7mm-08 vs 7mm Rem Mag vs .28 Nosler vs .280 AI
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- There are a number of 7mm centerfire rifle cartridges on the market, but today we discuss the four most popular rounds and their advantages and disadvantages. At the end of the video we reveal our favorite 7mm round.
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Coming from a 30-06 guy, the 7mm-08 really surprised me. It has almost no noticeable recoil, a generous amount of energy, a great ballistic coefficient, and doesn't break the bank. What more could a shooter at the range or in the field ask for?
Someone else to pay for ammo.
@@rapidrrobert4333 well it used to not break the bank, lol
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Or reload your own. I do that for my .270. Best factory load for it was Norma which grouped 50mm (2") at 100m (110yd)
I had 3 loads that grouped under an inch. One at 14mm (9/16"), one at 19mm (3/4") and 24mm (15/16")
It was quite interesting watching the groups drift in and out of the harmonic node.
I chose the 19mm group load as the best compromise. The 14mm was at the bottom of the powder loads, the 24mm at the top, but the 19mm was also near the top, so it was among the faster loads.
And it's short action too!!
As a hunter that basically never hunts anything bigger than a whitetail, and in WV 99% of my shots will be under 200 yards. I find the 7mm-08 to be the sweet spot between power and recoil. Absolutely love it.
I love the 7mm-08. Fun to shoot and easy to reload for. I just wished they made more guns in the caliber.
I have two 7mm 08
Winchester StaBall 6.5 powder turned my 7mm08 into a rocket. Pushing 120gr Barnes ttsx at 3200fps, 140 at 3020fps, 150 nosler ballistic tips at 2920, and 165 Sierra game changers at 2800fps can achieve 2850 but starting to see pressure at max load. Crazy numbers and excellent accuracy. I purchased my 7mm08 in a weatherby vanguard which comes with a 24” barrel so I’m definitely getting every foot of velocity I can.
+1 for that staball 6.5. I've seen the same sort of results in my 7mm-08.
Those are impressive numbers. With the 7mm-08 powder capacity goes down rapidly with monometallic bullets. Do you have any experience with those? I'm working up moose loads for mine with 160 grain Federal TBT's and trying to decide if I should wait until I can find some of this powder.
@@denisleblanc4506 only mono bullets I’ve used are the 120 Barnes ttsx. However the Sierra game changers are about as long as you can get in a 7mm bullet. They were 165s. Now saying that I am able to lengthen them pretty long because the weatherby magazine allows for it. I would have to say it would be pretty close to the same results if not the same. With the heavy bullets in 7mm08 and the win powder pressure hit pretty quick. Half grain under max no pressure then max load getting ejector marks. But every gun is different.
@@Rushshooting67913 Thanks for the prompt reply. I still think this powder might be better than others to reach higher velocities. I'm using H414 now so StaBall would at least be more temperature stable. I might even go down to 150 Barnes bullets that should be shorter and gain more speed.
@@denisleblanc4506 you’ll definitely like this powder. Easy to work with and I originally purchased this for the 6.5 creedmor. After trying it in the 7mm08 I was so impressed I bought another jug of it and specifically use it for the 7mm. I was having trouble getting the 120s and 140s to shoot accurately. I was getting groups between 2-4 inches as soon as I used that powder it turned my gun into a sub moa gun. H414 is a good powder but the temp stable problem with that usually keeps me away. I’d say try it out you’ll definitely like it I’m seeing around 100fps jump with all bullet weights.
Please do a solo profile of the 7mm Remington magnum 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
ahhh the 7mm rem mag. I love the 30-06 but wow does the 7mm do amazing things. Its nice and fast, shoots a medium weight bullet well.
I love all cartridges, but when your shooting the 30-06, your not only shooting a piece of history, your shooting a piece of freedom! And the 30-06 can do almost anything (within 300 ish yards)
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Check out trex shooting a beer can w the 7 mag @ 1000 yards
This 👆🏼
7mm rm is trash. Far too inefficient
7mm-08 might be most underrated round at the moment
I debating cartridge selection for a bolt action rifle build. I flipping back and forth between 7mm-08 vs. 270 Winchester…
I love my 7mm Rem mag. I bought it last November and was lucky enough to get a few boxes of ammo before they sold out. I took it shooting and after dialing it in, which took about 5 shots, I found out it's major flaw. I was just shooting around a little and I soon realized I'd shot 18 of my bullets! It's so fun to shoot I didn't realize I'd just burned through $45. At that price, I can't consider it to be a plinker, like a .22. Watch out! Seriously, a hoot to shoot! Loved your video and all your content.
Now that was a great video. 7mag was my pick also.Awesome to have you guys back making videos. Maybe 7mm vs 30cal video?
After your The Ultimate Elk Hunting Rifle" and Savage Ultralight review I went out and got one in .280 Ai (already have a Remington mountain in .280 rem) added a Muzzlebrake and kicks less than my 25.06. With the 7mm projectile so available reloading the .280Ai is easy. Super informative love the Excel. Another great video, thanks guy's keep Um coming!
I like this set up. This is going to be my next rifle.
For elk size game or bigger 30-06 or better.Smaller rifles will do up close.the 270,280,280 ai,up to four hundred or a little bit farther the big 7s and the bigger the better for large game that is the 6,5 weatherby would be great.although I haven't heard of anybody hunting the big bears.I sure someone tried though.
Ackley's designs tend to improve bullet seating, brass and throat life, and powder efficiency, which become more important if you load your own.
Or you can be the ultimate 7mm hipster and go for a .284 Win.
Very informative review on common 7mm cartridges. I have no exp with some of them but I have had a 7mm Rem mag, the 280 and now the 7-08. I have never had any issues with any of them. That little 7-08 is an amazing cartridge in my 2008 Remington CDL. I have shot moose, elk, deer and black bear with it. I like rifles and cartridges and over the last 50yrs I have used a lot of different calibers/rifles/ammo. My first exp with the 7-08 was way back in the late 90's when visiting a taxidermist friend who was doing up a 6pt elk. He told me the elk was shot by a young hunter who was with his dad using a 7-08 at 400yds loaded up with 140gr Nosler Partition. Over the years I have had a number of rifles/cartridges in 7mm Rems, 280s, 270s, 30-06s, 300WinMags, 7mmWSM, 300WSM, 270WSM, 358Win, 35Whelen, 35Rem, 30-30s, 25-06, 308 Marlin Exp, 45-70s, 444 but when I go to buy a new rifle/cartridge and sell off a couple rifles that little 7-08 never comes to mind.
After almost 60 years of hunting with almost all the popular calibers you are spot on even though I have a 28 nosler too the 7 rem mag. Is very hard to beat! Great video as always!
"All of this is fun to me" Love you guys. I am a big proponent of 7mm. Especially the 7 Rem Mag. My first rifle as a young man was a 700BDL 7RemMag. I just bought a Savage Storm 7RemMag for elk. I Handload so I have reduced loads I am practicing with for whitetail.
My first rifle was also the model 700 BDL in 7 Rem mag, that rifle has seen many miles in the mountains. Unfortunately I split better than an inch of the end of the barrel a handful of years ago , putting down an elk,, and have yet to decide if I want to cut it or re-barrel it.
The old dependable 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag are going to stand the test of time as very versatile cartridges!
.243, .30-30 .270, .308, .30-06, 7mag, 300mag.
I love my 300wm but the belt can be a pain in the &$& if you happen to have the wrong cases.
Tip - get hornady or fed 300wm brass. I’d choose hornady and neck turn them
@@Sanus180 peterson's long brass seems interesting to me. I have some remington brass im planning to use but ill probably pick up some of the Peterson brass eventually since I'm using a weatherby vanguard and my chamber is likely a mile long and some of their brass is made for that. Hornady and norma are probably tied for my second choice if buying brass for .300 win mag from what I've seen.
versatile if ignore the powder charge and recoil for so many who dont need it , not taking anything that require it. let alone dealing with recoil which takes fun out of it.
This is the exact content that I look for most of the time in hunting/gun videos. Keep up the amazing work!!
7mm Rem mag. Great for antelope to elk. Light enough recoil for both my son and daughter to use on youth hunts. Perfect western cartridge in my humble opinion.
I agree, I have the 7mm Rem Mag and while hunting don't notice the recoil at all. I have a browning X-bolt SS and I regularly have overlapping bullet holes at 100 yards. That said it's not a great target shooting rifle, when I first got it I put 40 rounds through it and the range and my shoulder was sore. I smartened up started bringing a .22 lr for target practice and would put 9-12 through the 7 and would take the 7 to a farm to practice greater distances, however it's so accurate and consistent there is almost no need. The 7mm RM impresses accuracy at distance. I will say that 7-08 is impressive none the less and I just my pick one up one day. I would not take a 6.5 creedmor if someone gave me one, it's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist (other than spur new rifle sales).
@@Steve-yr5vi a solution to long range target competitions, designed as such. about the same power as the 6.5 swede, a European moose cartridge for the last 100 years. if you think the 6.5 was a solution to a problem that doesnt exist, you dont know your ass from a hat. and if you think its not a dandy hunting cartridge, your a terrible shot and frankly, i dont want to be in the woods with you.
I married into a hunting family and bought my first hunting rifle (my first gun ever) at age 32. It was a Savage 110 with a wood stock in 7mm Rem. I learned quickly not to put budget scopes on it, because the sharp nature of the recoil would break the optics loose. Didn't do my shoulder any good either, but I took elk at over 350 yards with it on two occasions. I later replaced it with a synthetic stocked Weatherby Vanguard in 300 Wby. Despite what the energy numbers say, I find the 300 much more pleasant gun to shoot. Maybe it's the built in Pachmayr Decelerator (or the fact that I weight 80 pounds more these days), but I can put a couple of boxes through that thing with no discomfort or flinching. On the other hand, my twelve-year-old daughter was able to shoot her 7mm-08 with no trouble at all, and she was a just a little slip of a girl at that age. The mix of solid power vs light recoil on the 7mm-08 is almost magic. With the addition of an adult stock, I'd be happy to hunt elk with it.
Great review, I have had my 7 mag since 1985 and it was used when it became mine after my father passed. I handloaded back then and can remember when Barnes introduced the "X" bullet, that bullet was a game changer for elk hunting with that caliber.
We need a cartridge profile of the 7mm Rem Mag! One of the most popular and best all around North America big game rounds ever created!
I have two 7mm Rem mags,one .300 wsm, and a .308 win. I always grab one of my 7 mags whenever and whatever I’m hunting. Thanks for the info! Great video
I’m looking into a 7mm-08 as well but as a sheep rifle since it’s a short action but still packing plenty of power, Howa’s new carbon stalker is very intriguing to me. At 4 pounds 10 ounces for the 7mm-08 how could it not be?!?! would love to see a review on this rifle, hopefully even in that chambering!! Keep up the great content, love the channel!!
I have the Tikka t3x superlite chambered in 7mm-08 and it’s awesome. Barely over a 6 pound gun.
Being a fan of the 7mm cartridges I enjoyed this video. I purchased one of the re-released 7mm Express Remington 700 rifles back in 1980. The 7mm Express (really just a 280 Remington) is a fine cartridge. I had a 7mm Mag for a while but didn't like the extra weight of the rifle or ammunition for just little gain. The 280 AI narrows the gap even more and I have one of these two. Mostly I buy the argument that factory ammo being more available makes the 7mm Magnum a better choice. But for the reloader, I'd much rather load the 280 AI and it would be my hands down choice between the two and it isn't even close. Also, the original 7x57 is so close to the 7mm-08 that, if you reload, it is every bit as good of choice as the 7mm-08.
Great video as always. I just bought a 7mm rem mag tikka base on your previous videos. Keep up the great work!
same and couldnt be happier
I was sold on the idea of a 30-06 until I stumbled upon a great deal on a second-hand A-Bolt Medallion in 7mm Rem Mag, and I have not regretted it once.
I also love the 7mm rem mag! Has some serious smackdown and incredibly accurate!
The 280 AI is right their close on the heels as is the 284 winchester.But the 7mm definitely has the advantage at long range.unless a person has lazzaronni 7mm lazzaronni meteor.
I was really considering a 28 Nosler over a 6.5 PRC but the discussion about barrel life CHANGED MY MIND! lol
Ammo availability changed me to 28 nosler
It's all about the intended purpose.
Check the ballistics using Hornady factory ELDX ammo and you will see 7mm mag beats 6.5 PRC any distance from muzzle to 1000 yards.
I hunt and target shoot with a 30-06 and 270. I bought the 270 for hiking with a lighter weight rifle on mountain hunts to shoot flatter in swirling winds. Later I bought a Bergara 7mm-08 and I love the rifle so much I made it my range rifle. I am a big guy and recoil does not bother me much, but my point is I can watch the bullet hit targets in the scope. Thank you for the video.
I’d take the 7 rem mag hands down
Thanks for the info. I had 7mm rem mag. Going to buy new rifle when someone mentioned 28 nosler.
Barrel life is what changed my mind. Sticking with 7mm mag
7mm-08 > 6.5 creed. prove me worng.
The 7mm-08 is a superior round, but you can get just about any model rifle you want in the 6.5.
@@stimproid for a 7mm-08 custom barrel + trueing of a 700 SA or LA by a top smith 1100 USD I'd go 100% for a custom. Even a 7mm-08 AI. That's the plan for my m24 clone.
Came back to this after the final cartridge wars. Only a little sore that 7mm-08 didn't make it further. 7mm Rem. Mag. is great if you want the magnum power outside of that 500 yard usable range of 7mm-08.
I’d love to see a 7mag vs 6.8 western video!
Please
Or 7mm wsm vs 6.8 western
Samuel Berryhill Ohhh that’s a great comparison
And 6.5 PRC
thats no contest, even the 270 beats the unknown 6.8, the 7mm RM is far better, the 7 RM is the best 28 cal out there, with the exception of maybe the 7mm weatherby, ua-cam.com/video/8k9I6cL1UhI/v-deo.html
I was wondering when your next video was coming to the tube. And lo and behold, my favorite cartridge and it’s family. Thanks. I’m sure you will get your share of disagreements but it’s a good video with research and facts. Thanks again!
I've had a 7mm Mag for over 50 years... and love it
That being said, I sure would have liked to see the 7 x 57 in there too. I think it's a very under rated cartridge... and one of the best
Back in 1973 when I bought my rifle I wanted a 280 (7mm 06) but could not find one in a bolt action so I opted for the 7mm Rem Mag.. After having it Mag-Na-Ported it tamed it down to a livable recoil and muzzle jump.. Long story but I live in Maine (a lot of forest), longest shot made on deer (80 yards).. If I had to do it all over again I would get the 7mm-08 (7mm version of a 308), hands down and shoot 175 grain bullets.. Have not hunted with a rifles in decades, For a long time I used a muzzle loader but for years have hunted with a compound bow or a crossbow.. To me, hunting is getting as close as possible, it isn't about killing it is about getting close undetected.. If you are going to shoot an unsuspecting animal at 500 or 600 yards you may just as well shoot paper - to me that is not hunting, it is just target practice..
I just bought a 280ai for a lightweight hunting rifle. One big advantage it has is that it is not a magnum cartridge so rifle will be lighter by a pound or more.
I'm sure you know this but the best bullet weight for the 7mm-08 is a 150 grain. The numbers would most likely be a bit higher if you had used a 150 grain bullet. Great video. Thx.
There is a very good reason why the 7rem mag has stayed extremely popular for nearly 60 years and will continue to stay popular for another 60, for all round bang for buck performance it eats these other 7mm cartridges,
Yup. Pretty hard to improve on perfection. The 28 nosler is a 404 Jeffrey's. WTF, And with all that extra powder it only beats the 7mag by a couple hundred ft. WHATS NEXT A 50 BMG Necked up to 284 just to say it's better than a 7mag. GEEZ LOUISE. Nobodys gonna burn out a tube in a 7mm.rem mag cuz it's not a gun you go to the range and blow through a hundred rounds .
The .280 rem is pretty damn underappreciated. The .280ai and 7mm mag both are only slightly faster, I dunno why it's not more popular.
I own two 280’s, neither are ackley improved. My personal favorite cartridge.
Iv'e had my Browning A-Bolt with a Boss on it for over 30 years. It's chambered in 7 Rem Mag. I have taken dozens of deer and several moose with it over the years and have never had to pull the trigger more than once on any of them. One moose was taken at 275 yards and the longest shot on the deer was 475 yards. I used to shoot 140 Gr. Nosler Partitions through it but when I started to hunt moose I bumped it up to 160 Gr. Nosler Partitions. With the Boss system muzzle brake it kicks about like my .243 Win. It's also a tack driver but is quite a heavy gun and don't even think about shooting it without hearing protection. What more could you ask from a hunting rifle.
Great video!
7mmRemMag! The best overall 7mm for many reasons. I’ve been shooting one for years in my Savage . I’m pretty sure I’ve fired well over 2000 rounds in my Savage and it still turns in .6 of an inch groups at 100 yards with its favorite load.
That is impressive, Skip. What grain bullet do you like for that accuracy and barrel life?
Thanks,
I have always hand loaded all my calibers and worked up favorite hunting loads based on accuracy with a particular bullet suitable for deer size game but with exception to my Savage 7mm mag. As it turned out, my testing of factory ammo with it, prior to my purchase of 7mag reloading dies, showed me that Federal Premium loaded with the Nosler 150 grain ballistic tip bullet consistently gave .6 of an inch groups at the 100 yard mark. Two hundred yards was still holding inch and a half and sometimes even less when I really concentrated. I’ve shot at longer distances as well but just confirming shots and not really trying for tight groups. When I found this load to shoot consistently like it does, I just settled on it for a hunting load and have never really worked up a favorite hand load for this rifle. I have loaded practice and plinking loads for it and they all do well but I just never tried to best that Federal load for hunting. As for barrel wear, I can see or feel no throat erosion and the rifling is sharp and bright. I don’t have a bore scope so there could be some wear that I can’t see but the rifle itself still shoots that load remarkably well. I have plenty of that federal ammo to use for hunting, most likely enough to last my lifetime and then some but I’m not sure if Federal Premium is still offering that exact load or not in their current lineup.
Good video content. For me, I love the 7Mag as my primary go-to.
I like the 7mm-08 best out of the group you show. It's mild but effective.
no, we have not all shot the 6.5 Manbun by now. Some of us are a bit more traditional and have put lots of lead down range with our 6.5x55 Swedes. ;)
Who needs a CM when the x55 is so much better... and the x55AI even more so. 😉
We basically agree on the favourite. However, if I were to do it all again I'd go for the .280 Remington.
The 7mm Rem Mag was introduced in 1962 like you mentioned. The Remington 700 that you spoke of was also introduced in 1962. One more thing that you did not mention was that “I” was introduced to the world in that year as well. I did not expect you to know that last bit of information. I had a Rem 700 action trued and a 26” Krieger 1-8” twist barrel screwed onto it with a Vais brake. This rifle shoots the Hornady 175 ELDX into bug holes and the recoil is about the same as my .25-06 shooting 100 grain Barnes TTSX. Love the old 7mm RM!
I would think the 280AI would be the best overall. Workable range and wind numbers.
all day
surprised that you picked the 7mm mag over the 280AI. i just had a rifle built in 280AI and absolutely love the round. It doesn't take near the powder charge as a 7mm mag and its way more efficient. Plus, its now being produced over the counter so you can pick it up at any decent sporting goods store, pre-Covid!
Growing up my neighbor use to be a sniper, he always swore by the 7mm mag. I’m in the market looking for a bigger game rifle, so I’m doing a little research before I pull the trigger. Things keep pointing to the 7mm mag. Thanks for the video, I love all the spreadsheets
I love the 7mm rem mag. I shot a 26 nosler and came up with the same conclusion about barrel life and recoil. My son talked me into a 7mm-08, but I can’t find any ammo anywhere.
Great video, keep up the good work.
I feel your pain! I've been looking everywhere for 7mm-08 with no luck. Since the 6.5 Creedmoor took the world by storm and everyone seeming to think it's the best thing since sliced bread, the 7mm-08 has become even less popular (production wise). Who knows when we'll see ammo again. I know I love the caliber and will continue to hunt whitetail with it as long as I can find ammo. I'm literally at the point of reloading.
7mm08 all the way for all around hunting. If I need more juice I'd go with a 338.
Yeah I'm a 7mm guy. I own a 7x57 Mauser and a 7mm rem mag. I'm limited to .275 caliber where I live so that's where the 7x57 (.275 Rigby) comes in. The 7mm rem mag is my moose and long range deer cannon. Excellent video, just stumbled across your channel and I'm binge watching a bunch of them!
The 7 Rem Mag was my first bolt action rifle, I’ve learned a lot about it over the past 25 years.
The information that you put across in your video is pretty much spot on. I will only add it’s a overbore, so to get the max barrel life out it I won’t shoot any bullet liter than 160 Gr’s . A muzzle break does make a big difference when shooting prone.
I like the 7-08, not to forget the 7x57.
7mm remington, all day long. Best performance, for the cost. Can find lots of second hand rifles, at great prices
I bought a Browning BLR in 7-08 for speed and compactnes, where I hunt 100 yds is way out jonder. For everything else 300 Wing Mag, A bit more omph than 7 mm Mag for bit larger game ( hmmm, 338 for rabbits to Bear if limited to just one Gun)
We need a 7mm Win Mag because the .300 Win Mag kicks like a mule. With a nice muzzle brake, it's like shooting a 243
These videos are so good. So much information. Thank you.
I'd like to point out an advantage on a belt headspace that nobody takes into account. When a shell is laying in the chamber it might not be laying exactly center of the chamber. And that offset can affect accuracy quite readily. My very first Centerfire rifle was a 7 mil mag Ruger model 77, I adjusted to trigger because I prefer a very light trigger on a rifle, any rifle. I put a three to nine redfield-wide field scope on it, the rifle weighs 9 lb without the scope and I believe it had a 26 inch barrel which was rather thin. My first 20 round group went into a.049 in Center to Center spread. I fired a number of groups and never did I fire a group that was any larger than that. The advantage that I'm talking about is that when the headspace is on that belt the cartridge is being held like a cantilever Center on the bore. The load I was given was three grains over the max load of any book at the time, this is 1980, it was nine grains or 67 grains I don't remember which of h4350. A powder which you can't overload anyway. And it would shoot either the Hornady or the spear 140 grain Spire points equally at 100 yards and those two rounds have a completely different ogive. So I don't think it was a relatively short free bore that allowed the firearm to be particularly accurate. But it was blisteringly accurate.
I heard another videographer claim lately that the belted Magnums were before cartridges were really well developed. Which is nothing but used foodstuffs of the male bovine variety. The belted Magnum came along after many other very accurate cartridges and they understood how cartridges head space and everything else. I believe that the belt was purposely made to keep the round centered in the chamber. The only advantage that they've come up with since that time, since the early 80s was about the time of the 6.5 Creedmoor they realize that if they tighten the chamber up where there's less slap in the chamber and they control the free bore and the jump of the bullet to where it engages the rifling before it exits the case. They'll have a much more accurate rifle. That's and we went from rifles that were shooting decently at a thousand yards to easily surpassing 1500 yards or even more if you had a bullet that was going fast enough and had enough ballistic coefficient to maintain stability. We now have rifles that will easily shoot accurately and consistently out in excess of 2500 yd.
The sharp shoulder of the Ackley improved provides a couple of advantages. It keeps you from having to trim your brass very often, and it also keeps the burn rate more stable within the cartridge and it keeps from burning the throat area of the chamber with the powder as it burns down the bore further than you would like. It actually creates almost a place where the powder doesn't continue to burn down the bore and erode the throat and beginnings of the lands and grooves. It saves excess wear on the barrel and allows the barrel to live a little longer.
My wife shoots a 6mm Remington which is even softer recoil energy and velocity than 6.5 Creedmore, yet shes always dropped every deer hit. Her dad did well selecting that rifle in the late 1970s.
The 7mm Remington Magnum with the right bullet, powder combination with a 26" barrel, is simply stupid accurate for the hand loader!! You might argue 30-06, or 300 Win Mag all day. That's fine. I shoot 1/4 MOA groups with my Weatherby Vanguard S1....Shot for shot...Can't beat the 7mm rem Mag....I'm going 7mm Rem Mag all day long. Best Bang for your buck...6.5 creedmore is over rated... Accurate less recoil but everything the 6.5 creedmore does, the 7 mm Remington mag does it better.😁 I would argue that the 7mm-08 Is a better choice than a 6.5 creed in these times!!!
Yes and 6.5 is expensive as hell
you should really take your rifle to competition to back up those claims! thats better bench accuracy than many a championship rifles that have won the competitions the 6.5 creed was made for, so it should be a chip shot for you if you weren't totally full of shit!
Got 30 years of 7mm Remington Magnum with no complaints. 150 gr Ballistic Tips from a 24" barrel is a tack driver. 7mm-08 might be worth a look also!
Well said - I agree!
Thanks couldn't agree more. I'm very happy with my 7MM Rem Mag. I have my sweet loads. It's like total confidence in your shot.
Great video. Cartridge comparisons will always be a hit and your ability to put data behind it even makes it more fun
Yes!!!! You guys make amazing content! Once you get your frequency higher, you'll grow quicker!
I’m a huge fan of 7mm in various cartridges. They all have their place and depends on what you want to do with them. 7mm08 and 7mmRM/28 Nosler are definitely for designed for different purposes.
The 28 Nosler is a real powerhouse.
And the same thing happened to a mate of mine on a Hartmann’s Zebra.
Luckily he was. shooting a 340 Wby.
This is a real argument for energy and retained velocity.
I started with a 280 Remington, graduated to 7mm REM Mag, the to a 7mm STW and finally to the 28 Nosler. These are custom rifles over many years and using muzzle breaks. If my wife or daughter wants to hunt I’ll be building a 7mm08.
You left out the old 280 Remington also known as the 7mm Remington Express. An extremely underrated cartridge based on the 30-06 case. I have one in a Remington 760 pump. Beautiful old rifle.
I own one in a Browning ABolt. It is a good shooter my go to rifle. 👍🏻
I just bought a 280 AI in a Weatherby Backcountry Ti.... great round but I agree with you. 7mm Rem Mag! Classic.
That Ackley will do everything the 7mag does with better brass life, less recoil, less powder. Ammo availability sucks for everything these days lol.
@@sneakybow1 I have the 7 REm Mag too and while the 280AI is great and more efficient I can get a bit more out of the big REm. Is 100-150 ft/sec that impt? Probably not.
I really enjoy hunting. Most the people I hunt with I feel that I have taught them a great deal. From over my years of hunting I’ve learned 1000 ft lbs of energy is more than enough for elk. A lot of my friend used to hunt with 300 Win Mags because they said between 1500 - 2000 lbs of energy is needed. Then we would get in to max range a person should shoot at any animal. So I would just let them elaborate and convince me on why a 300 WM is needed for elk. They all came to the conclusion that between 500 - 600 yards should be max range on any animal. So I said ok. My turn. So if y’all believe that it takes 1500 -2000 ft lbs of kinetic energy to be considered a elk rifle and the max distance is between 500-600 yards than my 260 Rem w/ a 140 grain Burger is more than enough gun. My 260 retains 2000 ft lbs of energy at 350 yards and 1500 lbs of energy out to 600 yards.Then i asked them what was their furthest shot? It seamed none of them have ever shot over 300 yards. I told them some of y’all have seen me drop elk just shy of 1000 yards with my 260 Rem. So I told them we can through their theory about the amount of energy that is needed out the window. So I asked, so if a 260 Rem can drop a elk just shy of 1000 yards and y’all have seen me do it, then why do you need a 300 WM for elk at 500-600 yards? All I heard was crickets. Now most of the people I hunt with now shoot 7-08, 260, Rem 308. 1 uses a 6.5 CM, 280 Rem. I take my 7 Mag for back up. I all ways take a back up.
I've owned several center fire rifle calibers over the last 70 years. I am now long of tooth at 85. My rifle of choice for a long time was the venerable 30/06. My choice now is the 7/08 Remington. It's enough for all North American game excepting the big bears. It is light to carry it's recoil is mild and the brand I choose is extremely accurate at a good price.
Yes... was waiting for this. Awesome fellas, loved it.
7mm Rem Mag fans: As on average joe I took a Savage weather warrior, Boyd's stock, PacNor 27" tube with a suppressor and built my perfect gun for Western Hunting. 168g Berger Hunting VLD, 3045 at the muzzle. 600y, 59 degrees, 3000ft Elv. 54" elevation with a 200y zero. I've never needed more. Man that was a fantastic video, keep'em coming.
Iam old have had a 7mag and a 280 for 40 years and both are great.
A 7mm-08 Ackley Improved interests me? Maybe close to 280 Remington/ 7mm Ackley Improved overall?
Great video. I have three of those. 7mm-08 in a weatherby, 7mm Rem Mag in a weatherby, and the 280AI in a Nosler.
I reload for all of them. I have a hard time choosing a favorite. I've never had a shot on game beyond 300 yards. If you were going to take two of the cartridges away so I'd only have one to hunt with, as much as miss my weatherby rifles, I'd keep the 280AI. With my handloads, I can equal or nearly equal the performance of the mag in every bullet weight from 139 to 175. Heck with one particular winchester powder I get 3000 fps out of my 7mm-08 with 139g bullets. An absolute blistering round for deer sized game.
I've been shooting a 7mm STW Browning A-bolt stainless stalker for over 20yrs and it's been a fantastic.
Good video, and I agree with you. A couple other benefits for the final 2. 7mm Rem Mag, obviously you're going to be able to find ammo just about anywhere in normal times, .280 AI not so much. A plus for the .280 AI, a great option when it's time to re-barrel that old .30-06 which is my case, and if you hand load it's great cartridge.
I love my 7mm-08! Pretty much mirrors my 30-06 in everything but recoil
The only problem with the 7mm mag is you get a very narrow twist rate from factory guns.
Usually 1:9, that prevents the newer longer bullets. The AI is usually custom built or the factory versions have a quicker twist rate. 1:8 will shoot much longer heavier bullets.
Great video! I own the 28N, 280AI, 7-08, & 30-06. Had a 7mm & If I had to pick one and only one of them it would be the 280AI. Coming from a hand loader perspective you can surpass the 7mag velocities with the 280AI and you get more case life, barrel life, etc. all with less powder and recoil of a magnum cartridge. That’s just my experiences anyhow, but great video nonetheless.
I would have to agree. I just got a custom 280 AI built and will be reloading. Getting 3000fps with a 175 grain bullet which is running much quicker than what he showed in the video. Still liked the information though
Not true! 280 ackley doesn't have the capacity of the 7mm Remington. If you achieve higher velocities with the 280 ai shooting the same bullets YOU ARE OVER PRESSURE!! You can come close but no cigar, okay!! So much bs out here. Physics are physics, not magic.
@@terryhenry8243 so with a 145g Barnes LRX in a 280ai I’m getting 2960.8fps with 58.2g of H4831SC a factory Hornady case and a 200 CCI. No signs of pressure no heavy bolt lift. With the same set up in a 7mag(I don’t own anymore) from the Barnes manual in the same bullet and powder max was getting 2910fps and that was 62.4g max load. I didn’t come close to the Barnes manual numbers. My point is with a non belted magnum and less powder with the same bullet you CAN surpass the magnum cartridge. I understand every rifle and load build will be different. I’m my case it was better for the 280ai in velocity, case capacity from the powder I didn’t have to use and using a large primer and not a magnum primer. That being said having less recoil vs a belted magnum recoil IMO the 280ai is a better option for me. I’m also not saying you’re wrong I’m just saying this was my case.
Had me agreeing with you right up to the end when you compared it to a Ford F-150.
Glad to see you back doing reviews
I bought my 7MM Rem mag about 35 years ago because of one of the projectiles had a ballistic coefficient of 648 or 628 (I forget which). I shot it about 250 times before I stopped hunting. I am an average shooter but able to shoot 1 moa at 200 yards from a bench rest which is different from real world hunting but I was always happy with my accuracy in the field. and more than 90% of the time was able to kill cleanly in one shot. Now at 78 YO and with poor eyesight in my dominate eye I realize my personal accuracy is not very good so I past my excellent Vanguard bolt action rifle to my much younger brother in law. I would go to the range at the start of the season but would usually only shoot 3-4 rounds because the rifle was right on every time, it stayed very true to the 1st sighting in which took 10 rounds.
Impressed with your barrel life algorithm. lines up with the hours i spent googling lol
7mm Rem Mag with 26inch barrel shooting ELDX is a solid combo.
Do a video about 7mm Remington ultra magnum vs 28 noslser thats a real comparison
So glad to see that you guys are continuing on with this information it is so awesome, I used it with one kids to help determine which cartridge to go with their first hunting rifle.
If the 280ai was more available I would be very interested. Less recoil and not far off the 7mm rem mag in ballistics
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You gotta get you a .280 AI, you can shoot 280ai and .280 rem ammo out of the same rifle! That’d be a fun video!
I want to see you shot the new 27 nosler. Same recall as a 7mm rem mag but more power down range then the 7 rem mag and the 300 win mag. But you might only get 900 shots out of a rifle, then new barrel.
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This is a fantastic presentation. I appreciate the mix of nerd numbers and practical application considerations. Thank you!
I'm a big fan of the 28 Nosler for hunting elk on up. It's a barrel burning hard bucking cartridge but it's like a death ray when you shoot something with it!!! Great break down and video...
7mm-08 is just as powerful as 308 with a better ballistics coefficient
A 140gr bullet in 7mm-08 also has the same sectional density as a 165gr bullet in .308 (SD of .248), and a 150gr bullet in 7mm-08 has almost the same sectional density as a 180gr bullet in .308 (.266 vs .271), giving it good penetration for its grain size.
Seeing as you also visited Africa, Show the 7x64 and 7x57 some love. Most popular african 7mm cartridges
Just cuz he went there doesn't mean he has any experience with those rounds. Plus he stated he took the 28 nosler so he probably didn't even look at other rifles there during his hunt
@@Elksniffer1 they are worth investigating though. With cool history, the influence it had on American military cartridge development, the hunting history in Africa and Europe. Very nice performing cartridges as well right in that medium sweet spot
Back when i had a .30-06 and a 7mm rem mag, I could clearly tell a substantial difference in recoil, the 7mm mag was much harder on the shoulder, and that was a heavier gun than the 06.
I found my 7 mm mag with the synthetic stock and a nice shoulder pad that came on it had a lot less recoil than my brothers 30 out six with the wood stock
Yes, hang on tight and breathe 😊 love it
Great video, love my 7mm 08 for Idaho Elk and Mule Deer
My house was robbed and they took my whole gun safe. I had 36 guns in it😡 so I just decided to buy an all around rifle that could take anything that I'll ever hunt. I chose the 7mm Rem. magnum
Did I miss the video where you sold your X-Bolt?
That would be worth a few clips since you had a video where you introduced the XBolt to us.
You have a great opportunity to tell stories with your guns as characters...even with your Missberg Patriot.
My second center-fire cartridge 43 years ago was 7mm Magnum in a Parker Hale Mauser. 1/4" MOA. Of course, I sold it many years ago. Now, I'm deciding between the 7mm Remington Magnum and the 280 Ackley Improved as my long range any game rifle. I would get a 26" barrel in the Magnum and a 24" in the Ackley. I still haven't decided! Thanks for the detailed info. I love the 30-06, 25-06, 243 Win, 35 Remington, 303 British, 223, among others, but the 7mm is the best in BC/SC and heavier bullets.
2 favorite 284s are 7mm08 and 280 ai. The 280 with 168 barnes lrx perfect deer to moose load. 7mm 08 elk load is 155 terminal ascent
I’m one of those guys that say the belt can cause feeding issues. Lol. To be fair, it’s only happening in my 7mag and not on any of my other belted mags like my 300 weatherby. The belt on my 7s grab the belt of the cartridge under it in my mags. It will snag the round underneath by the belt and the bolt will push both rounds forward and the top round will try to chamber and the bullet of the cartridge underneath will lodge between the round being chambered and my bolt head. Best case, the second round will slide back into the mag but the bullet of that second round will have a huge zipper line down the bullet because the bolt head gouged it while chambering my round. I have 4 other belted mags but the difference is they are all internal magazines with the hinged floor plate and that 7mag is a detachable box magazine.