When Formula 1 Used AEROPLANE Wings
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2023
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An F1 rear wing can produce over 500kg of downforce and help the cars corner at over 5G, but not that long ago they were nearly removed from F1 altogether.
We’re going through how we went from this to this and now to wings that look like this. Oh and also how we ended up with some of the really crazy ones.
We’re very used to rear wings in F1, but back in the early days - things were very different. During the 1950s and most of the 1960s, F1 cars didn’t have any wings.
They were very streamlined and focused on straight-line speed - so designers focused on making them great at slipstreaming.
Although they didn’t focus on downforce, engineers did have to reduce lift. Something that road car engineers have to do now - as the flat bottom, rounded top of cars can lead to them creating lift like a wing.
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Someone buy Scarbs a better webcamera please 😂
Or internet
@@WinGamingPT both
Why? Its all part of his charm...
It's a Scarbs trademark now. If he has a better one, that's not the Scarbs in Driver69's basement.
Let's start a gofundme
1:29 bro invented DRS that long ago
Manual DRS lol
Manual DRS 💀
Spitefully dobbing in your opponents because they thought of a better idea than you is a tradition in F1 that goes right back to the start.
Generally backstabbing and stealing ideas is part of the sport.
It's just mindboggling about how big the 69 wings were, they were like half the car
Nice
Size did matter in 69! 😂
Nice
why u use posh words to get likes on your comemtn
@@sr4speed ah yes, formula one. the working mans motorsport. no poshness here at all... you have to go to nascar for that.
Don't forget Jum Hall's Chaparral: wing 1966, ground effect / fan 1969 / 1970.
Great car but the 2J wasn’t an F1 car
I would love to see a video on the evolution of F1 front wings. If anything, it's even more varied than the rear wing - especially in the 70s with the March 701 tea tray, the Brabham 'Lobster Claw', and the snowplow/splitter design that Tyrrell first tried and even cropped up on some of the early Tolemans.
at this point it would be better to do one on the evolution of the fun police ...
It was the March 711 that had the tea tray. the BT34 Lobster claw was the first F1 car i saw win a race, the 1971 Daily Express international trophy at Silverstone. 10/6 to get in. and won by Graham Hill, his last F1 win. the race was run over two heats of mixed F1 and F5000 cars. happy days.
Hey, anyone here knows the reason no F1 team uses highly elevated front wing like this one 2:05. As the front wing of F1 car these days is so fragile, even when being clipped by another competing car.
I love these looks back through the evolution of car design. Also, #Hashtag1, #Hashtag2, #Hashtag3... did someone forget to complete the template, or am I missing something 😂
They're Firstname Lastname's hashtags, you must have missed the memo 😁
You used to see such a wide variety of elements on cars in the 80s and 90s. Often on the same cars during a season. Like at Hockenheim the wings would be almost nothing. There purely to keep it stable at top speed and provided little significant downforce. But at Hungaroring you couldn’t even see out the back of the car for all the elements stacked up there.
Congratz on 1M! I follow your channel since it was like, 15k and aimed just at drive teaching. The growth you went through is spectacular!
Same here! He's created great content since day one.
So sweet seeing a F1 car going through the Laguna Seca corkscrew especially a Lotus 79
You mentioned the Jordan of 1996 but you missed the McLaren of 1995 - theMcLaren MP4/10B
Mounting directly to suspension is so amazing. Still a great opportunity in automotive today. New series could well use it to limit aero squat at speed.
The Superbird & Dodge Daytona both had the wing attached to the rear axle iirc
I believe the first wing used on a race car was in 1927 on the Delage 15 S8(?) these wings were seated on the side of the car behind the rear suspension in certain specs, although going that far back it really does get hard to pin down when and where things are first done.
Scott thanks so much for the informative videos and staying away from all of the stupid controversy click bait content that some of these F1 channels are moving to. It’s so disappointing all of the division they are trying to primate between fans and their teams.
Those old 60s rear wings are hilarious.
Why ?
1:30 My dude invented the wing and DRS at the same time!
Most early wing setups were powered. They could be trimmed, and many were linked to the brake pedal to get max downforce or act as air brakes under braking. These adjustments though made them even more fragile. Jim Hall was nearly killed in Nassau driving his high winged Chaparral 2D by the actuating rod coming free- due to the twisting of the suspension mounted wing- allowing the wing to flip UP. Sports car wings were even more radical than the early F1 wings.
Kilograms is a unit of mass not force learned at 15 years old (in Canada anyway). Some might understand that gravity is 9.8 n/kg and there may be a professional convention to estimate effective force expressed as mass as in lbs then convert to SI, perhaps correct physics is worthwhile explaining to the many young fans out there just learning physics.
Wild and angry.... A great description of '80s F1 cars.
Excellent video
That March is straight up the most ridiculous F1 car I've ever seen. Everything from the rear wing, to the front... Wedge thing? And that absolutely comical intake is beautiful
The Lotus 98T is the most beautiful machine my eyes have ever seen, that black and gold livery sets it off and Senna as a driver, it's truly a legendary machine.
Congrats grata on the million subs!! totally deserved
1:03 that opel car doesn't have "inverted" wings, it has "regular" wings - so it's not making downforce
Can a “regular-wing” fly inverted ? If so (BTW, the answer is yes), a regular-wing CAN create downforce, even though it’s not optimized to do so.
Monaco 1995: McLaren introduced the wing on the back of the body work. Not Jordan in 1996😏
That Newey Leyton House with the 7up livery is my favorite looking car ever. It’s as bare minimum as it gets. So beautiful.
I know I'm supposed to be critical and say "You missed this" or "You missed that" but no, that's not what I'm here for. You're an amazing resource and trove of knowledge.
Q1: You talk about the Gurney Flap but... this was at least a full decade before Dan Gurney modified the stall part of the rear wing to get the more-perfect mix of downforce and drag. What was it called at that time prior to his involvement and who used it?
Q2: The JPS car at Laguna Seca. What??? When did F1 run at LS? That's "the" Corkscrew unless I'm losing my mind. That's the JPS car. Please do tell.
Love your commentary. Love your style.
Ehud in Tucson, Arizona, US
This channel is amazing at delivering facts I missed
13:45 yes. I honestly think that era from the late 90s through 08 were some of the best looking F1 cars ever.
Is that a very young James Allison at 09:52? 😳😁
Wry informative. Thank you 😊
The suspension arm mounted wing idea could help porpoising…
They were banned because they could not handle the downforce and mounting them on the uprights was good for unsprung wieght but suffered from vibration problems also causing failures.
Would you ever make a video that talks about the “ideal”fastest F1 car? Like no regulations involved, look at every era of F1 and piece together the “fastest” F1 car possible? I think that’d be really interesting to see which era had the best floor vs which had the best front wing and put it all together.
Yea, that'd be cool. Like if you put that team from Porsche's N-ring run onto making an F1 car as fast as possible.
14:31 Swear i've seen that slapped on the back of a Corsa 20 mins ago.
Wouldn't surprise me 😂😂
Brilliant video! :)
Very interesting, thanks 👍
Great video! More!
I want to see a video about the evolution of bargeboards. They've disappeared and re-appeared a few times since they were first introduced and I'd like to understand why.
It's all about controlling airflow down the side of the car. Taking messy tire squirt and feeding it toward to rear wing/diffuser.
@@rhyswilliams4893 Could you put that in video form? I can't read.
@@Catcrumbs I leave it up to Scott for that.
Congratulations on 1m
First manual DRS.
Is that a young James Allison at 9:52?
Magical video. 😀
I love the Arrows A2
I love those all-encompassing bodywork. An actual work of art!
I remember they canted the DFV engine forward to create more of a venturi shape to aid ground effect. nice idea but never really worked. I saw the Arrows A2 race at Hockenheim.
Bro got a manual DRS 💀🗿
I loved that gold Jordan!
The Opel did NOT have an inverted aircraft airfoil. The Airfoil was cambered with the curve going upwards -- like that of an aircraft. It provided LIFT. The cumber or curvature to create downforce, is to have a 'cup-like' design where the curve was closer to the ground. Inferring that it had an inverted airfoil, is incorrect,
Bernouli's Theorum should clear that up. -///
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How about this? ^ where the longer distance is on the top of the surface and thew concave bottom surface 'escapes' the airstream and therefor, moves slower. Slower means a higher pressure, faster is lower pressure. Hence, it can push upwards, drastically reducing lift.
00:58 The Opel Sand RAK programm was some really innovativ stuff that early, piloted by the bit crazy Fritz von Opel. It inspired Wernher von Braun, who later developed the V Rockets for the nazis and later the Saturn for Nasa.
The Wings on the Opel Sander RAK 2 actually generated not wanted lift.
Seems like too many rules only end up stifling innovation and creativity.
I think rules also create innovation and creativity.
Every single time Engineers found loopholes in rules and implemented some crazy ideas.
Eg.Venturri tunnels were removed due to safety but started using it now. From v12 to v6.
Driver69 back at it again
Those 2007/8 cars❤!
The Renault RE20 had a beautiful one piece box rear wing.
Renaults first turbo F1 car the RS01 driven and co designed by Jean-Pierre Jabouille. sadly Jabouille passed away yesterday aged 80. R.I.P.
I need to see if he does anything with pikes peak cars and the insane force required to work at altitude
I wish the fia made a different f1 series with chassis and width/length/height restrictions but let the engineers go wild
Should have mentioned the Renault RS10 from 1979
Question, would F1 be more exciting without the amount of downforce so that the cars corner like on rails. Should it encourage, or enable more overtaking etc.
It would not be more exciting, only slower
Good one!!
0:01 not just 500kg, i think it goes like 3 tons at high speeds
Front wing and rear wing are about a 500kg each, the underbody is over a tonne
3:43 👀
8:10 this was so much "fuck you and your rules" by Ferrari it was straight up disrespectful
I thought I saw a helicopter in the thumbnail💀
Edit, they changed it. It used to be a yellow/orange machine with 2 high mounted wings.
Back in the 1960's, Jim Hall built the Chapparal Chevrolet and proved that an upside down wing that pushed down a car, was just the thing you needed to increase the speed you could go around curves. Soon all the other race cars copied him.
Mid 2000's are still my definite favourite. Like, the west McLaren's, F2004 and R25... absolute works of engineering art.
And of course...
THE NOISE!!!!!
Innovative idea, ban, sums up f1
(01:00) About that attached aero-wing which inspired Swiss engineer Michael May to mount an inverted wing to create downforce -- Does everyone see that the first wing is creating _up-force..._ ?
_So close and yet so far._
"Having fun with a fin"
Ok, thanks, appreciated.
But, @driver61 & @ScarbsTech, when and how did the diffuser come about, because that impact the downforce as well, doesn't it?
Wtf I dont remember the Toleman-Hart having a double wing.. baffled.
It ran with and without it.
9:39 me too
Not to brag... But I've sat in that Senna Toleman 😊
Many did at the Goodwood festival of speed.
Wake up call: Jim Hall was running high wings on his Chaparral sports cars in 1967. And the wing struts were attach to the suspension uprights...and his didn't fail. F1 playing catchup and Scottie boi acting like they're the front of the pack.
12:09 didn't mclaren run a similar wing?
yes they did
@@alexandersmith7777 thanks.
This is the first F1 wing documentary on UA-cam that I don't need to mention the Opel rocket car.
The A-10 thunder bolt AKA wort hog looks a bit Silly but it will Rock your world 🌎 🇺🇲 🙏✔️
my favorite era of the F1 wing has to be the 1984 season triple wings to claw back downforce lost when groundeffect was banned and the 2000s low and wide rear wing
2021#Redbull @monza Honda wings✌️🔥
What happened with Ricky and last years F1 competition?
You would think that an upside down aircraft wing would be the most efficient.
What about the AMR2022 wasn't that a good wing too?🤔😂🚜
Mclaren did the engine cover wing before Jordan by a year. MP4-10B?C’mon, Driver61.
Driver69!!!
Is that James Allison @ 9:52 ?
Hello there! I hope everyone is having a good day!
I'm sure McLaren ran a mini wing on the engine cover in 95?
Congo for a million
I love that boomerang design. So weird.
The wing battle of F1 is mad!!!! Tell me more!!!!
man i love ferrari! they are like:"hmm, what is better than one wing? yea two wings xDD and i really never saw a f1 car with 2 rear wings like that.
Fuckin active aero in 1956
I always knew the Tyrell X wing as Tyrell Towers! Might’ve been a Dutch thing?!
Tyrrell was always trying new things. Anhedral front wings creating a better low pressure area under the car. running front wheels at the rear to lessen drag. six wheeler and much more.
WHY on earth do you talk about Jordan's 1996 winglet as if McLaren's 1995 winglet didn't exist?!? They came up with it!!
Mentioning the brabham fan car would've been nice.
Why, it's not related to wing downforce.
@@terrystevens5261 much like ground effect downforce. And a Fan is just some spinning wings
F1 regulations make the cars very expensive. This reminds me of the America’s cup monohulls. They cost tens of millions of dollars when a cheap catamaran could beat them. Fan cars could easily produce drastically more downforce including at corner slower speeds.
80's F1: C*caine is a hell of a drug.
Look like you need a bigger video. you last mentions were so intriguing.
An interesting video on a specific but you forgot the cooling fan! However, it is interesting to contemplate the effect of body shape on sports racing cars and the difficulties down force created there. While the wild and woolly entertainments of my lifetime caused great interest in their period current F1 is fairly devoid of interest as aerodynamics is of far more interest on an aircraft wing and F1 is only an adaptation. What is most interesting for those of us who grew up with the post war sport was engine, chassis, suspension, brakes and driver ability in machines that became safer. It lost a great deal when drivers could use their cars as tanks to drive into each other and that is why it has lost much support from developed motoring community. It is now as the late Sir Stirling Moss-declared ‘An event not a sport’ which for those of us who grew up with hero’s rather than businessmen is a great disappointment!
No credit given to @Animagraffs for using their amazing footage 🤨
They should start naming these as gniws because they're essentially reverse wings.
Jim Hall.
3:42 - sign "EBANO", means "fucked" in russian, LOL!
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It's amazing to think that when Tyrrell raced their X-wing car in 1997, it was already 20 years since the original Star Wars movie was released. Watching the constant design, build, get banned, and try something else cycle goes a long way to understanding why Formula 1 is such an expensive sport to participate in. I'd like to think that some of the tech that was born out of F1 made it into everyday devices, much like Teflon is thought to have come from the Apollo moon program. In actual fact, Teflon dates back to 1938. Google tells me that carbon fiber might be a good fit, but I don't know if that is fact or urban myth.
McLaren were the first to build a Carbon Fibre tub for F1 with the MP4.
It's kind of a shame that the FIA is so determined to set such rigid rules. It would be much more interesting to let engineers come up with clever ideas without banning them the instant they do. Now we have races with cars that at a first glance only differ in livery color, even though they have different shapes of sidepods and such. It stifles innovation and makes it so that if one team gets a winning formula early on, they basically win the championship by default. Unless they are Ferrari and just spin out at every race.