"How many people have you killed?" "I never killed people, only Nazis" "And when you shot them, did you felt a thing?" "Recoil" - attributed to Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
In Lyudmila's book there are several interesting tidbits. - Her Mosin was reworked by herself, to further separate the wood from the barrel - There is one case described where she chose her SVT, and it worked (they crawled like a whole sniper platoon onto an enemy position and obliterated it) - One of her advantages was that she could do ballistic tables and work the scope. When she was leader she would prepare the scopes for other members of the team that could not do it. - She was extremely candid when talking about nationalities. - She talks about another woman who served as a machinegunner, and she was pretty angry at her and thought she was insane (like holding fire until the enemy assault was right on top of their position) - The whole psychology is fascinating. You can actually perceive her losing it a bit due to the weight of war. At some point, she talks about just wounding enemy soldiers and then watching them.
@@OntarioBearHunter Oh, she had a lot to say about Romanians.: Through the eyepiece of my telescope sight I often saw their swarthy, hooked- nosed, half-Gypsy, half-Oriental features. Antonescu may have maintained that the Romanians were heirs of ancient Rome, but from the fifteenth century the Wallachian kingdom had in fact been under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. If anyone had an influence on the nation’s population, it was the Turks, who had maintained garrisons in major cities almost to the 1870s, had their own trade and forced the Romanians to serve in their army. There were still many Gypsy bands roaming freely through the towns and villages of that peasant country. Clad in uniforms of a sandy grey colour and pudding-basin helmets or cloth kepis with a comical double-peaked crown, at the beginning of August 1941 the Romanians conducted themselves in an extraordinarily confident and carefree manner, displaying contempt for the rules of war. They strode around their lines fully upright, made no attempt to maintain military security in all areas, conducted inadequate reconnaissance and deployed units from the rear (medical battalions, kitchens, tethering posts, strings of carts, workshops, etc.) close to the front line. In a word, they created excellent conditions for sharpshooters. It was not surprising that my sniper’s tally grew day by day. Also, this is from her memoir when given a dedicated SVT-40 with PU for her 100th kill: ‘Have you been in the army long, Lyudmila Mikhailovna?’ he asked. ‘No, Comrade Major-General. I joined as a volunteer at the end of June.’ ‘And what were you before that?’ ‘I was studying at Kiev University. History faculty, fourth year.’ ‘You handle a rifle superbly,’ Petrov remarked. ‘I graduated with distinction from the Osoaviakhim sniper school in Kiev,’ I reported clearly. ‘Are you Ukrainian?’ He asked this in a strange, disgruntled tone. ‘No, Comrade Major-General!’ I replied quickly, for these questions of nationality always irritated me. ‘I’m Russian. My maiden name is Belova. I am Pavlichenko only by marriage.’
@@cargueconcuidado Thanks. Although I don't think many Romani served in the Romanian army, firstly because they were not trusted and secondly because most of their population in Romania today was then in the Hungarian area assigned during ww2, the Germans saw them as the second best force on the eastern front , better than the Hungarians. In my opinion, the fact that they had logistics close to the front could also be the reason that they had a much lower level of motorization than Germany or the USSR.
Semyon Nomokonov was very cunning, he was a hunter from the wild Siberian places, but he started as a medic and then became a sniper. His friend was shot by a German sniper and Semyon volunteered to eliminate him and did so. After he shot a German general in 1942, the Germans sent professional snipers to eliminate him, and Semyon eliminated them one by one, among them there was one young girl sniper, so much so that other professionals refused to duel with him, realizing that they would lose .
@@AlexandroneF then it was obviously exaggeration. The Soviets did that a lot. And you see it until today that the Russian army is still exaggerating everything. it starts with men bursting about their success and then everyone in the line of command adds a few meters as if it means that he himself helped to do the job.
I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but if I do you say one of the Snipers sent out to hunt Nomokonov was a young girl? That is insanely unlikely since the German army didn't have women in such roles.
For those further curious about indigenous Soviet snipers, there also was Fyodor Okhlopkov of Sakha people with 429 credited sniper kills and 27 uncredited machine gun kills.
Fyodor Okhlopkov is generally considered the best infantryman of World War II, 1000+ killed fascists, 429 fascists with a sniper rifle alone, and he owned many types of weapons: machine gun, mortar, etc.
Вы показали самых медийных, разрекламированных снайперов. Василий Зайцев стал символом сопротивления в Сталинграде и почти все победы одержал там. Потом его убрали на более спокойное место, так как не могли позволить чтобы немцы убили символ. То же самое с Павлюченко - она символ обороны Крыма и Севастополя. Для справки. Самыми результативные снайперы СССР: Сурков Михаил Ильич - 702 победы, Салбиев Владимир Гаврилович -601 и Кванчатирадзе Василий Шалвович - 534 победы. Это счёт учитывающий только количество. Но важно ещё и качество. Помню я читал про инструктора у советских снайперов, к сожалению забыл его имя, он был капитан или майор. Он был профессионал высочайшего класса. И занимался только контр снайперской борьбой. У него за 3 года войны ( он погиб в 1944 году) " всего" около 50 побед. Но почти все из них - снайпера противника.
Зайцева не убирали, он воевал от начала и до конца, возглавлял школу снайперов (он обучил не один десяток новых стрелков, каждый из которых внёс вклад), командовал миномётным взводом, затем был командиром роты. Он участвовал в освобождении Донбасса, в битве за Днепр, сражался под Одессой и на Днестре. Май 1945 года капитан В. Г. Зайцев встретил в Киеве - снова в госпитале.
Lyudmilla Pavlichenko and Eleanor Roosevelt remained friends. Ms Roosevelt toured Moscow some 15 yrs later and was able to see Lyudmilla and renew their friendship.
Okay, whose name I could personally add to is - Ivan Kulbertinov, with his score of 487 kills. He was born in 1917 in small village of Tyanya, Olekminsk region of Yakutia (Sakha). My grandfather, Mikhailov Vasiliy was acquaintance of that renowned sniper (my granddad was from Tokko, a small village located very close to Tyanya, and he was also born 1917, so they knew each other well enough before the war had unleashed). The story of Ivan Kulbertinov (as well as many other Far Eastern small ethnicities like buryats (Nomokonov alike) or yakuts (Kulbertinov alike)) is that they grew as hunters, since it was their way of living. Kulbertinov, sadly, didn't get any renown as The Hero of Soviet Union, although he was nominated twice. The reason why that didn't happen is (according to my granddad) was Kulbertinov's short temper when it came to racial jokes. Kulbertinov didn't just take in jokes about him being a short Asian after decommissioning after the war during his long journey back home, and had a serious conflict with an officer who was making racist jokes in the train heading east from Germany. At one of the stops, he wounded that officer, stopping the insults, but thus, making himself unworthy that Hero medal. After the war, Kulbertinov continued to earn for his life and for his family as a simple hunter, just as he was before the war. Personal part: Especially this video hit me hard (the Nomokonov smoking part), because i remember how my granddad used to be smoking A LOT. I remember how i was lighting up his tobacco and even trying to make it burn, first tasting the tobacco smoke when i was about 7 or 8 in 1998, when he lost his vision. I know this whole demeanor (asking your grandchild to light up and smoke a tobacco for you) sounds absolutely bizarre for nowadays standards, but... Come on, my granddad himself told me it was his dad back in early 1920s, who asked him to light up a tobacco for him, so my granddad became a tobacco smoker as early as about 10 years old. And he lived until 2007, when he reached his 90. During the war, he began as a simple infantryman, then he became a machine-gunner, and, by the end of the war, he became a chief of a mortar squad, because of his excellent aiming capability. I learned all of it only years after his death in 2007, when the archives were made public, and i was able to find his details in that scans. During his life, he never liked to talk about the war. Instead, he always was refocusing my conversations with him towards my possible peaceful future, asking whom i would like to become, or why did i chose to become an engineer, et cetera. May you all live in peace.
A note about confirmed kills in the red army. A sniper kill was counted as confirmed if the sniper was the only one shooting at the target. So none of kills that happened during an active combat, where there's a lot of guys shooting at the enemy, will be counted at the sniper scores we see today. Rosa shanina complained about that in her diary, giving an example when she and a recon squad saw a small group of Germans 150m away and decided to shoot them down. As she described "sure, all of us were shooting, but what are chances that the recon guys, who haven't cleaned or zeroed their rifles for months, killed them, and what chances that it was me, with a well-calibrated rifle and scope"
I do wonder how rigorous the confirmation process is in "confirmed" kills; if it's just "me and my spotter both saw the guy go down", there's a lot of room for error. It's not _impossible_ for these guys to have gotten triple digit kill counts, given the shear number of people fighting, but likewise, given the intensity of the fighting, I assume they didn't always have the luxury of sticking around to see if somebody they hit got back up. I'm reminded of a story about how a certain fighter squadron (can't remember if it was RAF or AAF) reported hundreds of ground kills after providing air cover for a large battle with lots of German armor present. Not only did their cumulative reported kill count come out to 2-3 times more tanks and AFVs than were actually present at the battle, but an after action battle damage assessment found virtually none of the knocked out German vehicles were destroyed by aircraft attacks. It's not quite a 1:1 scenario, but it serves as a good reminder that battlefields tend to be fairly chaotic places, so personal accounts should always be taken with a grain of salt, even if corroborated by other witnesses.
Knowing how much the Soviets love their propaganda, they had every incentive to to not look into "claimed kills" and not, you know confirm them. Your probably onto something
@@uummmnocoolnames Stalingrad involved about 2 million soldiers in an area of roughly 30 miles along the Volga river and 15 to 20 miles in land. Please correct me if my estimates are wrong.
You showed the most media, advertised snipers. Vasily Zaitsev became a symbol of resistance in Stalingrad and won almost all his victories there. Then they removed it to a quieter place, since they could not allow the Germans to kill the symbol. The same thing with Pavlyuchenko - she is a symbol of the defense of Crimea and Sevastopol. For reference. The most successful snipers of the USSR: Mikhail Ilyich Surkov - 702 victories, Vladimir Gavrilovich Salbiev -601 and Vasily Shalvovich Kvanchatiradze - 534 victories. This is a quantity-only account. But quality is also important. I remember reading about the instructor of Soviet snipers, unfortunately I forgot his name, he was a captain or major. He was a professional of the highest class. And he was only engaged in counter-sniper combat. During the 3 years of the war (he died in 1944), he “only” had about 50 victories. But almost all of them are enemy snipers.
Hello from Republic of Tuva! Great video but one correction, Semyon Nomokonov wasn't Mongolian but Evenk, Tungusic ethnicity, not Mongolic, not Turkic. I'm one of the Native Siberians. Even nowadays, the Russian military officers speak well of us, remarking our shooting skills. One explanation is that a significant part of the Native Siberians still live the old way of life, like nomads, like hunters. Being a good sniper is the matter of survival. In addition with your survival skills in difficult conditions in the wilds and your physical shape. This isn't something unique or specific, this is like drafting some conservative fella from the countryside of USA who makes a living by farming. This is like that joke: A farm kid writes a letter home after joining Military.
Dear Ma and Pa: I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled. I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting used to it, so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing. Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there’s warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It’s no wonder these city boys can’t walk much. We go on “route marches,” which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it’s not my place to tell him different. A “route march” is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks. The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and colonels just ride around and frown. They don’t bother you none. This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don’t know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don’t move, and it ain’t shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don’t even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes. Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break real easy. It ain’t like fighting with that ole bull at home. I’m about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake . I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I’m only 5’6″ and 130 pounds and he’s 6’8″ and near 300 pounds dry. Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in. Your loving daughter, Alice
When i went to boot camp, i was told, as a hillbilly hunter, to forget everything i knew about shooting and learn the Marine Corps way. Other than learning to use the m16 adjustable sights, i didnt learn anything that would change my shooting. I qualified expert and the DI's even bought me and another dude a Whopper for shooting a possible
@MrCashewkitty - That's a cool story! How many guys get to say that about their DI? Not too many, I bet. According to many sources which follow such things, during the modern era of smokeless powder small arms, rural life peaked in the early 20th century or around the time of the Great War. Which meant that young men were apt to have spent time in the woods, hunting, fishing or whatever prior to even joining the military. If you are familiar with the story of the fabled 101st Airborne, Easy Company, the men of "Band of Brothers," Sgt. Darrell "Shifty" Powers was known as the best shot in the company. He'd been raised in rural Virginia and had been a hunter and outdoorsman his whole life. He was also the best or one of the best scouts, skilled at moving through the woods silently in order to stalk game... or the enemy, as the case may be. Medal of Honor recipient Sgt. Alvin York came from rural Tennessee, a humble background and what we'd call poor now-a-days. His M1917 Enfield was a huge upgrade to his old squirrel gun back home, so he did great things with it (and his issue M1911) when it came time. If you were a Marine (still are, right?), doubtless you have heard of how WWI-era Marines at Chateau Thierry and Belleau Wood in 1918 were cutting down advancing German infantry using iron-sighted M1903 Springfields, their slings and good old Marine marksmanship... from as much as 800 yards away. French onlookers were astonished; they had never seen such combat riflemanship before. I'm a Southerner myself, and if you are a boy, you get a Red Ryder BB-Gun or pellet gun for your 10th birthday whether you want one or not! That's how-ingrained that culture was down there.... and maybe it still is. Good thing you liked Whoppers, huh? ; )
Such great stories, I really enjoyed all of them and how it's kind of indicitive of how the best shooters have years and years of experience and how the best snipers have more skills than just the ability to shoot... that the greatest asset to the sniper was not the raw strength of an individual or ability to follow orders, but their knowledge, experience, endurance and in a way... their independence.
Carlos Hathcock roamed the woods of rural Arkansas hunting alone with a single shot 22 and his dog for most of his childhood. He joined the Corps on his 17th birthday. He won the Wimbledon cup as the best shooter in the military in 1965 BEFORE he became a sniper. Once he went to Vietnam, the rest was history.
My background didn’t include hunting until after my wars, but I find that I personally prefer iron heavily for the situational awareness, and for whatever reason my eyes just don’t work well with scopes; I find it very hard to get the proper relief and then get the reticule to behave, it’s similar for me with other optics. i’m sure I could overcome if I practiced, but at this point I’m so good with irons I don’t see the point unless I were to go into long distance shooting 500M+
This is very interesting because on Saturday October 3rd 1942 she was at Meany Hall giving a speech on how she and the Russian people needed food and help fighting off the Nazi invaders. I have the front page of the Seattle Times Sunday issue with her picture and story of her being in the US.
This was a great episode. The history being spoken of, and the time on the range, gave it a great vibe! I look forward to more episodes like this one. Yes, a story told in this fashion of Finland's, "White Death".
I’m a pragmatists, been a sub for over 5 years, I appreciate the no nonsense approach, this was fun, I knew of her, and her exploits, nice attempt at trying to engage the audience. Keep it up boys. I appreciate the transition from shooting to discussing history “while shooting”, it’s more authentic. Authenticity. Is the new currency
Sergeant York was a Hunter from youth. DR Ruth was a Sniper. Within the last year a Recruit Marine made a 249 or the 250 Perfect score with a background of Sport Shooting with an AR! Thank You Two for the History Lesson!
Regarding the point on diaries, letters and the human aspect of history; that is specifically what I find so fascinating about period items, medals, bibles, small arms, vehicles, aircraft etc that were actually used by or given to someone during the events we learn about as oppossed to replicas. They are direct physical links to our past.
In the USSR, during the years of World War 2, 480,000 snipers were trained, long before the war began in the USSR there was a program for senior schoolchildren called Ready for Work and Defense, where children were trained for increased physical exertion and for the army.Along with this program, there was the Voroshilov Shooter program, where the distinguished guys could pass the sniper shooting exam, they were given a Sign for it, as well as pilot training, parachute jumping, driving training, most tractor drivers were tank drivers during the war.
And also he was a huge liar and a propaganda idol for finns. Irl he had nothing even relatable to the image and scores propaganda machine made for him.
The legend of simo hayuha is a legend. The Winter War lasted 105 days. to kill 700 people he would need to kill 7 people every day, which is physically impossible for a sniper. He may be a good sniper, but for Finnish propaganda his score is clearly exaggerated. In addition, he walked alone, reporting his victories after the fact, without verification from other military personnel. In addition, very often when he reported about the dead in the Red Army, on those days on those parts of the front there were no losses from snipers or they were lower. It’s like with the German ace pilots, when they reported 5-6 downed planes per flight, but in Soviet reports there were not a single lost ones
One of my Sargents over heard myself and some squad mates talking about different snipers and the kill counts. My Sargent had been in since Viet Nam and he had this to say to us lower enlisted kids. Don’t worry about the confirmed kills. That not skill it’s opportunity. Put someone in a city full of people and a pisspoor shot can get a huge number of kills. Put a sniper in the jungle and he may only get a couple of kills but they’re going to be difficult high value targets. Anybody can be taught to shoot people running down the street from a rooftop. A sniper either learns how to get in and out of places that he should never be in or he gets killed. The Army sniper isn’t just there to shoot people. They are there to collect intell and be eyes in the area to help guide the grunts. As a 20 year old 12B I didn’t really care. I idolized the names of men I knew nothing about for doing things that I didn’t understand. During my deployment to Iraq we always knew when a sniper team was in the mess. There would be 300 guy eating standing up, and 2 guys with a table all to themselves. And nobody ever tried talking to them. After the war I was reading a book written by an army sniper. I can’t be positive but I think he tore down a full bird for chewing me and 2 other guy out. We had been hit by an RPG 2 days prior. Our uniforms had been cut off of us by the MASH doctors. We had been given whatever they could find us so we could go across the street to get chow. Covered in bandages and such a full bird was screaming at us for being out of uniform. Then a guy with no rank or name tape grabbed him and threw him against the wall. Treating him like a school yard bully made him look about an inch tall. In front of a packed room. He then calmly looked at me and mine and said he was sorry that the colonel had been rude and he (the sniper) hoped we would have a good meal. The colonel was pissed. Started demanding the guys name and rank. The guy looked at him and said something towards the line of he was the guy keeping people like him alive and that his rank was a step down from god. I think. Big I think. I think it was a sniper with the call sign Gabriel.
You got it wrong with Pavliuchenko. She is not Ukranian. Her second name is Belova, which sounds Russian to me. Pavliuchenko was a second name of her husband. She joined shooting club way before the war. It was a factory shooting club, but not state arsenal. She showed such results, that she was accepted to somewhat secret course (way before the war). She was trained by Russian sniper from WWI (First world war). The courses were extremely professional by that time standards and my estimation that not more, than 1000 people passed them before the war. She was excellent in maths, memorised all shooting tables (distance and wind corrections). So she entered the war being very professional in both shooting and field craft. When she volunteered for military service, she was not accepted as sniper as nobody was caring much in the beginning of the war. She was assigned to non-combat role and only later she managed to get her hands on a sniper rifle. First encounter was terrible due to phycological problems and, as far as I recall, poor choice of position (from the tree). Later she became deadly. In essence, she was much better shot, than Vasily Zaitcev, because he was just a farm boy and a hunter and had problems in estimating range and sight adjustments. She performed all sniper duties, like sniping behind enemy lives, diversionary jobs, recce etc. Sourse - her memoirs.
@@vladimirpecherskiy1910 I stated my source above. Her book is titled “I- sniper” Arsenal does not mean she was assembling guns or such. First, when she was 16, she started as unqualified worker, later she learned to work with turning lathe machinery making shafts for various gearboxes. She attended “Sniper school” in Kiev where documents were strictly checked and finished it in 1939.
So how many times are going to shoot @ 300? There's a few farther out. Thanks for the added info on these shooters. A 75yo Virginia country boy, I still shoot mainly iron, but have 3 scoped rifles, good to 800+.
I don't know if you guys have already covered other snipers but you guys should totally look into Francis Pegahmagabow. He was an indigenous Canadian sniper in World War I credited with 378 kills and 300 captures, some pretty wild stories.
In the soviet union, almost all families had someone killed in ww2. Sure, families were bigger in those times, but having only one relative dead was considered lucky
Having joined the infantry in '12, I understand the disappointment of not being allowed to just blow stuff up whenever. The total absence of ac130s flying around Afghanistan confirmed that my recruiter had indeed lied to me
Yeah as someone who joined right as the surge was going on, I actively saw the ROE get more and more restrictive and work turning into more and more into "how do we prevent SHARP".
Fascinating. Now do a show on the snipers of the Great War. A good book to start with would be "Sniping in France: With Notes on the Scientific Training of Scouts, Observers, and Snipers" by Major H. Hensketh-Prichard.
Given most of WWII sniper engagements were sub-300 meters I dont think marksmanship really mattered that much. What made them effective were the other factors, initiative, motivation to learn, to kill, patience, field craft. Being slightly OCD and socialpathic doesnt hurt.
Lyudmila is an interesting case as she benefited from her more educated background being an arm factory worker. She made modifications to her own gun and adjusted the scopes for her team. Many other successful Soviet snipers couldn't do that.
@minhducnguyen9276 I think the stronger common thread is that they didn't have to be snipers but chose to. Two of them were women. One college educated and the other defied orders to serve at the front. The Siberian was a middle-aged grave digger. Even Zeitzev was a sailor who resigned from the navy to fight in Stalingrad. This was dangerous work, and it got old fast. The fact that they had previous training didn't mean they were exceptionally skilled, but it probably gave them the confidence to try out. Just like some people volunteered to be pilots in the war because they had a joyride as a kid at a time when most people never flew.
@@JR-tl2ym Yeah. For a large scale war like WW 2 they didn't always have the time to screen the potential candidates. Anyone who wants the job can just sign up for it, as long as they deliver results. Kalashnikov for example only received official training after he already won his first gun design contest.
Mikhail Ilyich Surkov is considered the most productive in the Red Army, with 702 confirmed murders on his account. In total, from June 22 1941 to September 2 1945, there are 415 snipers who have more than 50 confirmations of the destruction of the enemy. At the same time, the top ten destroyed about 4,200 enemy soldiers and officers.
Алия Молдагулова - уничтожила 78 солдат и офицеров противника[1]. Подвиг 14 января 1944 года в деревне Казачиха овосокольнического района Псковской области при освобождении его от немецкой оккупации Алия совершила свой подвиг, увековечивший память о ней. При освобождении станции Насва Алия, которой ещё не исполнилось и 19 лет, под шквальным огнем шесть раз поднимала своих товарищей в бой. В роте, где офицеры были выведены из строя, Алия приняла на себя роль командира.
Agree, only way to become the best shooter you can be is to shoot competition and get beat. Then talk to and befriend the guy/gal that beat you and LEARN!
Vasily Shalvovich Kvachantiradze (Georgian: ვასილ შალვას ძე კვაჭანტირაძე, Russian: Василий Шалвович Квачантирадзе; 2 (15) January 1907 - 9 February 1950) was a top Soviet sniper during World War II. He is credited with confirmed kills numbering at least 215 officers and soldiers of the German Wehrmacht during the Vitebsk-Orsha Offensive and 542 confirmed kills total during the war.
А мне казалось что самым результативным снайпером был Михаил Ильич Сурков за войну доведший личный счёт до 702 солдат и офицеров противника... Хотя в относительно короткий промежуток Василий Шалвович Квачантирадзе показал действительно потрясающий результат... Так же по мне Василий Зайцев тоже достоин быть лучшим, не сколько за его впечатляющий счёт, сколько за гигантский вклад в развитие снайперской школы СССР.
@CypressL12 я брал инфу с общедоступных источников. Если у вас есть опровергающие эти источники исследования буду благодарен за ссылку на них или хотя бы за указание автора и название исследования - интересно прочесть
The diaries of people like Rosa are important; they were first-person witnesses to this point of history, as well their personal stories... the good ones would have high kill counts, they operated in a "target-rich" environment, until the war ended. A few Soviet snipers got to where they preferred officers - including their own ! Those didn't end up as propaganda tools...
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Then Ian can try to sell a German, american, ect sniper. Maybe a French one. Though if the last video has any validity, there might not be a whole lot out there buying that mosin as it is.
For sure we are interested in doing more “story time” type videos. Learning about the people who used these things are def an extra layer deeper into history. As far as the GETW thing, it really doesn’t bother us if you don’t want it, we’re happy with even getting to comment with people who are also interested in the history of these things. The entire affair gave us an excuse to nerd out on Mosin sniper rifles and their users with Ian, I’d do that even without the vehicle of that particular rifle.
@@9HoleReviews That is fantastic to hear. Honestly, I think most are just looking to hear those who are knowledgeable about something nerd out on it, especially when it is something that they have a tangential interest in, and guns ain't the only thing I happy to hear the fellow nerds go to town on, after all, knowledge is power, and the more the better. Because as I am sure you know there are plenty of bad, wrong, or willfully wrong information out there, not to mention just straight propaganda, believe you me I can give you examples, from the just don't know, to the straight up, "We want to protect someone's feelings, so telling them something that makes them feel good but will get them killed it alright, to the straight, not possible, like turning a striker in a glock backwards makes it a glock 18(And yes, I have been told that), those who spread bad info willingly are so much trouble. A lot just want tangible facts, which I think this channel provides, with proof, which is also why I do pimp it like a $2 whore to those who will listen.
Eighty percent of all Nazi losses (soldiers & equipment) were in the east, by the Soviet Red Army. We were only in Western Europe for a year after D-Day. English as well, although they were there and kicked out in '41 in Dunkirk.
@@yulusleonard985 No, he also fought in Donbass and Zaporozhye. Then he was wounded in the eyes during a mortar attack and stopped sniping to become an officer. Sadly his post-Stalingrad service is shrouded in lack of records.
@@albertoamoruso7711 He became captain and earn his second medal during river crossing near Berlin. It just soviet doctrine turn from infantry to infantry fighting to combined arms. Thats why the most sniper kills record are from mid 41-mid 43. They get more light/heavy artillery and turn into artillery duel than close combat fighting. They can get huge sniper kills only in siege because high concentration of people.
On August 23, the Germans were unable to break through to Stalingrad... Three batteries of the 1077th anti-aircraft regiment with 85-37 mm anti-aircraft guns stood in their way. In the artillery crews there were girls from Stalingrad with 37 guns... The 14th Tank Corps was advancing together with the corps of the 16th Tank Division of the 6th Army.
I always found Pavlichenko's story to be a bit odd. In Sevastapol it was said that the Germans would fire up the loudspeakers and and say things like "We will find you and cut you in to 309 pieces!" Of course this was referring to her kill count. The Germans had no idea who she was and no idea that she killed 309 soldiers. Now granted, the Soviets would put out German language propaganda leaflets and the Germans did get information from POW's so it is possible. Most of what I have been able to read about the Battle of Sevastapol doesn't mention this. The other thing is her North American tour. There was another sniper with her who was male. At certain stops on the tour the hosts tried to organize shooting competitions which Pavlichenko declined most of the time. When she did get talked in to participating they found that her shooting was kinda sub par. This might have also been due to the fact that her hosts found out that she loved American beer and drank quite a bit of it on her tour. One Russian dude I talked to years ago claimed that she was just a handy propaganda tool. She was a single mother and had a young son that was put in the care of the state. So with her child in the state's custody he believed she was easily manipulated. The fact that she was a woman was a bonus because Soviet leadership felt it would guilt the Allies in to opening a second front since Soviet women were fighting and Allied men were just sitting on their asses. Hence the "you are hiding behind my skirts" comment she made while in North America. This had a second bonus (maybe) of showing that under communism males and females were supposed to be equal. The US especially at the time was a very male dominated society. Sadly, she died in the 70's and suffered from depression and alcoholism. But loved the video regardless. I hope you do more like this. If you ever do one on the Wehrmacht snipers people my be surprised to learn that the top 3 snipers of that Army weren't even German.
'...the hosts tried to organize shooting competitions which Pavlichenko declined most of the time. When she did get talked in to participating they found that her shooting was kinda sub par.' Precisely (to use a word). It never ceases to amaze me that people take all these claims at face value - when EVERYTHING that was said or written by a Soviet citizen was subject to scrutiny by the state intelligence organs. Put a word wrong, and you could be carted off to the Gulag before you could say 'Bob's your uncle'. And, unlike in defeated Germany, the atmosphere of fear continued to exist for decades after the war, so that anyone who questioned a former comrade's claims might well fall foul of the state. Couple that with the Soviet staple of simply inventing a narrative from whole cloth, and you are gazing into waters that have been muddied to the point of total opacity. There are brave and tactically effective soldiers in every army, and certainly there must have been actual Soviet snipers who were highly successful, but just who they really were, and what actual level of success ('kills') they attained, is, at this point, probably impossible to determine.
there is a great 30 min interview with Ludmila Pavlichenko filmed in 1973. She's talking about her job as a sniper and her visit to the united states during the war. It's in russian, but you could enable english subtitles ua-cam.com/video/tm2yraNQWqM/v-deo.html
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"How many people have you killed?" "I never killed people, only Nazis" "And when you shot them, did you felt a thing?" "Recoil" - attributed to Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
Based.
she was rped by male soldiers
Commies aren't people neither
@@waefawawrgaw2835 what
@@waefawawrgaw2835 based🤣
In Lyudmila's book there are several interesting tidbits.
- Her Mosin was reworked by herself, to further separate the wood from the barrel
- There is one case described where she chose her SVT, and it worked (they crawled like a whole sniper platoon onto an enemy position and obliterated it)
- One of her advantages was that she could do ballistic tables and work the scope. When she was leader she would prepare the scopes for other members of the team that could not do it.
- She was extremely candid when talking about nationalities.
- She talks about another woman who served as a machinegunner, and she was pretty angry at her and thought she was insane (like holding fire until the enemy assault was right on top of their position)
- The whole psychology is fascinating. You can actually perceive her losing it a bit due to the weight of war. At some point, she talks about just wounding enemy soldiers and then watching them.
What exactly was she supposed to say about nationalities?
@DOMINIK99013 I assume its about actual nationalities with the USSR and not group identifying as " Russian " or Soviet, being Ukrainian herself.
@@OntarioBearHunter Oh, she had a lot to say about Romanians.:
Through the eyepiece of my telescope sight I often saw their swarthy, hooked-
nosed, half-Gypsy, half-Oriental features. Antonescu may have maintained that
the Romanians were heirs of ancient Rome, but from the fifteenth century the
Wallachian kingdom had in fact been under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. If
anyone had an influence on the nation’s population, it was the Turks, who had
maintained garrisons in major cities almost to the 1870s, had their own trade and
forced the Romanians to serve in their army. There were still many Gypsy bands
roaming freely through the towns and villages of that peasant country.
Clad in uniforms of a sandy grey colour and pudding-basin helmets or cloth
kepis with a comical double-peaked crown, at the beginning of August 1941 the
Romanians conducted themselves in an extraordinarily confident and carefree
manner, displaying contempt for the rules of war. They strode around their lines
fully upright, made no attempt to maintain military security in all areas, conducted
inadequate reconnaissance and deployed units from the rear (medical battalions,
kitchens, tethering posts, strings of carts, workshops, etc.) close to the front line.
In a word, they created excellent conditions for sharpshooters. It was not surprising
that my sniper’s tally grew day by day.
Also, this is from her memoir when given a dedicated SVT-40 with PU for her 100th kill:
‘Have you been in the army long, Lyudmila Mikhailovna?’ he asked.
‘No, Comrade Major-General. I joined as a volunteer at the end of June.’
‘And what were you before that?’
‘I was studying at Kiev University. History faculty, fourth year.’
‘You handle a rifle superbly,’ Petrov remarked.
‘I graduated with distinction from the Osoaviakhim sniper school in Kiev,’ I reported clearly.
‘Are you Ukrainian?’ He asked this in a strange, disgruntled tone.
‘No, Comrade Major-General!’ I replied quickly, for these questions of nationality always irritated me. ‘I’m Russian. My maiden name is Belova. I am Pavlichenko only by marriage.’
War f***s with your mind.
@@cargueconcuidado Thanks. Although I don't think many Romani served in the Romanian army, firstly because they were not trusted and secondly because most of their population in Romania today was then in the Hungarian area assigned during ww2, the Germans saw them as the second best force on the eastern front , better than the Hungarians. In my opinion, the fact that they had logistics close to the front could also be the reason that they had a much lower level of motorization than Germany or the USSR.
Semyon Nomokonov was very cunning, he was a hunter from the wild Siberian places, but he started as a medic and then became a sniper.
His friend was shot by a German sniper and Semyon volunteered to eliminate him and did so. After he shot a German general in 1942, the Germans sent professional snipers to eliminate him, and Semyon eliminated them one by one, among them there was one young girl sniper, so much so that other professionals refused to duel with him, realizing that they would lose .
Moreover, you will be surprised at what distance He shot this General, it was almost 2 km
@@ВасилийТ-ш7уHard to imagine with those scopes they had as standard...
@The_Touring_Jedi I’m not sure if it is realistic, since he only used ironsights
@@AlexandroneF then it was obviously exaggeration. The Soviets did that a lot. And you see it until today that the Russian army is still exaggerating everything.
it starts with men bursting about their success and then everyone in the line of command adds a few meters as if it means that he himself helped to do the job.
I'm not sure I understand you correctly, but if I do you say one of the Snipers sent out to hunt Nomokonov was a young girl? That is insanely unlikely since the German army didn't have women in such roles.
For those further curious about indigenous Soviet snipers, there also was Fyodor Okhlopkov of Sakha people with 429 credited sniper kills and 27 uncredited machine gun kills.
И нанести Фёдор Пасар с Амура.
What other 27 from a machine gun? You yourself, then realized what he said?
Fyodor Okhlopkov is generally considered the best infantryman of World War II, 1000+ killed fascists, 429 fascists with a sniper rifle alone, and he owned many types of weapons: machine gun, mortar, etc.
@@SakhaYkt14 MVP play
@@SakhaYkt14 man sounds like a main character
Вы показали самых медийных, разрекламированных снайперов. Василий Зайцев стал символом сопротивления в Сталинграде и почти все победы одержал там. Потом его убрали на более спокойное место, так как не могли позволить чтобы немцы убили символ. То же самое с Павлюченко - она символ обороны Крыма и Севастополя. Для справки. Самыми результативные снайперы СССР: Сурков Михаил Ильич - 702 победы, Салбиев Владимир Гаврилович -601 и Кванчатирадзе Василий Шалвович - 534 победы. Это счёт учитывающий только количество. Но важно ещё и качество. Помню я читал про инструктора у советских снайперов, к сожалению забыл его имя, он был капитан или майор. Он был профессионал высочайшего класса. И занимался только контр снайперской борьбой. У него за 3 года войны ( он погиб в 1944 году) " всего" около 50 побед. Но почти все из них - снайпера противника.
Охлопков был еще
@@stanislavlonersky818 Много кто был, не уверен что он входил в первую десятку даже ( но скорее всего входил). Я написал топ-3
НА ЯН НАДО БЫЛО ПРИДУМАТЬ ЕЩЕ СНАЙПЕРА
Старший брат моего дедушки уничтожил во время Великой Отечественной Войны 313 фашистов! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhambyl_Tulaev
Зайцева не убирали, он воевал от начала и до конца, возглавлял школу снайперов (он обучил не один десяток новых стрелков, каждый из которых внёс вклад), командовал миномётным взводом, затем был командиром роты. Он участвовал в освобождении Донбасса, в битве за Днепр, сражался под Одессой и на Днестре. Май 1945 года капитан В. Г. Зайцев встретил в Киеве - снова в госпитале.
This video was so casual that it felt like I was actually there as the third person. Great video
Agree!
Another famous soviet sniper, Ivan Sidorenko, wrote in his diary that after 500+ he stopped counting and considered it pointless
500 is a fifth the population of the I live in. That's... baffling.
baZed
lies
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@CypressL12 His source is "trust me bro"
Lyudmilla Pavlichenko and Eleanor Roosevelt remained friends. Ms Roosevelt toured Moscow some 15 yrs later and was able to see Lyudmilla and renew their friendship.
Sounds like they were gay
@@ES-gv6xlif it was 2 Americans it could have been the case but it's by fare less prevalent outside the US
she was rped by male soldiers
Okay, whose name I could personally add to is - Ivan Kulbertinov, with his score of 487 kills. He was born in 1917 in small village of Tyanya, Olekminsk region of Yakutia (Sakha). My grandfather, Mikhailov Vasiliy was acquaintance of that renowned sniper (my granddad was from Tokko, a small village located very close to Tyanya, and he was also born 1917, so they knew each other well enough before the war had unleashed). The story of Ivan Kulbertinov (as well as many other Far Eastern small ethnicities like buryats (Nomokonov alike) or yakuts (Kulbertinov alike)) is that they grew as hunters, since it was their way of living. Kulbertinov, sadly, didn't get any renown as The Hero of Soviet Union, although he was nominated twice. The reason why that didn't happen is (according to my granddad) was Kulbertinov's short temper when it came to racial jokes. Kulbertinov didn't just take in jokes about him being a short Asian after decommissioning after the war during his long journey back home, and had a serious conflict with an officer who was making racist jokes in the train heading east from Germany. At one of the stops, he wounded that officer, stopping the insults, but thus, making himself unworthy that Hero medal. After the war, Kulbertinov continued to earn for his life and for his family as a simple hunter, just as he was before the war.
Personal part: Especially this video hit me hard (the Nomokonov smoking part), because i remember how my granddad used to be smoking A LOT. I remember how i was lighting up his tobacco and even trying to make it burn, first tasting the tobacco smoke when i was about 7 or 8 in 1998, when he lost his vision. I know this whole demeanor (asking your grandchild to light up and smoke a tobacco for you) sounds absolutely bizarre for nowadays standards, but... Come on, my granddad himself told me it was his dad back in early 1920s, who asked him to light up a tobacco for him, so my granddad became a tobacco smoker as early as about 10 years old. And he lived until 2007, when he reached his 90. During the war, he began as a simple infantryman, then he became a machine-gunner, and, by the end of the war, he became a chief of a mortar squad, because of his excellent aiming capability. I learned all of it only years after his death in 2007, when the archives were made public, and i was able to find his details in that scans. During his life, he never liked to talk about the war. Instead, he always was refocusing my conversations with him towards my possible peaceful future, asking whom i would like to become, or why did i chose to become an engineer, et cetera. May you all live in peace.
In honor of Lyudmila Pavlichenko, there was a Sniper Rilfe introduced in Borderlands 2 called the Lyuda. The flavor text reads:Man Killer. 😉
Fitting as it's considered amongst the best if not the best sniper rifle in the game.
A note about confirmed kills in the red army. A sniper kill was counted as confirmed if the sniper was the only one shooting at the target. So none of kills that happened during an active combat, where there's a lot of guys shooting at the enemy, will be counted at the sniper scores we see today.
Rosa shanina complained about that in her diary, giving an example when she and a recon squad saw a small group of Germans 150m away and decided to shoot them down. As she described "sure, all of us were shooting, but what are chances that the recon guys, who haven't cleaned or zeroed their rifles for months, killed them, and what chances that it was me, with a well-calibrated rifle and scope"
Storytime with Uncle Henry and Josh. Outstanding! Thanks 👍
Yes snippers from 1938-1945 had high numbers. They had a very high target rich environment.
while themselves being one of them
I do wonder how rigorous the confirmation process is in "confirmed" kills; if it's just "me and my spotter both saw the guy go down", there's a lot of room for error. It's not _impossible_ for these guys to have gotten triple digit kill counts, given the shear number of people fighting, but likewise, given the intensity of the fighting, I assume they didn't always have the luxury of sticking around to see if somebody they hit got back up.
I'm reminded of a story about how a certain fighter squadron (can't remember if it was RAF or AAF) reported hundreds of ground kills after providing air cover for a large battle with lots of German armor present. Not only did their cumulative reported kill count come out to 2-3 times more tanks and AFVs than were actually present at the battle, but an after action battle damage assessment found virtually none of the knocked out German vehicles were destroyed by aircraft attacks.
It's not quite a 1:1 scenario, but it serves as a good reminder that battlefields tend to be fairly chaotic places, so personal accounts should always be taken with a grain of salt, even if corroborated by other witnesses.
Knowing how much the Soviets love their propaganda, they had every incentive to to not look into "claimed kills" and not, you know confirm them. Your probably onto something
@@uummmnocoolnames Stalingrad involved about 2 million soldiers in an area of roughly 30 miles along the Volga river and 15 to 20 miles in land. Please correct me if my estimates are wrong.
Russians always lie, and the confirmation process was a joke for them.
25:17 text on the picture on 21:05 says that dots on his pipe were regular soldiers and crosses were officers.
Just to enlarge upon your theme, Carlos Hathcock had a hunting background using a single-shot rifle before entering the Marines.
You showed the most media, advertised snipers. Vasily Zaitsev became a symbol of resistance in Stalingrad and won almost all his victories there. Then they removed it to a quieter place, since they could not allow the Germans to kill the symbol. The same thing with Pavlyuchenko - she is a symbol of the defense of Crimea and Sevastopol. For reference. The most successful snipers of the USSR: Mikhail Ilyich Surkov - 702 victories, Vladimir Gavrilovich Salbiev -601 and Vasily Shalvovich Kvanchatiradze - 534 victories. This is a quantity-only account. But quality is also important. I remember reading about the instructor of Soviet snipers, unfortunately I forgot his name, he was a captain or major. He was a professional of the highest class. And he was only engaged in counter-sniper combat. During the 3 years of the war (he died in 1944), he “only” had about 50 victories. But almost all of them are enemy snipers.
There was another comment that mentioned the "sniper hunter", I need to look him up more!
Hello from Republic of Tuva!
Great video but one correction, Semyon Nomokonov wasn't Mongolian but Evenk, Tungusic ethnicity, not Mongolic, not Turkic.
I'm one of the Native Siberians. Even nowadays, the Russian military officers speak well of us, remarking our shooting skills. One explanation is that a significant part of the Native Siberians still live the old way of life, like nomads, like hunters. Being a good sniper is the matter of survival. In addition with your survival skills in difficult conditions in the wilds and your physical shape.
This isn't something unique or specific, this is like drafting some conservative fella from the countryside of USA who makes a living by farming.
This is like that joke: A farm kid writes a letter home after joining Military.
Dear Ma and Pa:
I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled.
I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting used to it, so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.
Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there’s warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It’s no wonder these city boys can’t walk much.
We go on “route marches,” which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it’s not my place to tell him different. A “route march” is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.
The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and colonels just ride around and frown. They don’t bother you none.
This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don’t know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don’t move, and it ain’t shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don’t even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.
Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break real easy. It ain’t like fighting with that ole bull at home. I’m about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake . I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I’m only 5’6″ and 130 pounds and he’s 6’8″ and near 300 pounds dry.
Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.
Your loving daughter,
Alice
Thank you for this!
When i went to boot camp, i was told, as a hillbilly hunter, to forget everything i knew about shooting and learn the Marine Corps way. Other than learning to use the m16 adjustable sights, i didnt learn anything that would change my shooting. I qualified expert and the DI's even bought me and another dude a Whopper for shooting a possible
@MrCashewkitty - That's a cool story! How many guys get to say that about their DI? Not too many, I bet. According to many sources which follow such things, during the modern era of smokeless powder small arms, rural life peaked in the early 20th century or around the time of the Great War. Which meant that young men were apt to have spent time in the woods, hunting, fishing or whatever prior to even joining the military.
If you are familiar with the story of the fabled 101st Airborne, Easy Company, the men of "Band of Brothers," Sgt. Darrell "Shifty" Powers was known as the best shot in the company. He'd been raised in rural Virginia and had been a hunter and outdoorsman his whole life. He was also the best or one of the best scouts, skilled at moving through the woods silently in order to stalk game... or the enemy, as the case may be.
Medal of Honor recipient Sgt. Alvin York came from rural Tennessee, a humble background and what we'd call poor now-a-days. His M1917 Enfield was a huge upgrade to his old squirrel gun back home, so he did great things with it (and his issue M1911) when it came time.
If you were a Marine (still are, right?), doubtless you have heard of how WWI-era Marines at Chateau Thierry and Belleau Wood in 1918 were cutting down advancing German infantry using iron-sighted M1903 Springfields, their slings and good old Marine marksmanship... from as much as 800 yards away. French onlookers were astonished; they had never seen such combat riflemanship before.
I'm a Southerner myself, and if you are a boy, you get a Red Ryder BB-Gun or pellet gun for your 10th birthday whether you want one or not! That's how-ingrained that culture was down there.... and maybe it still is.
Good thing you liked Whoppers, huh? ; )
Such great stories, I really enjoyed all of them and how it's kind of indicitive of how the best shooters have years and years of experience and how the best snipers have more skills than just the ability to shoot... that the greatest asset to the sniper was not the raw strength of an individual or ability to follow orders, but their knowledge, experience, endurance and in a way... their independence.
Hands down my favorite video from you guys.
Love a lot of them but this one is so good.
👍🏼
Carlos Hathcock roamed the woods of rural Arkansas hunting alone with a single shot 22 and his dog for most of his childhood. He joined the Corps on his 17th birthday. He won the Wimbledon cup as the best shooter in the military in 1965 BEFORE he became a sniper. Once he went to Vietnam, the rest was history.
This format of shooting and convo is fucking great.
Great show...Really enjoyed the history lesson.
Josh's comment about Henry also liking iron sights at distance is subtle but gold.
My background didn’t include hunting until after my wars, but I find that I personally prefer iron heavily for the situational awareness, and for whatever reason my eyes just don’t work well with scopes; I find it very hard to get the proper relief and then get the reticule to behave, it’s similar for me with other optics. i’m sure I could overcome if I practiced, but at this point I’m so good with irons I don’t see the point unless I were to go into long distance shooting 500M+
This is very interesting because on Saturday October 3rd 1942 she was at Meany Hall giving a speech on how she and the Russian people needed food and help fighting off the Nazi invaders. I have the front page of the Seattle Times Sunday issue with her picture and story of her being in the US.
Who could know that the Russians will fight the nazis again ...
Really enjoyed this video, please keep this type of content coming!
Enemy at the gates is such fantasy that making a list of inaccuracies would take days
Great Video Guys! Just remember that both Alvin York and Carlos Hathcock were country boys that were subsistence hunters.
This was absolutely fantastic, please make more of these!
This was a fun episode….mixing shooting and stories at the same time….very cool. And as a Mosin Fan boy….im watching every single second.
Fantastic content blending history, marksmanship and hard learned lessons of war. Well done!
A quick note: it is Shánina, stress on the first syllable. Great video🔥
This was a great episode. The history being spoken of, and the time on the range, gave it a great vibe! I look forward to more episodes like this one. Yes, a story told in this fashion of Finland's, "White Death".
I’m a pragmatists, been a sub for over 5 years, I appreciate the no nonsense approach, this was fun, I knew of her, and her exploits, nice attempt at trying to engage the audience. Keep it up boys. I appreciate the transition from shooting to discussing history “while shooting”, it’s more authentic. Authenticity. Is the new currency
excellent session. Love the format and the intermittent sniping with the appropriate shooter and ammo! Can't wait for more of these!
These conversation videos are great. Keep em coming.
Josh is shivering for cold, must be cold day out there even when the sun is shining :)
Wow, I think this might be my favorite 9hole vid yet. Henry rocks.
Henry you should look up the native Yakut (Sakha) snipers like Fyodor Okhlopkov (over 420 kills), Sergey Kulbertinov and several others.
What a great show, man. Before my military service. I was a hunter and advI'd Sport shooter. And that helped me with the military manual Of arms .
Sergeant York was a Hunter from youth. DR Ruth was a Sniper. Within the last year a Recruit Marine made a 249 or the 250 Perfect score with a background of Sport Shooting with an AR!
Thank You Two for the History Lesson!
Excellent! Thanks a lot! New and original way of storytelling!
Regarding the point on diaries, letters and the human aspect of history; that is specifically what I find so fascinating about period items, medals, bibles, small arms, vehicles, aircraft etc that were actually used by or given to someone during the events we learn about as oppossed to replicas. They are direct physical links to our past.
Since Simo Hayha was brought up it is important to note that he too was an avid hunter and routinely competed in shooting competitions.
In the USSR, during the years of World War 2, 480,000 snipers were trained, long before the war began in the USSR there was a program for senior schoolchildren called Ready for Work and Defense, where children were trained for increased physical exertion and for the army.Along with this program, there was the Voroshilov Shooter program, where the distinguished guys could pass the sniper shooting exam, they were given a Sign for it, as well as pilot training, parachute jumping, driving training, most tractor drivers were tank drivers during the war.
And also he was a huge liar and a propaganda idol for finns. Irl he had nothing even relatable to the image and scores propaganda machine made for him.
Да, это был великий воин!
The legend of simo hayuha is a legend. The Winter War lasted 105 days. to kill 700 people he would need to kill 7 people every day, which is physically impossible for a sniper.
He may be a good sniper, but for Finnish propaganda his score is clearly exaggerated. In addition, he walked alone, reporting his victories after the fact, without verification from other military personnel. In addition, very often when he reported about the dead in the Red Army, on those days on those parts of the front there were no losses from snipers or they were lower. It’s like with the German ace pilots, when they reported 5-6 downed planes per flight, but in Soviet reports there were not a single lost ones
@@alexey_chekhovichsure ivan, whatever...speaking of propanda i think russians are masters in lying and faking...
Absolutely the best episode ever !! Loved it ❤❤❤
Really liking these vids boys, keep up the great work.
That was as interesting as it was informative. Mosin shooting gave this vid a lovely angle to tell this story. Great content.
Keep stuff like this going guys. Really cool.
Outstanding!!!
You nailed it this time
And the end credis, crazy 😀, what is this audio from?
That pipe is the ultimate flex.
Simo Hayah's gun was his competition rifle as he was a competition shooter.
Wholesome story time at the range.
Nomokonov always looks cool on photo.
One of my Sargents over heard myself and some squad mates talking about different snipers and the kill counts. My Sargent had been in since Viet Nam and he had this to say to us lower enlisted kids. Don’t worry about the confirmed kills. That not skill it’s opportunity. Put someone in a city full of people and a pisspoor shot can get a huge number of kills. Put a sniper in the jungle and he may only get a couple of kills but they’re going to be difficult high value targets. Anybody can be taught to shoot people running down the street from a rooftop. A sniper either learns how to get in and out of places that he should never be in or he gets killed. The Army sniper isn’t just there to shoot people. They are there to collect intell and be eyes in the area to help guide the grunts.
As a 20 year old 12B I didn’t really care. I idolized the names of men I knew nothing about for doing things that I didn’t understand.
During my deployment to Iraq we always knew when a sniper team was in the mess. There would be 300 guy eating standing up, and 2 guys with a table all to themselves. And nobody ever tried talking to them.
After the war I was reading a book written by an army sniper. I can’t be positive but I think he tore down a full bird for chewing me and 2 other guy out. We had been hit by an RPG 2 days prior. Our uniforms had been cut off of us by the MASH doctors. We had been given whatever they could find us so we could go across the street to get chow. Covered in bandages and such a full bird was screaming at us for being out of uniform. Then a guy with no rank or name tape grabbed him and threw him against the wall. Treating him like a school yard bully made him look about an inch tall. In front of a packed room. He then calmly looked at me and mine and said he was sorry that the colonel had been rude and he (the sniper) hoped we would have a good meal. The colonel was pissed. Started demanding the guys name and rank. The guy looked at him and said something towards the line of he was the guy keeping people like him alive and that his rank was a step down from god. I think. Big I think. I think it was a sniper with the call sign Gabriel.
Excellent video. Great new content format.
Awesome video, and a great format.
Unfortunately I caught it a day late, so didn’t get to enter for that beautiful rifle.
You got it wrong with Pavliuchenko. She is not Ukranian. Her second name is Belova, which sounds Russian to me. Pavliuchenko was a second name of her husband. She joined shooting club way before the war. It was a factory shooting club, but not state arsenal. She showed such results, that she was accepted to somewhat secret course (way before the war). She was trained by Russian sniper from WWI (First world war). The courses were extremely professional by that time standards and my estimation that not more, than 1000 people passed them before the war. She was excellent in maths, memorised all shooting tables (distance and wind corrections). So she entered the war being very professional in both shooting and field craft. When she volunteered for military service, she was not accepted as sniper as nobody was caring much in the beginning of the war. She was assigned to non-combat role and only later she managed to get her hands on a sniper rifle. First encounter was terrible due to phycological problems and, as far as I recall, poor choice of position (from the tree). Later she became deadly. In essence, she was much better shot, than Vasily Zaitcev, because he was just a farm boy and a hunter and had problems in estimating range and sight adjustments. She performed all sniper duties, like sniping behind enemy lives, diversionary jobs, recce etc. Sourse - her memoirs.
This is really interesting, thank you for the clarification!
And you got that all info from where? "secret course before war" - as university student, right?
Factory, where she worked literal name "Arsenal"
@@vladimirpecherskiy1910 I stated my source above. Her book is titled “I- sniper” Arsenal does not mean she was assembling guns or such. First, when she was 16, she started as unqualified worker, later she learned to work with turning lathe machinery making shafts for various gearboxes. She attended “Sniper school” in Kiev where documents were strictly checked and finished it in 1939.
@@nikitaananjevas1614 Well, and where exactly there "secret course" and "sniper from WWI"?
@@vladimirpecherskiy1910 Go read the book
What a amazing storyline, video
I love the stories Shared. Plus what do snippers and spotters during a long wait, tell stories.
So how many times are going to shoot @ 300? There's a few farther out. Thanks for the added info on these shooters. A 75yo Virginia country boy, I still shoot mainly iron, but have 3 scoped rifles, good to 800+.
You’re looking for this video ua-cam.com/video/L3_C8ecgYLY/v-deo.htmlsi=cV5t9C4R97Y4_lra
I don't know if you guys have already covered other snipers but you guys should totally look into Francis Pegahmagabow. He was an indigenous Canadian sniper in World War I credited with 378 kills and 300 captures, some pretty wild stories.
Rosa Shanina was definitely in it for vengeance. Lost of brother and lover she def had a vendetta out for the germans.
In the soviet union, almost all families had someone killed in ww2. Sure, families were bigger in those times, but having only one relative dead was considered lucky
Lol definitely not fake
Almost made a stupid comment about the scope covers being on…..then 8 realized you were shooting irons😮….impressive sir. Great video
Having joined the infantry in '12, I understand the disappointment of not being allowed to just blow stuff up whenever.
The total absence of ac130s flying around Afghanistan confirmed that my recruiter had indeed lied to me
Yeah as someone who joined right as the surge was going on, I actively saw the ROE get more and more restrictive and work turning into more and more into "how do we prevent SHARP".
@@9HoleReviews RC East ROE was: radio SF and let them handle it
Extremely annoying to a young private bored out of his mind
Yeah being an NCO in the army has taught me one thing. For the army all about preventing SHARP... They sure love to fuck us. @@9HoleReviews
This was very entertaining. Thanks, gents.
Great video great format!
There is film about Lyudmila Pavlyuchenko called "Battle of Sevastopol 2015". Russian film.
excelente video. BEST place to tell a history
Fascinating. Now do a show on the snipers of the Great War. A good book to start with would be "Sniping in France: With Notes on the Scientific Training of Scouts, Observers, and Snipers" by Major H. Hensketh-Prichard.
Given most of WWII sniper engagements were sub-300 meters I dont think marksmanship really mattered that much. What made them effective were the other factors, initiative, motivation to learn, to kill, patience, field craft. Being slightly OCD and socialpathic doesnt hurt.
Lyudmila is an interesting case as she benefited from her more educated background being an arm factory worker. She made modifications to her own gun and adjusted the scopes for her team. Many other successful Soviet snipers couldn't do that.
@minhducnguyen9276 I think the stronger common thread is that they didn't have to be snipers but chose to. Two of them were women. One college educated and the other defied orders to serve at the front. The Siberian was a middle-aged grave digger. Even Zeitzev was a sailor who resigned from the navy to fight in Stalingrad. This was dangerous work, and it got old fast.
The fact that they had previous training didn't mean they were exceptionally skilled, but it probably gave them the confidence to try out. Just like some people volunteered to be pilots in the war because they had a joyride as a kid at a time when most people never flew.
@@JR-tl2ym Yeah. For a large scale war like WW 2 they didn't always have the time to screen the potential candidates. Anyone who wants the job can just sign up for it, as long as they deliver results. Kalashnikov for example only received official training after he already won his first gun design contest.
Mikhail Ilyich Surkov is considered the most productive in the Red Army, with 702 confirmed murders on his account. In total, from June 22 1941 to September 2 1945, there are 415 snipers who have more than 50 confirmations of the destruction of the enemy. At the same time, the top ten destroyed about 4,200 enemy soldiers and officers.
Great Information/ Video
Алия Молдагулова - уничтожила 78 солдат и офицеров противника[1]. Подвиг 14 января 1944 года в деревне Казачиха овосокольнического района Псковской области при освобождении его от немецкой оккупации Алия совершила свой подвиг, увековечивший память о ней. При освобождении станции Насва Алия, которой ещё не исполнилось и 19 лет, под шквальным огнем шесть раз поднимала своих товарищей в бой. В роте, где офицеры были выведены из строя, Алия приняла на себя роль командира.
Agree, only way to become the best shooter you can be is to shoot competition and get beat. Then talk to and befriend the guy/gal that beat you and LEARN!
Vasily Shalvovich Kvachantiradze (Georgian: ვასილ შალვას ძე კვაჭანტირაძე, Russian: Василий Шалвович Квачантирадзе; 2 (15) January 1907 - 9 February 1950) was a top Soviet sniper during World War II. He is credited with confirmed kills numbering at least 215 officers and soldiers of the German Wehrmacht during the Vitebsk-Orsha Offensive and 542 confirmed kills total during the war.
А мне казалось что самым результативным снайпером был Михаил Ильич Сурков за войну доведший личный счёт до 702 солдат и офицеров противника... Хотя в относительно короткий промежуток Василий Шалвович Квачантирадзе показал действительно потрясающий результат... Так же по мне Василий Зайцев тоже достоин быть лучшим, не сколько за его впечатляющий счёт, сколько за гигантский вклад в развитие снайперской школы СССР.
@CypressL12 я брал инфу с общедоступных источников. Если у вас есть опровергающие эти источники исследования буду благодарен за ссылку на них или хотя бы за указание автора и название исследования - интересно прочесть
Masterpiece of an episode.
Another Great Video 💯Thanks for Sharing 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
You guys are great!
The book The master sniper by Stephan Hunter is a neat fictional story about Ludmilla.
The diaries of people like Rosa are important; they were first-person witnesses to this point of history, as well their personal stories... the good ones would have high kill counts, they operated in a "target-rich" environment, until the war ended. A few Soviet snipers got to where they preferred officers - including their own ! Those didn't end up as propaganda tools...
This little conversation set up is nice. Would be for maybe a little dive into the American, British, and even Canadian and German snipers.
Yeah, but they are trying to sell that mosin for Ian.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Then Ian can try to sell a German, american, ect sniper. Maybe a French one. Though if the last video has any validity, there might not be a whole lot out there buying that mosin as it is.
For sure we are interested in doing more “story time” type videos. Learning about the people who used these things are def an extra layer deeper into history.
As far as the GETW thing, it really doesn’t bother us if you don’t want it, we’re happy with even getting to comment with people who are also interested in the history of these things.
The entire affair gave us an excuse to nerd out on Mosin sniper rifles and their users with Ian, I’d do that even without the vehicle of that particular rifle.
@@9HoleReviews That is fantastic to hear. Honestly, I think most are just looking to hear those who are knowledgeable about something nerd out on it, especially when it is something that they have a tangential interest in, and guns ain't the only thing I happy to hear the fellow nerds go to town on, after all, knowledge is power, and the more the better. Because as I am sure you know there are plenty of bad, wrong, or willfully wrong information out there, not to mention just straight propaganda, believe you me I can give you examples, from the just don't know, to the straight up, "We want to protect someone's feelings, so telling them something that makes them feel good but will get them killed it alright, to the straight, not possible, like turning a striker in a glock backwards makes it a glock 18(And yes, I have been told that), those who spread bad info willingly are so much trouble. A lot just want tangible facts, which I think this channel provides, with proof, which is also why I do pimp it like a $2 whore to those who will listen.
Great episode! What movie are you showing clips from?
Eighty percent of all Nazi losses (soldiers & equipment) were in the east, by the Soviet Red Army. We were only in Western Europe for a year after D-Day. English as well, although they were there and kicked out in '41 in Dunkirk.
I didn't know any of this...thank you fir tge history lesson
Спасибо за ваши видео!
Another banger video guys.
Pavlicenko was not Ukranian. Her father was from St Petersburg, mother also from Russia.
Ukraine became Ukraine after 1922. It was Russia before
This is great.
Loved the stories
best episode (so far)
Bed time stories, best 30min of my day. Do Hathcock next 🙏
Guys, thanks for this tribute to those fighting nazi in wwii. Let’s wish US and Russia won’t be enemies, but allies in peaceful development.
Great talk. Enjoy the history lessons.
242 kills are only those he achieved in the battle of Stalingrad
Yea because after that he became officer and stop sniping. His second gold medal is from conducting river crossing near Berlin.
There’s no evidence to suggest that number is accurate. There’s no such thing as “confirmed kills”.
@@yulusleonard985 No, he also fought in Donbass and Zaporozhye. Then he was wounded in the eyes during a mortar attack and stopped sniping to become an officer. Sadly his post-Stalingrad service is shrouded in lack of records.
@@darklyripley6138 This is true with all snipers. Even Simo Hayha accounts are incredibly sketchy and debated among Finnish military historians.
@@albertoamoruso7711 He became captain and earn his second medal during river crossing near Berlin. It just soviet doctrine turn from infantry to infantry fighting to combined arms. Thats why the most sniper kills record are from mid 41-mid 43. They get more light/heavy artillery and turn into artillery duel than close combat fighting. They can get huge sniper kills only in siege because high concentration of people.
On August 23, the Germans were unable to break through to Stalingrad... Three batteries of the 1077th anti-aircraft regiment with 85-37 mm anti-aircraft guns stood in their way. In the artillery crews there were girls from Stalingrad with 37 guns... The 14th Tank Corps was advancing together with the corps of the 16th Tank Division of the 6th Army.
I always found Pavlichenko's story to be a bit odd. In Sevastapol it was said that the Germans would fire up the loudspeakers and and say things like "We will find you and cut you in to 309 pieces!" Of course this was referring to her kill count. The Germans had no idea who she was and no idea that she killed 309 soldiers. Now granted, the Soviets would put out German language propaganda leaflets and the Germans did get information from POW's so it is possible. Most of what I have been able to read about the Battle of Sevastapol doesn't mention this. The other thing is her North American tour. There was another sniper with her who was male. At certain stops on the tour the hosts tried to organize shooting competitions which Pavlichenko declined most of the time. When she did get talked in to participating they found that her shooting was kinda sub par. This might have also been due to the fact that her hosts found out that she loved American beer and drank quite a bit of it on her tour. One Russian dude I talked to years ago claimed that she was just a handy propaganda tool. She was a single mother and had a young son that was put in the care of the state. So with her child in the state's custody he believed she was easily manipulated. The fact that she was a woman was a bonus because Soviet leadership felt it would guilt the Allies in to opening a second front since Soviet women were fighting and Allied men were just sitting on their asses. Hence the "you are hiding behind my skirts" comment she made while in North America. This had a second bonus (maybe) of showing that under communism males and females were supposed to be equal. The US especially at the time was a very male dominated society. Sadly, she died in the 70's and suffered from depression and alcoholism.
But loved the video regardless. I hope you do more like this. If you ever do one on the Wehrmacht snipers people my be surprised to learn that the top 3 snipers of that Army weren't even German.
'...the hosts tried to organize shooting competitions which Pavlichenko declined most of the time. When she did get talked in to participating they found that her shooting was kinda sub par.' Precisely (to use a word). It never ceases to amaze me that people take all these claims at face value - when EVERYTHING that was said or written by a Soviet citizen was subject to scrutiny by the state intelligence organs. Put a word wrong, and you could be carted off to the Gulag before you could say 'Bob's your uncle'. And, unlike in defeated Germany, the atmosphere of fear continued to exist for decades after the war, so that anyone who questioned a former comrade's claims might well fall foul of the state. Couple that with the Soviet staple of simply inventing a narrative from whole cloth, and you are gazing into waters that have been muddied to the point of total opacity. There are brave and tactically effective soldiers in every army, and certainly there must have been actual Soviet snipers who were highly successful, but just who they really were, and what actual level of success ('kills') they attained, is, at this point, probably impossible to determine.
I'm pretty sure there are soviet accounts pointing to woman being either propaganda or comfort women for troops or generals.
there is a great 30 min interview with Ludmila Pavlichenko filmed in 1973. She's talking about her job as a sniper and her visit to the united states during the war. It's in russian, but you could enable english subtitles ua-cam.com/video/tm2yraNQWqM/v-deo.html
Someone has to keep a record. This how we keep a record to see different sides of a conflict.
Soviets gave most people in WW2 , so be grateful for that!
You really need explosive bullets to be a proper WWII sniper.