Testing a $140 Chinese 8KW Diesel Heater
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- I have seen these Vevor diesel heaters all over the internet so I just had to get one and test it out. It works much better than I expected and I am dreaming up a few ideas to put it into action on the homestead. What do you think?
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We have a few of these, use them for preheating aircraft engines, just stick the hose end into the cowl and let it run.
They slso work great for preheating tractor engines as well in unheated sheds.
I have one in my garage- 20x24 garage and living up here in northern Canada where it gets to -40 it's handy. I can keep the garage above freezing with one. I ended up building an exhaust out of 1" copper that goes up and over the wall and out the eaves. I ended up putting a T right at the end of the flex exhaust hose and short piece of pipe to capture any condensation that may happen. I'm pretty happy with my setup for it. Don't have your exhaust running uphill or it will fill with condensation as I found out and then the thing will smoke out your building really bad.
Could the exhaust be lagged to prevent condensation?
Do u keep it on all the time or just when working out there
Above freezing that is still very cold! 8,000 BTU is not a big output of heat!
@@MissionaryForMexico8kW is equal to approx 27,300 btu/h
@@Jacklsovakia1 I thought it was 8,000 BTU. Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah that is a very efficient heat source,!
I don’t know what kind of diesel heater he has but I have an 8 kW diesel heater hooked up to a 6 gallon and when I run my diesel heater on full blast nonstop it takes seven days to go through 6 gallons of gas in my 30‘ x 15‘ camper trailer and when we have -30° weather in the winter time in the northern part of Wisconsin run on full blast in our houses basement so our pipes don’t freeze and it keeps it good 65° in our basement but when we heat our basement up 6 gallons of diesel fuel will only last 3 days on high
You can hook it up to the 12v output from a power supply out of an old desktop pc
The unit is designed to draw in outside air and heat it to prevent negative pressure that would draw in cold air into your shop from outside.
It is intended for the air intake to take in outside air. That way you prevent having to draw cold outside air into your heated room. So both the black intake hose and the exhaust go outside so the burning of the diesel and the exhaust it entails basically is in its own outside loop. The internal heat exchanger takes the produced heat and circulates it inside your heated area.
What I have seen some people do to increase the efficiency even further is route the exhaust through an old central heat radiator and then to the outside. That way a lot of the heat of the exhaust is also used.
In all these are primarily used in campers, rv's, boats. But I have also seen them used in houses as an alternative or even main heating source. Your battery setup would work for shorter periods. But I would combine one with a small/medium solar generator, combined with some solar panels. That way it would work even during an extended power outage. Lots of videos on the diesel use and energy use for the pump/display (battery capacity) on youtube to help calculate your needed storage of diesel for the max periods you expect to use one.
I was just going to mention something like this based on common sense. It would be nice to have some type of divider so the exhaust doesn't get drawn into intake. I like the idea of using the exhaust heat too. I will probably go with an inverter for my garage/shop so no 12v battery.
The intake hose is like a diesel engines intake valve. all the air the intake pipe takes in goes out the exhaust. For a more efficient burn you should suck in your warm (cab/room) air. Warmer air= warmer burn temps= hotter room temp with less burnt fuel. If it’s -10f your lowering your efficiency a lot drawing that cold of air into your combustion chamber vs the 65f room temp air.
The lock code is for advanced settings it doesn't lock anything else. You can adjust the fuel to air ratio the hertz of the fuel pump. The code is 1688 if you want to see the settings.
How many approximately hours will the unit run and capacity of tank? ty.
@@randywalker8960 Full of fuel mine ran 12+ hours. I used it to heat / warm the crawl space below my house. Outside temp over night was 25 F and the bathroom floor remained warm enough for bare feet. This is similar to a Webasto Diesel Heater we had in a motor home. During testing I ran it out of fuel. It shut itself down properly. I recommend.
@@PI4YOU Do these operate on different settings like high or low flow? I"m assuming 12 hours is the standard operating duration but will either go longe for shorter depending on the flow rate ?
@@MisterMister5893 There is an adjustment knob, I set it on hi.
I bought one 3 years ago and it has been great.
really? its lasted that long? have you made mods?
@@NirzyVids No mods. I mix in some kerosene on occasion. Nothing else.
@@reloadnorth7722 mixing sounds scary to me, thanks for the reply
@@reloadnorth7722 What does mixing kerosene do to the performance or general impact of using straight diesel?
These heaters are awesome! Heated a 35ft 5th wheel trailer all last winter. It ran 24/7 from october 17th until April 25th this year and i used 122 gallons of Red diesel. On the lowest setting on Alpine mode it would use 1qt for 8 hrs brilliant heaters, would highly recommend them. The Vevor unit is the best make that i have found👍
I have a qustion is the battery just for starting the motor or does it need it to stay running
@@lswanger22 the battery runs the fan and the igniter that ignites the diesel.
Would this work on the 5th wheel camper? I'm going to put skirting around it.
@@carloswheeldon2553you can run it all winter long without shutting it off? Doesn’t the battery drain? How do you keep the battery from draining .
@@POWWOWDUDE i have a battery charger connected to the main power supply110v alternatively i have a basic solar system that charges at about 75w. It works brilliant!
I bought one and put it on my covered back deck. I ran the hose through a 3” hole I cut in the back door. Works great on heating the entire downstairs. Curious to see how much I save on my gas bill.
I bought one a few years back for my 8x10 greenhouse and it works well during the early spring / late fall nights. I also purchased a length of fuel line and it draws directly from a 5 gallon can. The display brain box isn't the best so keep a spare.
See some with mechanical rotary knob
Keep a spare brain box? What the h are you talking about?
Thank you for the great video! I was contemplating buying one for emergency use . Looks like not a bad idea to have one.
Thanks. Lots of uses. You mentioned a sap shak. I did about 900 taps a long time ago but I made about 130 gallons of syrup and a bunch of candy. Hope you do too.
Perfect timing on this video! I've been hearing a lot about these heaters and I've been considering one for my camper. Thanks for the up close view of the set up and for testing it for us.
I ordered one to put in my van so I can sleep in the van when I'm on the road doing gigs. I will likely replace the propane furnace in my 1970s slide in. Furnace still works but draws too much power. I will use that on multi day gigs so I have plumbing, fridge and stove. The production trailer will get one to keep equipment warm on below zero days. And I will likely buy my dad a few for his trucks and his "house" .
It uses much less power than the RV furnace. Takes 10A to ignite, but at a sleeping fan speed it's about an amp... If you top off your battery during the day running your engine it'll be no problem on multi day use.
Too deadly bro, seen these randomly for a couple years on Amazon and such but just bought a small sailboat to accompany my campervan. Liked almost all of these comments but I’ll stop at yours being the one that hits home. Cheers
@@anomalous1353 what exactly is your point?
@@volvo09 now that I've used it, it uses very little power. 10 hours at 3.7 htz and I probably could have been warmer. Looking forward to insulating the van. Might buy one for every room of the house. Would cost less than 1 month of propane..
@@travishanson166 you already said it, the point being that you have shared the experience of which I was looking to find to backup the findings of the video. Cheers
Why not 3D print or build some kind of cover for the intake fan on the back that converts to a 3-4 inch tube and run that into the camper? That way, you are still circulating inside air even if the unit is on the outside.
they have been using these in simi trucks for many years as bunk heaters a lot of co. still use these now
Nice! This would be just the ticket to heat my goat barn. I will build an outside enclosure for it and duct the heat into the barn. The "barn" is a 12x16 wooden shed with OSB steel covered roof. Should keep the little girls ( dwarf Nigerian) toasty warm! Beats trying to use electric heaters! (Yes, my babies are spoiled 🤣)
I have 1 and I have a touring canvass tent Although it doesnt get as cold here in Australia we do get frost so cold enough .Ive used mine only problem is its noise when your camping with other campers .But it heats the tent up really well
I’m going to be very curious about the longevity of this type of unit. We truckers have similar units underneath our sleepers, drawing diesel directly from our main fuel tanks.
The units in our trucks cost thousands of dollars, and the only thing reliable about them is that they’re totally unreliable. I’m not sure what the problems with them are, but I’ve always suspected it was an issue with the digital thermostats.
Please keep us updated on yours, Todd. If it holds up, it would be something I’d consider getting for my truck.
They are good on fuel bc they get up to temp allowing the jet to stay clear and clean, on a truck it would bounce around and be cold so that could be the problem
@@patrickcurram9763 That’s a fair point; however, when the truck is being driven, we use the in-dash climate controls (most modern trucks with Sleepers have a separate control panel in the Sleeper which can also be overridden by the dash control panel). I can’t speak for other drivers, but I myself have never had an auxiliary heater unit in operation while the truck motor was running.
We have had one for nearly a year now and it was on 24.7 at one point for several months and is very good on fuel, we have ours outside the house and the hot air vent comes through our fireplace into the room. it has reduced our heating bill by over 60% this winter and paid for itself three times over..
Highly Recommend..
Is the same exact thing as in the trucks. Some of the accessories might be different. The expensive ones are German but Germans aren't known for quality plastics, fittings, tubes
Webasto. . .yeah those truck heaters are big $$$ but it seems the Chinese have copied them very well. At a little over $100 each, these are a cheap throwaway option.
I just had one of these installed in my Lobster boat. It doesnt draw a whole lot of power and it puts out a good amount of heat. Running wide open it only burns about 2 to 3 litres of fuel in a 16 hour day!
I have a plan for a large SUV where I want to take the front passenger seat out and cut a hole for the exhaust where the seat sat and route the exhaust out the hole. Obviously sealing up the hole after routing. It would be a nice camper suv.
it seemed like you could hear the diesel fuel pump clicking noise only immediately after starting it. after that it was quiet or at least manageable. thanks for sharing.
How long does the battery power last before you have to shut the heater off and recharge the battery
Anybody knows?
You would have to recharge it
@@mohammedsuhail3244 How long does a normal car battery last BEFORE recharging it..f example a 60 amp one
Considering using this for a small greenhouse to keep those overnight temps up.
Thanks for the review! I have been thinking about one of these. I hear that power stability is an issue. You would not want to run it off a 120v converter because if the power were to go out while it is running it could be very bad for the unit. It needs power during its shutdown sequence, and it must be shutdown properly. I would like to see how long you could run it off that battery or maybe off the 12v output of a solar generator.
Cant see what Amperage that battery is but dont look brilliant. If charged up and kept a charge would register 13.6V not 12.2V there.
With a high capacity 540 Ah battery it will poower it for just over 6 hours.
I have a similar one in my shed 10x10 FT. not insulated it will keep it warm enough to work in most cold winter days. Run exhaust out through smaller hole to not loose so much hear, door braced open is a lot of cold air.
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I installed a Chinese Diesel heater in my 6x12 cargo trailer conversion... I spent all my effort making sure I properly exhausted the unit through my 1 inch insulated wall using a thru-hull stainless outlet as well as using high-temp RTV around my exhaust hose with high quality hose clamps, and thought everything was great.. I now know that I need to also properly setup a thru-hull port for the combustion intake (away from the exhaust). These devices are primitive.. don't trust that the exhaust flow will happen in one direction with 100% certainty... and don't expect your Home Depot CO detector to save you either.. I've smelled the funky smell, and let it go... and it made me pretty sick.. Don't ignore it... do it right.
...also, if you drop the diesel pump frequency, the exhaust-to-intake leak is even worse... Treat the combustion intake just as important as the exhaust itself.
Somebody in the comments here.... said that the smaller intake hose should draw from the outside air..... keeps the combustion air as a "closed loop".
That makes sense to me..... think about it as a forced-air, natural-gas, central heating system that is plumbed into your house..... it draws its combustion air from outside, uses that air for combustion, and exhausts that same air outside. 👍👍👍
Yes, exactly. This avoids inducing a negative pressure in the heated space, which would simply draw in more cold outside air. “One hose” portable AC units suffer from the same issue; the new “two hose” models have solved it.
Just put one in my snowmobile trailer! Can’t wait to see how it does.
wonder how much battery power is used...a fully charged battery..how long would this heater last...?
tractor trailers at least the ones i have used have a diesel heater in the back , in the sleeper cab
They work very well just the fuel pumps are loud In them
Thanks for sharing. I’ve been looking at these for my truck camper
I want to try one in ice shanty. So I don't haft to carry wood out,and clean ashes that make a mess. Be easy with gear to bring a gallon of fuel. Than a sled full of wood.
This would be a good boat heater. In boats, diesel is preferred as compared to gas or propane due to fire. It is also lots cheaper than alcohol and kerosene.
Works amazing, believe it or not the safest mode of heat is still a wood stove! You just have to make a barrier between you and the stove while sleeping!
heating a garage for sure, I think an amazing use case for this would be the Cheap Geothermal systems that Simple Tek promotes which is a buried irrigation line or PEX and put it down in the Earth with a water air heat exchanger / radiator In summer you can pull cool Earth temps from 10 feet down. and during winter you mount a unit like this behind the box fan and heat exchanger, so now not only are you pulling warmer air up from underground in the winter but then you're also super charging it with additional diesel heat. If your water lines for your Geothermal system are in your floors, you will also be storing that heat energy into the Earth and floors. Lots of ways to do very efficient heating and cooling using a system like this or an AC to supplement simple Geothermal closed loop systems, and those systems are almost always in your favor 10-20 degree advantage in either winter or summer, then just add a tiny bit of AC or diesel heater now you could heat or cool anything. The other way to supercharge a Geothermal system like that is make a hole in the ground, line it with a tarp or get a cistern and drop your closed loop geo lines into a water bath buried underground. Youll be using and storing heating and cooling energy really efficiently in that system.
Sounds like trial and error to me but it seems like I have to do everything 3 times to get it right anyway 😅 thanks for the video & great comments as well.
I have 2 in my garage, looks just like this but eBay they are only $86 with 2 day free shipping
Yeah I live in Canada can't afford electric heater 220v , OK I'm sold thanks
When the heater is listed at 8kw, that is 27,300 btus. That is input bus, not output btus. A typical oil burner is around 80% efficient. So 27,300 btus × 80% is almost 22,000 btus.
If you have it outside, so your return air is much colder than inside, you are really killing your efficiency.
Should work in clsss8 over the road trucks pretty well
It looks like you had the green fuel line with that unit. Mine ran super rich and built up massive carbon quickly and thew a code. I replaced the green hose with the hard white plastic and has been running great since. Everyone knows the green fuel line sucks at this point so shame on Vevor for still using green fule hose.
i bya one as well are going to use it to heat up my gargae and if ther is loss of power to heat up the living space
i mounted mine on the rear bumper of my 28' travel trailer/camper and swapped the stock 1 gallon tank with a 5 gallon slim style military/jeep gas can so I'm not filling it every day/30 hours! by mounting it outside i don't have to smell the fuel.....i did extend the lcd control wire to mount the control unit to the inside through my tail light hole next to my window ac unit i mounted inside my camper.....if i could put pictures on here i would
So have you tried used motor oil or vegetable oil?
Same thing I'm wondering. The issue would be heating the fuel supply. You could fabricate a fuel supply that heats itself with the heater's own output, but if it's cycling on and off, that could be a problem.
The one ppl hook directly up to the fuel tank is either a Wabosto or similar one. They have those even for regular gas check out VanCity Vanlife
Zach from Joe and Zach survival put out a video over a month ago on how he is heating his shop / 2 car garage with one of these Chinese Diesel Heater. he also has a Q&A video on it that he gives cost to run amount of heat it puts out and other pros and cons after having it installed in the shop.
I love mine!! but I don't believe it's 27k but Max 15k btu
I think this is very good
This is very good for semi truck
Interesting ideas. How long can you run these for before you need to turn them off. Can it be kept going all day? Also I like the idea of drilling a hole in the wall for the exhaust forums. What would you need to put around the pipe in the wall so that the inside of the wall does not catch on fire?
Get an insulated exhaust pass through for a pellet heater for the wall
Howdy diesel heater community. My unit is running a bit sluggish. I poured lots of different types of things in it to see what it actually can run on but i guess the worst thing a ran in it was synthetic motor oil. Anyway it runs a bit sluggish now and i was just wondering what will happen if i spray some starting fluid in the intake tube while it is firing up ?
No ticking on This one? Interesting..
Think one of these would work to heat a greenhouse here in Michigan when its below freezing? Im considering this or maybe some kind of 55 gallon drum woodstove.
It might but it depends on how well your greenhouse is insulated
Did you noticed that the clicking sound from the pump ever turned off? To this point. Mine has been clicking since I got it and just wondering if that ever shuts off at any point?
If you use kerosene the heater will last longer, it'll burn more clean
got the Vevor heater without a case mounted outside my cabin. Got some issues with starting it after having it sit there for three months. I guess this is normal? seems like the diesel is clogging or something.
DOES IT WORK? ? ? Did it put any heat? You never said if there is any heat coming out.
Understand these heaters are 70% efficient at best. 18,000 max.
Nice review, i have got a question for you, did it smell like burning plastic or rubber? Thanks
Hi! Very nice video 😊
how long does it take to empty the tank?
Looks pretty flimsy. Might be ok in a static position but dont think it will last long on the move.
Hi there, thanks for some good clarification. Would like to know how it's going after some use. I'm really puzzled how they show this sitting in a car. Who in the world would cut holes in a car for the exhaust? Dumb. Does it smell of diesel inside? Thanks
No smell of diesel , I saw that picture too lol. It is designed as a bus heater or adventure van type heater
Attention!!! These exhausts will burn a hole through wood or anything not fire proof below it! Be careful and add some fireproofing beneath it. Don’t ask me why I know this! 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah boy!
how about using bio diesel? like sunflower oil?
You need to meet Meredith at 6:00
This was a good layman review.
I saw that the fuel line is very close to the exhaust and UNSHEILDED ...
IMPROVEMENT REQUIRED HERE
Does it have a thermostat start which is auto on/off?
I'm looking to try this in my 1 1/2 garage, does it heat this space kinda warm? G-d bless.
id be interested on burn time for a gallon of fuel and this could run on used moter oil . great vid , thanks
There are numerous videos on UA-cam covering your questions
Mix used motor oil and diesel !
They clog up on oil they run best on kerosene diesel mix
@@s.a.t419 even if you mix it 50/50
If you know the capacity of that tank (Its more than 1gallon 4.5ltrs) it will last on 3 setting 14 1/4 hours thats it. No where near what people think.
Bayer Shoals
I got one 8kw 2 years ago. Dang thing didnt work right from the start. Wouldn't burn right, wouldnt start. Id have to put either in fuel line and run it before it would start. Have to chole the air inlet to make it fire. I uad to set starting hz at .8 and 1650 rpm to get it to start with out 4 attempts.. But it just wouldn't burn right no matter what settings, lots of popping.. It didn't matter if i ran Diesel or heating oil. Tons of info on settings for the 2&5 kw heaters but almost nothing on the 8 kw heaters.
At about 2.8-30 hz i ran for like 8 hrs and had fuel left
What are the battery requirements? Can I use a small motorcycle battery?
Yes
Are you sure it is meant to be run inside of a enclosed space? I would strongly advise anyone against running a gas or diesel engine inside a enclosed space. Just too many safety risks. I would run the vent air intake (if needed) and heat vent inside and leave unit outside. Other than that seems like a good heating option. I have been curious about those.
It's not an engine it's a heater. Do you not have a furnace in your house ? these are designed to be used inside not outside
Originally designed for truck sleeper
does it run on veg oil???
Where do you buy it from?
is the unit not suppose to be outside blowing clean air in?
How long will a gallon of diesel last
Is there something like a battery charger I can put on the battery while the heater is running to help the battery due to the large draw of power ? Thank you for your time.
I did this video that might give you some ideas - ua-cam.com/video/nx3Tnw4qV28/v-deo.html
Thank you for your help.
We always have ours on a battery charger so that if there is a power cut the heater can either close down properly or it will still warm the house without using mains electric, they are brilliant and I suppose ideal for preppers..
@@SSLFamilyDad Thank you. Norman.
Hello Dad. If I try to use this in a shed with a 220 volt extension lead, Please tell me what I will need to make 12 volts of power? Thank you.
A battery and a battery charger, or you can buy 12 v power supplies on Amazon
Thank you) @@SSLFamilyDad
They're good depends what you want it for, it's not 8kw as they don't make them, 5kw seems to be the largest but myself along with others have found these portable units are 2 or 3 kw's. I've picked up 2 1 portable and 1 had to setup and both are the 2 or 3 kw units even though sold as a 8kw. I use the portable for my ice fishing tent and the 2nd is setup on a power inverter 110 to 12v to heat my porch. Have a couple videos on them on my page also but there are some folks who have gone into great detail about these and the different ACTUAL sizes
They make 8k ones..
@n1ksf have you seen the a 8kw one in person and compare it to a 3kw housing version or going by what vevor and other Chinese retailers sell them as ?
@ChippyOutdoors well if a 3k or 5k can heat a 30 x 36 garage, God Bless them. I'm going by its ability to warm nicely, an over 1,000sq ft uninsulated metal building here in northern New England. A 3k or 5k wouldn't do it. I bought an 8k and I strongly believe it's an 8k for reason above.
@n1ksf there was a couple over seas from me channels that had larger and regular sized housing Heaters which would make sense for a 2 or 3 kw heater for the 5kw maybe doable with simply tweaking the controller but a 8 kw would be virtually impossible without a larger housing to absorb and transfer the extra heat needed to make a 8kw of out put. There's a fellow in Ireland more specifically that tested all this "sales gimic" but he also had a larger housing for 5 or 8kw rating as well. Broke it down very well, but folks like my self though they were buying a 8 kw version 100% would have been ripped off by false advertising, but on the flip side I don't have any complaints about the diesel heaters I have except for the false pretense on kw rating claiming a larger kilo watt heater when someone isn't actually receiving one
@ChippyOutdoors obviously there's no way to calculate the btu's from these, but for the price and what it does, I'm content..Not saying you're wrong with the btu's..
Vevor have near enough no customer support but saying that most Chinese heather's will be the same remember.if you purchase a vevor heather they are 12v not like the others available so can't be reconfigured to run on 24v as most are otherwise they work much the same
I just installed one of these that is the same brand as this vid. Its working well, but the heated air has a plastic or strange chemical smell. I have it running outside now in the hopes the smell will be burned off. Has anyone else had this problem. It gagged me out of my house (400sf tiny house) last night. I feel sick if I smell that smell now. Yuk!
It smelled for the first hour of run but it went away after a while
I did have same smell, its the rubber gasket under the burner, easy to take away and no smell anymore. Smell wont go away by burning more... i tried it. Take the rubber out.
@@solopomodoro5853 Thank You! I will. Now that you mention its from rubber, the smell does remind me of burning rubber, or rubber like plastic. I was trying to remember when I had smelled something like that and couldn't place it.
Do they throw off a new smell for a couple of days
Delaney Forges
I'm sorry... great video. However you can't really analyse its efficiency with exhaust out open window. But your general set up is a good help. Thanks dude
Is it possible to plug into a regular outlet in a shed to power it?
you would need a 12v inverter or i guess a 12v
battery charger would work
I would have thought you would need a power inverter to use this heater but I guess it was wrong.
Kas atsitiktų jei veikimo metu dingtų elektra?
Any idea how long a tank lasts? And would a 120ac to 12vdc voltage converter power it?
Not sure on how long it lasts at full force. An ac to dc power adapter would work
Super resistente a bajas temperaturas
The heaters are made in Poland
Bahringer Fields
I tried my best to read all the comments but still have a question. Im planning to use this heater in a bus instead of my very expensive to run electric heater but I do get power outages from time to time. Last winter we had a power outage that lasted 5 days and it was at least -19 outside. Just wondering how many amps this heater uses so I can calculate amp hours for a battery bank. And no, unfortunately I do not have any solar panels. If worse came to worse I would be using my truck via jumper cables to maintain the battery that runs the heater. I know...ugg! But it has to be better than spending 100 dollars a month on an electric heater that on the cold days only gets the bus up to just above freezing inside. Depending on the responses I get I would like to maintain the battery for the heater with a 12v trickle charger. Or maybe just scrap the whole idea but I truly hope not. I have looked into the cubics cub and grizzly wood stoves. They look great, but are wildly expensive and I can not get up every hour to put wood in the fire. My house that is literally 30 feet away, that was condemned 2 years ago has a beautiful wood stove in it but is way way too big for my current "house"! I could fill the stove and it never got below 50 degrees (f) after say 9 hours but I did use between 5 and 7 cord of wood each year. Ponderosa pine in the black hills of South Dakota is basically free if you have a chain saw. Just trying to get the best of both on and off grid worlds at the same time I guess. Any input would be greatly appreciated. :) :)
Why are they always out of stock?!?
How do I connect the wiring to my Jackery?
This connector should work amzn.to/48ySzqV for the jackery
i have one of these with the same silver control and i can not get the pump to turn on and prime does anyone know what buttons to get it to prime