I think its a gamble at the minute which is sad. If you know the dealers and trust them then see what they have to say about the latest developments, some will carry on, but production of bikes and parts is woeful at the minute . Cheers for watching mate, and enjoy the ride
@@barebonesmc Couldn’t get any comments regarding this from my local dealership. Suggested they watch this. They were reluctant at first to refund my deposit at first. Thanks to this video they eventually did. Thanks to you. 👍😎🇦🇺
I'm a KTM dealer in the US, in fact I was one of the first in the country with all 3 brands. I grandfathered in as I had Husaberg and was a legacy Gas Gas dealer. It's been pretty quiet here on the future of MV in the US. To be honest they have never had much of a presence in the US market. Their dealer network of actual stocking dealers for all practical purposes had become non existent. So they are pretty much starting from scratch here. I told them I was interested in MV as I am an enthusiast was well as dealer. Given Pierer's previous history with acquisitions I doubt he overpays and will most like get another brand for pennies on the dollar. They have been given some pushback in the past with Husqvarna because they got rid of its "Italian" heritage but lets face it, their true heritage was Swedish and that went away in the 80's. Ironically that brand was driven to its former self by Cagiva and the Castiglioni's also. The Castiglioni's made some great motorcycles and had great passion but their business acumen was lacking. I think KTM ends up getting them and I think everything stays in Italy with Austrian direction. I say that because look at what they have done with Gas Gas trials. Kept the engineers on and built a new factory in Barcelona and kept the Spanish trials heritage. I think they know that the Italian heritage is important to that brand. Possibly the only platform that goes away is the Adventure bike. Pierer has already made a public statement that he did not think adventure bikes were a MV Agusta thing and he's not wrong.
sorry mate i had missed this comment, thanks for adding it. Did you get anywhere? are they asking for the same huge investment over there that they are here? If you look on the channel you will see some of my Cagiva history lol, and yes ill admit the Castiglioni's were flawed, but they did save much of the European motorcycle industry, so credit given where it is due. cheers for your comment
@@barebonesmc Yes the Castiglioni's were a big part of saving European brands. The whole Cagiva story is pretty amazing. So far its still quite. Only a few dealers are being set up here. I've heard nothing about what they will be wanting to set up yet.
@@dg1019 i know here they are wanting a fortune, i worry that it will just end up with big multi brand franchises that are little more than sales rooms that do servicingv and repairs on a replace a refit model. but there is more about it in the video im doing that will be out wednesday to be honest 🙂 the story keeps evolving, have a great day mate
I love MV agusta, they are my favorite motorcycle brand. I wish they would sort all this out and get back to making good bikes. It is so sad to see them getting things from China. I want them to bring the F4 back and also bring it back In a 750. I currently own an f4 750. My best wishes to MV. Hope it all goes smooth.
agree entirely mate (you will enjoy the next video up later this week) although I think they should stick with the 750 triple personally 🙂 cheers for watching . Ride Free
This all sounds about right for 'corporate giant' type business. I spent a 40 year career in and around the construction industry watching these sorts of shenanigans.
I bought an MV 800 Turismo Lusso, awesome bike, no regrets. Parts are available on the internet, I do my own maintenance so no worries. The 800 triple motor is fast and sounds fantastic, and it’s an MV looks stunning, handles like a dream. No regrets ……😀😀👍👍👍🏍🏍🏍🏍😎
I was a fanatic for Italian motorcycles once. Then I bought a Ducati and I was cured. What a cure that Ducati was. Japan has my full attention and no Italian stamp on my passport ever again.
@@rlsedition ok. I bought Japanese bikes. And once I bought an Italian bike, I learned my lesson and I have never purchased another bike that wasn't Japanese.
you cant blame the Castiglioni's for the mess the Sardarov has made, They had their flaws but without them the European industry might well be dead by now. And having a convicted fraudster on the board is never a good idea IMO, 🙂 Cheers for watching mate, Ride Free
@@presstodelete1165 i didnt take it like that mate, sorry if my reply came across like i had. and i do think the induxtry needs the sort of passion the Castiglionis brought to the table, enjoy your day mate
What a brilliantly researched and erudite video! And very sad too, but from my time in the international corporate world, unsurprising. I can't see Pierer Group investing any money in a company where the liabilities far exceed the physical assets and the management is persona non grata with the Italian authorities, unless... What is very valuable is the MV brand and associated sales potential. By buying and collapsing the Spanish registered company, Pierer Group acquires all of the tooling, technical IP and the brand, whilst potentially avoiding the debts. But if they need Italian workers for final assembly work, having shipped all manufacturing to QJ Motors in China, Pierer Group must have the Italian authorities and unions on-side. My guess is that this is what will happen. Sardarov will be got rid of (easy to do) and the new company will run global R&D, sales & marketing through the KTM infrastructure, whilst making everything in China. Mr Castiglioni will struggle to sue a defunct company and despite what some die-hards say, the world is getting used to Chinese manufacturers behind well-respected brands. Conveniently, this is especially true in Italy, where the Benelli TRK 502 is a massive seller.
cheers mate, and as usual you are on point. I imagine the Italian authorities will welcome Piere Mobility in to be honest, money opens doors as they say 🙂
I have a MV Agusta rush I was going to drive 500 miles to drop it off tomorrow at the Mv agusta shop in Indianapolis usa (Tom Woods Powersports). After seeing this video I called them and was told they are no longer servicing MV Agusta. So I called Moto Union in Milwaukee and was told their license was pulled because they didn't agree to sell KTM. None of the KTM dealerships I called within hours of me, know anything. 😠
I'm sorry mate, thats terrible. Over here the KTM dealers are saying they arent doing it. It only seems like Sardarov saying they will in public. Pulling the old dealer network before getting something set to replace it leaves all the owners in a crap position. Not knowing is the worst thing. If i hear any news i will post it, cheers for watching. sorry i didnt have better news
Hi mate, just had a call with UK director of one of the big dealers and there is news, but check the biggest MV dealers you can find and there should be a solution. Ill put a short video together as soon as I can as I did get more info. The crap bit is the dealers have known since january and they arent letting people know, there is a critical date in june here, not sure of the equivalent date there but summer will be the cut off, fingers crossed
I own a MV F4 312RR and a Ducati V2 Bayliss Edition. The MV is my pride and joy. It's just so stunning. I just hope they get their shit together under KTM, just as Ducati have thrived under the VW group. Thanks, very interesting video.
theyve STILL not got rid of the convicted fraudster off the board yet though, and i obviously have different ideas to you about the impact of big corporate interests, and if we all thought the same it would be a boring world mate, 🙂Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂
Hey mate feeling your pain, I ended up after a long Japanese then Italian motorcycle journey owning and keeping a couple of MVs. Nothing truely classic as such, just a couple of reborn MVs firstly a wonderfully beautiful turbine smooth F4 750 s and then a mad Brutale 800 triple. A chap once said that riding an MV is like being shot out of a cannon on a plank of wood with the howl of an F1 car filling your senses 😂 I can confirm this is pretty accurate. I pretty much have lived on a trickle of overseas aftermarket parts for years getting the bikes serviced has always been a challenge here in Oz. I think MV has positioned itself lately as a fashion brand, no longer a serious industry innovator driven by performance technical excellence and intense passion. luckily it’s still embodied in the older machines, question is how long can I keep them running. I’d be interested in your thoughts on the oncoming electric revolution in performance motorcycles. I wonder if MV is one of the early casualties of this next great industrial disruption. Very much enjoy your work thanks for your efforts 👍
what a lovely compliment mate cheers, as to the electric revolution, its a complex one, much more complex than most manufacturers would have us believe i think, A- i dont think the tech is there in terms of batteries yet, B- i think there are better options but they wont explore hydrogen splitters because they cant monetise the fuel, C- as always its usually about the money and generating needless new sales. having said that, even the idea of a lightning 218 scares the daylights out of me, and the level of the race bikes is just bonkers, ive seen the swingarm that the notts university lads built for their TT race bike and its unbelievable, controlling that much torque is an engineering nightmare, is that fair? 🙂 cheers for watching mate, have a great day
As sound as it's sound, I remember bsck in in the 80's, my father buying a MV 350S, The dealership said Honda and the other Japanise manufactures would not let him sell thier M/C's as he had not the capital to support a dealership. But MV did approve him as long as he could sell 2 bikes a month!! (I did some work for this dealership for a very short time), but MV as it turned out had less cash than the dealers. Yes they were broke even then, even with the restart of MV and the much better financil situation of MV in the 2000's it's was never going to last too long! So I not suprised MV is in dira straights (KTM better take a good look and run or take a hell of a bucket money loss) or tax evasion to compensate the take over of MV, I am rely sad.
I wish I had read this two months ago. I just took delivery today of my 2021 MV Turismo Velocé Rosso. It’s a beautiful bike and I only have one dealership in NJ here in the US that is within reasonable driving distance to service it. I hope the Pierer Group/KTM end up acquiring the brand completely after exposing discrepancies with Sardarov’s stated inventories and debts vs what KTM finds after investigating further. I think they will bring their expert business acumen and logistics expertise to increase production and expand their dealer networks here in the US especially. I just took delivery of my new bike this morning and it is absolutely beautiful!
Fingers crossed mate. i hope it does sort itself out, they are great bikes, interesting that CF Moto are now releasing a 675 Triple too, im doing a viseo at the minute, its literally just been shown at their internal party🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
@@barebonesmc CF Moto is Chinese correct? Did they steal the Triumph Triple design? I know my Triumph engine parts were manufactured in Thailand, but the engines were assembled in the UK along with the complete chassis and rest of it's components.
@@AOL0321 Yes CF Moto are Chinese, and id say it looks closer to the MV design, and they sit on the board of Pierer Mobility along with Bajaj group, and Pierer mobility have all the MV paperwork from due diligence for the buyout, the video should be up wednesday morning, there is more info, and a new 500cc 4 pot as well as the triple
Anyone who thinks Pierer Mobility care about anything but money is delusional in my book, Bajaj now own 49.999% of the shares now, and so if CF Moto shares are in agreement with decisions made by Bajaj, then whether the KTM board like it or not it is a done deal. Pierer Mobility own KTM and the rest, so time will tell i guess funny how the new 250 Triumph dirt bike engine looks identical to the KTM lol, So Bajaj build KTM's in India, sell the design of the engines to Triumph, who get Bajaj to build them. thenput an old Yamaha chassis round it hire an ex racer with a need for publicity and sell it as a new product. They are all as bad as each other at the minute i think, in some ways, CF Moto are being the more honest right now @@AOL0321
I am Italian, have 3 MVs, have raced them, have sponsored team in the Italian CIV championship, I am very close to the dealer and importer in Greece, I have attended dealer meetings in Italy and Still... first useful and reliable information about my beloved brand came from @Misterhelmet the Community should give him a massive credit for the investigative journalism he keeps doing! and thanks to @BAREBONESMC for sharing with the English speaking world!
l almost swopped my Honda VFR in for a Immaculate Brutale. By the time l arrived back home I'd very nearly convinced myself to 'go for it'... l looked up MV Agusta Spain for parts and maintenance/service .... the nearest was Barcelona or Madrid. That for me is the 'rub' l live near Alicante. l bought a Triumph Street Triple instead. Granted, not the same kudos however in terms of ease of ownership and after sales... no contest! ..besides the Triple is a great motorcycle. l owned a Bianchi, a Bevel Drive 900 SS Ducati and a Guzzi LeMans in the past. Like you l had, still have that deep rooted affection for Italian Stallions...in terms of sculptured art they have never been surpassed, ownership is a labour of love though... welcome to the real world MV Agusta...
Hola Senor :-) I do like the Triumphs, I still have a 955 Daytona, but the stupid Triumph special parts get me riled lol, 36 different stupid Triumph special tools to service the Daytona and thats not counting the software i have to use which luckily, i got the program that actually works not the one Triumph used to use lol. cheers for watching mate :-) ride free
@@barebonesmc know what you mean about special tool, but that’s the way most bikes are now. Gone are the days of an easy fix with just a good tool kit..
@@brianperry but who in their right mind would use a 2 pronged cage nut on a swingarm? the most torque sensetive part held on by a nut you cant torque properly even with the triumph special tools? and whats more they used 2 different sizes on the same bike lol. a special tool for a good reason is one thing, a crap tool designed purely and simply to make you buy it is another entirely 🙂
Fahre meine 3. MV Agusta und bin sehr zufrieden. Mein Händler in Hamburg hat auch einen neuen Vertrag und ist auch KTM Händler. Fahre eine Brutale 1000 RR. Hoffe sehr, dass alles wieder gut wird mit MV, denn es gibt kein schöneres Motorrad und es fährt auch super.
viel Glück mein Freund. Ich freue mich, dass Sie einen guten Händler haben. Ich hoffe, dass die Geschichte ein Happy End hat. Danke für den Kommentar. Gratis fahren
HUSKY & HUSABERG dirtbikes were never the same after KTM took ownership. Friends ask why I don’t like KTM, and it’s nothing personal other than bike companies had their own character and originality. Buying a company only to cheapen the already established heritage and just use KTM motors and frames whilst using different suspension, and slightly different subframes and changing engine covers to say Husky or Husaberg, doesn’t gel.....they’re still just dressed up KTMs in disguise! R.I.P. Husky & the 70 degree innovation that was Husa 😢
15:09 "So,,, where does this leave MV the brand" FOOOOOKED. 😔Sad sad times. My cousin bought the second F4 delivered to the US. White. A true work of art and fun to ride even though I am a bit too large to ride it comfortably for long.
@@barebonesmc I had to join some MV riders website to ask a question. I needed to know the part number for the seals on the Marzocchi RAC 50 forks as are on the F4. When the people in the forums dutifully asked what I was riding so they could give me the correct part number I had to respond,,, _Well,,,,, you're not going to believe this....._ 😏 Then I posted a picture of my XR1200 Harley with a set of red anodized RAC 50 forks on the front of it.😂 Almost all the responses were positive, barring a snob or two, and I eventually got the part number I needed to get them serviced. A couple of them even went so far as to call my bike a work of art. I actually think they were not just humbling me. Nice guys!😁
@@sadwingsraging3044 some communities are better than others and certainly more helpful, I do like the XR 🙂 My experience is it is hard to beat the Cagiva crew on that, the best and most helpful community ive ever come across
@@barebonesmc I'm one of those guys that doesn't care if you ride a step through scooter. I wave at ya. They take the same risks we do. Just a lot slower.🤣👍🏻
@@barebonesmc I'm one of those guys that doesn't care if you ride a step through scooter. I wave at ya. They take the same risks we do. Just a lot slower.🤣👍🏻
I've looked at the MVA dealer network in the UK (that is, England, as there are no dealers in Scotland, Wales or NI). Of the very, very few, I checked the dealer websites, and there was no mention of some of them actually selling MVAs. Most were dealers for other brands. One was a sole KTM dealer that didn't mention MVA at all. What are Russian oligarchs doing owning companies in Italy. -I thought EU rules forbade this? The people that lose in this will be the employees of MVA and the bike owners. I assume that dealers (none of whom, hopefully for them, are franchised) won't touch any new inventory from MVA, certainly won't put any money up front for non-existent bikes or parts. Prospective purchasers of the bikes should run for the hills. Sad all round, and will take a lot of time to resolve, probably at EU level, and by then the company could be dust.
a Russian oligarchs son with British Citizenship (not sure on his status in Europe but you can effectively buy citizenship by investing in property or a business. as to new dealers not being franchised, in that case they will not get any supply of bikes or cars. they have to put up the money first (over £100k in the UK) then Pierer mobility will start talking to them. Yes, all very sad. i cant believe no one mentiones the convicted fraudster thats on the board. WHY? other than for nefarious reasons, ride free my friend
MV was possibly a high performance bike in the 60s but since it became a fashion brand its worse than some Chinese bikes and terrible to try to work on. The quality of.the electrics particularly, is horrendous
MV are just to expensive for what they are, they'll always be in trouble whilst they chase this exclusivity they seem to have a dream of attaining! I've hade one, won't have another!
it might be many years ago now but it was more than a dream once, they were the most succesful race bikes ever built, cheers for watching mate, ride free
@@barebonesmc Yes, that was many years ago and many things have changed. Most other manufacturers are way ahead now. MV are nothing special yet they price point as if they are! Value for money 4/10.
It takes competition off the grid in racing. not that the grid is very representative of the brands these days anyway though i guess :-) Cheers for watching mate, and enjoy the ride :-)
Sad to see KrapTM getting their filthy hands on another brand. Another brand that they will kill. In my twenties I really wanted a KTM EXC, and before that, the original Duke. I couldn't afford it. Now I can, but I also know better.
@@smaze1782 there was a time i said the same about my Ducati. Then I would spend more time fixing it than riding it. Finally I sold it. Someone else's problem from that day onwards.
Very interesting content. Sorry to hear about MV. I like my old Italian bikes too. Have a Gilera Saturno Bialbero . A Ducati 750 F1-and an old roundbarrel guzzi. They all get ridden and make me happy.even when there are the odd niggle. Very few new bikes do much for me. Btw that mv triple 500 sounds incredible.
good question, being honest, in my opinion they will be merged with Kiska in some way. Are you an MV owner? did you see the latest video/newsflash? the story keeps unfolding
@@ChrisBrown-co9hr very sad. The Moto 2 team is pretty much dead now too. not that it was actually an MV, but money arguments mean Forward racing will not be involved whatever happens now. Let us keep our fingers crossed . ride free mate
forgive me mate but i did this a long while ago and i cant remember it all, if i made a mistake, sorry, im only human, 1 guy, no team of producers and editors, i do my best
Well MV is not about a massive production its a about passionate build. Hand and hand built you can't compare to japanese bike. May I advise to do some research where they started and how they build. Mosly the owner of this bike known more a lot the history than what we have trends right now!.
fantastic description using quantitative data of the current state of being "no more european" brand...I see the Chinese Group taking their fair share, same was for Benelli with QJ, because these European groups are complete incompetent in terms of economic management and are bleeding because of stratospheric amount of taxes...It will be a blow to the market, best guess, is a bankruptcy then MV appears in China and blow its way to the top...European market is gone, due to their ideological fanatism and corruption...go woke go broke they say...and here we are. KTM is managing because Bajaj owns more than 58% of the complete operations...
cheers for watching mate, i agree its not looking good. but if AJP, Sherco, Beta etc can do it for off road why cant someone get it right with road bikes? it is sad. enjoy the ride mate
@@barebonesmc well, to know a bit of the inside of the offroad world, Sherco is bleeding, every year the parent company (housing-land conglomerate) is pouring millions inside the company so they get afloat and they also do tax engineering at the same time (money is well spent we could say), for Beta it is owned by one of the richest family in Italy and based on the numbers I am pretty sure, they are close to even or a bit of loss. They are close to the type of treasury that was GASGAS before KTM took over. For AJP they buy some of the engines from SWM (china), not sure they do well nor wrong, they are quite invisible in terms of sales. MV problem is the gigantic abyssal costs of the structure and management, massive overheads of the design dpt, atrocious management, way too big margins for the dealers, and very poor management of stocks and inventories...the losses are unpatchable...KTM found out, and we will see a ferocious take over, MV will be led by a better management, surely the platform will change using the KTM engines to lower the costs. Kind of the same they did with Husqvarna/Husaberg/GasGas. The point is to have the name. Another strategy is to join with Loncin/QJ in a JV to lower the cost of MV production, sounds like feasible and everybody will be happy.
didnt realise sherco were on the brink @@arnauddechamps855 doesnt sound as healthy in the dirt as i thought sadly. as to more and bigger joint ventures, personally i think thats the last thing we need. wherever they are from i think we need more specialists, even if thats funded by rich families as a tax clawback. thats how MV started really anyway lol a rich mans hobby lol. cheers for watching mate and thanks for the interesting comment
im not a fan of big conglomerates at all to be honest and i do find this very sad. still cant believe that the convicted banker on the board hasnt been mentioned more lol :-) Cheers for watching mate, and enjoy the ride :-)
i hope so too, there have been more developements, i doubt they will get to the point they once were, and that it doesnt just end up as another badging exercise, i still hope 🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
without the whole team at the Cagiva Reserch Department, that sort of bike would be hard to replicate IMO. having the best team of designers and engineers and giving them a free hand to create such a masterpiece would always be a hard act to follow :-)
@@barebonesmc i blame willie g Davidson when he had MV 750 he could have punched out 1000 get rid of single side swingarm and actually have an HD,/ MV in WSBK . But greed stopped pride disgusting
Most iconic Motorcycle Brands had more trouble than now remembered somewhere in the past beeing invented and led by enthusiastic riders engineers with limited financial talent. But seeing this situation here and at the same time your video about the kove brand and ceo makes me really sad. There is a lot of money around nowadays here but no good people to do good things with it ..... just greedy f****** as*********. So if the kove story is no fake my sympathy moves to china ....sad.....
I think that about sums it all up. The exceptions are still around but getting harder to find. AJP, Sherco and Beta do it for off road riders but the street seems a bit of a let down with true specialists cheers for watching, ride free mate
there is a video "Great italian Racers" from Futura Video think from the 80s. There in at Minute 4 Sir John Surtees explains it all for me ..... remembered what he said a lot of times Thanks for Your Videos information and mindset. Regards from bavaria.
@@edivollgas719 thanks for watching my friend. Surtees was a racing god. Remembering those pearls of wisdom is something we should all do more 🙂 enjoy the ride
@@barebonesmc The original english version is "great italian gp racers" from duke video i found. There is a sniplet of it on youtube with stanley woods quoting similar at the end ...... As with all great art it needs a enthusiastic patron ,and one artist/engineer ..... Northern Italy is full of such results ..... like cathedrals and some generations later V8 Guzzis .....
I wouldn’t touch an mv. Poor dealer backup, multiple reliability issues. They’re too risky and KTM not that much better from a reliability pov! Sounds like current ownership is sufficiently dodgy at MV to make considering one a foolish decision.
@@Elkins82ify will they still have once the KTM takeover is complete though? CF Motos Warranty is better than KTM's lol. I still have hope, but i think the odds are stacked badly right now, and honestly, unless you are being dodgy, why would you have a convicted fraudster on the board? everyone seems to ignore that part
lol, thats just the autotranslation my friend 🙂 i dont say Augusta do i? and its not spelt like that anywhere 🙂 this is an older video, i have worked out a way to improve it on more recent videos
My local large KTM dealer and a friend who is CF Moto dealer ( local as in we live an hour and a half from Mattighofen) say the future dealer structure will be the offroad side seperated from the road bike side. Realistically this already how it is at least for us, a Duke has nothing to do with a 300 Gasgas and for the dealers clientele even less. And your analysis has completely ignored the influence of Bajaj Motors on KTM's activities, CF work for KTM, Bajaj IS KTM. Look further than Pierer Mobility.
Interesting perspective mate. I dont think I ignored it all all, its just more in the other video. but the MV board is not loaded with Bajaj employees. Being totally honest I dont think much more of Bajaj than I do Pierer Mobility. Corporate greed doesnt do the industry any favours. The likelyhood is that CRC will now be merged with Kiska and so we will loose that design expertise, and even more bikes will come out looking like theyve been hit on the nose too many times :-) :-) Cheers for watching mate, ride free
Corporate greed produces around 5000 motorcycles per day that people want and buy, nostalgia produces nothing leaving a trail of debt and broken dreams. The most likely result (if Pierer Bajaj actually go through with it) would be joining the retro-wave using the MV brand for restyled Bajaj products, MV has nothing else KTM would want or need.
@@jimtitt3571 you see thats where i have the problem. theres enough versions of the various KTMs already, we dont need or want any more, and honestly do you really think Bajaj make anything worthy of carrying the MV Agusta name? CRC have some of the most fantastic designers too, there is a whole bunch of companies that have grown up around the MV brand. We loose that expertise. how many versions of the 790 adventure do people really want? cheers for watching anyway, we are allowed to have different opinions, enjoy the ride
@@barebonesmc Pierer says that KTM will not build more than two cylinder machines and wants a three cylinder platform, he abandoned moves to buy Triumph after Brexit and Ducati is unobtainable so MV is about the only option. He is dumping the Explorer project and MV will only be in big bikes. CRC will be integrated into Kiska but remain in Italy. The logical move would be MV producing triples in competition with Triumph and the Japanese and with an RC16 derived V4 against the Panigale, an MV winning races should be good news after fifty years!
@@jimtitt3571 thats an optimistic take on it all 🙂 you say they wont build more than 2 cylinder machines but then go on to contradict that. KTM are already producing a V4 in the RC16 for Moto GP, so why would they not use that engine as a base for a road going Superbike as you said? and if all that was the plan then why register a new company as MV Agusta Gmbh? i hope you are right but the story doesnt fit together and the dealer network does seem in dissaray
Thank you very much for this video as I WAS in the process of buying a new MV Agusta Brutale 800 RR. It will be cancelled today.
I think its a gamble at the minute which is sad. If you know the dealers and trust them then see what they have to say about the latest developments, some will carry on, but production of bikes and parts is woeful at the minute . Cheers for watching mate, and enjoy the ride
@@barebonesmc Couldn’t get any comments regarding this from my local dealership. Suggested they watch this. They were reluctant at first to refund my deposit at first. Thanks to this video they eventually did. Thanks to you. 👍😎🇦🇺
@@marcusgeorge1825 Thats amazing mate, Im glad it helped, thats made my day
I'm a KTM dealer in the US, in fact I was one of the first in the country with all 3 brands. I grandfathered in as I had Husaberg and was a legacy Gas Gas dealer. It's been pretty quiet here on the future of MV in the US. To be honest they have never had much of a presence in the US market. Their dealer network of actual stocking dealers for all practical purposes had become non existent. So they are pretty much starting from scratch here. I told them I was interested in MV as I am an enthusiast was well as dealer. Given Pierer's previous history with acquisitions I doubt he overpays and will most like get another brand for pennies on the dollar. They have been given some pushback in the past with Husqvarna because they got rid of its "Italian" heritage but lets face it, their true heritage was Swedish and that went away in the 80's. Ironically that brand was driven to its former self by Cagiva and the Castiglioni's also. The Castiglioni's made some great motorcycles and had great passion but their business acumen was lacking. I think KTM ends up getting them and I think everything stays in Italy with Austrian direction. I say that because look at what they have done with Gas Gas trials. Kept the engineers on and built a new factory in Barcelona and kept the Spanish trials heritage. I think they know that the Italian heritage is important to that brand. Possibly the only platform that goes away is the Adventure bike. Pierer has already made a public statement that he did not think adventure bikes were a MV Agusta thing and he's not wrong.
sorry mate i had missed this comment, thanks for adding it. Did you get anywhere? are they asking for the same huge investment over there that they are here? If you look on the channel you will see some of my Cagiva history lol, and yes ill admit the Castiglioni's were flawed, but they did save much of the European motorcycle industry, so credit given where it is due. cheers for your comment
@@barebonesmc Yes the Castiglioni's were a big part of saving European brands. The whole Cagiva story is pretty amazing. So far its still quite. Only a few dealers are being set up here. I've heard nothing about what they will be wanting to set up yet.
@@dg1019 i know here they are wanting a fortune, i worry that it will just end up with big multi brand franchises that are little more than sales rooms that do servicingv and repairs on a replace a refit model. but there is more about it in the video im doing that will be out wednesday to be honest 🙂 the story keeps evolving, have a great day mate
I love MV agusta, they are my favorite motorcycle brand. I wish they would sort all this out and get back to making good bikes. It is so sad to see them getting things from China. I want them to bring the F4 back and also bring it back In a 750. I currently own an f4 750. My best wishes to MV. Hope it all goes smooth.
agree entirely mate (you will enjoy the next video up later this week) although I think they should stick with the 750 triple personally 🙂 cheers for watching . Ride Free
This all sounds about right for 'corporate giant' type business. I spent a 40 year career in and around the construction industry watching these sorts of shenanigans.
its all too common everywhere now i think. corporate greed seems to have no limits. cheers for watching
I bought an MV 800 Turismo Lusso, awesome bike, no regrets. Parts are available on the internet, I do my own maintenance so no worries. The 800 triple motor is fast and sounds fantastic, and it’s an MV looks stunning, handles like a dream. No regrets ……😀😀👍👍👍🏍🏍🏍🏍😎
Im glad you are doing ok on the parts mate. enjoy it. fantastic bikes :-)
I was a fanatic for Italian motorcycles once.
Then I bought a Ducati and I was cured. What a cure that Ducati was. Japan has my full attention and no Italian stamp on my passport ever again.
Laverdas have been my disease 🙂 Im still suffering lol cheers for watching mate
OK. and I bought Japanese bikes for years, but once I experienced Italian bikes I've never purchased another Japanese bike.
@@rlsedition I have, but ill admit ive bought more Italians. Just not maybe the ones most people think about and they arent very new 🙂
@@rlsedition ok. I bought Japanese bikes. And once I bought an Italian bike, I learned my lesson and I have never purchased another bike that wasn't Japanese.
@@barebonesmc I wanted a vespa too, but that idiot refused to sell it to me.
It's been the pattern for well over 20 years now. It took Ducati a long time to get over the Castiglioni Brothers management style.
you cant blame the Castiglioni's for the mess the Sardarov has made, They had their flaws but without them the European industry might well be dead by now. And having a convicted fraudster on the board is never a good idea IMO, 🙂 Cheers for watching mate, Ride Free
@@barebonesmc I wasn't passing judgement, just making an observation from the point of view of an interested consumer of the products.
@@presstodelete1165 i didnt take it like that mate, sorry if my reply came across like i had. and i do think the induxtry needs the sort of passion the Castiglionis brought to the table, enjoy your day mate
What a brilliantly researched and erudite video! And very sad too, but from my time in the international corporate world, unsurprising.
I can't see Pierer Group investing any money in a company where the liabilities far exceed the physical assets and the management is persona non grata with the Italian authorities, unless...
What is very valuable is the MV brand and associated sales potential. By buying and collapsing the Spanish registered company, Pierer Group acquires all of the tooling, technical IP and the brand, whilst potentially avoiding the debts.
But if they need Italian workers for final assembly work, having shipped all manufacturing to QJ Motors in China, Pierer Group must have the Italian authorities and unions on-side.
My guess is that this is what will happen. Sardarov will be got rid of (easy to do) and the new company will run global R&D, sales & marketing through the KTM infrastructure, whilst making everything in China.
Mr Castiglioni will struggle to sue a defunct company and despite what some die-hards say, the world is getting used to Chinese manufacturers behind well-respected brands. Conveniently, this is especially true in Italy, where the Benelli TRK 502 is a massive seller.
cheers mate, and as usual you are on point. I imagine the Italian authorities will welcome Piere Mobility in to be honest, money opens doors as they say 🙂
Dare we also say the bikes are better than what was forced upon us before. Chinese bikes with heritage names.
I have a MV Agusta rush I was going to drive 500 miles to drop it off tomorrow at the Mv agusta shop in Indianapolis usa (Tom Woods Powersports). After seeing this video I called them and was told they are no longer servicing MV Agusta. So I called Moto Union in Milwaukee and was told their license was pulled because they didn't agree to sell KTM. None of the KTM dealerships I called within hours of me, know anything. 😠
I'm sorry mate, thats terrible. Over here the KTM dealers are saying they arent doing it. It only seems like Sardarov saying they will in public. Pulling the old dealer network before getting something set to replace it leaves all the owners in a crap position. Not knowing is the worst thing. If i hear any news i will post it, cheers for watching. sorry i didnt have better news
Hi mate, just had a call with UK director of one of the big dealers and there is news, but check the biggest MV dealers you can find and there should be a solution. Ill put a short video together as soon as I can as I did get more info. The crap bit is the dealers have known since january and they arent letting people know, there is a critical date in june here, not sure of the equivalent date there but summer will be the cut off, fingers crossed
5:20 That's one hundred thousand euros per month, obviously, not per week.
yep sorry, i do try, but i hadnt even noticed that slip of the tongue 🙂
I own a MV F4 312RR and a Ducati V2 Bayliss Edition. The MV is my pride and joy. It's just so stunning. I just hope they get their shit together under KTM, just as Ducati have thrived under the VW group. Thanks, very interesting video.
theyve STILL not got rid of the convicted fraudster off the board yet though, and i obviously have different ideas to you about the impact of big corporate interests, and if we all thought the same it would be a boring world mate, 🙂Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂
Hey mate feeling your pain, I ended up after a long Japanese then Italian motorcycle journey owning and keeping a couple of MVs.
Nothing truely classic as such, just a couple of reborn MVs firstly a wonderfully beautiful turbine smooth F4 750 s and then a mad Brutale 800 triple. A chap once said that riding an MV is like being shot out of a cannon on a plank of wood with the howl of an F1 car filling your senses 😂 I can confirm this is pretty accurate. I pretty much have lived on a trickle of overseas aftermarket parts for years getting the bikes serviced has always been a challenge here in Oz. I think MV has positioned itself lately as a fashion brand, no longer a serious industry innovator driven by performance technical excellence and intense passion. luckily it’s still embodied in the older machines, question is how long can I keep them running. I’d be interested in your thoughts on the oncoming electric revolution in performance motorcycles. I wonder if MV is one of the early casualties of this next great industrial disruption.
Very much enjoy your work thanks for your efforts 👍
what a lovely compliment mate cheers, as to the electric revolution, its a complex one, much more complex than most manufacturers would have us believe i think, A- i dont think the tech is there in terms of batteries yet, B- i think there are better options but they wont explore hydrogen splitters because they cant monetise the fuel, C- as always its usually about the money and generating needless new sales. having said that, even the idea of a lightning 218 scares the daylights out of me, and the level of the race bikes is just bonkers, ive seen the swingarm that the notts university lads built for their TT race bike and its unbelievable, controlling that much torque is an engineering nightmare, is that fair? 🙂 cheers for watching mate, have a great day
It sums up what s wrong with just about anything you need or want these days, ruined by some greedy scammer Govt constantly excuse
im not arguing on that one lol
Nicely done sir!
cheers mate
As sound as it's sound, I remember bsck in in the 80's, my father buying a MV 350S, The dealership said Honda and the other Japanise manufactures would not let him sell thier M/C's as he had not the capital to support a dealership. But MV did approve him as long as he could sell 2 bikes a month!! (I did some work for this dealership for a very short time), but MV as it turned out had less cash than the dealers. Yes they were broke even then, even with the restart of MV and the much better financil situation of MV in the 2000's it's was never going to last too long! So I not suprised MV is in dira straights (KTM better take a good look and run or take a hell of a bucket money loss) or tax evasion to compensate the take over of MV, I am rely sad.
sad indeed. cheers for watching mate, have a great day
I wish I had read this two months ago. I just took delivery today of my 2021 MV Turismo Velocé Rosso. It’s a beautiful bike and I only have one dealership in NJ here in the US that is within reasonable driving distance to service it. I hope the Pierer Group/KTM end up acquiring the brand completely after exposing discrepancies with Sardarov’s stated inventories and debts vs what KTM finds after investigating further. I think they will bring their expert business acumen and logistics expertise to increase production and expand their dealer networks here in the US especially.
I just took delivery of my new bike this morning and it is absolutely beautiful!
Fingers crossed mate. i hope it does sort itself out, they are great bikes, interesting that CF Moto are now releasing a 675 Triple too, im doing a viseo at the minute, its literally just been shown at their internal party🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
@@barebonesmc CF Moto is Chinese correct? Did they steal the Triumph Triple design? I know my Triumph engine parts were manufactured in Thailand, but the engines were assembled in the UK along with the complete chassis and rest of it's components.
@@AOL0321 Yes CF Moto are Chinese, and id say it looks closer to the MV design, and they sit on the board of Pierer Mobility along with Bajaj group, and Pierer mobility have all the MV paperwork from due diligence for the buyout, the video should be up wednesday morning, there is more info, and a new 500cc 4 pot as well as the triple
@@barebonesmc Not happy about the CF Moto sitting on a European Board of Directors! They are training their future competition. What idiots!
Anyone who thinks Pierer Mobility care about anything but money is delusional in my book, Bajaj now own 49.999% of the shares now, and so if CF Moto shares are in agreement with decisions made by Bajaj, then whether the KTM board like it or not it is a done deal. Pierer Mobility own KTM and the rest, so time will tell i guess funny how the new 250 Triumph dirt bike engine looks identical to the KTM lol, So Bajaj build KTM's in India, sell the design of the engines to Triumph, who get Bajaj to build them. thenput an old Yamaha chassis round it hire an ex racer with a need for publicity and sell it as a new product. They are all as bad as each other at the minute i think, in some ways, CF Moto are being the more honest right now @@AOL0321
Well done and thanks for the mention
No problem 👍 thanks for the info you found. ride free my friend
if you need them the Italian subtitles are up now. hope it has translated ok. have a good evening mate
@@barebonesmc No thanks I do speak english
@@misterhelmet Better than I speak Italian I am sure 🙂
I am Italian, have 3 MVs, have raced them, have sponsored team in the Italian CIV championship, I am very close to the dealer and importer in Greece, I have attended dealer meetings in Italy and Still... first useful and reliable information about my beloved brand came from @Misterhelmet the Community should give him a massive credit for the investigative journalism he keeps doing! and thanks to @BAREBONESMC for sharing with the English speaking world!
l almost swopped my Honda VFR in for a Immaculate Brutale. By the time l arrived back home I'd very nearly convinced myself to 'go for it'... l looked up MV Agusta Spain for parts and maintenance/service .... the nearest was Barcelona or Madrid. That for me is the 'rub' l live near Alicante. l bought a Triumph Street Triple instead. Granted, not the same kudos however in terms of ease of ownership and after sales... no contest! ..besides the Triple is a great motorcycle. l owned a Bianchi, a Bevel Drive 900 SS Ducati and a Guzzi LeMans in the past. Like you l had, still have that deep rooted affection for Italian Stallions...in terms of sculptured art they have never been surpassed, ownership is a labour of love though... welcome to the real world MV Agusta...
Hola Senor :-) I do like the Triumphs, I still have a 955 Daytona, but the stupid Triumph special parts get me riled lol, 36 different stupid Triumph special tools to service the Daytona and thats not counting the software i have to use which luckily, i got the program that actually works not the one Triumph used to use lol. cheers for watching mate :-) ride free
@@barebonesmc know what you mean about special tool, but that’s the way most bikes are now. Gone are the days of an easy fix with just a good tool kit..
@@brianperry but who in their right mind would use a 2 pronged cage nut on a swingarm? the most torque sensetive part held on by a nut you cant torque properly even with the triumph special tools? and whats more they used 2 different sizes on the same bike lol. a special tool for a good reason is one thing, a crap tool designed purely and simply to make you buy it is another entirely 🙂
Fahre meine 3. MV Agusta und bin sehr zufrieden. Mein Händler in Hamburg hat auch einen neuen Vertrag und ist auch KTM Händler.
Fahre eine Brutale 1000 RR.
Hoffe sehr, dass alles wieder gut wird mit MV, denn es gibt kein schöneres Motorrad und es fährt auch super.
viel Glück mein Freund. Ich freue mich, dass Sie einen guten Händler haben. Ich hoffe, dass die Geschichte ein Happy End hat. Danke für den Kommentar. Gratis fahren
HUSKY & HUSABERG dirtbikes were never the same after KTM took ownership. Friends ask why I don’t like KTM, and it’s nothing personal other than bike companies had their own character and originality. Buying a company only to cheapen the already established heritage and just use KTM motors and frames whilst using different suspension, and slightly different subframes and changing engine covers to say Husky or Husaberg, doesn’t gel.....they’re still just dressed up KTMs in disguise!
R.I.P. Husky & the 70 degree innovation that was Husa 😢
it was a sad day that the Bergs went, class bikes, the " if you cant beat them, BUY THEM " approach
Would hate to see the end of MV Augusta. Maybe KTM can do for them what Audi did for Lambo.
would be nice i guess in some ways, but all i can see at the minute is lots of duplication in different dresses lol
Great video (if tragic story)…I was considering purchasing MV, not now.
It is all a bit sad, and when something becomes just about the money it never ends well. Cheers for watching mate. Ride Free 🙂
Great investigating! Greed of the rich never stops. KTM is evil!
Cheers for watching mate :-) i do find it sad that 2 once great brands appear to be being ruined by corporate greed. enjoy the ride
Very sad, I'm afraid the end is near for MV as we knew it.
sadly you are probably right 😞Cheers for watching mate. Ride Free 🙂
15:09 "So,,, where does this leave MV the brand"
FOOOOOKED.
😔Sad sad times. My cousin bought the second F4 delivered to the US. White. A true work of art and fun to ride even though I am a bit too large to ride it comfortably for long.
sadly it is sounding more and more like it
@@barebonesmc I had to join some MV riders website to ask a question. I needed to know the part number for the seals on the Marzocchi RAC 50 forks as are on the F4. When the people in the forums dutifully asked what I was riding so they could give me the correct part number I had to respond,,,
_Well,,,,, you're not going to believe this....._ 😏
Then I posted a picture of my XR1200 Harley with a set of red anodized RAC 50 forks on the front of it.😂 Almost all the responses were positive, barring a snob or two, and I eventually got the part number I needed to get them serviced. A couple of them even went so far as to call my bike a work of art. I actually think they were not just humbling me. Nice guys!😁
@@sadwingsraging3044 some communities are better than others and certainly more helpful, I do like the XR 🙂 My experience is it is hard to beat the Cagiva crew on that, the best and most helpful community ive ever come across
@@barebonesmc I'm one of those guys that doesn't care if you ride a step through scooter. I wave at ya. They take the same risks we do. Just a lot slower.🤣👍🏻
@@barebonesmc I'm one of those guys that doesn't care if you ride a step through scooter. I wave at ya. They take the same risks we do. Just a lot slower.🤣👍🏻
I've looked at the MVA dealer network in the UK (that is, England, as there are no dealers in Scotland, Wales or NI). Of the very, very few, I checked the dealer websites, and there was no mention of some of them actually selling MVAs. Most were dealers for other brands. One was a sole KTM dealer that didn't mention MVA at all. What are Russian oligarchs doing owning companies in Italy. -I thought EU rules forbade this? The people that lose in this will be the employees of MVA and the bike owners. I assume that dealers (none of whom, hopefully for them, are franchised) won't touch any new inventory from MVA, certainly won't put any money up front for non-existent bikes or parts. Prospective purchasers of the bikes should run for the hills. Sad all round, and will take a lot of time to resolve, probably at EU level, and by then the company could be dust.
a Russian oligarchs son with British Citizenship (not sure on his status in Europe but you can effectively buy citizenship by investing in property or a business. as to new dealers not being franchised, in that case they will not get any supply of bikes or cars. they have to put up the money first (over £100k in the UK) then Pierer mobility will start talking to them. Yes, all very sad. i cant believe no one mentiones the convicted fraudster thats on the board. WHY? other than for nefarious reasons, ride free my friend
MV was possibly a high performance bike in the 60s but since it became a fashion brand its worse than some Chinese bikes and terrible to try to work on. The quality of.the electrics particularly, is horrendous
sad times
I'd love a $6000 Chinese MVF4.
lol, somehow i think youll be waitng a while :-)
How many ways can we say corporate corruption and deception ??
a few im sure lol, 🙂 Cheers for watching mate, Have a great day
MV are just to expensive for what they are, they'll always be in trouble whilst they chase this exclusivity they seem to have a dream of attaining!
I've hade one, won't have another!
it might be many years ago now but it was more than a dream once, they were the most succesful race bikes ever built, cheers for watching mate, ride free
@@barebonesmc
Yes, that was many years ago and many things have changed. Most other manufacturers are way ahead now. MV are nothing special yet they price point as if they are! Value for money 4/10.
@@adolfshitler id like to argue otherwise, but.................... 🙂
Sounds like a total disappointment. I can't see why KTM would be worried about MV Augusta as there is little in comparison between the motorcycles.
It takes competition off the grid in racing. not that the grid is very representative of the brands these days anyway though i guess :-) Cheers for watching mate, and enjoy the ride :-)
Sad to see KrapTM getting their filthy hands on another brand. Another brand that they will kill. In my twenties I really wanted a KTM EXC, and before that, the original Duke. I couldn't afford it. Now I can, but I also know better.
cheers for watching and adding your piece mate, ride free
My Duke 890r is certainly not crap I can assure you that. Amazing motorcycle.
@@smaze1782 there was a time i said the same about my Ducati. Then I would spend more time fixing it than riding it. Finally I sold it. Someone else's problem from that day onwards.
Very interesting content. Sorry to hear about MV. I like my old Italian bikes too. Have a Gilera Saturno Bialbero . A Ducati 750 F1-and an old roundbarrel guzzi. They all get ridden and make me happy.even when there are the odd niggle. Very few new bikes do much for me. Btw that mv triple 500 sounds incredible.
@@paulred158 I have an old Laverda SF2 ive been rebuilding from boxes and a Pegaso Cube now. and yep, the MV sounds as good as it gets i think 🙂
What about CRC? Is it going away?
good question, being honest, in my opinion they will be merged with Kiska in some way. Are you an MV owner? did you see the latest video/newsflash? the story keeps unfolding
@@barebonesmc Yes, I own 2 MV's a Rush and a Brutale 1090RR. Yes, I saw the news flash. What a mess this whole thing is turning into. Sad really....
@@ChrisBrown-co9hr very sad. The Moto 2 team is pretty much dead now too. not that it was actually an MV, but money arguments mean Forward racing will not be involved whatever happens now. Let us keep our fingers crossed . ride free mate
Research has flows: 3,6 million euro for 3 years equals 100 k per month and not per week
forgive me mate but i did this a long while ago and i cant remember it all, if i made a mistake, sorry, im only human, 1 guy, no team of producers and editors, i do my best
No worries. 50% of all companies, worldwide, will be gone in 5 years.
and i thought i was a cynic lol -Cheers for watching mate 🙂 Ride Free
Don't know much about MV, but there bikes are hugely expensive, and surely can't sell anywhere near as much as the japanese bikes
always was a niche product. but its not all about how many you sell for me, Cheers for watching mate, enjoy the ride :-)
Well MV is not about a massive production its a about passionate build. Hand and hand built you can't compare to japanese bike. May I advise to do some research where they started and how they build. Mosly the owner of this bike known more a lot the history than what we have trends right now!.
fantastic description using quantitative data of the current state of being "no more european" brand...I see the Chinese Group taking their fair share, same was for Benelli with QJ, because these European groups are complete incompetent in terms of economic management and are bleeding because of stratospheric amount of taxes...It will be a blow to the market, best guess, is a bankruptcy then MV appears in China and blow its way to the top...European market is gone, due to their ideological fanatism and corruption...go woke go broke they say...and here we are. KTM is managing because Bajaj owns more than 58% of the complete operations...
cheers for watching mate, i agree its not looking good. but if AJP, Sherco, Beta etc can do it for off road why cant someone get it right with road bikes? it is sad. enjoy the ride mate
@@barebonesmc well, to know a bit of the inside of the offroad world, Sherco is bleeding, every year the parent company (housing-land conglomerate) is pouring millions inside the company so they get afloat and they also do tax engineering at the same time (money is well spent we could say), for Beta it is owned by one of the richest family in Italy and based on the numbers I am pretty sure, they are close to even or a bit of loss. They are close to the type of treasury that was GASGAS before KTM took over.
For AJP they buy some of the engines from SWM (china), not sure they do well nor wrong, they are quite invisible in terms of sales.
MV problem is the gigantic abyssal costs of the structure and management, massive overheads of the design dpt, atrocious management, way too big margins for the dealers, and very poor management of stocks and inventories...the losses are unpatchable...KTM found out, and we will see a ferocious take over, MV will be led by a better management, surely the platform will change using the KTM engines to lower the costs. Kind of the same they did with Husqvarna/Husaberg/GasGas. The point is to have the name.
Another strategy is to join with Loncin/QJ in a JV to lower the cost of MV production, sounds like feasible and everybody will be happy.
didnt realise sherco were on the brink @@arnauddechamps855 doesnt sound as healthy in the dirt as i thought sadly. as to more and bigger joint ventures, personally i think thats the last thing we need. wherever they are from i think we need more specialists, even if thats funded by rich families as a tax clawback. thats how MV started really anyway lol a rich mans hobby lol. cheers for watching mate and thanks for the interesting comment
ktm killer of sector I think, they killed husqvarna and legendary nuda and then this..
im not a fan of big conglomerates at all to be honest and i do find this very sad. still cant believe that the convicted banker on the board hasnt been mentioned more lol :-) Cheers for watching mate, and enjoy the ride :-)
Yeah so like any big corporation taking over. A la Amazon buying up competition. 😢
So yes . Personally I think they’re done ✅ 😂
im still hoping, but hot hopeful, Cheers for watching mate, enjoy the ride
Hopefully you are wrong, and we get to see MV survive.
i hope so too, there have been more developements, i doubt they will get to the point they once were, and that it doesnt just end up as another badging exercise, i still hope 🙂Cheers for watching and for the comment mate. Ride Free 🙂
Such a shame....
indeed , cheers for watching mate, enjoy the ride
They went backwards after the 750. In Design i mean .
without the whole team at the Cagiva Reserch Department, that sort of bike would be hard to replicate IMO. having the best team of designers and engineers and giving them a free hand to create such a masterpiece would always be a hard act to follow :-)
@@barebonesmc i blame willie g Davidson when he had MV 750 he could have punched out 1000 get rid of single side swingarm and actually have an HD,/ MV in WSBK . But greed stopped pride disgusting
@@stewart8127 cheers for adding your thoughts mate, i think anyone would have had trouble improving on the original design though
Most iconic Motorcycle Brands had more trouble than now remembered somewhere in the past beeing invented and led by enthusiastic riders engineers with limited financial talent. But seeing this situation here and at the same time your video about the kove brand and ceo makes me really sad. There is a lot of money around nowadays here but no good people to do good things with it ..... just greedy f****** as*********.
So if the kove story is no fake my sympathy moves to china ....sad.....
I think that about sums it all up. The exceptions are still around but getting harder to find. AJP, Sherco and Beta do it for off road riders but the street seems a bit of a let down with true specialists
cheers for watching, ride free mate
there is a video "Great italian Racers" from Futura Video think from the 80s.
There in at Minute 4 Sir John Surtees explains it all for me ..... remembered what he said a lot of times
Thanks for Your Videos information and mindset.
Regards from bavaria.
@@edivollgas719 thanks for watching my friend. Surtees was a racing god. Remembering those pearls of wisdom is something we should all do more 🙂 enjoy the ride
@@edivollgas719 struggling to find the video but ill get there :-) wanna see what he said 🙂
@@barebonesmc
The original english version is "great italian gp racers" from duke video i found.
There is a sniplet of it on youtube with stanley woods quoting similar at the end ......
As with all great art it needs a enthusiastic patron ,and one artist/engineer .....
Northern Italy is full of such results ..... like cathedrals and some generations later V8 Guzzis .....
I wouldn’t touch an mv. Poor dealer backup, multiple reliability issues. They’re too risky and KTM not that much better from a reliability pov! Sounds like current ownership is sufficiently dodgy at MV to make considering one a foolish decision.
i wish i could disagree mate🙂Cheers for watching . Ride Free 🙂
All new MV’s have a 3 year warranty with unlimited miles
@@Elkins82ify will they still have once the KTM takeover is complete though? CF Motos Warranty is better than KTM's lol. I still have hope, but i think the odds are stacked badly right now, and honestly, unless you are being dodgy, why would you have a convicted fraudster on the board? everyone seems to ignore that part
It’s not Augusta!! It’s Agusta!!
lol, thats just the autotranslation my friend 🙂 i dont say Augusta do i? and its not spelt like that anywhere 🙂 this is an older video, i have worked out a way to improve it on more recent videos
My local large KTM dealer and a friend who is CF Moto dealer ( local as in we live an hour and a half from Mattighofen) say the future dealer structure will be the offroad side seperated from the road bike side. Realistically this already how it is at least for us, a Duke has nothing to do with a 300 Gasgas and for the dealers clientele even less. And your analysis has completely ignored the influence of Bajaj Motors on KTM's activities, CF work for KTM, Bajaj IS KTM. Look further than Pierer Mobility.
Interesting perspective mate. I dont think I ignored it all all, its just more in the other video. but the MV board is not loaded with Bajaj employees. Being totally honest I dont think much more of Bajaj than I do Pierer Mobility. Corporate greed doesnt do the industry any favours. The likelyhood is that CRC will now be merged with Kiska and so we will loose that design expertise, and even more bikes will come out looking like theyve been hit on the nose too many times :-) :-) Cheers for watching mate, ride free
Corporate greed produces around 5000 motorcycles per day that people want and buy, nostalgia produces nothing leaving a trail of debt and broken dreams.
The most likely result (if Pierer Bajaj actually go through with it) would be joining the retro-wave using the MV brand for restyled Bajaj products, MV has nothing else KTM would want or need.
@@jimtitt3571 you see thats where i have the problem. theres enough versions of the various KTMs already, we dont need or want any more, and honestly do you really think Bajaj make anything worthy of carrying the MV Agusta name? CRC have some of the most fantastic designers too, there is a whole bunch of companies that have grown up around the MV brand. We loose that expertise. how many versions of the 790 adventure do people really want? cheers for watching anyway, we are allowed to have different opinions, enjoy the ride
@@barebonesmc Pierer says that KTM will not build more than two cylinder machines and wants a three cylinder platform, he abandoned moves to buy Triumph after Brexit and Ducati is unobtainable so MV is about the only option. He is dumping the Explorer project and MV will only be in big bikes. CRC will be integrated into Kiska but remain in Italy. The logical move would be MV producing triples in competition with Triumph and the Japanese and with an RC16 derived V4 against the Panigale, an MV winning races should be good news after fifty years!
@@jimtitt3571 thats an optimistic take on it all 🙂 you say they wont build more than 2 cylinder machines but then go on to contradict that. KTM are already producing a V4 in the RC16 for Moto GP, so why would they not use that engine as a base for a road going Superbike as you said? and if all that was the plan then why register a new company as MV Agusta Gmbh? i hope you are right but the story doesnt fit together and the dealer network does seem in dissaray
Well you should know of what persuasion these people are & to F--k things up is their religeon.
lol, harsh but............. :-) Cheers for watching mate and thanks for the comment, enjoy your weekend
Vastly overrated bikes for the cost .
🙂Cheers for watching mate. Ride Free 🙂
The audio really bothers me….
mate, i had only just started editing videos when this was done, check out the newer ones and youll hear the difference :-)
Is this a robot talking or a real person
that was before i got a better mic lol, ive got a fair few metal components but im no robot lol