Get Odin III using this link: solemntones.com?sca_ref=4535533.5L4zCCjosC Get Axure using this link (Use code MO24 for 10$ off): studysoundaudio.com?sca_ref=6617078.c0loS8i62g Hope you enjoyed the video! 🤘
Dude, with all sincerity, thank you for your content. It is criminally under-appreciated, but not for long. You’re providing valuable, comprehensive instructional content with the sole purpose of sharing knowledge/teaching rather than primarily shilling some various plug-in/sample pack. Thanks man.
As someone who loves metal and also doesn't have a guitar, I heavily appreciate the "Elitism In Metal" segment. It's really nice to not have massive roadblocks in making the music I love.
IMHO, that critique is applicable for people who program instruments and then expect others to believe they're actually playing. Charles Caswell from Berried Alive is a prime example of this. The guy is clearly a phenomenal guitarist, but he expects everyone to believe he can actually play everything he puts out. The solo to Pustules from Rings of Saturn is exemplary of this. That is not a humanly-possible solo to play that cleanly, that fast. And here is where there misconception happens that it's "elitism" to criticize that. The solo itself sounds super-cool, man. I don't care if it's programmed, personally! I dig a lot of his music, irrespective of what he can or cannot literally play. The difference is that, if it's programmed or recorded in segments or recorded at half-speed or whatever else so as to nail the lead, don't run around and say or suggest it's you actually playing that thing. I've tried numerous times through the years to pin him down on that specific solo as an example, but he's great at deflecting (i.e. he plays victim and acts like his videos of him playing OTHER highly technical things equates to him playing that solo; in other words, he wants us to believe he can play ALL technical things simply because he can play SOME technical things). Then his fans want to tell me I'm just jealous or whatever and the conversation devolves. Again, it's very clear that Charles is an excellent guitarist, but he's like Lance Armstrong: world-class, but still uses enhancements and expects people to believe he's not. Anyone who programs an instrument can clearly hear the trademark tells of it being used in music. For me, programmed instruments are no problem whatsoever. I fully agree that we should all use the tools available to us to get our creative ideas out and realized. I do play guitar, but while I'm travelling (happens a good bit for work), I love programming ideas while on a flight or in the hotel room. It's a gift that we live in a time where these tools are available to us. I just have absolutely no respect for people who use it to lie to others. On the other hand, I have mad respect for people like MO who are open and honest about it, especially in the face of people who do have some kind of problem with the tools themselves -- primarily when it comes to guitar. Like MO implied, it's an odd standard to apply while simultaneously being okay with drum programming, etc. Lol.
Honestly, you got me into Hydra and there’s no looking back. I can play the guitar, but recording it(especially for crazy low tunings) is a pain in the ass. Thank you
Awesome video, I use the Shreddage 3 Hydra for all my songs, I feel one should use every tool that is available to bring your creative ideas to life. Midi guitars are not perfect but I've tweaked mine to the point that it works for most sounds that I need and it makes the writing process a thousand times easier
I’d love it if you could do a video running through the different key switches on Odin3 and how you would go about using each when writing riffs. Great videos!!
Thank you so much for the great video. I was scratching my head to figure out how to get metal guitar sound as a keyboardist. You gave me all the answers. Thank you again.
I'm an electronic music producer who combines metal in my music, and I use exclusively MIDI guitars (also MIDI bass and MIDI drums). I prefer Ample Sound's Hellrazer (mainly because of the Riffer feature), and I use it with the 11 11 11 amp sim, which works surprisingly well in my opinion. Anyway, I wanted to say thank you for this amazing video. I will definitely watch this a couple more times, and I'm sure it will elevate my MIDI guitar programming.
I personally like to use the Hydra for lead and solo work, but either the Odin or Axe Machina for Rhythms, depending on the tuning I'm working in. I've noticed, at least for me, there is no one size fits all library, it seems like some sound better in some instances while the others sound better for others, so I often use multiple different libraries in the same production. :) Axure is one of the only ones I haven't tried, I might need to give it a download too as well! This video is incredible, for people new to this and those who have been doing it a while, you cover all the bases!
Love your videos man! Always excited to see a new one pop up on my feed. You should check out the Djaa Maasta from Otto Audio midi guitar plugin. It's sampled after a 30" Jazzmaster.
For anybody looking for free alternatives, there's this freebie guitar called metal GTX. It's a 7 string that goes to a low g iirc. Not fully sampled and it's really bright, but I'd argue it contends with Odin 2 in realism
I really enjoy your videos, always packed with valuable content and knowledge. Along with sick riffs and out of this world mixing techniques. This comparison between libraries was very instructive 👍🏼
I love Hydra but ultimately the phasing issues ruin it for me. Especially considering they have no fix for it. Or, won't patch it rather considering it being a huge issue for many people out there. I just got Odin 3 recently though and it's pretty gnarly. 🤘
Thank you SO MUCH for this review. You answered so many questions and really helped me make an informed decision on which library to buy first (I'm sure I'll get at least one more down the line...) I love your productions too! Instantly followed on Spotify!
With regards to usability for Shreddage 3 Hydra, it has improved a bit in Shreddage 3.5 (I can see you're still using the older version) in the sense that the settings are better organized and prioritized. Certainly it still has a lot of settings and can still be daunting, but there is now a clear hierarchy in the controls.
To me the composition is the most important thing. Technical ability is second. Idgaf if someone uses midi instruments. If the music is good that's what matters. I say this as a multi instrumentalist.
Wasn't Anup Sastry's earlier albums programmed guitars? It had a really unreal sound that was kind of the point of the compositions he was making. Really sounded unique
Great video... Very informative! Axure and Odin 3 are awesome for sure and they're very good for rhythm. However, I play virtual guitar for a long time now and what I'm sure is that it's possible to make quite realistic guitar solos with Shreddage's guitars. It has all the options to be very realistic and creative... Which one is the best? I want them all anyway haha.
@@MOMetalProductions if possible, try them. v metal has a rather old interface, it is difficult for beginners. heavier has a lot of settings from the inside.
One question, how would you get Odin 3 to do that overthetop pick attack like Hydra (I liked how aggressive it was in your Humanity's Last Breath video and your drum mixing video demo)? Their "pick attack" controls seem to sound different between the two, especially when maxed out.
I have! I don't think it's as beginner friendly as these others, hence why u didn't have it in this video. I am planning on featuring it in a future video 🙂
31:27 does it strum up or down differently if you have the alternate picking or down/up picking keyswitch selected? Woukd the auto strum always strum down if you had that specific keyswitch held?
totally agree with the elitism critique. If someone fakes playing midi stuff LIVE, sure, the complaint is legit. But the focus as a producer/writer should be on the final product. if it sounds good, that should be all that matters. gatekeepers are always gonna whine no matter what.
The elitism is so funny and I guarantee it all comes from guitarists. If the band can play it live who cares if the recording has programmed stuff on it I mean even Metallica's Black Album had drum triggers in it ffs and even Pantera's The Great Southern Trendkill's kit is nearly 100% sampled sounds instead of a recording lmaooo. Don't get me started on Dimmu Borgir and Bring Me The Horizon. I think guitarists are just buttmad they're starting to get replaceable, but as a guitarist of 20+ years myself I couldn't be happier cause fuck all the setup it takes to record a metal track that half the world just calls "noise" anyway. Big ups and huge thanks for the tutorial MO!
I would go further and say it doesn't even matter if it can be played live. If I'm listening to a record it's the composition and arrangement that matters.
@@rossbalch For the recording sure but if a band wants to tour or sell tickets for shows they've gotta be able to play what they produce lol I'm thinking more of a full-picture band lifestyle when I bring up live capabilities
Can understand why you are so focus on how far they go down tuning, I know its a gener but man not the most popular and “realistic” nicho for metal guitar. Test them on a more common tuning so we can differentiate, also in that down tuning even real guitars sounds very unrealistic and very poorly articulated
You will get great realism out of these pretty effortlessly up until E standard. From that and above it can sound realistic but may require some more tweaking 🙂
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Hope you enjoyed the video! 🤘
Odin III link seems to be not working...
Dude, with all sincerity, thank you for your content. It is criminally under-appreciated, but not for long. You’re providing valuable, comprehensive instructional content with the sole purpose of sharing knowledge/teaching rather than primarily shilling some various plug-in/sample pack. Thanks man.
Thank you ❤️
I echo the words of the friend above. Golden content here. Thank you very much for this!
As someone who loves metal and also doesn't have a guitar, I heavily appreciate the "Elitism In Metal" segment. It's really nice to not have massive roadblocks in making the music I love.
IMHO, that critique is applicable for people who program instruments and then expect others to believe they're actually playing. Charles Caswell from Berried Alive is a prime example of this. The guy is clearly a phenomenal guitarist, but he expects everyone to believe he can actually play everything he puts out. The solo to Pustules from Rings of Saturn is exemplary of this. That is not a humanly-possible solo to play that cleanly, that fast. And here is where there misconception happens that it's "elitism" to criticize that. The solo itself sounds super-cool, man. I don't care if it's programmed, personally! I dig a lot of his music, irrespective of what he can or cannot literally play.
The difference is that, if it's programmed or recorded in segments or recorded at half-speed or whatever else so as to nail the lead, don't run around and say or suggest it's you actually playing that thing. I've tried numerous times through the years to pin him down on that specific solo as an example, but he's great at deflecting (i.e. he plays victim and acts like his videos of him playing OTHER highly technical things equates to him playing that solo; in other words, he wants us to believe he can play ALL technical things simply because he can play SOME technical things). Then his fans want to tell me I'm just jealous or whatever and the conversation devolves. Again, it's very clear that Charles is an excellent guitarist, but he's like Lance Armstrong: world-class, but still uses enhancements and expects people to believe he's not.
Anyone who programs an instrument can clearly hear the trademark tells of it being used in music. For me, programmed instruments are no problem whatsoever. I fully agree that we should all use the tools available to us to get our creative ideas out and realized. I do play guitar, but while I'm travelling (happens a good bit for work), I love programming ideas while on a flight or in the hotel room. It's a gift that we live in a time where these tools are available to us. I just have absolutely no respect for people who use it to lie to others. On the other hand, I have mad respect for people like MO who are open and honest about it, especially in the face of people who do have some kind of problem with the tools themselves -- primarily when it comes to guitar. Like MO implied, it's an odd standard to apply while simultaneously being okay with drum programming, etc. Lol.
I see what you mean! Honesty is the best policy when it comes to these things, no doubt.
Honestly, you got me into Hydra and there’s no looking back. I can play the guitar, but recording it(especially for crazy low tunings) is a pain in the ass. Thank you
Awesome video, I use the Shreddage 3 Hydra for all my songs, I feel one should use every tool that is available to bring your creative ideas to life. Midi guitars are not perfect but I've tweaked mine to the point that it works for most sounds that I need and it makes the writing process a thousand times easier
Easily earned a sub, great content from a fellow drummer trying to write music and can't play guitar
I’d love it if you could do a video running through the different key switches on Odin3 and how you would go about using each when writing riffs. Great videos!!
I bougth Axure. This is f.... Awesome...great tool for songwriting and super fast to handle. Like that a lot.
Thank you for this in-depth video ! I'm excited for you to get to use the Odin 3.1 update :D
I lost use of my hands which stopped me playing guitar.
These instructional videos are an absolute godsend for me.
Great work thank you.
Me too man thank God for this I’ve been experimenting w midi guitars for years and this is awesome.
I'm so happy to hear that it's been helpful for you! Keep creating man! 🤘
Incredible information! Probably the best video for beginners to MIDI guitars.
Awesome video, Mo! Thanks for featuring Axure!
Thank you so much for the great video. I was scratching my head to figure out how to get metal guitar sound as a keyboardist. You gave me all the answers. Thank you again.
I'm an electronic music producer who combines metal in my music, and I use exclusively MIDI guitars (also MIDI bass and MIDI drums). I prefer Ample Sound's Hellrazer (mainly because of the Riffer feature), and I use it with the 11 11 11 amp sim, which works surprisingly well in my opinion. Anyway, I wanted to say thank you for this amazing video. I will definitely watch this a couple more times, and I'm sure it will elevate my MIDI guitar programming.
Heavy fam shout out😎👍
Sick video as usual Mo! Crazy to see how you manage to make MIDI guitars sound so insane!
I personally like to use the Hydra for lead and solo work, but either the Odin or Axe Machina for Rhythms, depending on the tuning I'm working in. I've noticed, at least for me, there is no one size fits all library, it seems like some sound better in some instances while the others sound better for others, so I often use multiple different libraries in the same production. :) Axure is one of the only ones I haven't tried, I might need to give it a download too as well! This video is incredible, for people new to this and those who have been doing it a while, you cover all the bases!
Hey Mo, thank you so much for the content you do! Please never stop
Love your videos man! Always excited to see a new one pop up on my feed. You should check out the Djaa Maasta from Otto Audio midi guitar plugin. It's sampled after a 30" Jazzmaster.
Yeah! The Djaa Maasta is a helluva MIDI guitar, it's not too comprehensive but it's got enough to go low.
For anybody looking for free alternatives, there's this freebie guitar called metal GTX. It's a 7 string that goes to a low g iirc. Not fully sampled and it's really bright, but I'd argue it contends with Odin 2 in realism
It's an 8 string that goes to low F#. It also has more articulations than axure (eg unison bends, fret mutes, brushes, trills etc).
I really enjoy your videos, always packed with valuable content and knowledge. Along with sick riffs and out of this world mixing techniques. This comparison between libraries was very instructive 👍🏼
your content is awesome man ... thank you ^^]
Oh, this is the mix from that one short you uploaded! Nice to see a breakdown of it.
Great video :-) easy to follow and nice to hear your views on the subjects at hand.
Keep going ^_^
I love Hydra but ultimately the phasing issues ruin it for me. Especially considering they have no fix for it. Or, won't patch it rather considering it being a huge issue for many people out there. I just got Odin 3 recently though and it's pretty gnarly. 🤘
Thank you SO MUCH for this review. You answered so many questions and really helped me make an informed decision on which library to buy first (I'm sure I'll get at least one more down the line...)
I love your productions too! Instantly followed on Spotify!
Great overview! Been waiting on this one!
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Thank you man I love your video/content
Amazing video🤘🎸thank you so so much
Best metal producer)
Just what I needed! Thanks, pal
Happy with your 3 picks of midi guitar, these are my top 3 aswell :)
I do however use Ample ahellrazer for pop punk chorus and odin2 for pick attack
With regards to usability for Shreddage 3 Hydra, it has improved a bit in Shreddage 3.5 (I can see you're still using the older version) in the sense that the settings are better organized and prioritized. Certainly it still has a lot of settings and can still be daunting, but there is now a clear hierarchy in the controls.
To me the composition is the most important thing. Technical ability is second. Idgaf if someone uses midi instruments. If the music is good that's what matters. I say this as a multi instrumentalist.
Wasn't Anup Sastry's earlier albums programmed guitars? It had a really unreal sound that was kind of the point of the compositions he was making. Really sounded unique
Fuck yeah, many thanks for sharing buddy!
Honestly I prefer the programmed guitars, and I've been playing the real one for over 20 years at this point. Great fucking video.
Great video... Very informative! Axure and Odin 3 are awesome for sure and they're very good for rhythm. However, I play virtual guitar for a long time now and what I'm sure is that it's possible to make quite realistic guitar solos with Shreddage's guitars. It has all the options to be very realistic and creative... Which one is the best? I want them all anyway haha.
For sure possible, just hard and time consuming 😉
Thanks! Will you create a video about the new Shreddage 3 Argent? Is it better than Axure?
Niceeee thank you
Thx so much!
We need some Midi Packs for these
Ever tried Ample Sound guitars?
the nolly of guitarrist's
Except I'm not a guitarist 😅 thanks though
@@MOMetalProductions But u have the soul
cool! very informative, thanks for the content! What do you think about prominy V metal and heavier 7 strings?
Haven't tried those yet 🙂
@@MOMetalProductions if possible, try them. v metal has a rather old interface, it is difficult for beginners. heavier has a lot of settings from the inside.
One question, how would you get Odin 3 to do that overthetop pick attack like Hydra (I liked how aggressive it was in your Humanity's Last Breath video and your drum mixing video demo)? Their "pick attack" controls seem to sound different between the two, especially when maxed out.
@MOMetalProductions - how have you set your keyswitches and articulations in cubase?
Have you tried Djaa Maasta yet?
I have! I don't think it's as beginner friendly as these others, hence why u didn't have it in this video. I am planning on featuring it in a future video 🙂
Is Odin the go-to now?
31:27 does it strum up or down differently if you have the alternate picking or down/up picking keyswitch selected? Woukd the auto strum always strum down if you had that specific keyswitch held?
I had the same thought, not sure 😵💫 I would still do the strum stagger manually to have control though
Nice advice. Do you have any assistance you can give without having to buy a guitar plugin???
There are free options available I'm sure 🙂
The hyrda has this is squeaky resonance that I can get along with. Not sure how you reduce those while keeping the aggression.
Try eq'ing before the amp like I did in the video. Removing the resonance you don't like on the DI can be a great strategy
totally agree with the elitism critique. If someone fakes playing midi stuff LIVE, sure, the complaint is legit. But the focus as a producer/writer should be on the final product. if it sounds good, that should be all that matters. gatekeepers are always gonna whine no matter what.
I think there is a way to cheat. With EQ match, you can roughly copy the guitar tone of the original song
The elitism is so funny and I guarantee it all comes from guitarists. If the band can play it live who cares if the recording has programmed stuff on it I mean even Metallica's Black Album had drum triggers in it ffs and even Pantera's The Great Southern Trendkill's kit is nearly 100% sampled sounds instead of a recording lmaooo. Don't get me started on Dimmu Borgir and Bring Me The Horizon. I think guitarists are just buttmad they're starting to get replaceable, but as a guitarist of 20+ years myself I couldn't be happier cause fuck all the setup it takes to record a metal track that half the world just calls "noise" anyway. Big ups and huge thanks for the tutorial MO!
I would go further and say it doesn't even matter if it can be played live. If I'm listening to a record it's the composition and arrangement that matters.
@@rossbalch For the recording sure but if a band wants to tour or sell tickets for shows they've gotta be able to play what they produce lol I'm thinking more of a full-picture band lifestyle when I bring up live capabilities
Now make a song with the free METAL-GTX by UNREAL INSTRUMENTS!!!
Can understand why you are so focus on how far they go down tuning, I know its a gener but man not the most popular and “realistic” nicho for metal guitar. Test them on a more common tuning so we can differentiate, also in that down tuning even real guitars sounds very unrealistic and very poorly articulated
You will get great realism out of these pretty effortlessly up until E standard. From that and above it can sound realistic but may require some more tweaking 🙂
I used MISSTIQ15 get 10% off of Odin3 .. thank you for such a great deep dive into this analysis and comparison !