The proposed Voidwaker change is what I would expect if it were a free quest item like in RS2, not something that requires you to kill 3 wilderness bosses to assemble a single item lmao. If the change goes through it's basically just going to be a bougie DDS.
I can’t imagine anyone that does wildy content decided to cry about it after it being out this long. Same people that cried about occult being “OP” because it makes SHADOW way stronger lmao.
The minimum hit changes also also affects those places with guaranteed max hits. They either nerf it to hit your new max hit (old-1) which can be problematic for those places where it can be tough to get the max you need to 1-hit mobs (colosseum, pnm, warden p2) or they don’t nerf it and now you have a confusing situation where your max hit changes when you have a guaranteed max.
jagex buffing drop rate for nightmare in order to get more people there doesn't address the real problem. The slepey tablet takes ~20-25hrs to grind out at phosani's assuming no deaths and decently fast kills. Nobody wants to do a 25hr grind just to be able to not have to spend 4 minutes running to the boss, all they have to do is make the tablet more common and more players will be at nightmare.
@@vivejk4443 it was meant to be a money sink back on release but this is what happens when you don't update old content which is a very typical mistake jagex never seems to learn from
The low level versions of the wildy bosses were never supposed to be good. You are supposed to go to multi to get amazing loot. Now it's actually closer to how it should be, but Jagex is probably gonna go back on the voidwaker change anyway.
@@kenboyle8276 Absolutely ridiculous suggestion. Tin foil hat in full effect. Why would they specifically target wildy boss bots over everything else? That's not the only place that bots frequent in the wildy, and why would they nerf a weapon just to temporarily stop bots? You realise the bots will just start farming something else?
Someone ran the numbers and vw would be like 54% accurate on kephri @400, and at most 80% in other use cases. Completely dead item if the changes go through lmao. And nerfing mid game magic where it's already the weakest is such a bad move.
I'm a mid-game iron stuck in the hell of not being able to get purples in team raids because my mage gear sucks, and not being able to solo effectively because I don't have mage dps. I was already on a break from the game, this is going to make me actually cancel membership.
@@colinmarshall6634 mid game iron gets buffed by the magic changes. occult is a 93 slayer req, every iron with lower slayer just got a max hit to help them barrage their slayer up to occult. once you get the occult you won't lose any max hits. I'm sure its frustrating, but run a dps calc and youll see it changes nothing for you and you dont have to rage cancel your membership lol
Nerf of occult really hurts mid level and lower risk activities in wilderness. There is no staff equivalent to AGS (massive max hit) or dragon crossbow (range and hits 35+) for magic. To make it viable it requires a staff already and an occult. Spreading that DPS to robes unbalances the risk/reward for magic so much. Pures and zerks, weeks after we considered chivalry to make them more viable, are nerfed without augury. Really unhappy with this
This really, really screws over mid-game irons too. We basically can't raid with mains anymore. 250 invo TOA is already equal purp rate for me as getting carried by shadows in 410 invo TOA. This basically requires irons to solo TOA until we get a fang now.
about removing zeros from a successful hit jagex could just replace any zero rolls to a one, so instead of rolling between 1-max hit-1 it rolls from 0-max hit but every zero = one (effectively 2 ones on the dice roll), this would not impact current dps/kph that much at mid/late/end game but would feel much better for early game players hitting 1s non stop. a similar concept to cursed dices in tabletop rpgs, but in the case of runescape its a blessing
The mage changes are a very minor upgrade in the early game, the extreme late game, or VERY damaging everywhere else. If you are max everything mage, you're good. No change. Early game, you get Dagon Hai and you're smiling at the extra 1 max hit. EVERYWHERE else, you're getting a significant hit on dps. If you don't have a shadow, your mage dps is just degrading more and more. What was the thought process here? You simply nerf the worst of the combat triangle even more.
"everywhere else" no, you're most likely not going to be losing any dps. if you're using ahrims/occult/augury, you're losing 2% mage str which isn't even a max hit in most cases. this is such a non issue and you guys are so butthurt for literally zero reason. all this update is going to do is give dead/unused mage content some life.
The voidwaker change is worst then that, its by far the current meta option in pvp with really no competition apart from AGS in NH style fights but they of course are nerfing that. This keeps it BIS for pvp in all scenarios which is a problem makes the scene very stale with 1 meta. My opinion is if they want to touch the VW make it 55% special attack like it was back in the day.
I don't understand why they don't just buff the older gear that's not being used like they did scythe instead of changing stats for every NPC in the game. Obviously everything doesn't need to be meta at its own place. Just change stats for items that should be useful like blade of saladdressing or rapier or whatever. It's a lot more simpler that way changing the stats of dead content to make it worth using again to modern standards
I've played runescape since I was 6 in 2000 and project rebalance is only the second thing that has ever made me quit with the other being EOC. I've taken plenty of breaks before but always knew I was likely to return and wouldn't even bother cancelling membership. I was just coming back from a few month break and it's frustrating to see they took the game in a direction where they let such a small but vocal part of our community make changes with many of these changes being much more than minor tweeks for the sake of rebalancing. They no longer even have the forums so unless you are a reddit user there is no way to voice your displeasure. None of the changes are the issue and if the big ones were passing polls I would stay even if I didn't like them but to add things like elemental weaknesses which is a fundamental change to how combat functions and say that that is just a "rebalance" is honestly insulting. The thing that set this game apart was how community driven it was and they've seeming completely lost sight of that.
dont the magic changes also buff shadow alongside nerfing the rest of magic? makes 0 sense to me why they would do it this way. Give mage offhands and non-shadow staves more power imo.
@@GnomonkeyRS Shadow is buffed. While shadow doesnt get the triple effect from prayer its still gets the 4% boost. So post change magic damage for shadow will be current damage + 4%
Outdated Video, buffs to ahrims has been made as well as other mage items (notably eternals now get 2%) Minimum hit has been fixed VW nerf still sorta bad but better now
Elder maul change is so boring. Why do we need so many different defence reducing spec weapons? Get creative and give it a unique ability that's fitting for a mega-rare.
That’s what I’m saying. I mean if all we get is the spec that reduces def I guess it’s whatever but it should have an added effect also + spec that lowers def. If they make it so you never hit a 0 than the added crush accuracy of maul is useless to. let’s be honest this game is all dps so maul will never be used unless it has a good effect.
Someone on Twitter suggested it hit aoe like the dragon 2h spec. That would be sick. Like a basic aoe attack that minutely lowers defense (some, almost negligible number) ... would be more interesting than a dwh clone that totally destroys its niche use.
It could scale similar to tbow but against defence level or crush defence bonus. Or have a special attack that repeats your previous hit (save til you hit near max). Or guarantees to hit a certain amount if enemy is below some HP threshold, making it BiS for finishing blows. Idk just SOMETHING unique and interesting. All mega-rares have something unique going on, except elder.
540 toa warden solos become harder due to the max hit change being implemented because reddit are tired of hitting 0s on chickens. This is the most jagex thing I have ever heard.
You mentioned at the end that you can still one-shot the Fremmy Melee with Shadow, Torm, Occult, and Sat Heart while praying augury. In reality, your max hit is a 48 (49-1, beta max hit change). In order to hit a 50 with shadow you need 32% mage bonus while sat hearted. The gear mentioned puts you at 27% ((4+5)*3), plus augury for 31% ((4+5)*3)+4.
I think instead of "not doing anything" to the 0 "damage", they should just do a red 0 for hits. This is because it is a legitimate problem with weapons like dwh spec where you dont know for sure if it reduced def or not when you hit a 0.
Someone else in the comment just wrote: if you pass accuracy and hit a 0 it should hit a 1 So it fixes the problem for low levels but doesnt break anything else, also fixes your problem too
@@GTD22 I was responding to Gnomonkey in that he suggested either make minimum hit 1 or do nothing. I also think just increasing minimum hit to 1 is the best option, but this is a solution if the devs are adamant about not making min hit 1 without any downsides.
Voidwaker is such a FUN weapon to use especially as a finisher, and that should be taken into account. Missing specs is sadge and making a newer BIS weapon almost obsolete is beyond me too. Why would you work hard to revamp wildy bosses and make wilderness more active (by adding more incentive to go there), and then throw it away one year later.
I don’t understand what the issue with occult necklace is, yes it’s good and cheap, does everything have to be 100s of mils? I don’t think mid game mage was that op and for irons the slayer level req is already quite steep. I like the change to augury and I think they could just cap the dmg on shadow and it’ll help lower tier mage nicely
Because it's single-handedly the BEST upgrade for mage, maybe even in the entire game, for how cost effective it is. it's still an insanely good upgrade even with these nerfs. and for irons, it's not like they're going to NOT get 93 slayer for occult, even at 4% its still bis mage necklace with zero competition.
@@superlad6684 93 slayer is still hundreds of hours of grinding even for a main so for an iron man its more realistic for them to dive into cox first for an ancestral piece. The mid to end game gap for magic usage in combat essentially got widened because of how little advantage let alone reasons there are to use it until raids and maybe zulrah. That should be the problem at hand because who in 2024 is gonna use ancestrals to run barrows?
@@ccakaccakaccakacc This^ I only really play a main, I'm still only 88 slayer but have done loads of raids, nex trying inferno soon etc. For an iron to dedicate to 93 slayer I think its a good reward. I just feel like shadow was already strong enough and magic was nowhere near op before getting a shadow which also requires ancestrals. I think the only reason people are actually upset is that it 'only costs 800k' but so what, irons don't care about ge value, and for mains there so much expensive gear to buy to be effective with magic already, these changes have made ancestrals even more expensive and important
@@ccakaccakaccakacc "dive into cox for an ancestral piece" you say that like you're just gonna run 3 or 4 raids and get a piece lmao. full ancestral for an iron will take much much longer than 93 slayer barring extreme spoon. even one piece could take possibly hundreds of raids. you have obviously never raided if your thought process on it is "hurdurr ill just dive into cox and get a piece of bis mage gear, thats easier than 93 slayer!!" its statistically more probable to get a twisted bow before you get full ancestral as an iron. full ancestral should 100% be more of a mage str bonus than a single necklace that is a semi rare drop from a level 93 slayer monster. I can 100% guarantee you there are more irons with occult than full ancestral.
@@ccakaccakaccakacc to put it into an even better perspective, if you're running semi efficient 30 min solo cox averaging 35k points per raid, it would take you around 1100 raids on average, or 550 hours, to get full ancestral for a 6% boost to magic damage over 3 slots. even IF it took you 550 hours to get 93 slayer, you still get a bigger dps boost in a single slot than a full set of bis gear from a raid. fuck outta here with that "b-b-but 93 slayer!!!" shit.
They're trying to hard with this rebalance they need to hire or create a discord with players like you a cold one aaty ECT who actually knows shit about the games and care about the future and longevity of it I know the jmods have good intentions but these balance updates just ain't it
Because of 1 max hit? That seems really unlikely. What invo are you thinking this would occur at? I run 500s and we 3 down comfortably and people miss ticks and gear sometimes.
@@wrenandrews3782 540 solos with max strength. With this setup you can only lose 6 damage and still get a 3 down. With the max hit changes you'll be losing 24 damage.
I was kinda surprised to find you agree with a casual like myself about Baba. I do 300-330 invo duo/small group raids with IRL friends. Red-x is basically required on any expert mode raid, because otherwise, even at 300 invo it feels like you'll just be brewed down the entire fight from the constant chip damage, or you have to prepot ranging pot and do Zebak first, so you can have salts to actually *stay* boosted throughout Baba. Baba doming 16s through prayer is just not reasonable. Akkha chips pretty hard during melee phase, but that's only during his melee phase when you can kite him in that phase, and heal with barrage and blowpipe spec on clones. Maybe this disparity is less pronounced if you have Torva, but with fighter torso+verac skirt, Baba went from my favorite boss at about 150-200 invo to my least favorite at 300+, because the amount of chip damage is just completely out of line. And they talk about DPS being lower when doing red-x? How about all the time you're losing DPS due to boulders and the baboons? In my experience, red-x is faster kill times than just playing the fight normally, every time. And it's only more pronounced the more people you have in your group hitting for completely free. The correct way to approach a fight should not be through cheesing it, and devs shouldn't be worried that fixing a cheese method will make a boss impossible. There is no mastery to be expressed there, there is only just breaking the AI so that you don't have to deal with the bad design. As for the midgame magic discussion: my friend proposed a buff to the Eldinis Ward. Make it 7% and upgraded ward 10%, or something crazy like that. Shadow is a 2h, so it fundamentally can't be abused there, and it would make a normally underwhelming purple into a very meaningful upgrade that any iron would be excited to add to their setup, and greatly enhance the value of that drop for mains as it'd bridge the massive gap between shadow and 2nd BiS. As it is, it's a raid drop that I've never seen used, even for memes. Make it good.
They could fix the max hit/hitting 0 problem with 1 change. MAKE THERE BE RED 0 HITSPLATS. It solves the only problem with 0 being a successful role and keeps dps identical. No fancy formulas or ideas needed
I just dont understand why 25def/50mage and 50def/70mage gear, infinity and dagon hai is better now than ahrims at 70/70 since it doesnt get 1% magic dmg on each piece, so why would you ever use it? Not like anyone's using it for defence
yeah bond prices are going up, lower level moneymakers are becoming less profitable and the only things you can do are raids, nex or pvp if u want to even get a taste of having a bit of maxed gear on your account.
As a very casual player who got into the game with GIM and whose entire GIM got burnt out by the mid game slog and quit , what an excellent occult nerf! This is just what osrs needed: To directly skew the game more towards high-level pvm 🙏
I hope you end up @ing the mods on twitter with a link to this video and telling them to take notes, we need some polls for these game changing adjustments they are making.
I don't think the Magic gear nerfs is to crazy honestly. Since they said they are adding a Ton of Elemental Weaknesses with the Defense changes they plan to roll out as well. Most things if they are weak to magic are going to have like a 50% weakness or some are even 100% if you use the right element. Which over all will be a massive buff to Magics Mid Game and using it outside of Just the few Niche instances you do at bossing.
Lot of weird changes but thankfully (if their word is true) these are just ideas they have and not concrete. It's strange, but understandable to a degree to nerf occult necklace as it performs exceptionally well for it's price range. Though slashing it by 6% seems a bit extreme. Considering there literally isn't an alternative.... yet And what the hell is the voidwaker change? Just why?
Jagex reasoning to touch voidwaker: "guaranteed hits (i.e. ignoring accuracy checks) in PvM makes it difficult to design worthwhile Spec-DPS weapons in future without creeping upwards significantly." so for them voidwaker is item that is used regularly in bossing in many places
on the point of "don't make changes to pave the way, make the change when the content drops" combat is an equasion with a multitude of variables. changing multiple variables at once and getting a bad result will make it hard to figure out what went wrong. making stable systems beforehand and then adding new stuff to them once the basis is solid is way better for a game which we know gets constant updates. JAgex is doing the right thing here even if it might currently make players slightly weaker in some situations.
Jagex just needs to make the defense reducing spec weapons hit for 1 when they would hit but roll 0. Or for enemies with 1 hp just deal damage if the accuracy check succeeds regardless of damage done. There's no need to change the formula for how damage is calculated, everything is going to be a mess if they go through with it.
kind of ruins the point of adding virtus with this. ancestral will give more bonus to ancients than virtus and that was the whole point of it. Ahrims and void mage sets are outclassed and nearly pointless to get/use. it would be nice if they would give both mage sets damage as well and virtus a higher ancients bonus or lower the ancestral bonus to ancients. accounts in mid game are going to loose out overall on %bonus.
gnomonkey honestly wants jagex to cater the game to him i swear. never hit 0s? that's so unrealistic. he's good at the game, but honestly fuck his opinions sometimes.
It's preliminary and they have the opportunity to change things before pushing this out, so don't think it's fair to be too negative yet. There releasing this information so they can get feedback.
Buffing the DWH drop rate and making elder maul a slightly better DWH is so stupid and redundant it hurts. I think everyone was expecting elder maul to become a viable main hand weapon at places, not just copy DWH’s functionality onto it and call it slightly better.
literally NO ONE was expecting elder to become an actual mainhand, just you. its a 6 tick weapon, why were you ever expecting it to become a main weapon lmao.
@@superlad6684because it’s a mega rare from endgame content brainlet. It was outclassed by a weapon dropped by a slayer boss for ages (and still is really). Most people just wanted it to be a 5t weapon before the Tekton changes, or as a crush weapon on the bosses weaker to crush
It should have the spec they proposed plus something extra. It’s a mega rare with scythe/tbow/shadow/kodai. This game is all about dps so maul won’t be a man hand unless it has an effect like tbow or shadow + the special.
I'll be honest, I was half expecting this to be an overly negative rant, but I think a lot of your criticism make sense and you explained it well. I think the spirit behind a lot of these changes is in the right place (except maybe voidwaker), but like you said, just needs some adjustments before being released. Good video.
So they have pt 1 of the rebalance saying that pvp will be unaffected by "affinities" and by tome changes, but... voidwaker... *checks notes* loses all niches in pvm because it's too strong for pvp. Gotcha.
I don’t understand why Eternal Boots receive no damage %.. locked behind 91 Slayer, Slayer boss and hours in MTA.. Awesome, I’m glad my iron will be hard locked grinding CoX for Ancestral now. Come on Jagex, distribute the bonus to some other items as well..
Its taken me 100+ hrs to get 2/3 peices of the void waker on my iron... pls dont ruin it. + they didnt even ask pvpers if we want it nerfed and imo it brought so much variety to pking before it was a melee camp meta if they nerf it we're back to boring just camping melee pray
What if they added the non 0 hits to just dwh, elder maul, new glaive, etc. Gets rid of a lot of ambiguity these spec weapons had especially if you didn't have a client to tell you have a 0 hit.
They need to make more magic level draining weapons instead of ruining mage every update and catering to the twisted bow which is still not as good even with all the dps boosting items for ranged... magic has no dps boosting items other than sceptre and seercull... and sceptre still helps t bow by draining defence levels... defence levels don't even have an effect on magic dps so i don't know why it drains defence levels at all.
I cant wait for raids 4 where we get unnerfed occult and blowpipe back as megarares
Hey throw in a pet chance and yoy gor a reason to log in again lol
Lmao true af 💀
Faccs ^ I'm done with this bs
This sounds so fucking accurate 😂
Considering how not fun raids 3 already is, and with magic now nerfed, I don't see myself playing again any time soon.
This is the weirdest colosseum guide I have ever seen
Jagex : Heres a soulreaper axe QOL update
GM : "I cant wait to tick eat 20 ticks in advance"
the goat.
gnomonkey ramble 😍
The proposed Voidwaker change is what I would expect if it were a free quest item like in RS2, not something that requires you to kill 3 wilderness bosses to assemble a single item lmao. If the change goes through it's basically just going to be a bougie DDS.
Its really funny that they made VW insanely op to force people into wildy, and now they'll be completely useless again
I can’t imagine anyone that does wildy content decided to cry about it after it being out this long. Same people that cried about occult being “OP” because it makes SHADOW way stronger lmao.
The minimum hit changes also also affects those places with guaranteed max hits. They either nerf it to hit your new max hit (old-1) which can be problematic for those places where it can be tough to get the max you need to 1-hit mobs (colosseum, pnm, warden p2) or they don’t nerf it and now you have a confusing situation where your max hit changes when you have a guaranteed max.
If it goes through like that, as it stands, I think 2 down warden in a 600 (8-man) becomes impossible which is what we did to get a >25 completion
@@saxerpillar5128 thats terrible :(
jagex buffing drop rate for nightmare in order to get more people there doesn't address the real problem. The slepey tablet takes ~20-25hrs to grind out at phosani's assuming no deaths and decently fast kills. Nobody wants to do a 25hr grind just to be able to not have to spend 4 minutes running to the boss, all they have to do is make the tablet more common and more players will be at nightmare.
Also the general drop table is ass. Even nex is more profitable even without the rare drops
@@vivejk4443 it was meant to be a money sink back on release but this is what happens when you don't update old content which is a very typical mistake jagex never seems to learn from
Reddit ruins everything
Unfortunately, the terminally-online neckbeard playerbase is often the most vocal.
Agreed, constantly complaining about things that aren’t broken.
It’s a circle jerk for freaks who wake up at noon and don’t work
:( All of their 1600 total irons don't even know what they want.
Bunch of shitty little group ironmen crying
Jagex genius method of tackling the wildy bots by making the main drop they're after worthless
They won't say it, but that's the goal they were after with VW nerf.
@@kenboyle8276but then why wont they change revs? And why did they add bot zombies, wilderness botting course and bots castle chests
Explain the dt2 bots
The low level versions of the wildy bosses were never supposed to be good. You are supposed to go to multi to get amazing loot. Now it's actually closer to how it should be, but Jagex is probably gonna go back on the voidwaker change anyway.
@@kenboyle8276 Absolutely ridiculous suggestion. Tin foil hat in full effect. Why would they specifically target wildy boss bots over everything else? That's not the only place that bots frequent in the wildy, and why would they nerf a weapon just to temporarily stop bots? You realise the bots will just start farming something else?
Someone ran the numbers and vw would be like 54% accurate on kephri @400, and at most 80% in other use cases. Completely dead item if the changes go through lmao. And nerfing mid game magic where it's already the weakest is such a bad move.
I'm a mid-game iron stuck in the hell of not being able to get purples in team raids because my mage gear sucks, and not being able to solo effectively because I don't have mage dps. I was already on a break from the game, this is going to make me actually cancel membership.
@@colinmarshall6634 mid game iron gets buffed by the magic changes. occult is a 93 slayer req, every iron with lower slayer just got a max hit to help them barrage their slayer up to occult. once you get the occult you won't lose any max hits. I'm sure its frustrating, but run a dps calc and youll see it changes nothing for you and you dont have to rage cancel your membership lol
You don't need magic dps to solo olm lmfao, its zero damage. You can do it naked with a base trident, bring an extra stam @@colinmarshall6634
@@colinmarshall6634would recommend learning solo, it’s actually really fun and ToA is quite easy to learn solos
@@colinmarshall6634 if ur quitting can i have ur items
Nerf of occult really hurts mid level and lower risk activities in wilderness. There is no staff equivalent to AGS (massive max hit) or dragon crossbow (range and hits 35+) for magic. To make it viable it requires a staff already and an occult. Spreading that DPS to robes unbalances the risk/reward for magic so much. Pures and zerks, weeks after we considered chivalry to make them more viable, are nerfed without augury. Really unhappy with this
Its been mainscape since cox anyway, sad to see but i think they just hate pures
staff equivalent to ags is the volotile.
@@GTD22I would hope they put very little thought into pures when making game changes honestly.
@@GTD22 ok so instead of improving the game for 99% of players, they should cater to the 1% of players who are pures. low iq take zzz next.
This really, really screws over mid-game irons too. We basically can't raid with mains anymore. 250 invo TOA is already equal purp rate for me as getting carried by shadows in 410 invo TOA. This basically requires irons to solo TOA until we get a fang now.
about removing zeros from a successful hit jagex could just replace any zero rolls to a one, so instead of rolling between 1-max hit-1 it rolls from 0-max hit but every zero = one (effectively 2 ones on the dice roll), this would not impact current dps/kph that much at mid/late/end game but would feel much better for early game players hitting 1s non stop. a similar concept to cursed dices in tabletop rpgs, but in the case of runescape its a blessing
Yes! Solving the problem with no downsides
But I like 0s :/
That voidwaker change is so stupid, i cannot comprehend the logic behind it
i am guessing it is soleley for pvp cases, where you wont get nuked by 2 specs if you arent fast enough with prayer? stupid nonetheless
@@0sjors0 Pretty sure they said ages ago it only applies to pvm unless they changed their minds
@@0sjors0 even if the problem was only for PvP, just make it so it interacts differently for PvP.
it needs to be 60% spec, that's it
They've only explained the reasoning in detail on at least two posts about the rebalancing.
voidwaker was perfectly fine, leave it to gagex to fuck things up
no it's not it needs to be 60% spec
Wtf@@mrcool76789
@mrcool76789 no it doesn't it is fine a great counter to D claws in pvp stop winning
Good video. The voidwaker nerf is beyond trash
WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE COMBAT SYSTEM AND DOZENS OF ITEMS
THE GAME IS ALREADY GOOD, THAT'S WHY WE FUCKING PLAY IT.
Damn you snapped frfr 😂 Jagex: “don’t worry guys this will all make sense in a couple years”
Jmods deff got wrecked by the voidwaker 1 to many times in wildy
love the cult of the lamb jam
The mage changes are a very minor upgrade in the early game, the extreme late game, or VERY damaging everywhere else. If you are max everything mage, you're good. No change. Early game, you get Dagon Hai and you're smiling at the extra 1 max hit. EVERYWHERE else, you're getting a significant hit on dps. If you don't have a shadow, your mage dps is just degrading more and more. What was the thought process here? You simply nerf the worst of the combat triangle even more.
"everywhere else" no, you're most likely not going to be losing any dps. if you're using ahrims/occult/augury, you're losing 2% mage str which isn't even a max hit in most cases. this is such a non issue and you guys are so butthurt for literally zero reason. all this update is going to do is give dead/unused mage content some life.
@@superlad6684not to mention you can get virtus which makes it almost the same
The voidwaker change is worst then that, its by far the current meta option in pvp with really no competition apart from AGS in NH style fights but they of course are nerfing that. This keeps it BIS for pvp in all scenarios which is a problem makes the scene very stale with 1 meta. My opinion is if they want to touch the VW make it 55% special attack like it was back in the day.
Ags is armadyl godsword. ANgs is ancient godsword.
@@RyanJ8 Idk anyone who uses that. I do see XGS a lot though.
I disagree. Voidwaker brings challenge and versatility towards PVP.
@@HyzerFlipshud be called Zaros godsword
Making it 55% spec would be terrible too
I don't understand why they don't just buff the older gear that's not being used like they did scythe instead of changing stats for every NPC in the game. Obviously everything doesn't need to be meta at its own place. Just change stats for items that should be useful like blade of saladdressing or rapier or whatever. It's a lot more simpler that way changing the stats of dead content to make it worth using again to modern standards
I've played runescape since I was 6 in 2000 and project rebalance is only the second thing that has ever made me quit with the other being EOC. I've taken plenty of breaks before but always knew I was likely to return and wouldn't even bother cancelling membership. I was just coming back from a few month break and it's frustrating to see they took the game in a direction where they let such a small but vocal part of our community make changes with many of these changes being much more than minor tweeks for the sake of rebalancing. They no longer even have the forums so unless you are a reddit user there is no way to voice your displeasure. None of the changes are the issue and if the big ones were passing polls I would stay even if I didn't like them but to add things like elemental weaknesses which is a fundamental change to how combat functions and say that that is just a "rebalance" is honestly insulting. The thing that set this game apart was how community driven it was and they've seeming completely lost sight of that.
Shitz ass
why are they moving so fast? its every month theres a game changing update
the 0s are most important for stuff like DWH no? Why not just make true misses blue hitsplats and 0 "hits" red hitsplats
Haven’t heard this idea yet, I dig it!
Actually brilliant comment tbh.
Well it affects everything tbh but dwh and accursed scepter the most
defense drain plugin tells you when you land
@@vomma8466 it cant tell the difference between a miss and a 0 hit, it assumes its a zero
dont the magic changes also buff shadow alongside nerfing the rest of magic? makes 0 sense to me why they would do it this way. Give mage offhands and non-shadow staves more power imo.
It nerfs Shadow. Augury does not count with Shadow
@@GnomonkeyRS don't you still gain max hit(s) with augury even though it doesn't get multiplied by shadow though?
@@GnomonkeyRSI wouldn’t say it nerfs the shadow. It still gets the boost, just not the 3-4x benefit.
@@GnomonkeyRS Shadow is buffed. While shadow doesnt get the triple effect from prayer its still gets the 4% boost. So post change magic damage for shadow will be current damage + 4%
@@GnomonkeyRS You're wrong on this one. Shadow is the exact same in max gear, and then you can add Augury on top of that.
I'm scared for the future of this game.
Outdated Video, buffs to ahrims has been made as well as other mage items (notably eternals now get 2%)
Minimum hit has been fixed
VW nerf still sorta bad but better now
Elder maul change is so boring. Why do we need so many different defence reducing spec weapons? Get creative and give it a unique ability that's fitting for a mega-rare.
That’s what I’m saying. I mean if all we get is the spec that reduces def I guess it’s whatever but it should have an added effect also + spec that lowers def. If they make it so you never hit a 0 than the added crush accuracy of maul is useless to. let’s be honest this game is all dps so maul will never be used unless it has a good effect.
Someone on Twitter suggested it hit aoe like the dragon 2h spec. That would be sick.
Like a basic aoe attack that minutely lowers defense (some, almost negligible number)
... would be more interesting than a dwh clone that totally destroys its niche use.
@@sylvariatzakawould still be useless then
It could scale similar to tbow but against defence level or crush defence bonus. Or have a special attack that repeats your previous hit (save til you hit near max). Or guarantees to hit a certain amount if enemy is below some HP threshold, making it BiS for finishing blows. Idk just SOMETHING unique and interesting. All mega-rares have something unique going on, except elder.
@@tomcatalano6076 It would be best in slot melee training and melee slayer training?
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If this shit doesn’t get polled/ handled better it is going to ruin years of guides and metas.
Weak reason but i agree it needs to be handled differently
project rebalance is not polled. They're integrity changes. That's what P1 of project rebalance wasn't polled either.
Its an integrity change not a poll, example blowpipe nerf in the past
Only thing I got from this is that I would be dead at 3:30
Elder Maul cannot build chest and it does have 10 less max hits with its spec vs DWH
Complete misses by this company lately. Colosseum is complete garbage
540 toa warden solos become harder due to the max hit change being implemented because reddit are tired of hitting 0s on chickens. This is the most jagex thing I have ever heard.
Magic on my pure is ruined
Cry
Eww a pure
Noob accounts shouldn't be so strong anyway
I might be wrong, but would love to hear thoughts, isn't the main issue with magic is its accuracy?
You mentioned at the end that you can still one-shot the Fremmy Melee with Shadow, Torm, Occult, and Sat Heart while praying augury. In reality, your max hit is a 48 (49-1, beta max hit change). In order to hit a 50 with shadow you need 32% mage bonus while sat hearted. The gear mentioned puts you at 27% ((4+5)*3), plus augury for 31% ((4+5)*3)+4.
I think instead of "not doing anything" to the 0 "damage", they should just do a red 0 for hits. This is because it is a legitimate problem with weapons like dwh spec where you dont know for sure if it reduced def or not when you hit a 0.
Nice solution for dwh for sure
Someone else in the comment just wrote: if you pass accuracy and hit a 0 it should hit a 1
So it fixes the problem for low levels but doesnt break anything else, also fixes your problem too
@@GTD22 I was responding to Gnomonkey in that he suggested either make minimum hit 1 or do nothing. I also think just increasing minimum hit to 1 is the best option, but this is a solution if the devs are adamant about not making min hit 1 without any downsides.
@@olx222 I don't even wanna call it a minimum hit, you passed the accuracy check, shouldn't even be able to hit a 0.
Voidwaker is such a FUN weapon to use especially as a finisher, and that should be taken into account. Missing specs is sadge and making a newer BIS weapon almost obsolete is beyond me too. Why would you work hard to revamp wildy bosses and make wilderness more active (by adding more incentive to go there), and then throw it away one year later.
I don’t understand what the issue with occult necklace is, yes it’s good and cheap, does everything have to be 100s of mils? I don’t think mid game mage was that op and for irons the slayer level req is already quite steep. I like the change to augury and I think they could just cap the dmg on shadow and it’ll help lower tier mage nicely
Because it's single-handedly the BEST upgrade for mage, maybe even in the entire game, for how cost effective it is. it's still an insanely good upgrade even with these nerfs. and for irons, it's not like they're going to NOT get 93 slayer for occult, even at 4% its still bis mage necklace with zero competition.
@@superlad6684 93 slayer is still hundreds of hours of grinding even for a main so for an iron man its more realistic for them to dive into cox first for an ancestral piece. The mid to end game gap for magic usage in combat essentially got widened because of how little advantage let alone reasons there are to use it until raids and maybe zulrah. That should be the problem at hand because who in 2024 is gonna use ancestrals to run barrows?
@@ccakaccakaccakacc This^ I only really play a main, I'm still only 88 slayer but have done loads of raids, nex trying inferno soon etc. For an iron to dedicate to 93 slayer I think its a good reward. I just feel like shadow was already strong enough and magic was nowhere near op before getting a shadow which also requires ancestrals. I think the only reason people are actually upset is that it 'only costs 800k' but so what, irons don't care about ge value, and for mains there so much expensive gear to buy to be effective with magic already, these changes have made ancestrals even more expensive and important
@@ccakaccakaccakacc "dive into cox for an ancestral piece" you say that like you're just gonna run 3 or 4 raids and get a piece lmao. full ancestral for an iron will take much much longer than 93 slayer barring extreme spoon. even one piece could take possibly hundreds of raids. you have obviously never raided if your thought process on it is "hurdurr ill just dive into cox and get a piece of bis mage gear, thats easier than 93 slayer!!" its statistically more probable to get a twisted bow before you get full ancestral as an iron. full ancestral should 100% be more of a mage str bonus than a single necklace that is a semi rare drop from a level 93 slayer monster. I can 100% guarantee you there are more irons with occult than full ancestral.
@@ccakaccakaccakacc to put it into an even better perspective, if you're running semi efficient 30 min solo cox averaging 35k points per raid, it would take you around 1100 raids on average, or 550 hours, to get full ancestral for a 6% boost to magic damage over 3 slots. even IF it took you 550 hours to get 93 slayer, you still get a bigger dps boost in a single slot than a full set of bis gear from a raid. fuck outta here with that "b-b-but 93 slayer!!!" shit.
Project rebalance: Magic prayers now have magic damage, but just augury.
Jagex really tryna tiptoe their way to RS3
They're trying to hard with this rebalance they need to hire or create a discord with players like you a cold one aaty ECT who actually knows shit about the games and care about the future and longevity of it I know the jmods have good intentions but these balance updates just ain't it
Max hit changes really screw over high level TOA solos. Many efficient setups which can 3 down warden P2 now will become a 4 down
Because of 1 max hit? That seems really unlikely. What invo are you thinking this would occur at? I run 500s and we 3 down comfortably and people miss ticks and gear sometimes.
@@wrenandrews3782 540 solos with max strength. With this setup you can only lose 6 damage and still get a 3 down. With the max hit changes you'll be losing 24 damage.
@@sachin251998 ahh. Fair enough
@@wrenandrews3782it changes it for solos, teams likely won’t mattwr
In my set up with bandos and void waker with bgs wack it makes it no possible to 3 down on high invos unless I do a bgs spec
I was kinda surprised to find you agree with a casual like myself about Baba. I do 300-330 invo duo/small group raids with IRL friends. Red-x is basically required on any expert mode raid, because otherwise, even at 300 invo it feels like you'll just be brewed down the entire fight from the constant chip damage, or you have to prepot ranging pot and do Zebak first, so you can have salts to actually *stay* boosted throughout Baba. Baba doming 16s through prayer is just not reasonable. Akkha chips pretty hard during melee phase, but that's only during his melee phase when you can kite him in that phase, and heal with barrage and blowpipe spec on clones. Maybe this disparity is less pronounced if you have Torva, but with fighter torso+verac skirt, Baba went from my favorite boss at about 150-200 invo to my least favorite at 300+, because the amount of chip damage is just completely out of line.
And they talk about DPS being lower when doing red-x? How about all the time you're losing DPS due to boulders and the baboons? In my experience, red-x is faster kill times than just playing the fight normally, every time. And it's only more pronounced the more people you have in your group hitting for completely free. The correct way to approach a fight should not be through cheesing it, and devs shouldn't be worried that fixing a cheese method will make a boss impossible. There is no mastery to be expressed there, there is only just breaking the AI so that you don't have to deal with the bad design.
As for the midgame magic discussion: my friend proposed a buff to the Eldinis Ward. Make it 7% and upgraded ward 10%, or something crazy like that. Shadow is a 2h, so it fundamentally can't be abused there, and it would make a normally underwhelming purple into a very meaningful upgrade that any iron would be excited to add to their setup, and greatly enhance the value of that drop for mains as it'd bridge the massive gap between shadow and 2nd BiS. As it is, it's a raid drop that I've never seen used, even for memes. Make it good.
They could fix the max hit/hitting 0 problem with 1 change. MAKE THERE BE RED 0 HITSPLATS. It solves the only problem with 0 being a successful role and keeps dps identical. No fancy formulas or ideas needed
I just dont understand why 25def/50mage and 50def/70mage gear, infinity and dagon hai is better now than ahrims at 70/70 since it doesnt get 1% magic dmg on each piece, so why would you ever use it? Not like anyone's using it for defence
They wouldn’t be removing zeros right they would just be taking away the chance to hit zero when you rolled a hit
Just don't like how the wealth gap is increasing, makes it harder for newer players to get a good grip on mage lol
yeah bond prices are going up, lower level moneymakers are becoming less profitable and the only things you can do are raids, nex or pvp if u want to even get a taste of having a bit of maxed gear on your account.
@@tubax926just grind vorkath and rune drags
i think the updated dev blog changes are way better than what was proposed
Too many large changes in a short period of time, as a casual player this is becoming quite alienating.
As a very casual player who got into the game with GIM and whose entire GIM got burnt out by the mid game slog and quit , what an excellent occult nerf! This is just what osrs needed: To directly skew the game more towards high-level pvm 🙏
ngl the ONLY thing i dont agree with is voidwaker. please please please leave it alone. why cant the wildy boss weapon be bis? just leave it please
Agree. The wildy boss rework along with the voidwaker was such a good update and they are trying to ruin it… so annoying.
And not even like "global BIS" but situational at that. No need to nerf what so ever
I hope you end up @ing the mods on twitter with a link to this video and telling them to take notes, we need some polls for these game changing adjustments they are making.
Gnomonkey, Your videos always make me happy, so I subscribed!
I don't think the Magic gear nerfs is to crazy honestly. Since they said they are adding a Ton of Elemental Weaknesses with the Defense changes they plan to roll out as well. Most things if they are weak to magic are going to have like a 50% weakness or some are even 100% if you use the right element. Which over all will be a massive buff to Magics Mid Game and using it outside of Just the few Niche instances you do at bossing.
Turn an accuracy 0 into a new mechanic - parry. Then watch the engine disintegrate
Lot of weird changes but thankfully (if their word is true) these are just ideas they have and not concrete. It's strange, but understandable to a degree to nerf occult necklace as it performs exceptionally well for it's price range. Though slashing it by 6% seems a bit extreme. Considering there literally isn't an alternative.... yet
And what the hell is the voidwaker change? Just why?
Classic Gnomonkey weeping video the moment any update is announced 💀💀💀
Jagex reasoning to touch voidwaker: "guaranteed hits (i.e. ignoring accuracy checks) in PvM makes it difficult to design worthwhile Spec-DPS weapons in future without creeping upwards significantly." so for them voidwaker is item that is used regularly in bossing in many places
So we're just letting Reddit run the game now? I should write a 2026 Manifesto with my content recommendations.
Excited to hear your thoughts on the updated proposal.
on the point of "don't make changes to pave the way, make the change when the content drops" combat is an equasion with a multitude of variables. changing multiple variables at once and getting a bad result will make it hard to figure out what went wrong. making stable systems beforehand and then adding new stuff to them once the basis is solid is way better for a game which we know gets constant updates. JAgex is doing the right thing here even if it might currently make players slightly weaker in some situations.
Inquisitor armor needs an actual buff what are they actually doing makes no sense
Voidwaker nerf is just bad. Don't nerf an item so you can give me a comparable version later.
Jagex just needs to make the defense reducing spec weapons hit for 1 when they would hit but roll 0. Or for enemies with 1 hp just deal damage if the accuracy check succeeds regardless of damage done. There's no need to change the formula for how damage is calculated, everything is going to be a mess if they go through with it.
kind of ruins the point of adding virtus with this. ancestral will give more bonus to ancients than virtus and that was the whole point of it. Ahrims and void mage sets are outclassed and nearly pointless to get/use. it would be nice if they would give both mage sets damage as well and virtus a higher ancients bonus or lower the ancestral bonus to ancients. accounts in mid game are going to loose out overall on %bonus.
You never know because that’s what everyone thought with the venator bow was 20m ish lol now look at it
gnomonkey honestly wants jagex to cater the game to him i swear. never hit 0s? that's so unrealistic. he's good at the game, but honestly fuck his opinions sometimes.
It's preliminary and they have the opportunity to change things before pushing this out, so don't think it's fair to be too negative yet. There releasing this information so they can get feedback.
Heart is a huge req just to one shot the fremmy, specifically for irons. The drop rate of that needs to be reworked as well
Sick of this. Nobody cares except other irons. You knew what you signed up for go grind it or switch back to regular mode and buy one.
Loved the video please provide a response to updated changes!
if they insist on changing the accuracy of the voidwaker they should ateast compensate with higher max hits on the thing.
Eoc flashbacks 🥵
Unpopular opinion, GM speed times were a joke with voidwaker, a wilderness spec weapon. Claws ftw
Wish they would scrap this whole update tbh, it's all uneccesary.
As a returning player who has to solo every raid and content; this fucken sucks
Now your hit at level 1 strength rolls between 1 and 0 instead of 0 and 1.
😂😂😂
Adding the voidwaker to the game was a mistake.
The harmonized orb just lost all purpose
Buffing the DWH drop rate and making elder maul a slightly better DWH is so stupid and redundant it hurts. I think everyone was expecting elder maul to become a viable main hand weapon at places, not just copy DWH’s functionality onto it and call it slightly better.
literally NO ONE was expecting elder to become an actual mainhand, just you. its a 6 tick weapon, why were you ever expecting it to become a main weapon lmao.
@@superlad6684because it’s a mega rare from endgame content brainlet. It was outclassed by a weapon dropped by a slayer boss for ages (and still is really). Most people just wanted it to be a 5t weapon before the Tekton changes, or as a crush weapon on the bosses weaker to crush
It should have the spec they proposed plus something extra. It’s a mega rare with scythe/tbow/shadow/kodai. This game is all about dps so maul won’t be a man hand unless it has an effect like tbow or shadow + the special.
why u crying about weapons and armour intended for pvp being useless for pvm LOL
He doesn't do pvp. There is rng involved in it so it takes no skill according to him not me.
Honestly, thought you were gonna be more negative on the mage changes. Love the vid, thanks
Looks like history might be repeating itself, especially since It wasn't pulled.
I dont remember voting on these particular changes
Yep totally agree with you... whats the fkin point in removing 0 splat if they are going to reduce max hit. This doesnt make it better for us
I'll be honest, I was half expecting this to be an overly negative rant, but I think a lot of your criticism make sense and you explained it well. I think the spirit behind a lot of these changes is in the right place (except maybe voidwaker), but like you said, just needs some adjustments before being released. Good video.
What song is this? I've heard it a ton before but i cant quite remember
0 content creators have been happy with this lol. I agree with them
So they have pt 1 of the rebalance saying that pvp will be unaffected by "affinities" and by tome changes, but... voidwaker... *checks notes* loses all niches in pvm because it's too strong for pvp. Gotcha.
Imo, they should've touched voidwaker, but not its spec. They should've reduced its normal hits just for pvp. However, its spec was perfectly fine.
I don’t understand why Eternal Boots receive no damage %.. locked behind 91 Slayer, Slayer boss and hours in MTA..
Awesome, I’m glad my iron will be hard locked grinding CoX for Ancestral now. Come on Jagex, distribute the bonus to some other items as well..
this man def bought 100 eternals on his alt
@@Chris-jn7pk just an iron playing the game and pointing out painfully obvious issues.
Weird question but after the change to autocast delay can you even 2 tick dark crabs anymore?
I usually dislike to agree with you but I think you're right on everything..
Its taken me 100+ hrs to get 2/3 peices of the void waker on my iron... pls dont ruin it.
+ they didnt even ask pvpers if we want it nerfed and imo it brought so much variety to pking before it was a melee camp meta if they nerf it we're back to boring just camping melee pray
What if they added the non 0 hits to just dwh, elder maul, new glaive, etc. Gets rid of a lot of ambiguity these spec weapons had especially if you didn't have a client to tell you have a 0 hit.
Gnomonkey in charge of updates please 🤞
They need to make more magic level draining weapons instead of ruining mage every update and catering to the twisted bow which is still not as good even with all the dps boosting items for ranged... magic has no dps boosting items other than sceptre and seercull... and sceptre still helps t bow by draining defence levels... defence levels don't even have an effect on magic dps so i don't know why it drains defence levels at all.
Please for the love of god dont call the delayed auto cast tick thing a pvp update. Youve cursed it to lose the poll.