I think the comments re speculation on the next conclave are very valid as there are currently 140 electors and most do not know much about any of their colleagues, especially those who live in Asia, the pacific and africa. They hardly ever meet and should a conclave be called very suddenly, they would have just 2 weeks in Rome for pre conclave meetings to try and assess who would be the 267th successor. No time once in the Sistine chapel and having to write the name of the person you believe to be the Successor of Peter. A young cardinal or an old one. a Curia man or a pastoral man. An italian or european or an asian or an African. And how holy is the man you want. So many questions. There needs to be be at least 3 weeks in Rome for all cardinals before the conclave in which they can meet, chat, share and question what is needed in the Church of this century and who is best to take the seat of Peter. Huge challenge.
John Allen reports on the anonymous Vatican employee complaint about the gay Lobby in the Curia, and then he reports that the jubilee ad for an LGBTQ+ has been at least temporarily removed from the Vatican Web Site. He does not co-relate these stories; but he might as well do so, given his closing report on the (Peronist) style of this papacy to send mixed signals to off-balance all opposition.
I watched the visit to Corsica. At the end of the day, the pope had difficulty to breath and speak, something that was not visible at the beginning of his visit. The man is 88.
@@peterpluim7912 No it isn't. I don't. It's not a regular feature of Sunday mass payers for Pope Francis either. I do pray for him to exercise wisdom in his Office.
On the issue of speculating the papbile: The people who say we shouldn't speculate on who would be the next pope are hypocrites. Those same people would speculate about who the next secular leader will be after any important decision without batting an eye, but once the issue of the speculating on the succession of the pope (when the pope is alive), then it's unbecoming and should not happen when the pontiff is alive.
Being just over age 60, I perceived that when a name of a potential is mentioned, then that person loses the possibility. Therefore, keep your opinion to yourself about the candidates...at least until the conclave is actually in operation.
Yes…could a large group of Latin traditionalists have a pilgrimage in the Jubilee year or those 20-30 or white Frenchmen, or 70+ Spaniards or intellectual Austrians over 40 or Men who work in tech industries or women who work in supermarket check out counters? Just what is a pilgrimage group and what makes it different to just CATHOLICS, MEN AND WOMEN OF ALL AGES making a pilgrimage. Could be from any state but why make divisions of gender or sexuality so obvious? Just a thought.
Conjecture about candidates is inevitable and necessary, especially when done with charity and respect. The respect has already been earned by a life of service to the Kingdom. The actual electors can use all the help they get because, with few exceptions among the longer serving, the cardinals have only small amounts of direct personal contact.
To think n to talk about the next Pope is only natural - as it is a fact and officially reported the the current Pope is sick at 88 - and most importantly he is the world most important leader and also the representative of Christ
Dear Mr. Allen, you are right. I keep a rule in my own Channel Cónclave Informa regarding Cardinal's profiles, I never say this or that "for sure" is a "Papabile", its the spectator who should take his idea from each one of them, and then, pray. Regards, Paloma
Not really a discussion on who might be the next pope but rather whether it is prudent to talk about it when there is no opening. Title is a bit misleading.
Zuppi have the votes NOW We need more time with francis to make the moderate complain and vote for a decent pope because it is not a good candidate now
It's dreadful the prospect from human eyes. This pope has less religion than my agnostic brothers and sister. At the school, satanists say they like Francis and he is more one of them than mine! Tucho releases serial erotica in blessing format. Zuppi is full on homosexualist...clearly infatuated by the idea of feminizing the church.
John, I would suggest that it’s not an issue when decent folks like yourself speculate on the next pope. It’s an issue when the Pope Francis haters start day-dreaming about the death of the pontiff and have ecstatic fantasies about whom they would want donning the white hat. It’s morbid and in bad faith. There’s a difference.
@@joserodriguez5211 Thank you. Couldn’t agree more. I hope John will take the time to develop a profile for the new pope, as if he were a cardinal of the church. What will the “average” cardinal look for? Francis cleaned up the church finances and while that’s not exactly the thing you look for in a pope as a run of the milll Catholic, I was told this was critically important to the church. He created cardinals in places where the church is growing and not in places where the church has been in decline for almost 80 years or more. You can hardly blame him for that. Every CEO worth his salt promotes people who deliver results. He reaches out to the non believers. Against, it’s hard to find fault in that if you declare your faith in the apostolic church every Sunday. I hope the next pope will be a bit more doctrinally sound or careful with words so the Vatican officials don’t have to scramble after unscripted press moments to “clarify” what the pope intended to say. I hope the next pope is less conflicted in accepting the advantages his role as head of state give him.
@@peterpluim7912 Correction: Pope Francis has crashed the finances of the Church. Moreover the €120 million plus loss over the former Harrods warehouse property occurred under this papacy.
Why did you feel the need to use an AI generated photo of the College of Cardinals? Clearly AI doesn’t fully understand that a surplice is longer than that.
We all know it’s not realistic but the new elected Pope doesn’t have to be from the college of cardinals. All Catholic men are available to be elected.
@@jerryritchie1080I know it is not realistic but let’s go down this path. They cannot elect a married man while his wife is alive I guess. The pope must be a priest and since priests cannot be married …. They could invoke a precedent: as the legitimacy of the papacy is based on the succession of Peter and Peter was a married man, it would be rather easy to defend a married pope. :)
Re: Jonathan's Tent LGBTQ+ pilgrimage on the calendar. Could be divisive, depending on the faithfulness of the devotees. Hopefully it will not be a lobbying effort to change church teaching.
For crying out loud, the Pope just wants to listen to people from both sides of the argument without prejudging them. Why are people scandalized by that?
To say you are anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ, and for Donald Trump is ideological? First, it is anti-immigrationism, the church welcomes homosexuals and lesbians, etc., as long as they are to learn their lesson. Trump is unpredictable but, he has the right to disagree with those promoting homosexuality and the type of immigration we are getting at this time.
If that is true, that the Holy Spirit chooses the Pope, He sure made a mistake this last time. In truth, it is men with political maneuvering and flawed wills that choose the pope who is essentially a Vatican insider. Nothing mystical about it. God deals with it, to be sure, and works through him, to be sure. He's been working overtime these past 10 years.
My guess and it is just that, a guess, is that Francis will retired at age 90. The cardinals will then elect either Cardinal Parolin or Cardinal Tagle as the next pope. Both of these men are extremely intelligent, know church history and are fluent in many languages. They are also young enough to lead the church for the next twenty years.
That's what the Chruch doesn't want, a pope that will last for more than 15 years. Plus, Parolin and Tagle are both very liberal and wouldn't unite the church.
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I think the comments re speculation on the next conclave are very valid as there are currently 140 electors and most do not know much about any of their colleagues, especially those who live in Asia, the pacific and africa. They hardly ever meet and should a conclave be called very suddenly, they would have just 2 weeks in Rome for pre conclave meetings to try and assess who would be the 267th successor. No time once in the Sistine chapel and having to write the name of the person you believe to be the Successor of Peter. A young cardinal or an old one. a Curia man or a pastoral man. An italian or european or an asian or an African. And how holy is the man you want. So many questions. There needs to be be at least 3 weeks in Rome for all cardinals before the conclave in which they can meet, chat, share and question what is needed in the Church of this century and who is best to take the seat of Peter. Huge challenge.
John Allen reports on the anonymous Vatican employee complaint about the gay Lobby in the Curia, and then he reports that the jubilee ad for an LGBTQ+ has been at least temporarily removed from the Vatican Web Site. He does not co-relate these stories; but he might as well do so, given his closing report on the (Peronist) style of this papacy to send mixed signals to off-balance all opposition.
We forget Greeley’s books “The Making of the Pope….”
I watched the visit to Corsica. At the end of the day, the pope had difficulty to breath and speak, something that was not visible at the beginning of his visit. The man is 88.
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@ You know, it is expected that every Catholic prays for the health of the holy father.
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No it isn't. I don't.
It's not a regular feature of Sunday mass payers for Pope Francis either.
I do pray for him to exercise wisdom in his Office.
@ Good enough for me. I was just shocked someone could be happy because the health of another human being is failing.
the experience of the Vatican staff sounds exactly like what I would speculate it to be like
Peter Erdo or Cardinal Pizzaballa. We need unification and a return to Catholicism. Francis 2.0 will break the church.
On the issue of speculating the papbile: The people who say we shouldn't speculate on who would be the next pope are hypocrites. Those same people would speculate about who the next secular leader will be after any important decision without batting an eye, but once the issue of the speculating on the succession of the pope (when the pope is alive), then it's unbecoming and should not happen when the pontiff is alive.
Being just over age 60, I perceived that when a name of a potential is mentioned, then that person loses the possibility. Therefore, keep your opinion to yourself about the candidates...at least until the conclave is actually in operation.
No more European or Americas popes. Philippines or African popes this time.
Were Cardinal Burke elected Pope, one thing's for sure: American conservative Catholics would wipe out Vatican deficits.
Great video
Yes…could a large group of Latin traditionalists have a pilgrimage in the Jubilee year or those 20-30 or white Frenchmen, or 70+ Spaniards or intellectual Austrians over 40 or Men who work in tech industries or women who work in supermarket check out counters? Just what is a pilgrimage group and what makes it different to just CATHOLICS, MEN AND WOMEN OF ALL AGES making a pilgrimage. Could be from any state but why make divisions of gender or sexuality so obvious? Just a thought.
Conjecture about candidates is inevitable and necessary, especially when done with charity and respect. The respect has already been earned by a life of service to the Kingdom. The actual electors can use all the help they get because, with few exceptions among the longer serving, the cardinals have only small amounts of direct personal contact.
To think n to talk about the next Pope is only natural - as it is a fact and officially reported the the current Pope is sick at 88 - and most importantly he is the world most important leader and also the representative of Christ
Next Pope must be between 25 to 35 years old. So that he will not be to old to comment on current events in a wrong manner?!
Dear Mr. Allen, you are right. I keep a rule in my own Channel Cónclave Informa regarding Cardinal's profiles, I never say this or that "for sure" is a "Papabile", its the spectator who should take his idea from each one of them, and then, pray. Regards, Paloma
Not really a discussion on who might be the next pope but rather whether it is prudent to talk about it when there is no opening. Title is a bit misleading.
There should be captions on this video
There are cc.
Zuppi have the votes NOW
We need more time with francis to make the moderate complain and vote for a decent pope because it is not a good candidate now
Zuppi may have the votes, Fernandez has the blackmail files.
tucho is too unpopular
@@elvolvasky69 tucho does not need to be popular. Tucho just needs enough votes who he has collected gay lobby files on.
It's dreadful the prospect from human eyes. This pope has less religion than my agnostic brothers and sister. At the school, satanists say they like Francis and he is more one of them than mine! Tucho releases serial erotica in blessing format. Zuppi is full on homosexualist...clearly infatuated by the idea of feminizing the church.
That webiste is very cool. It has a lot of information and it didn't seem biased in any way
John, I would suggest that it’s not an issue when decent folks like yourself speculate on the next pope. It’s an issue when the Pope Francis haters start day-dreaming about the death of the pontiff and have ecstatic fantasies about whom they would want donning the white hat. It’s morbid and in bad faith. There’s a difference.
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Any evidence for supposed Pope Francis "haters" "day-dreaming about the death of the pontiff"?
Or is that all in a noxiously fertile imagination?
@@joserodriguez5211 Thank you. Couldn’t agree more. I hope John will take the time to develop a profile for the new pope, as if he were a cardinal of the church. What will the “average” cardinal look for? Francis cleaned up the church finances and while that’s not exactly the thing you look for in a pope as a run of the milll Catholic, I was told this was critically important to the church.
He created cardinals in places where the church is growing and not in places where the church has been in decline for almost 80 years or more. You can hardly blame him for that. Every CEO worth his salt promotes people who deliver results. He reaches out to the non believers. Against, it’s hard to find fault in that if you declare your faith in the apostolic church every Sunday.
I hope the next pope will be a bit more doctrinally sound or careful with words so the Vatican officials don’t have to scramble after unscripted press moments to “clarify” what the pope intended to say. I hope the next pope is less conflicted in accepting the advantages his role as head of state give him.
@@peterpluim7912 Correction: Pope Francis has crashed the finances of the Church.
Moreover the €120 million plus loss over the former Harrods warehouse property occurred under this papacy.
Why did you feel the need to use an AI generated photo of the College of Cardinals? Clearly AI doesn’t fully understand that a surplice is longer than that.
Very perceptive. You’re correct and most no longer wear lacy surpluses.
Pope Benedict was alive when Pope Francis was elected so Francis knows who he’d like to be Pope will he influence this decision?
Appointing over 80% of the electing cardinals isn't influence enough?
I'd guess Smoochy would be his favourite but it ain't gonna happen.
@ Who’s Smoochy ? Well
Pope John Paul 2 made Pope Francis a cardinal!
@@opencurtin “Heal Me with Your Mouth. The Art of Kissing” is the title of one of his prurient books
@@opencurtinBig mistake
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We all know it’s not realistic but the new elected Pope doesn’t have to be from the college of cardinals. All Catholic men are available to be elected.
A holy single man in an FSSP parish would be ideal
@@jerryritchie1080I know it is not realistic but let’s go down this path. They cannot elect a married man while his wife is alive I guess. The pope must be a priest and since priests cannot be married …. They could invoke a precedent: as the legitimacy of the papacy is based on the succession of Peter and Peter was a married man, it would be rather easy to defend a married pope. :)
Do you really think they would ever elect someone who is not of them? Seriously? It happened very rarely and only because they were stuck.
Re: Jonathan's Tent LGBTQ+ pilgrimage on the calendar. Could be divisive, depending on the faithfulness of the devotees. Hopefully it will not be a lobbying effort to change church teaching.
For crying out loud, the Pope just wants to listen to people from both sides of the argument without prejudging them. Why are people scandalized by that?
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How about a link to the cardinal report?
To say you are anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ, and for Donald Trump is ideological? First, it is anti-immigrationism, the church welcomes homosexuals and lesbians, etc., as long as they are to learn their lesson. Trump is unpredictable but, he has the right to disagree with those promoting homosexuality and the type of immigration we are getting at this time.
I have my Cardinal,who I think
will be the next Pope.
In a Conclave,it is Our Lord
Jesus who chooses the
Pope through his
Holy Spirit.
If that is true, that the Holy Spirit chooses the Pope, He sure made a mistake this last time. In truth, it is men with political maneuvering and flawed wills that choose the pope who is essentially a Vatican insider. Nothing mystical about it. God deals with it, to be sure, and works through him, to be sure. He's been working overtime these past 10 years.
Some of the worst and some frankly evil popes in history were 'chosen' by the Holy Ghost?
You play the moderate, but you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Ya think lol
My guess and it is just that, a guess, is that Francis will retired at age 90. The cardinals will then elect either Cardinal Parolin or Cardinal Tagle as the next pope. Both of these men are extremely intelligent, know church history and are fluent in many languages. They are also young enough to lead the church for the next twenty years.
That's what the Chruch doesn't want, a pope that will last for more than 15 years. Plus, Parolin and Tagle are both very liberal and wouldn't unite the church.