PSA: Don’t Send this Photo on Discord!
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- There is an ILLEGAL photo that is floating around that if you send it on Discord, YOU WILL GET BANNED. Doesn't matter if it's in DMs or in a Discord server.
This is not some bogus hoax or clickbait garbage, you will get banned. To try to figure out what's going on, I sent the image in an empty Discord server. I tested this on an alt account (and I got banned in 72 seconds, I am the discord ban speedrun champ). But why did I get banned, is the image anything bad? From the surface it's just a normal photo...
Also big big big warning, do not try to send or download this image if you do stumble upon the original. As you will see, this is not an image you want to have lying around.
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Discord Server
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00:00 - Warning: The original photo is illegal
00:12 - Is this real?
02:10 - Why does this photo ban you?
06:39 - Why you NEED to avoid this! - Розваги
Warning: The original photo is part of an illegal video. Do not share it and do not ask for information to find it.
The photoshopped photo of ryback eating popcorn will not get you banned. I just replaced the original bad photo with a more lighthearted photo to ensure UA-cam doesn't get mad at me and people don't get in trouble for screenshotting the video.
Finally, half of yall need to think before you do something. There's a reason why the photo gets you banned. There's a reason why tons of crap is censored out.
illegal?!
DAMN
In my opinion you should've said this at the beginning of the video, many people are prone to just instantly send this out of curiosity and reading the comments that seems to be the case
Dang
Oki uwu san~
The worst part is that whoever started sending the screenshot in the first place, is the one who actually knew what it's from, and is a genuine predator
Or worse, a predator who obtained the illegal content for that exact purpose.
Could probably sue them for the loss of your discord account
@@leg4cy2found the predator
@@KryptoKn8how the FUCK does he know that?!??
Or is someone trying to abuse the system to get innocent people in trouble as some sick joke.
@@glitchyfruit2503 can’t sue for that
I was expecting the image to secretly have some kinda malware in the image file. I did NOT expect it to take such a dark turn
same here! Holy shit, this video totally caught me off guard!
yeah ngl i expected it to be a code exploit in the image data or something in that vein
I was not expecting it to be that the image contains some Pizza Eating eXtreme Only Slices. Also, this is something Musk may get in trouble about as the original post may still be up - thus, the Cheese Pizza is still there.
When ntts brought out the DNA and hash explanation, I expected this to be a hash collision - an extremely rare event where two different images produce the exact same hash. So a cheese pizza and a cat image for some reason both get turns into hash "1234", and since the pizza database contains only the "1234", if you upload the cat image you mistakenly get banned. Well I was wrong. God damn.
@@SunnyKimDevglad I wasn't the only one thinking this
I saw the GIF this photo originated from. Someone sent it on a discord server about two years ago, and although I banned him I still remember how it went. It doesn't "turn into CP", as in someone abusing the kid. It just shows the kid's brothers raiding his room while naked, jumping around. It's still CP, of course, and still unacceptable, but at least it's a stupid prank they played on him rather than something worse. So everyone can relax about the child's integrity.
Jesus. Thank god. Horrible, disgusting, but i was absolutely terrified it was just something absolutely awful. I hope thats all it really is
Same
@@moewboiiiiiiiiiii1405 yeah his little brother walked into his room
The little brother was tricked into it by a predator who stalked the older brother. The predator called it a dare. In the early days of TikTok predators tried branding themselves as "kind and friendly personalities" they used that image to do collabs with children. Other predators would lurk in children's channel to donate with messages to convince kids, or even parents, to do really messed up stuff with each other.
@@Raumplestomp source?
Wow, it turned in a direction I was not expecting, I hope nothing bad comes to you for teaching us this, its good to know what to avoid and I thank you for taking the risk to help others understand how serious this situation is and could be even if ignorant of the facts.
It is for Child ****** Assault, COPA be going crazy, with discord.
it's just a png. don't be such a baby.
Did you even watch the video 💀
@@NIEDx86 Yes I did and in the video he talks about how he may have put him self on a list for looking into this to give us the info. Did you watch it?
@@hawlkman sorry i mean to reply to @Lou-yf1jo
Discord users keep on finding loopholes to stuff, but the platform focuses on other things like, profile effects for £19.99
Imagine if buying nitro required having nitro
@@David280GG You work experience to apply here sir. (20 years of work experience for a coding language that released within a year).
daaanggg that’s about $24.27!!
@@theepicduck6922what
Bro thinks that a company always knows about bugs like these (I'm going to call it a bug, as this shouldn't happen)
My man valiantly sacrificing his own safety to get information like this to the public. You're the hero we don't deserve but we absolutely need.
when did he sacrifice his safety?
yall. i never said there was 0 chance that cops could show up at his house, even then he could explain what was happening, and also, just like the other guy said, nobody actually 100% knows this is gonna happen, you cannot just say something acting like you know its true when you dont know 100%
@@TordBot69 by posting the original image, getting banned, and risking having the authorities contact him because of the content in the image
@@TordBot69I know he probably also entered a bunch of random generated info but this is the internet, there is always a chance he'll get "caught" cuz of it
@@binglething he got banned on an alt and the image is safe, so he didn't sacrifice
@@binglething he got banned on an alt
Kudos to the Discord Team for actually implementing this in Discord. The amount of predators i've seen, banned & reported in my servers has me thinking how fucked our world is...
I hope they fix the reporting system though and make it a bit more restrictive (Basically make the check more rigorous and recheck when a report gets sent), the amount of CSAM I saw on discord is crazy, none of the creeps that sent it got banned in the end.
Don't worry the discord team are predators!
my friend got banned because she was tricked
Came a little too late in my case, I got groomed through discord when I was 15.. it's kind of a shame this auto-detection stuff wasn't around back then, but I'm glad it is now.
It's a common video that's posted unfortunately. I saw someone post it in a server, this guy that's not much older than the kid in the image starts humping him naked on a discord call, probably because he thought it was funny
I kinda figured it was something along the lines of "cheese pizza" detection, or other content detection. But with the way you initially described the image, I thought it was used internally by the team testing the tool for use as an innocent file that could be seen without getting in trouble, but was indexed as inappropriate so they could make sure the service was activating properly.
Nope, instead they were throwing live grenades
Nah, Communist Propaganda
The biggest mystery here is probably regarding to the 1st person who found this picture, how did they even acquire it? And how did they even know it's dangerous to spread it all over the internet.
They were probably just doing it for goofs or somehow knew it would ban them
@@North_Red_Dark_AcademiaInteresting, your comment was shadow-banned.
@@thatguyaxolno.
@ibai01 no
bro i am actually concerned for how many comments u left. get off this app please
I guessed it was a CP detection related thing from the get go.
I get why they are so aggressive about bans and reports, but I'm surprised they would check for individual video frames that themselves don't contain CP. With hindsight it's clear that this can be abused to trick people into getting themselves banned and maybe even clogging the system with false reports against innocent users. Hopefully Discord and other services continue to adjust these systems to ensure innocent users don't get tricked into bans while not compromising the detection capabilities against real criminals.
My guess was that there was a machine learning oopsie and it detected something like gore. somehow.
Since NTTS did get something from the reverse image search, my guess is that the image was the automatic thumbnail for the cheese pizza on some site.
Probably not; think about it this way. That image is FROM a video of CP.
To get your hands on it, you need to have interacted with CP.
Discord obviously can't know, nor should they assume, that you got the image from some prank or silly trend.
As far as they know, you took a screenshot of c***d porn.@@SunnyKimDev
Yup I immediately guessed CP as well
@@itsTyrion Huh? Just watch the video. Why are you guessing?
Thank you for spreading awareness about this situation!
If you have a picture of a guy eating popcorn that has zero nudity of anyone, its going to be extremally difficult for anyone to charge you with a crime based on what is at its face value a G rated image.
it comes from the first frame of a gif of a prank from 3 years ago, i still have it favorited and it's supposed to be funny, but still, pranks can be misunderstood and you'll get banned from it
bro you are a true hero here, risking your own safety to notify us about this.
really hope you won't have troubles with the authorities.
that's easy VPN or Thorr and noone can easily (maybe even hardly) track you. This is first thing and secondly if you aren't in some fckedup country as USA you simply won't get into problem because of one potentially CP possitive image.... It's just insane in normal world
NTTS should be plenty fine mostly cause fairly sure in another recent video going over the Discord transparency report he pointed out that more often than not the authorities dont even do anything even tho potential pedophiles are being reported
@@marekvojta9648unless you have been using a VPN the entire time of using discord (or the entire Internet for that matter) there are ways to find you that a VPN can't fix. It does lessen the chance to a degree but won't remove it.😊
subpoena
Nah, he is fine
Thank you for this PSA announcement and for taking it so seriously and yet keeping it as lighthearted as you could, mad respect
taking it seriously? he didn't even bother using the correct term and just called it cheese pizza..
@@tomoyacon just so that UA-cam doesn't get mad. Read the pinned comment.
@@tomoyaconthis guy skipped half the video and didn’t see his explanation for changing the term. One time, when explaining that he was going to call it cheese pizza, he did say the correct word, CP. There were several graphics on screen, in case you’re deaf and can’t read at the same time. Or just stupid and needing a bit of a picture-book explanation
you just said public service announcment announcment
@@gameslikes0grolls gah stoppppp this is like like like the form of bad grammar that people just accept
I vaguely remember hearing something about this. I believe I know the context but it makes me sick to my stomach thinking about it. Thank you for the warning to the community! ❤
Its not illegal nor are you in any risk to be jailed for seeing or sharing the image because the image doesn't contain CP, the law doesn't work like an AI does. If the material is from an illegal film but said Material is from a section of the film not containing CP then it is not illegal to share. Imagine going to prison because you sent someone an image of a couch just because its from a film where someone is r*ped on said coach. While weird and potentially a sign this person may have actual CP in their position, the screenshot itself is not illegal to own or send anyone because it doesn't show or contain illicit material
As he explains in the pinned comment, the ACTUAL photo contains... stuff. Like, the REAL stuff.
@@PhantomChaos76No, it’s a part of a Cheese Pizza film. It doesn’t contain it.
Yo, don’t use the term “CP” cause it implies the child did “CP” voluntarily. Use CSAM instead
@@YAHAHAHAHAHHA It absolutely does not. Pornography is defined as explicit media designed for arousal. It does not in any way suggest or connotate consent. It only defines a level of extremity and a specific purpose for which it is being produced.
How tf your comment got ratioed @@justaregulardude895
That csam guy thinks CP can be voluntary ☠️☠️ (literally by law it's defined as non consensual 💀💀)
It is horrible that those kind of images exists. This should've been avoided at all costs
The image itself is perfectly innocent, but since the image is based of a video of said bad content, any still images of the video, bad or not, is all wrapped and considered bad all together. Aka, picture of a video before anything even happened, still counts as an image from the bad video.
@@Nixxxxxx Probably for the best imo
@@XioJNah yes, everyone enjoys getting banned for no reason
@@Archimedes.5000 I think it's for the best because predators can use "innocent" parts of csam and use it as the thumbnail.
@@XioJNmay they use whatever the fuck they want as long as it's legal, both predators and everyone else lmao
Here’s the thing kids: if someone says to post this or say that, don’t. Simple as that.
At the very best it’s just your friends mocking how you say something but the internet is full of strangers who don’t have any consequences for convincing you to do something stupid so it tends to be much much worse.
i want to do it more when they say dont do it
@@sillycat595 then get banned dumbass
Facts just don’t listen to people and don’t click links
Click all the links. It's good for your health
do it. post every single thing they say you to post@@sillycat595
I love your storytelling videos! This one is informative.
Now I'm scared of sending **any** image. While I understand why images are scanned, I'm afraid of false-positives. Suddenly a bunch of pixels line up like it's cheese pizza (when it's not) or image hash is the same as cheese pizza image and boom, instant ban, FBI (or other law enforcement authority) open up, you know what comes next.
But I'm less worried about getting banned on Discord than about having no real alternative, because "network effect" and everyone's here, not anywhere else...
Indeed
The police won't come or message you unless you are holding a disgusting amount or are distributing it there are so many pedos out there that they don't really have the time for someone to come knock on a kids door for being dumb
you think ai is too dumb to recognize whats a cheese pizza or not
Hashes are unique, false positives are insanely rare
Some really evil person with nothing to lose could make a cp video and insert frames of a bunch of popular memes and then mass chaos would ensue.
at first i thought the image was hiding something like how some people bypass image moderation on platforms by attaching a greyscale transparent image, which transforms over a normal image
I immediately knew what happened because if the twitter reply
Well well well mountain dew can
Yeah my first thought was steganography or something
@@mugrootbeernoooomug beer, i thought you guys actually had alcohol on you hehehehehe
@@mugrootbeernoooo #TeamMug
As a victim of this photo, Discord takes no measures to reinstate the account if you post this or are baited to post this.
how does it look like tho?
@@certidinisA person in a call eating popcorn with headset on
Youre not a victim of a photo idiot
@@certidinis it's a discord screenshare with a kid who we can only see face eating popcorn
@@certidinis literally just some dark skinned kid with headphones eating popcorn in the kitchen on a discord call
I'm honestly kinda concerned.
Like if this popcorn image can be branded as CP, then, can someone make CP, and then edit it so it shows a spreadable meme for a single frame, and then spread it on a different website and tell people to spread it onto discord?
Oh, yeah.
I'm now concerned too.
Honestly, that was my first thought.
dawg stop giving them ideas 😭😭
Dude anytime i see one of your videos i post them in the announcements of a server i help run thank you for helping keep discord safe
Pro tip: just call it abuse material. Abridged version of the law enforcement term and sounds far more appropriate to throw around cheese pizza like it's 4chan
What do you mean pro tip?!
Well there's a fine line for demonetization and not sabotaging your video's atmosphere. He missed the mark completely with that and I found it cringe
@@stupidkidthatsays21 Doesn't make the use of that term right. Calling it cheese pizza just turns it into a joke.
I'm pretty sure I know what cp or cheese pizza is but I wanna make sure what it is
@@darkninja0200 it doesnt really, it was supposed to be taken lightheartedly
You would not be charged over a technicality like this. If the screenshot sent contains nothing illegal in view then there is nothing illegal. The context that later or earlier in a video there was something illegal is irrelevant because this isnt a video this is a still image.
Edit. Obligatory "OMG OVER 1K LIKES WOW HOLY CANNOLI!!"
I hope so because lots of innocenct people gonna send this because of dares or something 😬
Yeah, there's no way you could actually be convicted of a crime for this, because sending that particular photo itself is not actually illegal in any way. However, that doesn't mean that you wouldn't be _investigated_ for the crime, which in itself is probably not going to be that fun, and with many of these systems, you can still be branded a predator in many other ways even if you never actually did anything illegal, just because you were submitted to the database at all.
So no, you won't be going to jail if you post this image, but that still doesn't mean you want to do it anyway, for various other reasons.
As for why they would check for frames from portions of the video that don't actually contain CP, that is almost certainly because they didn't want to have to have human viewers watching through every CP video to identify which portions actually have CP and which don't, which is somewhat understandable. IMHO, the big issue here seems to be that they have combined the hashes for both still images and movie frames into the same single database, which will obviously inherently include many false positive image matches, which apparently nobody even considered. This is particularly problematic because they are almost certainly using AI-based hashing algorithms, which means other images that look _similar enough_ to any of those false-positive frames will probably also be falsely categorized as CP (which means theoretically the image you post doesn't even have to be from an actual CP video, it could just _look like_ a frame from some CP video somewhere (that you've never even seen)).
There is hopefully a database of spreadsheet which counts how many time this particular ID has been used. If it appears a certain number of times hopefully whoever investigates it realizes that something strange is going on and fixes it. If thousands of Discord users suddenly flag up on their data base with a single video ID then they will be able to assume that it was all from this screenshot once they figure it out. Hopefully
@@foogod4237 Now add generative AI able to create cheese pizza with non existent.. ingredients... into the mix, and you now have a colossal shitstorm of a trial case.
@@interwebuser Art depicting minors is still CP. Doesn't need to be real. That the law in many MANY places.
Imagine how confused the authorities will be when they see that photo they’re gonna be like bro this ain’t even inappropriate
You know what's even worse about this is that this means Discord Staff has a huge library of CP stashed somewhere on their servers.
Right? That's fucked to think about 💀
nah, it's microsoft. They're just using the photodna API.
A non reversible hash is produced which means they did not have to store the actual content
The servers are located on Epstein Island 🤣
@@SFSAtlasI think this is actually necessary. They can't legally store the source material.
Moral of the story is don't listen when people tell you to send an image or video to social media.
bruh, im sorry but you kids should have learned by now that even if your own friends send you a random suspicious link, make sure their stupid ass didn't get hacked/scammed first, that's literally how it happens. Even if someone you just talked to last fucking night sends a weird link. It happened with my friend's friend recently and banned her from my disc immediately for being so stupid to let something take her acc over to spam us. Don't be this irresponsible.
The real moral of the story here is that discord's moderation is a literal joke.
@BurningBridgeStudios you will absolutely never hear the words come out of MY mouth telling anyone to lessen any moderation on cp. Yall are sheep.
@@BurningBridgeStudios you understood absolutely nothing then
@@triggerhxppy
Nah this has to be a bait.
I hope this video can help explain to authorities why you got banned if you're ever contacted about it. I'm glad you're bringing awareness to this and I sincerely hope the child in the cp video gets away from whatever situations they're put in.
This might be just a cover up, the dude was watching CP got caught, made this video as a scapegoat!
@@TibiaOTarena how did u know it was C?
@@L2002 because the dude got caught watching it
@@TibiaOTarena Nah
100% guaranteed they will make a very convincing argument for how this video was made as a cover up.
If you ever wanna prank someone, Rick is always there for you.
Bro the video is super interesting, but my god that pic of KingcobraJFS next to the dog was a violation lmfao
I sure hope someone reported that twitter person since they probably have access to the source of that screencap.
This is probably the comment that makes me close youtube for the night I feel sick
You can find it in seconds lil bro, it was a very common meme which got sent everywhere
da feds have gmail account which if they ask google about da gmail owner user data but da feds are lazy
@@flooriiianwhat meme??? 😭 just that one picture? bc for it to be funny you'd have to know about the source material & cp isn't a joke. it's so traumatizing to be a victim of cp, even if you weren't attacked in the making of it
@@harlomints7727I don't fucking understand how some people find that funny, it's literally one of the worst thing.
On one hand it's good that there's at least some system. On the other hand that's terrifying. Imagine I get banned for just sending a picture or a cool artwork I found because the system fails. There needs to be some way of appealing it, additionally actual CP still has the loophole of just making a new account
Except you also get reported to the authorities and likely put on a watch list, so even if you made a new account, if you continued to distribute actual CSAM you'd likely be arrested before too long.
Even if you make a new account, you will still get banned if you post this type of content
The only way the system would fail is if there was a hash collision (which is extremely unlikely) or if someone fed your artwork to said database (which doesn't happen normally)
@@slicepie410 There is also the option of "crafting" an image, so that it looks normal, but the system detects it as no-no stuff.
Or you could take a few normal photos and put them in a few seconds of a new no-no video and get that innocent image banned.
Nobody on law enforcement watched 2 full hours of no-no stuff (hopefully), so it's unlikely someone would notice.
And anyways, you would want to verify images manually and report to the proper authorities anyways, so why no manual review of the ban itself?
You would be sentenced to court and arrested in at least 1 week at most.
It overall brings into question the source of the image you sent. I'm curious as to what the retroactive tools would do as to if it'd be the same or not because in general, it HAS to be a full frame of one of those videos before it's flagged as such. I highly doubt that a cool artwork you find online would ever lead to such a thing since it's not from such a video.
Although... It makes me at least somewhat worried about the possibility of frames of the actual videos purposely including these cases of innocent artwork and/or popular images in order to 'fight back' against the hashing algorithm... I wonder what sort of checks they do alongside with the hashing to help prevent this because I imagine it'd be abused otherwise
alright 3 or 4 vids in now I have to subscribe! Awesome service provided. Even better, you seem Canadian!
You deff need to keep us updated on this situation
IMO, Discord should have another team at the Safety division that inform users about this kind of stuff.
That way, everyone can get notified quickly about what's happening and that if they come across such thing (in another platform), they know what it is and can report it to the admins.
On discord? You are crazy. That place is full of cheese pizza. You will recieve hundrads of these messages every day lol
@@Redwan777 fr
+ discord doesnt give a damn about u or ur account they only care about
*MONEY*
@@sammptus Just wait for them to drop the PhotoDNA free Nitro boost lol
You do realize how much would that cost them?
@@fungo6631 compared to retraining an entire AI because of a single frame from cheese pizza? I don't think it would cost that much
One of my friends posted your video in Discord server announcements. At first I thought "why does posting Ryback get you banned on Discord?" After watching the video, I'm glad to know that you have people's best interests in mind and will not seek out the original image. Thank you for informing the public about this!
Also after watching the video, I decided to start binging your videos related to Discord lol. Might venture into other content of yours too. Good stuff man, why haven't I watched your videos before?
Same here. My friend is the owner of a discord server and shared this video in his announcement section of the server. Glad he did. I may share the video in the general section of another server I'm in
theres nothing wrong with the original image...its the only reason people get tricked into posting it
Ryback is too based for the discord algorithm
Feed me more🔥🔥🔥
@maxwelltechtips why he called ryback doe
There's a limit to how much I trust any large, powerful or influential organizations (whether corporate or government) to handle such things. There's also a limit to how much I trust tech to automatically moderating such things without public oversight. In both cases that tolerance is very low - there is something forebodingly dystopian about how much people trust this stuff. No amount of "good intentions" can alleviate my unease over this, not when it is know which particular road that can be paved in them....
Also, what the hell are the principles of "innocent until proven guilty" and "due process" worth if you throw them out the instant they become an inconvenience to indulging in your baser emotions? You don't stick to your principles because you enjoy them - you adhere to them because you know they are _right._ To do otherwise only leads to degradation of oneself and of society as a whole.
got a little philosophical there
@@jarrenhackney5414no, it's just called thinking...
Por fin, Discord hace un buen trabajo en cuanto a esos asuntos, después de tanto tiempo en que los usuarios de la plataforma trataban de reportar links que adjuntaban a videos explícitos de CP sin censura alojados en algunos servidores (que actualmente se usan para joder o tumbar otros servidores, según por lo que tengo entendido) y ninguno ha dado resultado después de dicha acción. Como hace rato he visto videos que otros usuarios hacían sus pruebas para ver si terminaban baneados, creo que ese es el resultado más eficiente, si es que el soporte de Discord no hace nada en cuanto a los reportes por material ilegal.
No entendí,porque es la foto caldo de pollo si es el meme del tipo ese,me explicas?
@@Lolo_Antonio-FryEmUpFan El de la miniatura es una recreación, para que te des una idea.
Imagine waking up one day and randomly decide to get random innocent people to post an out of context frame of this stuff with those people not knowing they're lives are now in serious jeopardy and actually on an FBI watchlist. Like did the guy who posted it on X actually know it's a frame from that stuff or was he just a victim of the image who didn't know?
he knew. i fell for it too. hope i live
Not how that works.
It doesn't report you
@@cheesypufferfish5519same fell for it and lost everything
The steven universe pfp is ironic considering the creator drew that type of stuff on Deviantart many years ago before the show came out
The one massive problem I have with this is what if the autorities don't understand the situation?
Say you don't know about this, and somehow get tricked into sending this image, Discord bans you, there is no record of what the image was, no email, no way to access the account, and then the authorities come knocking, don't listen or just don't care and you're done for. Life ruined. Because of a picture which, as far as you were aware, was just a screengrab of some kid eating popcorn cause you don't know the context.
Genuinely terrifying situation to think about.
The fact that is from a such content doesn't mean that it IS the content.
Discord will ban you (and I think it's working as it should), but you aren't breaking any rules or laws (from what I know, I certainly would not recommend viewing or distributing the image though)
Nothing like that will happen.
@@Smok1125it is possible, continue thinking a situation like that can’t happen and see what ends up happening lmao
it's the job of the authorities to understand the situation, if they come knocking and throw you in jail without a trial or evidence you're living in a dystopia and you should probably make your life's work to move to a new country that isn't so fucked up
@@420lsdkfslekfaslk I will and wont see anything
WE LOVE U NTTS! hope ur safe, thanks 4 the heads up ♡
Fun fact: Apple and google use a similar system, so if you have that photo in your cloud or your devices library, your account there might get banned as well…
Ryback being described as a teenager eating popcorn killed me.
What's a Ryback?
It took five minutes of scrolling to find someone who recognized Ryback!
Part of the problem is Twitte-- i mean "X" as well. This picture has been up on their platform for more than a week now, and they have done aboslutely nothing about it. If it's a known CSAM screengrab, they should've actioned on it already.
yea X dont moderate their own thing..elon fired all the moderators....and refuses to hire new ones its part of a "free speech absolutionist mindset"
I'm not sure if Twitter has any automated system like discord does, Elon Musk also fired most of the moderation team and since he took over there's way more Cheese Pizza accounts freely distributing stuff like that.
Even if you report them sometimes it takes up to a month until they get banned
@@ShadyPaperclips bruh? how tf is cheese pizza being sent across twitter
@@mykolas8575 idk, i guess Elon Musk just loves Cheese Pizza
@@mykolas8575elon musk j-
My first thought when you mentioned hashes, was that this photo HAPPENS to have the same hash as a certain "Cheese Pizza", which is entirely possible, although unlikely. The sha-256 algo is such that you are guaranteed the same hash, given the same input.... But, you aren't guaranteed a DIFFERENT hash just cuz you give different input.
We were never told about this. The scope and power given to this automated system seems a little dangerous.
It works perfectly fine. Same thing iPhone has on their gallery just that anyone can be tricked. The issue comes with the people/ users. but in all honesty, you shouldn’t trust a random user telling you to post something on discord whilst being on another app
Thankfully, this system does not actually have any power at all. There is no machine that can prosecute you for anything. All it does is report you, and then the actual humans with actual brains will look into it and find that there is nothing malicious about your case and drop it. At least this is how it works for now; I wouldn't be surprised if machines are given that power some day, but perhaps then they will actually be more just and rational than human beings.
Actually, yes you were told about this! Things like this are always explicitly included in the terms of service of any platform you sign up for. It may be under a catch-all "illicit or illegal material may result in a ban" clause, but it definitely applies. All platforms are legally required to inform you when their terms of use update, and they do. Discord is no exception.
Also, this is an incredibly narrow automated system, only banning media that is an EXACT match. It doesn't have the power to "run away" and do anything dangerous, and even in cases like this where it acts somewhat out of line, it's still useful for potentially identifying the original source.
@@Flourish38 Ah, so it's classic EULA Roofying. I see. Something being in a multi-page legal document that the layperson has to sign = being "told" now apparently.
@@qwota4344 A man was banned from his Google account for sending medical photos of his child to his doctor in private.
Thank you for this video. I was just talking to some people I know about this exact possibility (folks tricking others into uploading a seemingly innocent image that gets them banned) and this was a perfect example.
Discord doesn't want you to peep the horror 🔴
For anyone that doesn't know, there could be repurcussions for storing this image. I'd be *_VERY_* wary of google photos or anything that is going to use content ID, because it's going to end up circling back. Trolling with this stuff is unreal, how abhorrent. Who 'found' this in the first place? Big ups NTTS
The only consequence will be a ban. This would not hold up in court, since you are not in possession of the actual bad content.
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@@blisphul8084well in USA's fckedup system you have to prove innocence in court in the rest of inteligent countries they have to prove you're guilty. So in merika you may (big emphasis on MAY) get in trouble
@gomam0n702 but he wasn't sentenced though. He just needed to clarify what the purpose of the image was. Though it is a good idea to use encrypted services for this reason.
@@blisphul8084 Unless I missed some later development Google refused to unban his account, even after it was made fully clear what the purpose was.
Thank you for this important PSA. I’m glad to hear Discord has features like this.
Share the image, get banned, wait for cops to show up, sue discord for intentional disturbance of the authorities and defamation, get rich
I'm willing to bet there's very little to no actual threat to an overwhelming majority of people misusing this particular image in this way. The NCMEC is probably gotten flooded with reports of this exact hash being sent on discord so many times that beyond a cursory investigation I seriously doubt they're going to be knocking on any doors. That still begs the question on if you're willing to take that(admittedly very small) risk.
Even worse, the discord spam to NCMEC makes them unreliable after so many false positives and will get ignored in the future for real cases.
@@pseudocoffee4829 Bro during 2022, I saw a CP video that showed a kid being choked while being forced to do "the thing".
@@JacobJoesph do you have the link? (hi fbi agent im just kidding)
@@Its_Stunt nah the discord account that send me the video got termed instantly but the video is still online.
@@JacobJoesphwtf
I wasn’t expecting this video to make such a turn and I’m honestly shocked
Hashes aren't like tags of an image. Hash functions receive data and transform it into a fixed-size value that cannot be reversed. If you change a single byte or pixel from an image, the resulting number is completely different. Also, there can be colision cases where more than one image (in this case, it could be any data) result in the same hash. So it doesn't completely identify images. Apparently PhotoDNA has yet to confirm if there are collisions
These are visual hashes, not data hashes, so artifacts do not change the hash
basically it's like a compression algorithm runs first, then it gets hashed
that compression algorithm *intentionally* has a lot of collisions so it matches similar pictures to avoid being worked around
but the consequence of this is... there are a lot of collisions (and there's no way to be sure those collisions are all genuine)
@@MagicGonads ah interesting. Makes sense in the context of images. Thx for the correction
Interesting, I thought of the hash thing at the beginning, but I thought it would be a completely different story since the description of the picture sounded innocent enough. Since a hash is usually a shortened version and there can technically be two different files with the same hash, I thought this was the case all along (innocent picture that coincidentally has the same hash as an illegal one)
I'm pretty use it's basically impossible to have two files with the same hash if they aren't the exact same, isn't that the whole point of hashes?
@@Furetto126 well, with hashes being so short and files being so big, if two files couldn't have the same hash then everything would be compressed into hashes, wouldn't it? Since y'know, they're so short and take way less space than an actual file.
Hashes are amazing to distinguish files, because the chance of encountering two files with the same hash is extremely slim, but, it still exists
@@erlgr Not realistically, no.
These video hashes work differently by design tho, since they need to be able to still reliably detect illicit material even if it's cropped, rotated, mirrored, etc. etc. But the chance of 2 different images having the same sha2 or sha3 hash for example is 0. At least if you keep trying to generate images with a super computer from now until the end of proton decay. If you can somehow manage to keep a computer running longer than that, the chances do rise slightly
@@erlgrGenerating hashes is a one way street, which is why we don't store everything in hashes. While you can't derive all the data from a hash into a file, that doesn't mean they're not unique.
@@timmyp9408 yeah, pretty much my point. While it's incredibly difficult to have two files with the same hash, it is a possibility. In my original comment I meant that it could've been a coincidence, but it isn't, as shown in the video
The way discord is handling this situation is absolute garbage. It's going to be way too easy for innocent people to get caught in the crossfire, having no idea what they posted.
You did good trying to help warn people, but discord seriously needs to figure out system with less collateral damage.
common discord L
Yeah
I believe it is Microsoft that operate PhotoDNA, but organisations like NCMEC and IWF actually handle the images and choose what hashes trigger a match.
Discord themselves likely can't even legally look at the picture to verify the individual frame out of context is CSAM or not. If the system has flagged it, only an organisation with legal authority to do so can handle the image.
A fix may be put into place, but this will have to be done upstream.
Honestly this Photo DNA Hash stuff should be made illegal. The fact it can easily be used to ruin innocent people and be abused to such ends like this is already enough proof of that.
@@nope.0.yea not really anything discord can legally do (and even if they could, if I were working at discord I sure as hell would not want to have to look at any CSAM even for a split second).
If enough people share the image they'll be overwhelmed with false positives.
“Depraved and disgusting things on discord”
Discord AI: Eh I dont care……
“Some guy posting that exact pic”
Discord AI: YOU MONSTER, GET BANNED STRAIGHT TO NOTHINGNESS!!
beginning of the video: "im definitely trolling my friend with this"
ending of the video: "im definitely not trolling my friend with this"
AI should never be used to 'automatically ban' because it isn't perfect and can make mistakes.
of course it can but it's *AUTOMATED* and a lot of people are using discord, you cant use humans to moderate the site, that's the greatest thing about AI
this isnt AI, its a system that turns data (such as images) into numbers based on the image data input, if this photo was slightly edited it wouldnt trip the system as it would result in a completely different hash
Unfortunately there isn’t really an alternative solution that isn’t simply “anything goes”. Discord staff aren’t legally authorized to review images or videos for CSAM to exonerate banned people. Not that the vast majority would be willing to have to see any of that crap anyway if they could. I think the best practice is to just simply not send random stuff if you don’t know its source.
@@mrb1975 not true, AI compresses the image into a latent form first and then that form is hashed
There are so many codenames in thia video, so many things hidden, that took me almost whole video to realize what is the pizza... Well done.
Your description of a hash is wrong; not that it’s super important but still. A hash is a one way deterministic mathematical function that essentially converts numbers/data into other numbers. Ex: images -> numbers, text -> numbers, numbers -> numbers. A hash doesn’t describe anything, the thumbprint is a good analogy. It just creates a unique and deterministic (repeatable) output from inputs. So if you hash images, you get a numerical output, store that output, and in the future you can compare hashes of other images against that. If you get a match, then you know with a very high degree of certainty that you’ve already hashed that image before. In this case, if you get a match against your stored hashes, then it’s illegal material.
Thank you so much for this video! I just got notified with an announcement in a server I’m in, talking about an ‘illegal photo’ floating around and this video helped me figure out what was happening. Thanks again, man!
Same lol
i do hope that you'll be okay after your alt getting ban. i think that you did everyone a favor by bring awareness to the issue and i hope that this video can be used as evidence to help you.
when a meme goes so far as to use actual "cheese pizza" to troll people, it's not a meme anymore, it's just criminal activity pretending to be memes. we should go back to the images that crash your client or make your AV think there's a virus. those were at least harmless.
Yep, once I was certain it wasn't a pic from a suicide video, I knew that's what it had to be. It's kind of sinister how it handles the situation, imo.
Thank you for your diligent work for helping people be aware of these vile things.
Even when Discord makes a W descision (n this example, being proactive against CSAM), someone ELSE tries to turn it into an L for them (in this example, tricking gullible people into posting that image). The universe is allergic to the idea of Discord taking Ws.
It's a W since the photo is part of Cheese Pizza
and fair that they ban people who send it, no way around it. should be a way of appealing though.
how do i get my account back
@@cesrawyou don’t
@@-..--.imma sue discord ong
If the image contains no abuse material in the still itself, you can't be prosecuted. The full source video doesn't matter if you don't possess it, especially not if the metadata shows the image was copied from a non-illegal clearnet source. Lawyers are way smarter than AIs, and this isn't even hard for a public defender to tackle. In fact, a judge would likely throw the case out.
Let's take a different example. It's illegal to publicly display porn as it is public indecency. If I were to project the corny, non-explicit opening of a porno on public but shut it off before any sex/nudity, could I be prosecuted for it? No. I played the part of the porno that doesn't have porn. The displayed material itself, not the totality of the source, is what is factored. Same goes for this Discord image. A website AI is not the law.
Not only are you ABSOLUTELY innocent until proven guilty in the US, you should NEVER listen to anyone who says you aren't. Everyone has that same right no matter the crime.
Love how twitter, the ones "working to save kids," is letting the image float around, but Discord gets a bad rap.
Good you're spreading this info. It's a shame the bots dont check individual frames or images instead of going by the whole video. If I was younger, and me and my friends knew of an insta ban image that didn't explicitly contain cheese pizza, we would definitely be trying to get each other banned. Heck with just reading the title the first thing I wanted to do was try it myself out of curiosity until I watched your video and found out why it was getting people banned.
I get the logic. You could easily use a frame from the video as a thumbnail when advertising or otherwise sharing it.
The problem is in reporting this sort of thing automatically.
It really isn't a shame. That poor boy shouldn't have an image from a video of his abuse spread around
@@kukumatz4502 Of course it's a shame, how would you like to get banned for posting anything with a human face in it and then be told you deserve it because akshually its from something bad. That's fucking retarded.
Ok, genuine question. If this video has a screenshot from Cheese Pizza in its thumbnail, would sending a link to this video in Discord yield the same results, or no?
@@ItzzzBeamo I would imagine that if Discord embeds a thumbnail generated by the linked page, then yes, it would be the same outcome.
>photo of man eating popcorn
>look deeper
>pronography depicting minors
Ah, yes. Child pornography. Yuck.
@@WickerBasket9I’d delete the message if I were you, just simply mentioning it might lead to repercussions (especially since it wasn’t censored in any way)
Bc it's Ryback eatting pop corn from the WWE tho.
Wait, it is? Well, I feel like an idiot now.
2 weeks and still not deleted
Ryback seeing this:
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What a cute little app, this Discord! It analyzes every photo you upload to save society! And even secretly reports to the cops if their perfect zero-error AI algorithm finds anything interesting! This is very nice! I wonder if they also automatically analyze what you write to your friends in private? Of course, they will never share this information with third party companies in exchange for money!
welcome to the internet
@@kakyo3450have a look around
And the best part is you agreed to it!
....Yeah...
@@TheWaInut We are seriously considering moving to a matrix platform. Discord gets worse with every update and has serious security flaws
So glad that NTTS is willing to break ToS and possibly the law to bring us the content we need ❤
You meant guilty until proven innocent thanks to automatic scanning.
he did not break tos. He just got wrongfully flagged for otherwise harmless content. The source of the image does not change the fact that the image does not contain anything illegal.
@@benebene9525 r/whooosh
fr he never fails to spread our cheeks and fill us up with all his glorious content 💯
@@benebene9525 The image is by far not harmless lol. People have claimed that the image is a screenshot of a CP video, which is why it breaks TOS as the image algorithms will link to that video, or orher frames of it. Considering several people in the first Reddit post discussing this made the same claim, it is safe to assume they are right.
To anyone concerned for the kid in the original image: it's from a GIF that was shared a few years ago, his brother/cousin comes in naked and pushes his chair over before pelvic-thrusting the air and grinning at the camera. I understand why it's in the system but, unless there's an extended version where something worse happens, it was just a prank and both kids are safe and sound.
How do u know that?
@@badjuicefish It was on Reddit.
Thank you bro
someone posted it on discord 💀
@@ewknewalt3328 crazy
Went from annoying image getting you banned to the depths of hell in 5 seconds
The fact that discord put those kind of img's in the photo dna, i wonder how is that one staff member doing..
am i the only one afraid to be sending any pictures on discord fearing it will be mistaken by the system?
The chances of this happening with a picture you took are essentially 0 so I wouldn’t worry about it
No youre just retarded
@@Nightcaat Most images sent on discord are not images that you took smhh
@MelloCello7 tons of people send selfies tf you mean
@@UserName-vt8ly You misunderstand, I didnt say that people dont take selfies, I'm saying the majority of visual media shared across Discord is likely not selfies, compared to memes, art, information, shared content etc
as apposed to social media platform like SC, where the majority is indeed selfies
DISCORD USER FOUND POSTING IMAGE OF MAN EATING POPCORN SENT TO JAIL FOR 14 YEARS
you wont get sent to jail lol they would probably take a look at ur device and see u got no cp at all
@@radiatedcherryI hope you're right I had gotten trolled and sent it and got banned but I deleted evey thing off my phone
LMAOOO
@@cosmictokyodid anything happen to you?
@@Moe-gn6pb nah fam
Okay but hear me out, I'd like to request a high quality download link for your stand-in image because I couldn't stop laughing every time it appeared.
plot twist: discord doesn't want you taking photo's in the movie theater
Thank you so much for informing the public by figuring out what it is and why you get banned
your explanation of image hashing was very to the point, as someone who deals with discord degens every day and had to explain hashing, so thank you I'm going to clip this next time I need to explain it out.
really
thank you!
I didn't understand can you explain it to me
I got banned bcuz of an image that was tagged, i tried to appeal, and they just gave the generic reply from the bot without taking a look at my case, completely ignoring everything.
10/10 Best Community Support ever!!!
very helpful will indeed use it sooner or later, I promise!
The possibility of people getting criminal charges for sharing that photo is ridiculous. Yes, it's a still frame from a video containing CSAM, but that still frame contains no CSAM on its own. You are *not* distributing CSAM if you can't look at the image and identify where exactly it contains child abuse, which is exactly what happened with these Discord users.
This is the legal equivalent of SCP-096 coming to kill a guy because one pixel of a photo he took of a countryside had its face in it.
Actual authorities would have to look at individual cases, the moment they receive thousands of reports with the same fucking pic from people that have never been flagged down for something like this it's gonna raise suspicion so they likely wont get prosecuted and so many false positives is also gonna make it hard for actual p3dos to be arrested, just don't distribute things that you don't know what they are.
What scares me is the amount of people in this very comment section that have the nerve to pretend that sending the image itself is equivalent in every conceivable way to sending someone CSAM. All this does is downplay what that crap actually is and confuse people. It's utterly deranged.
Plus it's a slippery slope, too.
By their asinine logic someone could edit a video where illegal content plays right after a video of some random videogame gameplay clips or something, and it would therefore make the gameplay illegal to share by extension and make you a pdf for having only the gameplay part on your computer?? It's completely insane to me how people fail to see how this isn't how it works.
Thank you for actually saying this.
I have a feeling that most of those paranoid commenters are kids in their early teens who believe everything some clickbait UA-camr says.
whats csam
@@dinosharttt cheese pizza
thank you so much man. i’ve shared this with my small discord server of friends to ensure their safety. this video i’m sure is keeping a lot of people safe
"Will get you instantly disabled" sounds pretty violent
I couldn't have ever imagined Ryback eating popcorn would be considered as Cheese Pizza content although it might be because he's also considered as a big baby 🤣
That’s a replica
Alright this stuff is just dark, NTTS put his safety on the line for us. Truly a mad lad, yet a hero. We all love you NTTS. :)
I'm kinda surprised you didn't use Discords CSAM, as it's in the video and it's pretty UA-cam Safe. Also thanks for putting this out there, as clearly the X poster wants to either: Screw with people, or to pollute Discords reporting of [That photo | just in general]
Thank you for the PSA bro
This is honestly very good information to know, I'm glad discord can keep us safe from seeing the image
I only just got informed of this, but I have been sharing this video around everywhere to explain the situation to everyone. I absolutely love that you didn't waste any time in this video, being clear and to the point with everything.
Is it all good to share the PSA?
hahahaha
@@lakshmivallabh6936 yeah, the psa video doesn't trigger the autoban
@@BETRvids ah cool! Thanks for the info!
That was a wonderful way to teach picture signatures. Ty very much
My man making a whole documentary just to have an excuse when the FPI comes for him
And now I’m trying like hell to find an innocuous image of a kid eating popcorn just because I’m not allowed to see it.