Same test with a set of classic calibres; 22-250, .243, .270, 30-30, 30-06, 7 Rem Mag, 45-70. Then chart it with this set of current data. Fascinating to physically see the effect of recoil
@@xopherbryant Yes! With the others, and it would be nice to see ft lbs of energy as well...just to see what bullet they're shooting, and which one tends to be the most efficient for the recoil amount.
@@bmstylee Bit late, but a brake has a lot more use than "oh this hurts so bad when it kicks" For 5.56 applications, a brake lets you keep the muzzle more on target and put rounds in a tighter group faster. For hunting or long range a brake does something similar, it keeps your scope on the target so you can see your own impacts. Both important, literally nothing to do with "hard kicking guns" or otherwise.
This is great information, and the first that I had ever seen with the graphical comparison that your video as displayed. Thank you for sharing this information with us.
Thanks for this video. I would like to see a chart showing the recoils of all the major (and minor) calibers. I've been considering a .300 WM for a while so I am biased to want a comparison to similar cartridges in that spectrum, but I think it would be helpful to everybody to see "all" the caliber recoils on your scaled measuring apparatus. Thanks for the work you put into this video. It's only a few minutes of content (which is nice), but I'm sure the work that goes into it is many many hours.
This is awesome ‼️ Thank you so much for putting this together. I really appreciate it. Hopefully in the future, you guys can test the 25.06 ; in the lineup from 25 calibers through the 27 or 28 calibers 🤙 Thanks again ‼️😎
Very nice video! Only you know how much work there was behind the scene... It would be great having some "older" but still common catridges there like .357, .44Mag, 9mm, .243 Win, .270 Win, 7,62x39, .30-30 Win, .30-06, .338 WinMag, .375 H&H, .45-70, A comparison in one caliber only but different bullet weights with the naked barrel, muzzle break and silencer would be awesome.
Great video man!! It would be awesome if you could somehow be able to do: .300 Blackout, .50 BMG, .408 Cheyenne Tactical, .375 Cheyenne Tactical and .416 Barret (but assume that the platform you have may not support those calibers).
I'd like to see comparisons between light bullets vs heavy in 6.5 creed and 308. Preferably within the same manufacturer of ammo and highest claimed velocities
If you can do handgun rounds that would be cool. So .380 ACP, 9mm, .357 mag, .45 ACP, .44 mag, .50AE and then maybe some others like 5.7, .38 sp, .44 sp, .50 GI, 500 S&W, and maybe some more big bore hand cannon rounds I don't remember off the top of my head.
Any chance we can get the same test but with a 2 or 3 chamber brake? Would love to see if the extra gasses from the higher calibers impart enough force on the brake to even out the recoil between the rounds. Great video as always btw!
The classic rounds would be another great video. Also a video series with the lightest to the heaviest round available for one caliber. Then you could have a small series of videos.
It would be interesting to look at perceived recoil. Typically a 338 Lapua is a much heavier gun than a 6.5 Cred so is the perceived recoil closer. I know there is variability in weights of different caliber guns but maybe use an average. Interesting stuff. Thanks for making the video.
Curious... The following has to do with trying to capture the timing of the shockwave that's produced when the powder is ignited inside the cartridge. People have already used a pressure sensor which is glued to the outside of the chamber area to measure pressure, but what if another similar sensor was glued to the muzzle and the test equipment was able to determine the delay between when the pressure started at the chamber and when the pressure was detected at the muzzle end? That delay, if measurable, could help one to determine the speed of the shockwave. Thoughts?
This shows why the 6.5 CM and the 6,5x55 are such good cartrigdes in real world performance. The combination of low recoil and sufficient penetration through big game animals is where its at. Recoil matters. The best shooters in the world wants low recoil. There is a reason why.
I'm curious about initial recoil speed, like say, the first 2 inches. I don't mind recoil so much if it's a strong push versus a quick karate chop. I assume rifle weight matters most, but what are the other factors?
The 6.5 PRC vs 308 surprised me also. Stock design and fitment must have a lot to do with "felt" tecoil. I have a 308 that is heavier than my 6.5 prc and I really thought the 308 recoiled just a little more. Makes sense though with the amount of powder consumption
I would be interested in seeing 338 Lapua vs 338 Norma vs 338 Win Mag. Also 50 BMG from a bolt action vs semiauto. It would be interesting to see what the recoil mechanism absorbs. I love my 338 Lapua and wish I never parted with my 300 Win Mag. I used to think 308 had pretty good recoil. After almost a decade behind several magnum rifles I shot a 308 recently and somehow it doesn't seem to kick like i remember.
I wonder how different the results would have been if the larger caliber barrels bore axis was more level like in the earlier tests,im sure its probably negligible,but wonder what the angle of recoil delivery changes in how the measurement instrument performs
Great video, how about more traditional calibers, 7mm , 30-06 etc. I have my grandfather’s 505 Gibbs it kicks like a mule it’s not a popular caliber over here but was used in Africa back in the day
Maybe I missed it in the explanation, but how did you choose what bullet weight for each caliber/round and how much would bullet weight effect the recoil?
We selected readily available off the shelf ammo. And we actually made a video on how bullet weight affects recoil and speed! Check it out here - ua-cam.com/video/xJX_8MYAZ7A/v-deo.html
So many factors especially weight of factory rifles with scope and mounts, comparing recoil of a hunting rig very very important, massive investment in quality rig and all those rifles with similar weights for accurate comparison, but 16lb rifles, few hunters carry that seriously.
Fantastic! Thank you for your very informative video! I would also love to see the 7mm PRC included in this review. On the other hand, if a muzzle brake or sound moderator (suppressor) is installed, how much difference would it make?
Fun video, cool project great for visuals. I can think of multiple different videos using this sled. I’d like to see mainstream hunting cartridges in standard, then lightweight hunting builds. I also expected a 7 in this test.
I really need information about how many grams of recoil a 12 caliber rifle gives. The scope I will use says it is recoil resistant up to 1000 grams, but 12 cal. How many grams of recoil does a 2.75 inch slug bullet with a slug barrel and 28 grams have? (61 cm and 3.5 kilogram rifle weight)
No 7mm's? I would like to see the 7mm SAUM. While this is interesting, do you have the ft.lb measurements for each caliber and just as important recoil velocities?
@@bmstylee I mentioned the 7mm SAUM as it has velocity and energy numbers very close to the PRC and Rem Mag, but in a smaller, more efficient, less powder hungry package. To get the most out of the 7 SAUM it really needs a standard length action to be able to shoot todays long, high BC bullets without intruding on the powder capacity and a faster twist barrel. So even though the SAUM is a true short action case length and the PRC is a quasi short action, all three calibers would best in long action rifles. The SAUM has a powder capacity of 72.6 gr H2O, the PRC and Rem Mag are both 82 gr H2O, the SAUM SAAMI spec is 65,000 psi where as the rem mag is 61,000 psi. A small increase in powder in a smaller volume can make a larger change in velocity vs the same powder increase in a larger case. I would not be concerned pushing the SAUM a bit as it was built from the 404 Jeffery case just like the 300 SAUM and the whole Remington Ultra Mag (RUM) family. All three are excellent cartridges for taking any game animal in North America and even many African game species.
A test of say different bullet weights would be cool. Like how much of an increase is there in say using an optimized 308 with a 168-175 grain bullet vs say a 200-210 grain
What about difference in loads, something like a 357 Magnum, 300 Blk, 44 Magnum and 30-30 that can have light high speed loads and subsonic heavy loads. There is a huge variation in felt recoil. The 300 Blackout can have 90 grain to 230 grain and speed from 700 fps to 2700 fps or so.
What are you hunting?. 6.5cm +7prc or 7mag is a great 2 gun setup. Neither 7prc /6.5prc is fun to shoot for extended time hence the 6.5cm rec, and you don't get better at shooting without practice. 6.5 prc doesn't really offer anything more than 6.5 cm except a third more recoil for only 100/150 more yards and 6.5cm is still a 6-700 yard gun which is plenty. Not a good tradeoff to go for a 6.5prc its kinda in no man's land. You can still shoot the same 147s in 6.5 cm.
Similar class cartridges like the 308 (243, 7mm-08 and so on)family, the 30-06 (270, 25-06, 338-06family. Or y popular cables in the same bullet diameter. .308, .30-06, 300WM, 300PRC
Generally the Caliber is in reference to type of bullet (ex. 6.5mm), Cartridge would be a 6.5 Creedmoor. However, they are terms that have been used interchangeably
Same test with a set of classic calibres; 22-250, .243, .270, 30-30, 30-06, 7 Rem Mag, 45-70. Then chart it with this set of current data. Fascinating to physically see the effect of recoil
This*** w comment sir!
who is paying for the rifle rigs all same weight? massive costs
@@keithprinn720 isn't MDT just swapping barrels?
@@Pog0ed .22lr and .308 share same action and bolt size as .223 and .338LM?
Should have tested them the way they're purchased
I would love to see a comparison between traditional hunting calibers, 270, 30-06, 300wm etc., layered with velocity to determine energy vs recoil
Would love to see 6.5 PRC vs 7 PRC vs 6.8 Western
x2 this would be interesting
Would love to see 22CM; 7Rem Mag; 7PRC in the Mix
Shoot a 3.5 " 12 gage shell with 1.5 oz of shot.....then tell me! 😂
@@xopherbryant Yes! With the others, and it would be nice to see ft lbs of energy as well...just to see what bullet they're shooting, and which one tends to be the most efficient for the recoil amount.
You don't really need to. Make them all the same weight and calculate kinetic energy of the bullet and accelerating gas.
Do this exact test again please but put the MDT muzzle brake on all of them.
I don't really see it making a huge difference on anything but the 300 PRC and the 338 Lapua. The rest aren't exactly hard kicking guns.
@@bmstylee It'd make a massive difference on all of them.
How did you calculate the percentage difference from .11" to 3.76"?
@@bmstylee Bit late, but a brake has a lot more use than "oh this hurts so bad when it kicks" For 5.56 applications, a brake lets you keep the muzzle more on target and put rounds in a tighter group faster. For hunting or long range a brake does something similar, it keeps your scope on the target so you can see your own impacts. Both important, literally nothing to do with "hard kicking guns" or otherwise.
You guys do some really great, straight to the point comparative testing. It's always very interesting.
Thank you and we will keep them coming
Repeating with brakes would be super interesting
The edit of all the recoils stacked on one another is incredible
Super cool test, for a 3:30 long video, I bet this took like 2+ days to plan & setup, thanks
Would be interesting to see the same test in a HNT 26, just to show how weight affects recoil.
Love this kind of information, this is one of the most interesting topics. Thank you so much.
First time I’ve ever seen anyone with a 42 on UA-cam, nicely done.
This is great information, and the first that I had ever seen with the graphical comparison that your video as displayed. Thank you for sharing this information with us.
Fantastic visualization of recoil instead of numerical quantification 22 ft lbs or 19.5 ft lbs, etc.
A lot of lever guns now have .357 mag and 44 mag. Would love to see how those plot on the chart. Also, I think you need a 50 BMG.
Thanks for this video. I would like to see a chart showing the recoils of all the major (and minor) calibers. I've been considering a .300 WM for a while so I am biased to want a comparison to similar cartridges in that spectrum, but I think it would be helpful to everybody to see "all" the caliber recoils on your scaled measuring apparatus. Thanks for the work you put into this video. It's only a few minutes of content (which is nice), but I'm sure the work that goes into it is many many hours.
Great suggestion and we can look into it.
Ya would have been curious to see the 7PRC also! Nice video
cool stuff. I know it's extra work but it's cool to see the testing mdt does. It adds legitimacy to your brand.
Beautiful setup and video!
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I was hoping to see a test of this kind for a very long time. Thank you
This is awesome ‼️ Thank you so much for putting this together. I really appreciate it.
Hopefully in the future, you guys can test the 25.06 ; in the lineup from 25 calibers through the 27 or 28 calibers 🤙 Thanks again ‼️😎
You're very welcome and thank you for watching. I will make sure to pass it onto our team and see if we can also test those calibers
Very nice video! Only you know how much work there was behind the scene... It would be great having some "older" but still common catridges there like .357, .44Mag, 9mm, .243 Win, .270 Win, 7,62x39, .30-30 Win, .30-06, .338 WinMag, .375 H&H, .45-70,
A comparison in one caliber only but different bullet weights with the naked barrel, muzzle break and silencer would be awesome.
Good idea, I will pass it on
@@MDTTAC Thank you guys!
Great video man!! It would be awesome if you could somehow be able to do: .300 Blackout, .50 BMG, .408 Cheyenne Tactical, .375 Cheyenne Tactical and .416 Barret (but assume that the platform you have may not support those calibers).
Good idea, we can look into a couple of those calibers
This is a great demo.
Thank you and we will make sure to keep them coming
I'd like to see comparisons between light bullets vs heavy in 6.5 creed and 308. Preferably within the same manufacturer of ammo and highest claimed velocities
I will make sure to pass it onto the team
Very interesting to see the results, thank you for your time and effort posting this information.
Dude, really cool video!! Thanks for all your work on this!
It would be cool to see all the same calibers with breaks for a comparison. Thanks for the video.
Good idea, we will look into it
If you can do handgun rounds that would be cool. So .380 ACP, 9mm, .357 mag, .45 ACP, .44 mag, .50AE and then maybe some others like 5.7, .38 sp, .44 sp, .50 GI, 500 S&W, and maybe some more big bore hand cannon rounds I don't remember off the top of my head.
Probably not in the near future, as we are a bolt action chassis company
Any chance we can get the same test but with a 2 or 3 chamber brake? Would love to see if the extra gasses from the higher calibers impart enough force on the brake to even out the recoil between the rounds. Great video as always btw!
Very good video, more please
Interesting and to the point
The classic rounds would be another great video. Also a video series with the lightest to the heaviest round available for one caliber. Then you could have a small series of videos.
Good idea and we are looking into it
Great video guys!!!! Can you please test a remington 300 ultra mag!?
It's something we can look into
Great vid, great work!
It would be interesting to look at perceived recoil. Typically a 338 Lapua is a much heavier gun than a 6.5 Cred so is the perceived recoil closer. I know there is variability in weights of different caliber guns but maybe use an average. Interesting stuff. Thanks for making the video.
Good test. Thanks for the video!
really good idea!
Thank you
Curious... The following has to do with trying to capture the timing of the shockwave that's produced when the powder is ignited inside the cartridge. People have already used a pressure sensor which is glued to the outside of the chamber area to measure pressure, but what if another similar sensor was glued to the muzzle and the test equipment was able to determine the delay between when the pressure started at the chamber and when the pressure was detected at the muzzle end? That delay, if measurable, could help one to determine the speed of the shockwave. Thoughts?
Loved the test.
This shows why the 6.5 CM and the 6,5x55 are such good cartrigdes in real world performance. The combination of low recoil and sufficient penetration through big game animals is where its at.
Recoil matters. The best shooters in the world wants low recoil. There is a reason why.
Great video.
Cool data!
The more mass the more inertia
. So Is it the same gun used/ is the mass of the rig equalized between calibers? 3:11 o
We made sure that all the rifle builds which was 16 lbs
Great Test 👍
I'm curious about initial recoil speed, like say, the first 2 inches.
I don't mind recoil so much if it's a strong push versus a quick karate chop. I assume rifle weight matters most, but what are the other factors?
If you have a muzzle break or not, as this can also cut down on felt recoil. It is also the cartridge too, some have more felt recoil then others
top comparison
Very interesting. try it with suppressors
Good idea, we will look into it
Very neat demonstration, BUT, should we be shooting towards high power lines?
my thoughts exactly. Transmission lines probably were damaged lol
The 6.5 PRC vs 308 surprised me also. Stock design and fitment must have a lot to do with "felt" tecoil. I have a 308 that is heavier than my 6.5 prc and I really thought the 308 recoiled just a little more. Makes sense though with the amount of powder consumption
I will subscribe...but you gotta do more videos like this and add a muzzle break, and a suppressor sometime....
Good idea and we will look into making more.
What a vid! Thanks
I would be interested in seeing 338 Lapua vs 338 Norma vs 338 Win Mag. Also 50 BMG from a bolt action vs semiauto. It would be interesting to see what the recoil mechanism absorbs. I love my 338 Lapua and wish I never parted with my 300 Win Mag. I used to think 308 had pretty good recoil. After almost a decade behind several magnum rifles I shot a 308 recently and somehow it doesn't seem to kick like i remember.
Good idea
I wonder how different the results would have been if the larger caliber barrels bore axis was more level like in the earlier tests,im sure its probably negligible,but wonder what the angle of recoil delivery changes in how the measurement instrument performs
Would like to see the 303 BR, 8x57, 30-06, 375H&H, 404 JEFFREY. Thanks
Great video, how about more traditional calibers, 7mm , 30-06 etc. I have my grandfather’s 505 Gibbs it kicks like a mule it’s not a popular caliber over here but was used in Africa back in the day
Yep, it is something we can look into doing
Maybe I missed it in the explanation, but how did you choose what bullet weight for each caliber/round and how much would bullet weight effect the recoil?
We selected readily available off the shelf ammo. And we actually made a video on how bullet weight affects recoil and speed! Check it out here - ua-cam.com/video/xJX_8MYAZ7A/v-deo.html
So many factors especially weight of factory rifles with scope and mounts, comparing recoil of a hunting rig very very important, massive investment in quality rig and all those rifles with similar weights for accurate comparison, but 16lb rifles, few hunters carry that seriously.
I'd be interested to see a few more 7mm offerings on the sled; 7-08 or 7saum for example.
How about the 270 pretty common classic Calibre
Similar to 6.5prc
how about a demo showing the comparison of these calibres with and without a MDT muzzle break?
We did not, but we can look at doing a follow up video.
Fantastic! Thank you for your very informative video! I would also love to see the 7mm PRC included in this review. On the other hand, if a muzzle brake or sound moderator (suppressor) is installed, how much difference would it make?
It will reduce the felt recoil. For how much it depends on the muzzle brake or suppressor, but they do help
good job, wanna see recoils: 5.45 AK; 7.62 AKM; 6.5 grandel; 17 HMR; 22 WMR
Good idea, we will look into it
Hey ! Does someone know what eardbuds did he use ? 🧐
I would like to see the 7Rem Mag and 7 PRC added to this list. I would like to see where they fit in this list exactly.
We can look into that
Fun video, cool project great for visuals.
I can think of multiple different videos using this sled.
I’d like to see mainstream hunting cartridges in standard, then lightweight hunting builds.
I also expected a 7 in this test.
1:45 you didn't mention bulket weight of the 6.5cr
The rig would have to be quite a bit longer if they did it without muzzle braked lightweight rifles
Excellent
it would be really cool to see .300blk super subs vs 308 and 8.6 blk super and subs vs .338
I really need information about how many grams of recoil a 12 caliber rifle gives.
The scope I will use says it is recoil resistant up to 1000 grams, but 12 cal. How many grams of recoil does a 2.75 inch slug bullet with a slug barrel and 28 grams have? (61 cm and 3.5 kilogram rifle weight)
How about testing the PRC family vs. 300 Norma Mag.
*6.8 Western*
Please and thank you.
Stay classy my friends.
No 7mm's? I would like to see the 7mm SAUM. While this is interesting, do you have the ft.lb measurements for each caliber and just as important recoil velocities?
7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag would be interesting.
@@bmstylee I mentioned the 7mm SAUM as it has velocity and energy numbers very close to the PRC and Rem Mag, but in a smaller, more efficient, less powder hungry package. To get the most out of the 7 SAUM it really needs a standard length action to be able to shoot todays long, high BC bullets without intruding on the powder capacity and a faster twist barrel. So even though the SAUM is a true short action case length and the PRC is a quasi short action, all three calibers would best in long action rifles. The SAUM has a powder capacity of 72.6 gr H2O, the PRC and Rem Mag are both 82 gr H2O, the SAUM SAAMI spec is 65,000 psi where as the rem mag is 61,000 psi. A small increase in powder in a smaller volume can make a larger change in velocity vs the same powder increase in a larger case. I would not be concerned pushing the SAUM a bit as it was built from the 404 Jeffery case just like the 300 SAUM and the whole Remington Ultra Mag (RUM) family. All three are excellent cartridges for taking any game animal in North America and even many African game species.
Loved the video but how does the sled movement translate into the amount of energy needed to move the sled? Like in pounds or foot pounds of recoil.
It is only showing percentage of difference. We have not done the calculation to foot pounds
A test of say different bullet weights would be cool. Like how much of an increase is there in say using an optimized 308 with a 168-175 grain bullet vs say a 200-210 grain
Good idea, we did do this on 6.5 Creedmoor, here is the video ua-cam.com/video/xJX_8MYAZ7A/v-deo.htmlsi=XGQAPzzAvjrRF4tw
What about difference in loads, something like a 357 Magnum, 300 Blk, 44 Magnum and 30-30 that can have light high speed loads and subsonic heavy loads.
There is a huge variation in felt recoil.
The 300 Blackout can have 90 grain to 230 grain and speed from 700 fps to 2700 fps or so.
Same test --> 5.56, 300 blk, 7.62 x 39, 6 MM ARC, 6 MM Max, 6.5 Grendel PLEASE!
Did you calculate the lbs/in of recoil, or any similar measurement?
We did not but it would be a good idea for next time.
I think doing the same test with a 270 Win, 30-06, 7MM REM Mag, 300 Win Mag and 300 Weatherby with and without muzzle brakes would be interesting.
Calibers should all be cronographed.
You forgot one of the best rounds the 224 Valkyrie 90 grain got a nice kick to it
Test the 375 Cheytac
what about 45acp, 9mm, 556, 762, 50 cal?
pls test 12 gauge vs 20 gague and .308
Would love to see 270 and 30-06. Also with muzzle brakes.
Why did you leave out the 7prc? I'm trying to decide between the 6.5prc a 7prc.
What are you hunting?. 6.5cm +7prc or 7mag is a great 2 gun setup. Neither 7prc /6.5prc is fun to shoot for extended time hence the 6.5cm rec, and you don't get better at shooting without practice. 6.5 prc doesn't really offer anything more than 6.5 cm except a third more recoil for only 100/150 more yards and 6.5cm is still a 6-700 yard gun which is plenty. Not a good tradeoff to go for a 6.5prc its kinda in no man's land. You can still shoot the same 147s in 6.5 cm.
Wy not 22 Magnum?
We wanted to test common caliber sizes people are using. But it is something we can add to future tests
@@MDTTAC Thank you!
Test the 350 legend and the 6 Max please!!
We will add it to the list
Would love to see 16" 5.56 with brake vs 10" 5.56 with brake.
I wonder how do they account for firing the gun or the trigger is kinda sideways?
Sorry, would you be able to explain further?
@@MDTTACi was wondering how do you fire that gun? Or do you have video for that?
test the 8.6 would be great
We can look into it
I would love to see all the 30 calibers compares to one another
We can look into that
What about handgun cartridges? That would be interesting
Would be but we are mostly focusing on short and long action calibers. Is there one of those that you would like to see?
You need to bring it to Kentucky Ballistics and have some of his guns in this rig. I think you might need to extend it a few yards though...
950 JDJ has entered the game.
Similar class cartridges like the 308 (243, 7mm-08 and so on)family, the 30-06 (270, 25-06, 338-06family. Or y popular cables in the same bullet diameter. .308, .30-06, 300WM, 300PRC
Yes!
Do 700 nitro express
Where is the 300 Win Mag???
300 WSM vs 300 win mag vs 300 PRC
How bout same round but different muzzle brakes? 👍🏻
Now about lighter weight rifles in .270 3006 7mm Rem mag, 300 win mag
We can look into it
Can you explain the difference between caliber and cartridge, and why they are not the same thing.
Generally the Caliber is in reference to type of bullet (ex. 6.5mm), Cartridge would be a 6.5 Creedmoor. However, they are terms that have been used interchangeably