Transitioning To The Cirrus SR22
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2022
- On day 28 of our 31 Day Safer Pilot Challenge, I will share the process of transitioning to the Cirrus SR22.
Comment below if you are 28 for 28 in our 31 Day SPC!
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Very humble attitude. Especially from a guy who has tons of hours of Instruction Given....Thanks for the video.
I've done all my single engine training in the SR20. The first time I got in an SR22, my instructor told me it's basically the same except everything happens faster. I remember that initial rotation, I was pitching for Vy at around the same pitch attitude I was in the 20 initially and I was astounded by how that thing just kept building airspeed and how I was having to keep pitching up and up. My inner response as Jeremy Clarkson would say was WHAT A MACHINE!!
Wait till you get into mountains and the SR22T.
I’m a corporate pilot flying Global Express, but the more I learn the more I realize that there is so many things I’d like to study and fly. Even though I fly a great jet, I’ll go ahead and take a transition course on Cirrus. Almost forgot how great it is to hand fly)) Thank you for inspiration. Thank you for such a wonderful channel!
Getting my PPL, your content has made my journey that much more enjoyable and understanding. Happy flying!
I transitioned to a Cirrus when I started my instrument training. Now, nearly 2 years later, I love it and love the redundancies built in as well
I went from a 172 with about 200 hours, PPL, IRF, started multi and then I had a chance to fly the SR22T and that was all she wrote! Now at 400+ hours, just under 200 in the SR22T. Love it!
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In my school, we start on either C172 or PA-28 for private and Single engine commercial. Then SR-20 for instrument. Then finally PA-44 for multi. I think these transitions are beneficial for students and gives them tuns of experience.
28 for 28! I remember going from a 150 to a 172 seemed like a big step-up!! Finished Instrument last year, starting Commercial now and hope to finish it by mid-year!
I went from a 172 to a Saratoga turbo with retractable landing gear right after getting my license. It's expensive to fly, insure and maintain, but it fits our mission.
My flight school transitioned their fleet to SR20s in 2017. One of the first schools to do it. There were naysayers but I’m grateful for the foresight they had in making that call. So glad to have done the majority of my training in the SR20 at Southern Utah University! Go T-birds!
I just purchased a SR22 and love it. All of my hours have been in the 172. Right rudder on the take off roll and climb out is paramount.
28 4 28 just simply a great video and so well spoken. Bravo Jason !!!!
From a 172 training platform to my purchase of a low wing PA 28 ; I can at times see myself venturing into another Low wing , although with retractable gear and a few more ponies…… transitioning to a new platform I find to be most exhilarating in being educated with something new and at my age there is personal gratification . A big thank you goes out to you and your wonderful team for sharing Aviation with us like nobody else can……………..God Bless 🙏🏻✈️✌🏻
All the best. I got my PPL and then bought an SR22T. I felt a bit inexperienced hence i got around 55 hours of training with a CSIP before I went solo. Great aircraft but training is the key I feel! Now im doing my IFR training on it!
Got my private in a 172A model. Just got a Mooney J model and loving it. As an 80 hour fresh private pilot it has been quite a jump for sure. The first several flights with my flight instructor my head was spinning as everything was happening so much faster and there was so much more to manage. It’s starting to slow down for me now as I’m getting used to everything. I’m in love for sure!
Day 28/28 thanks for making these awesome videos! I decided to learn to fly a year ago yesterday and i just purchased your (pass your private pilot check ride audio book) about to get my private license. And i’m defiantly going to be using your ground school for my instrument!
I've fueled that Cirrus! Nate's a cool guy, I'll bet he's a great instructor. Love the videos Jason, definitely have helped out a lot in training!
28/28. Yes. Transitioning is definitely a great time to learn. Different procedures and different environments. Jason, I’m glad you had your training by a CSIP. That definitely helped my transition into a Cirrus. You were saying about “staying ahead of the plane”; doing that helps when you run Flows (especially with a TAA and HP that a Cirrus is) and backing it up with a Checklist (use the one on the G1000 because you would be heads-up, not down looking at a checklist). Thanks MzeroA team! You guys are awesome! - Jarrett
Great video. 172 to a few flights in SR22s now own a SR20 G1. Fortunate to get Embark training with a great CSIP, which definitely helps that transition. Love the Cirrus. Want to go to my first CPPP this year. Thanks for posting.
Excellent Video Jason! Really Nice Plane! Thank You For Sharing It With Us!
I started my training in a C-172. A few months after getting my PPL, I had access to a C-210. So I re-trained in it to get my complex hi-performance rating. I was frustrated with trying to get ahead of this aircraft! It seemed like I had plateaued for weeks and just couldn’t get the hang of it. But one day while dual-training and making landing after landing (at KRFD) - it CLICKED! The paradigm suddenly shifted and I was able to manage the flow and stay ahead. What a great day that was!! The joy of having that extra performance and versatility still exhilarates me- even 40 years later!! Like Jason always urges: don’t give up!!
I went from a pa28 to a rv-10 such a huge difference. So happy I did.
I transitioned from an Arrow (my first plane) to an SR22 NA about 8 years ago. Steam gauges to glass cockpit was definitely a major change - it took me about 25 hours before I really started to feel comfortable in the Cirrus. A year ago, I moved from the 22 NA to a 22T. Much less of an adjustment, but still plenty of things to learn, particularly going from Avidyne Entegra to Garmin 1000, which is a much more capable system, and a different mode of engine management from the NA to the turbo. Still learning the ins and outs of the avionics and the power plant.
Great video. I want to do the transition after my PPL is done in the next 4-6 weeks. Thank you doing this video! Great to see everyone learn!
Great video 👍. I mentioned in a previous comment that I was transitioning to a sportstar, from a 172, just because it'll be cheaper to get the hours I need for CPL, but the transition was tricker than I thought. The Sportstar is way more demanding compared to a 172. It has less mass, so it gets blown about a lot more and has less inertia, so it drops speed real quick, then there was the small margin between flap overspeed and stall on approach. All that meant it took me a lot longer to get used to the Sportstar. I'll be checked off on it this week for solo work, but the next thing I'll get checked out on will be a 182RG, to complete a lot of my CPL NAV training.
Nice video. I transitioned from a school buss (piper cherokee) to an M3 (vans rv6 w constant prop) going from 95 knts to 157 knts was a lot of fun
I went from a 172 - sr20 - sr22. For frequent trips here in the southwest, (AZ) that extra power was needed on trips to Flagstaff, Vegas, and San Diego. Absolutely love that airplane and the transition from a 20 to a 22 was super easy and seamless. Just a lot more $. Both for fuel and rental.
SR22 parked on the ramp next to my 150 last week. Same livery as the one you are flying. What a plane!!! I can only imagine what it is like to fly one. I am a very low time student, but am already hooked. Too bad I had to wait until my mid 50's to start. At least my 19 year old son started early enough so that he can have a career in aviation. I am relegated to it being just a hobby at this point in all likelihood. I have a hard time imagining a 172 lol.
I made a transition from c172/pa28 to a turbo retractable saratoga pa32r, it’s been more than a 100hrs and I’m still learning new things about managing the engine
I did the transition training from a 172 to an SR-20 G6 then the SR22T - G6. Cirrus has a fantastic training program to help pilots through this transition.
I took delivery of my SR22 G6 in October coming from a piper Cherokee 6. PA-32. The flight instructors are great and the three days TYS was an amazing experience and absolutely love my Cirrus. I tell people that it was like going from a station wagon to a Porsche. BTW, I learned something in this video. I didn’t know I could zoom into a weather system and see the tops and speed of a storm like that. Will be trying that on my next flight.
I did most of my private training in a pacer. Two days before my check ride, I transitioned to a 172 (ground effect was a new challenge). Flew the 172 about 20 more hours after my check ride and bought an SR22T. It's drinking from the firehose at first (avionics) but it was worth it for sure. Great plane and will suit me for a long time. 28 for 28
I’m a student at embry riddle In Prescott, Az. I transitioned from a CSA SPORTCRUISER to a 172, then transitioned to an SR20. The hardest part of everything was not the flying itself but the act of being the pilot and staying ahead of the aircraft. Things happen so much faster at even 100 knots vs 90. This is something you have to be mentally prepared for in order to truly be a safe pilot in your aircraft.
Very true! Things can happen very quickly if you're not ahead of the plane.
Thanks for the helpful information, great job. I'm currently flying a Cessna 206 and looking now at a SR22T.
Nearing the completion of my PPL, but my instructor offered me a chance of trying out the cirrus the flight school recently got and I jumped on it. Very different from the cherokee 140 I was used too, but once you get into it, everything is pretty similar, up until you push the throttle forward. Awesome plane, and I hope to do my instrument training in it!
Got my private in 2012 in a 172 (total 90hrs), spent a bunch of time in a Warrior (64hrs), and finally switched to new SR20 & SR22T rentals this past summer (after getting tired of things falling off the older rentals). Awesome planes. Highly recommended.
Picked up my IFR in the SR20 and already have 90 hours across the Cirrus'. Did my first flight from Seattle to SF last week with an approach to mins+100'. It was a blast.
Most importantly, after years of my family not being interested in my flying, they now feel safer with my skills (IFR), electronics (G1000), and Cirrus in general (+ parachute!) that they actually want to join me. I'm looking forward to lots of fun family trips.
After nearly 3 years and 300 hours in our SR20, I am presently looking at options to transition into a SR22T, so thanks for the input, So looing forward to the performance upgrade and Carrying Capacity.
I bought a SR20 in 2005. The transition training I got in Duluth, was the best training I ever got. Hope the quality is still similar.
Cherokee to Cirrus was a huge change. Luckily, I started with the SR20 before moving to the SR22. I have the NA plane which is fine around the southeast. I like to see what I am flying over. Love my Cirrus!!
Great video! Thanks and love the colour of that SR22,👍😀
I was at about 90 hours of C172 time when I transitioned to a PA-28-181. Took me about 5 flights or so to be able to solo, and I was still going out dual after that to dial in my night and crosswind landings in it before I started my IR in the same aircraft. I'm still learning to handle it in a variety of conditions. Always learning!
Going from a C172 to a C182 was an adventure (not too bad but definitely some learning to do) and I'm currently about halfway through getting checked out in a Mooney M20J.... which is way different especially adding the gear into the mix. All fun though! Loving it. And taking my time until *I* feel comfortable flying it.
PPL in a 172, then 2 years in a classic 182 club. Yesterday was my first experience in an SR20, and...wow. Completely different flight characteristics. I was especially blown away by the sight picture on final - Feels like the nose is pointing straight at the ground! So excited to get my instrument rating in N312AR. Thanks for the video!
Well we've almost made it the whole 31 days to a safer pilot challenge. I'm 28 for 28. These are some great videos.
From my Cessna Cardinal 177RG to the Cirrus SR22 G5, I found the truly challenging part being the technology of the Garmin Perspective. This was especially true as I started instrument training. I like to say that I am learning to speak Garmin. Other pilots always ask about the side yoke. It took a matter of seconds to get comfortable with using it. It’s a wonderful aircraft.
I just recently changed from a Diamond DA-20 to a Piper Archer III.
The amount of power was mindblowing. I suddenly had half the time in the pattern and instead of climbing at 500ft/min it climbs at 1200ft/min.
Took me 2-3 flights to get used to it for sure.
Thanks for posting this video. Today I signed up for my PPL training with a Cirrus training center in the DFW area. I will be training in an SR-20 from day #1 and will eventually transition into an SR-22. I could not be more excited. I plan to purchase an SR-22 sometime during my instrument training.
I'm right behind you, down the exact path, different part of the country though...
I transitioned from the 172 S to the 182 T (both G1000); then I took on the challenge of the Mooney M20 J (Steam Gage); The Mooney was a whole new universe, but it prepared me for my transition to the Cirrus SR-22. I did stay with the 182 T (and the 172 S when I wanted to save money) even after many hours of the SR-22, but that was because I found staying with the Garmin kept my proficiency in the cockpit at the level I require for my personal minimums. Great video - Thanks!
28 for 28! My next step is to actually start flight training! It's been a long time coming with hurdles both financial and familial but I think I have finally gotten everything in place to be able to start training in the spring!
28-28 i have recently transitioned from a C172N to a C172S withG1000. Now i am aiming for my instrument rating. Thanks for the great video’s great content!
Having been out of aviation since 2007 and starting a new job a couple of weeks ago I can’t wait to jump back in the cockpit in March. Been loving the videos get my grey matter functioning again.
Congrats! Great to hear you're getting back in the cockpit, keep us up to date on how it goes!
I just applied to Cirrus in Scottsdale AZ! Im really hoping this opportunity falls in place for me, so happy I found your video
Best of luck Theo!
I fly a Gen2 cj4 and a G6 Sr-22T and love the cirrus. It does thing we can’t or don’t do in the jet.
When I re-certified recently I knew I wanted to buy an aircraft of my own, I originally trained in a 150 aerobat and a 172 (20 yrs ago) and this time I did 20 hours in a robin DR400 to regain my licence. I bought a piper arrow with retractable undercarriage and variable pitch prop.. it took me 4 hours but it still took 3 or 4 hours after being signed off before I was completely comfortable.. it takes time.
28/28... Loved transitioning to SR series (20 and then 22)...an extremely capable aircraft. Embrace the technology and don't look back ;-). Attending CPPP in Ocala (March)... completing commercial certificate...CAP mission pilot...CAMEL...transition to turbine/turboprop all next for 2022 (Aviation related activities).
I did a Cirrus SR20 transition after 38 years of flying and more than 1,000 hrs. (I’m at 41 years now and 1,100 hrs.). That transition takes effort. It’s not to be taken lightly. Take nothing for granted. Flying is serious business, even when done just for pleasure.
I transitioned from a Piper Cherokee to a Lancair ES IO550 after 80 hours in total. Did my HP endorsement (2hrs) in SR22. I plan for 180kts but regularly cruise at 190.
Heart has been set on a Mooney m20 since I first started learning to fly. May have the opportunity to get my own soon and excited at the prospect!
Hey same here - my heart is set on a Mooney as well. (Or maybe glasair if i can find one). But in either case its a lot to learn!
I have countless hours in Mooneys. I found they deliver the best fuel economy with respectable groundspeeds.
Love your videos man I just recently got my private license and am working towards my instrument now! I have not had a major transition to a different aircraft yet but will be prepared and excited when that happens!
Thought I'd say hi (from Wales) as the first viewer..
Im a long way off flying anything like this. Thank you for your posts
Half way through my PPL I was flying a rental C172 and then purchased a 200+ HP Piper Turbo Dakota and finished my license. Much higher climb rate. Made power on stalls a lot different as the Dakota can stand on end with all that power. Pattern airspeeds were faster and took a little getting used too. Best decision I could have made. If you plan to own a plane (that fits your mission) after getting your license, training in the plane I will fly every week is a real bonus. New for 2022 starting my Instrument Rating. 🛫
I got to sit in the pilot seat of a new Cirrus jet during an air show. What a rush! So tempting to hit that switch, and watch it light up.
Switching from single engine to multi was a big learning curve for me and it took a while to get used to the new enviorment. I really had to slow down and think sometimes as it was much quicker than I was used to.
The SR22 G6 was the first aircraft i flew and the aircraft i did my license on, i love it!
Jason I’m in KGNV now, moved here from Ocala. Currently fly a Bristell experimental IFR. Have an SR22T on order. Can’t wait.
It took me 7 hrs, 36 pages of questions I had to answer from the POH on systems and a minimum of 25 landings before my checkout was complete. I transitioned from an Arrow II. The flying was easy, it was the operations and systems that took time. Sweet plane to fly SR20.
What's next for me this year is transitioning from a club C172M to my own home-built Vans RV-12. It's pretty much the same speed as the 172 but it's 100 HP, 2 place, has a glass cockpit and handles like a sports car. It is much lighter so will take some getting used to. I have 5 hours of transition training about 6 to 7 years ago but will get more before I make the first ever flight in my plane later this spring or early summer. Looking forward to the experience of being the first person to fly the plane into the air.
Next for me is getting my HP endorsement. I'm 20% owner of a 0/0 time 182B. Waiting for it to get avionics finished and FLY! Great video, Jason.
I learned to fly in Cherokees and felt right at home in an Arrow and a Seneca. More to do, things happen faster, but fundamentally the same plane. Cessnas (152/172/182) were a learning curve, but a plane's a plane. Flying a Citabria was a challenge, but great fun.
Meaningful IFR here in British Columbia means a turbo with FIKI nice to have. A bit out of my price range, alas...
A rusty pilot here appreciates your videos!
Every airplane has a change! Mil guy, T-6 was crazy, T-1(BE400)even crazier small business jet as a student with a 100 hrs, then a KC-135 (B707/720), now the airlines, but also teaching back in the T-1, always things to learn especially teaching it. But it’s always fun! And always learning!
I’m still a student pilot started learning in a sr20 I absolutely love it.
I know exactly what you are talking about! I received my private in a 172 3 1/2 years ago. Stepped up to a Columbia 350 - got HP rating- then received my Instrument in a Columbia 400 with G1000. Lots of training and training with a Cessna training pilot. Now recently in a Cessna TTx with G2000…yes training again! Slowly working towards my Commercial. Study, study…fly, fly!
Great video!! I'm gonna start out with building a runway way and start out with a glider. I'm moving to Upstate NY soon. Got 15 acres.. I think I should be able to get a full length runway on it. Just have to get to know any kinda close neighbors when I move in the next couple of weeks. Great video!! Idk which ATC I have to get a hold of being ten miles away from the border of Canada.
I flew a PA-28-151 for my private and then transitioned into a Cessna 182 for my High Performance Endorsement. It was definitely a totally different experience. Now, I fly my Piper Cherokee (PA-28-140) with a Power Flow that boosts the engine to about 160HP (traditional).
Finally getting to see today episode. 28 of 28 wooohooooo. Very Very nice airplane, and yes would love to someday transition to a SR-22. This year's aviator goal is IFR certification and drone competency. Working on my two year plan to buy my own airplane.
I always wanted to fly since I was a little kid and I"m the only one in my immediate or extended family that has pursued aviation. I started my training on a Cirrus SR20 G6 because my wife wouldnt let me fly a Cessna :) Training was pretty difficult as you say, staying ahead of the airplane is the challenge when you're traveling so darn fast. Its SO easy to get task saturated in the beginning of your training! I was not only learning to fly,, I was learning the radios, procedures, weather, AND the aircraft. The avionics is the most challenging aspect of flying a Cirrus and there is a steep learning curve toward mastering it. I'm still learning 10 different ways to get to a screen or function. I used Mzero A for my PPL ground school and couldnt recommend it enough. Its extraordinary. I would love to see an in-depth Perspective+ mastery course because 99% of the Cirrus pilots I speak to say thats the #1 thing they would like to really hone in and level up with in their Cirrus. Would I recommend learning to fly on the cirrus? Yes, with the understanding that it will be more difficult to learn. I would also start by diving into the avionics (lots of sim training) and pass my written test before I ever stepped foot into an actual CIrrus. This will save you a fortune. Keep up the good work Jason!
Flows helped me stay significantly ahead of the plane too 🤙🏻
28 for 28. After my PPL checkride I took several lessons in a PA-32R Saratoga. I got my high performance/complex endorsement. Now I am back to the good ol' Skyhawk for my instrument. Perhaps another "transition" is the fact that I did my PPL in steam gauge and my instrument is all G-1000. Hey Jason, I'd like to see you do a video on the difference between fixed pitch props and constant speed props. My transition to the Saratoga started with covering how to understand manifold pressure vs. RPMs vs. power. I'd love to see your thoughts on this.
I started in a sr20 and now in a pa-28 140. That was a tough transition for me. Took quite a few flights to become more comfortable
28-4-28/finishing up IFR and honing my skills. Great times ahead.
Cirrus transition is a dream for me and looking forward to it. 28 for 28. Thank you.
28/28. Started my PPL training on a Cherokee 180, but transitioned to a Sling 2 at my new flight school after old one went bankrupt and completed the rest of my PPL on it. Flying with a glass panel and a stick instead of round dials and a yoke was definitely a very weird feeling at first, but now I enjoy flying the Sling the most (even though I really miss the Cherokee) . I'm still trying to figure out how to properly trim the Sling to be honest but we're getting there 😂😂😂
Great video. I'm Planning to get my multi engine rating this year.
It is an eye opening experience. 50hrs in a C-172 straight to a twin jet engine T-37. Talk about being behind the aircraft at the beginning!
Im personally looking forward to seeing you making videos in a multi engine aircraft like a PA-44
I needed a new FBO to rent planes. Found one and had a 172 scheduled to check out. Got there only a Cirrus SR22. I hadn't thought about it but asked the instructor can we take that. His comment was that's a Cirrus. Long story short, 5 landings, the instructor said if you have a complex or high performance he would sign me off. I don't either of those. Told him I don't need them. The owner came in caught the tail end of that , said when was the last time you had anything added to your license. 1974 my commercial helicopter rating. He explained that I was grand fathered in. I am not sure why the Cirrus is all that special. ASMEL and Helicopter. Flew part 135 part time for 20 years
Will we see 23MZ in Cirrus form eventually. ;) My next isn't necessarily a transition to another airplane, but finally pursuing my CFI! Great content as always and have enjoyed another year of the "Safer Pilot Challenge!"
My transition from C172R and S models to Piper Dakota (235 HP) high performance airplane took about 2 hours of transition time initially. Constant speed prop and fuel, manifold pressure and RPM management was very different. I had my safety pilot during the transition help me build a performance profile for my aircraft so I could quickly know, what power, Manifold pressure and RPM settings along with pitch yielded what speed? in level cruise, descent, and climbs. This become a real "game changer" when I worked on my Instrument rating. Doing this part took about 6 hours total transition time - shooting approaches, testing this all out and validating it.
Building this profile and knowing, for example, that 15" of manifold pressure at 2400 RPM with -2 degrees of pitch and 10 degrees of flaps at IAF got me 100 knots and a 500 FPM descent allow you to fly more stable and then have you focus on other things during a high workload time.
I’m one of those guys that are getting his private pilot license learning in a cirrus sr 22. I have no experience in anything else. My instructor was a little apprehensive training me this way. However, he told me that I am having no more of a challenging time learning in my Cirrus than a person learning in a 172. And today I may solo for my first time! 4/8/22 weather permitting.
I'm going from a old C172 to SR20 perfect video
I've been working towards my instrument rating on a Cessna 172S G1000 lately (with about 22/40 instrument hours), but my flight school also has an SR20 and an SR22T. I'm seriously considering trying them out though, as the 22T is the only plane they'll let us do actual IFR/FIKI in since we are in a cold, high location.
I made a transition to a Beech Bonanza after flying 120hrs on 152/172.
The biggest challenges was to slow down the plane for descent/approach and go into the pattern with an reasonable speed. Here we sometimes have ridicolous narrow patterns, which you need to follow "on the line" because of noise abaitment. Very challenging in a Bonanza, when you did it in a 172 before...
Also the climbout to an assigned altitude short after takeoff needed some kind of awareness. The Beech always tried to climb away - she surely wants just fly...😁
I would have loved to have seen some of the transition training, it would made for a great longer video outside of the 31 day safer pilot challenge!
Love that green
Working on my commercial cert right now and train in g500 equipped archers, went out and rented a 6 pack 172 and it felt like i was learning how to fly all over again.
I got the chance to get checked out in a sr22, what a great plane, rental checkout was 10 hours and that was not over kill. Unfortunately I only got to fly a few times after check out before the owner pulled the plane from the lease back. I doubt I will be able to find another rental 22 in my airport.
28 for 28! Love the cirrus! On my bucket list for sure!!!
I did as student 10 hours on Piper decide to buy cirrus Sr22 on May 20222 and complete my students Pilot classes. As now I have 50 hours in the cirrus. Honestly great experience easy approach instructor think is fast so we extend are flying van nuys to Oxnard now Van nuys to Santa barbar santa maria or santa Ynez. . And ready to face my checkride.
28 for 28: My private pilot training was in a Piper Tomahawk, which has a 112hp engine. My instrument training was in a T-41B, which is the 210hp, military version, of the Cessna 172. And oh by the way, it was an awesome plane to fly. Couldn't have asked for a better platform to learn from. But yes, Making the transition from small 2 seater to a four seater that flew 40 knots faster took some time to get familiar with. Not only that but the Cessna panel and seat relationship was a considerable difference. How I viewed the world outside was completely different. Not something I would have ever thought could be a factor.
I did. I did my PPL at KPIE in a six pack with a constant speed, then 6 months I changed schools to epic flight academy at KEVB. They fly C172S with G1000 and started my instrument rating. That was a hard transition for me.
Transitioned from 150 to a 172 as a student pilot. Then after the certificate, learnt to fly a 200hp beechcraft. That beech transition took 1.5 hours but the 150->172 one took about 7!!! I mean dont get me wrong, I am still learning about the beech AND the 172. A good pilot is always learning!