Mel, off-topic but just letting you know that the 100th anniversary of the 1924 Cairo Edition Hafs Qur'an is coming up on the 10th July, 2024. Very timely. It will be an amazing day - 100 years in the business! 🎂🥳
The Black Stone of Eligabalus is clearly an omphalos. There were many omphalos in the ancient world, but the most famous one is the omphalos of Delphi. This stone is the stone that Rhea, Zeus' mother, held out to Cronus, who was devouring her own children, as her own son, and later, when Zeus, who had grown up, took medicine to his father and pulled out his brothers and sisters who had been swallowed but did not die, it was the stone that first jumped out of Cronus. Later, Zeus sent two eagles to opposite sides of the world to find the point where the two eagles met, that is, the axis of the world. This is Delphi, famous for the Delphic prophecy, and he planted the omphalos stone that had been swallowed by his father here to declare it the center of the world. It is not surprising that Eligabalus considered his own stone sacred and spread that belief. He wanted to declare his capital as the center of the world. This is like declaring that the 'Sol Invictus faith' he believes in is the official faith of Rome. So how can you claim legitimacy if you establish a new religion under this tradition? You just have to steal the oldest stone.
There was a queen of Lydia called Omphale and her story involved marrying the demigod Hercules - reverse role playing was part of this myth (transgender and all that!)Now Lydia was close to the hotspots of meteorite worship as it is close to Phrygia, the center of the Cybele cult and to Ephesus where the statue of Diana was located. King Croesus, the last king was known for his attachment to the Delphic oracle and there is the well known story as told by Herodotus when he was being attacked by the Persians he asked the oracle if he would win if he went to war against them and the reply was typically ambiguous which said that if he went into battle he would destroy a mighty empire. He took this as an assurance of victory for himself but the outcome was actually that he would destroy his own empire as it was the Persians who won.
I think Saint John was right for many reasons: 1-The expression "Allah Akbar" is not a superlative as it is mistranslated all the time. I read somewhere it is a comparative. 🤝Then it should be translated greater rather than greatest. On my opinion Allah is neither a proper name but a common name in the context of the expression "Allah Akbar". Then it should rather be translated "the god Akbar" or extensively: "the greater god". 2- According to Pausanias's dialogue in Plato's Symposium, there are two Aphrodites, "the elder, having no mother, who is called the heavenly Aphrodite [Urania] - she is the daughter of Uranus; the younger, who is the daughter of Zeus and Dione - her we call 'common' [Pandemos]." 🤝 For pagans this stone from the sky, if stone is a feminine word in arabic it could be allegorically called the daughter of the sky (if the sky is masculine). Uranus comes from the greek Ouranos which means the "sky". Here we are 🌜💫 3-Venus that we see in every Islamic art as the shining star is the latin name for Aphroditis (the godess of lust). 4-The moon is linked to Artemis is ancient polytheist cults. It seems there is a relation between Aphroditis (Venus) and Artemis (the Moon): Artemis was the goddess of chastity, hunting, and the moon. Her maidenly virtue-for she swore never to marry-was presented in counterpoint to the passionate and fiery Aphrodite. 🤝I guess the polytheist arabs of that time might have been dualistic, maybe under the influence of Zoroastrianism is the region and they took this couple of gods to be complementary and to make a balance.
From Wikipedia. " Elagabalus (deity) ... was an Arab-Roman sun god. ... initially venerated at Emesa in Syria, where the Arab Emesan dynasty acted as its priests. The name is the Latinised form of the Arabic "Ilah al-Jabal" ("إله الجبل"), the Emesene manifestation of the deity, which is Arabic for "God of the Mountain."[4][5][6][7] Elagabalus was the religious "lord", or Ba'al, of Emesa.[4] The deity successfully preserved Arab characteristics, both in his names and in his representations.[8]" In the Bible, the children of Israel were up against worship that was being conducted on "high places" . Mountains? So Elagabalus the Emperor was in fact a Baal worshiper. And from the wikipedia of Elagabalus the Emperor: "A close relative to the Severan dynasty, he came from a prominent Arab family in Emesa (Homs), Syria, where since his early youth he served as head priest of the sun god Elagabal." He was a portent of what was to come later.
@@mysotiras21 I know there are scholars who are saying the current location of Mecca cannot match what is described in the Koran. Beyond that I can't say. I think I think Jay Smith's CIRA channel covers that.
I watched in one video, you felt, Hanimel if Mel is removed will become Hani al Khabisa. But I have another view after watching that. El is God in Hebrew and its Aramaic equivalent is Allah (Alaha). So if El is replaced with Allaha, it will become Hanzallah. Hanzallah was the Leader of Hani ibn Khabisa. After defeating Persians in Dhi Qar war, Hanzallah (Exliarch Hanimel) was appointed as Mammaed. Hani Ibn Khabisa (Ali) married the daugther of Hanzallah. Possibly Hanimel (Hanzallah)'s brother Exlairch Nehamiah is the Iyas ibn Khabisa. Iyas means prophet Elijah. He was called Iyas because he may have been considered as Eliyah before the coming of Messiah (Hanzallah). Mohammaed in SIN is called Ibn Abu Khabsa, clearly indicating he is from Kabisa family. There is another Hani also. Haninai the father of Exliarch Bostanai (Hussian). Ali's Son married daughter of emperor Yazdgarah. This Hani's Son Bostanai married daughter of emperor Yazdgarah
Too long, too boring , no presentations/illustrations. Text from some article in internet isn't an argument, sources - some clay tablets that everybody can "read by themselves" to check you. You are a dodo bird, absolutely unprepared to any pushback. Probably good video, i watched 15 minutes, no links were given, no links were checked. Maybe GPT can rephase text to exclude heavy unknown words and bring some life and charisma into the text. Make it 20 minutes but in a presentation style of mythvision and i will give it another try
Hajj and black stone and Kabeh honor Abraham. They reenact his legacy. Muslims travel like he did in search of God. They try to relive the hardships he and his family endured. The black stone is nothing but a marker. It has no other significance. Islam does not draw on Judea-Christian heritage. It draw on Abraham and his followers, the Hanifs. You are making up a story irrelevant to the Islamic tradition. You have so may nonsense, contradictions, and lies in your Bible, you should focus on explaining those thinks. Before you talk about Islam, prove yourself first by passing the poison and serpent tests, and show ing that you can talk in Gallilean Aramaic.
BS!!! Islam is the religion of plagiarism. It STOLE ideas, words, and practices from DOZENS of ancient sources. BTW, the Black Stone is HOLY according to Islam's scholars. Kissing it expiates your sins. That makes it far more than a marker.
THE DIFFERENT ARABIC VERSIONS OF THE QUR'AN (By Samuel Green) (1a) The Reader/quraa: Nafi Transmitter: Warsh used in Algeria, Morocco, parts of Tunisia; West Africa and Sudan (1b) The Reader/quraa: Nafi Another Transmitter: Qalun used in Libya, Tunisia and parts of Qatar (2) The Reader/quraa: Ibn Kathir Transmitter: al-Bazzi; Qunbul Current Area of Use: not stated specifically (3a) The Reader/quraa: Abu `Amr al-'Ala' Transmitter: al-Duri; Current Area of Use: Parts of Sudan and West Africa (3b) Another Transmitter: al-Suri Current Area of Use: not stated specifically (4a) The Reader/quraa: Hamzah Transmitter: Khalaf Current Area of Use: not stated specifically (4b) Another Transmitter: Khallad Current Area of Use: not stated (5a) The Reader/quraa: al-Kisa'i The Transmitter: al-Duri Current Area of Use: not stated specifically (5b) Another Transmitter: Abu'l-Harith Current Area of Use: not stated specifically (6a) The Reader/quraa: Abu Bakr `Asim Transmitter: Hafs Current Area of Use: Muslim world in general (6b) Another Transmitter: Ibn Ayyash Current Area of Use: not stated specifically (7a) The Reader/quraa: Ibn `Amir Transmitter: Hisham Current Area of Use: Parts of Yemen (7b) Another Transmitter: Ibn Dhakwan Current Area of Use: also parts of Yemen (8a) The Reader/quraa: al-Kisa'i The Transmitter: al-Duri Current Area of Use: (8b) Another Transmitter: Abu'l-Harit Current Area of Use: not stated specifically Then the author proceeded to give many examples of differences found in these Qurans. Afterwards he proceeded to hundreds of differences. The author displays the text of the Hafs version of the Qur'an IN PHOTOGRAPHIC FORMAT but underlines any word where there is a difference among the Readers. This difference is then shown in the margin. The author used a colour coded system to show which Reader is different. If the variant word in the margin is red this indicates that the Reader was Imam Wars Sure abdool
have you ever consider islam with hinduism? why always look to roman pagan, egypt pagan, but no one ever consider to eastern pagan? because on ritual similiarity. islamic hajj way more close to hinduism ritual
While there is no denying Islam has eastern elements from both Hinduism and Buddhism ... the reality is the main soup in which it was cooked up is Greco-Roman, Levantine, Persian, Sabean, and Sabaean in addition to Christianity and Judaism ... so those are the main strings if you want to unravel the knot that I Islam. With how how much of the origins was erased and painted over and how much lies the SIN is its hard to say if those Eastern Elements are part of the origin of Islam or later additions
@@sclsaktrc3311menurut ku haji itu ibadah mengambil dari Judaism. Orang yahudi ritual nya mengelilingi bukit suci dan ada jalan dari bukit Scopus ke bukit Moria (Safa ke Marwah). Nah yg di Mekkah itu situs tandingan yg dibangun oleh ibn Zubair (musuh Ummayah). Saat Abbasiyah berkuasa barulah kiblat dibentuk dengan Mekkah sebagai pusatnya menggantikan Jerusalem atau menapun yg dianggap sebelum nya dianggap Mekkah karena sebelum itu belum ada kiblat.
Indeed, but it's worse than that. The Nabateans represented their gods and rectangular and cubic stone blocks and worshipped ka'aba, which they spread wherever they traded throughout Arabia. Beside the Black Stone the ka'aba itself is idolatry and descends from pagan practices.
@@almazchati4178 That's a different subject to the Black Stone and Nabatean ka'aba and cubic stone god representations. Let's say for now that you are correct and Jesus is derived from pagan origins, therefore one could conclude Christianity would be bad. Similarly, Islam's origins from pagan beginnings would necessarily make it bad. While there is no real evidence Christianity is pagan (given it comes from a previous monotheism and remains monotheism), apart from coincidental similarities, it is without doubt Islam evolved from previous pagan practices. Therefore one must conclude Islam's pagan origins are extremely problematic if Muslims wish to actually follow non-pagan practices, yes ?
Really enjoyed this comment and presentation. Especially the last 15 minutes. Liberty, equality, happiness vs pleasure, Hamurabbi and his laws, the declaration of independence and it's implications. Deep and interesting things to think about regarding law, interaction of people, aspects of justice, and how people should act. Of course, the lapis Niger, sol invictus, Islam. Great stuff presented with maturity, clarity, without ego, and a smartassness, which many do. Thanks for Great presentation and comments.
For their rock is not like our Rock, even our enemies concede. 32But their vine is from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah. Their grapes are poisonous; their clusters are bitter.…Deuteronomy 32:31
In the Antiquity, it is known at least two cases that the some god/godess was adorated together with some black stone (probably big meteorite): Cybele - Magna Mater (Mather Earth godess) in Frygia and Diana of Efesuss. The Cybele's black stone, according to some sources, was taken and transported in Rome, during II Punic war, as religious support of Romans in critical moments of the war. In the second case, it is known that Diana of Effesuss (her temple in Effessuss was one of 7 Wonders of the World at that time) was adored together with her black stone. In both cases, the black stone was keeping in Western part of Asia Minor and maybe, it was the part of same cult, or it was broken in two parts and kept in two different temples? Asia Minor is relatively close to Syria and its religious influence maybe crossing into Syria? On the end of the day, we can understand that today's adoration of black stone in Kaaba is just the only kept residual of religious practice from the Antiquty!? Muslims today treat the Kaaba black stone like it is the God itself - the practice the same as for godesses Cybele and Diana in its own times!
The black stone of Cybele at Pessinus in Phrygia (Turkey) was definitely taken to Rome during the Second Punic War when the Carthaginian general Hannibal was literally at the gates of Rome and it looked as if it would fall to him. The Romans consulted their oracles and Sybilline books and they got a reply (probably via a priest or priestess) that declared that Rome would be saved by Cybele if her black sacred stone was taken to Rome. Now the object, at the time was owned by the kingdom of Pergamum that was a close ally of Rome - they controlled Phrygia at that moment - so getting that hot holy rock was a relatively easy thing to do -and it was taken to Rome -and Hannibal was later defeated and Rome saved. So that mighty stone had miraculous powers (like the Kaaba rock!) Cybele then became a major religious cult in the Roman empire with its own castrated priests called the Galli. This cult had to be regulated as its worship was very orgiastic. I'm not sure who the Roman or Greek historian was who gave us this information - it could have been Livy or Polybius or some other. Rinse and repeat -later with the Syrian background emperor Heliogabalus who took the sacred Emesa (Homs) black holy rock to Rome in the 200's AD as part of Sun god cult.
No one knows what happened to the black stone afterwards, I find it a little hard to believe the Romans would send an idol out of the city, I can't recall a single event when happened before, it just seems to vanish into obscurity. Let's assume the Heliogabalus cult temple on the palatine was repurposed, I think it's a fair assumption that the stone was moved to the temple of Cybele, due to its association with the great mother cult. Curiously enough that's the Vatican today. Maybe it's still there in the pagan catacombs.
@@CtrAltawesome Lot of stuff was destroyed when we had the sack of Rome by Vandals and Goths but the main culprits were probably when Christianity took over who like the Muslims were iconoclastic. Also pagan Romans themselves may have destroyed anything related to Heliogabalus because his reign was notoriously depraved and unRoman.
@@kaloarepo288 anyone's guess really, what I do find interesting and it's not covered as much, is the black stone historical thread in islam, it's present ( veneration of black stones) in india and mesopotamia in the early iron age, slowly disappearing with the formation of a more monotheistic Judaism and then Christianity. then suddenly pops up again in Arabia centuries later, according to islamic sources sometime in the 500s when the Kaaba was refounded apparently. Very strange indeed for a strictly monotheism community to invent the black stone, it's either near contemporary to Muhammad in a pagan context or very late (8th -9th century) to solidify a pagan contextual narrative. Either way it's a highly unusual artifact of history that I just don't know what to make of. A wild card that Mel might like, is that the stone was taken to Constantinople like lots of other stuff was when the city was founded, then put into the Kaaba when the city fell to Mehmet the conqueror in the 15th century. All because a cannon engineer was a free market capitalist 😭
Interesting work ... Its possible that said Blacks stones while rare are not un heard of ... so while its possible there is a connection its just as likely that are separate thing, an alternative would be that after the original stone was smashed the Religious fever moved to the other one that survived possibly in Petra ... thats just as likely as the Emmesan stone being moved to Petra then south ....
If you Look closelsy at the coin you See the depicture of a Torso at the Stone with the head Missing. They say it Aphrodite symbolized in that Stone. There might a head which how is the black Stone we know.
Is this a Christian channel? I am an agnostic atheist and im also interested in how Islam really originated there seems to be a lot of discrepancies in the Islamic tradition.
I'm a Catholic Christian, but I run the channel mostly in a non-denominational, secular way, if that makes sense, occasionally I share my own belief but quite rarely.
Another sources for the black Stone is the holy Stone of Harran. There was a betyl which was Worshipped for the moon deity of SIN. Harran also shall the hometown of Abraham Called Ur. Maybe the two Stories we're merger together. The betyl of "Abraham" and that Abraham build the Kaaba in which "His" is how a Corner Stone.
Here's a proposed hypothesis: Emessa = Mecca "Messa" may be a valid original ronunciation of what we now write as Mecca (a reverse phonetic transformation from the similar and famous example of CAESAR, pronounced Kayser but the K sound became an S in French and English, and Ch in Italian.) We also see contraction or expansion of city names, as conquest brings new languages over older cities (eg Constantinopolis --> Stamboul/Istanbul )
Methinks Aladdin "Born to be Wild" Tromp and SinSinAyya are about to reenact a Magic Carpet Ride soon, to outdo the Thieves of Baghdad, the Gnomes of Zurich, and the Lucky Charmer.
We are not created equal. This means copies of each other. We are equal in rights, and being self determined as an image of God, who also is responsible for His decisions, and status of being created by God. The pursuit of happiness was a concept from the Enlightenment not from Christianity. Christianity is about purpose and service instead of narcissistic pursuits which the age of Enlightenment is about.
I love how obsessed you are with Islamic history (in a good way), we all appreciate it, a window into an opaque world. It's sad how humans follow superstitions.
The black stone is a judgement stone. White stone is innocent and black is guilty.. the stones have divine judicial consequences .. the black stone aka kaaba is I sign to the one who gave it.. thanos wants his stones back 😮
I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THE KAABA. _ The black stone Monolith depicted in 2001- A Space Odyssey. Black Hematite/Magnetite perfectly cut and polished dimensions 1:4:9. Mentioned in the Tanak/Old Testament as King Og's Bedstead and captured by King David as the Methegamma. Cosmic Significance (among other things): "Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?": 1, 4, 9
The meteorite embedded in the wall is a misdirection. The Kaaba mentioned in the Qur'an is the Monolith inside the building. The cube building is of modern construction created to hide, secure, and monitor the Monolith. "Allah sent the Kaaba that you may know that Allah has knowledge of all that is in the heaven and the earth."
@@seaofcronos675 Coverup for Ascension symptoms all humanity were experiencing, so the adversary could launch their global Pearl Harbor before too many really woke up from the dead and corrupted
@@seaofcronos675 So Isaac Newton's calculation of 2160 years for a zodiac sign was right, but the adversary thought they had till 2160, not 2025, to find and kill the new Messiah bloodline
@@seaofcronos675 the last 2000 years have been ones of prophecy counter-prophecy false flags to get all the bloodlines reunited and birth the Prince of Peace, King of Kings, and get him to the real Jerusalem to start his kingdom and rebuild the temple bar
@@miltonbates6425 My point is Jay has already clearly showed why they all are coming from the North, thats my point, if you dont get that well I dont know what to say. Not about multiple covering same topic, I am saying you are behind, catch up.
Everyone wanted deep purple gold negative matter, but didn't know how to control it's power till they figured out the circumnambulation ritual. Then they forgot which side of the stone was up for a pole shift
Mel, off-topic but just letting you know that the 100th anniversary of the 1924 Cairo Edition Hafs Qur'an is coming up on the 10th July, 2024. Very timely. It will be an amazing day - 100 years in the business! 🎂🥳
The Black Stone of Eligabalus is clearly an omphalos. There were many omphalos in the ancient world, but the most famous one is the omphalos of Delphi.
This stone is the stone that Rhea, Zeus' mother, held out to Cronus, who was devouring her own children, as her own son, and later, when Zeus, who had grown up, took medicine to his father and pulled out his brothers and sisters who had been swallowed but did not die, it was the stone that first jumped out of Cronus.
Later, Zeus sent two eagles to opposite sides of the world to find the point where the two eagles met, that is, the axis of the world. This is Delphi, famous for the Delphic prophecy, and he planted the omphalos stone that had been swallowed by his father here to declare it the center of the world.
It is not surprising that Eligabalus considered his own stone sacred and spread that belief. He wanted to declare his capital as the center of the world. This is like declaring that the 'Sol Invictus faith' he believes in is the official faith of Rome.
So how can you claim legitimacy if you establish a new religion under this tradition? You just have to steal the oldest stone.
There was a queen of Lydia called Omphale and her story involved marrying the demigod Hercules - reverse role playing was part of this myth (transgender and all that!)Now Lydia was close to the hotspots of meteorite worship as it is close to Phrygia, the center of the Cybele cult and to Ephesus where the statue of Diana was located. King Croesus, the last king was known for his attachment to the Delphic oracle and there is the well known story as told by Herodotus when he was being attacked by the Persians he asked the oracle if he would win if he went to war against them and the reply was typically ambiguous which said that if he went into battle he would destroy a mighty empire. He took this as an assurance of victory for himself but the outcome was actually that he would destroy his own empire as it was the Persians who won.
I think Saint John was right for many reasons:
1-The expression "Allah Akbar" is not a superlative as it is mistranslated all the time. I read somewhere it is a comparative.
🤝Then it should be translated greater rather than greatest. On my opinion Allah is neither a proper name but a common name in the context of the expression "Allah Akbar". Then it should rather be translated "the god Akbar" or extensively: "the greater god".
2- According to Pausanias's dialogue in Plato's Symposium, there are two Aphrodites, "the elder, having no mother, who is called the heavenly Aphrodite [Urania] - she is the daughter of Uranus; the younger, who is the daughter of Zeus and Dione - her we call 'common' [Pandemos]."
🤝 For pagans this stone from the sky, if stone is a feminine word in arabic it could be allegorically called the daughter of the sky (if the sky is masculine). Uranus comes from the greek Ouranos which means the "sky".
Here we are 🌜💫
3-Venus that we see in every Islamic art as the shining star is the latin name for Aphroditis (the godess of lust).
4-The moon is linked to Artemis is ancient polytheist cults. It seems there is a relation between Aphroditis (Venus) and Artemis (the Moon):
Artemis was the goddess of chastity, hunting, and the moon. Her maidenly virtue-for she swore never to marry-was presented in counterpoint to the passionate and fiery Aphrodite.
🤝I guess the polytheist arabs of that time might have been dualistic, maybe under the influence of Zoroastrianism is the region and they took this couple of gods to be complementary and to make a balance.
Nice opening. I usually just listen, so I don't know if you have been using it for a while or not.
That Emperor was into Sun worship, but the Godess consort is Isis-Ishtar-Venus worship.
You pronounce that name ELA-GABA-LUS
Sticks and stones may break man's bones, but rocks tell them God means business 😉😇
It appears to myself the stone In the coin, has a body of a horse and the head of a lion ? SHALOM
From Wikipedia. " Elagabalus (deity) ... was an Arab-Roman sun god. ... initially venerated at Emesa in Syria, where the Arab Emesan dynasty acted as its priests. The name is the Latinised form of the Arabic "Ilah al-Jabal" ("إله الجبل"), the Emesene manifestation of the deity, which is Arabic for "God of the Mountain."[4][5][6][7] Elagabalus was the religious "lord", or Ba'al, of Emesa.[4] The deity successfully preserved Arab characteristics, both in his names and in his representations.[8]" In the Bible, the children of Israel were up against worship that was being conducted on "high places" . Mountains? So Elagabalus the Emperor was in fact a Baal worshiper.
And from the wikipedia of Elagabalus the Emperor: "A close relative to the Severan dynasty, he came from a prominent Arab family in Emesa (Homs), Syria, where since his early youth he served as head priest of the sun god Elagabal." He was a portent of what was to come later.
So perhaps "Emesa" was the original "Mecca"?
@@mysotiras21 I know there are scholars who are saying the current location of Mecca cannot match what is described in the Koran. Beyond that I can't say. I think I think Jay Smith's CIRA channel covers that.
@@EndingSimple , yes CIRA covered that last year. Modern Mecca just does not match the description of the "mother of cities" mentioned in the Qur'an.
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IDOL WORSHIP NO MATTER WHERE IT IS FROM.
Great dot connection! Have you found the Eunus in that haystack?
I watched in one video, you felt, Hanimel if Mel is removed will become Hani al Khabisa. But I have another view after watching that. El is God in Hebrew and its Aramaic equivalent is Allah (Alaha). So if El is replaced with Allaha, it will become Hanzallah. Hanzallah was the Leader of Hani ibn Khabisa. After defeating Persians in Dhi Qar war, Hanzallah (Exliarch Hanimel) was appointed as Mammaed. Hani Ibn Khabisa (Ali) married the daugther of Hanzallah. Possibly Hanimel (Hanzallah)'s brother Exlairch Nehamiah is the Iyas ibn Khabisa. Iyas means prophet Elijah. He was called Iyas because he may have been considered as Eliyah before the coming of Messiah (Hanzallah). Mohammaed in SIN is called Ibn Abu Khabsa, clearly indicating he is from Kabisa family.
There is another Hani also. Haninai the father of Exliarch Bostanai (Hussian). Ali's Son married daughter of emperor Yazdgarah. This Hani's Son Bostanai married daughter of emperor Yazdgarah
Too long, too boring , no presentations/illustrations. Text from some article in internet isn't an argument, sources - some clay tablets that everybody can "read by themselves" to check you.
You are a dodo bird, absolutely unprepared to any pushback.
Probably good video, i watched 15 minutes, no links were given, no links were checked.
Maybe GPT can rephase text to exclude heavy unknown words and bring some life and charisma into the text.
Make it 20 minutes but in a presentation style of mythvision and i will give it another try
Mount - jebel - bible
You mean mount Sinai? "Jebel" is not a Hebrew word.
@@mysotiras21 hebrew comes from arabic. Just ask any jew in tel aviv
Hajj and black stone and Kabeh honor Abraham. They reenact his legacy. Muslims travel like he did in search of God. They try to relive the hardships he and his family endured. The black stone is nothing but a marker. It has no other significance.
Islam does not draw on Judea-Christian heritage. It draw on Abraham and his followers, the Hanifs.
You are making up a story irrelevant to the Islamic tradition.
You have so may nonsense, contradictions, and lies in your Bible, you should focus on explaining those thinks.
Before you talk about Islam, prove yourself first by passing the poison and serpent tests, and show ing that you can talk in Gallilean Aramaic.
If you think the Bible is full of lies then you are not a Muslim.
BS!!! Islam is the religion of plagiarism. It STOLE ideas, words, and practices from DOZENS of ancient sources. BTW, the Black Stone is HOLY according to Islam's scholars. Kissing it expiates your sins. That makes it far more than a marker.
THE DIFFERENT ARABIC VERSIONS OF THE QUR'AN
(By Samuel Green)
(1a) The Reader/quraa: Nafi
Transmitter: Warsh used in Algeria, Morocco, parts of Tunisia; West Africa and Sudan
(1b) The Reader/quraa: Nafi
Another Transmitter: Qalun used in Libya, Tunisia and parts of Qatar
(2) The Reader/quraa: Ibn Kathir
Transmitter: al-Bazzi; Qunbul
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
(3a) The Reader/quraa: Abu `Amr al-'Ala'
Transmitter: al-Duri;
Current Area of Use: Parts of Sudan and West Africa
(3b) Another Transmitter: al-Suri
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
(4a) The Reader/quraa: Hamzah
Transmitter: Khalaf
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
(4b) Another Transmitter: Khallad
Current Area of Use: not stated
(5a) The Reader/quraa: al-Kisa'i
The Transmitter: al-Duri
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
(5b) Another Transmitter: Abu'l-Harith
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
(6a) The Reader/quraa: Abu Bakr `Asim
Transmitter: Hafs
Current Area of Use: Muslim world in general
(6b) Another Transmitter: Ibn Ayyash
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
(7a) The Reader/quraa: Ibn `Amir
Transmitter: Hisham
Current Area of Use: Parts of Yemen
(7b) Another Transmitter: Ibn Dhakwan
Current Area of Use: also parts of Yemen
(8a) The Reader/quraa: al-Kisa'i
The Transmitter: al-Duri
Current Area of Use:
(8b) Another Transmitter: Abu'l-Harit
Current Area of Use: not stated specifically
Then the author proceeded to give many examples of differences found in these Qurans. Afterwards he proceeded to hundreds of differences.
The author displays the text of the Hafs version of the Qur'an IN PHOTOGRAPHIC FORMAT but underlines any word where there is a difference among the Readers. This difference is then shown in the margin. The author used a colour coded system to show which Reader is different. If the variant word in the margin is red this indicates that the Reader was Imam Wars
Sure abdool
Is there any other source for Abraham traveling to current day Mecca besides Islamic sources?
Surely the Torah would have recorded it….
that one of muslims gods
have you ever consider islam with hinduism? why always look to roman pagan, egypt pagan, but no one ever consider to eastern pagan?
because on ritual similiarity. islamic hajj way more close to hinduism ritual
While there is no denying Islam has eastern elements from both Hinduism and Buddhism ... the reality is the main soup in which it was cooked up is Greco-Roman, Levantine, Persian, Sabean, and Sabaean in addition to Christianity and Judaism ... so those are the main strings if you want to unravel the knot that I Islam.
With how how much of the origins was erased and painted over and how much lies the SIN is its hard to say if those Eastern Elements are part of the origin of Islam or later additions
@@sclsaktrc3311menurut ku haji itu ibadah mengambil dari Judaism. Orang yahudi ritual nya mengelilingi bukit suci dan ada jalan dari bukit Scopus ke bukit Moria (Safa ke Marwah). Nah yg di Mekkah itu situs tandingan yg dibangun oleh ibn Zubair (musuh Ummayah). Saat Abbasiyah berkuasa barulah kiblat dibentuk dengan Mekkah sebagai pusatnya menggantikan Jerusalem atau menapun yg dianggap sebelum nya dianggap Mekkah karena sebelum itu belum ada kiblat.
@@sclsaktrc3311orang indo pada ngumpul disini😁. Welcome my friend.
The Black Stone is obviously idolatry. How they deny it totally amazing to me.
It’s one of the funniest things about Islam. That and Ramadan.
@beefymario88 The non-fast fast.
Indeed, but it's worse than that. The Nabateans represented their gods and rectangular and cubic stone blocks and worshipped ka'aba, which they spread wherever they traded throughout Arabia. Beside the Black Stone the ka'aba itself is idolatry and descends from pagan practices.
How about Jesus being derived from Zeus, originally a Sumerian God?
@@almazchati4178 That's a different subject to the Black Stone and Nabatean ka'aba and cubic stone god representations. Let's say for now that you are correct and Jesus is derived from pagan origins, therefore one could conclude Christianity would be bad. Similarly, Islam's origins from pagan beginnings would necessarily make it bad. While there is no real evidence Christianity is pagan (given it comes from a previous monotheism and remains monotheism), apart from coincidental similarities, it is without doubt Islam evolved from previous pagan practices. Therefore one must conclude Islam's pagan origins are extremely problematic if Muslims wish to actually follow non-pagan practices, yes ?
Allah’s stool sample
A coprolite.
@@chrisazure1624😂😂😂😂😂
Such a elite name for shyte 💩
UGH!!!
HolyShit! Literally
Really enjoyed this comment and presentation. Especially the last 15 minutes. Liberty, equality, happiness vs pleasure, Hamurabbi and his laws, the declaration of independence and it's implications. Deep and interesting things to think about regarding law, interaction of people, aspects of justice, and how people should act.
Of course, the lapis Niger, sol invictus, Islam.
Great stuff presented with maturity, clarity, without ego, and a smartassness, which many do.
Thanks for Great presentation and comments.
For their rock is not like our Rock, even our enemies concede. 32But their vine is from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah. Their grapes are poisonous; their clusters are bitter.…Deuteronomy 32:31
Interesting side note at the end linking of the Stone of Hammurabi to the black stone with writing on it.
FYI, THE KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE MANIFESTED A WHITE STONE ! REVELATION 2:17
SO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM NOW ! SHALOM
I can't see how anyone can view what happens at the Hajj as anything but a pagan practise
Materialist scientism is the myth, one of the greatest evils humanity let out of it's Pandora's box
You babbling hard over here
@@TingTong2568 All over the multiverse today. Happy Karma!
@28:46 - Also something symbolized in the wine tester and baker with Joseph. The wine taster blood lived but the baker = body died.
In the Antiquity, it is known at least two cases that the some god/godess was adorated together with some black stone (probably big meteorite): Cybele - Magna Mater (Mather Earth godess) in Frygia and Diana of Efesuss. The Cybele's black stone, according to some sources, was taken and transported in Rome, during II Punic war, as religious support of Romans in critical moments of the war. In the second case, it is known that Diana of Effesuss (her temple in Effessuss was one of 7 Wonders of the World at that time) was adored together with her black stone. In both cases, the black stone was keeping in Western part of Asia Minor and maybe, it was the part of same cult, or it was broken in two parts and kept in two different temples?
Asia Minor is relatively close to Syria and its religious influence maybe crossing into Syria? On the end of the day, we can understand that today's adoration of black stone in Kaaba is just the only kept residual of religious practice from the Antiquty!?
Muslims today treat the Kaaba black stone like it is the God itself - the practice the same as for godesses Cybele and Diana in its own times!
The black stone of Cybele at Pessinus in Phrygia (Turkey) was definitely taken to Rome during the Second Punic War when the Carthaginian general Hannibal was literally at the gates of Rome and it looked as if it would fall to him. The Romans consulted their oracles and Sybilline books and they got a reply (probably via a priest or priestess) that declared that Rome would be saved by Cybele if her black sacred stone was taken to Rome. Now the object, at the time was owned by the kingdom of Pergamum that was a close ally of Rome - they controlled Phrygia at that moment - so getting that hot holy rock was a relatively easy thing to do -and it was taken to Rome -and Hannibal was later defeated and Rome saved. So that mighty stone had miraculous powers (like the Kaaba rock!) Cybele then became a major religious cult in the Roman empire with its own castrated priests called the Galli. This cult had to be regulated as its worship was very orgiastic. I'm not sure who the Roman or Greek historian was who gave us this information - it could have been Livy or Polybius or some other. Rinse and repeat -later with the Syrian background emperor Heliogabalus who took the sacred Emesa (Homs) black holy rock to Rome in the 200's AD as part of Sun god cult.
No one knows what happened to the black stone afterwards, I find it a little hard to believe the Romans would send an idol out of the city, I can't recall a single event when happened before, it just seems to vanish into obscurity. Let's assume the Heliogabalus cult temple on the palatine was repurposed, I think it's a fair assumption that the stone was moved to the temple of Cybele, due to its association with the great mother cult. Curiously enough that's the Vatican today. Maybe it's still there in the pagan catacombs.
@@CtrAltawesome Lot of stuff was destroyed when we had the sack of Rome by Vandals and Goths but the main culprits were probably when Christianity took over who like the Muslims were iconoclastic. Also pagan Romans themselves may have destroyed anything related to Heliogabalus because his reign was notoriously depraved and unRoman.
@@kaloarepo288 anyone's guess really, what I do find interesting and it's not covered as much, is the black stone historical thread in islam, it's present ( veneration of black stones) in india and mesopotamia in the early iron age, slowly disappearing with the formation of a more monotheistic Judaism and then Christianity. then suddenly pops up again in Arabia centuries later, according to islamic sources sometime in the 500s when the Kaaba was refounded apparently. Very strange indeed for a strictly monotheism community to invent the black stone, it's either near contemporary to Muhammad in a pagan context or very late (8th -9th century) to solidify a pagan contextual narrative. Either way it's a highly unusual artifact of history that I just don't know what to make of. A wild card that Mel might like, is that the stone was taken to Constantinople like lots of other stuff was when the city was founded, then put into the Kaaba when the city fell to Mehmet the conqueror in the 15th century. All because a cannon engineer was a free market capitalist 😭
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting the carriage on the coin ... you find it ontop the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, titled "QUADRIGA"
Interesting work ... Its possible that said Blacks stones while rare are not un heard of ... so while its possible there is a connection its just as likely that are separate thing, an alternative would be that after the original stone was smashed the Religious fever moved to the other one that survived possibly in Petra ... thats just as likely as the Emmesan stone being moved to Petra then south ....
Yes, the Serbian people are very hospitable💯... No doubt about it... It's a big part of the culture to be a good host for SURE ...
If you Look closelsy at the coin you See the depicture of a Torso at the Stone with the head Missing. They say it Aphrodite symbolized in that Stone. There might a head which how is the black Stone we know.
We could break the stone up for God's NFT relics, like the Christians do, and trade them for Karma?
Is this a Christian channel? I am an agnostic atheist and im also interested in how Islam really originated there seems to be a lot of discrepancies in the Islamic tradition.
I'm a Catholic Christian, but I run the channel mostly in a non-denominational, secular way, if that makes sense, occasionally I share my own belief but quite rarely.
It's Muslims Blarney stone!
Robert Spencer needs to see this
Rather him than me.
black stone come from hinduism. symbol of shiva
I was always told it was the meteor that fell and was part of Diana worship.
Another sources for the black Stone is the holy Stone of Harran. There was a betyl which was Worshipped for the moon deity of SIN.
Harran also shall the hometown of Abraham Called Ur. Maybe the two Stories we're merger together. The betyl of "Abraham" and that Abraham build the Kaaba in which "His" is how a Corner Stone.
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Very fishy. YT up to its old tricks.
Here's a proposed hypothesis: Emessa = Mecca
"Messa" may be a valid original ronunciation of what we now write as Mecca (a reverse phonetic transformation from the similar and famous example of CAESAR, pronounced Kayser but the K sound became an S in French and English, and Ch in Italian.) We also see contraction or expansion of city names, as conquest brings new languages over older cities (eg Constantinopolis --> Stamboul/Istanbul )
Intriguing idea.
Methinks Aladdin "Born to be Wild" Tromp and SinSinAyya are about to reenact a Magic Carpet Ride soon, to outdo the Thieves of Baghdad, the Gnomes of Zurich, and the Lucky Charmer.
But what makes them sacred and not unholy? The anointment of God's anointed priests, but only if they have arisen incorruptible at the last trompette.
I-rock cult, eh?
He lives in a wooden house made of straw. No bricks or marble for him. 😂🤣
We are not created equal. This means copies of each other.
We are equal in rights, and being self determined as an image of God, who also is responsible for His decisions, and status of being created by God.
The pursuit of happiness was a concept from the Enlightenment not from Christianity. Christianity is about purpose and service instead of narcissistic pursuits which the age of Enlightenment is about.
Maybe the rock is pulling itself south, back to Antarctic mouths?
Elemental life is much more durable, but not easy to govern
If I wanted to know about this, first, I wouldn’t go to Wikipedia. Second, I could’ve read it better myself.
I love how obsessed you are with Islamic history (in a good way), we all appreciate it, a window into an opaque world. It's sad how humans follow superstitions.
The black stone is a judgement stone. White stone is innocent and black is guilty.. the stones have divine judicial consequences .. the black stone aka kaaba is I sign to the one who gave it.. thanos wants his stones back 😮
Mountain -> Jabal - Gibraltar. Yep, you got it on this.
BTW, it's not shekels, it's shackles of Karma
EL-LA-GAB-O-LUS.
What stone is under the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem another stone of Islam?
I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THE KAABA. _ The black stone Monolith depicted in 2001- A Space Odyssey. Black Hematite/Magnetite perfectly cut and polished dimensions 1:4:9. Mentioned in the Tanak/Old Testament as King Og's Bedstead and captured by King David as the Methegamma.
Cosmic Significance (among other things): "Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?": 1, 4, 9
The meteorite embedded in the wall is a misdirection. The Kaaba mentioned in the Qur'an is the Monolith inside the building. The cube building is of modern construction created to hide, secure, and monitor the Monolith. "Allah sent the Kaaba that you may know that Allah has knowledge of all that is in the heaven and the earth."
The name Elagabalus refers to the god Baal.
Book of Acts says the people of Ephesus venerated a rock dedicated to the goddess Diana. They shouted "Diana is Greater!"
Frodo should finish carrying it to Mordor and give Mount Doom a healthy snack
@PraesThulohrd333 Shit happens!
Excellent suggestion!
Another outstanding video. Keep hammering the facts Mel. Future generations of abduls will see the truth and walk away from their SIN.
"Abduls" ?
Second half is really good
0:01 vault intro
can I have the link of the original post please?
The old channel is hidden.
If I wanted to know
EQual creation happens when your soul is pulled out of the NPC cup, and even then the vehicle has it's own bard code
What's your take on "covid 19 " and mRNA experimental jabs?
@@seaofcronos675 Coverup for Ascension symptoms all humanity were experiencing, so the adversary could launch their global Pearl Harbor before too many really woke up from the dead and corrupted
@@seaofcronos675 but they were misled by the Jesus false flag. The real Jewish Messiah died in 135BC
@@seaofcronos675 So Isaac Newton's calculation of 2160 years for a zodiac sign was right, but the adversary thought they had till 2160, not 2025, to find and kill the new Messiah bloodline
@@seaofcronos675 the last 2000 years have been ones of prophecy counter-prophecy false flags to get all the bloodlines reunited and birth the Prince of Peace, King of Kings, and get him to the real Jerusalem to start his kingdom and rebuild the temple bar
So interesting! I had heard the part about Elagabal before, but the information on the black stone tablet of Hammurabi was new to me.
Jay Smith has already done all of this
And your point is? I welcome as much coverage and insights on these topics as possible.
@@miltonbates6425 My point is Jay has already clearly showed why they all are coming from the North, thats my point, if you dont get that well I dont know what to say. Not about multiple covering same topic, I am saying you are behind, catch up.
I think it is good for multiple people to do independent work and reach the same conclusion. Can approach the topic from different angles.
Everyone wanted deep purple gold negative matter, but didn't know how to control it's power till they figured out the circumnambulation ritual. Then they forgot which side of the stone was up for a pole shift
I think maybe we should take her along on the first Time Team Trek, and let her guide the way to the unpromising land?
When we start listening to Father Superior again, the code of Hammer Robby will make more cents, and you'll find out who really killed Roger Rabbit