The Toxic Side Of The Monster Hunter Community
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2022
- The Toxic Side Of The Monster Hunter Community
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What do you think of this whole situation, and have you ever had a negative experience with other hunters in Online Quests?
I never really experienced really bad players when playing online. All the random people I hunted were pretty cool.
But I understand what they are trying to do. If people keep buying these microtransactions the developers will keep doing them and it will get worse.
But I don't believe kicking other people will fix this problem. Why would people change their spending habits because of some rando.
Also the community is known for being welcoming. Don't let microtransactions destroy this good part of the community.
Good to see big tuber talking about this!! I made a video that blew up about this topic!!
Literally great too see you talking about this better than I could lol.!!
I remember when I first fought Fatty when he dropped for world, I was still fighting him and finally killed him and wanted to farm him more with some people who have had more experience with Fatty then I did so I made a post to find a hunter group to farm Fatty with me and teach me a thing or two then I got someone and invited him to a party I think his name was S1X NUK3D but besides that he seemed normal but then when our 3rd person joined us and he flipped and had a meltdown calling my build trash and I was running an Anti Fatty Build for an easier hunt but after his fit he left the party and I just ended up making a new hunter squad with positive energy we killed Fatty 4 times and made a full set out of him. The end
I'm with them on this. if they don't want to run quests with people who pay into something they explicitly disapprove of, then I don't see an issue here. It's called freedom of association. they don't want to work together with people who encourage that...they're free to. The title space of a title has far too little space to use for warnings.
And no...monster hunter players are not always positive, the amount of players that are ttoxic have never been a "small" portion of them. it might not be the majority, but it has always been a relevantly-sized minority. Even back in Tri, I saw front and center actual cross-forum/community feuds between subsections of the playerbase. One example being that GameFAQs forum and the Capcom Unity forum having beef with one another. Online gaming is like this, it's called Tribalism and it's a part of the human experience. Differing groups with differing views will have conflicts and that's simply life.
In this case, someone has an ethical disagreement with another because the topic at hand doesn't stop having an impact on them simply because it was their wallet. This is how people who have no direct way to redress grievance get problems solved, regardless of majority or minority status. you see this with any form of civil disobedience. inconveniencing the majority, who are so thoughtless as to enable the banality of evil, in order to have an effect on the provider is and long has been a legitimate form of protest. Stigmatizing paid DLC now that it has shown that it will continue to encroach on things so that future purchases become less common until they finally become insufficiently profitable is the aim.
Thankfully my most play time in multiplayer is mhgu (in other games like 4u I mostly solo) and surprisingly i havent met any super toxic one, maybe because i use HH?
But I did kicked once because i was using prowler but I think its because im using a non-maxed prowler but oh well
Then I played world annnnnnddd...
If you know, you know :)
For an online multiplayer game community with the large fan base that it has, Monster hunter is in the top 5 least toxic. The petty disagreements and elitism is NOTHING compared to the levels in other games, monster hunters recent "controversies" are just a symptom of the community being so large now
This is absolutely correct; I have experienced far worse toxicity in other titles (namely Dota, LOL), this mean nothing compared to them. But yes, the larger the community, the more toxicity it will get
Atleast, till world
You cannot deny that the amount of toxicity has been increasing in recent years. While it is still not as toxic as others, the increase in trend is concerning.
Agree
@@SpacedogD i only started seeing consistent toxicity from World players, maybe since it has reached mainstream now
I play mostly with random folks online and have only rarely encountered openly hostile people. Compared to other games, most people playing MH tend to be far more wholesome and kind than the average gamer.
@AlanShukan because there is no 3 player HP back in MHW, if one player got kicked the other 3 will have to fight a 4 player hp monster. But with MHR is just a MESS, I also made a video about it just to memorize one of the most toxic player I have encountered.
I think this is just an unfortunate side effect of Monster Hunter massively gaining popularity in the recent years. Before, the community felt a lot more welcoming and wholesome when it was small and niche (in the US), because they just wanted other people to give their favorite game a chance and join in on the fun. But now that the community is much larger you start seeing a lot more elitists and sweaties. The MonHun community is probably still one of the better ones out there, but I do miss the old family vibe community
I think a good reason is the games weren't utilized with true online functionality until mh tri on wii, unless you owned mh2 or mh on ps2 with a online adapter. Otherwise, I remember ad-hoc being the thing that brought friends together. Mh tri through the 3ds games grew the online side of community, opening the door to mainstream. Not that I hate that it hit mainstream. But, once it did with world, people started wanting the dlc akin to live service games like destiny. Unfortunately, heavy monetization seems to be a requirement for AAA game studios to keep up with the lack of being able to improve the base 60$ price tag. The fan base improves in numbers, meaning more ignorant opinions and mindsets, more things to adjust, more people to make happy. The time they take to develop and the manpower they use to make these things happen keeps skyrocketing the more technology improves, which means more money is needed. I just wish there was a better way to go about it, really. But, still- I love all hunters, even if they may support monetization that COULD get to a toxic level at some point in the future. I just hope they took some time to calm down and realize it's not like other games, and to lower their expectations to the level monster hunter has always been at: polished and mythical and absolutely fun to play.
@@graveyardqt if they can just make more games like world then im happy. Monsters hunter rise feels like a butchered version of monster hunter.
@@Floridamangaming729 World wasn't what made Monster Hunter a good game, nor was it the first one. World was great and had A LOT of issues of its own. Rise lines up with the games before world when it comes to content, even matching World in Quantity, and it isnt even over with the updates going into next year. The value of the updates are also huge. I think you just want Monster Hunter World 2, which will never happen. World was the outlier, it was massively different than any other title. World was also the one to bring in heavy amounts of toxicity. I support the hell out of that game but, elitists who praise the game for being perfect do nothing but add to the toxicity because all it does is divide the community more. Just because something isn't a direct faithful sequel to a game sequel that's never worked that way in the past doesn't make it bad. When Monster Hunter 6 gets announced last quarter of 2023, it will most likely be more akin to that of world in fidelity, but the practices for dlc and polish and care are in every single game, including rise and I bet should be even in mh6, because they've never ever let me down when it comes to content and quality. I'm super curious, why do you feel that way about rise/sunbreak? Open to discussion! 💖
@@graveyardqt I startet playing Mh with the Og Freedom and played every single game up until rise now. For me the wirebug ruined the game. It took away the fighting style i was used to for over 10 years. And it is indeed really easy. Even Mr is easy. World was awesome adding more mechanics to the old weapon system and it had some real challenges. Rise has a fighting style for casuals is easy af and the artstyle is not my cup of tea. I really hope the Gen 6 will wither be more like world or more like the Og games.
To add to my command. I am currently going through GU solo again. And its so much more fun to me. There is just something so satisfying about the old fighting mechanics that makes it perfect for me.
I've never once seen toxic behaviour in Monster Hunter World. Not one time. When I get carted I feel so bad like I am wasting peoples time, and I am paranoid they will get mad at me for wasting their time. I have even lost real friends for them yelling at me for wasting their time when I make a mistake. So I am always terrified of people being mad at me for it, but no one, has shown me any attitude or anger for doing so, they show me support and always say "You are learning! Just focus on getting better and it is never a waste of time! Thats what makes this game fun, you don't just win every fight, lets go again!"
I've been told "GET GOOD NOOB" even though i carted to an attack that is REALLY hard for me to dodge or it one hits me even though i'm full hp (and ate for elem resis up or defense up) so when i cart and people have friendly auto shoutouts for a teammate carting it makes my day
Pretty sure some of them were just feeding you to monsters XD. I remember doing that to newbies in MHFU.
I actually feel like that in every game. Another reason why I hate online games. The problem with MH is however that I'm a veteran and this shouldn't happen to me. I should be able to dish out insane DPS, make absolutely no mistake and kill everything in 2 to 5 minutes. At least that's what people probably expect
Edit: apparently it did reply to the right comment. I don't know why it replied at first at the comment underneath. UA-cam seems glitched.
I never get mad at people for carting. I understand accidents happen, and that's ok. What does tick me off is when people get carried through the game and decide to do hard content. I'm dealing with that rn on world. Dude makes 0 effort to get better at the game that I just don't want to play with him anymore. It's an actual waste of time. Dying to an attack because you made a mistake or that particular monster is a bit challenging for you is 100% fine. Running around the monster 24/7 and not even trying to learn a monsters attacks is going to tick people off.
Now you might say " That can't be common, though." Oh you have no idea. I try to offer tips, they just won't listen. I've been doing this since the game came out. You could imagine it'd get pretty tiring
@@basedbasedonwhat2137 lazy leeches. They ruin the game. They might as well just hack the damn thing but they’re probably too dumb and lazy for that too.
Monster hunter has been a blessing for me and I can't thank the community enough. Rise is my first game into the franchise and my dormate YES my dormates introduced me to Rise and after that I couldn't stop playing and throughout my time I meet some amazing people I'm glad to call friends again thank you MH community with open arms and respect
Hell yeah brother.
MH is a rabbit hole that once you're in, no other games can make you as satisfied as this game.
@@trolleycartwheel9409 Facts mad fucking addicting
OH MY GOD HI LEGOSHI nice seeing you here in the comments!!
@@trolleycartwheel9409 man you're right. I played MHW and now even Elden Ring isn't providing me the same thrills and enjoyment.
First started playing when MHW and MHWI came out. Was getting walled and the online community really helped. They were cool with me carting multiple times and even squading up with me to get me through difficult hunts.
While there were some elitist and speed runners, they were very rare compared to the more helpful players. Heck I still play world/iceborne just to help newer players on hunts as a way to show the love that was shown to me.
Yes. Monster Hunter is a great franchise. But with how the game industry is like, it's not hard to imagine people not wanting it even CLOSE to the other examples
I think the size of the community caused the most toxicity, because now there are more sweaty tryhards or meta-slaves calling you inferior, because you wear "the wrong armourset"
made me realize that the pre-world armor skill system made it v hard to make meta sets
which is probably why there were hardly any "wrong armor set lmao" back in the day (unless you had like 0 skills active lol)
@@PsycheTrance65 Yeah, new skills system has simultaneously been a blessing and a curse. On one hand, you can be far more flexible with your loadouts and tailor them to your specific play-style, as well as use skills that were practically tied to certain armour sets previously (looking at you, Earplugs).
On the other hand, this makes min-maxing possible, and with World and Rise opening the franchise up to people who are used to playing games like Destiny, which *expect* min-maxed setups, you've got a recipe for trouble. Then you can throw in Rise's lack of equipment balance and weapon favouritism, which brings us up to the current situation.
Agree, fuck the meta in every single game, back on freedom unite my friends and I used to be creative on making original builds just for fun. Meta came to ruin games, videogames are made to have fun and have good times on it
I've never had a bad experience. So far all the randoms I pair with on hunts have all been stand-up guys. And gals. And very probably guys playing as gals.
IMO if someone with cool DLC Layered Arnor showed up, I tend to pull out my in-game camera and try to take a picture of them.
My house is filled with pictures of random hunters from memorable hunts 🤣
The last part of what you said is incredibly based
It's like finding a cosplayer in anime/game events lol
That's actually really wholesome, and a good idea! Might try this lol, fill your house with pics of you and your hunting buddies together
it's a shame we don't ecounter i probably made your day with my set of gogo dancer in mhwi XD
I've noticed a lot more of the toxicity in the community is much larger ever since sunbreak came out compared to the other games. It's so sad because people will be called useless for using sets that tank and etc.
Most of it came from world since it brought so many new people
@@Duppy0906 yeah as a player that came from world I can say that the community got toxic towards the end of iceborne too now rise and sunbreak. I remember when I first joined everyone was super chill too now where people will get genuinely upset if you don’t use the top meta sets or if you don’t use certain weapons.
It's been around since at least Tri. You used to get booted in some lobbies for trying to bring SnS to Alatreon.
It's just being milked for content more now
Why tank when you can dodge the attack entirely? Tank is ok for learning, but building for it? Fuck outta my hunt.
@@greenthunder1000 it’s called a preference for play style plus you know there are weapons that use shield right ? Plus why would care what someone uses if you are so good just play alone so you don’t have too worry what another player is using/doing. The only time when you should care is when a player is actively helping In a hunt such as camp afking if that’s the case then you have the right too kick players.
I mean, I have to be honest. If this is the worst thing going on in the community…then the community is not toxic at all.
I’ve been a part of many different gaming communities, and I’ve seen some truly garbage things. There may be a handful of “bad apples” but the community isn’t toxic.
Minor toxicity is still toxic. Just cause there are worse ones out there doesnt mean we shouldn't hold ourselfs in the community responsible for the toxicity
@@depressedeboy
Sure. I’m simply saying for me…this isn’t toxic. The devs have given people the power to kick someone from their lobby or quest without giving a reason. It sucks to be the one kicked as it’s happened to me before, but that doesn’t make it toxic. It’s simply an inconvenience.
Oof. I've unfortunately had my fair share of encounters with these "problematic" kind of players. From back in 4U where elitists would kick you out just for not having any HR 900 or above to recently even having one join in a lobby I set up and openly started threatening to kick them out for not performing well in the lobby THAT I SETTED UP, so I kicked them out for it. And then there are those that just speedrun the hunts without letting some of us just trying to break some extra parts to help out with getting certain parts. I didn't think this was becoming a growing issue until recently.
lmao last year i joined a lobby made by some incel bum named "bussybopper". Literally nobody in that lobby was doing anything so I posted a misson and then he started throwing a bitch fit and started throwing insults about it and then threatened to kick me out if I didn't take it off. So I told him to fk off and I doubled down
Tbh the speedrunnjng the quest is a damage discrepency like its fine if you use a set that jas lower damage and more survivability but you cant call people toxic for useing high damage sets even if their wepons cant cut tails
That's true but it is different when putting up the quest while having certain details like going for the head break or tail cut to getting a certain specific part before the hunt starts is something I thought was something to take note of.
Thing is I will absolutely decimate a monsters hp bar just because I've put around 3000 hours into the series, and enjoy set optimizing so ofc I'm gonna be going directly faster hunts. If I'm not explicitly asked to go for a certain part that's not usually worth hitting I'm not gonna go for it. But me and most of those speed hunters will happily help break a part if you let us know
Not toxic but very annoying are Rank 999 players that join, look at the Quest Board and leave after 5 seconds because apparently we're not worth their time or presence lmao
People who got kicked just claimed that they got kicked because of using DLC weapons, but if that was the case they could just hide their weapons in town. Also it's very unlikely that the lobby host was telling them beforehand why they get kicked.
It's a weird argument, but there's simply no justification to be made that favors the devs or publisher. It was a horrible move and some people won't be buying the next game because of it.
Should MH ever introduce a battle pass or even the slightest p2w elements i will leave it behind as well
But you can't hide your weapons on quests tho, they were probably kicked mid quest or something
@@saladv3028 they can just use them when they play solo
@@saladv3028 People barely notice when fighting what weapons/armour other hunters are wearing that's where the "they claim" part comes in, for all we know they might've been kicked for multiple other reasons.
Most HH players rarely have good sets, in my 2k hours I can count on one hand those that had good ones and that's without taking 100+ anomaly quests in consideration, all I see from HHs in this quests is full defence and tanky ones and they take a while to spiribird, wouldn't be surprised if the guy that got kicked 12 times was part of this group of people if someone simply don't want to play with a HH that doesn't even have 2 offensive skills that's on them but I highly doubt is for the cosmetics.
@@Mustard-Seeds I mean, the dlc weapons are pretty flashy, plus hunting horn is a pretty large weapon, so it's not like it'll be invisible in hunts.
The redditor also said after 12 kicks they made their own lobby using layered scorned HH, presumably the kicking stopped after that
The MH community has always had some toxic elitists in it. I remember during the 4U days that players that wore the Star Knight gear was labelled as scrubs hence the name "Star Knight Scrub" and were constantly getting kicked from rooms because the armor was so good.
In 4u I still remember there was a small part of the community that would kick on site if you weren't playing some combo of greatsword,ig,hbg, or charge blade(maybe 1 or 2 more) was crazy. When I played this back in 4u I was like 13 or 14 and didnt even know what concepts of dps was. I was just playing the game and killing monsters(making sets that look strong like star knight)toxic elitist kicking me for using sns was how i found out what dps meant. Dont even get me started with base gen(got a little better for me in gu for some reason) id get kicked 1/10 hubs I join cause I played prowler even when I got to hr 700 I still got kicked lmao so yeah I agree community always been toxic tbh
Most people got kicked for star knight because they obtained the set early from other users posting unreleased quests to farm.
People got kicked for wearing Star Knight ? I was a day one 4u player, never been kicked cause of this
@@Suirioujin yeah just people that were mad that some people obtained it early
@@SwaxMain4u because of cheating ? Or just they build the armour at the beginning of G-rank ?
We haven't reached Mono poison-type status yet, we just happen to know toxic spikes and poison stong.
Fairly minor and avoidable, but still apparent with its venom.
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I like the Pokemon reference, which is ironically, a fanbase that is 10x toxic than MH will ever be.
@Ammagon which is unfortunate, considering that Pokémon mostly targets children and then carry that over to other games.
@@aiodensghost8645 "bUt iTs nOt fOr kIds It hAs DarK mAtUrE sErIOUs sTUfF oN iT" and then proceeded to reference how people used to marry to their own Pokemon, and then constantly bring up the same old Arbok getting cut in half in the manga, which speaking off, the Manga is definitely cool and dark and serious because it has blood and death in it and the games should be like it.
-also the fans are either pdfiles or z00files-
i've always found the monster hunter community to be very intimidating and judging at times, but equally as much i've found it to be very open armed and full of comradery
i've been playing since 4U all the way back in 2015-2016 and that vibe has changed very little throughout my time in this franchise
yh my first win on the final boss of iceborn wont spoil in case, the guys who helped me were very kind when i died twice and even taught me what to do,
on the other hand when i tried to join someone to fight second final boss i got kicked cause i was below 100 mr, other than that ive had a great time on the game
Only time i've experienced toxicity was during the safi siege in iceborne i joined a dude who had a very similar looking avatar we were emoting at each other ...And then i did the cutesy poses and he messaged get out and kicked me XD.
generally playing online other players have been very kind and fun to play with. Even on off days when I've joined and messed up their hunts.
Toxicity has been around since MH1 days but as time has gone on the toxic nature has gone from the old games to the new games.
Before 3U I didn't meet a lot of toxic people, but after 3U was released I started seeing a lot more elitists basically demanding the game be played there way or to not play at all, 4U had another issue, if you wanted to find someone to help you get through online quests, you'd have to go through a mountain of people that would criticize and basically tell you that you suck. Even now I have a friend who wanted help with G-Rank and was told "No it's easy just get better", on top of this if you aren't wearing a mix set these days you're seen as a bad player.
I didn't play Gen enough to truly get into Online and I never cared for GU so I can't speak on that.
But these days most of the toxicity has moved to Iceborne and Rise, the small communities that still play the older titles are generally really nice and accepting, having recently played through 3Tri's online thanks to the community working on the servers, and now enjoying MH1.
I remember back in 2019 I was just making jump from high rank to g rank with my full azure rathalos set and was looking at farming my first g rank set. Some guy joins the lobby and says "your set is bad, so bad that I almost want to leave". The other guy I was with in the lobby with and myself just waved and told him "suit yourself". If you don't want to help a hunter out and give some pointers why waste your breath spewing nonsense. This is why people leave the franchise. That's been my only toxic encounter since I got into the series in 2018. I see a lot of other players talking about the "veterans" gatekeeping though.
I love Monster Hunter and it's community sooo much. I remember playing World/Iceborne for the first time, just as I got to reach High Rank, a couple of people from the Facebook Group I was in hopped in my server and helped me with a lot of the hunts. A couple hours later they asked "Are we getting annoying?" because they noticed how it's always them one-shotting the monster and finishing the quest before 10 mins, I didn't really get to enjoy the hunts, so I asked if they could adjust to me, and they happily did, they all used hunting horns to buff me up while I was there getting my ass beaten, they were typing in chat when and what moves to dodge, or which zones to go to. It's reaaally fun and refreshing, every time I go back to the gathering hub, there'd be people waving and gathering around me since I had the lowest armor of the server, I have yet to experience this in Rise/Sunbreak, but I am sooo looking forward to it. These so called "controversies" are nothing but just adjustments that Capcom's taking since MH has been getting bigger and bigger, and with competition coming (Wild Hearts by EA and Koei), whether or not it's gonna be successful, they will definitely bring something new, and Capcom needs to do something. I honestly don't think this is a bad thing per se, you can just NOT buy the layered armour/weapons, it's your money and you it's not mandatory to buy these things. Buying the games is already more than enough to support the devs, it's fckin Capcom for crying out loud. But yes, I do agree that it beats the purpose of grinding for the layered armour and weapons, which to me makes it feel like a gacha game because you get better things by paying more. Other than that, I am happy with whatever is up there rn, I would rather not buy it, but if I happened to have those completionist moments, then maybe I will. But yeah, this is mostly my opinion on that, feel free to correct me.
I don't have those problems either since the only time I played MHR/S was together with a friend via local connection. So yeah I never played Monster Hunter Rise online because I'm more of a solo player and want to challenge myself with doing everythin on my own. Back to the topic, I think it's kind of a shame that people get toxic about things that don't affect them in any way since they usually dont see anything in an online hunt because of the tons of effects everywhere and I'm glad that this is still only a small amount of people.
The community really isn't as toxic as a lot ofo communties, its their but its not bad, but the toxicity we do get in the community, is mostly the toxic postivity type, you now the ones, the white knights who will defend EVERY thing capcom does no matter how bad. Think the event quests are lackluster? Nah son according to them your just entitled. And some content creators tend to echo this toxicity. I love Ragegamingvideos for instance but they have a TERRIBLE habbit of trying to justify every bad decision capcom makes i mean loo at their videos about the comminuty being upset at layered weapons , its one of their worst videos bare non
I don't really play MH, why the big deal about layered weapons but not layered armor...?
@@thezambambo2184 It's the slippery slope, people hated the paid layered armor and knew it would translate to weapons. It's just now alot of the "it won't get that bad" crowd has their minds opened and are embarrassed as they should be having egg on their faces or they double down because of their hubris.
@@Kinzoku_Zileus My personal opinion? I don't agree with each individual piece of a layered set being sold separately, but at the very least, the changes are only cosmetic and don't actively make it so you HAVE to buy them to be on par with everyone else
Che. I Fuckin bet the people who bitch about layered cosmetics are people who orgasmed with Fatalis update in World.
@@Kinzoku_Zileus not even just that though. another one is they have these cool layered weapons/armors as paid dlc and all we get for event quests are dogshit stickers and emotes. compared to world where it was opposite being layered weapons and armors are from event quests and emotes/dances as paid dlc.
I remember playing Generations and being kicked out a few times for using a mixed Brute Tigrex set but aside from that I haven't experienced much toxicity. Usually they're more than willing to help you with a quest if you need it. It's quite similar to the DS community in that sense: lots of gatekeepers and elitists but the majority are great people
3:21 A little out of topic, but it's kind of funny that I always queue online due to it being quite boring to hunt by myself and even if we get triple carted, I still enjoy the hunt a lot more. It's like having ambiance to keep myself accompany. I can't hunt alone for more than 2 or 3 times before I need to take a break.
Thank you for this video, even it has past already 5months and I'm waiting to get my hands on Sunbreak in Spring!
My 1st experience with toxic players was way back in MH Try on the Wii, where I had an amazing mixed set and was way ahead of the whole lobby, but the host told me to get a full set or leave, if I refused he'd kick me.
As my 2nd: I once helped solo an other player get his urgent Quest 2 Agnaktor done and he died way to fast 2 times and I told him multiple times not to enter the room I'm fighting in as I really want to help him and him not getting carted the 3rd time. His curiosity couldn't stop him from entering the room. As an matter of fact, the Firebeam from Agnaktor hit him across the map and instantly killed him... which ofc let to the Failed quest.
3rd experience which stuck with me was, the MH Try Alatreon Cluster speed run, where I sadly didn't have the armour and weapon for but the left me go with them, even they knew I'm not ready. Afterwards the told me to get the right armour with the required skills. This was in the end my bad, but I was happy to had the experience once.
So yeah, that's my fair share of the community behaviour, which is mostly positive as in World there were many players with lower armours but had better skill than most player of the party which surprises you often times as you really aren't sure if their armour represents their skill or your failed mission after 3 used carts XD
As for my experience, playing the old games and the newer ones, I haven't really encountered any toxicity. Even when I feel like I'm a liability during quests they still continue to advice me about right builds or they will offer to grind materials so that I can build better equipments and they are genuinely so chill. They just laugh it off and we dance in the lobby area.
I remember a couple weeks back, I started getting into playing MH1 online on the private server, and I met two other players who wished to group up. They were more experienced with the first game than I was, as I had only played the fifth gen games at that point. So we decide to hunt a Gypceros, and we get it to the point where it feigns death. I thought it was knocked out or something, so I proceed to attack its head. I learned the hard way what Gypceros does to the unprepared. The moment it started thrashing, I instantly carted, and one of the other players said "PRANKED". I apologized for carting, but both players were more than okay with it. I hope I gave them a good laugh with my inexperience. They were both really good sports about everything though.
I really started to see it in world with more mainstream appeal. I got kicked from Fatalis hunts for having a low HR while wearing a full Fatalis set.....
That’s some classic mmo shit lmao. I remember in Destiny 1 I got kicked from a crota raid because I was only level 31 instead of 32, despite this being my 3rd character, using all weapons from the raid, and having the raid emblem, and stuff like that still happens all the time
Question is, how do you know that they were kicked because of the layered wespons? Could be a connect issue, bad gameplay, no gameplay etc etc, the game wont tell you WHY.
They're very open about that sort of stuff but if you need proof, jump into a good bunch of lobbies with the layered weapons and see how many get you kicked out
Always remember no matter how bad it may seem there are always those few people who will help you get to high rank and g-rank those guys are awesome.
i remember doing that back to mh3u it was fun too do
I'm not sure if it's a regional or a platform problem. I'm playing on switch and I haven't run in to those kinds of toxic lobbies or hunts (yet). I'm also from Hawaii, so if I join lobbies or hunts, I end up hunting with players from Asian regions like Japan or China. Most of the messages sent in chat are mainly positive or shot calling.
But when I talk to some friends from the mainland US, the experienced a few "dropped connections" and other toxic mannerisms on both pc and switch hunts.
I really wanna hear from players in other regions or platforms
I’ve not experienced any toxicity at all on switch either. I was thinking the same thing too I feel like I mainly play with people from Asia. I don’t think the switch is hugely popular in the US, let alone monster hunter on there. So I just feel like people on switch are more respectful and nice
@@sunfire285 Switch is very popular in Japan and the community of it is wholesome as well. Yeap one of the reason they're positive
I think most of my experiences on Monster Hunter have been pretty positive. People generally use some level of etiquette and consideration for others like when posting urgents and stuff. Nowadays everyone clears the quest. So patience and turns matter less. There was a small subset of elitists but I think its pretty rare. I remember in 4U joining a room with a few people that wanted to kick me for having a clownsuit and under 600 defense for an Apex Tigrex quest. I said it was pretty unfair to judge when you dont know someones skill and that they can check my guild card if I carted frequently on my last quests. I also said that my build was for status dual blades so my build was a deliberate choice. The lobby leader told me fine but if you cart once youre getting kicked. Before we left on the quest I told him "Dont cart". He ended up carting all three times. He also abandoned the lobby after failing the quest. Im not usually petty but those moments always give me a laugh.
2:12 "it doesn't affect the game in any way"
Oh, but it does. When Capcom sees all the money these types of microtransactions make, they're going to add more and more and more.
Yeah, I mean... This is essentially a protest. Kick people out who buy the gear, and they might finally stop feeding the machine that ruins it for the rest of us. Capcom has had some incredibly greedy games in the past, and MH is objectively heading in that direction based on World, and even worse, Rise.
Is it @ssholish to kick someone for DLC? Sure. I feel buying the DLC makes you one too though.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the statement of : “it’s only cosmetic, it has no effect on the game and if it did it’s the fault of the devs”. It’s the business practices of its publisher and it’s higher up. Everyone has the right to disagree and stand against something they don’t believe is correct.
Every time someone brings this up, I always told them Oblivion Horse Armor. Snowball effects example, at its finest.
I don't care about your personal enjoyment, you buy those shits monetisation and thus supporting it, others will suffer for it *eventually.* And that, my friend, when I will care.
I'm lucky I've never experienced Lost Code kicking. Got just the glaive one using coins...
Still decided to make and use new layered sets as a precaution.
This wasn't specifically in game, but I was on tiktok and a guy on the comments was asking for just general help on MH cause they were a new player. Every comment that was replying to them was laughing at them, telling them that they need to learn on their own and "It's monster hunter, you need to struggle first"
Shit made me sick and I tried my best to help the guy (can't do much when you don't play on the same console and tiktok has that hella short character limit for comments) and told them to ignore the others in the comments cause they don't represent the rest of the community
2 other incidents from my end, but when I first started World, I joined the mh reddit discord asking for advice on Gunlance for a new player. Cue them trying to tell me I should be playing other weapons cause Gunlance is trash while also spamming me with speedrunning builds that, me being a completely new player at the time), would not have understood at all
And also when Rise first released on Switch I kept getting booted from lobbies for playing Gunlance
Well at least the community isn’t as unhinged or homicidal as… other communities… and I’m fairly new to monster hunter and everybody’s been so nice 😊,
and hunting with you guys is just the best!
MH World was my first experience with online play. I never found any issues, even when enlisting help from randoms for specific hunts like Safi, Kulve or Behemoth. Hell one of my most memorable and enjoyable experience is when I made up a team of randoms to help farm AT Vahlkana. We got all the tickets without a single faint. Smooth. I wish to have more experiences like that in the future.
Same, so many folks from a gaming board got together for the Behemoth, Kulve, Safi, etc fights.
Everyone was encouraging and gave tips and did not experience baditudes. Its surprising when people blame "World newbies" for the toxicity when a community of us helped each other out so much with 2000+ hours.
I've always played offline but I finally got internet and I may go online, I'm stuck on behemoth.
The most toxicity I’ve experienced in MonHun was back in 4 Ultimate when I needed to get some of the Apex materials. We went on an Apex Rajang hunt, never fought one at the time so I didn’t know exactly what to do by that point. After failing the quest, kicked immediately with the entire blame being placed on me. Honestly just shrugged it off and went to another lobby with a few friends the next day
i mean... getting kicked isnt a nice feeling but if you carted multiple times then it is kind of justified?
@@shadowboy2417 I kinda don’t see how, I only carted once in that quest specifically.
I don't normally play in random lobbies unless I'm opening a quest for random to join. I haven't seen any toxicity during this I hope to stay that way but I don't want to be kicked just for having a DLC hair style or my build
I remember downloading a mod for Monster Hunter World that was out of date and bricked my game. So I went to the steam community forums and asked for help to fix it so I could just play the game again. I was met with hatred from players for just the conceit of downloading a mod. People would post in the forum with zero intention of helping me or anyone else who had the same problem. They were glad that I wasn't able to launch my game and hoped I could never play it again.
This was the only experience i've had interacting with the MH community in this way. For a game that seems to revolve around hunters coming together to overcome massive obstacles this interaction was very ironic and sad.
I appreciate you mentioning that the toxic elements of the community is a small but vocal members of the community. Another small and vocal member of the community are players who say they got kicked from 12 lobbies. If you think it is your DLC weapon skin that is getting you kicked, you have the option to not present it.
It is true that the developers are not seeing any of the DLC skins money. it is just the shareholders of Capcom. but by buying these DLC skins, more and more development time will be allocated to these types of cheap to make skins in comparison to making huge expansions. I don't have any numbers before me, but I am confident that the profit margins (how much money they have to spend to pay someone to make DLC vs how much money they make) is higher for making skins than making the large expansion. That means everytime someone buys a skin that profit margin favors the skin over expansion.
everyone loves to look at Bethesda as the example from Morrowind horse armor to fallout 76, but the people upset about the cosmetic only DLC turned out to be right. as long as you show that the smaller DLC makes a higher profit margin, the company will direct more time to that over (in fallout 76 's case) making the game even playable. (yes fallout 76 is much better now, but they kept adding things to the atomic shop far longer than they should have when the game was unplayable)
Totally agree with you. This isn't about builds, playstyles, weapon choice, or anything like that. This is a protest done by players to show that they don't want this form of monetization. Would definitely love to see more people behind this because people buying microtransactions definitely affects the game and future games. We love the game and really want to see it be good and microtransactions are awful for players
it's been a while since i played MH online, but i remember back in the days of Tri and 3U as a newbie i was carried by good randos, specially a german couple that had 3k hours played and help me clear Grank and farm stuff. i don't have great memories of 4U online, but i don't remember being kicked either. the later games i played offline, so i don't know if that influx of elitist is new or i was just lucky to never come across them before.
On Xbox One, I used to play MHW a lot. I had been playing it since launch all the way up to the release of Iceborne with over 500+ hours under my belt with the game.
I would usually get kicked from sessions, be made fun of by clans, all because I didn't build my equipment right, or I should say, couldn't. Because no matter how hard I grinded for jewels/decos, I could never get the right decos and materials for "optimal" builds. People would often flex on me with their builds or brag about how they have more or better decos than me or a higher HR. Not to mention, each and every time I needed help fighting a monster, I would 9 times outta 10, get shunned for the fact I couldn't do it on my own. This got so much worse when Iceborne dropped, to the point where I quit the game. Only reason I play rise now is because they added the Mizutsune.
Toxicity? It must be Chameleos and his poison builds OwO
What are you talking about? I don't see Chameleos. All I see is mist. 😃
I don't play Rise with People. I will be getting Sunbreak in November, I haven't played it yet. But I know it will be fun.
I've never played monster hunter with other people tbh. Always been solo. Was just fun to hunt monsters.
See now I have no problems with anyone who buys DLC but the developers could have made a WHOLE collab for these lost code weapons using the recently release Neir game or such.
They do many other collabs or use to so why not now??
My single moment when someone was negative to me was back in MH4U. Someone didn’t like how I set the armor pigment on my seregios armor. I thought it was cool, but that guy clearly didn’t like it. I refused to change it so he left the gathering hall lol. I had the armor pigment to this really nice blue that added a cool contrast to the gold on the armor set.
I don't much care about the Lost Code DLC. I'm not affected by it much because I actually don't like the whole sci-fi look, so I didn't buy it. tbh i'm more sad about the Fall Armor set being available for free ONLY in the US and Canada by doing the stupid 30 minute discord thing. Like cmon man.
I didn't get fall armor free. I had to do the discord streaming. But it was 15 minutes.
And PC version only if I remember correctly.
And even if it was available for the switch, it would require buying a compatible capture card.
@@walkerpierce5446 you need to do the streaming through discord on the steam version but iirc you can choose whether u get the code for switch or steam
@@blackstar-genX that's free, mate. I'd rather stream 15 minutes on discord than pay.
@@walkerpierce5446 my dude, the switch literally has exclusive armor locked behind physical dlc called amiibo
Playing on Switch, I've seen a number of people with the Lost Code DLC but they never got kicked by the host. Seems to be more of a PC problem. MHW may have brought a flood of new players to the series but the game itself shouldn't be blamed for the actions of people.
I'm personally not a fan of paid DLC myself, I miss the time where you earned cool stuff through event quests rather than by pulling your credit card. All I bought across both WorldBorne and RiseBreak are some select few remix songs which I personally enjoy listening to, setting them as my bgm's.
To be fair earning cool/funny gear hasn't and will not go away with the introduction of paid dlc
Rise gave us Ghosts and goblins, Street fighter, Sonic, & Amaterasu event gear
As for Sunbreak it is only a few month old so we should give it some time
As for paid dlc in general, I personally think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill "they'll add monsters as paid dlc/battle pass" yeah.....no, that's not happening.
However I'll change my tune IF and only if they do something really egregious like introduce past event gear or gear from monsters that can't/won't be in game (like the Moh'rans or Ceadeus) into the shop, then I'll join y'all I'll even bring spare torches and pitchforks
I remember the first time I played through world back in 2018
I want to personally hug every one of those endgame hunters who started/joined expeditions to help early high rank people get materials
I been doing that ever since mh3u helping other people cus back then people would go n pick any quest, I remember I would ask em what they wanted n stuff n I would pick the quest n go ham on their key quest or whatever they wanted to grind
I might be one of the weirder ones because I've played since FU up until Rise and almost over 1k hour in all mh games (except tri) but I rarely play online (outside of my group of friends, in that case I play online almost every weekend) so I never really notice these changes
to me mh community is still the same as always
some talking about the monster design
some talking about the armor skills
some talking about which weapon is best
and some are talking about how horny they are for NPCs (even the monsters)
seeing people discussing how it's changing, and even coming up with a new term "world babies" is so foreign to me, gatekeeping stuff for the smallest/weirdest reasons
I've always let people do anything they want in mh, just do your stuff, we're all here to hunt monster and have fun afterall
and regarding the paid dlc layered weapon I don't really mind it tbh, yea it sucks that the best weapon is behind a paywall but then again, it's so so much extra than anything else
even for an event quest weapon, nothing really looked like Lost Code before, so I can understand the paywall. and it's just cosmetic
2:15 - the fault is on developer and not on the players who bought the dlc.
I disagree. We as consumers have responsibilities too. By supporting such practices, you incentivize Capcom to do more cosmetic dlcs for free money.
I'm not justifying kicking players for such petty reason, but I do understand it.
In regards to the toxicity surrounding the new DLC, I find it interesting how this is only an issue within the western side of the community. On the Japanese the side, the issues being brought up here are completely unknown to them. They wouldn't understand why people are getting kicked over using layered weapons. Heck, there's probably a number of foreign players out there who got kicked for this type of thing never knowing the reason for it. I think to a certain extent, people may be right in saying that the community has gotten significantly worse since World's release. The popularity in the west has gotten significantly bigger, but with it comes with a large group of bad actors. Behavior like this really makes us look bad to the rest of the community and shouldn't be tolerated. I'm on the stance that the Rise has been going a bit too far with the DLC, but kicking and harassing other players isn't the solution we should be seeking.
Well said
Japanese LOVE microtransaction. People need to remember that social game like this is the normie game, not a gamer game.
Yeah I notice that too; generally the Japanese don't care what you rock with, hell you can look like the default costume and they just won't care, have DLC they won't bat an eye. In the western side of things yes it's a 'problem' if you happen to have any DLC with you. I don't know why but that's my observation. Thankfully I have yet to be kicked in any server, probably because most of the groups and randos I play with just don't care about my layered armor.
@@ookamithefangjoker Agreed. If you look at the replies on the Japanese Twitter posts, there tends to be a lot more people praising the looks of the equipment and very little negativity around them. It's a complete contrast to how its viewed in the west. My guess is that negativity is amplified a lot more in the west because of the community's size and also because we have way more content creators talking about drama in the community. You wouldn't really see any Japanese Monster Hunter youtuber/influencer talk about this type of thing.
Plus like you said, it's all just cosmetics. The Japanese community tend to not really care about what you use, even if the skills are suboptimal. The only exception would be if you happen to stumble upon a room dedicated to speed farming stuff, but aside from that the Japanese community will collectively call out people if someone is whining about other people's gear or is being rude.
@@victoriazero8869 Yeah, it's definitely a social game in Japan. That's pretty much the reason why there's so many stickers and gestures out there. They're not going to see this as a problem until it actually affects gameplay (like introducing DLC equipment with actual stats.) Although, the concern over reduced free content and increasing DLC is definitely a valid concern we should all have. Feels bad when they release a weekly event quest that only gives out Guild Card titles as a reward. That could've easily been anything else.
For some reason, the toxicity started to happen more often to me on Rise than in Iceborne. When I jump into some random quests I was either fine to join in or I'm suddenly the "bad guy" when I literally. LITERALLY. just joined the lobby/quest. I just don't get people at all..
Seems like the lost code weapons took the place of what ever we were going to get for risen chamelos weapons
I mean /spit in tbc worked so well that blizzard had to get rid of the emote
Wasn't aware they had completely removed it. I do remember a huge scandal about it around the time Classic released
@@darkhero2 Ah naw they just removed the targeting
other than discord i have saw very few or 0 toxicity in the monster hunter community unless you count someone having the auto message as skill issue when someone faints lol i laugh when it happens even if its me who fainted lol
So not hating on the guys who bought it or anything, but I don’t really like the DLC weapons, the main reason I get Layered Weapons is a Badge of Honor, like I did this event or I hunted this monster, whereas literally any HR 1 Hunter just starting out could spend a couple dollars on a fancy weapon, though I will admit that I do occasionally use some of the armor because while my weapon is to be my badge of honor, I do just like my hunter looking good in general
There are some nice people in the community, then there are some people who can be real picky about who they hunt with. Relying on the Strengths of others in order to make huge dents in progress can be discouraging at times. I'm currently soloing MH3U and I feel it has made me a better hunter because of it
It may be purely cosmetic, but it sucks that the paid dlc is potentially a slippery slope.
I say if we want to keep pushing the community in a more positive direction we have to be really firm about not tolerating toxic behavior and condemning it whenever it shows itself. If bad actors aren't called out and punished then they will be more motivated to continue spreading that behavior. Also helps to reward good practices, if you help newbies and just keep the fun atmosphere of the game you are doing the right thing. I'd hate to see the community become like the other more infamous ones.
What I'll say is that the toxicity within the MH community really started to fester when MHW had its PC launch. More users, larger potential player base means more chance to get toxic players who troll and want to ruin other honest players' day. There were hackers on the PC and while it was not in any extreme measure of course, it was enough that warranted PC players to speak up about it. Then there were timed events and content exclusivity that exacerbated the problem. It by no means am I insinuating toxicity was exclusive to PC as Xbox and PS4 had their share, but given how the console versions were locked to quick chat. Players are more prone to just try to clear the quest at the very least. PC players feels like they're more toxic as they do not have limiting factors (like being able to hack the game), and a more feasible accessibility to typing in chat.
The success of World and IB set a precedent for when Rise was announced. There was an already growing playerbase, and now that switch users were being welcomed into the MH community, this also brought even more PC users as players would know a PC release is to be announced.
PC users probably make up the largest portion of players especially in Rise because of how popular/marketed it was to old/current/new players of the franchise and probably the most vocal too.
As someone who has played since the very first game, I would say that the small propensity towards what people would call toxic behavior has always existed, but outside of the split in the original games community on the subject of headlocking, I really can't recall any real heavy shitty behavior from most people, granted there were only around 3- maaaaybe 5k total people total in the original online, and we were all sorta dumb dumbs so maybe the room for the sort of stuff that exists around the series now just didn't exist when the series was brand now. It's funny because past the original PS2 game I only ever really played with friends because the series went mobile for so long, and now I don't really play with Randoms that often so I can't really speak to the shift in the community from then to now very well. I do definetly recall some really basic "you suck and you don't know how to play because X,Y,Z" type stuff back in the day, but nothing that isn't present in ANY online community to SOME extent.
Me and my friends are EXTREMELY toxic to eachother though.....if that counts....
Saying that nothing will change is ridiculous. I do not kick anyone for Lost Code, but I understand it. If Monster Hunter bleeds it's playerbase because of the existence of paid dlc layered weapons, then Capcom will reconsider. They are a company that values profit. So making people unhappy and quitting the game kills their profits. It is a logically sound, yet brutal tactic.
I have been playing since MH 3U... and the worst I remember was in MH 4U getting kicked by lobbies all the time because I was using a sleep great sword set... I know it wasn't meta at all but I always had alot of fun using that set with my friends. I would forget to change out of it when going online with randoms so I ended up always getting kicked.
Back when I first started monster hunter with MHW I didn't have iceborn, and was trying to get the kushala weapons, but I kept getting carted and ruining it. But the people I played with in the discord server where so kind about it, and understood. One of them even paid for the dlc so I could get better gear
Wow. Did you end up gitting gud?
@@t0q14s9 yes.
I honestly love monster hunter because of how much passion there is in the franchise from the devs and community
Even as a solo mainly player i can still see the toxic part that sucks up the passion from this great franchise
Godspeed hunter
Any of us who's been playing games for a while should be quite aware of what has happened to video games with all these predatory microtransactions and other bullshit everywhere, so ever since World and it's countless pointless small DLC I have been fearing for the future of this series. When I heard about the DLC weapons I of course immediately realised we were once again a step closer to the possible microtransaction hell future for the series. I don't think they've gone too far yet, but they might go too far the next time.
I really wish I wouldn't have to think about this but fucking modern gaming man.
Broooooooo.... right in my hunter feels, yo
If ya don't join Twitter you'll be fine lol
The surprising thing about that, is that a good majority of the monster hunter Twitter community is far less volatile and rude than other platforms. Sure there’s some bad apples, but generally it’s more welcoming, which is again surprising since it’s Twitter.
Youre fine as well if you don't join twitch.
I'm new to the game, I noticed I get kicked from sos missions simply for running a wide range 5. Most of these sessions the other players die faster than I can heal them. I always play dps/ offhand healer, sucks some people can't appreciate team players.
Bro, you are what we call valuable. Those who kicked you out jus cuz you are a team player are stupid as hell. People need team player like you a lot I'm telling you.
I like your way of thinking. Subscribed 👍
Thank you!
I got curious about the DLC a while back and had to find out that you can spend more than double Rise's original price on it purely with the packs for it. That was before Lost Code and DLC Pack 7. Sure, you don't HAVE TO buy all of it, but the fact that you can dump that much money after the buying the game in the span of not even 1.5 years? Yeah, that is a problem. But that's a much bigger discussion to be had. And while the packs are genuinely good deals, I really question the price of the individual items. Just the "Fall" Layered Armor (including Buddies) clocks in at just under half of DLC Pack 7. But again, greater discussion. Only hopes are the surveys and voting with our wallets by not buying. Until then, don't kick people who do buy them.
Just to add something here
I dont know how much money this game costs on other countries,but from where I live mh rise + mhr sunbreak costs 100 hours of minimal wage, so yeah
@@extremehu3_189 here in PH it costs around 90$ which is 50% of the minimum wage of most people here.
I'm more pissed off at hunters thinking this is a viable solution. I'm going solo and creating my own lobby, anyone can join me I will welcome anyone REGARDLESS. Lastly speaking to the bullies of the DLC-er please do better because people will remember your actions and you will need help one day.
Side Note: I've haven't purchased any of the layered weapons, and I refuse to support bullying. I'm making this comment to show that I love this game and the commitment from the hunter's overall, and to give my 2 cents.
Everyone please be safe and enjoy what you "paid for".
It's really not bullying, the lobby owner has all the rights to kick whoever he/she wants, they also paid for the game.
@@Benri05I can understand that, but the mentality I'm trying to explain will get the best of them. People will start to avoid others more and the community will start to be as bad as COD, OW etc. Truthfully speaking I would never want to be in another lobby with that person or people all because of hate of layered weapons or because of what they paid for too, till then I'm doing my thing without the hate. But I do thank you for your 2cents on it too.
I started playing mh properly with mhxx on 3ds(cross play+english patch)..in my 2k hours I never ran into many toxic players(maybe a handful,heck maybe less than 5,tbh i cant even call them toxic)..the only people i ran into are people just trolling a little bit(u know like preventing you from carving) but they do that for like 1 hunt max. Other than this,I ran into a few players that camp at base(mostly on ex hunts) or cart once then abandon quest(this does not bother me at all),generally this community is very relaxed and welcoming and I think it has to do with this series being co-op instead of pvp.
Anyways I went on and played mhgen and 4u and had a similar experience(almost all players were welcoming)
I played world/ib solo so I have no idea about this community.
The only thing why iam kinda upset about the DLC Weapons is… that I miss a fitting armor with the same style. Iam a Fashion Hunter… and those Weapons look awesome. I would love to see a Lost Code Armor as a paid DLC.
I really like the CoOp Aspect of Monster Hunter and the only which is annoying is a long sword player who is aiming for the head constantly and interrupts all other players in the session. It’s already this far that I don’t play online without the anti-Longsword Skill anymore (so that you can’t trip…)
so paying full price for a port over a year later wasn't warning enough? expect more milk from the utter at this point
I might not buy portable MH day one from now on, it seems like the portable is their place for testing out weird decisions then suddenly backpedal if it's trash (rampages for example).
If you think kicking people for using paid layered weapons is the peak of toxicity of this community you certainly haven't been on some specific channels of some big MH servers out there.
Fr. Kicking people out because of builds, spamming ineffective weapons, using ineffective weapons, or friendly fire (bombs) is what I expected to see when I saw toxicity. Transmog is like… what.
As long as they don't give the weapons the 'World' treatment the DLC stuff doesn't bother me as long as they are cosmetic.
Though I'm a solo player, others just get in the way usually anyways, but that's just me.
I have experienced a certain degree of toxicity to some extent when going back to MH4U online a few years back (around 2019-2020).
When grinding for LVL 140 Guild Quests, people would often kick me out of lobbies for not using Bowgun or GS. I tackled the endgame with a Swaxe build which was very good, and had a decent performance, doing good damage and not dying often, but to some, that wasn't enough. You had to use the speedrun mixed sets that everyone stole from each other, otherwise you weren't reliable.
Yeah I didn't see the toxic side to the community until all this started to be brought up in videos. Think in my 400+ hours of play have only run into one openly toxic person. Good video, hopefully the people who do this will get bored and move on like most trolls do.
Same, almost all just in random groups also.
If this was For an example Final Fantasy, people would deny that there is any toxicty at all, but then again we got people like you that are saying facts and saying how it is, and for that I respect you.
True, for as much as I love XIV there's quite the "toxic positivity" attitude there
Although it makes terrible terrible monetary and sometimes practical sense for them to do it the way they did, I think the most egregious thing Capcom did with this layered weapon set and indeed all their available layered armor even was separate the individual pieces/weapons for purchase, ie if you want the entire Swallow set you need to buy the boots, coil, chest, etc and if you want the entire new layered weapon set...well, that's 14 different items that add up quickly now doesn't it.
It makes more sense if you only need a few pieces of a given layered armor set for a look you want, or only really play a few weapons ergo don't need all the others of course, but it's still semi-scummy.
All that said, haven't had this described problem on the basis of having not played Rise/Sunbreak in awhile. Or buying into the layered weapons. They weren't really my cup of tea.
I'm an monster hunter player for over 10 years now , not consistent trough all the years but since mh gen much more even if i started with mhfu.
I played mostly solo but I never experienced hate in the community until world. I don't say it started with world but it became more common with it for sure. Just let ppl enjoy the game how they want if they don't troll or insult.
I understand the hate/criticism against the buyable layered weapon dlc because a lot of ppl fear that the next step could be buyable weapons with stats or armor with stats and unique skills. We all know that companies are not our friends they are salesman's who try to find ways to make more money. I'm not against that in general but I think they shouldn't go that direction or they could if they go along that route ruin theyr trust with the community.
Im from the hispanic community and its a thing that scares other players, i've played with some people and all of them talk about the toxicity of some people on the other communities and how ours is in danger of getting to that point, i have never seen someone get shit for their build or weapons so its alarming
That's an incredible number of kicks... it's hard to believe it's all because of the dlc. Maybe his connection was finicky and he dropped repeatedly? Unless he got direct messages saying he'd be kicked for the dlc I'd lean towards an alternate explanation. Some days I've dropped with friends repeatedly for unknown reasons.
Nope, I bought the DLC and got kicked in every single lobby I went to. Took them off, then was welcomed with open arms. The community is unhinged about this whole ordeal.
Currently there is no difference between getting kicked or connection dropping messages
@@SadMoribund It's really hard to believe nearly 100% of the community would kick for this. I certainly believe some people would but not anywhere near 100% or even 50%.
Or he saw another UA-camrs video about it and decided to manufacture outrage for clout? This "issue" didn't even exist until people started making sensationalist videos about it.
@@SadMoribund I can understand those people's frustration, imagine having a franchise so pure that it didn't need mtx for literal decades then suddenly people are supporting the sudden change, this outrage won't go away easily.
This feels like the equivalent of shooting the messenger. Like, that player didn't make those layered weapon skins and put them up as paid dlc, so why attack them as if they were behind the whole thing?
Have I had to deal with toxic team mates? Not really. Have I been a bit unpleasant when I'm trying a hunt for the 10th time because people cannot understand that the espinas nuke will one shot you, after I tell them, and they still ignore it? Maybe.
Just like how people can choose to buy DLC, people can also choose not to play people who have DLC. Toxic, maybe. But definitely still fair
Not fair. Most people don’t even know it’s wrong. From mobile games they think it’s normal practice. So it’s far from fair. A person gets kicked seemingly without a reason, won’t be explained even why, cannot rectify that reason.. in what universe is that fair?! It’s like slapping a person on a bus for wearing a shirt you don’t like. Trust me, if they knew they’d get beaten for it then they would have a choice.
This here is just bullying, whatever excuse you tell yourself.
my problem with those weapons is that the kind of effort that went into those weapons should have been put onto new monsters or small monsters because sunbreak is an amazing game when we talk about the effort to make fun weapons but in the content department was short none the less on the count of less monsters
Could you say that there was a lack of quality in the title update?
At this point it’s pointless for a small monster to come back. Also making New monsters Is way A LOT more time inducing than making weapons.
one of the toxic community I joined was in discord (I won't tell the name or I may be targeted like Genshin keyboard warriors who always fought me every time I complained about that game). One guy complained the shooter control scheme in World because he said he felt like playing Call of Duty (LT for aim and RT for shoot is like a standard control for any shooter games ever!), or how I got a warning for sh!tposting (yeah, they prohibited sh!tposting, but that's the first time I heard any discord took it seriously. Plus, I did that just for fun with no malice), or someone got banned for just asking question.
Heck, you can find some elitists in the comment section in many MH videos. All they did was just sh!t on anyone who haven't experienced the pain of playing 1st or 2nd gen MH, or just flat out complaining anything involved 5th gens. Yes, I get it, the veteran's "support" and Ryozo's never-ending efforts are the reason the franchise is still going strong to this day, but do you forget newbies also help World and Rise to sell over 10 million units for each entries?
This is coming from the guy who played MH3U as the first MH game ever, and bear in mind, Capcom shut down 3rd gen and older online services, so you're gonna force those newbies to solo all those pain and suffering, you masochist elitists? And also, can I make anti-Rajang set instead of pure offensive set? I'm not playing for meta!
Okay, gonna go buy that layered weapon now because that looks sick.
Oh boy he has layered weapon lets kick, except this doesnt solve anything. The person who you kicked already bought the weapon skin and probably isnt going to refund it if its even refundable (may not do to whatever store reasons). Not letting a player play the game they bought is probably the most toxic thing you can do just for them getting a paid cosmetic. Paid cosmetics are not good long term but thats for people and their wallets to decide, not you for them. If they wanna blow money thats on them.
Nobody's stopping them playing the game, they're just removing them from their own personal experience. Plenty of other lobbies available, but as the Host of my lobby I reserve the right to boot anybody for any reason. I shouldn't have to spend my time playing with people that support poor business practices if I don't want to.
@@j.jbinks9669 You must be pleasant in real life, too.
Imagine you walk in a room and start eating chocolate. I’ll kick you out of the room. It’s because you support shady business which involves most child slavery on the planet. You won’t know the reason though, nobody will tell you.
You’re calling such behaviour fine?
The thing is tho, Capcom is the one in the wrong for pushing the dlc to what it got but the players aren't innocent either.
Without people buying and enabling this practice, capcom wouldn't insist into pushing this type of thing, same thing as it was in wow as you mentioned. Just hope that capcom doens't do a blizzard move and think removing the ban option will be the solution for this problem that they themselves created. I haven't played sunbreak in a while, but if this "bullying drama" is enough to tell capcom that this isn't ok and put the breakers on it before it goes even further with dlc monsters and whatnot in the next entrie, i don't see a problem with it. In the end of the day you are entitled to ban anyone you don't want being part of your lobby for any reason.
That being said, the community right now is on a phase of copium and white knighting for capcom when it comes to DLC stuff, people doing this are most likely a very angry minority.
Me still just waiting for the next year until there's actual contact. I've done every single hunt waiting for my boi gammoth to enter the scene.
the only thing that im salty about is that i remember watching a video on scraped weapon ideas, and one specifically was super cool to me, that would be a giant boomerang and fists. as far as i know there have not been really any new weapons for quite some time
"Giant boomerang", "Fists"... Sounds like Magnet Spike and Tonfa respectively to be honest... In terms of shape and function.
Christ. I am a league of legends survivor. Y’all don’t know the meaning of toxicity.
If you want to support capcom’s shit dlc decisions and people kick you for actively supporting the downfall of the game, you can still play the game by yourself. It’s really not a big deal.
Classic internet behaviour. Holding an extremely minor gripe about a person you don't know & then defining them by it, disregarding the fact there is actually a real & complex human being on the other end. DLC issues aside, regardless of stance - they're taking issue with the wrong people.
This kind of toxicity is like road rage - I've learned it's inherent to the internet & will never go away sadly. Hopefully more steps are taken to limit it in future.
I've only ever had 1 bad experience in mh and that was in world I started a hunt for an tempered black diablos and 3 randoms joined. An ls, cb and a fellow Sns the other sns guy was pretty new so ended up carting once but the ls guy carted twice ending the quest. The thing is the ls guy was mad cuz apparently he was doing the most damage he typed in chat that he did 70% of the hunt when all he did was interrupt us when trying to KO the diablos and just ignored the tail. Ls guy would shoot stones at the cb and me for guarding against the diablos and it would waste a lot of the stamina leading us to retreat to gain more stamina and he ended up trying to fight the diablos alone and ended up carting twice. At the end he blamed the other sns guy for being noob. Honestly I just started the quest for fun and I invited the other 2 for some more hunts and we enjoyed a few more hunts until we were having trouble with a nergigante investigation so we used the sos and he appeared again and just did the same stuff and we ended up almost failing the quest
I've dealt with toxic players since the 3DS era. I remember one time in Generations when another player insisted I change weapons and equip a different talisman even though I was using a full Deviant set (had a set amount of skills and no gem slots) and had not spent hours "coal-mining" for talismans. Pretty sure I was the only one that didn't cart in the following quest.
Other examples of toxicity I encountered included people flashbombing and setting traps to interrupt monster mounts. That happened as late as World.
I also had a friend that was kicked from several rooms when wearing Seregios' armor in 4 Ultimate. Apparently that was a frequent thing too because the elitist side of the community considered it a "noob trap" armor.
Oh, and let's not forget in Generations when players were setting up rooms that prohibited using specific Hunting Styles.
I also once had a good friend (we aren't any longer) who promoted gatekeeping practices.
Overall my experience has been positive, because I generally only play with a small handful of friends I know in real life, and I don't browse forums or anything. But those times where the toxicity bled through the cracks really stick out.