Thank you so much for watching! By far one of the most incredible seasons of television we've ever experienced. What are your thoughts on season 2? If all goes well, season 3 reactions should start either this weekend or sometime next week.
@ChannelNamePending699 It's hard to top season two. Season three overall isn't quite as good, but... The second half of season three is excellent with some of the best episodes. And maybe the greatest TV finale ever. 😗
@@masteronionnorth2341 They probably already done with it. But seriously hate commenters that can't just let reactors watch a series without spouting their opinions on show BEFORE the series is over. Seriously WTF is wrong with people like you?
Thank you for letting him witness the "the chicken or the egg personified" reveal (yes, that's what I call it, even though it's lame) without a hint. Fabio's shock at reveals is always entertainment in and of itself.
That's a very good name for this twist. It could technically apply to several other paradoxes in this show, but for this one it feels especially right.
I really like how invested you are. Every time I watch Dark I feel the same and I love that there are people that have the same reaction. Thank you for that
The reveal of Alt Martha always works, as none predicts her coming up to Jonas lmao. This fucking show man. Great reaction guys, and as always you're cooking with all the theories.
Now imagine you have to wait more than a year until the next season starts. That's how it was for those who watched the series when it was first released.
"My body is a cage... we take what we're given, just because you've forgotten, doesn't mean your forgiven" - Peter Gabriel song snaps off on this episode!
I couldn’t believe you figured out the Charlotte Elisabeth relationship. What amazing work. Good luck with the rest of this tho. Season three is going to hurt your brain. Enjoy!
The difference between Fabio's face at 48:50 and 49:00 after Manny explained his Elizabeth-Charlotte theory is killing me 😂 utterly gobsmacked I'm so excited for you to get into season 3 - mainly coz I've forgotten half of what happens so I'll be glad for the reminder 😅 I mean, I remember certain Big Things but I definitely need a refresh
The theorizing and sleuthing is ansolutely how most of us experienced the show as it came out. The creators definitely catered to it but also made it accessible to those that dont.
Manny, it's great that you figured it out.. but also DAMN YOU for figuring it out!! I wanted to see that bomb drop and see your reaction. Still good though. Charlotte/Elisabeth is best twist of this entire show.. I've watched this a million times and still dont understand how that can be possible. Its insane in the most awesome way possible. Buckle up for Season 3!! More twists to come!
I was about to go to sleep, but with this I can end the day on a better note, so I might just watch it now. Midnight is the best time to sleep anyway 😅
Hey Guys! It was a pleasure watching your reactions. I've watched the whole series 3 times now and I'm still as fascinated by the events and the whole setup. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride and be ready for many more reveals that will blow your mind :)
Just for the genetics of Charlotte and Elisabeth being both mother and daughter to each other: Charlotte and Elisabeth being mother and daughter to one another is the consequence of time travel. It's a causal loop or bootstrap paradox. Elisabeth and Noah procreated Charlotte. She was brought to the past and together with Peter procreated Elisabeth. Charlotte's and Elisabeth's maternal chromosomes (M) have no origin. That's the bootstrap paradox. Charlotte (M + N) + Peter (Z + P) > Elisabeth (M + P) Elisabeth (M + P) + Noah (Y + N) > Charlotte (M + N) The exact correspondent replacement of the sets of paternal chromosomes of Noah (N) and Peter (P) is highly unlikely. Also the lack of crossover or mutations. But it's not impossible. That's sufficient for making the causal loop (bootstrap paradox) possible. The chromosomes are copied (replicated, duplicated) in the loop. The weird genetics of Charlotte and Elisabeth isn't possible in our real world but is the consequence of time travel and implies the creation of maternal chromosomes (M) in the loop, without origin. This constitutes a causal loop or bootstrap paradox. It's an information paradox, because the chromosomes in the loop don't remain "the same", but get copied (replicated) to identical duplicates. The writers of Dark prescribed the possibility of time travel which implies causal determinism, a fixed timeline (Block Universe). Thus the grandfather paradox is avoided. But they allowed bootstrap paradoxes. The genetics of Charlotte and Elisabeth follows out of it. Because that's against our experience we can't really "grasp" it.
About Noah killing Yasin: it is a popular fan theory that Noah killed him because he was Elisabeth's boyfriend. But I don't think that was the reason. Everything Noah did with the children (and probably everything else) was because it was written in the book and it was in the book because it always happened that way. Noah doesn't really have any personal agency in there.
@@ChannelNamePending699 I mean thats true what he said (it's not a spoiler anymore) Noah killed "random" boys to test the machine thats true but at the same time he picked all 3 carefully. Erik was killed to start the whole process. Because of him, bartosz would go near the cave for drugs therefore Mikkel disappears. Mads was killed to make Ulrich policeman and then start his journey. Yasin was killed because what he said, he was a danger to Noah
It was in the book, because it had to happen to get Charlotte and Noah together/in love. Yassin was Charlotte's love interrest so he had to go. Nothing was random, everything had a meaning or a purpose
Where to even begin with this episode? I can't think of a single episode of anything in television in which so much happens to such a large cast. Aleksander's Walther is the mother of all Chekov's guns. Because it's Dark though, it isn't "if you see it will be used later". It's "it will be used later, and earlier, and later again, which was also earlier." So many people have messed with that gun and it's racking up bodies. Poor Martha died in the apocalypse but not even because of the apocalypse, just a simultaneous but unrelated homicide.
Oh my lord it's a literal Chekhov's gun. What kills me about Martha's death is that she barely even know what's going on. She learned about time travel like, 48 hours ago. She's known that Jonas is her nephew for even less than that. She's JUST reunited with Jonas, only for what looks like a burned grilled cheese in a suit to walk in, say HE'S Jonas, and then shoot her. Not to mention another, older Jonas was also pointing a gun at her earlier that day. I'd be so confused.
I came to the same realization later, off-screen. Still a weird scene to me because even if he's police, I don't think he has the kind of authority to go overriding power plant protocols like that. I guess search warrants are the ultimate authority in Winden 🤷♂️
And so the first/last cycle begins/ends... It´s a pleasure to watch your reactions and predictions. Now you are ready for the last reveals - prepare for a ride straight to the hell and back!
Another masterpiece episode and fantstic reaction! You did a great job predicting Elizabeth and Charlotte's complicated relationship! What a major mindf*ck! But then the season finale goes all out! So many other events and interconnections. Wow... And season 3 begins, i know you are already buckled in!
Another great reaction... The beauty and brilliance of Dark is that it keeps viewers guessing up until the very end. Up until the very final scene. You just don't know how this story will conclude and what will happen to the characters. Writing and execution at its finest... 😉 Regarding the alternate world reveal: There was plenty of subtle foreshadowing going back to season one. All those references to mirroring, and many scenes had objects mirroring each other including the episodes intros. 😉 Oh... alt Martha's appearance was probably the biggest WTF of the series for me. My jaw literally hit the floor. 😲
do you know why Adam was not afraid of getting killed by Noah? - well Jonas witnessed witnessed Adam killing Martha, and that had not happened yet with Noah threatnend him, so he knew he would survive the encounter to fulfill that future memory...and as he tells his younger self, it is not a vision he will ever forget. and congrats on remembering about that spot on the floor, in that last minutes of the commentary....you talked about it a few times during the season, was surprised you did not pick it up on the moment
Oh dang, didn't make that connection! That makes way more sense now. I still wonder if there was more to the fact that the gun jammed at that specific moment. If it was tampered with or if it was because time literally wouldn't allow Adam to die yet (please don't say anything if it's a spoiler).
To the Point about feeling bad for Noah. It is easier for Viewer to bond with a Character who has flaws. Like we have in real Life. And i think they made a really good Job with giving everyone good/bad Sites, so that you even feel bad for Noah or Helge. Same with "good" Characters, when they dont have flaws it is getting boring and we dont invest more interest in them.
Agreed! Again, what this season did for Noah's character was nothing short of brilliant. When watching season 1, I never could've imagined I would one day feel this much sympathy for Noah.
It is also a very "Hollywood" thing to do to paint characters as either black or white, good or evil; I know a lot of people then bring up the Grimm tales they know to highlight how European folklore has been similar; but most of them have a moral; like little red riding hood; she should have gone directly to her grandmother but she didn't and therefore brought repercussions on herself and her poor grandmother; and although the wolf seems to be an evil deceiver, he is also an animal that needs to feed; Hänsel and Gretel? those kids literally eat the roof over an old woman's head... which might have been part of her trap anyways... and do not even get me started on some of the inspirations of this show; Greek mythology is a wild place where "heroes" do the strangest things; and Theseus is one of the worst
Noah had become my favorite character at this point. His death was as tragic for me as the path he had to follow to get to that point 😢 And with the picture of Elisabeth right next to him 😫
this is why i always found your disdain for the martha and jonas pairing hilarious, like yeah of course it’s weird, but when you factor in the increasingly convoluted family tree and the whole “noah’s wife is his future granddaughter” thing, martha/jonas seems pretty vanilla lmaoooo
In fairness we were not prepared for the sheer amount of incest this show contained 😅 I think Jonas and Martha was a litmus test to slowly get the audience ready for how much more fucked up it would get
Finally cathcing up and hoping not to fall behind again; I have to guess that you have recorded all reactions by now because... ir would drive me nuts if I had to wait even a day or two during thos last 8 episodes; 4:45 goddammit those subtitles; Noah says he cannot tell his younger self what his "Bestimmung" is; destiny!!! not provision 5:20 and here Noah blatantly steals from Stranger-Jonas... or well... maybe it is the other way round... anyways; great to have that same line in the first and second season finale; we keep discussing whether or not changing the past was possible despite the ontological paradoxes we observe... but then again they keep coming to that conclusion that they would do it any other way either; that maybe the question isn't about the physics but the psychology behind it which is of course a beautiful advertisement for 1899
7:35 So in case you are seeing both comments; I cannot open my comment on Jonas' line about the big and small parts on any device; that line is intriguing as it is a direct contradiction to the tabula smaragdina that Noah and the guy he killed have tattooed; its "as above so below" line talks about superior and inferior in the latin translation of the arabic texts; this could be read as high and low but equally as more and lesser or even like here big and small;
9:00 this scene should also be somewhat reminiscent of Jonas saying goodbye to his mother, Hannah, at the end of season one; Jantje really pushed those repetitions in this one
I really needed to keep this question to my chest for the whole season; did you notice that in 2x01 when Jonas listened to the tape that it was the voice of middle aged Claudia telling us she survived the apocalypse of 2020? EDIT: 1:03:10 at least now you know; I really love these edits; and how invested you two are but then there is something I just noticed this year: of all the adults who were in the loop and met up in the bunker earlier this season, not two of them are together during the apocalypse: Hannah has already left for he 50s, Peter is inside the bunker, Katharina is beneath that/him in the passage, Charlotte is in the power plant, and Jonas is in the Kahnwald home using the Tannhaus device.
@@michaelklausyes, in the 2x2 reaction at around 0:40 Fabio noted that it was middle-aged Claudia's voice. I never mentioned it on screen, but it was for this reason I assumed middle-aged Claudia would be there for the apocalypse (though I evidently forgot about this before the finale lol)
Noah never heard Jonas say that (as far as I can remember), or vice versa, so I have to assume it's more of a thematic repetition of lines than actually stealing
Great reaction as usual! Congrats for catching the Elizabeth-Charlotte twist before it was revealed here. One thing that bothers me juuuust a little with this twist is that it shouldn't be possible DNA-wise. Like, if Elisabeth's DNA is half Charlotte and half Peter, Charlotte's DNA as Elisabeth's and Noah's daughter simply cannot have the full DNA of the half that Elisabeth got from her. Noah's and Peter's DNA has to be accounted for in this, and then this is just biologically impossible.
This was one of the main points of concern I had while working on this theory. I was trying to find a way to make it work biologically. There's an interesting discussion on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com about this exact topic, and I'll link it here since it's too long to summarize: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/170381/in-a-world-with-time-travel-would-it-be-possible-to-be-your-own-mothers-mother Ultimately I think it comes down to what the writers thought was more important - scientific accuracy, or the impact on the story. It's the latter for me personally.
It is technically possible if you look at how exactly meiosis works; to create the cells needed for reproduction one cell containing all the genetic information of an individual basically divides itself into two cells with different "halfs" of the genetic information; either one of those is then combined with with a reproductive cell of another individual also with half a set of genetic information to create a new complete set of genetic information of a new individual; now inside the new individual, a cell undegoes meiosis and it is statistically very very improbable that the two "half sets" of genetic information will be exactly split the way they had been before; you might have learned about the probabilities while discussing recombination; but this is DARK and therefore the improbable of course happens; Elisatbeth and Franziska share the exact same match of maternal genetic information that is passed down in an endless circle; but that also means that this information has no origin; it is in itself a Jinn of the second kind according to Novikov the paternal side of the genetic DNA then defines all the differences between Elisabeth and Charlotte; and Franziska? well there we see the recombination at work;
Just to help keep things clear, I suggest these time names for Jonas: Young Jonas, PTSD Jonas, Traveler Jonas, Hanged Jonas, Claudia's Jonas, Stranger Jonas, and Adam Jonas.
I think you forgot about Nick Jonas, Joe Jonas, and Kevin Jonas; I think many of us went with Jonas, Stranger-Jonas, Adam and then for the inbetween of June 20th 2019 until the apocalypse on June 27th 2020, we often talked about 1-year-older-Jonas; but then again for some reason apocalypse-Claudia somehow got stuck for old Claudia... which might get confusing after this episode
The dialog at 8:40 just reminded me, one request: please, PLEASE don't mute the song they play at the the beginning 3x01. It's my ABSOLUTE favorite song of all "TIME" 😁 and I just love to hear it in this show... They go together so well.
Everything is plausible but Charolette🔁Elizabeth, like could they have at least had an adoption because how is Peter still her father if she conceives her mother and her mother conceived her 😫😫😫😫😫😫 Just don’t like it, don’t like it one bit!
Of course that's impossible in our world without time travel. But with time travel and the possibility of causal loops (bootstrap paradox) it's possible despite it escapes imagination. Because half of the DNA that both have in common has no origin in the fathers! Inconceivable.
Don't get triggered; this question is not answered in the show. Do you think that young Jonas and middle aged Claudia ever had sex during their time together? I always imagined that they would have, because they are alone with each other for such a long time.
Thank you so much for watching! By far one of the most incredible seasons of television we've ever experienced. What are your thoughts on season 2?
If all goes well, season 3 reactions should start either this weekend or sometime next week.
@ChannelNamePending699 It's hard to top season two. Season three overall isn't quite as good, but... The second half of season three is excellent with some of the best episodes.
And maybe the greatest TV finale ever. 😗
@@masteronionnorth2341 They probably already done with it. But seriously hate commenters that can't just let reactors watch a series without spouting their opinions on show BEFORE the series is over. Seriously WTF is wrong with people like you?
Guys, just imagine that we had a TWO YEAR wait for season 2 and then a year after this episode lol. Pure pain. Best show ever man
Thank you for letting him witness the "the chicken or the egg personified" reveal (yes, that's what I call it, even though it's lame) without a hint. Fabio's shock at reveals is always entertainment in and of itself.
That's a very good name for this twist. It could technically apply to several other paradoxes in this show, but for this one it feels especially right.
42:02 average dark experience bahaha 😭😭
I really like how invested you are. Every time I watch Dark I feel the same and I love that there are people that have the same reaction. Thank you for that
The reveal of Alt Martha always works, as none predicts her coming up to Jonas lmao. This fucking show man.
Great reaction guys, and as always you're cooking with all the theories.
I can't believe how you kept it together when the Elisabeth revil was hinted at, I would have never shut up if I had predicted that
Now imagine you have to wait more than a year until the next season starts.
That's how it was for those who watched the series when it was first released.
I can't imagine waiting that long. We started 3x1 two minutes after we finished this one.
"My body is a cage... we take what we're given, just because you've forgotten, doesn't mean your forgiven" - Peter Gabriel song snaps off on this episode!
The song they chose for this one was SO good. It pains me that I have to mute them because of copyright.
I couldn’t believe you figured out the Charlotte Elisabeth relationship. What amazing work. Good luck with the rest of this tho. Season three is going to hurt your brain. Enjoy!
The difference between Fabio's face at 48:50 and 49:00 after Manny explained his Elizabeth-Charlotte theory is killing me 😂 utterly gobsmacked
I'm so excited for you to get into season 3 - mainly coz I've forgotten half of what happens so I'll be glad for the reminder 😅 I mean, I remember certain Big Things but I definitely need a refresh
This is one of the best season finales I have ever seen. So many reveals and shocks.
Lmao I was waiting for the realization about the spot on the floor 😂 Love it!
The theorizing and sleuthing is ansolutely how most of us experienced the show as it came out. The creators definitely catered to it but also made it accessible to those that dont.
Manny, it's great that you figured it out.. but also DAMN YOU for figuring it out!! I wanted to see that bomb drop and see your reaction. Still good though. Charlotte/Elisabeth is best twist of this entire show.. I've watched this a million times and still dont understand how that can be possible. Its insane in the most awesome way possible. Buckle up for Season 3!! More twists to come!
“What😮” at 21:32 😂😂😂
Can’t wait for your reaction to S3
I binge watched your reaction videos for Dark. You guys are awesome!
I was about to go to sleep, but with this I can end the day on a better note, so I might just watch it now. Midnight is the best time to sleep anyway 😅
I love how the entire Dark fan base agrees: Hannah is the WORST 😂
Many of the characters in Dark do despicable things but Hannah is shockingly consistent at being shitty.
You guys are archetypical Dark viewers. We all have walls covered with photos, string and pins.
Hey Guys!
It was a pleasure watching your reactions. I've watched the whole series 3 times now and I'm still as fascinated by the events and the whole setup. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride and be ready for many more reveals that will blow your mind :)
Just for the genetics of Charlotte and Elisabeth being both mother and daughter to each other:
Charlotte and Elisabeth being mother and daughter to one another is the consequence of time travel. It's a causal loop or bootstrap paradox. Elisabeth and Noah procreated Charlotte. She was brought to the past and together with Peter procreated Elisabeth. Charlotte's and Elisabeth's maternal chromosomes (M) have no origin. That's the bootstrap paradox.
Charlotte (M + N) + Peter (Z + P) > Elisabeth (M + P)
Elisabeth (M + P) + Noah (Y + N) > Charlotte (M + N)
The exact correspondent replacement of the sets of paternal chromosomes of Noah (N) and Peter (P) is highly unlikely. Also the lack of crossover or mutations. But it's not impossible. That's sufficient for making the causal loop (bootstrap paradox) possible. The chromosomes are copied (replicated, duplicated) in the loop.
The weird genetics of Charlotte and Elisabeth isn't possible in our real world but is the consequence of time travel and implies the creation of maternal chromosomes (M) in the loop, without origin. This constitutes a causal loop or bootstrap paradox. It's an information paradox, because the chromosomes in the loop don't remain "the same", but get copied (replicated) to identical duplicates.
The writers of Dark prescribed the possibility of time travel which implies causal determinism, a fixed timeline (Block Universe). Thus the grandfather paradox is avoided. But they allowed bootstrap paradoxes. The genetics of Charlotte and Elisabeth follows out of it. Because that's against our experience we can't really "grasp" it.
This is my favorite episode of the show
About Noah killing Yasin: it is a popular fan theory that Noah killed him because he was Elisabeth's boyfriend. But I don't think that was the reason. Everything Noah did with the children (and probably everything else) was because it was written in the book and it was in the book because it always happened that way. Noah doesn't really have any personal agency in there.
I agree - it's a funny thought, but I do believe Yasin was already marked for death regardless.
@@ChannelNamePending699 Remind me of this at some later point and I might give my 2 cents about that
@@ChannelNamePending699 I mean thats true what he said (it's not a spoiler anymore)
Noah killed "random" boys to test the machine thats true but at the same time he picked all 3 carefully.
Erik was killed to start the whole process. Because of him, bartosz would go near the cave for drugs therefore Mikkel disappears.
Mads was killed to make Ulrich policeman and then start his journey.
Yasin was killed because what he said, he was a danger to Noah
It was in the book, because it had to happen to get Charlotte and Noah together/in love. Yassin was Charlotte's love interrest so he had to go. Nothing was random, everything had a meaning or a purpose
Where to even begin with this episode? I can't think of a single episode of anything in television in which so much happens to such a large cast.
Aleksander's Walther is the mother of all Chekov's guns. Because it's Dark though, it isn't "if you see it will be used later". It's "it will be used later, and earlier, and later again, which was also earlier." So many people have messed with that gun and it's racking up bodies. Poor Martha died in the apocalypse but not even because of the apocalypse, just a simultaneous but unrelated homicide.
Oh my lord it's a literal Chekhov's gun.
What kills me about Martha's death is that she barely even know what's going on. She learned about time travel like, 48 hours ago. She's known that Jonas is her nephew for even less than that. She's JUST reunited with Jonas, only for what looks like a burned grilled cheese in a suit to walk in, say HE'S Jonas, and then shoot her. Not to mention another, older Jonas was also pointing a gun at her earlier that day. I'd be so confused.
Clausen thinks Alexsander killed his brother. Burying his body in one of those barrels would be a good way to dispose of it. 51:46
I came to the same realization later, off-screen. Still a weird scene to me because even if he's police, I don't think he has the kind of authority to go overriding power plant protocols like that. I guess search warrants are the ultimate authority in Winden 🤷♂️
I am speechless 😂😂
hahaha, the first 2min of the ep! that hilarious!
This episode just blew me away! Congratulations on your theory about Charlotte’s mother being correct. I had no idea.
And so the first/last cycle begins/ends... It´s a pleasure to watch your reactions and predictions. Now you are ready for the last reveals - prepare for a ride straight to the hell and back!
Another masterpiece episode and fantstic reaction! You did a great job predicting Elizabeth and Charlotte's complicated relationship! What a major mindf*ck! But then the season finale goes all out! So many other events and interconnections. Wow...
And season 3 begins, i know you are already buckled in!
Another great reaction...
The beauty and brilliance of Dark is that it keeps viewers guessing up until the very end. Up until the very final scene. You just don't know how this story will conclude and what will happen to the characters.
Writing and execution at its finest... 😉
Regarding the alternate world reveal:
There was plenty of subtle foreshadowing going back to season one. All those references to mirroring, and many scenes had objects mirroring each other including the episodes intros. 😉
Oh... alt Martha's appearance was probably the biggest WTF of the series for me. My jaw literally hit the floor. 😲
Let's gooooo 🎉
do you know why Adam was not afraid of getting killed by Noah? - well Jonas witnessed witnessed Adam killing Martha, and that had not happened yet with Noah threatnend him, so he knew he would survive the encounter to fulfill that future memory...and as he tells his younger self, it is not a vision he will ever forget.
and congrats on remembering about that spot on the floor, in that last minutes of the commentary....you talked about it a few times during the season, was surprised you did not pick it up on the moment
Oh dang, didn't make that connection! That makes way more sense now. I still wonder if there was more to the fact that the gun jammed at that specific moment. If it was tampered with or if it was because time literally wouldn't allow Adam to die yet (please don't say anything if it's a spoiler).
Ohhh man....waited the hole day....sooooooooo late😅😅
To the Point about feeling bad for Noah.
It is easier for Viewer to bond with a Character who has flaws. Like we have in real Life. And i think they made a really good Job with giving everyone good/bad Sites, so that you even feel bad for Noah or Helge.
Same with "good" Characters, when they dont have flaws it is getting boring and we dont invest more interest in them.
Agreed! Again, what this season did for Noah's character was nothing short of brilliant. When watching season 1, I never could've imagined I would one day feel this much sympathy for Noah.
It is also a very "Hollywood" thing to do to paint characters as either black or white, good or evil; I know a lot of people then bring up the Grimm tales they know to highlight how European folklore has been similar; but most of them have a moral; like little red riding hood; she should have gone directly to her grandmother but she didn't and therefore brought repercussions on herself and her poor grandmother; and although the wolf seems to be an evil deceiver, he is also an animal that needs to feed; Hänsel and Gretel? those kids literally eat the roof over an old woman's head... which might have been part of her trap anyways...
and do not even get me started on some of the inspirations of this show; Greek mythology is a wild place where "heroes" do the strangest things; and Theseus is one of the worst
Noah had become my favorite character at this point. His death was as tragic for me as the path he had to follow to get to that point 😢 And with the picture of Elisabeth right next to him 😫
6:19 😂
Season 3 asap please
this is why i always found your disdain for the martha and jonas pairing hilarious, like yeah of course it’s weird, but when you factor in the increasingly convoluted family tree and the whole “noah’s wife is his future granddaughter” thing, martha/jonas seems pretty vanilla lmaoooo
In fairness we were not prepared for the sheer amount of incest this show contained 😅 I think Jonas and Martha was a litmus test to slowly get the audience ready for how much more fucked up it would get
@ for sure!! 😅 i remember when this show first came out and people were making game of thrones incest jokes but DARK really said, hold my beer
Quantum entanglement of particles...
Hi, do you have a Patreon page?
No, but I'm open to the idea if people are interested!
Finally cathcing up and hoping not to fall behind again; I have to guess that you have recorded all reactions by now because... ir would drive me nuts if I had to wait even a day or two during thos last 8 episodes;
4:45 goddammit those subtitles; Noah says he cannot tell his younger self what his "Bestimmung" is; destiny!!! not provision
5:20 and here Noah blatantly steals from Stranger-Jonas... or well... maybe it is the other way round... anyways; great to have that same line in the first and second season finale; we keep discussing whether or not changing the past was possible despite the ontological paradoxes we observe... but then again they keep coming to that conclusion that they would do it any other way either; that maybe the question isn't about the physics but the psychology behind it
which is of course a beautiful advertisement for 1899
7:35 So in case you are seeing both comments; I cannot open my comment on Jonas' line about the big and small parts on any device; that line is intriguing as it is a direct contradiction to the tabula smaragdina that Noah and the guy he killed have tattooed;
its "as above so below" line talks about superior and inferior in the latin translation of the arabic texts; this could be read as high and low but equally as more and lesser or even like here big and small;
9:00 this scene should also be somewhat reminiscent of Jonas saying goodbye to his mother, Hannah, at the end of season one; Jantje really pushed those repetitions in this one
I really needed to keep this question to my chest for the whole season; did you notice that in 2x01 when Jonas listened to the tape that it was the voice of middle aged Claudia telling us she survived the apocalypse of 2020?
EDIT: 1:03:10 at least now you know; I really love these edits; and how invested you two are
but then there is something I just noticed this year: of all the adults who were in the loop and met up in the bunker earlier this season, not two of them are together during the apocalypse: Hannah has already left for he 50s, Peter is inside the bunker, Katharina is beneath that/him in the passage, Charlotte is in the power plant, and Jonas is in the Kahnwald home using the Tannhaus device.
@@michaelklausyes, in the 2x2 reaction at around 0:40 Fabio noted that it was middle-aged Claudia's voice. I never mentioned it on screen, but it was for this reason I assumed middle-aged Claudia would be there for the apocalypse (though I evidently forgot about this before the finale lol)
Noah never heard Jonas say that (as far as I can remember), or vice versa, so I have to assume it's more of a thematic repetition of lines than actually stealing
Yes, many problems with being your own grandmother. It requires bootstrap paradox chromosomes.
Bootstrap paradox chromosomes 😭
Great reaction as usual! Congrats for catching the Elizabeth-Charlotte twist before it was revealed here.
One thing that bothers me juuuust a little with this twist is that it shouldn't be possible DNA-wise. Like, if Elisabeth's DNA is half Charlotte and half Peter, Charlotte's DNA as Elisabeth's and Noah's daughter simply cannot have the full DNA of the half that Elisabeth got from her. Noah's and Peter's DNA has to be accounted for in this, and then this is just biologically impossible.
This was one of the main points of concern I had while working on this theory. I was trying to find a way to make it work biologically. There's an interesting discussion on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com about this exact topic, and I'll link it here since it's too long to summarize: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/170381/in-a-world-with-time-travel-would-it-be-possible-to-be-your-own-mothers-mother
Ultimately I think it comes down to what the writers thought was more important - scientific accuracy, or the impact on the story. It's the latter for me personally.
It is technically possible if you look at how exactly meiosis works; to create the cells needed for reproduction one cell containing all the genetic information of an individual basically divides itself into two cells with different "halfs" of the genetic information; either one of those is then combined with with a reproductive cell of another individual also with half a set of genetic information to create a new complete set of genetic information of a new individual;
now inside the new individual, a cell undegoes meiosis and it is statistically very very improbable that the two "half sets" of genetic information will be exactly split the way they had been before; you might have learned about the probabilities while discussing recombination;
but this is DARK and therefore the improbable of course happens; Elisatbeth and Franziska share the exact same match of maternal genetic information that is passed down in an endless circle; but that also means that this information has no origin; it is in itself a Jinn of the second kind according to Novikov
the paternal side of the genetic DNA then defines all the differences between Elisabeth and Charlotte; and Franziska? well there we see the recombination at work;
No spoiler - just info you forget ( but you saw it) - remember old claudia said " i saw world without jonas....it was not good" =)
44:53 We did not forget
@@ChannelNamePending699 oh....weird how i missed it. anyway, glad you remember this
Just to help keep things clear, I suggest these time names for Jonas: Young Jonas, PTSD Jonas, Traveler Jonas, Hanged Jonas, Claudia's Jonas, Stranger Jonas, and Adam Jonas.
Baby Yodas
I think you forgot about Nick Jonas, Joe Jonas, and Kevin Jonas; I think many of us went with Jonas, Stranger-Jonas, Adam and then for the inbetween of June 20th 2019 until the apocalypse on June 27th 2020, we often talked about 1-year-older-Jonas; but then again for some reason apocalypse-Claudia somehow got stuck for old Claudia... which might get confusing after this episode
@@michaelklaus I held off going into further forms of Jonas to avoid spoilers for the guys watching to this point.
subtitles? 😭😭
The dialog at 8:40 just reminded me, one request: please, PLEASE don't mute the song they play at the the beginning 3x01. It's my ABSOLUTE favorite song of all "TIME" 😁 and I just love to hear it in this show... They go together so well.
They’re bound by what gets copy-claimed :(
As much as I'd LOVE to leave all the song montages unmuted, the video almost always gets blocked or claimed if I include them :/
Everything is plausible but
Charolette🔁Elizabeth, like could they have at least had an adoption because how is Peter still her father if she conceives her mother and her mother conceived her 😫😫😫😫😫😫
Just don’t like it, don’t like it one bit!
Of course that's impossible in our world without time travel. But with time travel and the possibility of causal loops (bootstrap paradox) it's possible despite it escapes imagination. Because half of the DNA that both have in common has no origin in the fathers! Inconceivable.
Don't get triggered; this question is not answered in the show. Do you think that young Jonas and middle aged Claudia ever had sex during their time together? I always imagined that they would have, because they are alone with each other for such a long time.
why not.. on old boaats u learn sailing
It's old Claudia and young Jonas who've spent a year together, so I very much doubt it.