Ranking the Hornady Cartridges: Worst to Best
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2022
- In this video I look at all of the Hornady/Ruger cartridges and rank them from worst to best. Let me know if you agree or disagree on how I rank them. Hope you enjoy the video! Just a clarification there are 12 Hornady cartridges and I only talked about 11. I forgot that Hornady made the 30 TC... Sorry for excluding it. I also didn't include the rimfire cartridges.
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I agree, I think the timing of the 6.5 creedmoor release with affordable range finders becoming more attainable had a huge influence on longe range shooting. I have always liked the cartridge, but wished it had a little more speed. Enter the 6.5 PRC. We are living in good times when there is a factory cartridge for just about every bullet/velocity combo you want.
Just bought a .375 Ruger. The point of the .375 Ruger is to get .375 H&H performance from a shorter action and hence a less expensive rifle, because it will fit in standard length magazines and action while still using the same bolt face as a .375 H&H. How does it do this? They steepened the shoulder so it can be headspaced off of the shoulder. Now there is no need for a belt. Meaning the cartridge can have a greater diameter, and still use the bolt face from the .375 H&H which a lot of tooling already exists for again making it more affordable to manufacture a rifle in. It might not be very popular, but from a dollar to performance standpoint it is remarkable.
It is a good cartridge
I’m not a fan of the 65 Creedmoor either. But you cannot deny what it has done for cartridges in general.
Yep
Pretty good analysis. Ranking worst to best. Only 1 exception as I would have modified cartridges that are specific to their intended platform and primary usage. The 6mm ARC will become the next most popular cartridge as soon as production catches up with demand. It is a versatile, accurate and multipurpose round. (hunting, target shooting, competition, tactical and good for all ages to shoot). I would venture to say that it already has caught up with the 6.5 Grendel in the MSR platform in popularity and many traditional Bolt action (20"-24") will catch up in production and sales. Federal, Sierra, Remington will soon start to catch on and produce factory ammo and cases.
Also the 204 Ruger is based upon the 222Rem Mag case.
The 6’s in general are intriguing. If the 6 creedmoor were more available, I’d have one instead of a 6.5 creedmoor. 338 and 300 RCM should be more popular.
I am not a long range shooter. I strictly use my rifles for hunting. And i don’t reload. When the whole 6.5 creedmoor craze started, i got one. It is very accurate with many factory ammo but i quickly realized that it was “anemic” as you stated. Fortunately, i love to take kids hunting and it is perfect for this. And that’s all i use it for now. So I decided to upgrade and get a 6.5 PRC. Many places had nice rifles in that caliber up here in Canada but none of them had ammo. So I left the store with a 270 instead. For hunting under 400 yds, it is pretty much identical to the 6.5 prc. And everyone has 270 ammo. Maybe once ammo manufacturers get their act together I’ll consider it, but for now I won’t get a prc.
I also have a 270 Win! It's a proven success
I have the .300 rcm guide gun and had considered the .338 rcm they both are great. I love having the odd cartridge In the woods. The rifle is not all that common either and I am likely the only one carrying it. Thanks for the videos!!!
Pretty sweet to have a cartridge almost no one else has
I wouldn't trade my 338 rcm for every round you listed and the reason the rcm did not make it because the 300 wsm and the 325wsm had already gained traction by the time these released but the 300 rcm was between 30-06 and 300wsm performance but the 338rcm was between 325 wsm and 338 win mag which made more Sense than the 300rcm and without the 300rcm the 6.5 PRC would not exist because it's the same case with shoulder bumped back and shorter oal
338 RCM released in 2008. That’s why it failed.
It’s hard to buy an new gun and cartridge when you’re worried about losing your job and your house.
There were a number of good cartridges released around that time that haven’t done great or are just now, about 15 years later really starting to get going because they released during economic turmoil. 327 federal is a good handgun cartridge that struggled to the point of nearly not existing for a while but is catching some steam with Ruger still producing a good number of guns and Henry jumping on as well
A lot of the Hornady/Ruger cartridges released in 2008. 375 Ruger, 300 RCM, 338 RCM, 6.5 Creedmoor... it would explain a slow start. I just don't think the 338 RCM and 300 RCM will ever become popular
@@ReloadingWeatherby the RCM’s are basically dead, which I think is a shame because while they didn’t reinvent the wheel they did provide good performance in a shorter, more nimble package. Like you pointed out, 300 RCM with a 20inch barrel, short action rifle is on par or better than 30-06 out of a 24 inch barrel with a longer action. You can suppress the RCM and still have a gun with the same OAL as a normal 30-06.
@@danielboggan2479 the 338rcm was more relevant to develop in my book because it sit between a 325wsm and 338wm on performance and was in a compact rifle that delivered surprising decent accuracy
Great video very interesting! Parent case of the 204 Ruger is the 222 Remington “Magnum.” I think your list makes since based on your parameters. 👍🏻
I didn't realize there were two 222 Remington... I meant the 222 Rem mag
Great job RW, Merry Christmas 🎅 and have a Hornady New Year ✌
Have a Merry Christmas!
Another great video! Merry Christmas!
Thanks Tom!
Could you at least have a reason for not liking the Ruger 338 Compact Magnum other than never hearing of it before?
Almost 60 replies!!
You struck a nerve!! 😂😂❤❤
Merry Christmas man
I agree with almost everything. 6 arc is a lot more popular than you think. Not with the average Joe who doesn't reload or shoot a lot. But lots of people in the long range prs stuff are switching to it cause it gets almost 6mm creedmoor performance but with way less recoil so you can spot misses easier. So if you looked at numbers on brass sold or converted to 6mm arc you would be surprised. This year I shot 7 000+ loaded rounds of just 6 arc. That's more than most people shoot in a lifetime. Competition shooters make up the majority of most of the market. Check out the 6 prc primal by primal rights. They are claiming they are getting a ridiculous amount of life on the brass.
375 ruger is a great round. 100 feet per second faster than the H&H, in a shorter, standard action with a shorter barrel. Hell of a round. Really accurate too.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Enjoyed your thoughts on this. Good job
Thanks for watching!
I have the 6ARC in both a bolt gun and a gas gun. It is fantastic in my budget target rifle setup (Cheap Savage in a Chassis). The gun is so accurate I don't fire my 6CM anymore. I have not found it hard to find in the stores. The issue is they have not sold brass to the market since the pandemic forcing people to convert 6.5G to 6ARC. Your ranking is about right. I would have the 300PRC lower. 7PRC will be a big seller if they make ammo.
Would you put 6mm ARC top 5?
I expected to have seen the 6ARC named myself.
The hype when released was quite excessive.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I love it and think it's probably the best you can do with the AR15 platform. I would have placed it 5th. If the pandemic and war had not hit when they did, I think they could have really had a winner. It's not dead and very popular with people who want shoot their ARs accurately at long range.
That is why I am skeptical that they will make enough 7PRC anytime soon to unseat the 7Rem Mag. The key will be getting other ammo makers to start supplying ammo for it quickly.
Great video. Don’t change your format it’s perfect. Just straight forward. I think your ranking is just fine. I agree that the 6.5 Creedmoor has to be number one because of how it took things a new direction. I also think the Creedmoor pushed up the expectations People have for already existing cartridges
Thanks for watching!
The rcm cartridges, I believe failed from lack of marketing. Nobody really even knew they existed but they seem to have good performance. If they would have released those in todays market with a saami faster twist they probably would have done pretty well. It’s too late now because the have the 300prc and they would compete with each other and the prc already has a decent foothold. Not gonna lie, I kinda want a .30 rcm after doing some research on it. I’m a sucker for oddball cartridges
Good discussion. I’d probably move the 6 creed up above the 300 and 7 prcs (for now), but I think your take is reasonable and defensible.
Thanks for watching!
Your right. Everybody has a Creedmoor. It is a very trendy caliber. They hear low recoil hunting round, and people jump on it. I'll stick to my .264 Win Mag, or my .300 Weatherby you know its real when you feel your kill!. Thank you for this post. It was almost what I wouldve picked. I wouldve put the .350 legend in there. Have a Merry Christmas brother!
Thanks for watching David! 6.5 Creedmoor is not for me.... Hope you have a Merry Christmas!
264 win mag is still a monster in the 6.5 world
@@Smokincreekadventures I love my .264 Win Mag. Nice control feed!
@@DavidGomezRgr3_75 the control round feed can’t be beat
Great video. The 30 TC was a Hornady cartridge. On its own, it ranks dead last. It's only redeeming quality, it is the parent for the 6.5CM.
Stupid Hornady.... just name your dumb cartridges Hornady so my lazy butt doesn't forget to include it
🎄🎄 Evening RW. Just wanted to wish you and your loved once Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year to come. Take care.
Thank you! Merry Christmas!
Looks like my suggestion turned into a video nice. What about the 17 hmr or does it not count due to being a rimfire?
I forgot...
Well done, everybody is entitled to their opinion, I have a few 6.5 creeds and have no interest at all in the cartridge. I still believe its 90 percent hype. I am stuck on velocity and energy and high bc I struggle with. The 6.5 PRC however I do consider and know what an accurate cartridge this is, so then we have the 264 and the 6.5 x 300 and they're the prc sits. Its all a whole lot of fun, Regards
Thanks for watching Rocky!
One of my favorites that didn’t make it was the 450 Marlin. I keep looking for ammo, but haven’t had much luck.
I though you would have put the 375 Ruger closer to the tops spot. I don't own one... Yet but this caliber is very interesting to me.
Maybe not "worst" but least successful commercially. They are all excellent cartridges and it's a shame that such well thought designs did not catch on. The "best" is the 375RCM because it pioneered design elements that were used in the PRC and Creedmoor line and also lead to the development of the superformance ammo.
Thanks for sharing
While I agree with your list I also do not have a 6.5 credmore and never will.
Same haha
6mm Creedmoor is dominating long range precision matches. It is preferred over the 6.5 Creed by many people. Once more people realize they can buy/build an upper for their existing AR and the ammo situation moderates, 6ARC will take off. 6ARC is perfect for coyote hunting. The reason I bought a 6.5PRC is the ballistics of the 150gr+ Berger offerings. The ballistic coefficient is around .80 in one bullet.
It's a great long range target cartridge. I don't think it's caught on with the hunting world
@@ReloadingWeatherby Agreed. At typical hunting ranges, 6CM has no advantage over 243.
I’m a big 300prc fan and I’d argue that it hangs with the 300weatherby in velocity with the heavier bullets. Most people take away the design of the 300prc it doesn’t shine until you start shooting 215 or heavier.
It's a good one
@@ReloadingWeatherby I’ve found it to be a great magnum a good mix between performance without losing to much efficiency. I’m currently getting 225 eld-x bullets around 2920fps with Rl-25
Just curious, since you mentioned that you get the higher velocity from the 6 mm Creedmoor instead of the 65 Creedmoor why is that?
You shoot a lighter bullet with the same b.c. You can shoot a 115gr in 6mm at 2950 FPS and it has the same b.c. as a 140 gr in 6.5 going 2700 FPS
@@ReloadingWeatherby thanks
Compact Magnums should've been made as shorter fatter alternatives to 308 family, able to be cycled in AR-10 action with heavy bullets. That would've distinguished them from WSM and RSAUM. Perhaps with a custom magazine flaring to full double stack width outside the magazine well.
I came here just to see where the .300 and .338 RCM ended up…at the end of the list
They are kind of dead cartridges
Someine may have already commented, but Hornadys best cartridge in my opinion has to be the 17 HMR. That thing absolutely took off and put Hornady on the map. Without the HMR who knows what Hornady wouldve looked like.
Thanks for commenting
I have two 6.5 Creedmo's in my firearms collection. One a Weatherby Vanguard, the other a Ruger Precision Rifle. Wanted to see what all the hubbub was about.
Both are fine rifles. However, I have better cartridge choices out West for mule deer, pronghorn, and elk, as well as for Midwestern whitetails. Shot some woodchuck and hogs with 'em out to distance in Texas and Michigan. They wound up just as dead, as the buck I shot last month with my '06, so I got no beef with the Creedmo'.
It ain't all that though, and in my opinion, I can just do better when I want or need to. Got a 300 PRC awaiting FFL transfer. Bullet of choice for that will be 212 grains in assorted flavors. Was looking at the 6.8 Western, but for now the 300 has my full attetion. Gonna have to kick one of the Creedmo's outta the safe, stand it in a corner somewhere to make room.
338rcm is a dream cartridge. Damn shame theres nothing chambered in it
Thanks for watching!
The 6 arc is great on paper but I actually regret making an ar in it. It’s a pain in the butt to neck down all the brass and I’ve had cycling issues even with a adjustable gas block. It’s just way more sensitive than 6.5 Grendel.
Interesting... thanks for sharing
I love my 6mm Creedmoor. I think it's an awesome 200 yard, and closer, whitetail cartridge...especially for a youth hunter. But my eyes are kinda zeroing in on a 6.5 PRC
6mm Creedmoor is a good one! Thanks for watching!
I would like to ad one wildcard.
That like the 204 ruger it has made its own class.
It is:
flat shooting.
cheap.
popular.
And unaffected from primer shortage. 😉
The 17 HMR.
And it the absolute cutest of them all.
I might have missed if the list would include rimfires.
But i would put it at nr 2.
Cheers from Sweden
My best friend has a 375 Ruger. How dare you. Disliked, unsubscribed, reported for terrorism.
In all seriousness, I rolled my eyes when he was bragging it up. I enjoyed your review and your videos.
375 River? Or 375 Ruger?
RW, you know I enjoy your videos, but this one you messed up badly. Hands down the best cartridge Hornady has ever invented is the 17 HMR. A little rifle with a big sound. Actually it set the table for interest in the 17's, both rimfire and centerfire. Even got a few of those old mod. 700 in 17 Remington dusted off.
All the best.
Cheers, Jeff
17 hmr my favorite!
I forgot to do the rimfire cartridges....
The ammo makers decide whether it's a lead Ballon or not surprise 😊?
I really want a 7 mm Grendel or something like that
Side note if you put a fast twist barrel on a 260 Remington same gun different case is all equals 6.5 creedmoor ballistics
A lot of the 260 Remington rifles now come with a 1in8 twist
@@ReloadingWeatherby yeah reason 26 never took off until later years I believe after Remington released it two guys were sueing each other over who actually designed it
Had to sell my 270AI. Next rifle build is going to be 7PRC, 300 wm, 7rem mag, 300 PRC, or 280AI. Or 338 rem Mag or 340 weather y
Why did you sell it?
Don’t forget the 17 HMR! Hornady killed the rim fire market with it
Ruger is stupid.
The .300 RCM and .338 RCM should be offered in an AR 10 style Ruger rifle.
I think that it would gain a lot popularity there since it's a short action
17 hornet is my favorite cartridge hornady makes it might not be the most practical but its cheap to reload has no recoil and is a tack driver
I forgot to put it on the list....
Well it is a P.O Ackley afterall
@WayStedYou technically hornady hornet is slightly different but yes PO Ackley was the original 17 hornet
@@corydavis3258 we might see a .17 Creed before too long
What about 22 ARC and 22 Creedmoor and 30 TC? Without 30 TC, there would be no 6.5 Creedmoor.
22 ARC and 22 Creedmoor hadn't come out yet when I made this video
204 ruger parent case is the 222 mag, not the 222. Keep up the good work!!
Meant to say the Rem mag
I think that the 6mm ARC is going to get hot in the next 5 years.
I think you're right. And it seems I was wrong about it being difficult to find ammo.
Forgot the 480 ruger. 😃
I know what I think the best one is for me so curious to see what u say 👍🏻
My list is going to be different than you think
@@ReloadingWeatherby excited to see what you have to say. One of very few reliable cartridge info sources.
lol nope ur list went how I thought lol 😂 I definitely would change a few. But good job
@@ReloadingQuest You thought I would put the 6.5 Creed number 1?
@@ReloadingWeatherby yep because of the sales and popularity. I do think that the 6 mm arc needs to be top 5 or 3. It’s a beast in a AR platform and ones other ppl start making ammunition for it going yo be way more popular than 6.5 Grendel. It’s a great round. Probably my new favorite target round. But I like my AR15 👍🏻 and the 6mm creedmoor is taking off and replaceimg the 6.5 creedmoor more in the prs seen
Supper performance is miss used they are designed for shorter barrels Gmax bullets are ok Cmax bullets supposed to be good but you can never find them
The 6.5 Creed never impressed me, chose 6mm Creed instead.
I was absolutely positive #1 would be the 338 Marlin Express
Haha
Hey just a correction the 204 is based on the 222 remington magnum not the 222 remington
Yep... my mistake
@ReloadingWeatherby yea the 222 remington brass will be too short as well as 223 and 556 brass only 222 rem mag and 204 brass will reach the full length.
I know because i waited 2 yrs for brass
6,5 need more s weeeek a downward sisy spiril
Why not include the little rimfires in the list
I forgot... sorry
I wish the 30TC took off...
Cool cartridge that didn't make it
204 222rem mag case
Yep
🤠 So, are there any of these cartridges that you actually see yourself ever buying a rifle chambered in them? 🕵️♂️
Take a wild guess
The 416 Ruger? 😂
@@ronlowney4700 I was going to say none of them....
😳 That was going to be my second guess! 🤭
🤠 Yes! I still have a place I'm my heart for "Big Stump Thumpers", so the 375 Ruger in a Sako (Mabey in their Brown Bear Series, or something even Bigger) would be great for an Alaskan Moose hunt, where BIG Grizzlies are present! The 204 Ruger would be a fine Varment cartridge and for plinking! How About you Jess? What is next on your list? 🤔
😎👍👍👍😎
Thanks Mike!
I have the 375 and 416 both are as good as the HH and Rigby. They are not backed properly, Hornady and Ruger just let cartridges die.
It's a cool concept
Ruger and Hornady don't back the RCMs
6.5 is a great target round... Folks need to stop hunting with it tho.
I agree
I’m surprised the 30 tc wasn’t in the list
I don't think it's a Hornady cartridge?
@@ReloadingWeatherby it was. It’s also the parent case to the 6.5 creed.
@@wyattgraham5711 I just looked it up... another dead Hornady cartridge. I knew it was the parent case of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Hornady just needs to name a cartridge after their name
@@ReloadingWeatherby Forgot the rimfires as well. 17HMR and 17 Mach2
@@ACantu-bl4sw sigh.... dangit
Grizzly to another Grizzly, " Look another one with a 6.5 Creedmore." The other Grizzly, " Lunch? "
I’ll take a creedmore against a grizzly and you take on a bear with a 22 caliber and we’ll see when is lunch
I believe the 204 Ruger was formed from the now obsolete 222 Remington Magnum rather than the 222 Remington.
I meant to say 222 Rem mag
@@ReloadingWeatherby Now I feel badly . . .
@@markcarew6724 I said it wrong, it's all good