Mosin Nagant M91/30 PU Sniper to 800yds: Practical Accuracy
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WW2 Eastern Front, the Soviet Army was on its heels. It's said that if it weren't for the 420,000+ individuals who served as snipers, that the Wehrmacht would have a far greater degree of success in subjugating the Soviet Union.
Of the sniper rifles used, one of the most terrifyingly effective configurations was the Russian Mosin Nagant sniper rifle with the PU optic (originally developed for the SVT40).
So compared to our Mosin PU run we did a few years ago, how does this regular Mosin Nagant do in the field when compared to its arch nemesis, the Kar98k? How much does the new optic affect its effectiveness? We find out together!
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I have a buddy who has been using a mosin to fill out his deer tags for 20 years, it started because he was broke and needed to feed his family, but now he just trusts the rifle and it works.
Rifle is fine!
Sounds like the Simo Haya story. Please send your buddy my regards!
If it works....
My cousin bear hunts with a M38 and has for years.
I did the same with a passed down 1903…. Things got countless game to its name. I retired it about 15yrs ago.
LOL, the accidental barrel clang on the overhead guardrail... It happens when you're trying to move around an almost 5' long rifle...
I'm sure "barrel dings" weren't uncommon in Stalingrad - on BOTH sides 😏
lol I busted out laughing in the kitchen 😂
How many 'lines' is 5 feet?
@@yam83 making me do math... 600 lines
He apologizes to the rifle. We must keep the machine spirit appeased.
14:05 Fun fact: Half of my family is Russian and my dad grew up in Yakutsk, Syberia. He told me that when he was still a kid (80s-90s) there were a lot of Yakut veterans (asians, who live in these regions). A lot of them were snipers, because many of them were hunting since they were kids and they were really good at it. One of his neighbours was some decorated veteran that he made a school project about, unfortunately I don't remember his name.
Holy crap, isnt Yakutsk the coldest region on earth? Where you have to keep the car running if you park it outside less the machine would freeze? I am not surpised that a large community of hunters exists in such a region.
@@BrahmaDBAI mean probably more hunters because you can’t really grow things
@@BrahmaDBA yeah, my uncle got frostbite on a couple of his fingers, while trying to fix his car, because it broke somewhere in taiga. He got 4 fingers amputated after that, but somehow he fixed it. And yes, it is the coldest and yes, it's real that you have to keep your car running.
Maybe Vassili Zaitsev?
The Siberian sniper was named Semyon Nomokonov. His nickname was Taiga Shaman. He initially tallied his kills with notches on his pipe. He also trained a hell of a lot of snipers.
Texas Plinking posted a vid a while back. It was one of their 1,000yd 1 MOA target challenge vids where a dude with a mosin managed a hit.
While still obviously a insane challenge it was also with modern glass instead of PU like scope.
Funnily enough his name is Chad as well
"I did use hand loads."
GASP! The DRAMA!
Would be nice to know what powder and charge was used
But that takes the fun out of finding your own recipe!@@colinarmstrong1892
Urrrraaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Yes. A lot of ethnicities. A lot of asian-looking snipers, women-snipers.
Zhambyl Tulaev - buryat.
Fyodor Okhlopkov - yakut
Aliya Moldagulova - kazakh girl. KIA 18 years old.
etc.
The Soviet Union was a multicultural country.
Left out Lyudmilla Pavlechchenko, "angel of death", born in Kyiv
Most rural siberians were hunters, same as Zaitsev's family. So it wasn't ethnical but rather territorial.
@@Klovaneerethnic* or racial. Euroglish again 😑
@@Pakiu1306 que?
the amount of movement out of the plates shows just how much energy the tiny projectile delivers.
The 7.62x54r is basically the Russian equivalent to our 30-06
I think you meant the "Taiga Shaman" Semyon Nomokonov.
He was born on the Siberian steppes and trained to hunt with a rifle since he was 6. He joined the military in 1941 but wasn't a proper fighter at first but was instead dispatched as a carpenter who made splints and crutches for injured soldier. However upon once chance encounter, he shot a German soldier who was picking off men trying to drag the injured away during an engagement and to save the men from his battalion, Semyon countered the soldier who was about 300m without any scope and he felled the German down. That was when he was officially transferred to be a sniper and would later on train another 150 snipers.
He was also that rumoured fella that when he was sent to be a sniper, his superiors were skeptical that a man like him was even fit to be a sniper. When he was asked to shoot a bottle that was placed 100m, he didn't even bother. He took the rifle, shot into the wild and returned the rifle. Just as the officers were going to kick him out for failing even such a simple task of shooting a bottle which were basic sniper criteria, he simply walked into the woods and came back with a dead squirrel with a bullet wound right thru it and still bleeding.
That was when they realized that Semyon was a master behind a rifle that he could shoot at such a small target, in the frosty winter, without any optics to boot either.
what a shit
The longest lasting legacy of RA3 is that soviet theme.
So true. I had to use shazam to figure out what this odd melody was about. It's like - it's not a Soviet song... Maybe some old Russian march, but a bit too fast... And then oh - videogames. Funny thing is there are custom Russian lyrics to it that are completely bonkers.
As far as rifles go nobody in Russia ever called it a "Mosin Nagant", it's a completely Western designation. It was "the rifle". Or a "three line rifle " if you wanted to be formal. I think "three line" refers to the bore diameter. They are definitely very respected rifles and yes still in use in conflicts by different armies and militias. I've never seen one in person though.
i think it was in the World in Conflict addon before.
I just picked up a 1944 Finnish Capture 91/30, came with a Russian 4x Scope, glad to see these results, you guys put on an awesome show! Cheers!
Was it Finnish refurbished? Or refinnished you could say
@@murphy7801 definitely Finnished minus the stock and front sight post 👍
I’ve got a Finnish m-39 that was refurbished by sako in the 70’s. I got a brass stacker rail and a vortex scout scope and it’s my absolute favourite
The Finn’s really knew what they were doing, sounds like you got lucky too
I love my Mosin, shoots accurately and discovered it was originally a PU. So I found all original parts and converted it back to its true form. I enjoy it even more after that project and am proud of that rifle.
I wonder what the standard was for snipers that had their scope removed during the refurbishment process. In any case, I guarantee that many of us mosin-collectors have considered restoring an ex-PU Sniper with a proper mount/scope. It's pretty badass that you actually did it!
Great find!
I have a piece of crap mid war 1943 one. It cycles very nicely. It really is a piece of junk, but I do love its historical nature, as the decades pass they will become true antiques
How much did the gunsmith charge you to do it? I’m going to reconvert my ex PU also
Very timely, I'm taking my 91/30 out to a service rifle match tomorrow, and this was just the kind of motivation I needed to do my best. I'll channel Henry as best I can.
So, results?
In 2000, I purchased my first C&R Tula 1943 Sniper for $550. I've only taken out to 600 yards. I'm kinda limited with range being that I'm on an island in the middle of the Pacific. 600 yards is pretty good being that I'm on privately owned land too😉 About 2 months later I purchased a 1946 Izhevsk M44 for $65. Arrived cosmoline which I thought was pretty cool. I take my Carbine out on hog hunts especially when I wanna switch up from my bow. Mostly use a bow. I don't use dogs. I enjoy the challenge! Bout 5 years ago, I purchased a Tula 1895 Nagant revolver made in 1936. It too came cosmoline. Not bad for $65. My C&R License has been AWESOME for the past 2 decades. Never thought I'd be purchasing Russian, Polish, and Czech firearms. All have be GREAT!!!!! Things are getting pricey though. Bummahs 😂
Great videos guys. My Grandfather fought for the Kaiser in The Great War. He was involved in the "Christmas Truce", then he was shipped to the Eastern Front where he used a Mosin Nagant. All of the photos that I have of him, shows him and his buddies with Mosins.
To honor him, I bought a hex receiver Mosin (c.1934), and it shoots surprisingly well.
Thank you for your videos! Great stuff!
I've been waiting for the Mosin PU Sniper redemption run, ever since Henry teased it in the Wasteland Shuffle challenge vid. This was great to see, watching this veteran workhorse ring steel with a capable marksman behind her. Not to mention, listening to Josh having a lot more fun than usual in spotting was a treat.
Great run, Capt. Chan and Mr. Mazzola!
Roza Shanina is the woman on the thumb nail, if anyone is curious. The other woman I can't tell.
What's her @?
@@nono-jj9rr lol 🤣 good one
@@nono-jj9rr If she was born today she'd have an OF.
Lyudmila Pavlichenko?
Incredible women.
Using up pressure at the muzzle to help with barrel whip…I’m having Bloke on the Range flashbacks
I bought my 1946 Izhevsk M44 for $69 in 2000. You could get two tins of ammo for like forty dollars too. This was the first “real” rifle I fired, by which I mean the sort that turns your shoulder into red spider webs when you look at it the next day. I love it.
I love the Mosin videos. I was 20 yrs old in 1994 when I bought my Mosin. I was a LCpl stationed at MCAS Cherry Point and bought it in Morehead City at a Roses Dept. store for about $100. It came in a wooden crate filled with some sort of straw. The rifle was packed with what I thought was axle grease. Took forever to get it cleaned up. I bought a couple boxes of the old brown paper and twine wrapped ammo when I purchased the rifle. I had no idea that it was Russian or even what it was. The guy at the counter told me it was an old WW1 Rifle and that it was "like a poor mans 30-06. When I finally took it out and shot it it was great. I have never touched the front sight post in the 30 yrs Ive had it. It always shoots great. and is way more accurate than I ever thought it would be. That same year I read One Shot One Kill, the Carlos Hatchcock book and found out that the Cobra and many N. Vietnamese Snipers used it. Later Enemy at the Gates came out. Then I really appreciated it. Now seeing it well over 100 yrs old still in use in Ukraine just goes to show the durability of the Mosin Nagant. What a great old Rifle.
I have a Mosin that I bought back when you could get them for about $120. It was part of a crate that a just-beyond-local pawn shop had gotten in and they would let you check each one out to have your pick. I took the one that had the cleanest, sharpest rifling and a near-perfect crown. The stock is ugly and the finish is peeling, but it absolutely shoots the lights out. I gave the trigger a light polish to get rid of any grittiness, and sanded the barrel channel in the stock to "float" the barrel (just enough that you can run a dollar bill between the barrel and stock), and that's it. It's one of my favorite rifles to shoot.
I picked two up for 90 a piece about 10yrs ago. One is a Tula “hex receiver” made pre ww2 when the materials and quality control were much nicer than the rushed more common round receivers made mid war in a hurry bc of the shortage. Both shoot great
@@-B_G- Around 2013, at that price, are you sure? I assume they were covered in cosmoline for a price like that.
@@GusDubetz - 100%. The gun shop had boxes on boxes in the back.
@@GusDubetz
Just a few years before (2009-2010) that I could buy them in a case for less than $100.°°. At a gun store near where I was living. I just didn't have the space and time to mess with them. I should have made the space for one case.
My father brought back a Mosin sniper rifle (1944) from Vietnam (1968) as a war trophy. It was missing the scope but still had the mountiong bracket and screw on the receiver. Also have the war trophy paperwork to bring the weapon home.
First, good run.
Secondly, as you stated the Soviet war machine did do a good job on standardization of the Mosin sniper.
Thirdly, I really must say that their are very few things as enjoyable as a fresh cosmoline mosin and a spam can of 7.62x54R. I still remember the smell.
Thank you, both.
Strength and Courage
Josh doing a good Adam driver impression calling for "More"
I'd say It's more like an "Agent Smith" impression. No one cares about Disney Star Wars.
The main reason for the counterboring isn't because of corrosion. It's because of the steel cleaning rods and the soldiers cleaning from the muzzle. They destroyed a lot of them that way.
I have owned Mosins since the late 90's and early 2000's, back when you could get them as cheap as $29 with an 07FFL from Century Arms, but I can't say I've ever really been a fan of them and traded them all away. Recently I was given a few of them and I still had 9 cases of both light and heavy ball ammo so I've been getting reacquainted with them.
I got an $80 Bad Ace scout scope mount off Amazon that replaced the rear sight leaf and installed a Vortex Crossfire 2-7x scout scope. I've only had it out to 250 yards but hits on 10" plates are boringly easy with surplus ammo. I'm considering getting one of the shim kits to see if that helps it even more.
Amazing shooting and spotting, as always. Thanks for the videos.
Look inside a M39 Finn Mosin. All kinds of little shims and trigger mods. Excellent accuracy.
This rifle brought back memories of what I read about Simo Häyhä. . . never used a scope on his rifle but used a stolen Soviet iron sight, still manage to score 505 kills in World War II during the 1939-1940 Winter War against the Soviet Union.
15:34 That hand posture there .. I'm gonna screenshot it and made him hold a guitar. . .
he got most of his kills with a sub machine gun and not the Mosin with iron sights.
The reason he didn't use a scope was to keep a lower profile.
Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the best soviet female sniper, she was known for her double tap from Mosin Nagant. She was able to hit for 100m in stance twice, (from bolt rifle) before dead german soldier hit the ground
I agree that the Mosins were given a bad reputation because they were inexpensive and most people that purchased them didn't know how to shoot them accurately. My Finnish Mosin turned in an amazing 2 inch 5 round group. While watching this video I pulled up my pictures from 2013. My Russian 91/30 Mosin turned in 4 inch groups. I shot both of these rifles in historic military firearms competitions. The M44, I borrowed, belonged to a friend, I turned in a OK group at 100. I didn't beat him but I didn't embarrass myself. I took my Mosins to the range multiple times a week in the 20 teens. I shot it well. It was annoying listening to and reading comments from people that sucked at shooting about how terrible the Mosin was as a rifle. I'll post some target pics from those years on my page.
No they got a bad reputation because when you compare a Mosin to the smooth action of Krag Rifle, a M1903, a M1917, a Arisaka, or most Mausers, yeah that cycling action is crap
A lot of it just care; cosmoline is bad for rifles and people would buy these rifles that had sat in it for decades without properly cleaning it first. It's the number one cause of the sticky bolt on 91/30's.
@@92HazelMocha Exactly. I disassembled my bolt and dropped it in boiling water. Then cleaned it with Simple Green and lubed and cleaned it.
Henry 'The Sniper Shaman' did awesome!
"Russian current service rifle"
as a comparison with surplus 54R ammo, when i swapped my PU to new wolf steel case 54R, group sizes were halved instantly and no more corrosive to deal with
I have a finnish 91/30 with iron sights and handloads with Hornady 150 grain .308 spire points, I and my brother in law each shot 10 shot groups at 100 meters benched. The groups overlapped on the targets and made a 1.25 inch 20 shot group. Astounding!
You do realize that Russian 3 line rifles are .310 nominal and not .307 for 7.62x 51.
That was way better than the last one. - this is a lot better example of what you can expect from a Mosin PU… the PEM is the best of the Mosin snipers… nice come back Henry!
Edit: do a real trigger job and that will obviously change the entire world for that rifle. I can make an adjustable for you from factory parts with no obvious or permanent modifications. 1-5lb adjustable.
If you want? I’ll do one for you for free, just reply to this comment- “this offer only applies to 9 Hole”
I’ll make the parts, send them to you and you install… it’s a pretty straightforward install.
Just make a video about how to do it
Superb stuff! An idea for future content could be "rifle redemption", where y'all review a platform that initially performed poorly and then diagnose/fix and reshoot the platform to see if things improved. It would be really interesting to learn if the base weapon was borked from birth, if optic/ammo was to blame, or if more "behind the sights" time changed things. Oh, and #newslettergang.
I'd agree with that; one worth a nomination would be taking the Type 99 Arisaka back on the course; having the advantage of his own rifle that he can better zero beforehand rather that not fussing with a friends rifle would likely lead to a decent improvement.
AR guys definitely want this to happen
the mosin seems to be a really good indicator towards the value of the market not always being equal to the value the shooter gets out of the rifle
22:30 henry becoming a proud dremel and a dream gunworks gun smith
Looks like Mosins just went up in value.
They are overpriced rn. Imo a old weapon that probably got bodies on it going for 700 give me a break at a certain point its stupid . Yeah i appreciate history but these things are just rifles at the end of the day long heavy hard to carry for extended period and they arent necessarily rare people are just hoarding scrap metal and ak 47 kits these days are 500 dollars for incomplete rust . Please stop paying these dumb prices so a mosin isnt just as much as a svd . Make it make sense
agreed. I have all but given up on milsurps. I would like to acquire a mosin and much else but at current prices i am better off just buying new fiaharms that come with warranty especially since there are no licenses guhn smiths in my area. Not even in nearby towns. I have a only three milsurps and I am lucky they were the least collectable of the milsurps. Thank goodness some Czech mausers are affordable@@reefread1234
@@reefread1234 Too late, we're officially in the "collectable" phase of the rifle's existence.
That Soviet March impersonation by Henry was spot on hahaha.
The Red alert theme intro w enemy at the gates earned alone earned a like from me!!
Josh calling "more" was so fun.
Shooter/spotter dynamic is on point compared to when you started. Great shooting. :)
Henry Sniper Shaman Chan 😉
Your channel is so entertaining, as well as informative and educational. Keep it up!
Ah, I've been waiting for this one! All the better that it's not even an original sniper barrel.
My 91/30 was the first rifle I bought, back in the middle of the Mosin craze on YT some 10 years ago.
Probably shot some 3000 rnds through it by now, and I've become a bit bored so I recently converted it to a PE sniper.
I still have to tame the barrel whip, but so far it's a 2 moa rifle. Once I move out and have the working space, I'll start fiddling with handloads and see where I can get it
Excerpt (pg.19) from Sniper on the Eastern Front: The Memoirs of Sepp Allerberger, Knight’s Cross:
"Who knows what quirk of fate operated that I should discover in that great heap of Russian weapons a sniper’s rifle which had been captured by my company and, overlooked, had not been sent on to the rear collection centre. It was a Moisin Nagant 91/30 model. At once I petitioned the chief armourer for permission to practice with the weapon.
There was Russian ammunition available in plenty and the far-sighted warrant officer said:
‘Show what you can do, perhaps you’re a born sharpshooter. We can use men like that to keep Ivan on his toes. You know yourself how their snipers make our lives a misery.’
I grasped the opportunity gratefully and that same evening began to
practice. After a few days I found that my aim was unerring. Apparently without effort I could hit a matchbox at 100 metres and the wooden lid of an ammunition box with sides 30cm long at 300 metres. The chief armourer confessed himself impressed.
My wound was healing well and all too soon my fourteen days’ convalescence came to an end. With orders to return to my company, I reported to the chief armourer to take my leave of him.
Handing me a PU 4x magnification telescopic sight of Russian manufacture he said,
‘Sepp, I have spoken to your company commander and told him about your shooting ability. He has no objection to your testing your luck as a sniper. So, Junge, show Ivan what you can do!’"
Sepp would go on to become the second highest scoring Wehrmacht sniper after Mathias Hetzenauer, with at least 257 confirmed kills.
it's a great book. haunting, but unabashed of the horrors and rigors of the Eastern front.
One off the best books i have ever read
the music and the proud Henry march just cracked me up :D
Edit to add Awesome shooting, I have never seen a mosin shoot that well.
The 91/30 I owned for a few years back in the 90's was awful. Accurate enough, but after 6 or 7 rounds you needed a damn mallet to open the thing! The chief R/O at my club used to joke I was the only bloke who ever turned up with a loading hammer! Lol.
Usually means there was still some cosmoline in the action. Too bad you got rid of it!
@@PRussell303 or that the bolt lugs and barrel weren't machined to the best tolerance. not unsafe, just sticky.
@@PRussell303 trust me mate, there was no cosmoline on that action, I spent three hours getting every last bit of the action clean as a whistle. It was just once it got warm, it wanted to jam up. Probably dodgy heat treatment of the bolt lugs. I don't regret getting rid, I got a Finnish made one instead. Lovely old gun that was!
@@spudgunn8695yeah probably a war made one. They had some very Dodgy heat treating going and poor manufacturing.
@@murphy7801 yeah, 1942 manufactured, probably just after they had to shift all the factories eastwards.
That was fun to see it do well. I enjoy my $90 91/30. It is kind of nice to take a break from more modern rifles and hunker down behind that long rifle with irons and some nice recoil.
The mosin is the epitome of "ain't broken, don't fix it. Is broken, still fucking works so it ain't broken"
I have a mosin that I installed an aftermarket long-eye relief scope on from amazon. I've hit targets out to 600 yards no problem. These rifles are way more accurate than they get credit for.
Ok so we need to call him the sniper shaman now
Cant tell you how excited I was to see this in my feed, thanks Sniper Shaman and Shorts Guy!
Vintovka mosina! Is good rifle.
I love it when creators come together. From Gun Jesus to 9-Hole’s range; dare I say comrades in arms?
Love the Super Troopers call back.
I must have missed it.
@@sinisterthoughts2896Talking about the zero in the beginning
Forgotten Weapons talked about this just yesterday.
They've coordinated before.
It is almost like this was planned, as if they are giving away the same rifle!
Shaman chan ❤
Great Job! This was wonderfully fun to watch. You haven't done one of these shoots in a while, and I think you both missed it. One of the things I noticed was the degree of assistance Henry got. Thanks Guys!
Love the enthusiasm josh, really made it so much fun!
Nice shooting, comrade Генри Чан.
We love Genry don't we folks?
🫡
Speaking of guns not holding zero, I picked up an almost brand new Rossi 1886 Winchester clone for $400 on the consignment rack at my local gun store. I asked why it was going for so cheap and the owner didn't know, just new the guy wanted to get rid of it and had priced it really low. Took it home and put it on the bench and quickly figured out why. The elevation was consistent but the poi would shift drastically left and right, even so much that on one shot I hit the target a full 1 foot right of poa. Looking carefully at the gun and realized that the front sight was drifting in its dovetail considerably, almost to the point of falling out. Well, that explained the reason the guy sold it so cheap, a small punch and a couple of light taps on the edge of the dovetail solved that problem. I set the zero and ran some habdloads through it and my last group was just over 1 in at 100 yards open sighted. :)
nice find and fix.
I'll bite. When did Rossi make an 86 clone?
I feel that you have to love the Mosin because despite being the worst bolt action of WW1, it became the longest surviving of all.
I also love the SMLE and the Swede Mauser,
All for different reasons.
Thanks for another great video.
Hamish
Got also a Mosin Sniper but with an original PEM, i'd love to see him try the course with that version. And i must say, they look much cooler
I own two Mosin 91/30"s. One is a PU and both are Izzies. My sight base and scope are Chinese made but work very well. The mount locking screw did indeed have a plain, metric cap screw that I had to grind down to a round and Dremel the slot. Parkerizing and black exhaust paint did wonders for the appearance. Counterboring is just like having a flash hider on the barrel with no noticeable difference.
Always cool to see the trails the bullet leaves at longer ranges.
Superb! And since FW was mentioned, yesterday Ian did a video on "rifles of Enemy At The Gates."
I'm no expert, but wasn't grinding a hardware bolt chucked into a drill press with a file and then grinding a notch into the head, then jamming part of an ammo box under the barrel considered factory spec???
Dude, I'm so happy to see someone get a garbage rod to perform well. I have two along with a gazillion rounds; I'm anxious to get working on them now!
Good job and great video! Thanks, Zk
Very happy you came back to the PU Mosin! Your 174gr SMKs are they .308 or .311 diameter? Also any idea on wherre you got the scope? 😅
Cannot wait with what you got planned 👍
I purchased a 91/30 years ago (not sure how many, so I'll just say "years") at my local USAF Base Exchange for $90, just because. It had all the accessories, sling, bayonet, ammo pouches, etc. It, too, had cosmoline (spelling?) all over it. I took it to a local gunsmith to give it a "once over", and he said after bore-scoping the barrel, it appeared to him that this rifle had never been fired (and most likely never issued). There's no optics on it, but it shoots very well with the iron sights at my local range. I am considering the counter boring you mentioned, and the possibility of adding a bent-bolt and optics. I have 3 "spam cans" of surplus ammo, and a few hundred rounds of various other brands and bullet weights. Who knows, maybe mine will shoot as well as yours one day, but with me behind the rifle, I doubt it.😉😄
no need to counter bore if the barrel isn't damaged.
It's still a nice rifle, but the best assembled is the latest Hungarian type, shoots well if you reload the ammunition at home, however the original scopes no longer exist, there are good Chinese copies, but also not good copies.
This rifle shoots so well that during the war in Chechnya, Russia, military sharpshooters took the best rifles from their arsenals and repurposed them,
I had three Russian Nosin Nagant rifles, one of which was new to the arsenal and they were excellent.
Hello from Italy.
The production quality of these videos are second to none. Thanks for keeping me entertained at work.
I've seen people get a sticky Kar98k bolt (including InRange....), I don't know how, a little bit of lubrication on the bearing surfaces, and the surface is slick as glass. I think people just run Mosin bolts sticky or something, as you said, you cleaned the chamber and it was fine all of a sudden. It's an 80 year old rifle at this point, if people would clean these things it probably wouldn't need a claw hammer to get the bolt open. They probably wouldn't have used them for over a hundred years if the bolt didn't run properly. Also, I watched a documentary where they tested the whole "Mauser bolt lubricant freezing in Stalingrad" thing, and there does appear to be truth in it. It did indeed seize up when they tested it under sub-zero conditions, the Mosin bolt did not, not sure if the authenticity but it obviously makes sense if your lubricant doesn't have a low enough freeze point for the ambient temperature.
Really enjoy the two of you. Funny and clearly both of you are good friends.
Thanks Guys, I feel my defense of the Mosin all these years as been vindicated. Unfortunately my little old shoulders can no longer tolerate the recoil so I have to use a lead sled now. Cast lead reloads help but only for a little while.
Super sick content of a classic Mosin Nagant! I would however like to add a suggestion, and that is, I would like to see the course run, with small local made AR Manufacturers, or other type MSR platforms maybe even some bolt guns. not necessarily your local Mfg's but Mfg's from allover the USA. To give the local Mfg's bit of credit and recognition. Such as my back yard of London, Kentucky Hawk Creek Armory AR-15. Just a suggestion
Good idea. My local manufacturers are FN and PSA.
Most "local made" AR's are just assembled from OEM parts that are rebranded. In a few cases parts may be machined to a company's specs/designs. There's very few real manufacturers of AR-15 parts. You can be an AR "manufacturer" and never own a single CNC machine.
A good shooter spotter combo is an impressive thing to behold.
The fact that companies are making chassis for the mosin says alot.some of them look bloody slick to
Nyet! Rifle is fine.
Moving to the ak was a mistake! hahaha in the vien of nyet rifle iz fine
Great session and redemption!
I had heard the counterboring was done mostly because of crown damage from rough cleaning from the muzzle with steel cleaning rods.
Steel cleaning rods
Corrosive ammo
Environmental exposures and combat
These were likely all contributing factors.
@@raupleminze As someone who owns a couple of Mosins I am definitely betting on the first two.
Steel cleaning rods from the muzzle will destroy any rifle. And after years of owning them I can firmly say the corrosive ammo is bullshit incarnate.
I have no idea why the Soviets insisted on using the stuff. Sure corrosive ammo keeps practically forever in those sealed tins that were all the rage.
But it has no other redeeming qualities. And will eat through a rifle within hours of using. Just in the time it takes to get back home from the range you can see superficial surface damage.
They are the only rifles I own that I have to clean at the range. God alone knows how the poor bastards at the Eastern Front managed.
@@clothar23 water, then oil immediately, you get the salt out of the rifle as soon as practical.
@@r.gilman4261 The Soviet Union managed to issue every soldier with enough oil to keep their rifles from degrading ?
The same Soviet Union that had enough logistical issues that the First Man in line gets rifle meme had some credence.
@@clothar23 That may be true about the Soviets and oil, it is also irrevelant. The problem with just using oil after firing corrosive that the salt is still there in the bore, and if lose that oil and any point the salt will suck up moisture form the air and pitting will happen. That is why AFAIK G.I. bore cleaner still has water in it to this day.
the Mosin really does deserve more respect than it usually gets. it's not a "fine" rifle, but it is a good rifle. as in, it isn't refined, polished, handy or overly ergonomic. but it reliably delivers a powerful cartridge down range with better accuracy than most think. it does everything a rifle is expected to do, at the lowest price and parts count possible to still do so. it's not the rifle Russia wanted at the time, but it was the rifle they needed. the design criteria was to make a simple and inexpensive smokeless rifle, and it did this very well. it wasn't even worst in class, because for as unsavory as it may seem, it still performs better with less issue than a Carcano.
Carcanos are better. And by the 1940's, the Mosin wasn't particularly cheap for a rifle. Too many small parts that need to be machined. It was the only bolt-action rifle they knew how to build, that's all.
Josh @ 4:33: I hear a Bomb explosion
Henry: fires immediately - Impact 🔥👍
As always thanks for the upload. 😁
Can't wait to see these Mosin snipers in action. I found one at an estate sale with the original mount but no scope. I ordered the same repro from Russia.
Nice spotting! Roza Shanina would be proud.
My little 1946 M44 shoots surprisingly well and accurate too with box ammo and when I have my glasses on. The Mosin is a wonderful rifle. Sure the bolt is clunky but I polished mine and spent a couple hours with a dremel removing burrs. It is SO much better.
Nice shootin' Tex!
Muzzle wear was also attributable to steel cleaning rods used from the muzzle end.
Nice review! Love my hex receiver Izzy. Looked through some of your videos and while you've done a WW II Enfield, it would be interesting to see an Ishapore Enfield in.308 do the course and compare it to WW II Enfield...
Regarding ammunition, the (apocryphal?) story that I heard was that snipers would try to source 7.62x54R that was originally destined for the VVS's fighters, as they were loaded to a tighter tolerance to ensure reliable function under the 1800rpm cyclic of the ShKAS aircraft machineguns.
AFAIK this should be a fake. Primary shkas ammunition was a hot-loaded api, which doesn't work well with any infantry weapons of that era designed for lower pressure rounds. There was a video on UA-cam where someone tried to shoot one of this rounds from the Mosin, and the bolt instantly jammed. It couldn't do any good for the barrel either
My favorite thing about the PU is the consistent neck weld and also the buttery smooth action
THANKS GUYS !! LOVE my Mosins. Much appreciated.
Great video!! Can we do a long range scope comparison, best glass for $500, $1000, $1500 and maybe no budget comparison
Definitely into the break down of mosin snipers.
Great video!
As a CNC machinist , i can appreciate the bolt modification ingenuity .
Who remembers the days of $25 Mosins in the back of Shotgun News. Ahh, the 70’s. They can keep the clothing and hair styles though.
“Tuned” (Home Depot bolt)
“Accurized” (cardboard)
“Performance Adjusted” (counter bored)
Instructions unclear, I only got a clip as a weapon?
Whenever someone mentions that in the recent past you could buy a Mosin and 1k rounds for like $150... I get a little sad
I had to click LIKE when I heard the music and laughed like a drain when he said "Russian current service rifle"...
I have a Finish capture 1897 Mosin Nagant( matching numbers) that I have had for a long time with that counter bore. For the longest time I didn't know why the muzzle was like that. I only learned why just recently.
I know it was Finnish capture because it had one Finn marking and the rear sight has meters on one side and archons on the other side and came from a Finn arsenal sale.
That counterboring is a lot like the "match crown" stuff that happens on target pistols, just a lot more aggressive.
Counter boring the muzzle end is getting to be standard practice on modern firearms.