Speaking as someone in England who would prefer to remain 'united' with Scotland; It certantly is yet another example of Westminster giving Scotland a good reason to want to leave, and I can't blame them for it.
I'm English with Scottish ancestry and if I was Scottish I would not be voting to leave the UK. I would be voting to never have to live under a Conservative government again.
@@julianshepherd2038 No it's about the contempt many in that place have against Scotland and its elected representatives. England should get a taste of its own medicine. Westminster parliament should be closed down with each of the home nations getting a turn of holding the UK parliament. I would love to see the reaction of the English people if they were given the political system favouring Scotland instead of England. Lets see how Scotland having 590 MP's and England only getting 49would do for staters with Scotland deciding how funding would be allocated. England could of course have its own "Regional" Devolved parliament to allocate England's share of the money Scotland allows them to have, of course if England wanted full independence it would have to ask the Scottish UK parliament for a section 30 which Scotland will declare "That now is not be the time." and of course Scotland would decide whether the UK re-joined the E.U. with English views and input completely ignored.
Wales too, please. Form a Celtic Union with Scotland and Ireland! Despite being English born and bred, I want absolutely nothing to do with this absolute sh*tshow of a country and Parliament.
The first time I heard that. What a great idea !! Labour used to support North England (with capital initials for respect) but that's history. I'm from London but my father was from Yorkshire. I always felt that the North was mistreated. So split off London and the home counties. The slogan should be "North and South - Vote Partition".
Stephen Flynn is usually quite mild-mannered in parliament... particularly compared to his predecessor... so you can tell how much this one meant to him
If ever Scottish people needed to confirm that they are better off out of this defunct and corrupt union then this is it. How can you stand for this?? And I am not Socttish nor do I have any connection with Scotland.
Labour got the ceasefire motion passed. This has nothing to do with Scottish independence. Just proves the SNP are the same as the rest, despite claiming to be above Westminster politics.
No one is claiming that it has got anything to do with independence although the way this has played out it only strengthens the case for the need for independence. Starmer and his party have just handed a massive boost to the independence campaign and if he thought he was making progress in Scotland then he has just shot himself in the foot.
Flynn and the SNP can make all the noise they want. The fact of the matter is they are a busted flush, Scotland is sick to the back teeth of him and of them. So glad they were decimated in the general election, our only regret is that Flynn isn’t gone because that gobshite is Scotland’s biggest embarrassment!!
Oh come on. Today’s SNP motion was just a political device designed to try and create a massive issue for Labour, whom are now posing a dire threat to the SNP in their home constituencies. It blew up in their faces, and they threw a stop and walked out of the chamber. If you want to talk about disrespect, talk about the disrespect the SNP are showing to the people of Gaza by hijacking their plight and using it to play a political game.
@@boxtradums0073 hi jammy dodger. Who was talking about foreign policy. They are not employed to do anything but look after our interests. Let the Middle East sort there problems oh. These idiots cannot get this country running right but with goons like you supporting them I am not surprised.
Fair play to Stephen Flynn, I'm amazed it's taken this long in the utter disgrace that is Parliament for him to be driven to visible rage over just how pathetic it is. I live in England, but I stand by the SNP and the Scottish people - Get out while you can, this ship is sinking and I wouldn't want them going down with it.
The thing is, the Scots can afford to play politics because far less Muslims live in Scotland. Kier is in the wrong & Labour is a disgrace, but let’s not pretend the SNP wouldn’t do exactly the same thing if their jobs depended on it.
All this because Labour does not want to be seen working with the SNP. In Scotland they side with the tories on locql councils qnd the Scottish Parliament.
@@Mr-Foad Yep and it's very sad as SNP voters (other than the indy question) naturally have far more in common with Labour than most others at Westminster. I fear this will just alienate more Scottish people regarding rule from Westminster regardless of political persuasion.
Labour got the motion passed. Only Scottish people and their utterly tribal, contemptuous way of conducting politics view today as an outrage. Labour got a motion for an immediate ceasefire passed. That should be the highlight today.
@@ecaeas4439 Who is tribal? Do you really think ALL Scottish people are of one tribe - or of one political view? Your comment is so unschooled that I actually hope you are a Russian Bot.
This is the final proof we are not in a voluntary treaty it's time to walk reconvene in Scotland and put the question to the Scottish people regardless of what Westminster says or wants NOW SNP, AN SNP MEMBER but now only just. Alba saor agus Alba gu bràth 🏴
It is disgraceful, the SNP have been at the front of this fighting for Palestine and defending Palestine. They deserve so much respect and have not been given it. I am appalled and that’s speaking as British person!
"Madam Deputy Speaker , sorry Ms Deputy Speaker , sorry Ms Assistant Speaker , he stuck his tongue out at me" .These people run our country , no wonder we are so screwed.
That place is a joke, a bad joke. Scotland needs to leave and take responsibility for our own affairs, assets and people. Leave that place for good. Bring on the Republic of Scotland, in the EU with euros in my pocket!
@@shaunyweaver1144and bring all the gas and oil money too, England has NO natural resources, Scotland would be one of the richest countries in the world 😂
@@saorsa5 I suggest you take a look at the financial standards a country need to reach to join. The UK as a whole would not reach the criteria right now.
If Starmer is proved to have influenced the speaker in any way its resignation for both of them.Remember the Labour Party should of campaigned for this months ago but Starmers appalling spoiling tactics has led to this sorry state.Yeah...I'm an ex Labour Party member since 16yrs of age.
This is because Starmer spoke to Hoyle in private beforehand, forcing him to put their amendment forward. I would imagine Tories did the same. Pressure from both sides so he put both forward because both the Tories and Labour put pressure on him, or bribed or any other underhanded dirty tactic. Whole thing is a sham and has nothing to do with integrity or human rights - all to do with dirty political point scoring. Labour was due a massive rebellion as Starmer planned to vote no to the SNP unless he got his amendment, and that would have seen a majority of his people voting yes, it would have been the end of him. All parties, as the Palestinian Ambassador put it, are a disgrace and shameful.
but it was the labour party’s motion that got carried. soon as the labour party is scrutinised you don’t need to blame the tories for a labour shitshow without any evidence
The Deputy Speaker is right out of her depth and the Speaker should have been aware of the consequences of his decision, indeed he was made Aware by his Chief Clerk. Both should resign.
From another englishmen that doesn't but into the scots vs english etc, i believe we are better together but to my Scottish brothers and sister...fuckin run, run for your lives lol this stuff is getting unreal. We can never let these people turn us against each other, united or not.
Westminster is England's parliament. Come on Scotland, it is time to become a normal, independent country. Join EFTA and EEA and become a responsible player on the global stage.
I’m a Scot and I’m for independence and ever since the mess that was last year for the SNP I thought the hope of independence was dead. But seeing the clear dismissal of Scotland’s voice in Westminster even on a position that most in the UK are in support of makes me think that there is now a fighting chance. I think the people of Scotland are going to wake up and see that the only party that is willing and ready to fight for Scotland’s voice (like Stephen Flynn did tonight) is the SNP, not the tories or labour.
Didn't Labour back the ceasefire? I don't understand what's going on tbh. Is this just the SNP playing politics over them not getting to slightly amend the tone of the ceasefire?
@@DeShark88No, this was Starmer playing at god knows what. The SNP have wanted a ceasefire from the beginning! What a bloody choice at the next GE. Scotland needs to be independent more than ever!
@@Squishys25 so was a ceasefire amendment voted for in the end? Sounds like it was? I don't know what the SNPs issue is here really. That there was no vote about whether Israel was deemed to be breaking international law?
No the SNP were calling for an absolute ceasefire which meant a ceasefire would be sustained indefinitely, whereas the Labour Party called for a humanitarian ceasefire which would eventually ensuring that no sustained peace would be achieved
Scottish independence will never be achieved from within that place. The people of Scotland are sovereign, come home and convince the people of scotland to declare independence.
The people of England are sovereign and deserve to not have Scottish politicians meddling in our affairs. Scotland has its own parliament, England do not. Scottish MPs vote on laws that only affect England but not the other way around
Hoyle has 'opped it down to the Wheeltappers and Shunters club to, as chairman of committee, to ding his big red bell, and introduce the next act. Bingo starts at 9pm.
@@ruthguthrie1099why didn’t the majority vote for independence? I’m born in England and live here but I would have voted for independence if I was born in Scotland
I'm not quite sure how it's remotely truly that games are being played when the motion calling for a ceasefire has actually passed. It is now the position of the British parliament that a ceasefire is the right course of action. Whose motion was that? Labour's.
@@bothi00 Because it involved condemning Israel and the Labour Party are trying to take a balanced view that the situation is complex and not to disregard or forget that there was rightfully outrage and calls for action after October 7th.
@@ecaeas4439 you don't agree Israel should be condemned for an at least 70% civilian casualty rate, the levelling of 85% of homes, the cutting off of fuel food and water to 2 million non-combatants, and the bombing of refugees camps and areas that they specifically tell civillians to go to for their safety ?? Next you'll be telling me it's very complex and balanced view when Israeli ministers and military leaders refer to the inhabitants of Gaza as human animals. Tells me all I need to know about you
Labour Leader Starmer claims he is a Human Rights Lawyer. To call him a Human Rights Lawyer is like claiming pigs fly, or that Jack the Ripper was a pacifist.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but, from the sidelines, that man couldn’t decide between two flavours of ice cream. He prevaricates on absolutely everything.
@@jennymulhall816 who the speaker or starmer ? starmer actually showed strong leadership ( i am not a fan of his) but he couldnt allow the words collective punishment to be included because that will mean we as a country believe israel is committing a war crime and that is not our foreign policy on this matter which is why we keep repeating israel has the right to defend itself and asking for hostages to be released etc etc .the SNP got what it wanted , the chance to champion independence because no one listens to us north of the border , the tories get to moan about the speaker and try and get someone more affiliated to them and also have a laugh at the opposition falling out , much easier to fight a divided enemy than a unified one . its why i say its a disgrace people playing politics instead of agreeing on a well worded ceasefire proposal .
At the next General Election everyone should vote for 'None of the above' what a disgrace! Politics in the UK needs to be reformed for the good of the people
Reform Party etc., they are all the same, we need a completely new system altogether, not politicians, people who are masters in their craft, well vetted, honest hard working people, those who would not dream of taking kickbacks to further their careers, there are not many honest leaders around these days, but one can dream :) @@Batters56
The view from outside (🇨🇦): Couldn't pick between Bercow and Hoyle; didn't understand Lammy's proprietary faff vs Flynn's motion; don't get how Rishi's humanitarian pause won't be followed by more civilian deaths like the last pause, and hope Westminster understands that to the affected region, this is a tempest in a teacup. Blackford and Flynn have made more sense than both front benches - to an outsider.
As a English man Stephen is a great mp if only if England had a few like him hoy should resign now got bullied by labour not good at all democracy a sham
What a bunch of egotistical clowns and we are suppose to have respect and confidence in them to govern our Country. Our politics and those who hold that office are getting worse by the day! Thought we lived in a democracy!!
If Flynn and the SNP had guts they would walk out of Parliament. This is why Sinn Fein don't take up Westminster seats- its all a sham pretence. The SNP should realise they are wasting their time in Westminster
@@MSalt69well the Scottish people wouldn't look like they are just lambs for the English, bend the knee to an inbred king? Last 2 oms were not voted for by the people? Last 3 pms were dumb as shit 😂 and you ask what again 😂?
Scottish MP’s were only allowed in Westminster from 1708, since then, nothing has made a difference, they have only taken what they have been given, so, in amongst this drama, nothing changes. UNLESS, like SINN FEIN, they get out and walk. So, if your serious about Scotland being an independent country, get the walking boots on, you now have reason 🏴🏴
Scotland united with England in 1603 when a Scot (James I of England & VI of Scotland) became ruler of England, Wales and Ireland and rapidly started to plant Ulster with protestant Scots. Since the since the Parliaments united a lot of Scots more Scots such as Lord Bute, Hume, MacMillan, Gordon Brown etc have been Prime Minister than their percentage of the total population. So its hardly fair to claim that the Scots have been under-represented in the Union. Compared to Wales and many English regions I would say they have been over-represented. Anyone recall any Prime Ministers from East Anglia or the West Country?
Doesn’t this just sum up the utter CONTEMPT that Westminster has fir Scotland and the Scottish people. I’ve been saying for a long time that no Independence MP can achieve anything in Westminster, other than to make jokes at Tory and Labour expense. All Independence MP’s should be recalled and seats not taken up. Insanity is doing same things over and expecting a different outcome
Totally engineered by egregious Tories adding then withdrawing their own amendment! They manipulated the whole situation because they feared losing their amendment
Regardless of who we vote for and what we want and what we get is not what the British people really want anymore , our Political system is unrepairable, we really want a new party that will put right what is wrong with this country.
I'm a Labour supporter, but the actions of Lindsay Hoyle were totally against tbe standing orders, the rules for oposition days are clear. If there is a government amendment then that goes to a vote, if it passes, then the amended motion is voted on and if it fails, then the original motion is voted on. There is no allowance for other opposition parties to have their ammendments voted on during an aooposition day.
@@bothi00Incorrect. There is a huge amount of difference between the Tories and Keir Starmer's Labour and just because you would either rather there was more or don't see what there is doesn't make it okay for you to make false equivalency statements.
If only the SNP were as vigorous in seeking to serve the people they are ACTUALLY elected to serve or dealing with their own corrupt members 🙄 This bunch are driven by ideology rather than the interests of their own constituents
Get out of this House of Clowns and give us INDEPENDENCE! Goodbye Holye ... Keir Starmer should offer his resignation for putting the weakest Speaker the House has had in that position ... Shame! Betty Boothroyd would be turning in her grave right now!
Whilst procedure should always be followed and every party given its say, why would Parliament waste time voting on something that holds no value to anyone and has no effect other than to virtue signal?
Because it was a SNP opposition day and they decided to waste Parliaments time and as a added bonus try and split the Labour Party. All in all from the point of view of allowing the SNP to posture and sulk about "Scotland being ignored" think it was a great opposition day for them.
Bunch of children. It's always been apparent to me that the further away from westminster you are, the less respect you get. No wonder Scotland want independence...and if you get it, take me with you.
Also why don’t people criticise Arab countries that won’t help the Palestinians . People will never criticise Arab/muslim countries for helping them. But always western countries
There is absolutely no reason why our elected members of parliament should even be voting about things going on in a part of the world they have no control over. If anything this is for the UN not the British parliament. RIDICULOUS
Nuff problems ta sort out in this country without voting on other countries,get ya house in order,nowt ta do with us,aint goin ta effect 99% of people in parliment or in uk factories or corner shops
Speaking as someone in England who would prefer to remain 'united' with Scotland; It certantly is yet another example of Westminster giving Scotland a good reason to want to leave, and I can't blame them for it.
if i was scottish, i'd be voting for independence without a second thought
Thankyou for your understanding
@@jedisalsohere try telling that to the pensioners that came out in their droves and voted no
I'm English with Scottish ancestry and if I was Scottish I would not be voting to leave the UK. I would be voting to never have to live under a Conservative government again.
your not the only enlgish person thinking this
Hoyle pinning yet another rosette of ineptitude to the lapel of the uk parliment
@@eightiesmusic1984 Pedant.
@@eightiesmusic1984 Whoops y do for the correction "teacher" - but you understood what was meant - so there was communication.
He is labor
@@eightiesmusic1984 I stand by my assertion. Pedant.
@@eightiesmusic1984 OP is right tho you are a pedant. And your third message is incredibly hard to understand despite the perfect spelling...
Go on Stephen lad. Not a massive fan of the SNP but its just true.
You know nothing about now shut the f up
It I beyond party politics, it is about democracy
@@julianshepherd2038 No it's about the contempt many in that place have against Scotland and its elected representatives. England should get a taste of its own medicine. Westminster parliament should be closed down with each of the home nations getting a turn of holding the UK parliament. I would love to see the reaction of the English people if they were given the political system favouring Scotland instead of England. Lets see how Scotland having 590 MP's and England only getting 49would do for staters with Scotland deciding how funding would be allocated. England could of course have its own "Regional" Devolved parliament to allocate England's share of the money Scotland allows them to have, of course if England wanted full independence it would have to ask the Scottish UK parliament for a section 30 which Scotland will declare "That now is not be the time." and of course Scotland would decide whether the UK re-joined the E.U. with English views and input completely ignored.
Ask me a decade ago. I’d have been mortified if Scotland left the union. Now as an Englishman, I not only support it but ask if the north can join 😅
Absolutely you can.
Cmon up and help us make a great wee country. The kettle is on and I've got shortbread.
Errr… can I come too, please? I’m in Shropshire but I’m sick to death of our Parliament. It’s an absolute sham
Wales too, please. Form a Celtic Union with Scotland and Ireland! Despite being English born and bred, I want absolutely nothing to do with this absolute sh*tshow of a country and Parliament.
The first time I heard that. What a great idea !! Labour used to support North England (with capital initials for respect) but that's history. I'm from London but my father was from Yorkshire. I always felt that the North was mistreated. So split off London and the home counties. The slogan should be "North and South - Vote Partition".
Stephen Flynn is usually quite mild-mannered in parliament... particularly compared to his predecessor... so you can tell how much this one meant to him
Thought he was going to go full 'Braveheart' !
Never seen the MrDarcy 😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
As it should, this genocide allowed and supported in Gaza/Palestine is obscene.
Madhouse this. Thank God for the Scots - at least some in the commons have a spine
If ever Scottish people needed to confirm that they are better off out of this defunct and corrupt union then this is it.
How can you stand for this?? And I am not Socttish nor do I have any connection with Scotland.
Labour got the ceasefire motion passed. This has nothing to do with Scottish independence. Just proves the SNP are the same as the rest, despite claiming to be above Westminster politics.
No one is claiming that it has got anything to do with independence although the way this has played out it only strengthens the case for the need for independence. Starmer and his party have just handed a massive boost to the independence campaign and if he thought he was making progress in Scotland then he has just shot himself in the foot.
They have more than enough corruption in their own Parliament.
Flynn and the SNP can make all the noise they want. The fact of the matter is they are a busted flush, Scotland is sick to the back teeth of him and of them. So glad they were decimated in the general election, our only regret is that Flynn isn’t gone because that gobshite is Scotland’s biggest embarrassment!!
Massive disrespect not just to the SNP but all the Scottish constituents who are being represented by them. The house is a joke shop
They have there own Parliament so do it there.
Oh come on. Today’s SNP motion was just a political device designed to try and create a massive issue for Labour, whom are now posing a dire threat to the SNP in their home constituencies. It blew up in their faces, and they threw a stop and walked out of the chamber.
If you want to talk about disrespect, talk about the disrespect the SNP are showing to the people of Gaza by hijacking their plight and using it to play a political game.
@@TC-qd1zwforeign policy is ‘reserved’ you donut !
@@HiveFleetOnilook another English gaslighter ! The SNP have stayed consistent on this issue. Bare faced liar you are
@@boxtradums0073 hi jammy dodger. Who was talking about foreign policy. They are not employed to do anything but look after our interests. Let the Middle East sort there problems oh. These idiots cannot get this country running right but with goons like you supporting them I am not surprised.
Fair play to Stephen Flynn, I'm amazed it's taken this long in the utter disgrace that is Parliament for him to be driven to visible rage over just how pathetic it is. I live in England, but I stand by the SNP and the Scottish people - Get out while you can, this ship is sinking and I wouldn't want them going down with it.
Thank you, brother. Warms the heart to hear. There’s always room for people who respect democracy up here
The thing is, the Scots can afford to play politics because far less Muslims live in Scotland. Kier is in the wrong & Labour is a disgrace, but let’s not pretend the SNP wouldn’t do exactly the same thing if their jobs depended on it.
@@aclark903seems you have a problem with Muslims
Agreed he rode rough shod over the SNP. As a British citizen first that is outrageous as an Englishman it’s offensive on behalf of the SNP.
All this because Labour does not want to be seen working with the SNP.
In Scotland they side with the tories on locql councils qnd the Scottish Parliament.
It is called the bain principal, it is a policy of labour not to agree with the SNP on anything... what a joke...
@@Mr-Foad Yep and it's very sad as SNP voters (other than the indy question) naturally have far more in common with Labour than most others at Westminster. I fear this will just alienate more Scottish people regarding rule from Westminster regardless of political persuasion.
Labour got the motion passed. Only Scottish people and their utterly tribal, contemptuous way of conducting politics view today as an outrage. Labour got a motion for an immediate ceasefire passed. That should be the highlight today.
@@ecaeas4439ah look another English bigot !
@@ecaeas4439 Who is tribal? Do you really think ALL Scottish people are of one tribe - or of one political view? Your comment is so unschooled that I actually hope you are a Russian Bot.
This is the final proof we are not in a voluntary treaty it's time to walk reconvene in Scotland and put the question to the Scottish people regardless of what Westminster says or wants NOW SNP, AN SNP MEMBER but now only just. Alba saor agus Alba gu bràth 🏴
Hoyle bending for his master Starmer
Hoyle has no master...he's a spineless jellyfish that goes whatever direction he's pushed.
It is disgraceful, the SNP have been at the front of this fighting for Palestine and defending Palestine. They deserve so much respect and have not been given it. I am appalled and that’s speaking as British person!
Defending Hamas who still have civilian hostages.
@@quillo2747so we're just going to ignore the part of the SNP's motion that demands the release of the Hostages.
@@bjiornbjiornignoring reality is just the status quo for Israeli supporters...
Thank you. That means a lot to me. 👍🏴
@@quillo2747
Who's defending Hamas?
What a bloody joke. The sooner we pull out, the better. And I'm an Englishman living in Scotland!
"Madam Deputy Speaker , sorry Ms Deputy Speaker , sorry Ms Assistant Speaker , he stuck his tongue out at me" .These people run our country , no wonder we are so screwed.
She claimed she did not hear Cleverly call someone constituency a sh/t hole so her hearing is not that bad then 😂
Have you seen how they operate in the House and Senate in US? No shouting out whatsoever. I guess their democracy must be in fine fettle?
being a scot . get us to fek out of this place
At least give England a chance to have it's own parliament first.
Being English, take me with you please?
Im currently living in England, everyday i wish me grandfather never left Aberdeen
Being a New Scot, 100% agree!!
Thank you for speaking up for humanity
That place is a joke, a bad joke. Scotland needs to leave and take responsibility for our own affairs, assets and people. Leave that place for good. Bring on the Republic of Scotland, in the EU with euros in my pocket!
Love the optimism but Scotland wouldn't meet the EU criteria to join.
Off you trot then ..
@@buntyjoy1800and why us yhlthat evidence please
@@shaunyweaver1144and bring all the gas and oil money too, England has NO natural resources, Scotland would be one of the richest countries in the world 😂
@@saorsa5 I suggest you take a look at the financial standards a country need to reach to join. The UK as a whole would not reach the criteria right now.
Hoyle has shown where his true loyalty resides, or he's too weak to stand up to the Tories. Now he's run away & hidden. It's shameful.
If Starmer is proved to have influenced the speaker in any way its resignation for both of them.Remember the Labour Party should of campaigned for this months ago but Starmers appalling spoiling tactics has led to this sorry state.Yeah...I'm an ex Labour Party member since 16yrs of age.
This is because Starmer spoke to Hoyle in private beforehand, forcing him to put their amendment forward.
I would imagine Tories did the same. Pressure from both sides so he put both forward because both the Tories and Labour put pressure on him, or bribed or any other underhanded dirty tactic.
Whole thing is a sham and has nothing to do with integrity or human rights - all to do with dirty political point scoring.
Labour was due a massive rebellion as Starmer planned to vote no to the SNP unless he got his amendment, and that would have seen a majority of his people voting yes, it would have been the end of him.
All parties, as the Palestinian Ambassador put it, are a disgrace and shameful.
but it was the labour party’s motion that got carried. soon as the labour party is scrutinised you don’t need to blame the tories for a labour shitshow without any evidence
The Tories were for once not involved in this speaker/labour debacle.
Gawn yerself get thum telt! #independenceisrecovery 🏴🏴🏴
Shows the contempt Parliament has for the SNP and all the smaller parties.
No it doesn't. I have contempt for the SNP but I respect our democracy. This is contempt for democracy.
It's really contempt for the people of Scotland!
Crap snp voted for by just 3% of the uk population playing politics…. No wonder there losing many seats in Scotland
Not when the SNP plays politics like this. It's digusting from Flynn.
@@jamesrowe3606I have contempt for you!
The Deputy Speaker is right out of her depth and the Speaker should have been aware of the consequences of his decision, indeed he was made Aware by his Chief Clerk. Both should resign.
From another englishmen that doesn't but into the scots vs english etc, i believe we are better together but to my Scottish brothers and sister...fuckin run, run for your lives lol this stuff is getting unreal. We can never let these people turn us against each other, united or not.
Westminster is England's parliament. Come on Scotland, it is time to become a normal, independent country. Join EFTA and EEA and become a responsible player on the global stage.
nah the wokeminster is London's parliament northern england dosnt want anything to do with the scum
Go on yerself Stephen!! 👏 👏👏 Saor Alba
I’m a Scot and I’m for independence and ever since the mess that was last year for the SNP I thought the hope of independence was dead. But seeing the clear dismissal of Scotland’s voice in Westminster even on a position that most in the UK are in support of makes me think that there is now a fighting chance. I think the people of Scotland are going to wake up and see that the only party that is willing and ready to fight for Scotland’s voice (like Stephen Flynn did tonight) is the SNP, not the tories or labour.
Didn't Labour back the ceasefire? I don't understand what's going on tbh. Is this just the SNP playing politics over them not getting to slightly amend the tone of the ceasefire?
@@DeShark88No, this was Starmer playing at god knows what.
The SNP have wanted a ceasefire from the beginning!
What a bloody choice at the next GE.
Scotland needs to be independent more than ever!
@@Squishys25 so was a ceasefire amendment voted for in the end? Sounds like it was? I don't know what the SNPs issue is here really. That there was no vote about whether Israel was deemed to be breaking international law?
No the SNP were calling for an absolute ceasefire which meant a ceasefire would be sustained indefinitely, whereas the Labour Party called for a humanitarian ceasefire which would eventually ensuring that no sustained peace would be achieved
@@Parsh_-kt7jm ahhh ok. And Israel are bound by international law to obey the ruling of the UK Govt.?
What an absolute joke
Shambolic, like the current state of this country now ,Shambolic
Scottish independence will never be achieved from within that place. The people of Scotland are sovereign, come home and convince the people of scotland to declare independence.
Too right, Soar Alba 🏴
Many people in the top half of England would like to come with them.
I'm in the south but please take me with you!@@Bearsio
The people of England are sovereign and deserve to not have Scottish politicians meddling in our affairs. Scotland has its own parliament, England do not. Scottish MPs vote on laws that only affect England but not the other way around
Hoyle has 'opped it down to the Wheeltappers and Shunters club to, as chairman of committee, to ding his big red bell, and introduce the next act. Bingo starts at 9pm.
'ave the pies arrived?
Potato pie supper 😂 @@stevewhiteba
Bernard is on at 10
The committee have passed the resolution that Hoyle is toast
How can Hoyle possibly be respected by anyone after this? His inadequacies have been well and truly exposed...yet again.
Good on you lad
scotish nationalists are gonna have to send the speaker something nice. doing a great promotion of leaving the UK
He said nothing wrong, and if this shit leads to Scotland separating from the UK, so be it. They'll be free from Tory stupidity.
@@stingfiretubeand labour contempt
That was the only perk of BoJo - provoking a massive surge of support for independence with his every visit.
Damn. I don’t think I’ve seen Mr Flynn like this and to be honest I don’t blame him one bit. This whole situation is an absolute shambles
It’s disgusting the way the Scottish are treated.
Thank you for recognising that. 👍🏴
England is a fucking tip
Long live Scotland and ireland. Fuck england.
@@ruthguthrie1099why didn’t the majority vote for independence? I’m born in England and live here but I would have voted for independence if I was born in Scotland
scottland is a tiny 5.5 million conglomerate, they wouldnt be able to support themselves without the UK
Just another day of self interest and corruption in the British parliament.
After watching this any self respecting scot should be saying it's time to leave.
This will really help me get my operation on the NHS!
What are you on about?
Well said steven flynn a man who loves and fights for country,,,were is the democracy with this
SNP - "Lets stop people from dying"
Brits - "nah, we have games to play"
I'm not quite sure how it's remotely truly that games are being played when the motion calling for a ceasefire has actually passed. It is now the position of the British parliament that a ceasefire is the right course of action. Whose motion was that? Labour's.
Sums up English history doesn't it
@@ecaeas4439why couldn't labour just vote for the SNP's motion though ?
@@bothi00 Because it involved condemning Israel and the Labour Party are trying to take a balanced view that the situation is complex and not to disregard or forget that there was rightfully outrage and calls for action after October 7th.
@@ecaeas4439 you don't agree Israel should be condemned for an at least 70% civilian casualty rate, the levelling of 85% of homes, the cutting off of fuel food and water to 2 million non-combatants, and the bombing of refugees camps and areas that they specifically tell civillians to go to for their safety ??
Next you'll be telling me it's very complex and balanced view when Israeli ministers and military leaders refer to the inhabitants of Gaza as human animals. Tells me all I need to know about you
Labour Leader Starmer claims he is a Human Rights Lawyer. To call him a Human Rights Lawyer is like claiming pigs fly, or that Jack the Ripper was a pacifist.
he WAS a human rights lawyer , he is NOW a politician . YES its a fucking disgrace
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but, from the sidelines, that man couldn’t decide between two flavours of ice cream. He prevaricates on absolutely everything.
Should've been obvious when he said on radio that Israel had the right to cut off power and water to 2 million non-combatants
@@jennymulhall816 who the speaker or starmer ? starmer actually showed strong leadership ( i am not a fan of his) but he couldnt allow the words collective punishment to be included because that will mean we as a country believe israel is committing a war crime and that is not our foreign policy on this matter which is why we keep repeating israel has the right to defend itself and asking for hostages to be released etc etc .the SNP got what it wanted , the chance to champion independence because no one listens to us north of the border , the tories get to moan about the speaker and try and get someone more affiliated to them and also have a laugh at the opposition falling out , much easier to fight a divided enemy than a unified one . its why i say its a disgrace people playing politics instead of agreeing on a well worded ceasefire proposal .
@@deeingalaplike you support a tory in a red tie.
At the next General Election everyone should vote for 'None of the above' what a disgrace! Politics in the UK needs to be reformed for the good of the people
That’s what the Reform party tick box is for if that’s what you want to do.
Sorry X box
Reform Party etc., they are all the same, we need a completely new system altogether, not politicians, people who are masters in their craft, well vetted, honest hard working people, those who would not dream of taking kickbacks to further their careers, there are not many honest leaders around these days, but one can dream :)
@@Batters56
Reform = reform party
@@Batters56 The Reform Party is for loonies and Nazis. That's why Fart-rage is in it.
We do really need scotland to have their independence,it can’t go on like this …🏴🏴🏴🏴
What a waste of time. Israel wont listen to these muppets. Farcical.
The view from outside (🇨🇦): Couldn't pick between Bercow and Hoyle; didn't understand Lammy's proprietary faff vs Flynn's motion; don't get how Rishi's humanitarian pause won't be followed by more civilian deaths like the last pause, and hope Westminster understands that to the affected region, this is a tempest in a teacup. Blackford and Flynn have made more sense than both front benches - to an outsider.
Independence for Scotland NOW!!!
The whole house of commons is a national disgrace.
As a English man Stephen is a great mp if only if England had a few like him hoy should resign now got bullied by labour not good at all democracy a sham
BRAVE MAN, THANKS.
Born in Liverpool of Scottish and Irish heritage like many of my fellow Liverpudlian's we can empathise with the SNP!! The Tories are finished!
Labour are Tories too, never forget that.
What a bunch of egotistical clowns and we are suppose to have respect and confidence in them to govern our Country. Our politics and those who hold that office are getting worse by the day! Thought we lived in a democracy!!
If Flynn and the SNP had guts they would walk out of Parliament.
This is why Sinn Fein don't take up Westminster seats- its all a sham pretence.
The SNP should realise they are wasting their time in Westminster
The SNP are a waste of time, full stop.
What would that achieve?
@@MSalt69well the Scottish people wouldn't look like they are just lambs for the English, bend the knee to an inbred king? Last 2 oms were not voted for by the people? Last 3 pms were dumb as shit 😂 and you ask what again 😂?
@@alansmith5340I love it when Brits admit their disdain for Scottish peoples opinions. Just strengthens our case
@@MSalt69what's being achieved otherwise ? At least there's a case that Westminister is no longer recongised nor relevant to Scotland and Ireland
Will be noting this down to refer back to when scotland leaves in 10 years
Disgraceful. The real shame is that whatever these clowns say won’t change the situation they are supposed to be discussing
Scottish MP’s were only allowed in Westminster from 1708, since then, nothing has made a difference, they have only taken what they have been given, so, in amongst this drama, nothing changes. UNLESS, like SINN FEIN, they get out and walk. So, if your serious about Scotland being an independent country, get the walking boots on, you now have reason 🏴🏴
Scotland united with England in 1603 when a Scot (James I of England & VI of Scotland) became ruler of England, Wales and Ireland and rapidly started to plant Ulster with protestant Scots. Since the since the Parliaments united a lot of Scots more Scots such as Lord Bute, Hume, MacMillan, Gordon Brown etc have been Prime Minister than their percentage of the total population. So its hardly fair to claim that the Scots have been under-represented in the Union. Compared to Wales and many English regions I would say they have been over-represented. Anyone recall any Prime Ministers from East Anglia or the West Country?
Doesn’t this just sum up the utter CONTEMPT that Westminster has fir Scotland and the Scottish people.
I’ve been saying for a long time that no Independence MP can achieve anything in Westminster, other than to make jokes at Tory and Labour expense.
All Independence MP’s should be recalled and seats not taken up.
Insanity is doing same things over and expecting a different outcome
Totally engineered by egregious Tories adding then withdrawing their own amendment! They manipulated the whole situation because they feared losing their amendment
Wasn't it stammer who had a private meeting with the speaker and influenced him not to allow only Labour to speak?
Scotlands shame
FREEEEDOM!!!!!
Stephen Flynn is ace. Love it when he always gets the correct pronunciation of Gazza.
I really hope Scotland gets independence from the rest of the UK
Stop wasting time voting on foreign affairs you muppets.
Is it any wonder the country is in a mess shambles
My great great grandmother was Scottish and on behalf of her I say: Give us our own republic! Freeeeeeeedom! ✊🏽✊🏻✊
Regardless of who we vote for and what we want and what we get is not what the British people really want anymore , our Political system is unrepairable, we really want a new party that will put right what is wrong with this country.
I'm a Labour supporter, but the actions of Lindsay Hoyle were totally against tbe standing orders, the rules for oposition days are clear. If there is a government amendment then that goes to a vote, if it passes, then the amended motion is voted on and if it fails, then the original motion is voted on. There is no allowance for other opposition parties to have their ammendments voted on during an aooposition day.
If you support this labour party and it's leader and front bench, I hate to break it to you, you're not a supporter of labour; you are a Tory
@bothi00 did I say I support the direction the party had taken over the last few years?
@@jjfarr72 if you say you support them, it *very* heavily implies that
@@jjfarr72 'im a labour supporter' so, ya. If you still are, yes, that is what you're indicating and saying
@@bothi00Incorrect. There is a huge amount of difference between the Tories and Keir Starmer's Labour and just because you would either rather there was more or don't see what there is doesn't make it okay for you to make false equivalency statements.
If only the SNP were as vigorous in seeking to serve the people they are ACTUALLY elected to serve or dealing with their own corrupt members 🙄
This bunch are driven by ideology rather than the interests of their own constituents
Honestly makes me dislike the SNP more. Appears they have more care about scoring points against Labour than actually helping Gaza
they are not the ones taking money from pro israeli lobbyists
Is Hoyle really the best we can do for a speaker.
Hoyle was leant on by his party I bet. Crook.
Petulant outburst by politician who saw his intention to embarrass Labour thwarted!
Thanks SNP
Get out of this House of Clowns and give us INDEPENDENCE! Goodbye Holye ... Keir Starmer should offer his resignation for putting the weakest Speaker the House has had in that position ... Shame! Betty Boothroyd would be turning in her grave right now!
What an amazing person he is!Huge respect for him always.❤
Whilst procedure should always be followed and every party given its say, why would Parliament waste time voting on something that holds no value to anyone and has no effect other than to virtue signal?
Because it was a SNP opposition day and they decided to waste Parliaments time and as a added bonus try and split the Labour Party. All in all from the point of view of allowing the SNP to posture and sulk about "Scotland being ignored" think it was a great opposition day for them.
Bunch of children. It's always been apparent to me that the further away from westminster you are, the less respect you get. No wonder Scotland want independence...and if you get it, take me with you.
What a waste of their time!! Useless vote
the snp should leave the house of commons and not recognize its legtimacy.
Also why don’t people criticise Arab countries that won’t help the Palestinians . People will never criticise Arab/muslim countries for helping them. But always western countries
Its a pointless vote anyway, because it has no effect on what happens in the Palastinian/Isreal war.
1.37 listen to this hooligan of a Tory MP just having a laugh and a bit of fun.
Absolute shambles
SNP needs to get their own house in order in scotlands parliament.
No necromancers
Total farce
Stephen Flynn should be speaker
😂😂😂😂😂😂
They make me sick the tories have done far worse and all the MPS never kicked up a fuss
The Speaker must resign !
There is absolutely no reason why our elected members of parliament should even be voting about things going on in a part of the world they have no control over. If anything this is for the UN not the British parliament. RIDICULOUS
God bless you Stephen! You expressed the anger that most of us feel ❤!
And you all thought Bercow had an Ego....
Down with the Union!
Something rotten in the state of Denmark.
Look at her smiling and laughing with the childish heckler. Politics is broken beyond repair, a bunch of deranged money grabbing chancers.
Woah.... thought he was gonna start wielding a broadsword there for a minute 😂😂😂😂
Flynn desperate for relevance, it is disturbing
Nuff problems ta sort out in this country without voting on other countries,get ya house in order,nowt ta do with us,aint goin ta effect 99% of people in parliment or in uk factories or corner shops