CO2 Tables | Why they are not useful
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- CO2 tables are an old school way to train, yet the most popular form of breath hold training. Harry Discusses why they are not a particularly useful for training CO2 tolerance.
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I am relieved to watch this video. I have been trying to work with these traditional tables on and off since April and I’ve got precisely nowhere. About to watch your other vids
How did your training go?
Been saying this for years....
Amazing to hear someone else putting out sensible info.
Zany Tables, Crazy Tables & Lazy tables are the way to go!
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Thanks Marcus, all the best from Dahab
Thank you, I appreciate the thorough explanation. I’ll definitely incorporate this more thoughtful approach into my training.
I've only been using a CO2 table for a few days now, and I have the exact opposite view of it that you do. I try to relax with it and experience the breath, I'm not being anxious about the discomfort, I want to be more comfortable with the discomfort so that I can adjust to it better.
Keep going then 🙂
Haha love the thumbnail! Thanks for the video, will adapt my training now.
Great Tips !!
Smart insights, Harry. Common sense. So important to keep workouts shorter staring the “fight stage” much earlier. Personalized tables is the smarter way to progress, you can only achieve it with time, taking notes after each workout and learning about your body and mind reactions to each stimulus. One breath CO2 tables in DYN are my favorite. Keep up the good work, love your channel. Cheers! 🤿🐟
Thanks Antonio, yes we can hopefully start to get a little more inventive with our training.
As a Spearo, I do CO2 training to help my body deal with the struggle stage in dynamic situations. I will ride a stationary bike at a gentle pace and breathe for 30 sec/hold for 30 sec; breathe for 25/hold for 35; and so on until I breathe for 10-15 and hold for 50-45 while riding the bike. For me, the co2 training is important because it teaches you how to deal with the struggle phase by giving you (yourself) tools you can use to help mitigate the negative effects of the struggle. For example: when deep in the struggle phase I imagine a pulsating white light penetrating my body in rhythm with my heart and focus on slowing that rhythm down. I also focus on my face and middle back muscles; contracting and relaxing them to trick my body into thinking the tough part is over and that I overcame it. CO2 training also helps me with getting more activity out of a single breath, which is essential for a Spearo. My goal is not to hold for a long time; it's to hold for a long time while swimming, stalking, and wrestling fish out of holes while still being able to make it back to the surface. Therefore, in my opinion CO2 training is important for spearfishers because it trains them to get more out of their dynamic apnea.
Thanks for the comment.
I absolutely agree that CO2 training is an important part of anyone who breath holds training.
The point of this video was to try and move people away from classical CO2 tables. Like you are doing.
Best of luck with your spearfishing.
Thanks Harry another well thought out video. I employed your recommendation on how to train co2 from your last video and its really working for me. Your tools are practical and innovative! :D
Thanks Laura, its working for me too 😂
Thanks for sharing!! Very useful info🙏🏼🙏🏼
Very nicely put. Makes a lot of sense. I came across your video while looking into starting some apnea tables training. I may still do as I am new to this type of breathwork but will definitely follow your work.
Thanks, good luck with your training
Awesome.
I have been wondering about this exact thing for a while now.
Thank you for this video!
I'm happy I was able to clear things up for you
Thanks for the clear explanation. I like your emphasis on getting comfortable / relaxation.
I had adjusted some CO2 Tables and been doing them Residual Volume in the hope of exploring/expanding my comfort, saving time, and building my CO2 tolerance. But I went back and watched your RV Training video and in it you mentioned the RV apnea walk as good O2 training rather than CO2 training.
What is the specific difference between the two?
Which variables matter?
Work load,
Time increment,
Lung Volume,
(I assume the daily exposure is what aids the adaptations)
Example:
Farmers carry 45lb plate in each hand,
vs Apnea walk
vs RV apnea walk
vs apnic Farmers Carry
vs RV Farmers Carry
That's a complicated one to answer. Maybe a video is the best way to explain. I will put one together soon 🙂
Thank you for sharing this very valuable insight.
I am very surprised that Aida teaches CO2 Tables w/o mentioning the schema you show and explain. I suppose that other systems (ssi and so on) unfortunately do the same. The dinosaurs still live it seems!
Same logic in musculation. The same rest time between series, so that you can compare them. Useful to have the same basement for the start.
Very good. Thank you
Your welcome
It make alot of sense to me, sounds like training easy and small but it's about consistency and getting used to it as part of natural routine to build up more tolerance
I do also this with calisthenics, I used to train hard then I start to give up after couple months of hard training, then I started to train small but a lot that saved me more time for the rest of day and I didnt have to think about muscle fatigue anymore and the result is pretty much better I got more gains
I find the same for my training. The most important thing is consistency.
I don’t have much time during the day because of work and such. Would you say that doing let’s say 2.5 minutes breath hold twice everyday is good enough to train or at least good enough so I won’t lose my ability to hold my breath?
It depends on what your max is. But 2.5 will keep a lot fresh in your mind and it won't then take as much time to build up holds when you need to do a max
@@freedivepassion9498 sorry I’m responding just now, UA-cam didn’t notify me 😅
Let’s say that hypothetically my max is 2.5, will doing it twice a day prevent me from forgetting how to do that?
It is true that this is the most common CO2 table out there and also that most people tend to look for answers in CO2 tables, but there are 100's tables out there you picked on the oldest one one there is. Every training tool is useless unless it is used correctly and there is time and place also for this table.
What would you say is the right time for this table?
@@freedivepassion9498 This table is good for beginners who are just starting to learn breathing for Freediving. Also just discovering their Urge to breathe and contractions. However every person is different and therefore every person might not benefit from this table.
Why do you think it's good to make a given time more difficult for a beginner to achieve by cutting down on recovery?
Idk man, I started at 47 seconds max breath hold time a few days ago... through co2 tables I just broke 2 minutes... definitely not impressive by any means but co2 tables have worked for me
If you don't train breath holds at all, then almost any breath hold training done regularly will create improvements. The question is is the the optimal way to reach your goals.
The human body adapts. Your 45 to 2 min was because you trained, not because you trained co2. One you get I to the 3.5 4.5+ range, the game becomes a lot different. You just broke through the first barrier, which happens quick no matter what breath training you do.
Your proposed system sounds much more reasonable than the CO2 tables
It requires a calmed and active observation of your sensations while being in apnea
On the long run is, for sure, much more challenging and exciting. But maybe it is not for eveyone...
In the beginning:
Are your saying that your table would be 20 rounds Idstead of the normal 8 rounds.?
That's just an example of what a CO² table is... not my recommendation for how to do one.
If it’s not useful, explain how I can hold breath for a lot longer now?
If you don't train breath holds at all, then almost any breath hold training done regularly will create improvements. The question is is the the optimal way to reach your goals.
What about o2 tables are they good?
It depends on what your doing them for. I don't think they are good for training hypoxia so they should have a new name.
zero thumb-down wow
Is it possible that training CO2 tolerance (CO2 Tables or else) may make freediving more dangerous in some cases?
Here is one specific scenario I have in mind (hypothetical of course ;] ): a freediver is able to dive at 30m w/o any problem in the past weeks and starts training her/his CO2 tolerance very aggressively and gets accustomed to strong contractions in a very short time (1 week); goes back in the water and does a trachea squeeze as s.he does not notice being very tensed and having much more contractions than usual
That's the tricky thing, if they are training CO² tolerance, there should be less contractions. Actually on a 30m dive there shouldn't be any contractions, if there are, it is unlikely that it is due to CO², you can check out the videos I have done on contractions for more info.
The point is, training should make diving easier, if it's not, then what's the point...
Better to just doing o2 tables then
The point is, there are more options to train than O2, CO2 and max attempts