Super 8 Cameras and Accessories: Must-Know Tips when buying
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- This 3 part series will go over everything you need to know in order to shoot on Super 8 film.
Part 1 deals with Super 8 cameras and accessories. Many times you can find working cameras at thrift shops. Learn what features you need to look for and how to test for them.
I also go over some key camera accessories that will help in maximizing your ability to get the most out of this format.
I've put together a PDF of great links that go into further detail about film stocks, cameras, and shooting tips. You will also find links to some of the items I purchased for my Super 8 camera.
www.dropbox.com/sh/nluauohqa2...
Part 2 will deal with shooting a test roll and how to send off roll to get it processed and digitized.
Part 3 will document us shooting a little 2 page script on Super 8 film and the challenges that come with shooting a narrative story on film.
Special thanks to RYAN TIMMS for letting us borrow his Canon 814 Super 8 camera.
Music by: BIG FOK
Camera by: KYLE PLATZ
In Association with: PBS Digital Studios - Навчання та стиль
It's always great to see other filmmakers out there who still support Super 8. The angry, narrow-minded responses this sort of thing usually generates ("Might as well wear a loincloth and chisel on a stone tablet while you're at it!") baffle me to no end.
It's a unique format that has the potential to create incredibly evocative images that wouldn't be possible through any level of digital fakery. If only people could put down their RED Epics for five seconds and learn how to use a tool outside their ultra-modern comfort zone.
Yeah it's been a lot of fun, and the limitations make you work harder to get the shot right.
Limitations breed creativity.
Love this whole channel by the way. Some day I'd like to use some of the practical effects advice you've shown here in my own work
I hear you! I don't hate digital, it is useful in some instances but, at the end of the day, film is just better. I just saw Dunkirk in 70mm which was a real treat. Digital is alright but the real magic is in film.
Kodak did recently begin producing a colour reversal film stock as well, so if anybody watching this would like to film in colour and run it on a projector, that option is once again available.
Super 8 is such an awesome, classic medium and I am happy to see Kodak is keeping it around. I only discovered it a few years back when the film 'Super 8' was released and whatever you think about the film, it does show how much "production value" these cameras can bring to a vintage period piece. The film, while not widely acclaimed, is the only film of 2011 I can distinctly remember seeing among the MANY others I went to see that year (working at a movie theatre, I saw everything). And the movie does provide many excellent examples as to how super 8 film can add value to compositions set in the pre-digital and VHS era.
oh my god, i stumbled across this video because i was told about super 8 cameras in class, then you show nala and i'm thinking "huh, haven't i seen her before?" looked at your twitter and realize you live near my school. i've pet nala on her walks around the uncsa campus before!! small world !
great, thorough video though. so cool to know local filmmakers are teaming up with PBS to make this kind of content. i'd love to see more of your work in person!!
Finally I found someone with real knowledge about the super-8 material. This guy did it for me! Thank you! Very good job!
Like a breath of fresh air. Keep it up, brother.
Thanks Chip, we will be cranking out more soon !!!
Great video.I had GAF ST/1002 I uses in the 70's it did the job.
Great video. I was looking for super8 cams on eBay the other day. now I know what to look for. thanks
the 8mm camera you showed at the start as "one you cant shoot with" is still absolutely useable, you can still get the 16mm rolls that fit into them.
Great stuff man!
very nice and informative. the camera's to look out for are also the most expensive ones so if you find it in a thrift sotre you are one lucky bastard. i never have found such camera's there in my 18 years of collecting. but hey, for starters a simple camera is also good
Love this! Thanks, I just bought a Braun Nizo S800. 😀
Ohhh, I'm jealous. Nizo's are so cool looking.
Wow! This is super cool.
Excellent job on this .
Hey Joey, great video man. It's good to see you are still killing it these days.
What up Steve !!!! Thanks brother !!! Still in Columbia ?? Might have to check out your Vimeo channel and see what you've been up to !!!
Absolutely. I've done some super 8mm films you might dig. Keep making these videos man. They are fantastic.
Those Yashica Electros are cool.
Great video man thank you!
It's very interesting! Please, do the 16mm too, I always want to shoot something on this format!
I actually have an old 8mm from my grandpa i always wanted to test...guess this is the Time to start!
I do too it's a bell& Howell 8mm camera from the 60's
Didn't know you could still get the film .. Canon really did make some quality kit in those days. i have one of their clockwork std 8mm cameras .. beautiful machine .. and the 814, my all time fav.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!
Thanks for making this!! :D
great video,thank you. but you're stating that the the Tri-X is the only film that can be processed to run on the projector?
please elaborate. Cheers.
This is super awesome.
Told you :D
Thanks! really cool!
The places to develop worth their salt will do the old skool trick of printing color negative onto a positive so you can project it.
Dude this is fantastic, What was this shot on? I love the 90s look of the stand up
Hey!
I just got a Nizo S800 that come out from a check and i made a change for the 1.3V light sensor so it could work without the mercury cell, and i am on my way to make my first movie next holiday.
When you talk about the filter, so you mean that i need to set it on day light? or indor? I will be using a Kahl color 200d UT 18 reversal cartridge.
Thanks for your videos by the way, very inspiring.
Super helpful!!
Hi! Thanks, great video!
I just got myself a Super 8 camera, it's the same Yashica Super 40 Electronic that you handle at one point in the video.
1. Is there a Filter on that camera? I cannot seem to find one.
2. My local analog photography shop recommended I buy some T 500 to start off with but now I am wondering whether I would be able to shoot outside in daylight or whether that would be a big no no?
Thanks in advance :)
thanks bro, very helpful
My god. Indie filmmaking used to be really expensive.
not really, super 8 used to be like 4.50 a cartridge in the 70s.
@@handwriting8804 that's the equivalent of 30 bucks now when you account for inflation so.. pretty steep!
@@TakinPitchers i have super 8 cartridges from the mid 70's with the price tag of $3.00 on them, that's like $15 adjusted for today's money, so definitely a lot cheaper than super 8 now
Robert Rodriguez shot his movie for $7K, of which $6K were 16mm film stock and lab services. He got camera, actors and set for free.
With colour negative film, you could build an optical printer to make a positive final cut.
Hey Joey, there is one color reversal stock left in production it's the Belgian wittnerchrome the 200D. It's the only stock that gives you a look similar to the 60's kodachrome.
I just shot 2 rolls in Mexico last week, and the 1st was wittnerchrome 200D the 2nd one was the Agfa 200d, If was ok but the wittnerchrome was better over all, I did the transfer myself to 4k hd for editing (24p), You can see clips on my other channel, Video is called "Mexico 2017 Music Video #1 Hbvideos Osborne Neighborhood Church" (this is not ad for my video just wanted you guys to see the super 8 stuff) I glad I had film, (the 1st shot filmed 2 times) 1 on digital and 1 time on Super 8. Well guess what the digital file failed so I used the Super 8 worked out fine, Real film never fails, Digital sometimes does. I don't like using chips to film video, Tapes were much more relay able.
briliant video. I know Nico from Nicos Photography Show is interested Super-8/16mm.
anyway, cool vid!
good info! cheers!
Thanks it help me a lot
Very awesome vid :-)
Where did you find the kodak super 8 promotional/instructional footage
Kodak failed at putting out their redesign of the Super 8mm camera. But no worries, I'm so pleased that www.Pro8mm.com is killing it for us. At about 88 bucks for 3 scanned minutes, some seven or so stocks now are available. Buy a roll, get shipping, processing and scanning, and links to your scan. Also they have refurbished cameras for purchase, because many of the old cameras are pretty in need. I'm so happy about this because all the younger generations can now learn and use this wonderful format. It came SO close to full extinction in the late 90's. Whew! It's a bit cost prohibitive for feature length, but short films are perfect for my budgets.
It was already all but extinct in the mid 1980-s.
found a keystone xl200 with film before I moved like 4 years ago...... maybe i'll try and do something with it
I shoot about 3 or 4 Super 8 carts a year, I know its a lot of $, but it has been a hobby for me since I was 3 in 1980, Yes my dad let me use his camera back then. I Did my 1st super 8 short film around 1988. I shot A few music videos later in my teen years in Super 8, like I said in another post, Shot some last week for my church. "Mexico 2017 Music Video #1 Hbvideos Osborne Neighborhood Church" 1st few shots are Wittercrome 200D.
Things have changed since 2016. There is Ektachrome 100 color reversal film available. Also, one company in Berlin is able to make prints from Super8 negatives. This means you can shoot in Vision3 and project your film.
Hello. I love the video. If I may I would like to ask your help. I love the super 8 look and recently I've been using After Effects to take my Sony mirorless videos and use super 8 overlays to "fake" that look. There are numerous of these for sale but I want to learn how to do this myself. Are you familiar with this process? I'm assuming I have to get a camera and run a reel of blank film and take video of the screen. I apologize if I'm not being clear. Thanks.
Thanks !
Very informative, where are the 2,3 parts for s8mm ?
legend!
Very interesting
Foma still makes D8mm film for the older cameras. One can still use it
1:01 And just three seconds later, everything in the room burst into flames.
great video! I got myself a Bauer C3 Super a year ago or so, didn't invest on film yet, but this series and the fact that I'm now in it's original country, will try to find some! When are the next videos coming up? :)
Probably Monday, August 15th. Just got test roll back yesterday !!
nice! Good luck! :)
Dear Shanks, can you please answer the following 3 Questions please, 1. When people recorded with one of these camera's back in the 1970s and watched their footage back on some sort of large screen, would they always see the sprocket on the screen. 2. How would they view back their footage, was it through a TV or something else. 3. Today we store our video on hard drives and the cloud, how did people store their super 8 video back in the 1970s.
Hi! I just bought a COsina HDL 7510M. I didn't find much infomration about it, but I was wondering if you could tell me if there are some cameras that prevent the motor from running when a film cartridge is not inside the camera? Because I inserted some batteries and pulled the trigger, but the motor didn't run, just a red light on the viewfinder showed up.
I've used almost nothing but 814 Auto Zooms for the past few years. Those things are virtually bulletproof and they have great optics. Unfortunately the last one I had got stolen this summer in San Diego. Right now I'm debating on whether to spend money on a Pro814 or wait for Kodak's camera, now that we know it actually exists. They'll probably be about the same price.
When you were using yours, did you run the light meter with the PX625A Alkaline batteries?
LOL now 5 years later and still no Kodak Camera out, i hope you got a replacement or are you still waiting.
How do you compensate with the modern Vision film speed since super 8 wasn't built to read 500T etc
I recommend to avoid Super8 due to its rising prices in cartdrigaes and cameras. If you are going to use film go directly to 16mm where you can get stock for a way cheaper price.
I hear ya, the plan is to do a series on 16mm next. Then hopefully one on 35mm, and then one on 65mm !!! (I doubt the last part will happen)
LOL Actually I develop film by hand and recently bought a film Scanner with a 8mm, super8 and 16mm gate. Keep an eye for 7243 and 7244 Intermediate film. Its super cheap.
I just got my Krasnogorsk-3 back from S16 conversion. Great and affordable camera. Would be cool to see one in your next series.
+Сукпу Ын did you got your viewfinder modified?
Thanks for the tip Ruben, are you familiar with the Canon Scoopic 16mm camera? They are going for like $300 on Ebay. Seems like a decent 16mm camera.
Most of the cameras in the introduction are NOT SUPER 8 but rather 8mm (they had no sound). The Kodak Brownie Movie Camera f/2.3 is an 8mm camera. It did not have a cartridge, but you had to put the film on the "take up" spool by hand. Great fun. No batteries, you had to hand wind it up. If you really want to go "retro" get a Kodak Brownie Movie Camera. The Film Photography Project is a great resource for help and how to get film.
I just did a one take super 8 event film shoot and went into it without ever using the format before. Everyone shot Tri-X reversal. Will see what I got in April when the screening happens! (btw I totally may have flipped the 85 filter up because I set my camera to daylight....)
I am buying my first super 8 camera what brand and model you suggest and where to buy it ??
Can these film cartridge be digitized at home using wolverine digitizer ??
Super
I just bought a Sankyo EM 60XL at a flea market for $5. It has a bad view finder so I can't see the exposure meter. Is the camera's auto exposure sensor located in the view finder assembly? If so, I will assume I will not have AE as well. Do you know how the manual exposure dial works? There is no marking on the dial to tell the exposure settings. On the plus side, I don't think the bad viewfinder is due to user breakage, but most likely manufactory defect. Therefore, this camera was not used, and with nearly new working parts.
Love this series! quick question, are you sure those PX625A batteries work for the 814 auto zoom light meter? I heard it can overload the meter and even break it?
I’ve heard of this as well, there is always a chance it can overload. Especially when your dealing with a battery powered piece of equipment that’s 30 years old. You could drain the battery a little before putting in, that might help prevent an overload.
Shanks FX How does one do that?
Phoenix Jurgens U could put the battery in a small little light that takes those kind of batteries. Go to a party store / dollar store and u can find little lights. Leave the light on for 30 min or so. Just a theory but is a decent solution if ur worried about overload.
Hello, I cant find your video (if you did it or Analogue Resurgence. I sent him this same message), of recording logo animation on a monitor/tv screen). So, I wanted to ask, if I shot something on digital and wanted to shoot the monitor playing it on film, which camera, film format/WB and shutter speed would be the best to get a good result, without much flicker).
I have a few super8s, double 8s and a K3. Thanks
By the way, you can still get color reversal stock from Pro8mm, but I'm not sure for how long.
Probably not long. Wittner Kinotechnik allegedly killed Wittnerchrome 200D about a year ago, so Spectra and Pro8mm are working on current stock. And I wouldn't expect Ferrania's reversal stock (or for that matter, any of their stocks) any time in the next five years...
Unfortunately, the only other option is to bite the bullet and deal with the scalpers on eBay who want to sell E100D at obscene prices.
I have a super 8, I need to use it
Yeah, Canon 814's are just laying around in thrift shops
Can you tell me some film super 8 cameras that shoot manual exposure and shoot 24fps for a decent price?
Could you do a side by side test with the android app which is Super 16 by Dmitry Shatilov as this does super 8 etc and a normal Super 8 camera and get 500T film and video the exact same scene and compare to see if the app is like the actual film.
Smartphones have CMOS sensors. The vast majority of these sensors use rolling shutter. Once you start moving the camera, or the subject moves across the frame, you will notice skewing and jello, which film cameras do not exhibit. You know what other cameras do not have such distortion? CCD-based ones.
sweet
I've got a Bell & Howell Super 8 that I shot my first test films with back in the 70s. It's strictly no-frills, and silent, but it still works. Would love to know where you are getting film for them.
B&H has the cheapest prices. And they now do free two day shipping on purchases of $50 or more.
@@ShanksFX1 Not quite right as B&H can be pretty pricey. I remember when Fuji discontinued peel apart film for Polaroid cameras. Their prices for it went up about 400% the day it was announced, I haven't bought from them since cause I don't support businesses that gouge the hell out of you. The cheapest prices you'll find for Kodak film are from Kodak themselves. Either call to order or use their website. They ship very quickly too. I buy 400" rolls of Kodak XX 35mm to roll my own 35mm cassettes and just started ordering Super 8 Ektachrome that I will process myself. I am angry with Kodak for discontinuing Plus-X, Tech Pan, and Ektachrome but at least they brought back Ektachrome. If they would sell it for standard 8mm I would be very happy with them again. I think my favorite is still standard 8mm with my old Minolta Zoom 8. Check out the price list, you'll see......
www.kodak.com/uploadedFiles/Motion/Products/Product_Information/Kodak-Motion-Picture-Products-Price-Catalog-US-Prices.pdf
1:51 ha to the far left there is a polaroid 600 radio
Hello Joey Shanks. I just found a Bauer C1 Super 8 camera. I don't have any use for it. Just watched your video on You tube. You seem extremely into it. Do you want it? I could send it to you depending where you live. I live in S California
LMK thx
Can you use the modern non sound cartridges with the old sound cameras?
Yes you always could in the old days.
I know you're talking about Super 8 cameras, but I love the aesthetic coming from the camera shooting this video. What camera did you use here and were there any diffusion filters involved?
I used a Sony Fs7 and had a simple little diffusion filter on lens. It's a cheap one, like $15 bucks on Amazon. Also, I think backlight also helped with the diffusion look as well.
What's the song by BIG FOK in the background?
2:16 My pockets will never be deep enough for those models. (In working condition that isn’t parts/repair) Maybe they were cheaper in 2016? By that point I’ll just see if I can get a reflex model Bolex H16 instead. ☹️
At least the good news is since this video was produced regular 8MM has returned, and you can get some pretty decent cameras for that format for peanuts. (for now)
Does anyone have a camera Nizo s8e?
Is it normal that the image seen from viewfinder is so dark? Thanks.
Have you worked with audio recorded to Super 8? I know that some Super 8 film stocks will record audio. Do you know if any of film stocks currently in production will record audio and do you know where/how to get that processed?
Unfortunately the magnetic strip type of super 8 stock is no longer produced or processed
Indention = archaic term for indentation.
Hi I'm from India & this Canon Canosound 514XL - S was left to me by my father. I actually don't know what to do with it....... Should I sell it? Pls suggest possible online platform on where to sell them.
Is the vintage video about Super8 online somewhere?
evildonkey think I found that one on UA-cam , just type in Kodak super 8 commercial
I'd like for my color film to be processed so that I can watch on a projector. I just wish it wasn't so expensive to do.
Well Kodak brought back the Ektachrome color reversal stock. And for the Super 8 format as well. So you'll be able to shoot color film again that you can watch on a projector.
I film with a Elmo 1012xl, All the new stocks worked fine (I only shoot reversal) and can't wait for Kodak to release the new Ektachrome. I did have some over exposure with the Velva 50 a few years ago, but 100d (to me) was the best, I loved that stock.
how do you know that your film stop recording? I didn´t count the time.
Do you recommend the Canon 310XL?
Very basic, but good.
where can I send the film to be processed so i can play it on the projector?
Spectra Film and Video in North Hollywood, C.A. That is where I got mine done last week. They have a web site and do Super 8 reversal about once a week. Very nice guys too, Been using them for about the last 10 years or so.
There is color reversal
where did you get your film stock from?
Either from Kodak directly (they sell it on their website shop) or depending where you live, there's third party services. We in Germany for example have ANDEC & Wittner Kinotechnik. And I think they also do international shipping. There's also some in UK as well.
Hey Joey, I’m shooting with 50D film (based outdoors primarily), I want to only use the exposure on the manual setting however I’m unsure on how bright/dark it will be. Can you shed any tips at all on that for me?
Use and light meter app on your phone an set thr iso to 50 and you will see if you are underexposing or overexposing depending on lighting
Brian Segarra thank you very much! I’ll give it a go
The problem is that pretty much 90% of Super8 Cameras aren't capable of handling the different ISO/ASA ranges of the modern filmstock that Kodak and some third party suppliers, like Wittner, supply. Only the higher end models allow you to either manually set the ISO/ASA settings to the desired film-speed or they automatically recognize it from the super8 cassette notch. And technically you COULD project negative stock and film it with your camera. All you need to do is inverting the image in post. But it's crap and the films should rather be really getting a real telecine scan for optimum results.
I have the Braun Nitzo. Put in the 6 batteries but it wont work:( #motor
Yeah, these Nizos all need servicing after all these years.... I too have one. Even a soundfilm model that runs much quieter than the regular silentfilm cams.. It stopped several times in between shots while I was shooting a Super 8 cartridge in 2012. Was even regular Ektachrome 100D color reversal stock. Really drove me mad because it messed up some shots.
Do you know where I could find one of those trigger switches separately?
You look like a combination of Mark Whalberg and Jet Li haha
"cmos" batteries
is there anyway to attach LCD Viewfinder or monitor to super 8 cameras ??
Buy a DV camcorder.
mark wahlberg wants his face back.
Io ne ho diverde
People just do sh*t like this to try to be "cool" and "retro." That's all it is. If you don't like digital then stop using your cell phone and UA-cam and your computer. Go "retro" bro.
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Is it possible to use your own projector and project color videos?
I know almost nothing about cameras/super 8 cameras.
Thane Mac well I was born in 2005 so I wasn't around when these were in generous use. I've seen people project color 8mm film in ALF and Charlie's Angels, but I've seen multiple tutorials on UA-cam and everybody says that when you send the color film off to get developed, they would send it back digitally. I assume I would have to ask specially to have it sent back in projectable film?