2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe | The Best Engine To Get?
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Jeep's plug in hybrid system has been a tad controversial. If you can't plug it in, fuel economy seems to be middling. Part of that is the weight and off-road mission of the Wrangler 4xe and the Grand Cherokee 4xe, and part of that is the way Jeep calculates the MPGs, which is stupid. That said, if you can't plug in and you want to save on gas, you should look towards a MPG-focused full hybrid or just buy the Jeep with the V6. On the other hand, if you *CAN* plug your Jeep in, even just a few times a week, you'll see a pretty massive drop in your gasoline consumption.
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00:00 - Introduction
0:32 - Styling
1:58 - How big is it?
3:40 - Engine deep-dive
6:31 - All about that fuel economy
10:54 - Seat comfort
12:49 - Cargo capacity
13:27 - Interior
19:50 - How does it drive?
30:08 - Bottom lining the PHEV Grand Cherokee - Авто та транспорт
Also, designers are WAY too in love with piano black of late.
Just one of your best videos recently IMO. Great presentation of all of the hybrid info.
Agreed. I saved it and have watched it more than once already. Nice job Alex.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain the way that Jeep is overstating the fuel consumption. Knowing that, this has just gone back on my list of possible vehicles.
You mean understating the fuel consumption?
@@garrettw99 LOL i mean really.
Alex, I watched one of your videos that caught my eye yesterday. Now today, I've watched probably 10 of them. I really love the style and format of your videos, especially the level of detail that you go into and how you intuitively answer questions that many people would have about the subject vehicle. Thanks for providing this excellent resource!
Excellent video. There is a lot more detail about the mechanics of the Grand Cherokee 4xe than I have seen on any other video!
I just sold my 2017 Pacifica Hybrid, and I absolutely LOVED the drivetrain. If it's anywhere near the GC 4xe, it's gonna be a Swiss Army knife of a vehicle
Out of curiosity, what was the range you got out of a full tank of gas? We're battling between the Sienna Hybrid and the Pacifica Hybrid at the moment.
Fantastic video. Learned a lot about the Jeep, but also the competitors and mechanics. Great level of detail!
The calculation for mileage is the same as the Pacifica Hybrid which has been around for a while. Stellantis is not changing it anytime soon.
Yep. I complained about it when that launched too LOL
@@AAutoBuyersGuide aloha when can you review the rogue with that VC turbo 3 cylinder??
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Alex do you have to input a price for the electricity or does it come pre set/over the air updated?
Why complain about this but not something like a XC60 plug-in that only achieves 62 MPGe? Much smaller, weighs less, and far less capable.
@@hellkitty1014 He’s complaining mostly about the way the Jeep does mileage calculations and rightfully so.
The way GM did it on the Volt was better.
Also, the Volvo is more efficient still and has more power.
Great detailed review, as usual! Thank you. I now look forward to your next, even more detailed review, as you promise, of the different trims; especially the 4xe Trailhawk!
Alex --
Great presentation and demonstrates your complete knowledge of the vehicle and competition. Thanks.
I love plugin hybrids. Best of both worlds. Hardly visit a gas station unless I take a seriously long trip. It's been over a year since I had to get gas in my Volt.
My experience is the same. PHEV, the absolute BEST of both worlds!!!..Going on 5 yrs with my Niro.
Given , a 75kwhr battery, 10,000 miles per year, PHEV 80% electric miles.
A) Make 1 BEV converts 10000 miles from gas to electricity.
B) Make 5 phev. (5x15kwhr) converts 40,000 miles from gas to electric
@@cah95046 It's unfortunate for some they have to have all or nothing. EV owners are so upidy they think any use of gas is a sin and gas only owners think if you use a battery you are somehow cheating. I've always been on the side of, why not use both?
@STREEKNINE yep, make the new technology available but retain backwards compatibility with the old. Like usb3 and usb2. No brainer.
@@cah95046 Agree 100%
@@cah95046 A) incentivizes fast charging infrastructure providers by increasing usage and business case, incentivizes the development of more battery production, incentivizes faster charging capabilities.
B) slows the whole transition down
I have a Volt as my only vehicle and have burned plenty of gasoline. If most people are honest with their assessments, they may not be burning much gasoline in their PHEV, but are probably burning it in another vehicle used for longer trips.
Hey, you are driving in my area! Good to see a review of my car in my area. really good points and you are right, I haven't heard some of those points anywhere else.
Great explanation on the complicated way Stellantis treats the fuel economy stats. As an owner of a Rubicon 4xE, it feels like a lot of folks are having a difficult time understanding how these systems actually perform. I’m very similar to your use-case, and rarely add fuel anymore. In fact, since fuel does become stale after a while, and the system has to maintain that, I have only been keeping a quarter tank at max. I think it’s a fantastic platform with a few quirks. Thanks for the great breakdown on this one. 👍
Smile till the warranty last 😅because after that nightmare of 2 drivetrains will haunt anyways best of luck
That's... a fascinating strategy. It never dawned on me to do this with our Pacifica. Interesting!
Amazing video!! Subscribing because these types of videos are exactly what I want when researching vehicles! Nice work! Thank you!!
Great video, very informative, and you did a great job staying on point. Excellent review. Thank you.
26 EV miles ain't bad for such large vehicle. Thad be enough for a day in the city in heavy traffic with zero petrol use.
Hopefully over time something closer to 50 miles of electric range will become normal.
@@ATH_Berkshire the Mercedes-Benz C300e has 60 miles EV range. It's a push in the right direction and I'm thinking about ordering one and by driving EV in the city a single tank would last me 4 or 5 months.
That's what I don't understand about the whining of that range. This thing is 5000lbs+ and pretty large but does have enough EV range for a large portion of Americans.
@@hellkitty1014 imagine being able to go back and forth to work full EV and having a tank that last for a month or so, that's the goal. Now I drive a TDI that gives me 730km avg per tank so I can't complain. There's always going to be a crowd complaining about anything that no matter what. If it's electric they they'll say the battery materials carry loads of pollution during extraction, if it's PHEV then they'll say it doesn't make sense and you'll have to carry dead weight when using the ice. And whatever they can come up with.
Thanks! Great video with lots of intelligent detail compared to others. I have to watch it numerous times to get it all in. So in electric only mode the engine will kick in for extreme use. How about the other way around? Is there electric assist in e-save mode if you're punching it for passing, for example? I haven't heard anything about this circumstance.
Excellent review and very informative. Keep up the good work.
Awesome vid with such valuable and precious information!!!!!!!
You know Alex, a standard calculation of the miles per kwh in EV mode and a separate miles per gallon with empty battery would be the best way to compare different vehicles. Perhaps a chart or spreadsheet with each vehicles MPKwh and MPG could be done.
What a great review! Thank you
I am not a fan of EVs and purchased a new '22 Grand Cherokee L Overland with the V6. With Jeep offering 10% off sticker and dealers discounting even further, I traded in the gray whale on the 2 row '23 Summit Reserve 4Xe. I really appreciate all of the details that you went into about the plug in and I had to make room in the garage for charging, but I am liking it so far and using little fuel, even on the freeway @ 75 mph. Color me happily shocked.
Excellent analysis and review 👍
I had the previous gen with the v6 and the new 4xe power is a very nice upgrade! Love the extra power. I don’t plug in a lot, but still worth it to me if you can buy at a good discount. Smiling ear to ear.
Electrical system reliability has been a serious problem with the prior gas engine models. It will be interesting to see what new flaws the 4xe models will suffer from.
Fantastic video, seriously won me over as a '22 Suburban Z71 driver.
Great video, thank you. So much good information.
Great review. Informative and well reasoned commentary. I have to check out the X5 plug in hybrid but this is a string contender.
Really though and comprehensive review -- good comparisons of important details with the competition!
Another great, detailed, quality review. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Mexico.
Dammit Alex. Yes, yes, yes, as the other people have stated you knocked it out of the park again. The problem is that every time I think I am close to narrowing in on my next vehicle you come out and shove another vehicle down my throat and make me question my decision making. Thanks for making it so dang difficult! :)
I like the nature around you. It is like to live in Haven. In my region it is only three degrees above zero. Keep showing the beautifull green trees and curved roads.
Excellent review!
Good review. Would be helpful to know it was an Overland and to see the sticker. Also would be good to see what is required to charge it in the garage.
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I purchased a 2022 kia Sorento phev and I'm still getting used to plugging it in and it locks my utility vehicle by itself even if I forget thanks for the presentation
Great review. Was the part 2 deep dive ever posted?
I love the explanation of the real world execution of the PHEV system, so many people just didn't understand how the Volt worked and GM didn't market it well with a deep dive like this. 4/10 of a gallon of gas, when at the gas station for the "I thought it was an EV" commercial would've turned the company around.
Alex, great video as always! What was your observed all electric range? Were you able to achieve the stated 26 miles?
If you watched the video, he clearly states he did
Outstanding analysis. You covered all my questions and I’ve watched quite a few videos on this car, we’ll done!
So, I bought one and getting it in a few days , yay.
Looking at this car now in Oct 2023. Are you happy with it? Any issues?Would you recommend it?
I have had it for 6 months and I must admit that it does everything it says on the tin.
I don’t love the twin turbo sound but it is efficient.
It takes forever to charge and I would get the upgraded charging station.
Drove one of these things cross country and the power of the gas plus electric combined is awesome…. With all the amenities I felt like a king of the road!
Great video 👍
Always enjoy your videos, Alex. Curious, you said the 4xe is quieter than the gas-powered versions, but the V8 WL74 you tested showed it was quieter. Driving both, which version do you think was quieter for normal driving?
Nice review. Is Jeep going to come out with a Grand Cherokee L 4xe? Some of us need that third row!
I would add Volvo's line up to your statement at 3:00.
Plugin Hybrids you can plug in on a 110 volt and it will charge overnight. I think the better decision is how much more is the plugin hybrid over the reg hybrid
Alex do you have a spreadsheet or way to access all your vehicle spec data?
Thank you for the video. We use our SUV largely for urban driving or road trips of 1,000 or more miles. Many times these road trips are in more rural areas and we have noticed that the infrastructure for EVs has not reached all areas. For example, many hotels do not yet have EV charging stations. A plug-in hybrid seems to make the most sense for us.
If it’s in the United States, you’re wrong. But, I love the 4XE setup, and they are great vehicles. Just don’t do it because of made up info about lack of EV plugs.
You are absolutely right Alex.
I routinely only get to charge on one end of my work week trips to the office but that has stretched out the number of days between filling the tank.
Even if I never charged, my PHEV is doing better than twice the m.p.g. than what my old gasoline-only car was doing on the same journey.
Love my 2023 Grand Cherokee 4xe
I would love to see the new 3.0L Hurricane engine put in the 4xe~
I’m lovin’ it!
Taking delivery on a Overland 4XE next week hoping it’s going to be a winner.
Fantastic video as always. Do you have any MPG numbers from your highway driving (since you mentioned that the V6 might be more efficient for that type of driving)? I'd also like to see a regular hybrid but agree it probably won't happen.
My first hybrid plug-in SUV! Nice job Alex.
Hi Alex, thanks for the video. If I understand correctly, the JGC 4xe is not a traditional hybrid vehicle. My question is this: is there a drive mode that blends gas/electric to further optimize the MPG beyond the 23mpg? I think of it in terms of a Toyota Highlander that achieves 35mpg.
Great video! Just ordered one earlier this month. This will be my 4th PHEV. Like you I fit the perfect segment for this technology. My commute is about 10 miles to the office. With my wrangler 4Xe I was able to go 2,700 miles on a single tank of gas. (Yet the trip computer said I got 51 mpg. My Pacifica does the same calculations, but we all know how to get the real number 😉) So for people like me 80% of my driving is like having an EV, but when I want to go on a road trip I don’t have to worry about my range. Love my Wrangler, but it’s time to trade up to the GC. It’s a bit pricey, but the $7500 tax credit will help offset that and I think it’s the most versatile vehicle amongst those that Alex mentioned.
I'm going to skip the Wrangler and go straight to the GC, I'm probably not going to go rock crawling.
Does anyone know if the on-board charging is different between the Wrangler and Grand Cherokee 4xe? I heard that the Wrangler does not add power to the batteries with exception of regenerative breaking but the Grand Cherokee can charge while not breaking. Is this true or am I just getting this wrong? My dealer has been giving me bad information concerning the Grand Cherokee 4xe. I ordered the Summit Reserve Grand Cherokee 4xe, have a VIN but the build hasn't started yet, order accepted on 12 September...bummer.
@@JamboneMan They have the same setup. Both can charge the battery while driving, but you really don't want to do that. It's a horribly inefficient way to charge the battery and your fuel economy will suffer. So it can do it, you just won't want to.
I’ll replace the diesel wrangler with a 4XE GC, and we’ll still travel in our Tesla, and never worry about range. “Range Anxiety” is something people without an EV have, and nobody who owns one has
@@HumbertoYi0878 False. What a ridiculous statement to make. Many of us have range anxiety. How silly. I know maybe 50 people around me with them and all 50 of us would list range anxiety as our number 1 complaint. You must live in California or maybe under a rock.
What was the octane rating of the fuel that was used during the performance test? Jeep claims that this engine can see a benefit from a higher octane fuel.
Great choice of vehicle to review in depth! Could mention the Range Rover Sport PHEV with 38 kWh battery and CCS fast charging support, with higher price of course. Please review the Wagoneer 4xe and RAM Revolution EV truck (with range extender option) as they are unveiled in more depth.
i saw thumbnail but dint notice the side mass, so i thoght i was looking at a roof down large suv like cabriole
28:05 PHEVs are the best! Creating a HEV for a niche highway market just isn't worth it. It may yield a 1 mpg improvement over a PHEV in gasoline hybrid mode. Weight is not important at speed once you are moving. Weight is important on acceleration from low speed. Just think about how a train moves, the weight of a PHEV battery doesn't make a big difference at highway speeds.
what is the best choice of Grand Cherokee's for road trips? 6-8 hr trips each way
Base model 4XE does not come equipped with the tow pack and if you add the hitch aftermarket, the rating is 3500
Do they have an inverter built in?
I would like to know if theirs a noise when you step and release the accelerator pedal,i have a hybrid pacifica 2022 and it does,intereted in the cherokee hoping it doesn’t
Is the moving map display on the instrument cluster google maps?
Thanks Alex for this detailed video. Mitigating fossil fuel usage is good for all. While full EVs are great, they are not for all of us. My home doesn't have the infrastructure to charge an EV. I'd have to change my panel and run a dedicated line outside. The EV would live outside 100% of the time. I'm pretty sure our next vehicle will be a PHEV.
if you live in a cloder weather, they have an issue where the you do not get access to the ev mode in cold weather, it was not fixed till now to my knowledge
This is simply the best luxury PHEV suv on sale tying with the xc90. It has the best interior at this price point and best in class tech. All of that more than makes up for the low mpg
No Asian luxury PHEV current or future this size category can afford to even come close
this also has a reap 4wd system so it can even go places similarly featured cars cant, but may not be a sole reason to buy this.
@@rickjames5998 the space the styling and the beautifully crafted interior and state of the art tech
I had Honda clarity plug in hybrid, it was kind of similar to this one when it comes to the hybrid system. It was very smooth on EV mode, however the 4 cylinder engine was noisy and unrefined! It produced loud noise and vibration felt in the cabin! I could not drive comfortably on hybrid mode since the gas engine was unrefined! Is it the same situation here? Do you feel the gas engine when it kicks in? Is it refined and quiet? Do you feel like you just want to turn it off and flip back to EV to get rid of the noise and vibration?
How does the way Jeep calculates the MPGE/MPG compare to the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV? Would love to see more of a comparison between the two.
Do you know if there’s any difference between this and the 2022 model? Looking to buy one of those.
When it comes to the engines supposed to be behaving similar to the non hybrid counterparts, the GC never has had the 2.0T as an engine on its own, but the Wrangler does. That makes the gas only to PHEV conversion a little less different. The GC is used to either the very high revving V6 or the monsters that are the HEMI V8's.
But the 4xE is very obviously being set up to transfer to the 3.0T when it comes out, as it will replace the Hemi's and the V6 and will be much more hybrid friendly than a big cast iron V8. Also it will allow them to scale up the 4xE to the 3 row and the wagoneers
I don't think so I think the 3.0T will only replace the V8 and will probably have a low take number. They are both pretty overkill for the GC, the 3.0T with the boost of the hybrid would have absolutely ridiculous levels of power. you don't really need an 800 hp GC
@@jeffk464 Stellantis has publicly said the 3.0T is completely replacing all the V8's (excluding the ram 2500 and up). The 4xE high output variant will likely be the new trackhawk. 500hp i6 and 200hp electric motor you do the math.
Wow this is the most comprehensive car review I’ve seen.
Wow, thanks!
MPG when charging with the e-save mode??
I believe that Toyota counts the battery use as free, with the plug in, and also inflates it’s mpg.
Great video as usual Alex but my main concern about this or any Jeep is reliability. I have owned Toyotas, Hondas, VWs, Audis and even a Ford. Toyotas and Hondas are the best. VW and Audi are decent. Ford, meh. My impression based on conversations with Jeep owners and from what I read is that they have a terrible track record. I know they they are great off road but, let's face it, unless that all you want to do, it's hard to justify. I would love to be proven wrong or to hear your (or other's) thoughts on reliability issue.
No locking rear diff, no torque converter, but with air suspension to raise the vehicle and low-range.
Odd combination for an off-road capable vehicle.
Thanks for reviewing! Do they, or will they, offer a third row on this? It's perfect for my family except we need third row.
Is there a Grand Cherokee regular hybrid?
Which recent AutoBuyersGuide gives details on 4Xe? What time mark? Titles & descriptions in AutoBuyers don't help. Thanks
Sorry to comment on a one year old video--but how does this only fit four 24" roller bags when the Toyota Rav4, which has the same stated rear cargo volume, can fit 6 without messing around with "underfloor" storage? It's just wild to me that a vehicle as "big" as the Grand Cherokee can only fit 4 medium roller bags like that. Is it because just one or two extra inches in one direction or another would make all the difference toward packing in 1-2 more bags? If you see this, I'd love a response!
Sloping up tallest in back is basic best air-o profile not to mention roll over toooooo, dah!
2 panes mini split r the only way to go when hybrid trying to best use resources of planet.
Will the gas motor recharge the battery pack while in use? How is a 26 mile electric rage even close to efficient compared to the much more reliable gas motor. The tech is NOT even close to comparable yet. Definitely not worth the huge price of the vehicle. Maybe in the future. Not now.
What is the real world MPG in hybrid mode with a full battery? Is it still 24 MPG?
I bought this vehicle in the summit reserve 4xe version instead of another Range Rover. No regrets. Much better vehicle. Land Rover needs to hire these Jeep Engineers if they want my business back. 🤷🏻♂️
wow. that's a review !
wish the non 4xe had the 2.0 turbo standard
Can't wait to see what they do with the redesigned Cherokee for 2025. I know it will be bigger and come with the 4XE but that's about all I know.
It makes sense that the cost of travel includes MPG and the cost of the electricity.
However, like you said, the REGENERATIVE energy Produced during operation should be considered free.
But the computer can’t differentiate between plug-in energy ($$$), and the regenerative energy (free).
It's a Grand Cherokee, but I'm still surprised combined MPG is only 24.
2:30, calling Stellantis and “American manufacturer” might be a stretch. They are from Amsterdam. Before that it was Fiat for a number of years, Italian. Daimler before that, German. So it’s hasn’t been an American company in a very long time. I supposed this is assembled here in the US, but so are many cars. 🤷🏼♂️
Central diff esp hybrid also!!!! helps big time off road, duh!
Finally large vehicle phevs!
Does it qualify for tax credit today (before dec 31 2022)
It was down to this Jeep or a Toyota Grand Highlander for me, we chose the Highlander, but I think the Jeep is also a solid choice. I didn't want to plug anything in, so I chose Toyota.
Jeep seems to be under-promising over-delivering on MPG calculations. As confusing as that is, I'd rather have it that way.
I tow a 3200# trailer often 300 miles /day. Is there anything I need to be aware of that wasn’t covered here?
No Tachometer? It’s frustrating that all these early reviews show a tachometer and then FCA people decided to remove it. Any idea if they will bring it back?
Paddle shifting in sport mode brings it up
Would it be worth to trade with 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee?
Yes
Now imagine this SUV also coming up with high power plugs; that'd be perfect, and here's hoping that's what we'll get if RAM offers PHEV for next year...
It would make no sense to stop at a DC fast charger just to get 22 miles of EV range. If you want to 'fast charge' the Wrangler/GC 4xe, you put gas in it.
If they’d put this drivetrain in a Ram 1500 I’d order it tomorrow.
If engine mounts r designed to fail at certain load u get best ue of crumple zone ppl 1st major component 2nd body 3rd
1 240 volt alternate min hoping magnetic 2nd trickle charge coming 24hrs charging free roun the clock. Main 240 alternator can free spin up to full charge/power idea on GOD planet, or sorry sack devil stench!