Will police tackling protests outside Parliament keep MPs safe?
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- A government-commissioned review into political violence is calling for police to be given special powers to tackle protests outside Parliament.
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It comes after the Speaker of the House of Commons said that concerns over MPs' safety influenced his controversial handling of the Gaza ceasefire debate.
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The most legit place to protest is outside parliament.
If a protest is violent and noisy and disruptive, it's a riot. Should not be allowed. Noise and disruption was ok, when there were 10 times less people in the UK. Now it's not appropriate any more. Use internet and media, but no physical touch or noise should be allowed
Not if you are brown, black or muslim it seems.😅☕️
Different rules for different skin colours.
@@davidcooks2379 riots are already illegal.
So just keep it up, don't be oppressed people in your own country.
@@davidcooks2379 I agree no violence but I totally disagree with everything else you wrote especially when there seems to anti democratic influences in parliament.
They should be allowed unless they become violent. It's the best place to protest in my opinion
There has been a daily protest outside Antony blinken House in the DC for months legally.. He's more important then any UK MP 😮😅
It is the very foundation of democracy, no protest means losing the ability to say no!
people have a right to protest no matter the subject matter but now labelling it as a MP safety issue for some odd reason I wouldn't be suprised if the police jump at it like lapdogs. the police and parliament are long overdue for a proper clean out.
Yes, except terrorist sympathisers.
I think its mainly parliament
when fishy rishy put pressure on the met police to ban the london demonstrations, the commissioner stuck two fingers up at fishy...we commited no crime by peacefully demonstrating
@@kwanchan6745 You damage our historical sites and physically attack those who disagree. Those who support terrorism will not give up violence. You are not protesting peacefully.
Amazing shift in C4 strategy:
NO TACK AVOUT ZIONIST LOBBYING TO MBs , BY TRIPS ABROAD OR DONATIONS, BUT WHEN PEOPLE PROTEST THE GENOCIDE, IT BECOMES A CRIME
EGGS HAD ALWYS BEEN THROWN AT POLITICIANS
POLICE HAVE ALWAYS ARRESTED THE ATTAKER.
BUT NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF DEMOCRATIC BRITAIN THERE WAS A REQUEST TO ABANDON THE WHOLE PROTEST BECAUSE OF A UNLAWFUL INDIVIDUAL BEHAVIOUR.
Fishy Snake is letting his troops to park, on the protesters, then ask to arrest the protesters if they shout " STOP THE WAR".
If MPs and MP candidates go to your door to make false promises for ones vote, voters should have the Right to protest in front of MPs residencies.
British MPs act like this so important.. they're useless bunch of self interested a holes
What do you think this IS?
A Democracy!??
Our inalienable Right to assemble and redress your grievences to your government is freedom of speech & expression
Yes, nothing said about why there’s a need for people to be outside parliament in the first place. ie MP’a not representing their constituents wishes.
not when it becomes oppressive
Unless you live in my country 🇺🇸 there is no such thing.
Never mind MP’s what about the safety of the public
Hopefully your Jewish will leave to find safety elsewhere, and leave you to Islamists and facing a Russia alliance in a babkrupt state with a failing democracy.
The masses and masses of protesters... From all walks of life.... Are part of the same public you refer to.
I don't understand the insinuation. If there is any.
@@sabtaingopinath9652 not all of the masses of public agree with what your masses of public are protesting about, we too have a right to speak without being shut down by your masses of the public
@@SnackAttack6 who's shutting you down?... Your speaking your mind right now. It's your weird language that makes people feel uncomfortable.
You seem to have a siege mentality that your right wing media feeds off and makes you even more insecure about any situation involving people who don't look like you or have same religious beliefs.
But that's the whole point of democracy.
Europe has a long history of othering people.... From the Irish to the Jews... And no the Muslims.
And the irony is that it was Europeans who bombed several Muslim nations back to the stone age not too long ago, literally creating the circumstances thtt led to this mass unchecked immigration ... Killed millions in Iraq and Afghanistan.... And still have the nerve and audacity to talk down to normal, law abiding, tax paying Muslims living in the UK.
So so glad everyone from all sides has been exposed. That's the one good thing that came out of this mess. People got a good long look at each other.
@@SnackAttack6.... yeah, it's called counter protests you total sausage
Note how they use vague terms like "threats" and "intimidation" when related to protests but can provide no concrete examples beyond "they were loud". They say to send emails and letters instead because they are aware they can ignore them and won't be recorded on video ignoring their constituents.
Is murder vauge???
@@marielouisenilsson3766 Was someone murdered at a protest? No.
@therocketboost it's just a matter of time. Ban them in time! MP was murdered but that's not enough for you?
@@marielouisenilsson3766 So...no.
You must live under a rock, there's plenty of footage of people being intimidated at the march's for expressing their opinion. You either believe in democracy or you don't. If you don't support freedom of speech then ban all matches altogether.
Press went to Corbyn's house everyday. He probably felt intimidated as well.
Never heard of the press beheading anyone.
Not just the press. He was also attacked but the UK media laughed about it.
But the press didnt threaten his life etc
@@Dont_cry_my_guy so we should let goons dictate terms now is that what you're saying
@@strangestuff1213 hah? How did you cime to that conclusion?
MP's allowed safety, The People not allowed Safety.
WHY ARE THEY STOPPING US FROM PROTESTING!
The jews allowed safety as well???
@@marielouisenilsson3766So are the Germans against the French Resistance terrorists.
Why do they stop Christians singing hymns or peacefully preaching? Why do they stop people carrying the union jack flag?
@@rosarose3443when do they do any of the stuff you just mentioned?
@@danpatterson7108
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MP's safety was only suggested as an after thought, trying to spin it but truth is Starmer blaclmailed/bullied Hoyle and destroyed his career... Starmer needs to go
Well said.
Starmer emotionally blackmailed the Speaker by claiming MPs' lives were at risk.
He is morally unfit to be Prime Minister.
@@jmascisss So the government review being reported on is nonsense, since it appears to be confirming that MP's are under threat on occasion and MP's reporting that they have received threats are lying? Because if you not your attack on Starmer is nonsensical.
Sorry but your talking rubbish, he raised along with the Labour whip concerns which had been raised with him by his MP's about threats they had received. Given that two MP's have already been murdered by people who claimed political motives, he was just exercising his duty of care for his party members by raising it with the Speaker.
I agree they tried to introduce islamophobia via Hoyle as a tactic, after Starmer tried to hijack our democracy. Starmer is a threat to British democracy.
@@MrDeadhead1952mps are constantly under attack.. if they can’t take it give up the job
Of course Hoyle has completely changed his position and is clearlg lying to cover for Starmer. Starmer needs to go.
amazing, no MP was ever attacked outside the Parliament. why this police focus?
?! I can give you a crash course in logic if you want.
Don't be dense.
Distraction from the Speaker of the house.
Your great grandfather would be proud of you
. I'm assuming you are indigenous 😏
@@andrewroy4093The democratic spirit is not tied to any one nation.
"Angry protests"?
Oh, my!
Never heard of a "happy protest", though.
It doesn't logically make sense that there was a valid threat towards MPs before the vote because both parties amendments were very similar.
It seems more plausible that Hoyle was coerced by Labour, and this is just an excuse to not allow SNP written ammendment to not get heard as it was more critical of I.s.r.ael.
As Kid Starver Starmer said he _only urged_ Hoyle.
@@lyndaralph2335
Read what I said again then answer me, do you genuinely believe there was a high level threat made on the day SNP would have most likely won their ammendment?
Hoyle then changes usual protocol at the same time being *urged* by Kid Starver Starmer..
Kid Starver Starmer? The only ones starving kids in this country are the Tory party and they are the ones in power! Accusing Starmer like this is a bit thick.
Protesting peacefully loudly outside Parliament is literally the best place for anyone any group to protest!
I really don’t think they have the legitimacy (any of them) to pass a legislation prohibiting the right of protest. They should call general elections and include this point in their agenda.
*I HAVE READ 100 COMMENTS* and literally every single one is in support of peaceful protest outside parliament being a fundamental cornerstone of democracy...
When you lose 100% of the public - its time for you to GO...!!!
Yeah, I went to GBNews and it was the opposite...so...
100 p/cent based on comments you've read on certain politically leaning media outlets is your version of an empirical analysis 😂
@@MissOrchid12 WAAGGGH WAAAGHH does my analysis not correspond with your very neish views...???? channel 4 is pretty mainstream - its not Novara Media of GBEEBIES
and lets be real - its more research and analysis then you have done in a lifetime.
@@piccalillipit9211 'WAAAGH'?? Says it all. No Channel 4 is liberal.
Ignorance, narcissism & stupidly is a dangerous combo. How anyone can read UA-cam comments & then come to the conclusion that everyone agrees with the same thing....I can't 🙈🙈
The year is 2024....but it feels like 1984.
How many times has the parliament not called for a ceasefire? no one got threatened or their lives were put at risk, protesters were man handled by some officers without valid reasons but no MP got hurt. The system the public will use is protest, not vote for those not calling for a ceasefire and make everyone aware of what is happening in Palestine.
That is what has been happening for all these months.
Everything that happened in parliament yesterday has everything to do with Keir Stalmer, maybe like South Africa politician was threatened or maybe blackmailed to go along with what he said.
Public shouldn’t be blamed or used as a tool to incite trouble knowing everything goes in politics. Look at what happened with Boris Johnson, he was accused of blackmailing mps to vote for him to stay after covid issue.
This is getting Ridiculous now , are we being denied of our freedom of speech
I don't understand why this is so difficult ...98% of the british public want their MPs to vote for a ceasefire...why aren't they carrying out the will of the people ?
I guess they remember the boston tea party, and the backlash that came about when people were not represented in parliament, and that is what they fear when they are not carrying out the will of the people
seems some politicians don't believe brown skinned people should be allowed to voice their political opinions...probably those that have visited far right israel and believe us to be human animals
What difference does it make if MPs vote for a cease fire or not?? This is the UK. has NO impact whatsoever.
They need to be voting on issues here that are neglected.
@@MissOrchid12 wrong. The government can sanction Israel and make it legal to boycott their business like with South Africa. They can also stop sending money and weapons that are killing 30 000 people. Also they can stop vetoeing UN resolutions on Israel and finally vote to stop the inhumane regime there.
This is an issue where trust in the government and opposition has been eroded by dishonesty, criminality and zero accountability. The government and opposition is to blame for that. If they want to feel safe they already know what to do.
Hoyle hiding behind health and safety to save his skin is despicable!
Yes. It's not his job to make that decision.
MP’s safety is of major importance. The Speakers’ actions on Wednesday halted a vote on an amendment seeking a ceasefire and accusing Israel of “collective punishment”. This is a no brainer - Israel is collectively punishing the people of Gaza. The threats and intimidation on this point comes from behind the scenes by groups such as Conservative Friends of Israel & Labour Friends of Israel.
😂😂😂 What a joke cover up , no evidence of ‘ Who was exactly threatened now and why did they not report them to the police and where is all the investigation and police statements. And why try blame all protesters for few or on individual protesters that isn’t even named now . People don’t blame all of the politicians for the crime of 1 of few politicians .
looking like a trample on peoples right to protest . This could have an adverse effect to people's Democracy .
Don't like protests? Don't be an MP.
Don't want to represent your constituents? Don't be an MP.
Don't like accountability, Don't be an MP.
You Fd around and now you're all finding out.
We are fed up. We are dying we are screaming for justice and a country that reflects the WILL OF THE PEOPLE! Not parliments donors.
Its strange how they all hate the job but will fight like h3ll to keep it at the election...!?!?!?
They’re definitely scared now.
This is evil thought that born in parliament due to their selfishness. There's no single incident that concerns safety.
Shorter: _Will stifling free speech result in better deliberation and debate in the representative body of the people?_
Has anyone ever heard of the Suffragettes etc who famously protested outside Parliament . This has always been a British tradition… what has happened to people? Perhaps a diversion ?
John Woodcock is wrong. "Intimidation" is not a sign that the democratic process would be corrupted. Intimidation is a sign that the public have been ignored for too long to the point they are angry, and no suitable solution has yet been proposed. You cannot expect the public to be tolerant why then are repeatedly ill-treated and deceived.
YEP
People are sick of being ignored! The system let us down. Keir Starmer has to go. There must be some genuine socialists left in the Labour Party who could replace him!?
Because socialism has always been the solution. Perhaps read a little? 🙄
This guy is in the Lords, you cannot make it up!
Look at his background. A deeply compromised individual.
MPs wouldn't have any safety concerns if they didn't preach hatred and division. You reap what you sow. They should try listening to those protesters concerns and acting on them, not punishing them. That's only going to breed even more animosity. Were constantly being told what the people want. What people really want is the chance to have a say, a general election.
?! Your left wing judge people by skin colour if you hadnt noticed. Its victim verses opressor.
Politicians are the people shaping the country, if the country is full of hate, this is what politicians have done.
GROW UP.
After listening to the author of the report explaining the report's key recommendations, I haven't got a clue about the report.
His long-winded responses to direct questions were as clear as mud.
Indicative that a debate calling for a ceasefire after 29,000 innocent Palestinians have been murdered instead focuses on the near non threat to MP’s.
Should police be tackling corruption and Should assault inside parliament?
I'm sick to death of protests in London week in week out. it's outrageous. I don't care about the odd protest here and there but allowing one small group of people to keep protesting about a foreign issue is outrageous. Protesting outside an MPs home is totally unacceptable as its intimidating for everyone especially when people are leaving politics because of threats. We can not allow mob rule in this country and it should be stopped immediately. What about the rights of the people of London to walk freely wherever they choose? Instead of being free to walk or travel in London people have to check and plan accordingly because this group want to protest about something we have no say on.
I wonder if the people protesting would be happy with people protesting outside their homes?
Perhaps the politicians should do their jobs and represent the will of the people and then there would be no need for protests
Erm not sure it works quite like that.
@@blahqwe I posted the comment to see what would happen.
Within the next decade in the UK, you will end up like Sweden.
Some people, just a minority can break a fragile democracy, and some people here want to do just that, best of luck.
@@seang2700 So, instead, you should post some statistics, and not generalize.
@@seang2700You need to agree on what % would be considered the will of the people? Above 50% who have a specific demand that is not met?
In that case, a resonable list couldbe made, but in this case, the Palestine thing would not be on the list.
Incidentally, 360 000 dead including children in Yemen. Wrong war? Black on black? Where is the outrage?
The will of the people would also be for functioning democracy, safe MPs, and no jewish threatened and leaving.
The real author of the comment will have been looking to sound cool, clever, and to get 'likes'.
What about everyone else?
Guy Fawkes was spot on.
Never mind protecting the mps the police job is to protect the public
And keep people safe at Speakers corner !! Free speech
20,000+ people dead and we're supposed to care what happens to these pocket-stuffing clowns.
You can see where this is going. Obdurate politicians create self serving legislation, creating grievance and anger, someone shouts at said politicians and makes them poo their pants. Politicians cower and decide they need protection, then calling for police action, but allowing unrestricted measures to deal with any protests. What a great opportunity for police brutality, I still remember some years back when a man was deliberately knocked to the ground, hitting his head on the pavement and needing urgent medical treatment. No one was admonished or punished, and no politician dared comment. Politicians are free to dole out whatever they dream up, but when they are protested against, their arrogance demands that people should meekly accept their BS without a word. These are the creatures that 'the public' persist in giving their votes, so it's suck it up time or just don't patronize these self servers, but hey, they know you will.
There's no way that increased police response to protests will lead to frustrated protesters feeling there must be some other, more violent way to get their message across.
Perhaps fearful politicians is what's needed for them all to finally pull their fingers out, stop lying and address the misery and suffering they cause by their incompetence.
The duty of elected MPs is to represent the views and aspirations of the people in their constituency both in Parliament and beyond. If they neglect to listen to and act upon the wishes of those who entrusted them with their votes, they are unworthy of holding the position of representing us.
no. people providing weapons for genocide should not be held accountable.
Remember Brian Haw, one of the last people that was able to protest there, he did it until he died, RIP 🙏
This country just keeps moving backwards. If the public actually had a say on many of today’s issues we would be in a much better place. It’s feels like we’re back in the dark ages
Removing the option for peaceful protest only increases the chances that people will resort to violent protest. Instead of trying to shut protesters up, what about starting to listen to the reasons for their anger and addressing those?
Well if MP's done the right thing and voted for an immediate ceasefire they would have nothing to worry about. So it's their choice: their bank accounts or their safety.
A ceasefire would mean both sides.
Well you are absolutely right but since Oct 7th how many Israeli civilians and building were harmed and the answer is zero. so compare 30k Palestinian killed and most of the country destroyed to zero on the Israeli side does mean in terms of killing that it is Israel that needs to stop. @@rosarose3443
The People must learn that it is not appropriate to try and influence MPs in their duty through threats, intimidation and unruliness.
The appropriate way to influence MPs is through backroom donations, expensive gifts, highly paid consultancy jobs, real estate, and so on.
Maybe they’ll ‘tackle’ democracy
Is that the same word we bomb into people that dont give us free oil?
Yes, get them all out!
Well if the Mp’s would do what their constituents want. Whom they are supposed to be representing. There would be sanctions and boycotts against Israel. Instead of supporting genocide
Around 1% of Gaza population killed so far (including many Hamas militants).
We could also say that around 0.01% of the Israeli population were killed on October 7th including around a quarter of whom were IDF combatants and an as yet unknown or undisclosed number as a result of the Hannibal doctrine employed by local IDF commanders.
Minimising either and ignoring the context of the last century will ensure that we continue to deal with the symptoms rather than the cause of the problems in the region.
My point was it's not genocide. Around 1% of Israel population was killed in 1967 war (mostly soldiers).@@nodrogwarob
As long as protests are peaceful its supposed tbe our right to protest peacefully?
Your protests are never peaceful, you often violently attack dissent, and it is illegal to project onto Big Ben.
Anyone know if they called for a ceasefire in the end, or did that just get brushed under the rug?
A clear moral panic instigated by the speaker to save his own skin..despicable!
Time to arrest any one with a overseas flag.
The police should of dealt with the protesters outside parliament specially when they are chanting death threats we are not a Islamic state and we will never will be a Islamic state it’s the politicians fault that we are in this mess they should of done there job properly anyone who votes these politicians back into power are delusional nothing will change we need to reform our politics and the Houses of Parliament now
Hmmm, a government that doesn't want people protesting outside parliament, I see nothing concerning about that 😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
Keep MPs safe from what? Criticism?! 😂 Are they that soft?
Sometimes when im home alone I like going in my garden and cover myself with dirt and pretend I'm a potato 🥔
Protesting to stop genocide is antisemitic? 😆
Utter Rubbish!
Oh no.... protesters 😱
Perhaps if politicians were more dignified and made humanistic decisions - they would then be safe and not need the police - the school bully asking for protection
Suella braverman is friends with Tommy Robinson
Look at that, willing to sacrifice a core pillar of democracy to excuse himself.
No, we are getting more and more fascist everyday. This government is more and more fascist with each passing day
They need to shut down any dissent it's important to keep the gentlemens club intact without any nuisance from the likes of us
Any MP who can’t put up with protesters, should GET OUT OF POLITICS…..Simple !
People tend to have strong feelings about genocide. This is about suppressing any visible opposition to their lack of action.
Stopping war crimes will keep MPs safe.
If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen. Politicians who can’t deal with the peoples right to protest, need to find a new career path !
If you don’t want protests, do better
Once they stop "anybody" protesting, then we are all screwed and thats the olan, new public order rules to silence audible dissent, even when its justified.
Best way to make them "safe" is to vote them OUT in next election. 😄👍
Democratic and peaceful methods always eventually win the day.
Who cares they have caused this problem
Police should be given powers to handle criminals inside parliament.
And this just comes up now during the ceasefire protests????? cmon.
Where is the threat to MPs safety ?
Have any of those protestors at parliament harmed or threatened an MP ?
Protesting for a free Palestine is not a threat to mp's, just their moral integrity
The reason for the change in Parliament was coz SNP said israeli has committed collective punishment in this war which they defo have. But the government is so complicit it will further implicate them.
Instead of fearing for their lives maybe should listen to what people want for once
Maybe we should be clear on whether MPs are accountable to Starmer or accountable to the people through legitimate protest
Rights are often competing. There is no right to protest outside an MP's house. You tramp on their right to privacy and on his families rights. You have the right to vote the MP out. Thats it.
Should police tackle crime?
Ooh, what a great argument! Now that would be worth a debate. Sadly, that will not happen.
Still, as long as they carry on revenue collecting.....
What a load of propaganda nonsense to deflect from the speaker’s flagrant impartiality.
If they succeed in stopping protests outside parliament they will be shielded from the public opinion.
Well as long as they don't go to South London, North London, East London, West London, Berkshire, Bradford, Birmingham, Leeds, Rochdale, they are perfectly safe.
Any evidence that MPs are not safe…. Chuck in some unfounded Islamophobia & everyone is happy.
MPs have a right to defend themselves against democracy.
What ķeeps MPs safe is telling Starmer to get stuffed up yours man
Voting on a war we're not even in. A great use of Parliamentary time
No news about 'Yana Mir on Kashmir in UK parliament' on Channel 4? Why? Propaganda?
Perhaps old bill should tackle protests INSIDE Parliament! 1😂😆😁😅😄🤣😄😅😁😆😂
Police did not do a good job keeping orohans in care safe from elite predators #RIP ❤️