Band Toe for Cuff Down Socks // Technique Tuesday
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Demonstration of a cuff down Band Toe, using the 4-3-2-1 shaping rate. Toe length calculation, options for closing the toe, and alternative shaping rates discussed.
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addi has a resource for the band toe ("Roundet" toe) shaping rates, if you are using fewer stitches or a different yarn weight. Note that the instructions for how to execute a round of decreases are not correct. They seem to be for the "propeller" toe (aka spiral toe) which is mentioned at the top of the page. addi.de/en/story/ribbon-lace-...
My written tutorial on custom fit cuff down socks: www.ravelry.com/patterns/libr...
Playlist of sock toe videos: • Sock Toes
Needles used in video demonstration: Chiaogoo Red Lace Interchangeable Needles, US size 1/2.25mm, 32'' length
Yarn used in video demonstration: leftovers from my stash (no idea what it is)
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0:00 Introduction
1:06 Band Toe Set Up
4:17 4-3-2-1 Toe Shaping
7:23 Options for finishing
11:54 Toe Length Calculations
14:02 Alternate Shaping Rates - Навчання та стиль
Thank you for teaching us a new technique so clearly! I'm glad to learn and understand a new toe construction for all the cuff down socks I knit and tech edit. Thanks again!
Just now found you! I see I have to go back at least six years to catch up to more current videos. I better get started!! Looking forward to learning a whole lot!!
Thank you for the tip about the relationship between the direction of the needle tip and the direction of the decrease lean.
You always teach something that causes me to look at the process more deeply. Thanks! 🌼
I love watching your videos and especially the Technique Tuesday ones. You are so talented!
Hi Roxanne, I absolutely LOVE this channel! I picked up knitting needles about a year ago after setting them down for 40 years! So much to learn again!!
Of all the channels I’ve come across I find yours to be the absolute best for me. Unfortunately, much of it is too advanced for me but hoping to get the experience soon.
Having said that, have you ever considered a knitting a sweater class tutorial for advanced beginners?? I’d really like to learn and want to learn the correct way.
Thank you for another amazing video! I'm pretty new to sock knitting but I did knit 8 pairs in two months last year for Christmas gifts 😂
Wow. Looks like a great finish for a slippersock or something that will be seen. Very pretty. Thnx.
Ha! I just noticed that, because I’m a combination knitter, my k2tog is your ssk and vice-versa! I always thought the patterns were wrong, without thinking too much about it. You’re always teaching me something! Love your work! Thank you Roxanne!❤
I really enjoy your technique Tuesdays. You nearly always get me to see things from a different perspective. I have a very square foot and for years have struggled with the ‘pointy toe’ finishes of sock patterns. After all this time you have made me realise I can end my socks as I want! Thankyou😀
Thanks Roxanne!
Indeed, a combination of the wedge toe and the band toe is worth a try. ❤❤❤
I was just looking at a sock I knit this past summer and realized it had a band toe that started out with decreases every 3rd round 3x, every other round 5 x, and then every round 6x, ending by fastening off. It fits my foot just as well as a std wedge toe or a (long) round toe.
Thanks Roxanne. I’ve just finished my very first pair of socks and have learned so many things as I’ve gone along. I like the look of this style of shaping too so may have to try it out on my next pair of socks 🙋🏼🏴
This makes quite a nice shape, i'll try it for my rounded toes. Thanks !
Love your technique tuesday videos!
Great episode!
The closeups are so clear and focused. This was so easy to understand.
Hi Roxanne. Great video. You always show such interesting techniques! Many thanks!😊
Hmmmm…. I’m intrigued! I like the neatness of the band toe. I do just fine with the Finchley graft thanks to you, but I’m not always crazy about how the decreases transition to the straight(ish) grafted stitches across the toes. I also knit socks for a bunch of Big Foots, so having a wider toe box is also appealing.
We can always count on you for easy-to-understand new knitting techniques. Thank you! You’ve saved my knitting more than once!
You explain the techniques, so well.
Love how you give all the crucial technical details and distinguish best-practice from personal choices! I just did a toe-up version of the band toe for my first in-shoe sock. I made a flat segment at the tip (like the wedge toe's overall shape) by doing a double-sided cast on of 4 stitch pairs, holding one side (4 sts) on the IC cord, and then working flat rows with the other 4 stitches, wrapping the yarn around the IC cord as I turned (to maintain tension and avoid picking up later); then knitting across these added loops to start the first full round. Equivalent to knitting a 4-stitch rectangle, then picking up along one edge for the top of the foot, knitting the base of the rectangle for the band, and picking up along the other edge for the sole. For cuff down, I _think_ you could work short rows of 4 stitches (perhaps using a pair of DPNs or spare IC tips) and decrease one held-stitch at each row turn (slip 1 new, turn, decrease, knit 3; repeat...similar to entrelac).
I'm with you until the short rows bit. What purpose would those serve?
@@RoxanneRichardson The short rows form the 4 stitches of the band across the tip of the toe, so that it's flat rather than pointy. They take the place of decreases (for toe-down) so that the band can go flat across a single row rather than diagonally. I think it's like how you'd turn a square heel (if the heel were 4 sts wide); imagine the two sides of that heel as the top and bottom of the toe.
@@ImprovCrafting So you're saying to do a wedge toe with short row shaping near the top and graft the same way you'd normally do for a standard wedge do so that the graft is parallel to the sole and instep, rather than perpendicular? How will that maintain the band at the top?
@@RoxanneRichardson Sorry I'm not explaining well; if I fail this time, let it go...not worth more of your time (thanks for trying!!). The short rows are like your band graft: perpendicular to the normal wedge-toe graft and continuing across the divide where you normally pull the needle out (where the magic loop sits). The set of sideways (instep-to-sole) short rows continues the band and replaces the graft along the top. Then graft band to band, as you did.
I'm trying to work out the little details in my head, reversing the toe-up version but trying to match your sequence: Suppose you've done the wedge part of the toe (stopping two rounds early, I think), just finished the sole side, and would normally now graft instep to sole to make the flat toe tip. You're at the right-hand corner of the toe, where the angled part becomes the flat tip. The active needle has the sole stitches and two band stitches just worked, and the other two band stitches are next-up. Shift the magic loops so maybe 1/4 of the stitches are on each needle.
With the same active needle, finish working across the band stitches: knit 1, ssk, turn. (The decrease connects the first top-edge instep stitch to the band.)
Purl across the 4 band stitches, slip 1 (from the sole).
Turn, k2tog (connecting the sole stitch to the band), k2, ssk (connecting the next instep stitch), turn. Each short-row turn incorporates one of the stitches that would normally be grafted (note a).
Continue short rows along/across the flat toe tip, shifting the magic loops as needed, until reaching the left-hand corner and 8 stitches remain. Then do a graft (note b) like the one you showed, perpendicular to the instep and parallel to the band stitches. The graft connects the 4 short-row stitches to the last 4 remaining sts, which should be band stitches. The graft is at the left-hand corner of the flat tip of a wedge toe rather than in the center of a pointy toe, but is otherwise the same as yours. Maybe the graft would need to incorporate the final sole or instep stitch at one end to avoid a hole.
a: Decreasing at each turn of the short row is the complement of my wrapping the cord when turning rows along the sides of the rectangle. Maybe the row-to-stitch rate is off...hmm...but it feels okay for my toe-up sock.
b: Grafting is the complement of my double-edged cast on for the base of the rectangle.
I was also musing about using the three-needle double (parallel) bind off for the 8 stitches, but ... brain hurts. Sorry if I made your brain hurt! Thanks for the indulgence.
@@RoxanneRichardson Using perpendicular short rows to replace most of the graft and form the band across the top. Grafting the ends of the band together, same direction (perpendicular). Sorry, words just aren't working. I'll put this on my "things to record" list, but I've got a backlog. (Sorry for the delayed response.)
I don't have this problem since using a toe up on the csm. But good to know . As always thanks for sharing .
I have discovered the rounded toe up fits best because I inherited my paternal grandmother’s bunion issue especially my left foot wider than the right. I stop increasing 2 1/2”.
QUESTION, do you have a tutorial on toe shaping, left foot and right foot? Most of my bought walking socks are that way an i like it.
I do not, sorry.
thank you Roxanne, the only problem I can see working back and forth is that my 1 row stripes would turn into 2 row stripes, and I don't want that
The toe is worked in the round, not back and forth.
Thank you Roxane!
I like designing my own sweaters ( just for myself) I I like knitting raglan sweaters ,bottom up (especially helix knitting ,one row strips ) that way I can use lots of colors. Any suggestion how to do short rows with 1 row stripes on raglan sweater knitted bottom up? I can't find it anywhere.Thanks
You don't need them. You can shape the neck when you come to it, binding off at the base of the neck, and then working back and forth to continue shaping the neck with decreases. I'm not sure why designers decided they needed to use short rows to shape top down raglans, because they've been done top down with neck shaping since the 1930s, joining in the round once the neckline was established. (I suspect it has to do with a) wanting to work the ribbing first, rather than picking up sts around the neck and b) doing it for circular yokes, which have no other way to be shaped, other than with short rows.) I have a video that discusses raglan construction, and others on with how to shape a neckline. You can find those in my playlist on Sweater Styles here: ua-cam.com/play/PL1AZxTfSCe2fcT51YdxUkPcXXTAkwCNG4.html
Have you ever come across the Mahalle sock pattern by Urth Yarns? I knit the toe up version and found the toe and heel construction quite different to anything I had come across before (to be honest, I prefer cuff down, heel flap and gusset but you have to push the boundaries now and then!).
I hadn't seen it before, but I took a look. It's a toe-up wedge toe, with a stockinette heel flap on the sole, using a Dutch heel for the heel turn.
This type of sock would be really good for those people who second and third toe is longer than their first. Mine aren't, so I'll see you next Technique Tuesday. Ta-ta.
P.S. I'm a su'scriber. I'll advance the timeline to the end and give it a like and hope it registers for your good. Most of the time you're talking over my head anyway. You discuss strategies, and I don't speak Knittin'ese. It means nothing until you show me while you're doing it. I am very monkey, see monkey do. As a matter of fact with your backwards knitting video I actually figured out Eastern/ / Russian/ Eastern European knitting buy simply mirroring a Russian purl on the backside of my Fabric and sticks. I spent a long search trying to ask several people and figure out what this way of knitting was that I had figured out, and no one answered me. I just found out and I'm grateful for your video, because my pragmatic mind has a work smarter not harder work ethic it tried to streamline everything. Shoot, I had even realized that if I knit on circulars I would never ever have to Purl in my lifetime... until I got bored. I want to do the fancy stuff that I see the Turkish women do. Your video actually helped me realize that a couple of those ladies do knit Eastern. Coupled with your backward knitting video I saw one called combination knitting. When she explained the loops' leg orientation my mind burned until I figured out that if I mirrored the Russian Purl I would be set! I have an idea in my head to Circular Russian Purl. I don't know if it will work. Eastern knitting is a bit like combination knitting the only thing is that you don't have to pay attention to leg orientation to enter the Stitches the right way because with each course on straight sticks the leg orientation changes itself automatically with the type of Stitch you're doing. Which is why I figure they're on a lot of videos with fancy stitching because this is not lend itself to a bunch of sticks tricks. I mean if you're going to do Garter Stitch it's going to twist the stitches however that method does close up the holes a bit better and they say it keeps you warmer, and the sweater is more snag free.
The 4-3-2-1 shaping rate used in the demonstration is actually ideal for someone with *wide* toes.