EMERGENCIES in the Cirrus SR22 sim - parachute deployment
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2018
- EP162: Practising engine failures and other emergencies in the Cirrus sim. Pulling the CAPS parachute handle after mid-air collisions, engine failures, icing, spinning, and more emergency situations. Filmed in the Avia Aircraft full-motion simulator at Moorabbin Airport. Pulling the CAPS (Cirrus Airframe Parachute System) handle is part of the standardised procedures for Cirrus aircraft in certain situations. Today's video covers some of those scenarios.
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Love that he didn't even bother to try and figure out what was wrong with the engine. JUST DEPLOY THE CHUTE haha.
LOL
It's called being a Cirrus pilot
If u can afford a cirrus then u can pull chute lol
I think he was at a critical altitude where he had to decide quickly to pull the chute or force a landing. I think the Chute takes time and altitude to deploy. So working the engine checklist due to a failure may have not offered him enough time (altitude) to pull the chute if he had waited. Obviously, I am not a pilot, but that was my take on it.
@@Ronaldo-nj9pi normally speaking attempting engine diagnostics is always prioritized over landing /bailing attempts, except if you know the cause of the problem, like if its a bird strike you know there's no recovery, so you just pull chute immediately
I have to admit Cirrus are good looking aircraft, nice clean lines.
True
They go nice and quick too
And can not spin recover
@Sunamer Z yes, but so dangerous at the stall/spin they had to mandate the chute in order to get certified.
That is why an inop chute is a no- go item. It ain't legal without it.
Built for looks and not for the stability you need when dabbling in the 3rd dimention
I used the parachute last weekend for real!
And it saved my life without question and without injury ❤
Woah ! Why dont you make a video on it ? But why are these engines failing so much , what if they fail in the mid of take off ?
Awesome video, I bet you learned a ton. There is a place about 1 hour flight from here with a full motion Cirrus sim, I want to go practice with.
Thanks Niko! I learned loads from this, it's something I think I'll book in to do maybe twice a year. I'd definitely react differently (hopefully quicker, and more confidently) to an in-flight emergency after this session than I would have done before. Well worth it.
No point in telling us that, unless we know where 'here' is.
@@heli-crewhgs5285 wow... Helicopter pilots really are jerks!
Heli-Crew HGS He is based around Miami, Fl. He has his own UA-cam channel if you’re interested.
Can't remember how to land? Pull the chute! Grumman Cheetah driver here who doesn't fly plastic planes.
This is a great video. It shows the value of using a sim for emergency operations training. I'd love to take a couple lessons myself. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Terrific video, Stef! It’s a shame non-commercial pilots don’t have convenient access to routine simulator training of the quality you experienced. Just imagine what that would do to GA accident rates.
Thanks Tom, and yes I agree. In fact that's partly the reason for making this video. Hopefully to encourage other GA pilots to do a few sessions in the sim so if the worst ever happens one day they have a better chance of a successful outcome. I appreciate the comment, cheers, stef 👍
Hi Stefan, I flew that simulator at Avia in Moorabbin. Absolutely awesome fun, now I'm training for my ticket.
Great vid ! It's cool to see how you practice with a simulator
1:14 “to the point of no return” lol
Great Video and insight to several emergencies. Outstanding sim ✈️
Role-playing was a significant training tool when I was in law enforcement. It all started during basic training at the police academy at a time when California police departments invested heavily to improve officer survival training. This was sparked by the shooting deaths of four California Highway Patrol Officers during a car stop/gun battle north of Los Angeles in 1968. When I attended the LAPD Detective School in 1980, where new detectives from other police departments were allowed to attend the training, the topic of officer survival really hit home when we were shown a gruesome photograph of the four deceased CHP officers lying next to each other in the county morgue.
We also had simulations in the academy and further on in my career with much attention on this topic. The academy instructors wanted the training to be as real as possible, even bringing on drama students from my alma mater at San Jose State University. At first, I kind of chuckled at this, but I'll tell you what, once engaged in the scenario the situation became as close to real as you could get and I fully endorse this kind of training. After watching this simulator flight training, if I were a pilot or pilot in training I would certainly try and sign up for it because it reminded me of why role-playing and simulations are so important.
I never liked being unprepared if the worst happened, in my mind training provided answers or at least options on how to react and control your emotions when the shit hit the fan. I would even engineer situations on my own and develop response strategies. I suppose that is the same as a pilot would do at home using a computer training program as the video suggested. Great concept and life saver training.
Thanks for sharing your story John, and I agree that any simulated emergencies that pilots can experience in a controlled environment can only help if something similar occurs in a real flight. Even if I didn't feel more prepared for an emergency situation (which I certainly do now) after this training, you still get to see what happens so the emergency is less of a "it'll never happen, I'll bury the training to the back of my head" scenario. Thanks again, stef
Thank you and your families for your sacrifice and service, I love law enforcement and first responders, my life was saved thanks to those like you.
I was (just) a fire warden in my former office and the local fire chief who was brought in to teach the wardens of each floor, had explained the concept of muscle memory becoming your instinctual reflex in an emergency and shared some serious stories of people who's fates were impacted by this. Whatever you are familiar with is what you will do. Realistic simulation, reputation, practice is key to survival. I bought my mom two extinguishers, one to waste for practice and one to keep at the ready for an emergency and I made her practice. She poo-poo'ed it at first but now we both feel better about it as she gets older and forgets things on the stove sometimes.
I don't know why we don't teach an entire class at school with just training and simulation for emergencies like using an extinguisher, CPR, First aid, changing a tire, conflict resolution and how to diffuse tense situations..
Well I do know why but no use mentioning it. Still should be done.
Hi Stef. Thanks for sharing this experience with us. Whilst I am confident in my abilities, your video has prompted me to 'test' these abilities and do the same exercise. Well worth the time and $$ in a sim. Thanks again!
Good on you Mark, I don't think you'll regret that decision. I was originally thinking this video might just be interesting content to share, but I genuinely learned a lot over the course of filming as well. I'm definitely making this a regular part of my ongoing training.
Possibly the most relevant video i have seen on youtube for a long time, watching this i was reaching for the fuel selector and sweating with you. i will be over in Victoria early next year and will try to book a sim session with Mike while there. Thanks Stef, great video.
This may be my favorite video yet. This was so cool. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching Jack 👍
Very informative! I want to give the SR22 full motion sim a go.
I'm gonna have to get down there someday and fly that thing: the simulator. That should be essential for every pilot who are just starting out to fly.
Wonderful video Stef. Great to see you work the problem
I agree with everything you said in this video. I did similar training with Mike Radomsky in Las Vegas a couple weeks ago. I highly recommend all citrus pilots take the training, you will learn a lot.
Thanks for sharing that, 100% agree. Cheers MrHampilot.
The engine in that sim aircraft was a real lemon. Orange you glad that you are now better prepared handle a real emergency? Your demonstrated preparation and successful handling of such an incident will most certainly put you in the limelight. 😎
(okay, I think I got all the puns worked out of my system for now)
That looks so awesome! I've never seen anyone pull the parachute.
That did not look as violent in the SIM as CAPS deployment appears in real life... the videos I've seen the pitch up is insane.
I know what it feels like when skydiving and it's anything but gentle, I can only imagine what it feels like when it's trying to slow down a 2000lb aircraft.
3:33 , he just did magic! XD
Forgot to say thanks for bringing this to our attention, excellent!
Great stuff Stef. Your best video yet!
Can we see more of emergency scenarios and their management in the future?...
Thanks mnv747, and yeah I’ll see what I can do. Any excuse to get back in that sim, lots of fun.
That was really cool to see. Really enjoyed this one. Thanks for sharing...
Love your vids Aus Flight Simmer!
Wow, I feel like this guy is going to sell me a miracle cleaning product.
Your instructor is absolutely legend.
He's awesome, I love flying with Mike.
Well done mate. I learned a lot watching you work through the decision process.
Engine running rough first step turn back to the field... this is the problem with Sirrus they teach that a engine failure is unrecoverable above 500 feet...
Excellent !
Great video. How good is that sim? Like Mike “the failer of engines” 😂😂
Yeah it's a great machine, lots of fun and a really good learning experience. And glad you spotted that, I try and give him a new title in each video... 😁
Very interesting as a non-pilot - looking at how you deal with the emergencies and if you are only to take one thing from it is keep a level head! You managed your available time well from what I noticed, but clearly having a level head allows you to best react and use your ingrained training. Nice.
Thanks JB, remaining calm in a situation like this is very important. I guess you’ll never know how you’ll react in a real life situation, but I hope that’s where the training and procedures will kick in. Thanks for watching.
Brilliant video. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching Kevin, I"m glad you enjoyed that one. Cheers, stef 👍
Great video, thanks!
Amazing! Loving all your videos mate! I'd love it if you could come and visit Coffs Harbour. Keep up the amazing work!
Cheers Igamerfellow, haven't flown into Coffs before but I'd definitely like to do some flying up the East coast. If I head up that way I'll be sure to announce it so perhaps we can do a meet up or something. Thanks for watching, stef 👍
Stefan, great video and an excellent resource to have of emergency training procedures. I think a lot of us after becoming certificated private pilots become complacent in doing maneuvers and especially emergency procedures. We "assume" all is well. Disaster can strike when not fully prepared for the unthinkable or unexpected. If weather is bad to fly, fly the simulator. On another note...kill the music during the training.
Thanks SPD, glad you enjoyed the video.
Great as always Stefan. I would love it if you did a video of you going on a hypobaric chamber and testing what hypoxia does to your body.
Ooh great idea, that could be a lot of fun (and a good learning exercise as well). If you know of one in Aus let me know.
Stefan Drury I think there used to be one at point cook but not sure if it’s still there but knowing your symptoms of hypoxia was something I’ve always wanted to do.
awesome training!!
This was very interesting, and the more time you spend doing practice sessions like this the better off you will be if the real thing ever does happen. I wonder though if a real situation did occur how would i actually handle it. Would i simply panic and all training/practice sessions go out the window or would i be able to control my emotions and handle the situation as per my training. What i am getting at here is, how can one train to keep their emotions in check in a real world emergency situation ?? Thanks Stef
The peace of mind knowing your aircraft has a parachute must be exhilarating
Calx Royalty I’m exhilarated just thinking about it
THANK YOU FOR SHARING
The SR22 500agl the chute is available. The SR22T 600agl chute is available. The simulator failed to show a big nose down moment when the chute is pulled, that is the real world, may want them to reprogram that part. For those confused about when to pull CAPS. The factory advises to pull the chute when closer to the ground (under 1000agl), not attempt to land. By the time you assess a crash landing scenario you may have lost too much altitude to use CAPS. Of course it's fine to glide over an open area if possible, but pulling CAPS must not be delayed.
Great video, really interesting. I believe flight simulators are really useful, even basic ones. Shame that the full fat versions are not available for all GA aircraft. There's no substitute for real flying, in terms of day to day stuff, but practicing certain emergencies and different scenarios in a safe environment? Invaluable. 'Once you've learnt to fly It's all about decision making'.
Superb
I was really living through those emergencies with you - don't know how you kept so cool and didn't have to be carried out!
Quite an interesting video. Good to practice in a safe environment as you said. I found it interesting with the emergency where you pulled CAPS that you pull it without attempting a glide landing at all. Makes sense that this is the safest method but still surprised me. Would you only attempt a glide when CAPs isn't available?
The priority is on surviving the landing. The pilot's I watch say it's better to wreck plane, survive, and let your insurance replace the plane, than to die trying to land it normally.
If I was flying a plane I owned, and had put money and labor into, you bet I'd have a hard time pulling that level though.
Great video. I’m curious though why you were so eager to use CAPS I am training in a technam which has a CAPS equivalent and have been taught that it is a last resort, and to prioritise gliding the plane down to a safe landing place, because if you choose to use it you are giving up control of the aircraft.
Thanks Oliver. The Cirrus Standard Operating Procedures state when (and when not to) deploy CAPS in certain emergency situations. The theory on low level deployment if you lose the engine is that successfully (that's an important word) pulling off a survivable glide landing is hard. You have to find a suitable flat bit of terrain first of all, then you have to land it well, then you have to hope there are no obstructions on the ground, etc etc. Whereas descending under parachute means you are affected by the winds, but we are trained to position the aircraft so the wind pushes us to our designated landing area. So unless it's low level ( < 2000' AGL), you are actively troubleshooting and positioning the aircraft prior to deploying the parachute to give yourself the best chances of survival. Hope that helps, stef 👍
And because of people thinking of caps as a "last resort" a lot of airfact with perfectly working parachutes made smoking holes in the ground. After that they changed the training to make it not just a last resort but a safty feature that should be used, and in at certain times without any hesitation
What an interesting video! Very entertaining and informative!
Thanks IA, was a lot of fun to make and a great learning experience. stef 👍
Great stuff
I could feel the pressure!! Great way to practice. Thanks for bringing across the intensity so realistically! Why were you not at Cessnock hey? I got some Cirrus action coming in my videos soon.
I should have attached a heart rate monitor to be honest, it's very realistic and you do feel yourself bracing for impact when you touch down. Haven't been to YCNK for a while. I used to go there a lot when I flew out of Bankstown but should go back for sure. Could do a wine run for the missus....
Smooth landing. Just like real life
There was one incident at fairly high altitude, where the engine was on fire. They pulled the parachute, then had to face the decision to burn to death or jump to their doom. Fiberglass structures burn really well, and the height they were at, made the descent rather long. The whole thing was caught on film.
link?
wonderful
Stefan another great video. Can you recommend a good Cirrus SR22 aircraft for Flight Simulator X?
Carenado obviously
Mike has a new title: "Failer of Engines"
That was fascinating!
Cheers Robert, it was lots of fun to make so I'm glad you enjoyed that.
Nice video !
Great vid!
Cheers Jason.
On the second one you could have turned back to the airport. When your engine started to run rough I was literally screaming at my monitor turn towards the airport, but you just kept going straight further and further from the airport. I know I would have definitely turned around while the engine was running rough and then glided the rest of the way to the airport, the only problem I would have to land with tail wind, but it was doable, you didn't have to pull the chute.
You're right. But I mean. Point of the video was using the chute wasn't it?
You are right -- that guy is more interested in getting subscribers and fake-flying, than being practical -- not good pilot material!
Jesus, the point of the flying is to practice using the parachute. Its more about the procedure around using the parachute than the flying itself.
@@HarryBird WRONG! The point of safe flying is to NOT have to use a chute, but to have the training to be able to handle your aircraft (and your brain) without it. There are very few times a chute would be necessary in an aircraft -- it was the rather un-informed and not-well-thought-out gimmick of someone who thought they'd make a lot of money! A well planned flight plan, consideration of ALL the possibilities if you get in trouble, and good airmanship would preclude use of a chute on an aircraft most of the time. Parachutes can tangle, stream, may things that would drop a plane to its demise. NOTHING can take the place of practice and sufficient training, planning and sensible caution, of course.
M.J. Leger You misunderstood what I was saying. The point of him flying the simulator that day was to practice using the parachute. I agree with what you say about the point of flying as a whole though.
awesome stuff !!!
Thanks for watching 👍
That initial hesitation would be "is this really happening?" ....very nicely done. The decision to use the chute, apart from height restriction, purely up to the pilot? If you think you can do better by landing in a paddock and possibly saving the landing gear? Or is it one of those things where on average you're always better using the chute?
That eye contact... i couldn't watch any more
Nice work Mike, good to see you back at ymmb..
That looked like great fun Stef. One question though, during the engine failure at height you immediately pulled the chute. Is that the standard procedure as I had thought you would only use it when a standard forced landing was not practicable?
Thanks, the procedure is below 500' AGL, land straight ahead. From 500 to 2000' AGL, it's an immediate CAPS pull. That's the procedure we're trained. There are a few exceptions that weren't covered here, and to non Cirrus pilots if may seem weird/wrong, but I'd always rather plop down under a parachute than try and execute a good forced landing especially when large flat obstacle free areas may be hard to locate with such little time.
I was just thinking that there might be times when a good forced landing would cause less damage. If the chute is deployed what damage (repair costs) is they likely to cause? Not being awkward Stef, just interested.
Most SR20/22 that land on CAPS are too mangled to fly again, that's because wing causes a wing to land first and bends wing spars badly. However it is eminently possible that won't happen and the plane will be fine with only the cost of a couple of used Skyhawks in repairs.
depends on insurance as well. if the insurance states to follow POH, and you don't, you went get paid out. also, any forced landing is not about damage prevention to the air frame, but to the occupants. I'd rather live to worry about a damaged airplane than try and prevent damage and die or severely injure myself in the process.
Nice! Every private pilot should try and do some simulator sessions. It is invaluable. I have to do 6-monthly sim checks and an annual route check. As stressful as they are, they are essential so that if the worst happens in flight you can carry out the required actions almost instinctively. Given the likelihood of an engine failing in a GA aircraft is considerably higher than a jet or turboprop the training should be mandatory...
What is that joystick???
When you pull the CAPS and land, is the SR22 repairable or it's pretty much totaled?
What simulation software do they use?
what happens if you deploy the shoot while upside down?
The real life Cap of the guy over the pacific shows the pilot idled the bird and deployed the chute, the nose went real high. But I guess for Sim purposes that will have to do. Pretty cool.
So can recertification after deployment of fuselage take place, or is it a total right off?
1700 ft per minute?? That's like 30 ft per second. That's basically falling. I'd take my chance on a dead stick landing.
Unless there is icing, I am in a flat spin, I collided mid air or my aircraft broke up I would never pull that thing. If it was 800ft/m okay, but 1700ft/m is achievable by almost any crash landing
No fatalities in any CAPS deployment so far
@@RainbowManification but still, I wouldn't do it if I saw any other possibility. 1700ft/m is almost 10m/s. That's really fast.
Yea, but falling vertically at 30 feet a second in an airframe designed to protect its occupants is way different than gliding horizontally (or stalling STRAIGHT DOWN) into a structure, traffic , etc. The system has its use for sure.
the math comes out to 18 MPH... aircraft hitting a field at 18mph is going to turn out better than hitting it at 80 mph. The cirrus parachute has had 100% success above 100 ft. and under Vne. 100% have lived. There have been a good handful that pulled too low, which isnt survivable
I've never flown an aircraft with a yoke/control like that, it looks uncomfortable. Do you like it and was it easy to get used to?
It’s surprisingly easy to get used to. I was a bit sceptical having come from a central yoke in a PA28 previously, and wasn’t sure if the spring loading would give me the same “feel”. But honestly after the first flight I loved it. It’s super responsive, very stable, and the electric trim is the cherry on the top for easily setting stable aspects of flight. Big fan.
Stefan what is it that you do for a living
Make money
Poppyair plane probably I high paying job
Julian R You made my day 😂
Fantastic Stef. Do you know what simulator software they use ????
Prepared 3D or X Plane or something else. I have a youtube GA channel so im interested. It looked good. Im a LSA pilot when im in Aust. :) Have a fantastic day. :)
Hey, sorry I'm not sure what the software was. I know it was running off a Windows machine but that's about it. If you shoot a message to Avia Aviation I'm sure they can tell you.
stefan i would like to ask you a question and i would love to get a reply from your side. when the plane land through a chute will it be flyable again. sp. with the vision jet. please answer me.
What software do these simulator cabs use?
What is the lowest elevation that deployment
is as useful as a 2000' elevation deployment ?
You can see on 1:25 a fairly common used speaker, lol. It's a Logitech Z906 Surround Set-Speaker. It's regulary sold to consumers, not business, lol!
Don't forget as part of A.N.C.A you need to be able to put out a MAYDAY. I know you were concentrating on flying and practising the checks, but part of it is communicate to let someone know you are carrying out a forced landing. Honestly, I did let this drop for a while whilst practising EPs and then when I got in the real aircraft and practised the same EP I forgot about the PAN call. So practice every aspect of the flight.
i want one for the man cave!!
It's pretty awesome hey? I know what I'm asking my wife for Christmas...
9:43 DAMN YOU CAN TELL THIS WAS FILMED PRE-COVID! 😆😂🤣 They’re like a foot a part!!
The cirrus is such a fantastic aircraft! It has a century of aerodynamic research behind it. This thing is so aerodynamic that you can’t even recover it from a spin. That’s why they have a parachute, because that’s the only way the FAA would certify them. Yeah, fantastic airplane.
I’ve been in that sim
super enjoy it :)
Caps available at elevations higher than 500' ?
What kinda sidestick/yoke is that?
A Mix of Cessna, airbus and boeing!
Windows exclamation sound should be the default alert for avionics failure!
Haha glad you spotted that little Easter Egg 🤣
why would you should down a still partially running engine..I would let it run even with just a little bit of power until it seizes ...or is it because the danger of a fire when it blows up ?
bobl78 if you’re in a crash and the engine catches fire, the last thing you want is to continue feeding that fire from the fuel tanks. So perhaps the most critical checklist item before getting the plane onto the ground is cutting the fuel supply line, and by extension, cutting power to the engine
Good video.
Thanks for watching Rob.
Did I hear right ROD under the chute is 1700 fpm?....
If that's true I would only use it if the plane is completely not flyable anymore
What is the cost to rearrange the BSR be back in the tube. Is not this all in the simulator.
nice sim
To be honest on emergency 2 at that hight you could of back tracked back to the run way there was plenty of speed and hight
Great video, I remember on your recent outback series you were saying CAPS available or similar after taking off. Not knowing what that meant I googled it and discovered it was the Cirrus parachute system, great to see in what situations and how it is deployed. Didn’t see Milkshake in there with you.
Thanks Peter, yeah that “CAPS available” call out is very relevant in this video, it determines the point between a landing straight ahead of an immediate CAPS pull on climb out. And Milkshake was having the day off today, though she would have enjoyed the ride in the sim I’m sure. She will return! 🐄👍
DId they tone down the impact effects? It seems the touchdowns were a little on the smooth side, especially the parachute. maybe it's go-pro stabilization, or cause it's a YT video.
Great video. Music is a bit loud in parts. I want one of these CAPS on my moped.
I cry a bit inside when I see a cirrus popping the chute
So in emergency two you were 1100' over the field when the engine failed. Could you at least try to do an impossible turn before writing the aircraft off?
I just flew a similar flight in X-plane in an Aquila 211. I started an impossible turn two seconds after simulating the engine failure at 1500' and landed mid field on 17L.
Who cares about saving the airplane if you have a parachute
that's pretty neat, didn't know Cirrus simulators existed until now. i take it you dont need type rating to fly in a cirrus?
You need a certification from a qualified CSIP (Cirrus Standardised Instructor Pilot) to hire an SR20/22 from the FBOs in Moorabbin. If you're purchasing one and have never flown before I believe Cirrus give you the training as part of the purchase package. The SF50 (the jet) does require a type rating though I believe, but others may correct me on that.
i presume the minimum time for a check ride in a cirrus depends on a rental company, e.g. i normally fly 172R but if i wanted to fly in a 182 skyhawk I need a minmum of 5 dual hrs in a 182. im based out of Canada, and there are very ffew flying clubs that have SR22s.
@@StefanDrury you are correct the SF50 requires a type rating
I have to have a sr22 cause I got in trouble
Honest question here. I am in no shape or form a pilot and only flying experience I have is with a video game controller. But on the second failure, would bringing flaps down to full and trimming up bring the aircraft to a controlled glide where you can safely land it? I mean, it was still on the climb out and I’m sure the airport was achievable. Or am I talking out of my butt and have no idea how it works in the real world? I’ve always pictured myself using flaps and trim to slowly decent for a safe landing. Or is the “no engine” scenario a bad idea to do my procedure and would inevitably cause a major stall?
flaps increase drag to increase lift,its a trade-off,your only velocity is gravity,hence you need altitude,a stall will happen so quickly,then you drop,not like a leaf,but an elephant.the basic physics apply.