4:41 if you don't want to know the method to my madness and just want to skip to the disassembly. NOTE: at 3:01, that's the 10-core upgrade price not 18-core. That's a 4AM error.
Snazzy Labs kinda unfair to include $130 in mouse and keyboard in the imac pro comparable build when a $20 biglots mouse keyboard combo is as good as the shitty ones apple gives you and if you want mechanical the redragon kumara is $30 and the logitech g300s gaming mouse is $20. And to be honest at that point id pay the extra $50 to use windows 10 and if you really want to work with mac os you get the option to dual boot.
Having more ram is never overkill specially if your dealing with video and pdf files the more the better. Custom PC can be more expensive but one benefit to it is SLI, more power on PSU and better cooling.
It is why they call you fanboys, all that sexy LOL.. You do not understand why they use crappy thermal paste? how are they going to sell you new computer if it does not fail. I am not anti Mac but it is typical of todays manufacturing where nothing lasts so they can sell you another in a few years.
Yeah those "warranty void if removed" stickers are actually illegal in the USA via the Right to Repair laws so rip those things right off and tell Apple to talk to the FTC if they say anything about it.
@Andrew Crews The warranty is *not* voided in this case. The act of opening a device (regardless of stickers) is not legally capable of voiding a warranty. This is what the written law states. It even says "Warrantors cannot require branded parts be used..." Meaning, you are free to modify the internal components as you wish and the warranty is still binding between the warrantor (company/provider) and consumer (purchasing entity.) The sticker is also not allowed to lie, the FTC sent out warnings about this since it is deceptive and suggests and illegal practice. You can lookup the "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act" and read the official legal bill if any of this is confusing. Wikipedia has a fairly good summarization though of the most important bits in simpler language.
@Andrew Crews I did not misunderstand anything. I also directly responded to the "sticker is allowed to lie" in my post. "The sticker is also not allowed to lie, the FTC sent out warnings about this since it is deceptive and suggests and illegal practice."
@@Lucianrider Quick question tho, who would want to buy the CPU from a _base model_ imac pro? You could probably get the regular version of that CPU for a similar price used and it would be slightly faster. The only reason I see is if you wanted to upgrade your imac pro with genuine imac pro parts, but then why would you want the lowest end CPU possible?
The stuff we see once you opened the case like the issue with thermal paste is why people complain about quality control. The fact they don’t let us do these upgrades more easily despite the price and the fact that you can in fact upgrade begs the question of why they do make those options available
Great to know! I can stick with my 10-core stock config, having spent $5 more, and lack about 7% performance but keep the warranty. Thanks for saving me the trouble of doing this myself!
I am not surprised with Apple's way and choice of applying thermal paste. I work in Apple Certified Repair center and new 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro machines are all having GPU overheating problems after less than a year of use. And guess why? Thermalpaste. I applied Thermal Grizzly paste on my machine, but due to Apple Certification I am not allowed to apply a 3rd party paste to our clients. Here you go…
Mark Wolf If you are talking about hardware this powerful in a form factor like this then sure, but I don't know about anything thermal throttling, and melting down, as you can get some really good small form factor Intel i3/i5 Asus Chrome boxes that will handle the work loads of 80 - 90% of the planet who are not gamers, and/or content creators, that stay cool enough, and don't thermal throttle. Also look at phones I have a Moto G5 + with an Ocotocore CPU, and 4GB of ram that stays cool in my pocket all day long, and even after gaming on it with a heavy game like GTA, or even Fortnite(only tried it a few times to see if I like it, but not my thing) it barely gets warm. the only time I've had it get hotter then I like is when using the included turbo charger, which I rarely use.
ev3rest isn’t that planned obsolescence and illegal? And what about the thermal paste used in the Mid-2015 MacbookPro11.5 Dual Graphics? Did you ever had to replace it in those models?
@ LPMusicON If all VRM phases turned on it could handle 18 cores, but if you running application that using less cores - for efficiency reasonable to turne some of them off, and that where we got problem with high mhz CPU. Also i belive 18 cores got less base frequency and less agressive boost.
If the VRM's don't handle a 300mhz upgrade then they are allready stretched pretty thin as is. VRM's should allways handle way more than what a processor can draw under extreme overclocking, because if one of them fail both mobo and gpu are dead instantly. Cooling is the main fault of vrm's, if they reach 120c they will wear out insanely fast. The vrm's on my old Gigabyte 990fxa UD3 was designed for 220w tdp yet i pushed them far beyond that for allmost 5 years before i upgraded to ryzen, they are still going strong but now at base clock on the cpu as it's being used as a mediacenter.
9:06 I always believed the rumors online to 'blur your serial number', but was it all lies? Can anyone actually do anything with it? Let me know your thoughts!
Good question. I don't think you can get very far-especially on an Apple product when it's tied to an iCloud account that not even Apple can access. I've never had issues, but don't take my word for it. lol.
Yes you should blur your serial. People can set up a Hackintosh with his serial number, or even change it on a real Mac. If too many different computers report the same serial things like iMessage, iCloud, etc can be blocked by Apple for obvious reasons. A normal person shouldn't worry much about it but a UA-camr should, lots of trolls on the webz... The price of fame i guess.
This proves Linus is team was incompetent. Many people has posted videos upgrading the RAM. You win so little doing the CPU updates (the price on of the iMAC pros is reasonable, as time is not free) that is not as many as you will like. If Apple pulls this kind of pricing with the nex "modular" Mac Pro it's going to be a hit, if and only if they fix the rest of the line, or remove it.
Let's assess certain characters in life: *"empty vessels make the most noise"* is what I was taught as a child, and this wisdom seems lost on many. Some people like to SHOUT AND SCREAM AND RANT... and some - Quinn - have a calm, rational, balanced and professional channel, and don't need to BLURT!
@Jaime Duncan: Linus's team dropped the big, unwieldy display on a screwdriver. Unfortunate, but accidents happen to everybody. The real incompetence is that no one at Apple or their associated repair shops can repair it despite Linus being willing to pay the full cost for an out-of-warranty repair.
I feel the need to clarify something about the thermal interface material; there are many different kinds of thermal interface materials and all has pros and cons. What you found inside your mac is most probably silicone base + some mineral oil + metal oxide(s) and its on the less viscous side of the scale if you compare it with stg like mx-4. I know that usually the less viscous the tim is, the better it conducts heat but you cant simply apply mx-4 to something that isn't supposed to be serviced, like ever. Less viscosity means the stuff will creep out to the sides in time (and heat cycling will only help it creep out faster) thus decreasing the cooling performance, that's when you see differences between individual core temperatures get increased. Too much thermal paste wont kill you unless its really really too much, or electrically conductive, your mounting pressure is bad, or all of the above. Of all the things they have done with that "workstation" the only right thing was the thermal paste. That cooler has a critical flaw; there is no way to get rid of the dust it accumlates in time and believe me it will and you'll learn what tjmax really means. You dont cram a workstation cpu into that tight of a space with that simple of a cooler. You definitely don't do that with a cpu with 140 degrees centrigrate of TDP. I dont know what you replaced that "garbage" with but if you -God forbid- used something like mx-4 you will see a very pleasant decrease in temperatures immediately, but it'll all go to hell in 2-3 months. Trust me.
I would've liked to have been a fly on the wall when you were filming that "sexy shower moves" B-roll. So I could have actually died laughing. Considering flys have very short and crappy lifespans, I think that would've been a nice way to spend my fly-life.
Happy to see you taking off once again (Or gaining back what you once had) Used to watch you all the time back in the day and was upset to see so few people return to watching you when you came back.
I'm pretty sure its heat. The TDP is just a guidline not a real life power rating. The reason the less than 18 core Xeon also has lower clocks is because they draw almost the same as the 18-core since they're clocked higher. So the reason for the B SKU is probably still heat and power. Lower bin chips aren't seperated by just a mere 300MHz.
You're quickly becoming one of my favourite tech channels. I'd be interested to see how "cheaply" you can build a Hackintosh that crushes the iMac Pro on the benchmarks. Again, not a PC, a Hackintosh. Keep up the good work!
just a heads up for people considering dashlane, it suffers from memory leaks. I have used dashlane for more than a year now and it has had memory leaks all the time. Normally the memory usage stays below 200MB but the memory usage keeps increasing without reason, occasionally pushing the memory usage well over 500MB.
Wow this was a great video! I do however disagree with your assessment that you can build a PC that can “smoke this thing”, full stop. The full spec of this, with an 18-core Xeon and Vega 64 (technically the Vega Frontier “64X” with 16 GB RAM, which was a measurable gain over the standard Vega 64) was more powerful than even some of the best PC builds of its time. The only way you could match the performance of this (let ALONE exceed it) would be if you spent LUDICROUS amounts of money… like as in, double the iMac Pro’s cost. And even then, you certainly weren’t leaving it in the dust or anything. In terms of raw performance it’s still a beast to this very day.
Lol. This almost seems like a troll on Linus. You were able to mod it, and put it back together without breaking it, AND still advertise that you shouldn’t do what you did because of the tiny benefits over voiding warranty.
That money you save by getting the system wholesale is made up for whenever you need to take it in for servicing. As long as it isn't a board swap, if it takes more than five minutes to switch out a defective part, you're doing something wrong. (CPU is going to take more, since you need to clean the heatsink and apply an adequate amount of thermal paste, but not that much more than slotting a part in)
@D-One the sad part (or the joke, depending on your point of view) is that Apple will have to give out new ones for replacements because they cannot repair any damaged ones. The incompetence of such a thing...
The difference in the PC is that you aren't tied to an evil company for repairs. Any part broke, just enter newegg or amazon and buy a replacement part, for every single part that you have in your build.
That hard thermal paste goes on liquid and cures to the hard consistency. It's designed to last a lot longer than other thermal pastes like arctic silver. Makes sense considering they basically expect you never to open the machine ever.
Would not surprise me if they did, and they could do it via software, or their custom BIOS if they wanted too, or just go with a BGA package chip which are found in laptops, phones, gaming consoles, etc.. Also lets remember it's been rumored Apple is looking to replace Intel for their own CPU designs so they can do releases on their own schedule, and not when Intel decides to release a new product that fits their needs, and agrees to ship it too them.
Given that this is the same x299 platform they're using for their servers and enthusiast desktops it's unlikely they would go with a BGA model. Others sure, you can buy lots of mitx and a few matx boards that have soldered CPUs complete with heatsinks for cheap.
He's also running the risk of overworking and dammaging the PSU depending on the increase in current draw. That large of a ram increase will contribute significantly to the load.
Your content is great! I listen to the opinion of a lot of UA-camrs and I think "wow, how can someone even think like that", but everything you say makes sense. Its a breath of fresh air to see that some people actually do think logically and i'm not crazy. Plus I love how you like to have fun in your videos, it makes everything easy to watch. Overall, great stuff! Subbed!
TDP does not necessarily say how much heat it produces. A difference in clock speed usually indicates a difference in Voltage which DOES determine the heat the CPU outputs. So yes. The lower clockspeed is most likely a heat issue. Of course testing will have the final word but that's what this looks like to me.
If you need an iMac Pro, you need an iMac Pro. If you don't, you don't. It's a very niche machine for a very niche market, but if you're in a professional production environment that uses Final Cut Pro, there is genuinely no other option.
Snazzy Labs I understand that. Then I'd just buy an imac pro. It's just the spec for spec argument makes no sense. If I want the best, I build the best. If I want a 5000 dollar PC, I'll build to that budget using the best parts available. If I want an imac pro, I'm not going to build a clone, I'll just buy an imac pro.
Demonslayer20111 My underlying point is that the hardware choice, while odd for a video editor like me, is viewed as important in other fields where stuff like ECC memory is required. I'm just sick of the perogative that iMac Pro is "OMG $5K, wHaT a RIP OFF" when, in reality, it's actually competitively priced compared to similarly specced hardware.
I'm far from a apple guy but I do like your videos. You do a good job of presenting why anybody would buy this and its you taking them apart in a honest fashion
If I were building a high-performance workstation and it had to be x86, I'm sure I'd go with Threadripper. Big savings, massive multicore performance. Naturally it would run Linux, not Windoze, if at all possible, and that is increasingly possible these days.
You're damn right that Threadripper would be the way to go. Let's see what the Threadripper 2 32-core monster costs when it comes ot market. It's already forced Intel to announce that the highend server skews with up to 28 cores will be coming to the consumer market, where Intel will be getting a fraction of the price compared to selling them as xeon platinum.
Snazzy Labs That's pretty amazing honestly. I just imagine having that much power crammed in such a tight space will wear out faster due to heat. But, you have one, and I don't. And I trust ya!
GregHousePpTh The 18 core would be significantly better in some workloads, but worse in others. The reason he chose the 10 core was because it offers a relatively balanced performance and has good price/performance.
The 10% performance improvement is completely down to the 10% higher clock speed. This also exposes that the 14-core iMacPro is running even slower clock speeds that the 10-core. I am also curious what the real price difference is between the W-2150B and the W-2155 considering that anything branded specifically for Mac is typically 20-30% higher priced. In a general search I couldn't find any price data on the W-2150B though you can bet that Apple is paying far less per unit than even the largest suppliers are paying for the non-B versions.
I just bought the iMac Pro 27" 5K 2017 model (Bought New Mid-Aug 2020) with Intel Xeon W 2.3 GHz 18-Core (Turbo Boost up to 4.3GHz 42.75MB cache), 256 GB of RAM, 1 TB SDD, and Radeon Pro Vega 64X 16 GB for $3,799.
Hmm. Well $5 is $5. But I'm curious what kind of replacement tim did you use after removing the old junk? Also. What kind of improvements could be had if you used say, liquid metal and delidded the cpu? Not to give you any bad ideas, but I'd like to see how much the fan curve would settle down for what kind of preformance gains.
I do disagree with the while that maybe true is doesn't change the fact part when your talking about like for like pc's and bit at around 1 min in. yes technically it does not change the fact but no one can say a 320x240 (240p) 40 inch screen for £300 is of good value just because no one else manufactures them so you can't get them cheaper else where. sorry its a bad argument its of good value as that specific thing cost the same in parts but for a fraction of the cost you can get something better ... how is that a argument. . the question should be what is the best option for you and whats the best value for money sorry to say it 95+% of the time imo its not a mac for most people
mkbmainpc I used to buy XEON + ECC RAM for a reliable PC. Expensive but worth it for less crashing. That was before Wall Street banks crashed the economy.
Even though sure, I'm a PC enthusiast I am still amazed that you took the risk to gut your Pro and upgrade it ;). Funny and informative video for sure, regardless of which side of the ecosystem you prefer. Glad to see it runs much better for you now.
Still can't understand why someone would pay so much for a iMac Pro. Or any apple computer for that matter. As everyone always says. You can build a PC that is faster for a fraction of the cost.
@@LifebyMarce Why build something similar for a higher cost when you can build something better for a lower cost. The arguement that making a copy is costlier when there is a better option is just a weak arguement.
@@LifebyMarce If you bothered to read the original comment that you replied to you have literally entered into a PC vs Mac arguement and lets be honest even Snazzy cleared up this very arguement in the video stating that his very own arguement regarding mac price was weak if not for the fact that he got it on sale.
Great video @Snazzy Labs, it must be a grate adventure to do that. I have a 2014 15" MBPr that still runs great but I would like to have the courage to open and replace the thermal paste lol. I don't feel comfortable opening that laptop even though is starting to run pretty hot. Keep up the great work!
+Han Aral Don't worry, it was just a joke! I'm typing this comment on an iPad right now. I'm not the biggest fan of all of their products (I have a Galaxy phone) but I have nothing against Apple. Cheers!
+Han Aral I'm not sure if you're referring to my phone or iPad... I have the Galaxy S8, and the iPad Air 2. I used to have an iPhone (My last one was the 6) but I just fell out of love with them. No worries!
Your pcbuild vs the iMac Pro cost analysis was a joke. Did you look to find the most expensive stuff out there? I just specced a computer that was better with 2 screens and it was a little over $4000 that included 2 high end video cards, dual CPUs and a full liquid cooling system. I will say though, the inside of that machine does look very pretty.... besides their insane amount of thermal... I won’t even call it paste... that’s like thermal cement.
What screens did you use for your comparison? Because say what you will about Apple, they put some really good screens in their devices. Matching that ain't cheap. edit: And I'll bet you whatever you came up with isn't ECC capable.
It requires more than just the board. Keep in mind that ECC memory is more expensive than non-ECC, so there's a fairly good chance he cheaped out when trying to stick to his $4K figure.
To be fair intel socket scheme is confusing the heck out of newegg(it wont show c422 xeon boards apart from the gigabyte board shown above even though they are available and sold by them) also an equivalent 5k screen (covers at least P3 colour space) is expensive that building a one is one equivalent imac is not much cheaper than the $4999 asking price PowerColor Radeon RX VEGA 56 NANO 8GBHBM2 $ 449.99 INTEL XEON W-2145 (Price based on Intel ARK unavailable on newegg ) $1,113.00 ($1,252.69 cheapest on AvaDirect) Crucial 4GB ECC Registered DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) CT4G4RFS8266 $76.14*4 $ 304.56 Supermicro MBD-X11SRM-F-B $ 255.99 LG UltraFine 27MD5KB-B Black 27" 5K WFHD IPS LED Monitor $1,299.99 SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2 2280 1TB MZ-V7P1T0E $ 529.99 Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Series PH-ES515PTG_BK $ 94.16 Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-1000FX 1000W (supermicro uses a 900w PSU) $ 149.81 Corsair Hydro Series H110i 280mm CW-9060026-WW $ 112.99 ASUS XG-C100C 10G Network Adapter(same chipset as on the imac) $ 98.59 Apple Wireless Magic Keyboard 2-MLA22LL/A A1644 $ 67.98 Apple Magic Mouse 2 Model MLA02LL/A $ 75.00 ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC (same chipset as on the imac) $ 79.99 Total:$4,632.04/($4,771.73) or Without the thunderbolt functionality $4,552.05 ($4,691.74) the $4k imac though is still a steal (provided you are going to primarily use OSX and do professional video editing)
Which normal person will go for ECC(2666mhz normal timing) instead of buying +4000mhz low timing kit for like the same price per GB and get memory transfer speed over 50GB/s
Not a fan of macs due to the silly pricing, little to no support and limited upgrade ability but you surprised me. I'd be interested in seeing you upgrade a lower spec mac if possible of course.
So, i watched whole video, now can I comment why building PC seems better to me? So its not only about specs, and yeah, true, valuable thing in mac seems to be screen, you can still get full setup with higher raw performance, im not looking at wonky apple-only cpu's becouse I personally treat such thing as one huge anticustomer ripoff, but meh, whatever. Comparing raw juice per buck, you van comfortably have ~4000$ for 4k (or 5k? Whats that standard? Thats the trick, you cannot compare 4k to 5k, huh? Truth is, its 5k for this purpose. To make comparing harder. You wont tell me that its consumer friendly). Anyway, yeah, you can get some better raw juice per buck, but where is that awesome apple service? Well, that service is beeing lack of service. Their service is ripoff, when with your own build, you can easly upgrade, replace parts at will! And nobody will void your warranty (unless you overclock or delid or so) for your modifications. When you send your lets say GPU for warranty, you have whole machine still working, at your service, working on integrated gpu, or old gpu you had in drawer. Apple will charge you unreasonable prices for service, when its been confirmed numerous times they give for example 'refub' mobos instead of new ones, when there is even no need for that! And most precious thing in your computer, the data... Well, say godbye. In PC, except few minor laptops you can plug in and out storage, so even if your mobo goes bad, you have your data. Another thing. Did apple need raid 0 to crank the reads to 3 gigs? Why my non-raid nvme ssd reads out over 4 gigs? Its not a thing nowadays that is top of the line. If I wanted I could make insane raid array for 8.5 gigs of read and around 7.2 gig of write. But who uses raid0, when you can have raid 10 and not risk your data go bad.... Okay, whatever, my point is, that you are making mistake by saying 'you cannot compare raw horse power, this is apple cpu!' And if that change in price seems minor, think about servicability, how your data is safe and prone to random f**kup and how screwed can one get by smallest issue with their expensive as living hell computer. Btw, my setup cost me around 2.500$, and only thing I have worse is RAM ammount and screen (4k not 5k, while I dont even think it is a valid argument)
Why am I so fascinated by this kind of stuff. I don't own an iMac Pro (nor would I ever) but I loved watching these upgrade videos he does. Great stuff.
my guess is that when these imacs get older they will be a super popular purchase second hand; with the intent to do maxed out upgrades. this doesnt make too much sense to attempt right now though. however id love to see if better thermals are achieved just by swapping out that taffy-for-thermal-paste solution they put on in the factory.
I am floored by the factory install of the substandard thermal paste, and the thermal paste being smeared ON THE CPU UNDERSIDE!! Sloppy work by the factory that assembled it. That alone would some day have me disassemble my iMac just to replace the thermal paste when it comes time to upgrade it. Great video. Keep up the good work. :)
The Skylake W series chipset supports 512Gb of LR DIMMs. Since you have been blessed by the network gods you should try installing four 128Gb ECC LR DIMMs just because you can.
So... I am about to upgrade a used Dell T5820 workstation from its original 4 core Xeson W-2123 CPU to the Xeon W-2140B-- Yep, the same model CPU that came with the base model iMac Pro. Got mine on eBay for $175 plus tax. Seems to be plenty of them at about this price on eBay (and the W-2150B for $100 more than that) perhaps because all the people doing DIY upgrades on their iMac Pros?
Fun fact #1: No matter how many cores you put in this Imac Pro, you will never have Intel Integrated QuickSync H264 hardware encoding/decoding, because that's only available on consumer CPU's like the 8700K. Why this matters? Fun fact #2: The latest Adobe Premiere adds support for this hardware encoding/decoding and can use your CPU, your GPU and the Integrated-GPU with hardware encoding all at the same time during playback AND rendering. HUGE performance gain! This is essentially making the Xeon line of CPU's (and this multi thousand dollar Imac) instantly outdated for this type of work.
So since you can swap out the SSDs with those from other iMac Pros (using configurator on another Mac), and since the iMac Pro SSDs can be put into a Mac Pro, does that mean you can out Apple's new SSD upgrades for Mac Pro (which look identical and seem to have the same connectors), into an iMac Pro? It would be nice to make an 8Tb SSD iMac Pro.
the prices of these refurbed models are pretty good today .. can the Wifi or Bluetooth modules be updated to an AX? ... or is it hard wired on these iMac Pros? and given the option of buying a refurbed iMac Pro vs the new M1 24" ... which would be the best choice, comparing the two models
The recommended way of installing the display is to install the adhesive strips, but not peel them. Then you dry fit the display, put a wide band of strong masking tape between the bottom of the display and the aluminum case. You then lean the display out, with the tape holding it in place, peel the strips, and then tip it back in. Does make it a lot easier.
I've learned that my 2011 imac 27" i5 2400 was so slow, not due the ram or SSD. But simply the CPU was downclocked due thermal throttling. So now I've got a Gigabyte mainboard with an 4590 i5. With a huge cooler on the cpu. This thing never thermal throttles, can punch on this cpu with 100% load, and still get Illustrator or Photoshop work done. And with only 16gb ram (instead of my iMac where 32gb is put in) it is in all areas faster and responsive. Basically the iMac is a supercar with the front grille (air inlet) taped shut... WHAT GOOD is all that performance hardware when it cannot be cooled properly???
Well what if you try to apply the VESA mount again and a screw breaks, Apple wouldn't fix your computed even if the upgrade you just did is 100% unrelated, right?
In my opinion if you're going to take apart a expensive Imac you might as well stack some bubble wrap in front of the imac in case you accidentally drop it like what happened to linus imac
I wonder if those performance gains compared to the Apple built computers are because of the thermal paste being better? Or is it the slightly higher clock speed? I wonder how just changing the thermal paste would affect the Apple factory built one.
I'm sure someone said it already, but idk if you know, but in the U.S. it's illegal to deny warranty unless your actions/modifications caused the damage that you're trying to get covered under warranty. And the onus is on the manufacturer, not on the owner.
This is one of the coolest and craziest things I have seen in years. CRAZY! but it made me smile and cheer. Just found this channel and have already subscribed. Thanks for dealing for me something I will probably never do for myself 😓
The imac pro is cheaper until you need to fix it. Last time my PC stopped working, I ended up spending $60 on a new stick of RAM. Before that, it was $10 on thermal paste. And both fixes took me less than 10 minutes. With little to no risk of damaging anything or hurting myself (ie. no lcd panel removal and no exposed power supply). Apple probably would have charged me for a completely new logic board both times if Linus' experience is anything to go by.
The table in 3:03 lists Apple update cost as "18-core", not "10 core." I am sure most people knew what you meant, but for those, like me, who scrubbed through the video to find the update-cost chart, this can be confusing.
Since both CPUs have the same single core boost clock, the 'B' cpu in your friends unit and the 'non-B' cpu in yours, you have to wonder if the thermal dissipation of the OEM thermal paste is actually that bad. Maybe you should de-lid the 8 core and retest.
Great video, I'm wondering if you have seen any of the thermal throttling that's been occurring on the stock iMac Pros people have been complaining about after the upgrade? A nice add to this would've been seeing exactly which thermal paste you used (and show how you apply it so it's not excessive). I've given up on Apple after 18 years and will opt for workstation mid-tower with 4k display, tired of the severe price gouging. For laptops the latest high end 15" competitors are killing it with price and performance- comparatively. Thanks again for the excellent info.
Was shocked at the dollar figures. The most money I've spent on a computer was $3000 in 2004, and that got me a machine that ran Doom 3, on a top of the line graphics card, and included a 5.1 surround system and a 1600x1200 capable, up to 170Hz monitor. Your figures are just too many dollars already... Since what you get is a PC that excels only at video rendering... *BUT* I think this is one of your best videos to date. Top, top stuff!
4:41 if you don't want to know the method to my madness and just want to skip to the disassembly.
NOTE: at 3:01, that's the 10-core upgrade price not 18-core. That's a 4AM error.
Keep it in mind , intel and to some extent AMD pull there TDP figures out of there arse.
It's okay, Quinn. I still love the video. Great work! :D
Snazzy Labs kinda unfair to include $130 in mouse and keyboard in the imac pro comparable build when a $20 biglots mouse keyboard combo is as good as the shitty ones apple gives you and if you want mechanical the redragon kumara is $30 and the logitech g300s gaming mouse is $20. And to be honest at that point id pay the extra $50 to use windows 10 and if you really want to work with mac os you get the option to dual boot.
Having more ram is never overkill specially if your dealing with video and pdf files the more the better. Custom PC can be more expensive but one benefit to it is SLI, more power on PSU and better cooling.
It is why they call you fanboys, all that sexy LOL.. You do not understand why they use crappy thermal paste? how are they going to sell you new computer if it does not fail. I am not anti Mac but it is typical of todays manufacturing where nothing lasts so they can sell you another in a few years.
Hahahahaha he said "voiding the warranty"... On an imac pro... What warranty?
The one included with the machine that promises Apple will break your computer for free.
bilos1993 The Same excellent support as he got for the vesa support
the warranty that cannot be voided anymore by upgrading or opening ? LUL
Snazzy Labs still have to factor in gas money and travel time to the Genius Bar. DIY breaking at home is still more cost-effective.
True, True... Been there...
Yeah those "warranty void if removed" stickers are actually illegal in the USA via the Right to Repair laws so rip those things right off and tell Apple to talk to the FTC if they say anything about it.
Craig MacDaniel The one who holds the money has the power
Andrew Crews It might also be valid in countries with different repair legislation.
@Andrew Crews The warranty is *not* voided in this case. The act of opening a device (regardless of stickers) is not legally capable of voiding a warranty. This is what the written law states. It even says "Warrantors cannot require branded parts be used..." Meaning, you are free to modify the internal components as you wish and the warranty is still binding between the warrantor (company/provider) and consumer (purchasing entity.) The sticker is also not allowed to lie, the FTC sent out warnings about this since it is deceptive and suggests and illegal practice. You can lookup the "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act" and read the official legal bill if any of this is confusing. Wikipedia has a fairly good summarization though of the most important bits in simpler language.
@Andrew Crews I did not misunderstand anything. I also directly responded to the "sticker is allowed to lie" in my post. "The sticker is also not allowed to lie, the FTC sent out warnings about this since it is deceptive and suggests and illegal practice."
wait for real world? or just a law?
2016 - Linus Tech Tips: "But can it run crysis?"
2018 - Snazzy Lab: 8:50 "but can it boot?"
Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor I thought hack smith said that
Saved 5 bucks and made a killer video!
Lol Thanks Danny!! 😂
He can still sell the stock ram and the Xenon chip for a decent amount of money...
@@Lucianrider Quick question tho, who would want to buy the CPU from a _base model_ imac pro? You could probably get the regular version of that CPU for a similar price used and it would be slightly faster. The only reason I see is if you wanted to upgrade your imac pro with genuine imac pro parts, but then why would you want the lowest end CPU possible?
I love that you actually did this.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In life you need *someone* with some gumption and backbone to say "stuff the warranty, I need what I need"
The stuff we see once you opened the case like the issue with thermal paste is why people complain about quality control. The fact they don’t let us do these upgrades more easily despite the price and the fact that you can in fact upgrade begs the question of why they do make those options available
Immediately hit like after that 5:35 fiasco lol
What the... how'd THAT get there?!
Internet gold
Exactly the same here
You mean the FAPasco?
Same haha
Great to know! I can stick with my 10-core stock config, having spent $5 more, and lack about 7% performance but keep the warranty. Thanks for saving me the trouble of doing this myself!
Woah, rich guy Curtis with an extra $5. 😂Cheers! Keep up the killer work over on your channel.
I am not surprised with Apple's way and choice of applying thermal paste. I work in Apple Certified Repair center and new 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro machines are all having GPU overheating problems after less than a year of use. And guess why? Thermalpaste. I applied Thermal Grizzly paste on my machine, but due to Apple Certification I am not allowed to apply a 3rd party paste to our clients. Here you go…
Of course they are. You shove anything into small form factor it thermal throttles and melts down.
Mark Wolf If you are talking about hardware this powerful in a form factor like this then sure, but I don't know about anything thermal throttling, and melting down, as you can get some really good small form factor Intel i3/i5 Asus Chrome boxes that will handle the work loads of 80 - 90% of the planet who are not gamers, and/or content creators, that stay cool enough, and don't thermal throttle. Also look at phones I have a Moto G5 + with an Ocotocore CPU, and 4GB of ram that stays cool in my pocket all day long, and even after gaming on it with a heavy game like GTA, or even Fortnite(only tried it a few times to see if I like it, but not my thing) it barely gets warm. the only time I've had it get hotter then I like is when using the included turbo charger, which I rarely use.
@ev3rest I bet you have to suppress a wince every time you're forced to use Apple's thermal goop...
ev3rest isn’t that planned obsolescence and illegal? And what about the thermal paste used in the Mid-2015 MacbookPro11.5 Dual Graphics? Did you ever had to replace it in those models?
Overheating apple products:ONLY the new 2016/2017 MacBook Pro? Is that some sort of joke? :D
Dude the inside of that computer is beautiful. I almost wish it had a clear back
Almost?
@@ashwin.kalyan Probably because it sounds nice in theory, but in practice, it's unlikely that a clear back to a screen would give the desired view.
That was Steve’s philosophy, whether your eyes ever saw it or not, it was supposed to be beautiful.
Ah, that space grey trash can...
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Snazzy Labs
B - revision of intel 10 core CPU got 300 less mhz - that make it hammer VRM less. PSU not a problem here.
Can't believe I didn't think of this. You're more than certainly correct. VRM cooling on this machine is a joke by the way.
But iMac still can have 18c CPU? That makes 18c hammer VRM even more?
@
LPMusicON
If all VRM phases turned on it could handle 18 cores, but if you running application that using less cores - for efficiency reasonable to turne some of them off, and that where we got problem with high mhz CPU. Also i belive 18 cores got less base frequency and less agressive boost.
If the VRM's don't handle a 300mhz upgrade then they are allready stretched pretty thin as is.
VRM's should allways handle way more than what a processor can draw under extreme overclocking, because if one of them fail both mobo and gpu are dead instantly.
Cooling is the main fault of vrm's, if they reach 120c they will wear out insanely fast.
The vrm's on my old Gigabyte 990fxa UD3 was designed for 220w tdp yet i pushed them far beyond that for allmost 5 years before i upgraded to ryzen, they are still going strong but now at base clock on the cpu as it's being used as a mediacenter.
Does it? They both have the same maximum boost clock. Anyone know how the intermediate boost clocks pair up?
"never vesa mounted" - PRICELESS!!!
😉
9:06 I always believed the rumors online to 'blur your serial number', but was it all lies? Can anyone actually do anything with it? Let me know your thoughts!
Good question. I don't think you can get very far-especially on an Apple product when it's tied to an iCloud account that not even Apple can access. I've never had issues, but don't take my word for it. lol.
Yes you should blur your serial. People can set up a Hackintosh with his serial number, or even change it on a real Mac. If too many different computers report the same serial things like iMessage, iCloud, etc can be blocked by Apple for obvious reasons. A normal person shouldn't worry much about it but a UA-camr should, lots of trolls on the webz... The price of fame i guess.
Linus can tell you all about opening the iMac Pro haha
2:08. 😂
Snazzy Labs that clip makes me cringe so badly
This proves Linus is team was incompetent. Many people has posted videos upgrading the RAM. You win so little doing the CPU updates (the price on of the iMAC pros is reasonable, as time is not free) that is not as many as you will like. If Apple pulls this kind of pricing with the nex "modular" Mac Pro it's going to be a hit, if and only if they fix the rest of the line, or remove it.
Let's assess certain characters in life: *"empty vessels make the most noise"* is what I was taught as a child, and this wisdom seems lost on many. Some people like to SHOUT AND SCREAM AND RANT... and some - Quinn - have a calm, rational, balanced and professional channel, and don't need to BLURT!
@Jaime Duncan: Linus's team dropped the big, unwieldy display on a screwdriver. Unfortunate, but accidents happen to everybody. The real incompetence is that no one at Apple or their associated repair shops can repair it despite Linus being willing to pay the full cost for an out-of-warranty repair.
Has anyone ever asked Apple why they use such low quality thermal paste???
@Bobby Brady Also has anyone ever asked themselves the machines fly from China to USA for assembly?
@lenn55, and such crappy heatsinks. 🤦🏻♂️
It take a long time to get the large amount of thermal paste online.
The title could have been:"This men is hated by Apple discover why".
lol
jac hug no
“Apples hates him! See why and you will be SHOCKED!”
That would be brash, churlish and childish - that's not Quinn's bag, I think.
The joke
Your head
Apples hate this guy! You will be suprised why!
I feel the need to clarify something about the thermal interface material; there are many different kinds of thermal interface materials and all has pros and cons. What you found inside your mac is most probably silicone base + some mineral oil + metal oxide(s) and its on the less viscous side of the scale if you compare it with stg like mx-4. I know that usually the less viscous the tim is, the better it conducts heat but you cant simply apply mx-4 to something that isn't supposed to be serviced, like ever. Less viscosity means the stuff will creep out to the sides in time (and heat cycling will only help it creep out faster) thus decreasing the cooling performance, that's when you see differences between individual core temperatures get increased. Too much thermal paste wont kill you unless its really really too much, or electrically conductive, your mounting pressure is bad, or all of the above.
Of all the things they have done with that "workstation" the only right thing was the thermal paste. That cooler has a critical flaw; there is no way to get rid of the dust it accumlates in time and believe me it will and you'll learn what tjmax really means.
You dont cram a workstation cpu into that tight of a space with that simple of a cooler. You definitely don't do that with a cpu with 140 degrees centrigrate of TDP. I dont know what you replaced that "garbage" with but if you -God forbid- used something like mx-4 you will see a very pleasant decrease in temperatures immediately, but it'll all go to hell in 2-3 months. Trust me.
i9 x299 hackintosh please!
DragonKingGaav Yes plzzzz 👍👍
I third that request!
I might do this for my next system, if I decide to move back from Windows (unlikely).
Ohhh yaaasss
X5
I would've liked to have been a fly on the wall when you were filming that "sexy shower moves" B-roll. So I could have actually died laughing. Considering flys have very short and crappy lifespans, I think that would've been a nice way to spend my fly-life.
Fantastic video man! So well done!!
Happy to see you taking off once again (Or gaining back what you once had) Used to watch you all the time back in the day and was upset to see so few people return to watching you when you came back.
Were you able to improve temps after using your own thermal paste?
I'm pretty sure its heat. The TDP is just a guidline not a real life power rating. The reason the less than 18 core Xeon also has lower clocks is because they draw almost the same as the 18-core since they're clocked higher. So the reason for the B SKU is probably still heat and power. Lower bin chips aren't seperated by just a mere 300MHz.
5:36 Quinn is so hot he needs cooling!
Blower-style.
Snazzy Labs custom loop
water cooling
vapor chamber cooling or even better steam cooling
Somebody needs to GIF that ASAP
You're quickly becoming one of my favourite tech channels. I'd be interested to see how "cheaply" you can build a Hackintosh that crushes the iMac Pro on the benchmarks. Again, not a PC, a Hackintosh. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much, Oskar! I’ll keep that hackintosh build in mind.
"but i nailed that install" lmfao
just a heads up for people considering dashlane, it suffers from memory leaks. I have used dashlane for more than a year now and it has had memory leaks all the time. Normally the memory usage stays below 200MB but the memory usage keeps increasing without reason, occasionally pushing the memory usage well over 500MB.
You saved $5, now the real question is what are you going to spend it on?
The Collector can i has lolipop
I don't know, but a special decision like this doesn't come around often and I'm going to have to spend it wisely.
but do not spend everything at once
Thermal paste :-)
The money he saved was spent on the time he spent.
Wow this was a great video!
I do however disagree with your assessment that you can build a PC that can “smoke this thing”, full stop. The full spec of this, with an 18-core Xeon and Vega 64 (technically the Vega Frontier “64X” with 16 GB RAM, which was a measurable gain over the standard Vega 64) was more powerful than even some of the best PC builds of its time. The only way you could match the performance of this (let ALONE exceed it) would be if you spent LUDICROUS amounts of money… like as in, double the iMac Pro’s cost. And even then, you certainly weren’t leaving it in the dust or anything. In terms of raw performance it’s still a beast to this very day.
Lol. This almost seems like a troll on Linus. You were able to mod it, and put it back together without breaking it, AND still advertise that you shouldn’t do what you did because of the tiny benefits over voiding warranty.
Your words, not mine. 😂
apple = butt h*&e
That money you save by getting the system wholesale is made up for whenever you need to take it in for servicing. As long as it isn't a board swap, if it takes more than five minutes to switch out a defective part, you're doing something wrong. (CPU is going to take more, since you need to clean the heatsink and apply an adequate amount of thermal paste, but not that much more than slotting a part in)
Why not void the warranty even according to your videos, Apple does not know how to repair these computers anyway so the warranty is a bit useless
Simple. Because if it doesn't break because of user error Apple is forced to give you a new one if it breaks.
D-One yes I get that I think you missed the underlying point of my comment, it was more a joke than anything
Oh.. My bad then :D
@D-One the sad part (or the joke, depending on your point of view) is that Apple will have to give out new ones for replacements because they cannot repair any damaged ones. The incompetence of such a thing...
Steamrick exactly it's all a big joke and yes that is sad
Your videos are so much better now than when I first watched you.
The difference in the PC is that you aren't tied to an evil company for repairs.
Any part broke, just enter newegg or amazon and buy a replacement part, for every single part that you have in your build.
You can also just take your iMac to the store and they'll fix it, but I get your point.
Unless its a screen😉
Also having a separate display for a normal pc means that you can sell/upgrade everything else in any cofig amd/intel and keep the same display
Snazzy Labs They'll replace it, not fix it.
We will have to decline cause the guy wasn't trained to service that. Sorry.
That hard thermal paste goes on liquid and cures to the hard consistency. It's designed to last a lot longer than other thermal pastes like arctic silver. Makes sense considering they basically expect you never to open the machine ever.
i can see Apple releasing an update which disables any Mac if any processor changes made.............
It's not worth the work or effort for like the 1 person on planet Earth that is weird enough to do this. lol
prob they are going to solder processors with a shiity solder to save money on a $3000 computer
Would not surprise me if they did, and they could do it via software, or their custom BIOS if they wanted too, or just go with a BGA package chip which are found in laptops, phones, gaming consoles, etc.. Also lets remember it's been rumored Apple is looking to replace Intel for their own CPU designs so they can do releases on their own schedule, and not when Intel decides to release a new product that fits their needs, and agrees to ship it too them.
Given that this is the same x299 platform they're using for their servers and enthusiast desktops it's unlikely they would go with a BGA model. Others sure, you can buy lots of mitx and a few matx boards that have soldered CPUs complete with heatsinks for cheap.
He's also running the risk of overworking and dammaging the PSU depending on the increase in current draw. That large of a ram increase will contribute significantly to the load.
Your content is great! I listen to the opinion of a lot of UA-camrs and I think "wow, how can someone even think like that", but everything you say makes sense. Its a breath of fresh air to see that some people actually do think logically and i'm not crazy. Plus I love how you like to have fun in your videos, it makes everything easy to watch. Overall, great stuff! Subbed!
Thanks so much! Welcome to the channel!!
User replaced CPU and RAM?
"OMG HE TURNED IT INTO A PC IT'S A COUNTERFEIT IMAC"
TDP does not necessarily say how much heat it produces. A difference in clock speed usually indicates a difference in Voltage which DOES determine the heat the CPU outputs. So yes. The lower clockspeed is most likely a heat issue. Of course testing will have the final word but that's what this looks like to me.
Won't get it replaced if it breaks anyways. So what's the problem?
One of the few quality and original channels on youtube
But why the hell would I build spec for spec, if I can build better for cheaper that makes no sense
If you need an iMac Pro, you need an iMac Pro. If you don't, you don't. It's a very niche machine for a very niche market, but if you're in a professional production environment that uses Final Cut Pro, there is genuinely no other option.
Snazzy Labs nice vid man! What did you use for replacement thermal paste?
Snazzy Labs I understand that. Then I'd just buy an imac pro. It's just the spec for spec argument makes no sense. If I want the best, I build the best. If I want a 5000 dollar PC, I'll build to that budget using the best parts available. If I want an imac pro, I'm not going to build a clone, I'll just buy an imac pro.
Enjoyed_Tek Cheap Arctic MX-2.
Demonslayer20111 My underlying point is that the hardware choice, while odd for a video editor like me, is viewed as important in other fields where stuff like ECC memory is required. I'm just sick of the perogative that iMac Pro is "OMG $5K, wHaT a RIP OFF" when, in reality, it's actually competitively priced compared to similarly specced hardware.
I'm far from a apple guy but I do like your videos. You do a good job of presenting why anybody would buy this and its you taking them apart in a honest fashion
Cheers, Drew!
If I were building a high-performance workstation and it had to be x86, I'm sure I'd go with Threadripper. Big savings, massive multicore performance. Naturally it would run Linux, not Windoze, if at all possible, and that is increasingly possible these days.
don't you mean x64? threadripper isn't x86
You're damn right that Threadripper would be the way to go. Let's see what the Threadripper 2 32-core monster costs when it comes ot market. It's already forced Intel to announce that the highend server skews with up to 28 cores will be coming to the consumer market, where Intel will be getting a fraction of the price compared to selling them as xeon platinum.
for a windows/linux machine yes
If it *had* to be x86? What do you usually use, ARM?
Блядь Россия This is AMD CPU, not ATI GPU.
Great video... Fun fact though. A comparably priced PC will not have as many heat issues as these imacs will. But, it is impressive looking hardware.
To be fair, this machine doesn't get hot enough to throttle.
Snazzy Labs That's pretty amazing honestly. I just imagine having that much power crammed in such a tight space will wear out faster due to heat. But, you have one, and I don't. And I trust ya!
Kinda disappointed you didn't go full 18 core.... But still amazing.
Why? not complaining, just wanting to know.
GregHousePpTh
The 18 core would be significantly better in some workloads, but worse in others.
The reason he chose the 10 core was because it offers a relatively balanced performance and has good price/performance.
GregHousePpTh
No real performance gain? You'd have to be seriously thermally limited for that to be the case.
The 10% performance improvement is completely down to the 10% higher clock speed. This also exposes that the 14-core iMacPro is running even slower clock speeds that the 10-core.
I am also curious what the real price difference is between the W-2150B and the W-2155 considering that anything branded specifically for Mac is typically 20-30% higher priced. In a general search I couldn't find any price data on the W-2150B though you can bet that Apple is paying far less per unit than even the largest suppliers are paying for the non-B versions.
No doubt. Especially considering Apple's economies of scale. Even with relatively low volume on this particular SKU.
I love your videos. A kid's dream with expensive computer toys :)
Thanks for watching! :D
thank you for making these awesome videos :)
Such a great video. You definitely push the limits of of upgrading an iMac. That thermal paste thought...wow!!
5:35 freaking hilarious
I just bought the iMac Pro 27" 5K 2017 model (Bought New Mid-Aug 2020) with Intel Xeon W 2.3 GHz 18-Core (Turbo Boost up to 4.3GHz 42.75MB cache), 256 GB of RAM, 1 TB SDD, and Radeon Pro Vega 64X 16 GB for $3,799.
10:34 Apple Replaced My iMac Pro. I'm Still Mad music
Hmm. Well $5 is $5. But I'm curious what kind of replacement tim did you use after removing the old junk? Also. What kind of improvements could be had if you used say, liquid metal and delidded the cpu?
Not to give you any bad ideas, but I'd like to see how much the fan curve would settle down for what kind of preformance gains.
I do disagree with the while that maybe true is doesn't change the fact part when your talking about like for like pc's and bit at around 1 min in. yes technically it does not change the fact but no one can say a 320x240 (240p) 40 inch screen for £300 is of good value just because no one else manufactures them so you can't get them cheaper else where. sorry its a bad argument its of good value as that specific thing cost the same in parts but for a fraction of the cost you can get something better ... how is that a argument.
. the question should be what is the best option for you and whats the best value for money sorry to say it 95+% of the time imo its not a mac for most people
mkbmainpc I used to buy XEON + ECC RAM for a reliable PC. Expensive but worth it for less crashing. That was before Wall Street banks crashed the economy.
Even though sure, I'm a PC enthusiast I am still amazed that you took the risk to gut your Pro and upgrade it ;). Funny and informative video for sure, regardless of which side of the ecosystem you prefer. Glad to see it runs much better for you now.
Still can't understand why someone would pay so much for a iMac Pro. Or any apple computer for that matter. As everyone always says. You can build a PC that is faster for a fraction of the cost.
@@LifebyMarce Why build something similar for a higher cost when you can build something better for a lower cost. The arguement that making a copy is costlier when there is a better option is just a weak arguement.
@@LifebyMarce If you bothered to read the original comment that you replied to you have literally entered into a PC vs Mac arguement and lets be honest even Snazzy cleared up this very arguement in the video stating that his very own arguement regarding mac price was weak if not for the fact that he got it on sale.
He wants to work on osx and not on a hackintosh
Great video @Snazzy Labs, it must be a grate adventure to do that. I have a 2014 15" MBPr that still runs great but I would like to have the courage to open and replace the thermal paste lol. I don't feel comfortable opening that laptop even though is starting to run pretty hot. Keep up the great work!
I haven't been this early since Apple cared about their customers...
Ah, the early days of UA-cam!
Han Aral my Fitbit did the same thing, it's just a smart watch feature.stop being delusional
+Han Aral Don't worry, it was just a joke! I'm typing this comment on an iPad right now. I'm not the biggest fan of all of their products (I have a Galaxy phone) but I have nothing against Apple.
Cheers!
Han Aral Facts don't care about your feelings. The fact is my 60 dollar smart watch counts steps and works on both iPhone and android
+Han Aral I'm not sure if you're referring to my phone or iPad... I have the Galaxy S8, and the iPad Air 2. I used to have an iPhone (My last one was the 6) but I just fell out of love with them. No worries!
Did the fresh thermal paste help the new CPU’s thermals at all?
Great video. Thank you!
Your pcbuild vs the iMac Pro cost analysis was a joke. Did you look to find the most expensive stuff out there? I just specced a computer that was better with 2 screens and it was a little over $4000 that included 2 high end video cards, dual CPUs and a full liquid cooling system.
I will say though, the inside of that machine does look very pretty.... besides their insane amount of thermal... I won’t even call it paste... that’s like thermal cement.
What screens did you use for your comparison? Because say what you will about Apple, they put some really good screens in their devices. Matching that ain't cheap. edit: And I'll bet you whatever you came up with isn't ECC capable.
how many dual CPU boards did you ever see without ECC memory support?
It requires more than just the board. Keep in mind that ECC memory is more expensive than non-ECC, so there's a fairly good chance he cheaped out when trying to stick to his $4K figure.
To be fair intel socket scheme is confusing the heck out of newegg(it wont show c422 xeon boards apart from the gigabyte board shown above even though they are available and sold by them) also an equivalent 5k screen (covers at least P3 colour space) is expensive that building a one is one equivalent imac is not much cheaper than the $4999 asking price
PowerColor Radeon RX VEGA 56 NANO 8GBHBM2 $ 449.99
INTEL XEON W-2145 (Price based on Intel ARK unavailable on newegg ) $1,113.00 ($1,252.69 cheapest on AvaDirect)
Crucial 4GB ECC Registered DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) CT4G4RFS8266 $76.14*4 $ 304.56
Supermicro MBD-X11SRM-F-B $ 255.99
LG UltraFine 27MD5KB-B Black 27" 5K WFHD IPS LED Monitor $1,299.99
SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2 2280 1TB MZ-V7P1T0E $ 529.99
Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Series PH-ES515PTG_BK $ 94.16
Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-1000FX 1000W (supermicro uses a 900w PSU) $ 149.81
Corsair Hydro Series H110i 280mm CW-9060026-WW $ 112.99
ASUS XG-C100C 10G Network Adapter(same chipset as on the imac) $ 98.59
Apple Wireless Magic Keyboard 2-MLA22LL/A A1644 $ 67.98
Apple Magic Mouse 2 Model MLA02LL/A $ 75.00
ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC (same chipset as on the imac) $ 79.99
Total:$4,632.04/($4,771.73) or
Without the thunderbolt functionality $4,552.05 ($4,691.74)
the $4k imac though is still a steal (provided you are going to primarily use OSX and do professional video editing)
Which normal person will go for ECC(2666mhz normal timing) instead of buying +4000mhz low timing kit for like the same price per GB and get memory transfer speed over 50GB/s
Right. With a PC I have to buy separately a high end Monitor. Whereas within an IMac it comes built in.
*lol ur $10k imac pro sux xd*
Not a fan of macs due to the silly pricing, little to no support and limited upgrade ability but you surprised me. I'd be interested in seeing you upgrade a lower spec mac if possible of course.
So, i watched whole video, now can I comment why building PC seems better to me?
So its not only about specs, and yeah, true, valuable thing in mac seems to be screen, you can still get full setup with higher raw performance, im not looking at wonky apple-only cpu's becouse I personally treat such thing as one huge anticustomer ripoff, but meh, whatever. Comparing raw juice per buck, you van comfortably have ~4000$ for 4k (or 5k? Whats that standard? Thats the trick, you cannot compare 4k to 5k, huh? Truth is, its 5k for this purpose. To make comparing harder. You wont tell me that its consumer friendly).
Anyway, yeah, you can get some better raw juice per buck, but where is that awesome apple service?
Well, that service is beeing lack of service. Their service is ripoff, when with your own build, you can easly upgrade, replace parts at will! And nobody will void your warranty (unless you overclock or delid or so) for your modifications. When you send your lets say GPU for warranty, you have whole machine still working, at your service, working on integrated gpu, or old gpu you had in drawer.
Apple will charge you unreasonable prices for service, when its been confirmed numerous times they give for example 'refub' mobos instead of new ones, when there is even no need for that!
And most precious thing in your computer, the data... Well, say godbye. In PC, except few minor laptops you can plug in and out storage, so even if your mobo goes bad, you have your data.
Another thing. Did apple need raid 0 to crank the reads to 3 gigs? Why my non-raid nvme ssd reads out over 4 gigs? Its not a thing nowadays that is top of the line. If I wanted I could make insane raid array for 8.5 gigs of read and around 7.2 gig of write. But who uses raid0, when you can have raid 10 and not risk your data go bad....
Okay, whatever, my point is, that you are making mistake by saying 'you cannot compare raw horse power, this is apple cpu!'
And if that change in price seems minor, think about servicability, how your data is safe and prone to random f**kup and how screwed can one get by smallest issue with their expensive as living hell computer.
Btw, my setup cost me around 2.500$, and only thing I have worse is RAM ammount and screen (4k not 5k, while I dont even think it is a valid argument)
Why am I so fascinated by this kind of stuff. I don't own an iMac Pro (nor would I ever) but I loved watching these upgrade videos he does. Great stuff.
Not sure how Snazzy is able to move around with balls of steel like that. Total madness! Love it! ❤️
lol cheers, Marco!
my guess is that when these imacs get older they will be a super popular purchase second hand; with the intent to do maxed out upgrades. this doesnt make too much sense to attempt right now though. however id love to see if better thermals are achieved just by swapping out that taffy-for-thermal-paste solution they put on in the factory.
I am floored by the factory install of the substandard thermal paste, and the thermal paste being smeared ON THE CPU UNDERSIDE!! Sloppy work by the factory that assembled it. That alone would some day have me disassemble my iMac just to replace the thermal paste when it comes time to upgrade it.
Great video. Keep up the good work. :)
I'm not so sure what I want more: the courage to open a 10K iMac Pro or having possibility (aka the money) to buy one. hahahahahahah
You didn't talk about temperatures after your upgrade. Hotter? Cooler? Which thermal paste did you use?
The Skylake W series chipset supports 512Gb of LR DIMMs. Since you have been blessed by the network gods you should try installing four 128Gb ECC LR DIMMs just because you can.
So... I am about to upgrade a used Dell T5820 workstation from its original 4 core Xeson W-2123 CPU to the Xeon W-2140B-- Yep, the same model CPU that came with the base model iMac Pro. Got mine on eBay for $175 plus tax. Seems to be plenty of them at about this price on eBay (and the W-2150B for $100 more than that) perhaps because all the people doing DIY upgrades on their iMac Pros?
Fun fact #1: No matter how many cores you put in this Imac Pro, you will never have Intel Integrated QuickSync H264 hardware encoding/decoding, because that's only available on consumer CPU's like the 8700K. Why this matters? Fun fact #2: The latest Adobe Premiere adds support for this hardware encoding/decoding and can use your CPU, your GPU and the Integrated-GPU with hardware encoding all at the same time during playback AND rendering. HUGE performance gain! This is essentially making the Xeon line of CPU's (and this multi thousand dollar Imac) instantly outdated for this type of work.
Depends on the codec. My camera records in ProRes so QuickSync is worthless to me.
Awesome video - it was hard not to feel sexy after the screen came off! What type of thermal compound/paste did you use after reassembly?
Good Uwe for the S8. I have a S8+, is a little bigher if you need.
So since you can swap out the SSDs with those from other iMac Pros (using configurator on another Mac), and since the iMac Pro SSDs can be put into a Mac Pro, does that mean you can out Apple's new SSD upgrades for Mac Pro (which look identical and seem to have the same connectors), into an iMac Pro? It would be nice to make an 8Tb SSD iMac Pro.
Snazzy, what about the temperature differences presuming you added a good thermal paste?
the prices of these refurbed models are pretty good today .. can the Wifi or Bluetooth modules be updated to an AX? ... or is it hard wired on these iMac Pros? and given the option of buying a refurbed iMac Pro vs the new M1 24" ... which would be the best choice, comparing the two models
The recommended way of installing the display is to install the adhesive strips, but not peel them. Then you dry fit the display, put a wide band of strong masking tape between the bottom of the display and the aluminum case. You then lean the display out, with the tape holding it in place, peel the strips, and then tip it back in. Does make it a lot easier.
I've learned that my 2011 imac 27" i5 2400 was so slow, not due the ram or SSD. But simply the CPU was downclocked due thermal throttling. So now I've got a Gigabyte mainboard with an 4590 i5. With a huge cooler on the cpu. This thing never thermal throttles, can punch on this cpu with 100% load, and still get Illustrator or Photoshop work done. And with only 16gb ram (instead of my iMac where 32gb is put in) it is in all areas faster and responsive. Basically the iMac is a supercar with the front grille (air inlet) taped shut... WHAT GOOD is all that performance hardware when it cannot be cooled properly???
Well what if you try to apply the VESA mount again and a screw breaks, Apple wouldn't fix your computed even if the upgrade you just did is 100% unrelated, right?
In my opinion if you're going to take apart a expensive Imac you might as well stack some bubble wrap in front of the imac in case you accidentally drop it like what happened to linus imac
I wonder if those performance gains compared to the Apple built computers are because of the thermal paste being better? Or is it the slightly higher clock speed? I wonder how just changing the thermal paste would affect the Apple factory built one.
I'm sure someone said it already, but idk if you know, but in the U.S. it's illegal to deny warranty unless your actions/modifications caused the damage that you're trying to get covered under warranty. And the onus is on the manufacturer, not on the owner.
Indeed! Hence the joke at the warranty void sticker. They're meaningless. Cheers! Thanks for watching.
great video fulfill all of my curiousity!!!! thanks alot man supporting you channel by not skipping your adds!!
Will you ever try an even more different CPU? Somenthing that fits in the socket but not something that is a variation of an officially supported CPU.
This is one of the coolest and craziest things I have seen in years. CRAZY! but it made me smile and cheer. Just found this channel and have already subscribed. Thanks for dealing for me something I will probably never do for myself 😓
Thanks so much, Richard! Welcome.
The imac pro is cheaper until you need to fix it. Last time my PC stopped working, I ended up spending $60 on a new stick of RAM. Before that, it was $10 on thermal paste. And both fixes took me less than 10 minutes. With little to no risk of damaging anything or hurting myself (ie. no lcd panel removal and no exposed power supply).
Apple probably would have charged me for a completely new logic board both times if Linus' experience is anything to go by.
thermalpaste after its' been heated when touched cold is generally quite tough/hard until heated again.
I was really hoping you'd try NVIDIA graphics, still awesome thought!
You did what LTT couldn't, disassemble a mac pro and put it back together. Nice work
The table in 3:03 lists Apple update cost as "18-core", not "10 core." I am sure most people knew what you meant, but for those, like me, who scrubbed through the video to find the update-cost chart, this can be confusing.
Since both CPUs have the same single core boost clock, the 'B' cpu in your friends unit and the 'non-B' cpu in yours, you have to wonder if the thermal dissipation of the OEM thermal paste is actually that bad.
Maybe you should de-lid the 8 core and retest.
Great video, I'm wondering if you have seen any of the thermal throttling that's been occurring on the stock iMac Pros people have been complaining about after the upgrade? A nice add to this would've been seeing exactly which thermal paste you used (and show how you apply it so it's not excessive). I've given up on Apple after 18 years and will opt for workstation mid-tower with 4k display, tired of the severe price gouging. For laptops the latest high end 15" competitors are killing it with price and performance- comparatively. Thanks again for the excellent info.
Agreed 100% on the point about the sexiness of the board. Always wondered that myself. They should make another transparent back plate
I've been subscribed for years and your videos have gotten better and better. I can tell you really love what you're doing. Keep up the great work
Quin, after skipping a few of your videos for a while(while still subscribed), I can see a big improvement in production and good comedy timing.
Thanks so much Josh. Hope to see you back for good! :D
Was shocked at the dollar figures. The most money I've spent on a computer was $3000 in 2004, and that got me a machine that ran Doom 3, on a top of the line graphics card, and included a 5.1 surround system and a 1600x1200 capable, up to 170Hz monitor. Your figures are just too many dollars already... Since what you get is a PC that excels only at video rendering... *BUT* I think this is one of your best videos to date. Top, top stuff!