You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 man made protestant CULTS that serve Satan. And you have the orthodox CULTS. ONLY Jesus can found a Church which he did two thousand year’s ago called the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which is also his mystical body on earth. There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH the holy Catholic Church.
@@matium1528are you so afraid of NOT swearing that you have to use foul language. It’s shows how ignorant and lazy you are! Any brainless moron can swear. And I’m not at all interested in getting an immature response from you.
@@Ian-nl9yd Wanna bet they have more? I suggest you do your research because there are plenty of differences. I will name some from a very large number of differences: Pope supremacy, Purgatory, Infallibility of the Pope, Immaculate Conception of Mary, Mass veneration vs Liturgy consumption, Filioque, created grace vs uncreated grace, catholic evolving dogma vs orthodox tradition etc. My friend,they are not even close
In a world where Christ is so often forgotten and Christians seem to be so distant from one another, it's about time we're able to come together as one people under Christ again. Jesus suffered and died for all our Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant brothers and sisters. ✝️❤️☦️
@@kennethmatibag4358 You love the faith that commands the destruction of those who don’t being in allah and his messenger, abolishes adoption, encourages the marriage of minors and 9 year old, commands the beating and disciplining of wives, teaches the taking married concubines and enslave them, commands the ending the lives of apostates, and teaches world subjugation. Go read the hadiths and tafseers and watch Sam shamoun. Unfortunately, so called reverts gets deceived easily by the sugar coating of the dawah people and are to lazy to study the islamic sources and hadiths.
Former Roman Catholic here, converted to Eastern Orthodoxy in my 20s. For anyone genuinely interested in this matter, Fr. Thomas Hopko created a podcast episode before his repose entitled something like "What does Rome need to do?", which you can find easily with a quick search. He provides excellent explanations and represents the attitude of the ecumenical movement within the Eastern Orthodox Church fairly well. Highly recommended, at least as a place to start. Regardless of your beliefs and convictions, Merry Christmas to you all. Christ is born!
@@tony1685 what do you know of either of these churches? Did you come from one of these backgrounds? Did you study church history? What is your qualifications to make such a bold statement?
@@richardstanley7661 i was catholic 35 yrs and dabbled in multiple denominations. i did study church history and finally Scripture. would you like to see my understanding from God's Word or does that not matter? as for my 'qualifications' -- i am a baptized, believer who has repented: Acts 2:38, 8:37 since i meet those qualifications, i received the Holy Spirit as promised: Acts 5:32, John 14:26, John 16:13 and very importantly, my posts do not disagree with God's Word, which is Truth -- John 17:17
New convert to the Church here from Eastern Orthodoxy. You must understand that Eastern Orthodoxy is not one single entity. There are unfortunately some extremely obstinate people on the Orthodox side which will hardly listen to reason and a lot of new converts to EO who are almost radicalized to abhor the West. Rome will not be affected but there's always the risk of more schisms within Orthodoxy due to anti-intellectualism and suspicion. Rome is doing what it can with love and caution.
I completely agree. I was in ROCOR. Never experienced so much anti-Catholicism and a phobia of anything Latin or western. I really don’t get it. Have these people even read the acts of the 7 ecumenical councils?
The RCC is also not “one single entity.” I am assuming you did a lot of research before leaving the EO Church to join the RC church. You should be honest and admit the RCC is also not “one single entity.” Just because everyone submits to the papacy does not make them united. Take the forced conversion of the Uniate churches for example. I could list out everything for you, but instead I pray you would do the research as well. May Christ be glorified in our efforts. Peace and blessings.
As an Orthodox I can say Rome has a lot to change before we can consider us the same faith and renounce its heresies and uphold the orthodox view point that was shared before 1054; 3:30 The decision in short term and explanation is that we did not want to distance ourselves from you, our priesthood through Synods decided that that s the best course of action. The chosing of Easter date is based on ancient calculations. Orthodox Easter takes place between April 4 and May 8, following the first full moon after Passover. Orthodox Easter always falls after the Jewish celebration of Passover, because, according to the New Testament, the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ took place after he entered Jerusalem to celebrate Passover simple as that; 4:03 is kinda wrong. The Fixed Authority would be the Ecumenical Patriarch as the Primus Inter Pares (First amongst Equals); The Orthodox Church is descentralized and organized into Patriarchates and for Example each country that is Orthodox depending on the juristiction and recognition by the Ecumenical Council worldwide are legitimate Patriarchates like: Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. Each church are called after their country's cultural name as the Patriarchate of Romania (Patriarch = same title as the Pope same rank same rank as teh Ecumenical Patriarch) which has it's own structure and bishops with an Apostolic Succession all given in the past autochepaly if I m not mistaken. All of these churches are one and the same faith not multiple split. And as tradition holds at many ecumenical councils everyone has to agree if its a matter of important dogmatic view. That s how council works as it worked at Nicaea, Chalcedon etc etc. It is not difficult for us to change unless it is considered wrong to do so simple as that. One thing I might add it is also an issue regarding the Papal Infailibility as well specially at their councils right? You guys say when the Pope speaks from the chair of Peter he's given authority above any other bishops to make dogmatic changed making him right in any matters right? Binding the whole church when he issues decrees and that God preserves him from ,,any dogmatic errors". In contrast the Orthodox Church in its whole says that matters of faith can only be settled in a conciliar manner in Synods and Ecumenical Councils; The west has to renounce the Filioque and Supremacy of the Pope then we got a dialogue for the Pope to take its place back slowly in the Pentarchy :)
@@arthegor THE Catholic Church is not the same as 1054. We will never accept a Church with pagan Pacha Mama, guitar playing Masses, sittingbpews. COMMUNION IN HANDS, NOT PROSTRATIONS, NO FASTING,...
You're incorrect, speaking from the chair of Peter is something constricted by the truths already set down & forming the deposit of faith. Any authority cannot contradict or overrule Biblical revelation. Your claims of heretics are quite extreme and in the minority. The filioque was accepted by many in the Orthodox church up until and for along time after the "schism" just as it stood & the Western church is very flexible about the understanding of what is actually meant. It's far from an unresolvable & heretical teaching. There's far more room for reconciliation and to develope o mutual understanding & dogmatic teaching on the subject. To be blunt it seems that there are political stances taken by some in order to maintain or advance their own position & they simply don't want a reproachment of the divisions in Christ's Church.
While we bicker, Satan and his religions Islam and Wokeism laughs. See, they march hand in hand on our streets, celebrating our weakness, mocking God. I'd gladly give my earthly life in agony just to see all Christians stay united before our Lord, as the Apostle Paul instructed.
What this video fails to mention is that it’s not just an issue of the Julian calendar for the Eastern Orthodox. It’s an issue of how both churches decided the date for Easter/Pascha would be calculated at the ecumenical council, but which the Catholic west later abandoned. The Orthodox will always submit to this original decision. It is not up for debate.
Both churches follow the council's guidelines, the difference comes because the Julian Calendar used at the time drifted almost a day every a hundred years, in the Catholic Church that was adjusted by the Gregorian Calendar, but this change didn't happen in the East, as the schism was already there.
Eventually you are going to have to do something, i.e scrap the Julian calender. Why? Because it is not so astronomically accurate. The orbits and timing of celestials objects are not something a calender can do, rather a calender should reflect the proper length of a mean solar year. Some attribute an almost theological importance to a calender promulgated by a Roman heathen and call this old heathen calender the 'calender of the Church Fathers' when in fact the church fathers did not have anything to do with the Julian calender. It is a Western calender. If something doesn't work a clever man fixes the problem instead of letting it get worse.
I lean more quartodeciman, myself. Christ died Nisan 14 on the Hebrew Calander on Pesach. Forcing a Sunday celebration just seems arbitrary. Accuracy doesn't seem to have been the goal of 1st Nicaea.
@@locksmith9498Agreed. This issue of Julian v. Gregorian v. Revised Julian came about because we decided to abandon the Torah's lunisolar calendar. Solar calendars will eventually be offset from the minutely approximate solar mean year which happens to be just shy of 365.25 days. Frankly the debate is pedantic. Either stick with the Hebrew Calendar, choose the most accurate solar calendar, or invent something that's better than both of them.
The video of Pope Francis greeting an eastern patriarch wasn’t an Eastern Orthodox patriarch but a non-Chalcedonian Syriac patriarch. Or else a Syriac Catholic. Poor editing. 😊
That would be an Honor for me and I'm not just talking about myself. Come together, you children of God, spread togetherness and love among each other ✝️🙏🏽☦️
@@andrewa6786 why won't you acknowledge the truth? if was a French cardinal that excommunicated a patriarch when the pope was dead during that time. This was unjustified. you all keep saying they left the church. you all made them leave.
The video contains a number of inaccuracies. First, the date of Pascha (Easter) coincides on the two calendars every few years -- the last time was 2017. Second, the video shows Coptic clergy meeting the Pope (distinguished by their headgear), who are considered schismatic by both Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Third, even if the Pope agrees something with the Patriarch of Constantinople, he is a ceremonial head only; has no authority to enforce it outside Istanbul (to the approx. 2000 Greeks left in Turkey) and parts of Greece. Anything Constantinople agrees to will be bound to be rejected by Moscow given the relations between then, and Moscow alone represents half the world's Orthodox.
It’s time that our separated brethren of the Holy Roman Church are received back into the fold of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church. All Christians must unite into the Ancient Universal Church of Christ. Let us together end the Schism in 2054.
Reverting to the Julian Calendar would be foolish, as the Gregorian Calendar was created to address this very problem, of Easter drifting out of alignment with Spring. It is the most accurate calendar ever devised and the one that the whole secular world currently uses. The Churches should either align to this, or else the fixed date option (which is in effect the same, as our dating system is Gregorian). Not because of which church invented it, but simply its scientific accuracy.
John 17:22-23 22 The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
@@mauijttewaalthat is fine. The Resurrection is celebrated every Sunday. The Pasch, literally the Passover, or what English speakers know as Easter, is the fulfillment of the Passover Feast. That is on the 14th of Nisan… as the early Christians kept it.
I think we should all love each other, but Rome would have to become orthodox again to unite the East and West. That is a VERY tall order. Lord have mercy.
St. Paul said it himself: “Has Christ been divided?” This is a rhetorical question. It is impossible to divide Christ. The Church is not divided. People have only separated themselves from the Church. When you compare the RCC and EOC, it is clear they are two different religions. They are diametrically opposed. Before you respond with hate, disrespect, and a lack of grace, do the research for yourself.
@@josephjacob3274 The Church is the body of Christ united in faith, there are no two threads of the same cloth you monkey since one believe in Filioque and the other don't. One believe in Fatima and the other believe in the Theotokos that said in 1274 that the Catholics are the enemy of Christ. One believe in the Pope as being the head of the church while the other believe the head is only Christ. And i can go with the opposing differences all day long! Get your head out of your ass buddy, there is no such thing as RCC and EOC being two whatever of the same thing since they have opposing faiths. Two different religions, RCC is pagan and EOC is christian. Only EOC is christian,the rest are bullshit christian wannabes, heretics in a nutshell. Oh and one last factual thing: The 7 Churches of the Apocalypse were under communion and jurisdiction of the Patriarchy of Constantinople, some got smaller in time and some bigger(metropolis) for example Sardis was part of the metropolis of Philadelphia! They ended in 1923 when they migrated in Greece due to the Greek-Turk war, and their titles are now held in the Greek Orthodox Church. They were part of the EOC(who's full name is Orthodox Catholic Church) from start to finish! We are already orthodox catholic so who needs Roman-Catholic bull crap dogma? So you either do your research or stop regurgitating imbecility held by the true fake church
@@josephjacob3274 faith is not the same as religion. Both RCC and EOC are Jesus' belivers, but the "rituals", traditions and a lot of views on some minor things are opposing each other, that's why the oc said they are different religions.
@user-2kj2k you can be a different sect, but religion follows a certain deity. Many Christians follow jesus, but belong to different sects based on teachings.
I am not sure why it is important to celebrate Easter in the Spring. In the Southern Hemisphere it is celebrated in the Autumn because of the reversal of seasons.
Probably both the East & the West should adopt a 21st century update of the Revised Julian Calendar; the only update needed is to correct for the 2 second offset per year (compare with Gregorian's 23 second, and Julian's 11 minute) so that we can get even more precisely accurate: pehaps 0.0001 second offset? Afterall, the goal of a solar calendar is precision of accuracy compared to the solar mean year & nothing else. Placing religious significance on a calendar is cringe. We just need to update how leap years are calculated and the universal problem will be solved.
Divination and Divisions are not one in the same yet lead to possible turpitude and other formalities of sin. Caution with your personal relationship to the body of Christ in human likeness for self and neighbor. 🎉❤
Revelation 5,5 And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals." Merry and blessed Christmas to all who have believed in the Word 🤍. John 1:14 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Though the differences here depicted are important the clip fails to address the Filioque as Catholics hold to as well as the Primacy of the Papacy, which Orthodox refute. These 2 doctrinal issues need to be addressed. I am very happy however that as a Catholic, our brothers of the Eastern Orthodox are meeting together and coming closer because this is what Christ asked us to do. Division is not good. Maybe once united we can bring the lost Protestant world back home too.
Probably pope has already decided to adopt the Orthodox-Julian Calendar. He will face however pressure not to adopt it by political figures who may do not want to to alter national holidays etc.
The fixed date variant doesn't solve the problem, as you would still have to agree on how to calculate that date. Also, that was done away with by the Church fathers.
This piece is DREADFULLY inaccurate on several fronts. The Ecumenical Patriarch did NOT excommunicate the Pope of Rome in 1054 (who was actually deceased for several months at the time) but the papal delegation who, on its part, most likely did not have the authority of a plenipotentiary allowing him to first excommunicate the EP. Furthermore, it must be noted that this did not apply to the "Greek" Patriarchattes of Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem who remained in communion with Rome at least until the 4th Crusade in 1204. As far as the current difference between the Easter dates between nearly all of Orthodoxy (and the Byzantine churches in communion with Rome in parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East) it had NOTHING to due withthe events of 1054, but rather updated equinoxes and lunar cycles of the Gregorian Calendar reform in the the 16th century, which were not observed in most of the Christian East.
I love Catholics so much but I need you to understand that when we changed the date of Christmas it created a schism. Changing the date of easter will do the same thing. I know this is ridiculous but Many orthodox bishops and priests are far too zealous about the wrong things.
Nobody changed the date of Christmas. Orthodox celebrate on Dec 25th. According to the Julian Calendar when they celebrate Christmas, it is Dec 25th. When the Julian Calendar reads Dec 25th, it's Jan 7th on the Gregorian Calendar. The calendar was changed so that the date for pascha would be calculated more accurately according to the same principles established by the time of the Council of Nicea. The Orthodox never updated their calendars, and so their pascha is often on the Sunday after the 2nd full moon after the spring equinox, or on a sunday after a "predicted" full moon, but not a real one.
You speak only according to the letter of the law. The spirit of the law is found in the old calendar. Only an ecumenical council could change the calendar, because it was an ecumenical council which established the Canon. The spirit of which was so all the brethren might celebrate the Feasts of our Salvation (Easter and Christmas) TOGETHER. The Irish almost went into schism trying to retain what they had since St. Patrick, however, celebrating with the rest of their brothers was more important. If you agree with the change, and the resulting disunity in celebration, it is in fact YOU who are in violation of the spirit of the law.
Orthodox used Gregorian calendar before: from 1584 to 1587 Looks like a change didn’t last long. Also a misrepresented fact about Julian calendar to shift away is false. It’s the FIRST calendar to introduce leap years and throughout 2070 years of using Julian calendar we didn’t lose 500 days and didn’t messed up summer with winter
What is going on here? The Orthodox did not use the Gregorian calendar between 1584 and 1587. In fact the Orthodox condemned the calendar at synods in this time period (1583 and 1587). What am I missing? Or are they just lying?
We celebrate on the same date every few years. We Orthodox are on a rotating calendar date for Pascha (Easter), and always have been, and Rome used to be on the same system until they changed it. This is sensationalism and clickbait and is not appreciated.
I mean its their only hope as P Bartholomew has quite done what perhaps Vigano and others have it seems. Breaking away and originating their own new church not under authority of any other valid canonical leadership?🤷♀️please explain how this works
Even though they really don't have similar doctrthe catholic auto docs, they do not believe that the Pope is. From peter. They believed jesus christ is the head of the church not the pope. And the priests are allowed to marry in the catholic church they're not
@Russ1875 Why? Where do you think Easter's roots lay? What harm would this do? You do realize Jesus is Jewish and instituted the Eucharist in the context of the Passover feast?
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Source, quotation? I have read carefully about half of the Ecumenical Councils and have never seen anything remotely prohibiting this?
@TheCatholicSamurai Than read again. It is even forbidden to visit a Synagoge, to celebrate any feast with the jews. And Orthodox Pascha NEVER IS ALLOWED TO BE CELEBRATED THE SAME TIME JEWS CELEBRATE THE PESSACH
This is not true that the last time was 1054. Easter Dates coincide periodically. I don't get why this is being made a big deal. As long as the Catholics return to the practice of the first millenium, that's fine.
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Humanity was exiled from Eden, and the world was subjected to corruption, decay, and the perversion of God's original plan. Satan’s role since his fall has been to accuse, deceive, and manipulate, reflecting the collective sinfulness of humanity. He is the embodiment of what we should not aspire to: rebellion, pride, and the misuse of God’s gifts. Yet, Satan remains bound by God’s sovereignty; even his actions are ultimately used to fulfill God’s purposes. His fall serves as a warning of what happens when creation seeks to elevate itself above the Creator. Occult practices, in their many forms, are rooted in this same rebellion. They represent humanity's ongoing attempt to harness divine power without submitting to God. Those who engage in these practices seek control-over nature, others, or their own destiny-by bypassing God’s authority. But this pursuit is futile and destructive. It enslaves both the practitioner and those they seek to dominate. Just as Satan is bound to the consequences of his rebellion, so too are those who turn to dark forces in the hope of avoiding accountability. The occult thrives on deception. It promises power, protection, or enlightenment but delivers only chaos, confusion, and spiritual bondage. It perverts creation, distorting the natural order and exploiting humanity’s vulnerabilities. For example, the climate of our minds, our communities, and even the natural world can be manipulated by those who use occult practices to impose conformity and submission. Symbols like the weather vane (szélkakas), once used to guide and orient, can become instruments of control when co-opted by dark forces. This reflects a broader agenda: to replace individual faith and free will with fear and compliance to a system that denies God’s sovereignty. In this way, occultism mirrors the original lie in Eden: the promise of divine power without submission to God. Those who practice it often attempt to escape personal accountability or manipulate others to align with their plans. This can even occur within families or communities, as individuals misuse spiritual or psychological practices to control and oppress. For example, in some households, occult practices are used not out of devotion to God but as a means to avoid the consequences of sin or to gain an advantage over others. Such actions do not lead to freedom or salvation but to deeper spiritual bondage. Satan, as a reflection of collective sin, serves as a reminder of the consequences of rebellion. He does not possess ultimate power, and neither do those who seek to channel dark forces. No occult practice, no matter how sophisticated or ancient, can stand before the judgment of God. Those who engage in such practices may gain temporary influence, but they will ultimately face the truth: “It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). Yet, there is hope. The Bible is not a manual for condemnation or exclusion but a roadmap for redemption. Many avoid reading Scripture because they see it as outdated, irrelevant, or even "difficult" or "uncool." In some cultures, it is dismissed as unnecessary, and in some families, occult practices are preferred because they appear to offer immediate results. But the Bible’s message is timeless and universal. It reveals the heart of God, who calls each of us by name, not by our sins. Jesus Christ came to restore what was broken by sin and rebellion. His life, death, and resurrection offer a way back to God’s original plan. Through Him, we are freed from the lies of Satan and the chains of the occult. He invites us to walk in the light, not in fear or bondage but in freedom and truth. As Jesus said, "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32). We must resist the temptation to use spiritual power for personal gain or control over others. Instead, we are called to reflect God’s love, justice, and mercy. The Bible teaches that no one is above or below another in God’s kingdom; we are all equal in worth and dignity. Any system-whether occult or secular-that seeks to dominate or dehumanize others is a perversion of God’s design. Ultimately, our hope lies not in our own strength or in the deceptive promises of the occult but in God’s unchanging truth. By submitting to Him, we find the freedom and purpose we were created for. The Bible invites us to leave behind the darkness of rebellion and walk in the light of God’s love. It is not a book of judgment but a story of redemption, offering a path to restore our relationship with the Creator and live as He intended: in harmony with Him and with one another.
Man, seriously, who cares about dates of celebration? Let it in month A or month B, but do you think Jesus would care more about such a thing compared to how much he would care about us being united? He PRAYED for us to be as one. This takes priority: John 17:20-23 "I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me..." I dont care if it's one date or another. These are details. We are gonna celebrate Christ anyway. But we are being called to unite. Any Church firmly defending their position rather than being the first willing to adapt to the other is the fartest from God. And whatever Church willing to concede their calendar is the closest to God.
X-MAS AND EASTER ARE MAN MADE TIMES AND DAYS BUT SABBATH STILL REMAINS AS THE 7TH DAY 0F WORSHIP......JESUS CHRIST......BE CAREFULL WITH PAGAN....AND PAPAL BELIEFS.
Why should they celebrate together, why would the true Orthodox church of Christ, which has remained in the apostolic faith for more than 2 thousand years, celebrate something with heretics who have fallen away from it and who accept everything that is modern and reject the tradition of their existence. never into ecumenism, never into a lie, no matter how tempting it may be
@@hanmirz4803 at which Ecumenical Council was this decided? I'll answer for you- it wasn't decided at an Ecumenical Council. it was arrogated unto himself by a succession of Bishops of Rome under the influence of Frankish potentates. Papal primacy is a heresy.
@BaikalTii the primacy of the seat of Saint Peter was firmly established even in the scripture. When Saint Paul had to consult him. Yes he disagreed first but then he still met Saint Peter to get the approval. The current pope is number 266th, after Saint Peter. As for ecunumecal council, I mean really? All councils affirmed the primacy of Seat of Saint Peter.
@BaikalTii , nah. Early Church fathers accepted both by Catholics and Orthodox affirmed so. The problem is, you don't have the magisterium to have a final decision on matters. The Catholic Church still stands firm on issues such as abortion, contraception, etc. But Orthodox Church can't agree from diocese to diocese.
Don’t get it mixed up! The Gregorian calendar was developed by the Church for the utmost accurate and reliable Liturgical feast days. It was the world that decided to adopt the Church’s calendar because it was the most accurate and practical calendar ever designed. Gregorian calendar should be the standard for all Christians.
@@dlee43 THE Gregorian CALENDAR is also not accurate AND IT IS A SECULAR CALENDAR. THE JULIAN CALENDAR IS THE CALENDAR OF THE SAINTS, FATHERS AND THE CHURCH.
PLEASE UNIFY!!! I honestly think it Rome removes the filioque (which many Byzantine Catholics still want to do) the Orthodox church *may* bend JUST enough to re-unify.
@@William-JosephParker Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II “We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, proceeding from the Father through the Son” (Profession of Faith [A.D. 787] The Early Church Fathers, both Latin and Greek, recognized the same thing, saying that the Spirit proceeds “from the Father and the Son” or “from the Father through the Son.” These expressions mean the same thing because everything the Son has is from the Father. The proceeding of the Spirit from the Son is something the Son himself received from the Father. The procession of the Spirit is therefore ultimately rooted in the Father but goes through the Son. However, some Eastern Orthodox insist that to equate “through the Son” with “from the Son” is a departure from the true faith. The expression “from the Father through the Son” is accepted by many Eastern Orthodox. This, in fact, led to a reunion of the Eastern Orthodox with the Catholic Church in 1439 at the Council of Florence. Unfortunately, the union did not last. In the 1450s (just decades before the Protestant Reformation), the Eastern Orthodox left the Church again under pressure from the Muslims, who had just conquered them and who insisted they renounce their union with the Western Church (lest Western Christians come to their aid militarily). Today many Eastern Orthodox bishops are putting aside old prejudices and again acknowledging that there need be no separation between the two communions on this issue. Eastern Orthodox Bishop Kallistos Ware (formerly Timothy Ware), who once adamantly opposed the filioque doctrine, states: “The filioque controversy which has separated us for so many centuries is more than a mere technicality, but it is not insoluble. Qualifying the firm position taken when I wrote [my book] The Orthodox Church twenty years ago, I now believe, after further study, that the problem is more in the area of semantics and different emphases than in any basic doctrinal differences” (Diakonia, quoted from Elias Zoghby’s A Voice from the Byzantine East, 43).
Jesus is outside time according to the Bible. Why is Christmas a common feast day and not Easter? A date will not affect my spiritual journey, my spiritual warfare. Jesus must be amused by our human ‘constructions’, not amused by our stubbornness….
Christmas is not celebrated on the same day. It is celebrated on the same date, which also drifts further and further apart each year, but unlike Pascha, will never coincide unless the Orthodox adopt the Gregorian calendar.
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I left the Roman church and became orthodox. I hope the churches one day will unite. But its hard to see. Because of the west becoming more and more liberal. More atheistic. But we welcome more converts to Orthodoxy. Jesus is from the east. So is his church! The west the devil prevailed against the churches with schisms and atheism. But not God’s church in the east. Highest % of church retention in the east!
Much to do about nothing. Too much pride among the Orthodox and the current Pontificate does not engender their confidence either. At least someone got paid for creating the report and some had their hopes buoyed. Focus on what is doable to save souls.
No pope was ever infallible, it only means a pope is protected from teaching error when speaking from the chair on faith and morals. Technically its not even papal infallibility its the infallible teaching being infallible and the patriarch is protected from distorting the infallible teaching
Please God bring us together ☦️❤️
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We need unity for sure. ☦️
The western church needs to find its humility and renounce heresy first
I hope and pray our churches can re-unite. Let's be as one as Christ asked of us.
They can only re-unite in one faith,if not then it's bullshit.
You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 man made protestant CULTS that serve Satan. And you have the orthodox CULTS. ONLY Jesus can found a Church which he did two thousand year’s ago called the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which is also his mystical body on earth. There’s ONLY ONE CHURCH the holy Catholic Church.
@@matium1528are you so afraid of NOT swearing that you have to use foul language. It’s shows how ignorant and lazy you are! Any brainless moron can swear. And I’m not at all interested in getting an immature response from you.
at this point, the only really significant theological difference the two have is over purgatory. the main difference between the two is in structure.
@@Ian-nl9yd Wanna bet they have more? I suggest you do your research because there are plenty of differences. I will name some from a very large number of differences: Pope supremacy, Purgatory, Infallibility of the Pope, Immaculate Conception of Mary, Mass veneration vs Liturgy consumption, Filioque, created grace vs uncreated grace, catholic evolving dogma vs orthodox tradition etc. My friend,they are not even close
In a world where Christ is so often forgotten and Christians seem to be so distant from one another, it's about time we're able to come together as one people under Christ again. Jesus suffered and died for all our Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant brothers and sisters.
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I love Catholics and Orthodoxs so much.🤗🥰😍🙏✝️☦
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Yuck. Filth@@kennethmatibag4358
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You love the faith that commands the destruction of those who don’t being in allah and his messenger, abolishes adoption, encourages the marriage of minors and 9 year old, commands the beating and disciplining of wives, teaches the taking married concubines and enslave them, commands the ending the lives of apostates, and teaches world subjugation.
Go read the hadiths and tafseers and watch Sam shamoun. Unfortunately, so called reverts gets deceived easily by the sugar coating of the dawah people and are to lazy to study the islamic sources and hadiths.
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@kennethmatibag4358 Good luck with that. Read the hadiths.
Former Roman Catholic here, converted to Eastern Orthodoxy in my 20s. For anyone genuinely interested in this matter, Fr. Thomas Hopko created a podcast episode before his repose entitled something like "What does Rome need to do?", which you can find easily with a quick search. He provides excellent explanations and represents the attitude of the ecumenical movement within the Eastern Orthodox Church fairly well. Highly recommended, at least as a place to start. Regardless of your beliefs and convictions, Merry Christmas to you all. Christ is born!
Our Orthodox saints warned us these times.
The video starts off wrong immediately. The last time Catholics and Orthodox celebrated Easter together was 2017.
Together as One Church
@briandelaney9710 There can be no Unification as long as there is the Vatican
@@briandelaney9710 united against God's Word of Truth.
@@tony1685 what do you know of either of these churches? Did you come from one of these backgrounds? Did you study church history? What is your qualifications to make such a bold statement?
@@richardstanley7661 i was catholic 35 yrs and dabbled in multiple denominations. i did study church history and finally Scripture. would you like to see my understanding from God's Word or does that not matter?
as for my 'qualifications' -- i am a baptized, believer who has repented: Acts 2:38, 8:37
since i meet those qualifications, i received the Holy Spirit as promised: Acts 5:32, John 14:26, John 16:13
and very importantly, my posts do not disagree with God's Word, which is Truth -- John 17:17
In Romania, Bulgaria and Greece we already use the gregorian calendar
Awesome.
Yes but not for Easter.
Gay
@@kardzYTNot gay, homiesexual
In Finland also. Also for Easter.
New convert to the Church here from Eastern Orthodoxy. You must understand that Eastern Orthodoxy is not one single entity. There are unfortunately some extremely obstinate people on the Orthodox side which will hardly listen to reason and a lot of new converts to EO who are almost radicalized to abhor the West. Rome will not be affected but there's always the risk of more schisms within Orthodoxy due to anti-intellectualism and suspicion. Rome is doing what it can with love and caution.
You are posting nonsense. You are an apostate
Sitting on pews with jewing gum, clapping hands, O happy, day 😂🤦🤦🤦
I completely agree. I was in ROCOR. Never experienced so much anti-Catholicism and a phobia of anything Latin or western. I really don’t get it. Have these people even read the acts of the 7 ecumenical councils?
You are lost brother eccuminism is a wolf in sheep clothing. You should have never left orthodoxy as your salvation is now at risk
The RCC is also not “one single entity.” I am assuming you did a lot of research before leaving the EO Church to join the RC church. You should be honest and admit the RCC is also not “one single entity.” Just because everyone submits to the papacy does not make them united. Take the forced conversion of the Uniate churches for example. I could list out everything for you, but instead I pray you would do the research as well. May Christ be glorified in our efforts. Peace and blessings.
Some of the images in this video purportedly of Orthodox clergy are not actually of Eastern Orthodox priests.
As an Orthodox I can say Rome has a lot to change before we can consider us the same faith and renounce its heresies and uphold the orthodox view point that was shared before 1054; 3:30 The decision in short term and explanation is that we did not want to distance ourselves from you, our priesthood through Synods decided that that s the best course of action. The chosing of Easter date is based on ancient calculations.
Orthodox Easter takes place between April 4 and May 8, following the first full moon after Passover. Orthodox Easter always falls after the Jewish celebration of Passover, because, according to the New Testament, the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ took place after he entered Jerusalem to celebrate Passover simple as that;
4:03 is kinda wrong. The Fixed Authority would be the Ecumenical Patriarch as the Primus Inter Pares (First amongst Equals); The Orthodox Church is descentralized and organized into Patriarchates and for Example each country that is Orthodox depending on the juristiction and recognition by the Ecumenical Council worldwide are legitimate Patriarchates like: Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. Each church are called after their country's cultural name as the Patriarchate of Romania (Patriarch = same title as the Pope same rank same rank as teh Ecumenical Patriarch) which has it's own structure and bishops with an Apostolic Succession all given in the past autochepaly if I m not mistaken. All of these churches are one and the same faith not multiple split. And as tradition holds at many ecumenical councils everyone has to agree if its a matter of important dogmatic view. That s how council works as it worked at Nicaea, Chalcedon etc etc.
It is not difficult for us to change unless it is considered wrong to do so simple as that. One thing I might add it is also an issue regarding the Papal Infailibility as well specially at their councils right? You guys say when the Pope speaks from the chair of Peter he's given authority above any other bishops to make dogmatic changed making him right in any matters right? Binding the whole church when he issues decrees and that God preserves him from ,,any dogmatic errors".
In contrast the Orthodox Church in its whole says that matters of faith can only be settled in a conciliar manner in Synods and Ecumenical Councils;
The west has to renounce the Filioque and Supremacy of the Pope then we got a dialogue for the Pope to take its place back slowly in the Pentarchy :)
@@arthegor THE Catholic Church is not the same as 1054. We will never accept a Church with pagan Pacha Mama, guitar playing Masses, sittingbpews. COMMUNION IN HANDS, NOT PROSTRATIONS, NO FASTING,...
You're incorrect, speaking from the chair of Peter is something constricted by the truths already set down & forming the deposit of faith. Any authority cannot contradict or overrule Biblical revelation. Your claims of heretics are quite extreme and in the minority. The filioque was accepted by many in the Orthodox church up until and for along time after the "schism" just as it stood & the Western church is very flexible about the understanding of what is actually meant. It's far from an unresolvable & heretical teaching. There's far more room for reconciliation and to develope o mutual understanding & dogmatic teaching on the subject. To be blunt it seems that there are political stances taken by some in order to maintain or advance their own position & they simply don't want a reproachment of the divisions in Christ's Church.
While we bicker, Satan and his religions Islam and Wokeism laughs. See, they march hand in hand on our streets, celebrating our weakness, mocking God. I'd gladly give my earthly life in agony just to see all Christians stay united before our Lord, as the Apostle Paul instructed.
What this video fails to mention is that it’s not just an issue of the Julian calendar for the Eastern Orthodox. It’s an issue of how both churches decided the date for Easter/Pascha would be calculated at the ecumenical council, but which the Catholic west later abandoned. The Orthodox will always submit to this original decision. It is not up for debate.
Both churches follow the council's guidelines, the difference comes because the Julian Calendar used at the time drifted almost a day every a hundred years, in the Catholic Church that was adjusted by the Gregorian Calendar, but this change didn't happen in the East, as the schism was already there.
Eventually you are going to have to do something, i.e scrap the Julian calender. Why? Because it is not so astronomically accurate. The orbits and timing of celestials objects are not something a calender can do, rather a calender should reflect the proper length of a mean solar year. Some attribute an almost theological importance to a calender promulgated by a Roman heathen and call this old heathen calender the 'calender of the Church Fathers' when in fact the church fathers did not have anything to do with the Julian calender. It is a Western calender. If something doesn't work a clever man fixes the problem instead of letting it get worse.
I lean more quartodeciman, myself. Christ died Nisan 14 on the Hebrew Calander on Pesach. Forcing a Sunday celebration just seems arbitrary. Accuracy doesn't seem to have been the goal of 1st Nicaea.
@@locksmith9498Agreed. This issue of Julian v. Gregorian v. Revised Julian came about because we decided to abandon the Torah's lunisolar calendar. Solar calendars will eventually be offset from the minutely approximate solar mean year which happens to be just shy of 365.25 days.
Frankly the debate is pedantic. Either stick with the Hebrew Calendar, choose the most accurate solar calendar, or invent something that's better than both of them.
@@locksmith9498 you know, if we can keep it long enough will eventually circle back to the right date 😂.
We need this now more than ever✝️☦️.
I pray for this two churches our beloved religion Catholic Church and separated one Orthodox Catholic Church, I love them so much. ✝❤☦
The video of Pope Francis greeting an eastern patriarch wasn’t an Eastern Orthodox patriarch but a non-Chalcedonian Syriac patriarch. Or else a Syriac Catholic. Poor editing. 😊
He is the Syriac Orthodox Patriarch
@@stavrog So poor editing seeing hes a non-Chalcedonian
That would be an Honor for me and I'm not just talking about myself. Come together, you children of God, spread togetherness and love among each other ✝️🙏🏽☦️
Hope we do and God grants us a sign to make it clear to all the leaders.
I pray that we do
Let’s pray for unity brothers! Orthodox and Catholics will unite someday!!!
Constantinople is hardly the most “prominent” Orthodox Church.
They're excommunicated by most other Orthodox Churches
END THE SCHISM IN JESUS' NAME
it's ended, but the orthodoxy refuses to acknowledge truth
@@andrewa6786 There is no TRUTH BUT ERROR.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS IN HORRIBLE ERROR!
ALL THE MODERNISM, LIBERALISM, UNCANONNICAL STUFF.
@@andrewa6786 what truth, exactly?
@@andrewa6786 why won't you acknowledge the truth? if was a French cardinal that excommunicated a patriarch when the pope was dead during that time. This was unjustified. you all keep saying they left the church. you all made them leave.
@@josephjacob3274 They renounced their own schism and still refuse to return, that is on them, Most orthodox did return
The video contains a number of inaccuracies. First, the date of Pascha (Easter) coincides on the two calendars every few years -- the last time was 2017. Second, the video shows Coptic clergy meeting the Pope (distinguished by their headgear), who are considered schismatic by both Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Third, even if the Pope agrees something with the Patriarch of Constantinople, he is a ceremonial head only; has no authority to enforce it outside Istanbul (to the approx. 2000 Greeks left in Turkey) and parts of Greece. Anything Constantinople agrees to will be bound to be rejected by Moscow given the relations between then, and Moscow alone represents half the world's Orthodox.
Man we don't care you're like 4 cats
God bless father.... in Jesus name.🎉🎉🎉
It’s time that our separated brethren of the Holy Roman Church are received back into the fold of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church. All Christians must unite into the Ancient Universal Church of Christ. Let us together end the Schism in 2054.
A modern day council of nicea would solve all these issues,god only wants love and unity and they we do well to follows god will!! 🙏 ✝️
Yes they will. It happens to fall on the same date in both the Julian and Gregorian calendars this coming year.
Reverting to the Julian Calendar would be foolish, as the Gregorian Calendar was created to address this very problem, of Easter drifting out of alignment with Spring. It is the most accurate calendar ever devised and the one that the whole secular world currently uses.
The Churches should either align to this, or else the fixed date option (which is in effect the same, as our dating system is Gregorian). Not because of which church invented it, but simply its scientific accuracy.
John 17:22-23 22 The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
A unified Easter was pope Paul VI's dream.
Should be celebrated when God had established the original Passover. 14th of Nisan. That is the perfect point of unity.
But Jesus resurrected on a sunday, 'day of the Lord'...
@@mauijttewaalthat is fine. The Resurrection is celebrated every Sunday. The Pasch, literally the Passover, or what English speakers know as Easter, is the fulfillment of the Passover Feast. That is on the 14th of Nisan… as the early Christians kept it.
I think we should all love each other, but Rome would have to become orthodox again to unite the East and West. That is a VERY tall order. Lord have mercy.
Also, the Holy Fire in the Holy Sepplecur only obeys the orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem. That is divine proof of the validation of orthodoxy.
Reunification! Why are we still letting Peter and Paul’s mission be divided because of power struggles from the Byzantine empire?
Power struggles from Byzantine? You are clearly clueless about the power hungry bishops of Rome.
@ I meant everybody from that era. Certainly am aware of medieval Catholic politicking.
@@constellationorion8679 Byzantine is a pejorative coined in the West to deny the fact of the Eastern Roman Empire.
We will unite....let christ lead us
The Orthodox parishes near me are celebrating on the 25th and Jan 7th (also Dec. 25th on the older Julian calendar). The two I looked into anyway.
St. Paul said it himself: “Has Christ been divided?”
This is a rhetorical question. It is impossible to divide Christ. The Church is not divided. People have only separated themselves from the Church. When you compare the RCC and EOC, it is clear they are two different religions. They are diametrically opposed. Before you respond with hate, disrespect, and a lack of grace, do the research for yourself.
two threads of the same cloth. not really two different religions.
@@josephjacob3274 The Church is the body of Christ united in faith, there are no two threads of the same cloth you monkey since one believe in Filioque and the other don't. One believe in Fatima and the other believe in the Theotokos that said in 1274 that the Catholics are the enemy of Christ. One believe in the Pope as being the head of the church while the other believe the head is only Christ. And i can go with the opposing differences all day long! Get your head out of your ass buddy, there is no such thing as RCC and EOC being two whatever of the same thing since they have opposing faiths. Two different religions, RCC is pagan and EOC is christian. Only EOC is christian,the rest are bullshit christian wannabes, heretics in a nutshell.
Oh and one last factual thing: The 7 Churches of the Apocalypse were under communion and jurisdiction of the Patriarchy of Constantinople, some got smaller in time and some bigger(metropolis) for example Sardis was part of the metropolis of Philadelphia! They ended in 1923 when they migrated in Greece due to the Greek-Turk war, and their titles are now held in the Greek Orthodox Church. They were part of the EOC(who's full name is Orthodox Catholic Church) from start to finish! We are already orthodox catholic so who needs Roman-Catholic bull crap dogma?
So you either do your research or stop regurgitating imbecility held by the true fake church
@@josephjacob3274 faith is not the same as religion. Both RCC and EOC are Jesus' belivers, but the "rituals", traditions and a lot of views on some minor things are opposing each other, that's why the oc said they are different religions.
@user-2kj2k you can be a different sect, but religion follows a certain deity. Many Christians follow jesus, but belong to different sects based on teachings.
When the Angelic Pope is soon elected and sitted at the Sit of Peter,,,,He will unite the Holy Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches,,,,,
We need leaders in the church that will. Also theologians should push for reunification of the Roman Catholic with other Orthodox denominations.
Unity in the essentials; freedom in the rest.
Prayers for mutual reconciliation on what separated us for too long.
We need to be united in Christ once more before he comes again.
I am not sure why it is important to celebrate Easter in the Spring. In the Southern Hemisphere it is celebrated in the Autumn because of the reversal of seasons.
Let the Orthodox adopt the Gregorian Calendar.
Yes, all must use the calendar in Georgian.
NEVER
Let the Catholics adopt the Julian ancient calendar that the early Christians and saints always used.
GREGORIAN*
@@RLG6728Our calendar is more precise and it was not made up by caesar.
I for one would like have fixed feast days. When they move around is when I get confused
Probably both the East & the West should adopt a 21st century update of the Revised Julian Calendar; the only update needed is to correct for the 2 second offset per year (compare with Gregorian's 23 second, and Julian's 11 minute) so that we can get even more precisely accurate: pehaps 0.0001 second offset?
Afterall, the goal of a solar calendar is precision of accuracy compared to the solar mean year & nothing else. Placing religious significance on a calendar is cringe. We just need to update how leap years are calculated and the universal problem will be solved.
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Correction the Church was not split in two. A branch of the Catholic Church is just not in full communion.
Together when RC converts!
God Forbid a Union!
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Divination and Divisions are not one in the same yet lead to possible turpitude and other formalities of sin. Caution with your personal relationship to the body of Christ in human likeness for self and neighbor. 🎉❤
Why use a calendar that is just wrong, julian-orthodox calendar, like you preserve true doctrine but didn't know how many hours a year has.
Revelation 5,5
And one of the elders said to me, "Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."
Merry and blessed Christmas to all who have believed in the Word 🤍.
John 1:14
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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Though the differences here depicted are important the clip fails to address the Filioque as Catholics hold to as well as the Primacy of the Papacy, which Orthodox refute. These 2 doctrinal issues need to be addressed. I am very happy however that as a Catholic, our brothers of the Eastern Orthodox are meeting together and coming closer because this is what Christ asked us to do. Division is not good.
Maybe once united we can bring the lost Protestant world back home too.
Probably pope has already decided to adopt the Orthodox-Julian Calendar. He will face however pressure not to adopt it by political figures who may do not want to
to alter national holidays etc.
The fixed date variant doesn't solve the problem, as you would still have to agree on how to calculate that date. Also, that was done away with by the Church fathers.
Anathema!
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The point is not the calendar. The point is for roman catholics to repent and return to orthodoxy
Ah I love Roman Catholic propaganda
This piece is DREADFULLY inaccurate on several fronts. The Ecumenical Patriarch did NOT excommunicate the Pope of Rome in 1054 (who was actually deceased for several months at the time) but the papal delegation who, on its part, most likely did not have the authority of a plenipotentiary allowing him to first excommunicate the EP. Furthermore, it must be noted that this did not apply to the "Greek" Patriarchattes of Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem who remained in communion with Rome at least until the 4th Crusade in 1204. As far as the current difference between the Easter dates between nearly all of Orthodoxy (and the Byzantine churches in communion with Rome in parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East) it had NOTHING to due withthe events of 1054, but rather updated equinoxes and lunar cycles of the Gregorian Calendar reform in the the 16th century, which were not observed in most of the Christian East.
Not on my watch, not unless the Pope gives up his heresy. ☦️
I love Catholics so much but I need you to understand that when we changed the date of Christmas it created a schism. Changing the date of easter will do the same thing. I know this is ridiculous but Many orthodox bishops and priests are far too zealous about the wrong things.
Nobody changed the date of Christmas. Orthodox celebrate on Dec 25th. According to the Julian Calendar when they celebrate Christmas, it is Dec 25th. When the Julian Calendar reads Dec 25th, it's Jan 7th on the Gregorian Calendar.
The calendar was changed so that the date for pascha would be calculated more accurately according to the same principles established by the time of the Council of Nicea.
The Orthodox never updated their calendars, and so their pascha is often on the Sunday after the 2nd full moon after the spring equinox, or on a sunday after a "predicted" full moon, but not a real one.
You speak only according to the letter of the law. The spirit of the law is found in the old calendar. Only an ecumenical council could change the calendar, because it was an ecumenical council which established the Canon. The spirit of which was so all the brethren might celebrate the Feasts of our Salvation (Easter and Christmas) TOGETHER.
The Irish almost went into schism trying to retain what they had since St. Patrick, however, celebrating with the rest of their brothers was more important.
If you agree with the change, and the resulting disunity in celebration, it is in fact YOU who are in violation of the spirit of the law.
@intreuefestundlachen1883 The calendar doesnt change the computus, which was agreed upon at nicea. Cope and seethe
Having a pope like we do today, I don’t blame the orthodox to separate from him
Orthodox used Gregorian calendar before: from 1584 to 1587
Looks like a change didn’t last long.
Also a misrepresented fact about Julian calendar to shift away is false. It’s the FIRST calendar to introduce leap years and throughout 2070 years of using Julian calendar we didn’t lose 500 days and didn’t messed up summer with winter
LA FE NO ES LA MISMA ! Y NO , NO ES BUENO. 🧐
What is going on here? The Orthodox did not use the Gregorian calendar between 1584 and 1587. In fact the Orthodox condemned the calendar at synods in this time period (1583 and 1587). What am I missing? Or are they just lying?
No, you are right
imagine if this time happens the opposite of 1054
Have bigger issues with oriental orthodox than the calendar.
The Greeks need to lighten up a bit and the Romans really must stop all the ‘hippy-dippy’ goings on during Mass...
We celebrate on the same date every few years. We Orthodox are on a rotating calendar date for Pascha (Easter), and always have been, and Rome used to be on the same system until they changed it. This is sensationalism and clickbait and is not appreciated.
I mean its their only hope as P Bartholomew has quite done what perhaps Vigano and others have it seems. Breaking away and originating their own new church not under authority of any other valid canonical leadership?🤷♀️please explain how this works
Sounds great, but at the moment i dont trust my catholic church
Even though they really don't have similar doctrthe catholic auto docs, they do not believe that the Pope is.
From peter. They believed jesus christ is the head of the church not the pope. And the priests are allowed to marry in the catholic church they're not
Why does Pope not condems the terrorist for using children in schools as human shield
We should go even more Ecumenical and make it the date of the Jewish Passover so that all three of us would be celebrating the same day!
No thanks
@Russ1875 Why? Where do you think Easter's roots lay? What harm would this do? You do realize Jesus is Jewish and instituted the Eucharist in the context of the Passover feast?
It is forbidden ny the Holy Fathers, Holy Canons, Ecumenical Synods
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Source, quotation? I have read carefully about half of the Ecumenical Councils and have never seen anything remotely prohibiting this?
@TheCatholicSamurai Than read again. It is even forbidden to visit a Synagoge, to celebrate any feast with the jews. And Orthodox Pascha NEVER IS ALLOWED TO BE CELEBRATED THE SAME TIME JEWS CELEBRATE THE PESSACH
This is not true that the last time was 1054. Easter Dates coincide periodically. I don't get why this is being made a big deal. As long as the Catholics return to the practice of the first millenium, that's fine.
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Man, seriously, who cares about dates of celebration? Let it in month A or month B, but do you think Jesus would care more about such a thing compared to how much he would care about us being united?
He PRAYED for us to be as one. This takes priority:
John 17:20-23
"I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me..."
I dont care if it's one date or another. These are details. We are gonna celebrate Christ anyway. But we are being called to unite.
Any Church firmly defending their position rather than being the first willing to adapt to the other is the fartest from God. And whatever Church willing to concede their calendar is the closest to God.
Not unless the Pope repents.
The Russian and the Macedonian and the Serbian churches will never accept this 😇 as for the greek speaking churches they should just be Chatolics 😂
Uy qué miedo los tercermundistas subdesarrollados y los asesinos no se quieren unir a nosotros 😭
Jesus was the Passover Lamb not the Easter lamb.
Same God, same Christ...time to end the nonsense. Institutions of non-sense when they carve God and man into units and clans, maKing holy and unholy.
“ UNIFIED REICH “
X-MAS AND EASTER ARE MAN MADE TIMES AND DAYS BUT SABBATH STILL REMAINS AS THE 7TH DAY 0F WORSHIP......JESUS CHRIST......BE CAREFULL WITH PAGAN....AND PAPAL BELIEFS.
The Vatican is very special and powerful
Why should they celebrate together, why would the true Orthodox church of Christ, which has remained in the apostolic faith for more than 2 thousand years, celebrate something with heretics who have fallen away from it and who accept everything that is modern and reject the tradition of their existence. never into ecumenism, never into a lie, no matter how tempting it may be
Rejection of papacy is a heresy.
@@hanmirz4803 at which Ecumenical Council was this decided? I'll answer for you- it wasn't decided at an Ecumenical Council. it was arrogated unto himself by a succession of Bishops of Rome under the influence of Frankish potentates. Papal primacy is a heresy.
@BaikalTii the primacy of the seat of Saint Peter was firmly established even in the scripture. When Saint Paul had to consult him. Yes he disagreed first but then he still met Saint Peter to get the approval. The current pope is number 266th, after Saint Peter. As for ecunumecal council, I mean really? All councils affirmed the primacy of Seat of Saint Peter.
@@hanmirz4803 LOL Latin coping at it's best.
@BaikalTii , nah. Early Church fathers accepted both by Catholics and Orthodox affirmed so. The problem is, you don't have the magisterium to have a final decision on matters. The Catholic Church still stands firm on issues such as abortion, contraception, etc. But Orthodox Church can't agree from diocese to diocese.
Please choose the Old Calendar. ☦️
Seperate from the world our great and holy feasts.
Don’t get it mixed up! The Gregorian calendar was developed by the Church for the utmost accurate and reliable Liturgical feast days. It was the world that decided to adopt the Church’s calendar because it was the most accurate and practical calendar ever designed. Gregorian calendar should be the standard for all Christians.
@@dlee43 THE Gregorian CALENDAR is also not accurate AND IT IS A SECULAR CALENDAR.
THE JULIAN CALENDAR IS THE CALENDAR OF THE SAINTS, FATHERS AND THE CHURCH.
@@alexpanagiotis4706 Cry more Heretic!!
Not the russian orthodox
The Revised Julian Calendar is already used by many Eastern Catholics. That might be the way.
They are schismatics like greeks!
St paisios
PLEASE UNIFY!!! I honestly think it Rome removes the filioque (which many Byzantine Catholics still want to do) the Orthodox church *may* bend JUST enough to re-unify.
I'm Byzantine Catholic and the Filioque is not an issue. It never really was an issue tbh. The Eastern Orthodox just use it as an excuse.
@richlopez5896 it is an issue which hinders the re-unification of the two churches, that alone is problematic.
@@William-JosephParker
Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II
“We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, proceeding from the Father through the Son” (Profession of Faith [A.D. 787]
The Early Church Fathers, both Latin and Greek, recognized the same thing, saying that the Spirit proceeds “from the Father and the Son” or “from the Father through the Son.”
These expressions mean the same thing because everything the Son has is from the Father. The proceeding of the Spirit from the Son is something the Son himself received from the Father. The procession of the Spirit is therefore ultimately rooted in the Father but goes through the Son. However, some Eastern Orthodox insist that to equate “through the Son” with “from the Son” is a departure from the true faith.
The expression “from the Father through the Son” is accepted by many Eastern Orthodox. This, in fact, led to a reunion of the Eastern Orthodox with the Catholic Church in 1439 at the Council of Florence. Unfortunately, the union did not last. In the 1450s (just decades before the Protestant Reformation), the Eastern Orthodox left the Church again under pressure from the Muslims, who had just conquered them and who insisted they renounce their union with the Western Church (lest Western Christians come to their aid militarily).
Today many Eastern Orthodox bishops are putting aside old prejudices and again acknowledging that there need be no separation between the two communions on this issue. Eastern Orthodox Bishop Kallistos Ware (formerly Timothy Ware), who once adamantly opposed the filioque doctrine, states: “The filioque controversy which has separated us for so many centuries is more than a mere technicality, but it is not insoluble. Qualifying the firm position taken when I wrote [my book] The Orthodox Church twenty years ago, I now believe, after further study, that the problem is more in the area of semantics and different emphases than in any basic doctrinal differences” (Diakonia, quoted from Elias Zoghby’s A Voice from the Byzantine East, 43).
NO WE WILL NOT!
Use jewish calendar
Jesus is outside time according to the Bible. Why is Christmas a common feast day and not Easter? A date will not affect my spiritual journey, my spiritual warfare. Jesus must be amused by our human ‘constructions’, not amused by our stubbornness….
CHRIST WAS MAN AND SO WAS UNDER TIME
Christmas is not celebrated on the same day. It is celebrated on the same date, which also drifts further and further apart each year, but unlike Pascha, will never coincide unless the Orthodox adopt the Gregorian calendar.
Hi Uncles, so Jesuso really already loved New orleans we just started from what I understand is the response was very passionate so just need some dusk and dawns to see da kine blush then he will know.... Lavae Lavae
Google gooble!!!!!! 💋
I left the Roman church and became orthodox. I hope the churches one day will unite. But its hard to see. Because of the west becoming more and more liberal. More atheistic. But we welcome more converts to Orthodoxy. Jesus is from the east. So is his church! The west the devil prevailed against the churches with schisms and atheism. But not God’s church in the east. Highest % of church retention in the east!
Much to do about nothing. Too much pride among the Orthodox and the current Pontificate does not engender their confidence either. At least someone got paid for creating the report and some had their hopes buoyed. Focus on what is doable to save souls.
Will the Catholics rejoin the Orthodox Church?
What complicates the ecumenism is not 1054, it’s papal infallibility … just saying 😅
No pope was ever infallible, it only means a pope is protected from teaching error when speaking from the chair on faith and morals. Technically its not even papal infallibility its the infallible teaching being infallible and the patriarch is protected from distorting the infallible teaching