Britain's defences 'unacceptable' as Israel-style iron dome considered | Gen. Rupert Jones
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The UK's idea of an iron dome would be WW2 barrage balloons.
Ironically, then with fine cables and mesh around strategic targets would be a prefect deterrent against drones.
The UK is the only country in the world with a laser-based air defense system...
Haha steampunk but made in China 🇨🇳
UK's idea of iron dome is NUKES! We GOT NUKES! So yeah. Don't mess around.
@@ckm-mkc We have one of the lowest power DE weapons out there, it is already obsolete.
Wrong, They want the iron dome , for London Not the UK. always about London.
But makes sense when that's your seat of economic and political power.
You mean londonistan?😂😂
Nobody is gonna be targeting Bolton 😝
@@tomobrien4965 How much food is grown in London?
Citation needed*
The primary duty of government with the support of opposition parties is the defence of the country and its people. !!!!!!! Politicians need to get their act together.
The primary duty of government is to make money for their donors. Dont lie.
One of my favourite bands is Houthi and the Blow Fish... Never expected them to be a threat to our national security... We live in such strange times
This has me howling 😂😂😂
The singer had been on a watch list for years.
Could not agree more - no vision, no leadership, no perception of developing dangers, no serious move to improve our armed services - future for UK not curr3ntly looking good unless the GOVERNMENT “WAKES UP”. 😢
Do you mean steps down?
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You are entirely correct and it’s frightening..Reform is the only way forward for the UK’s survival
Ok let’s totally overlook the obvious, any missile fired at the UK would have to come over a number of other countries airspace who would more than likely shoot them down. The UK has already deployed its own version of Patriot system it’s called Sky Sabre and can target 23 objects at any one time on top of the navy who have Sea Viper which is the anti ballistic defence system. The US has a number of bases in the UK if there was a missile threat to any of them do you not think that they’d bring in their own patriot systems for protection. We are an island at the far end of Europe there is a reason we haven’t worried about air defence in the same way Poland has too a missile fired would be detected and RAF jets would be in the sky before it’s got over Europe.
Not hypersonic missiles they can’t be stopped.
@@stu281 IF someone's firing hypersonic missiles at the UK then we're far past the point of needing protection from an iron dome system.
Sky Sabre may well form a part of an integrated allround air defence system but it is fairly short range and we need to punch way further up and out than that, we cannot rely on our geographical neighbours to supply us with anything which does not first serve their purpose. What has just happened in US politics should be a lesson to us also.
I know right. This comment section is full of mongs who haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about lol
Dream on the UK is a joke.
the enemy will not attack by air, they are already here living among us
Tf do you mean?
@@redcecrossans2189 it's so clear what he means. Israel is fighting the war of the west and the civilized people. soon it will nock on the door of Europ and US.
Israel is fighting the war of the civilized world. soon it will come to Europ and USA.@@redcecrossans2189
@@redcecrossans2189 Israel is first, europ is next ;)
Yup the Brexiters , they want to finish us off
100% Sunak will be on the phone to his father in-law Narayana Murthy getting the contracts ready for Infosys. At this rate he will drag out an election until January 2025.
Do you invest in the stock market ?
Britains greatest defense is it’s horrible food & gloomy weather
Russia's beat defense is it's babushkas because it's military is utterly useless.
No excuses for the the UK's armed services to suffer any further under funding..No more waffling get them up to strength NOW! It defies belief that this has been allowed to happen over too many years.
Waste of moeny
Waste of what?
Exactly all I hear is talk and no action.
What an absolute shame that Britain even needs to consider such a system! And it's all due to the mad ambitions of one tiny little man who happens to personally own the largest country on earth which is also armed with nukes.
Israel is not the largest country on earth, it is tiny
@@Crouchy232323 Israel owns a tiny piece of land and have offered peace to all her neighbours. Israel are an ally of the UK
@@MontySmethurst Israel is a vassal state of the US/Western European security framework. It has outlive it's usefulness. If Western government were willing to accept millions if Israeli refugees they would have allowed it to fall peacefully. That they have actively allowed Israel to commit suicide is damning. Pray for Israel 🇮🇱♥️
@@MontySmethurstExcept one.
@@davidmorgan2077 you mean Lebanon? Ok not direct peace but economic agreements which is effectively economic aid
It's just another way of turning public money into private money. There are only 4 or 5 countries that spend more on defense than UK and they're giant countries. Where did all that money go?
Really good we had a Tory Gov looking after the UK
The UK also has potential Iranian and Hamas fifth columns.
colonialism coming back to bite
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Source?
@@moali8434 no, would have happened without that.
Afraid to say the quiet part out loud like a coward? You don't like muslims or just brown people in general.
"We now want one of those"... Great interview!
We should sort the NHS out first.
Garbage !!
There is no amount of money on earth available to sort out the NHS. It needs a whole new re-think of what it is for and how to fund it.
NHS - good idea, poorly implemented that doesn't scale, inefficient and wasteful.
Fix the last three points before pouring trillions more into it. Same goes for the welfare/benefits system.
@@eddthirty4065 There's going to be a vacancy for Prime Minister in the not too distant future. Reckon you might have what it takes to do the job. Fancy it?
NHS provides better care and coverage to a larger share of people at lower cost than many other developed countries. There are scandals, shortcomings, and areas of concern but overall it still has been better than the alternatives.
Isn’t it sad that a nation that invented so much and led the way in so much technology and industry a few decades ago, is now light years away from developing anything like this.
But hey… we’re really hot at hedge funds, making money by betting on companies failing. So it’s not all bad. Makes you proud to be British.
Guess that’s what happens when you put 3rd rate bank managers in charge of a country.
Isn't the point of the dome to protect from threats outside?
The Defence industries are looking for the government to spend more money. 😂
We live on a small island so surely with the right technology and investment we can turn it into a Air defence ship rather than an aircraft carrier, we shouldn’t have to rely on ships as our main aa defence, a part of it yes but not the main part, we need a land based system with facilities on every corner of our little island with vast amounts of resources for possible prolonged conflict also we need to invest in lazer land based systems which hopefully some time in the future with more research and investment can create an almost impenetrable shield around our shores along with other systems including space based systems
Politicians should not be involved in Defence matters other than to rubber stamp what they are told by the military.
And these are the people who govern us.
For _decades_ the British defence budget has been raided to pay for social spending without raising taxes.
Also, 'Iron dome' is the very short range componant of a multi layered system. Including 'Davids Sling' Etc which reaches out much further. Obviously we would be better off investing in long range systems first
Finland bought David's Sling recently, hopefully a good test case
Arrow is at the other end of the spectrum of layered systems. It provides long range defense against ballistic missiles all the way up into space.
Having governments that do their best to avoid conflict is what the people want. We do not want to line the pockets of military industrial complex shareholders
Bullying is riff right across the entire force.
When, oh WHEN are we going to hear these words from our politicians??!! But would Joe Public listen? Unlikely ... 🙄
Joe Public is no different from his/her Russian counterpart just not interested in anything other than East Enders or the opening times of the bookies/chip shop/pub. Beyond that nothing matters in the mind of the masses - expect to have a good whinge about of course whilst watching East Enders. in the queue for the Chippy or sat in the pub cuddling his half pint cos a pint is too expensive nowadays. We get the government we deserve the same as every other person on the planet.
During the GWoT a hysterical emphasis was placed on asymetrical warfare, anti-terrorism, peacekeeping and nation building. I understand that getting kit that enlarges your success chances in these missions(whether some of those should have been done or not) but NOT at the detriment of the primary mission; conventional near-peer warfare at serious scale!!! Certainly because building up for that takes way too much time and money in order to get that back up to scratch again. The problem I see is that too often military leadership(current and former) too easily put this at the feet of politicians while for a large part they themselves were pushing this, it is NOT simply underinvestment but selling wholesale the conventional material.
This gentleman should do his own podcast called "Rupert the Rupert" !!? Great idea
good diplomacy is an effective defense, know how to pick allies and when not to get involved in global conflicts.
There are ways of structuring and engineering air defenses to minimize costs and maximize resiliency.
We do have SAMs. It is called Sky Sabre, or CAMM, or Sea Ceptor. Depending on if its on a ship or land etc.
They are already fitted on the ships, and we have them based around the UK
Part of a solution if in quantities large enough to be considered effective in time of need but I'll leave you to decide whether that will ever be the case when governeed by bean counters and whether the holes in that will be further enhanced by other systems or not.
That fact we do NOT have this kind of system anyway is an utter farce!!!
We do its called Sky Sabre, we already them fitted on our ships, in Falkland's, there are in mainland uk too.
I notice no one mentions that the Panama canal as run dry and shipping as stopped, this as nothing to do with war. As with the Suez being blocked by the large vessel or the port of Baltimore being also blocked by the bridge collapse caused by a large container vessel. The history of oil and gas is a history of non war exploitation.
Suez shipping and revenues down by about 60%. He should have known the Vienna Convention 1961 did NOT protect this Damascus Consulate. Sadly he is an example to the slow but sure degradation of British forces. 2.5% by 2030 ! If only the Russians will patiently wait for that date.
Wow and Army General thinks the army should get more money, another well balanced video for the times.
We should definitely have a dome system we are an island so can be attacked from all sides
We need drone manufactorums, underground automated drone factory plants, that use raw materials to create drones as and when they are required, they would spit out cheap housefly sized drones that swarm and destroy any quantity of larger drones.
Get back the Scot as minister for defence......I know he resigned but he forsaw all of this.....They did it with Cameron!!!!!
Nicely said.
Any country need a multilayered air defense, for Israel its the Iron Dome, Patriot, David Sling and Arrow 2 and 3, Germany has now came up with th "European sky shield" that will be made up of IRIS T, Patriot and Arrow 3... as long as it answers each country needs and all systems are "talking together", including aming friendly countries (as seen in repelling the Iranian attack) it should be OK
Thats it, its a multilayered defense that communicate with the rest of Europe. No idea if we're anywhere near that kind of capability.
Arrow 3 won't be sold by Israel.
Too advanced.
@@talbenavraham1478 already sold to Germany last year, initial deployment in 2025 and full deployment by 2030
@DoronL73 Germany supports Israel, and we buy their submarines.
Oh well, the "pint-sized loser" PM will sort it all out, no worries ... 🙄😔
Maybe Sunak and Starmer need have a physical confrontation. Sunak will disrobe his top show off his Bruce Lee physique (enter the Parliament Dragon) . Starmer 174 cm and Sunak 172cm, height is what's important.
We don't need anything new that doesn't exist already; we just need to acquire these items. I don't even care that our IFVs are old, they are good, better than what we will be up against and proven in battle. So let's just make 1000s of these! Instead what we do s throw hundreds of millions at new designs over the course of decades that never make it to production. Leaving us with old equipment, millions spent and nothing to show for it.
This is what Russia does get right, small improvements over a long time. There's no point making miracle vehicles when modern drones can blow them up so cheaply.
And yes, we need dirt cheap drones with target identification that can be made to a tight budget, and we need to make thousands and thousands of them.
yes but you have the British Bake Off , and thats so kind it will lull your enemies into their kitchens
We already have sky sabre and sea viper, dragon fire laser weapons, star streak and interceptor aircraft like tornados. Our short range game is pretty strong if we had the wear with all to increase the capacity. Long range sophisticated rockets would be very dangerous for the uk as they come in fast and need long range air defence to protect against them. Britain has no capacity to do this.
Tornadoes?
If not a similar protection to iron dome what are you proposing ? Oh no we can’t look at that ..but I have no clue what to use as an alternative…. Is he proposing we place naval vessels around the coast to shoot down incoming missiles ?
That's really bad news for the UK
I’m surprised Shapps hasn’t suggested issuing badminton rackets to swot
incoming missiles- make a major saving on the defence budget.
Sir Gavin did,along with cardboard ships to fool our enemies!!
The UK is an island. It should be heavily defended by air and sea 🌊
Whilst land forces based in Europe etc.
If we cannot protect our skies and seas we are a sitting duck
Not any more since the undersea tunnel was built.
@@richardtjan4757 That undersea tunnel could be closed very easily
Don't panic Mr Mainwaring !,😂
The Iron Dome isn't relevant for the UK In any future scenario
The reason is it's against very low and short flying projectiles... Who could shoot such a thing on Britain? The Irish?.... I doubt that's gonna be happening anytime shortly
What is relevant at present is the Israeli Arrow or US THAAD for long range ICBMs, or the Patriot or David Sling for shorter-range missiles
I think also France is developing a similar system
Because of the UKs constant criticism of Israel, there is no way they'll sell the better systems the UK needs, and the American systems simply aren't in the same league.
We already have an iron doom.
Whatever you think about this fellow---he father was a BRAVE MAN.....and a SAY/DO fellow.
Sure we NEED to invest - *massively* - in ou ability to defend the British Isles .... the Islands where WE live.
But squealing 'austerity' for 14 years that capability's been gutted.
Worse *WHO in their right mind would join* ?
PC diversity tickboxes now has precedence over capabilty - So you can have no confidence your squad mates will cover your back.
Then there's the problem Pay, Pensions, Housing etc have all been eroded by MPs who have fantastically generous RPI index linked pensions. Who wants to fight for those grifters? 🙄
Let the MPs fight ......... Their mistakes will probably cause the next conflict anyway
I don't need an iron dome, I need reasonably priced essential utilities and food.
The uk government needs to stay out of these wars wich has nothing to do with them
"Grown up conversation" this guy is hilarious!
Britain needs to double defence spending immediately, while simultaneously refining its procurement system. Anything less and you are simply not being serious.
I remember chatting to a work mate in 2014 about how we're in danger of losing the next war that's around the corner. I have ZERO military background so if Simone like me could see this why can't the "experts" who's job it is to manage this??
Wouldn’t need to use this trade route if we were in the EU our biggest trading neighbour😂😂😂😂😂😂
the British Army is buying hundreds of Boxer and Ajax armoured vehicles and as far as I can tell, NONE of them are anti-air/anti-drone variants. Our forces would get FPV drone attacked to dust. Rheinmetall make an air defence turret for Boxer called Skymaster. The Army needs to make choices to protect itself better
The Skymaster system appears to be excellent for short range defence but the expense is eyewatering and there will be far cheaper alternatives.
This guy also raved about the Ukrainian offensive and other nonsense. Iron domes, even in strategic locations can't defend against hypersonic missiles, they can also be overwhelmed by dud missiles and cheap drones in large numbers.
For this Israel uses other systems like arrow 3 and David's sling. These 2 systems can defend a whole continent
There are a variety of systems to counter a variety of threats. From Arrow at the high cost high capability end to Iron Beam at the low cost short range end.
We need to defend ourselves from something we started 😂
Rishi Sunak and the conservatives have helped build this unsafe world; now announces chicken feed to make us safe.
Since we have anti ballistic missiles on the type 45's. It wouldn't be too bard to have 3 or 4 land based sites with silo's for a number of the same missiles. There's enough former bases still owned by the MoD that could be redeveloped to give maximum coverage of the UK. Even if they put 60 missiles per site and those cost £1 million each thats only £180 million thats less than what politician's claim per year in expenses.
What Iron Dome I know what our AD capability is and it really is not good
Too late, too late !
I think David Murrin produced a defense review of his own a couple of years ago that made it all the way up to Boris Johnson in No.10 and in it was proposals on how to update our armed forces - I think one idea was a new type of frigate or destroyer with anti-ballistic missile capability that we could station around the UK. Why on Earth can’t Times Radio interview someone like David Murrin.
1/ You need a proper space launcher vehicle SLV.
2/ You need an anti ballistic missile strategic capability for hypersonic missiles
3/ You need an anti missile anti air bloodhound missile type update.
4/ you nèed anti drone capability for key sites Rapier update.
Reality we mostly had it in the past a single war thor missile could take out ICBM if signal detonated conventional today. Bloodhound could hit high speed cruise missiles and jets. Rapiers deployed could hit drones at key locations. We have gone backwards, wake up to other nations efforts and get with the modern world. It is not expensive if done right.
Ships limited potential and duration. UK is wide open defenceless almost. Israel faced a poor strategic minded opponent who behaved predictably and you could pick the date and why. Our Politicians, military, security services, found wanting for a change or not.
Yea but with innovation of the latest laser weaponry we could theoretically have a laser gun on every house, lampost, telegraph pole in the land, in theory a blanket of light, so no we don't need an iron dome just use a lightshade instead. Duh.
Is he saying "powerless"? Or "parless"? Maybe "pierless"?
Unfortunately, Israel won't sell the Iron Dome system far less the David's Sling or Arrow ABM systems.
No, absolutely not. Israel has sold David's Sling to Finland
Already sold many layers of the systems to many countries.
A tiny island which nearly conquered the entire planet, is now unsure of their Iron Dome 😂😂😂
"Our way of life" actually includes cheap oil and gas from Iraq, Russia, and cheap good made in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, while Russian, Chinese and Saudi oligarchs buy castles, football clubs and businesses in London-grad.
So hypothetically speaking how will UK defend itself against russian kalibr missiles?
There are a number of defensive layers:
• RAF and RN aircraft can intercept cruise missiles and long range drones long before they enter UK airspace.
• RN type 23 frigates have Sea Ceptor missiles that can intercept ballistic and cruise missiles to long range (~120km)
• The army fields Sky Sabre missiles, with comparable capabilities to Sea Ceptor.
In addition, missiles targeted to the UK have to pass over numerous allied nations; all of which would also be intercepting threats over their territory.
However, those British defences presume that the assets are withheld from overseas deployment for a purely defensive role around the UK.
Conservatives, Labour and the Civil Service incompetence hav crucified this countries defence. Sickening.
What will happen if Iranian subs attack or sink merchant shipping en route to The Cape or even the approach to the Strait of Gibraltar? There just does not seem to be anything like enough sufficient assets to control both the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. Yes our way of lives are in real danger
Dont we have a nuclear umbrella ?
UK armed services will never recover due to a rapidly shrinking population. The armed services to not offer an attractive career in 2024.
The militry is so run down that it can't defend Britain and will take 10 to12years ofsubstantial investment to fix.
The RAF and RN can't defend neither our airspace or shores. The army so small that a "serious
invasion" wouldn't be hindered by it.
If Britain had to go to the aid of an allie or "friend" it would be seriously under strength and more of a liability than a help.
This has been done to balance the books.
The money has been wasted on the wrong thimngs.
As things are now, is Britain worth defending?
With a civil war not fsr off and the police out of control, the militry is just big enough big enough to supress a rebelion.🤔
Well said,very accurate.
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Defence from what or whom? 😂
Sure Britain cant fund it's existing military, but why not embark on new expensive defence projects. You are a poor country now, get used to it. And if you stop provoking wars around the world then maybe you'll have less need to spend all your money on "defence". ✌️
Yeah so as I’m presuming the geographical landscape will not change all that much in the next x amount of years, why not secure the Suez Canal with defence capability and make it difficult for rebels to access zones where they can attack. What’s the point in over-defending an island that’s unlikely to be attacked?
From what I can see it appears as though instead of decommissioning to balance risk, countries are expanding their arsenal to balance risk. I would hope a reasoned leader would rather balance risk through decommissioning than military expansion? Ahhhh it would appear as though Russia and North Korea would not agree to this, possibly China as well. Maybe if these countries felt the US were a fair, objective, internationally responsible, power diffusive country they wouldn’t feel the need to defend their freedoms and ideals. I think Vladimir Putin and Israel to a degree, are anomalies who are distorting any hope of peaceable international diplomacy. I personally don’t think the USA is responsible enough to command international affairs through its central banking control vehicle. The 2008 crisis, Israeli tolerance, incapability to counter Russian aggression and Guantanamo facilities are among a few examples of this. It’s not fair trade when the dollar is the reserve currency. If you want to run the world, run it properly.
It’s the squirrel response. SQUIRREL,LOL
We can staff the armed forces with Indians
Joke. The enemy are coming in on boats
Iron Dome? Don't make me laugh! The UK couldn't manage a blancmange Wendy house!
When did India land on the beaches?
Israel has to forbid sales of arms to britanistan
Exactly what I was thinking 😂😂😂
They have,just not made the papers.
Lets get our current military equipment working. Let alone a white elephant like this.
It's strange if you ask me. We had the old fashioned equivalent during WWII that was all done by humans. Multi sensor detectors (audio, comms radio direction finding, and radar). They would bring all the data together in the plotting room and deduce tracks. Then they would allocate RAF resources (hurricanes and spitfires) to counter the threat. Well, we have all the pieces, but I know for a fact that talking about the integration of those capabilities in defence companies is frowned upon. Perhaps that's just my experience, but we can certainly do it. The problem is that no-one wants to do it unless they can charge a crazy cost. It's not the know-how. It's the will.
We could always buy some Patriot systems. It's not rocket science.
B+ for effort
FYI Patriots are very hard to get and are incredibly expensive. The whole point is that they're positionable and can be set up dynamically
@@urbanarmory I know how much they cost as for being hard to get they are even harder to get when there isn't an order in for them.
@@jonescrusher1 🥱
@@thegoat11111 Patriots are fantastic systems, but their benefit is that they're portable. It makes much more sense for the UK to consider how to build its own emplaced systems
Instead of just reflexively spending more, the deeper question should be with the government already spending over two percent of gdp and the military is in such a tragic state, where is the money going? Is current spending getting value?
This is an important question. Billions wasted on the Ajax programme, which is also significantly behind schedule, and recruitment delegated to Capita, who by all accounts are letting many applicants slip through their fingers due to delays and bureaucracy. We really need to get more out of what we spend.
All to protect us from the Genocide in Palestine
The UK is a sitting duck.... literally... We float in one place in the ocean within striking distance of Russia's smallest missiles and our coastal waters and beaches are open and un guarded. We don't even have a home guard with pitch forks and wooden play rifles. Very few of the population own a gun, few are trained in self defence, critical infrastructure and Installations are poorly guarded and they are sign posted. We are more vulnerable than we were in WW II. The Tory party, who are in the pocket of Russian Oligarchs, would put out the red carpet for an Invading Russian force.
30,000 in reserve. No civil defence. No shelters. No layered anti missile/ drone cover. Ability to mobilize 3/4 of an armoured division.
@gordonspicer it's a bit grim, isn't it ?
Should I be learning Russian ?
Yes what we need is to waste more money on "defence" vanity projects. After all its not like there's anything else we could be spending it on
HAHAHAHAH HAHAHA LONDONSTAN HAS FALLEN....forget trying to compare yourselves to a western nation 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
David Cameron’s austerity legacy, thank goodness he is not in the Cabinet anymore. Oh Wait!😵
Many countries throughout Europe have countless bunkers for the citizens in case of a nuclear attack we here in the uk have nothing but we send billions abroad to help everyone else
Since when are short range rockets a threat to the UK?
It would be pretty easy for a select committee to highlight where the defence budget gets (badly) spent and stop it, but then their sponsors would get upset with them. Russian corruption pales into insignificance compared to ours.
iron doom dont have a clue of those hyper-sonics
whose hyper-sonics?
UK 🇬🇧 should not be fighting for Israel.
No one voted fir this.
Iron Dome is more like a paper bag.