Getting A Tech Job In 2023
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2023
- The market has changed a lot. I don't do a lot of early career content but I think the "theo way of doing things" is more applicable than ever right now.
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I quit my job 6 months ago as a data migration engineer to become a web dev. I spent 8-16 hours a day learning html, css, Javascript/Typescript, React, Nextjs, apis, and DBs.
I'm proud to say I was just hired last week as a web dev using a totally different stack.
@@yarpenzigrin1893 I did not like or either had a passion for it. Maybe it was because of the company but im happy with the decision I've made :)
@@yarpenzigrin1893 the real question is, who distinguishes between those jobs anymore. I started as plain C/C++ engineer and now im doing whatever is thrown at me. xD
Hey Noel, I'm in a similar situation, just no job yet. Are there any tips you can share to somebody 4 months in the process?
I lost my job as a data scientist. And i would like to do the same. How long did it take you ?
@Noel Vega
ME right now! 🙏
so basically finding a job is a battle royal now
always has been
before was, now Is like a war and what matters is your connections
it will continue to be as the number of outstanding CS/IT degrees increase over time
It will calm down. We're going into a major recession and it doesn't look like this will end anytime soon. But like all things, it will recover and the market will open back up again. You just have to focus on making cool apps in your own time and be prepared for when that time comes around again.
As sure as the sun will set, it will also rise once again.
@@hakametal that's what I'm focusing on right now. I live in Colombia and it seems like the SWD jobs that require English are still enough and not many applicants. I'm also planning to contribute to OSS, one I'm thinking is fast api, is a python backend framework for making apis, made by a Colombian and is widely used here. I'm gonna start by helping in the translation to spanish and the move up to code contributions
I've spent the last 3 months applying, getting to final stage interviews and being edged out by the competition - its brutal!
Same Louis. You are not alone.
Same here buddy. It's really rough, but I'm not giving up. Finishing my website with Astro now and working on my full-stack project of passion. Hopefully, interviewers will look at me more favorable now :D
yeah, unless you have a very great portfolio with high quality projects as a junior. if you don't have that, it's just pretty much impossible. your ultimate move would be your portfolio. if you don't know what a good portfolio be like, you'll never gonna make it out there.
@@adimardev1550 I can't speak for juniors, but seeing how difficult it is as a senior - I can't imagine how hard it is for juniors!
@@LouisOtto i hope you're not so serious or exagerating. but you're right about juniors.
I graduated last year with an Associate's. I have 7 years of IT experience and still cannot find a permanent full-time ENTRY LEVEL IT job. It's ridiculous. I wish someone told me a decade ago to nor pursue tech. It's one of the most oversaturated jobs where it's next to impossible to find a job...
Having you been applying for tech support roles, like phone based roles where you help dumb white collar office workers with their Outlook/VPN issues?
They will probably open more tech jobs with lower and lower salary until expected salary balances with the other majors.
@@EatMyShortsAU it is exhausting
I am on the same boat
I'm contemplating if i pursue electrical engineering or cs. Should i go with ee or you think that it's gonna get better?
As always in my life, I've been late to the party. I decided to quit my job this January, to become a full stack engineer, and since I quit my job, FANG and other big companies started mass layoffs, and chatGPT came out. Talk about bad luck... I roll a dice and I get -6...
Same here pimp. They keep moving the finish line.
Can't tell you how much I needed this video right now. I've spent basically a year (after two years of self-teaching) trying to take that resilience path, and this certainly is giving me a wake up call to focus my efforts on building better stuff instead of just applications. Always great stuff but this is vital.
Getting a first round interview now is more difficult than making to round 5 previously. In previous job search I had 2-3 interviews everyday. Now months without a single interview. I am senior level and same for many of my teammates.
Wow if your a senior level I can only imagine the struggle of junior or intern competing in a larger pool
Hello Au. Any good news since you posted this comment about your job search?
Any update?
So basically the only sure path is to be a rockstar programmer , which does not apply to 90% of us. Or dedicate tons of time and effort in the hopes that your job won't get automated away in the future.
Anyone can write code well enough. Domain knowledge is where job security is at. Example - writing code for databases can be done by anyone. Writing code to control physics based hardware (MRI machine) is done by people with physics degrees. Why? It's easier to teach a physicist programming, than teach a programmer physics.
Im just going to stic with cnstuction/compentarny rather than rott away on desks on projects I don't care about. My time is somewhat important for me.
@@wantedsavage7776stick with what?
@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah I call bullshit on this. Writing code well is essentially a very deep domain of it's own. Key here is "well" as sadly majority of code that's being produced I can't really call well, yet, in situations where it matters such as your given example a strong CS background is I think more important than the domain logic - when it comes to implementing it I never found difficulty to learn necessary domain logic from experts and turn them into production systems. I don't think MRI control algorithm is more difficult to implement than query optimizer in a DBMS. That said I don't really know that much about MRI machines particulary. Thought I did some work in implementing physics related algorithms (in optics field) and I worked together with dudes who did the research and they provided me with all necessary knowledge and models. I actually tried to teach them to code such that they could implement code (in essence I was just trying to be lazy lol) that I could later integrate as opposed to me needing to implement all the domain logic (to be fair they already can code, as they use python or matlab when they work on models, but they can't produce reliable software). That was futile - and I'm only talking here about the algorithm part - there is whole bigger system side part that has nothing todo with physics and only with software engineering. They have plenty of other things to worry and to think about and they really don't just don't want to spend time thinking about things like memory limits and algorithm efficiency or all the possible edge cases that may happen to the program. Now sure physics graduate can learn to code and can become great engineer but it's just less effective compared to going through CS program, in essence you still will need to learn everything that they learn in CS degrees, it's no better than someone who learned CS degree then learned physics at least for what's necessary for the job.
@@sk-sm9sh You're post was too long. Many scientists don't want to code. The coders for MRI and other physics based products, tend to be scientists turned coders. Not always, but most of the time.
CS and programming is not a domain. Knowing how to run a lathe doesn't mean you have the knowledge to design (not build) a rocket.
Quit my job. Spent thousands of dollars in bootcamps and could not compete against someone with a career and a degree. It was hard, the only job I could land was a $14/h job as a WordPress developer. I ended up studying for a license for 1 month and got a job as an insurance agent making 60k a year. I plan on going back to school and finishing my degree instead. It sucks to be late to the party. Its hard out there, good luck to everyone.
Don't stop buddy, keep practicing code everyday. Try building multiple smaller applications and putting them into a portfolio and show recruiters that you are serious. Keep making contributions to your GitHub. Add more stuff to your LinkedIn. You'll get there
Who exactly do I have to blow to get a salary like that?
@@mikicerise6250Joe biden
Well that shit was a scam to begin with.
@@mikicerise6250 get 6 months with an insurance company that will train you and the use that experience to go with Progressive, Geico or Statefarm and work from home.
i never considered the front door approach as an option cuz i was 16 when i was looking for a role, so - i became really good in the other approach, and it feels natural to me now; glad to know that more people are realizing it's potential
Incredibly helpful! Loved the visuals explaining new market dynamic :)
Amazing material! So easily explained, pure pleasure to watch and listen. Thank you!
This was very helpful. Thank you Theo. I was trying to put this into my own words for a while now, so I'm glad you got to it first.
It's insane how accurate this is. I just recently got a job (started in january) and what I will definitely say is they seemed to be far more interested in the projects I've built and my overall approach to learning things. Leetcode definitely had a huge factor, but it didn't seem like it was the deciding one at all. I'm not 100% sure if the reason I was hired was because I aced my interview, but more so, because how in depth in my projects I was able to go while showing genuine interest on how I'd do things different.
I'm grateful to have found this channel, as it personally kept things fun and interesting enough while unemployed and on the hunt.
Wishing everyone luck on this journey and I pray things will get much better!
hi Aaron, i've been too curious if i'm gonna be able to stand out from the crowds. if you are a junior, i would love to relate from you. like how much skills you need that made you standout, how good your portfolio is, how well you do in the interviews. it would be a great help.
What were some of the projects you had built?
I don't think the idea of project matters, I think it's more so that I was interested enough in my ideas to design it, then take those designs and build from it as an engineer. Hitting certain roadblocks and overcoming them, which can be a rewarding process as you grow as a developer.
Being able to go in depth in that experience was what I feel ultimately won me over with the hiring managers.
But to just make sure I answered your question; A social media app and an educational platform app.
@@aaronmendez9284 thank you sir
@@theultimatedoom1627 anytime!
As someone who left a pretty good career last November to pivot to software development, this is pretty disheartening to hear. I just couldn't waste any more life doing something I had very little interest in even though I knew the tech industry was headed for difficult times. Hopefully things will start to improve by the time I'm ready to find a job, but I guess we will all just have to work harder to break through in the meantime. Thank you for the encouraging advice; I will make sure to find ways to contribute, get to know people, and make impacts even without a job.
Don’t be too disheartened. There are still more tech jobs now than there were 3 months ago. And unemployment in tech in the US was at 1.5% in January down from 1.8% in December.
Even the large tech companies that announced layoffs recently still have more employees than they did a year ago
what was the career you left, if you don't mind me asking?
@@georgemartyn5268 Environmental consulting
Think of it this way: virtually every company is now a tech company. Software engineer and data analysis skills are in demand across the board for all sorts of companies, government agencies etc, not just fancy tech companies. It will never not be useful to learn this stuff. Keep going and you'll get that job soon though.
Thank you so much for the detailed explaination. As a job hunter, I'm trying to get my first gig. This makes so much sence to me now and definatly i'll change my startegies becuase of you.
I will edit this comment once i got the job and let everyone know that you was right about this stuff.
I got recently laid off from a startup and let me tell you, its brutal out there! I got rejected left and right and lost my sanity! I am an early level product manager and hustling so bad to break into my dream product job since people are expecting a lot from you. However, this video added such clarity to my job search strategy. I hope we all land those awesome jobs!!!
last year i was getting interviews left and right without even putting any effort into applying. i wasn't ready to leave my job but i wanted the interview practice. now that i'm ready to change jobs i haven't been able to get an interview in 2 months...
dude same... had job offers for 1-2 steps above (architect, SME, director), and now not even a call back for junior or helpdesk. Really depressing.
Welcome to the real world lol..
Just subbed. I've seen your channel being recommended to me enough times, and this video was the final nail in the coffin, positively of course.
My friend who's been in the industry for almost 3 years recommended me to contribute to opensource too, and I did a bit. Now I am completing some personal projects and then building my portfolio site. I'll be making more substantial contributions soon. Just sucks that now that I want to get into the industry, it's a lot worse.
I'll still keep putting in the work, but in the right areas. Thanks a lot Theo, have a wonderful rest of the week!
This is true. But also, ex-FANG people expect very high salaries that just aren't available anymore. Many of them won't even look at a lot of the jobs fresh grads and juniors apply for due to the salary disparity. There are plenty of jobs out there; as you said you have to network well and leave an impact where you go
Also Most of them are probably retired before 40s😂
It's going to have a cascading effect though. As they lower expectations, organizations will expect more for less pay. So now they can hire better skills for lower pay, meaning entry level work will just become more and more unattainable.
Yeah, if FANG people saw the salaries we're asking for they'd send a hit squad after us. But it's the only weapon in our arsenal.
Damn, that was sad, and motivational at the same time. I dabble in programming, but focus more on motion design, but I feel it's a bit similar in that space with your graphs. Thanks for sharing this information. And also thank you for your impact on the creator dashboard for Twitch! Love using it!
I managed to contribute to The Odin Project not too long ago, was my first contribution to any project and now I'm looking for other open source projects I can maybe make better. Really hoping it works in my favor cause at the moment the struggle is real, haha.
Networking is huge but I just seem so terrible at it.
The problem with leetcode style interviews is that you have to go through all that every single time you need to find a job. It makes me think of all the time I've used towards grinding leetcode when I could have used that time to work on something meaningful.
Think smarter. Engineer a way in which you can pay an indian to do the code and make it seem like it's you. They may do it for $100.
So true. Literally everytime I go to apply i jobs, the leetcode grind is initiated. At this point, the engine turns over a few times before it gets going.
Or you can just learn it once and for all and maintain a regular weekly habit of leetcode. You really can’t afford a ramp up period every time you look for a job. Leetcode must become a way of life like exercising and eating well.
@@Chi_di So you can lose out against someone who has nothing better to do than grind LC outside of work? But yes, I get what you're saying and it does help a bit.
@@Chi_di You do have a good point. I’ve implemented minimum 30 mins a day with DSA problem, but leetcode and interview prep is like preparing for Olympic event. Olympians train like hell at their event all year and I’m not training for a Olympic programming competition - that’s exactly what leetcode is, prep for programming Olympics. I think the style of interviewing, generally, does work but most of the year I don’t need competitive programming at my job.
Absolutely right. 2023 rough right now. A lot of it in 2023 has to with who you know not what you know. You will see people get jobs through references. You will also noticed a large influx of people applying for the same role. You need to make yourself stand out in 2023. This can be anything from joining social events, reaching out to job recruiters, branding yourself on LinkedIn so hiring managers can find you.
Imagine spent years doing that shit instead of studying another cool thing
Clicked on this expecting a very pessimistic outlook but found it quite inspiring. Great video
Great video Theo, appreciate it!
Rooting for everyone searching for roles at the moment 🙏🏽you've got this
"it's cool everyone just erase any separation between work and personal life you thought you had and you'll maybe get a job"
Welcome to the real world, if you aint grinding, you on the streets
Great video! Stumbled on this after posting my 'how to get an entry IT job' on UA-cam as well, cheers
getting a job anywhere is extremely hard, me trying to get a animation job was easy during the mid late 2000s now extremely hard to none, People wonder "what young People are commiting suicide nooo" due to no one hiring and companys not hiring and if they are It's a extremely rare unicorn.
I'm extending my degree by a year, in the hopes I might be able to ride some of this out. I might also look better with one or two more internships on my sheet by the point I start looking for a full-time thing.
That said, landing internships right now is unbelievably hard. Loads of my peers who are completely fine are finding nothing, and the top ones that'd normally be headed off to California are sticking around locally.
at this point its like a full time job to get a job, sometimes i dont know if im loosing my time
@@cristianjuarez1086 Looking for a new job is a full time job.
You gotta put in the effort to not only apply to a few companies DAILY but reach out to a manager, recruiter, or existing employee at the company. Companies have hundreds of applicants and tbh they want every excuse to not look at your resume(so yes, do cover letters).
You HAVE to find ways to stick out, especially now. I got hired for my first dev job last month with all this going on, it’s possible.
@TheDopeJackalope sounds really gaslighting, ill do my best i guess
@@cristianjuarez1086 Idk how this is gaslighting, I’m just trying to give you encouragement to apply. Idk what your situation is but I’m just saying that you’re not just competing with self taught devs, cs degrees, masters students and bootcamp devs, you’re competing against experienced devs that lost their jobs. Plain and simple, if you want to get a dev job rn it’s not going to be easy and you’ll need to do more than just hit the apply button and send your resume to 50+ places. And everyone and their mom has some pet project they have that they think will help them stand out. Networking and reaching out to people is key. Take this as you will.
Smart moves
Learn plumbing or construction working, and you'll get rid of all this bs, work hard bs, or "a.i. is coming" stress, you'll earn twice the money, and find jobs to do instantly. At least in Europe, a plumber/construction worker gets 2-3 times the money of a web dev. You'll get back home tired rarely, and when it's the case, it's physically tired, not mentally. I forgot to mention, you don't need a master degree in IT, 5 years of experience and 5 years of experience in all new possible languages or that ridiculously hyped, useless Typescript shit.
thanks a lot for sharing this man, this make me clear now
getting a software developer job is still not that hard in my country
but getting 'Workplace that treat developer as a human' has always been crazy hard
tight schedule, salary that aint worth it, no sleep, endless meetings
just one year of that I have backache that ain't going nowhere for sometime now
Which country are you talking about? Southern Europe is my bet
@@pelayopar or Eastern Europe
@@pelayopar in my case south east asia
planks planks and some more planks
@@MyPhuckDub Eastern Europe isn't that bad. There are a few or more kind like this companies, but also the contrary.
Thank you man!
I have a Master degree in Computer Science Concentration Software Engineering and still struggling to get a job in the field. I graduated before the pandemic started March 2019. During the pandemic, I had the opportunity to have 4 months of experience as a Big Data Engineer. The company trained me and the layoff some employees because they could forward us on another because of the pandemic. It’s exhausting to get back into the Tech field. The pandemic really messed up my opportunities. Now, I’m not showing no interest in others jobs that are not in my field of studies. I’m still on my journey to land a job in my field. I do have a family to support and I ask God to get me out of this situation. I have applied over 500+ job positions and still no opportunities. I put it God hands. I’m currently pursuing a doctorate in Computer Science.
May Jesus bless you, your family and your career, brother.
God bless you brother! Trust the process and never give up!
Bro, the pandemic was fantaaaaaaaastic for jobs DURING the pandamic. It was a golden age of opportunity. After the pandemic is when it got really bad. If you couldn't get a job during the pandemic then the problem most certainly wasn't the market.
If getting a masters didnt help you land a job, why work on and pay for a doctorate? Just study leetcode and system design for months until you can land a job
Good to provide references for such arguments
Thanks you man❤️
I think this is true - in the US. In Europe (talking Denmark specifically, since that's where I'm from) it's still very tough for companies to find engineers. Too few engineers for too many positions. Although there is companies that have laid off staff (like Pleo, SoundCloud, Spotify), I'm not sure if we will see the same wave of layoffs here as in the US. I might just be smoking mad copium though.
Keep in mind that what happens in USA might need some time to come to other part of the world. There is a saying "When USA coughs, the whole world gets sick"
I feel you. It is the same situation in Greece. People are looking left and right for engineers who are worth their mettle. As someone who performs tech assessments on behalf of my workplace, I am quite tired of going through the rounds with a candidate only to eventually find out they are snagged away, again and again and again, esp. in the let's say "junior/mid" positions, the grey area where people are really trying to put their best foot forward.
Same here in Belgium. I think there is a difference between how companies in the Us and Europe work, workers are far more protected in Europe. It's quite expensive to layoff workers, so hiring people is a bigger financial risk. Initially it might be a lot harder to find work as a self taught / bootcamper, but once you are in the industry, job security is more guaranteed.
@@IvanRandomDude Yeah, however, Europe & USA have vastly different demographics. Europe's facing a severe reduction in the general work force over the next decades (e.g. for Germany we're looking at 20 to 30% fewer people in the work force!). Europe's population is aging a lot faster, a lot of our countries have inverted population pyramids whereas the USA's demographics are pretty health - their pyramid looks much more like a chimney, meaning the number of people. Companies here (= in Europe) are desperate to fill qualified positions and will remain so for a long while, at least in general - temporary hickups notwithstanding.
Hov hov! Where are all these openings here? I live in DK and I've been applying since November and I don't even get a reply.
Was there any data that got published recently that shows how much the tech recruiting world got impacted this year ? would love to see the data regarding this subject
Recruiting got hit hard at Facebook and Amazon from what I read. Mostly due to the hiring freezes. Plus, companies can farm out recruiting to a third-party tech recruiting firm easily, and then take over when it comes to interviewing and final negotiations.
such good advice
You're right in everything you say. Really, thank you a lot for your words. See you at the top.
I am just happy I work in a country that has labor laws and it's illegal even as a B2B contractor to be fired right away. On top of 2 month notice period, the company is very stable financially. If you are reading this and you hadn't broke into tech yet - keep going. You got this and you are very qualified - if you don't do it this year you will do it the next year and so on. I come from a working class family and it was 100% worth it to just work exhaustively and get a career in tech. You are doing great and you will succeed
what country is that?!?!
Which country??
What's your take home? US employee probably takes 2x what you have, means that they would be same money-wise if they have to take 1 year unemployment break after each year working.
Probably you still pay for "labor laws" as decreased paycheck!
@@eugeneostroukhov3315 thats a major cope. If hes located anywhere in the developed world US employees dont make 2x what he makes. Maybe 1.3x if they can get a good job.
I think some of your assumptions are incorrect. Openings have not been cut in half; industry-wide openings have been reduced by 10-15%. And referrals are still meaningless at many companies.
It feels like you're winging it here, going off your impressions based on anecdotes and social posts from your own friends group. I'd love it if you would look into some reliable data sources and consider updating this clip with references.
Yes thank you, was wondering where does he get his numbers. Would be nice to back those claims up with some actual statistics and sources
Agreed. The charts are just bogus "how I feel" bar graphs.
Seriously…normally I like his videos but it seems like he’s posting this just to get on the panic train in order to get more views for his channel.
pretty much my take
I don't know how people have the energy to keep trying at this point. I'm tired. I don't enjoy life enough to try this hard just to sell a third of the rest of my life just to keep being alive.
I know what you say sounds really dark but I feel you bro.
Thank you for this.
So damn true. As a new grad, my heart is more than devastated.
Damn. This one is cold. I see a lot of people here with great experience getting layed off and having a difficult time landing a web dev job. I have no previous experience nor a university degree in that regard and I was hopeful for this career path. This serves as a reminder that I need to work my ass off. And even then I just might face a wall
I'm still self learning Python while I work at a call center, I hope I find a job also, lets not give up guys.
One can hope. One can hope.
Me too
But it isn't about hope, there are lack of oportunities now
im doing the exact same thing currently. Keep it up you got this! I think in the end all that matters if is we actually know enough to be able to do it all, and if we dont well we need to learn some more. Be someone worth hiring
Learn PHP and a bit of WordPress you will find a job easier than with Python, then if you are in love with Python with one year of experience with PHP the transition of finding a job with Python will be much easier or you can just start learning Symfony or Laravel and still make good money. But getting a first job with Python specially without a degree it will be hard not impossible but it's much easier to get in the industrie with PHP and WordPress.
Thank you Theo
Dang, Gem video. I need to start grinding then
i recently got a job as a junior because i joined my local programming community and do networking there
For someone like me, self tought and just begining (1 yr in, web dev, react,nextjs), this was a great video. It highlights the importance of community and how that might be the new path of finding a job for me. I'm really despeate to get out of my current job (ChemEng, 9 yrs), time to build community.
This has always been the best way to get a job: while there were a lot of jobs being filled "through the front door" before, they weren't the best jobs.
If an industry os making it impossible to get a job, leave that industry.
Get impact to get a fucking job? Really? Damn this is like if we are kinda artist not engineer. We need to be entrepeuner, coders, and fucking engineers to get a fucking single job wtf
I couldn't agree more. I have worked for software companies since 2007. I have never ever gotten a job outside of someone at the company recruiting me or an in-house recruiter.
Job postings online are useless. I don't even bother looking.
I just resigned from my job this week.
What is my plan? Start gearing up for interviews by studying every day. Slowly start reaching out to my network. The day I quit, I had 5 leads. Slowly I'll hit up everyone I know. Then work my way down to recruiters I know already. Then slowly go to reaching out to other recruiters.
I have ~15 years of experience. I feel super bad for people with under 5 years of experience. It's gonna be tough, but things will rebound.
I've got to hit the job market again after having it pretty easy the past few years working for MS assisting with migrations and helping sys admins implement 365 into their organizations as everything moves to the cloud. I guess I picked the right time to go back to school and finish my degree, but I'm spoiled now after working remotely for the past few years best commute ever! Now I've got to learn coding with kids half my age who have been doing it since they were in diapers it seems and already come in knowing three or four different languages to my mediocre PowerShell and Linux exp with some Java.
I believe in you
You got this bro us systems people are built different.
Learned to code
with breaks for last 4 years, finally came to level to do tokenization and API building and market goes boss level. Did not touch keyboard to code for last 3 months. So much less stress, working on starting some webshop job because f... it.
Oh lord, the "timing". It always follows me since my school days, that's so funny. The amount of changes that happened in my school exactly in my year were crazy. After School I was going to apply for the Military Academy which used to be 6 years. When it came to my age it became 5 years, which meant instead of me applying at 16 I would apply at 17. At 17 I changed my mind and wanted to party, go to college and do stupid shit. Now here I am, when I decided to go to tech and study this happens, lmao.
But I will keep pushing through.
u have no idea what u are talking about, i finish college in 2008, there was a big economic crisis, all around the world but specially in my country, they increased taxes and unemployment was skyrockting, i remenber delivering resumes in hand, and having a person to put it in the garbage after i left and looked in the window.... i had to migrate to another country just to get a job, i went to work on a shit work that the natives didnt want, i hardly had money to eat..... and you complaing about partying or a small change in tech... meanwhille in my area of work, that i was forced to go because my father told me if i missed a year i would go to work manual job... well my area of work they make changes every 3 months sometimes 6 months and you are always guessing.... and have a lot of responsiblity is very comon for people to not be stable in jobs to last not even 1 year... now please tell me how hard is not to get 100k+ carreer because coding.... loool i wish i went to coding but i changed that because of maths... every class was maths and still companies in my country demands you to be a engineer.....
In my area in particular it was already basically impossible to get a tech job without a degree and with this trend I might as well claim depression isn't the reason why I'm not even trying. I think I'll focus on hobby projects for a bit as I figure out what I'll do. I mean I did (half-jokingly tbh) apply at what could've been a dream job (after jokingly asking their founder if I should bother on mastodon) but that didn't end up working out. Still an amazing experience to actually get an interview instead of the usual ghosting I've gotten from (previous and potential new) freelance clients and other applications. Might end up accepting some medium to shit tier job to save up funds for a project that'll either wipe my savings or grow to become my main income source.
7:04 I'm glad you don't insist too much on OSS contributions (beyond starting with it as the obvious factor); not only does that take time and effort that not everyone can afford to invest in their daily life, but also if you're unemployed then really can't afford to be effectively working for free for the companies that use that piece of software.
Of course, given how tight the job market is getting, you're right to bring it up - it *will* make a difference. I just don't think right now is the time to get started on making contributions to OSS in the hopes of it finding you a job if you're already actively looking for one.
Then again, maybe I'm wrong and right now is the perfect time to get started *if* you can balance it with everything else.
It is, and always has been a numbers game, especially if you lack experience. Don't hesitate to send your resume to every company on the planet, because eventually you'll score some interviews and a job. For those with experience, connections and playing LinkedIn is even more important, but mid-level and senior roles are still out there for the taking, the climate for you is much better. Any temporary hiring freezes will be over by Spring, when we'll see companies to go back on hiring sprees once more.
I have 7 years of experience in frontend, I started building my portfolio then landed a job, I stopped building portfolio, 4 months ago I have been laid off, now I started working on my portfolio:d
While the economic situation has an impact more or the less everywhere in the world, depending where you live the situation about job hunting might be very different.
I’d say that the situation portrayed here is what is happening in the states mostly.
There is a lot of countries in the world where it is very hard to lay off employees and so the amount of job hunters didn’t increase much.
Looking for a front-end job for 4 months straight now. Always rejected at the last stage or just ignored at the beginning. It's tough...
Just don't be a frontend dev. The market is absolutely saturated by frontend devs
@@brunovaz yeah, I know. But I have one year of commercial experience and it's this hard. Imagine how hard it is when you're a complete beginner. That's why recommendations and contributing to open sources are the best right now.
@@GameDSS do you have any degree or is it all self taught?
@@user-td5gy2fh3p self thaught. although im planning on starting uni this year just for the sake of it
@@brunovaz the market is saturated with "okay" frontend devs, if you're really pushing cool domain-expanding work in UI/frontend i know people foaming out the mouth for UI devs, in fact over time, i respect UI/frontend more and more, cuz it's hard to get it right
I just lost one of my ideeas for my podcast because of how good this video is and short as well
I saw that coming last year. That’s why I went for a job while the opportunity was there instead of starting a masters degree.
It's so frustrating! For the first time I've felt like I'd be good enough for an entry level job. I can make websites, I understand how things work, I'm getting amazing grades in my final year of uni. And yet all of this happens and I have to consider moving back in with my parents because I don't think I can actually get a job in the near future since almost none of my experience comes from real, quality projects (mostly school stuff) so I have nothing to show off. The past few weeks it's been hard to even motivate myself to get out of bed because it feels like all this schoolwork is just making me waste time on stuff that won't help me get a job in this ridiculous market.
this video is so good that i had to rewatch it and cry with the fact and reality... im on the lowest side of IT now i wanna move up with little exp and mostly i just have to convince the people to take me in T_T
Do you have any videos where you talk about how you create this diagram in excalidraw, not about excalidraw but how do you think which diagram to draw, like when do you draw timelines, flow charts, bar diagrams
Awesome video Theo!! 🎊
I think so, it's not easy but with a lot of willpower, you can 👍🏻
This is good one
Great video Theo! Makes perfect sense with today's hiring climate.
Welp, I'm screwed. Time to flip burgers.
Now it's even harder on coding bootcamp grads who didn't pursue a technical heavy degree (like CS or Chemistry) like me.
Been job searching for three years 😭
Have you been making increasingly complex side projects? I've been getting asked more and more about side projects as of late. My experience is gets me in the door, but sometimes I get shutdown because all my work is company work and not personal (which I can show off)
don't give up. I finished a bootcamp in Feb 2020, right before covid, and spent two years looking for a job. keep coding, keep learning, keep applying
@@Metruzanca 👋🏼Found you in a new place
@@Metruzanca I've contributed to three complex projects but they're mostly company work so I can't show them off too and I got in only because my connection needed help. But the experience has been quite helpful. Now, since I'm on my own, I've been kind of in a stasis. I've had trouble starting complex full stack apps on my own
@@z3rocodes Apparently not enough these three years to land a job.
I'm trying to do more this year, but it's hard to juggle between applying for jobs, doing leetcode, and starting own personal complex projects.
So first week of February, I applied to about 30 places so far
Graduated from a bootcamp a month ago and since then it's been quiet on the job frontier. I've been doing cold apps day after day and not a peep yet. I'm looking for an open-source project to get into, maybe even start my own to add to the list of things I've been doing for the past year getting ready to enter the industry.
I've applied for more than 80 jobs as Network Engineer I have a gap of a year and still is hard to get hired it is brutal.
So what I'm getting here is that competition sucks.
Instead enter a space where competition is much much lower and your chances go up 10-20x. Solid advice. Can confirm it works.
Competition is stupid. You should compete only when you think you have an edge. Sun Tzu said that. Or something like that.
Thank god I managed to do my Job hop just last year 25% payrise from my old job. It's a shame the current downturn means it might be more than a couple years before doing the next pay rise job hop
One thing I wanted to point out is that you usually cannot refer a new graduate for a job. They will need to go through campus hire/recruitment. At least it’s the case when I was with my previous employers(one is big four consulting firm and another one is top 10 in banking services)
Just got my BS in Computer Science about a month ago. I have applied at so many companies and I am eager to put in good quality work and to grow my skill set, but I can't even get an interview anywhere, I'm so demoralized :(
As someone who is going the “traditional” route with portfolio, and Leetcode prep, how does one even start going into that “other side”? Would I have to pull open-source projects and go on a bug hunt, and then learn how the entire application works to fix that one bug? Or I look for more simple applications to fix or contribute to? Also what communities would be good to join as someone who barely graduated college?
You could also write your own oss service/package/library.
Make projects you’re interested in. Contribute to open source that you’re interested in, and talk in communities to learn code or share your work. Go to code meetups and network. Leetcode sure is important but nothing is more important than networking. I have friends that graduated in May and they’re still looking for jobs. I graduated in December with no work experience and no internship and I got a job within 1 month of applying. If you’re truly passionate, make some projects, network, apply everyday(WITH THE COVER LETTER) to jobs and reach out to recruiters, managers or HR at these companies you apply to. This is what will set you apart from the hundreds of applicants they are receiving.
All this buildup just to plug the discord 😜
I stopped giving a fuck and just worked on component libs and creating open source projects and games. The big tech industry is not even worth applying to and even smaller buisnesses will wrap you in in nonsensical red tape. After 15 years in industry and multiple terrible experiences contracting remotely after getting ill (seizures) I literally don't give a rats arse about it anymore and am looking to migrate into teaching and developing my own indie buisness. It's been a tight year money wise but i'm more free and healthier.
Very good
It is funny to see the IT crowd now has to learn about how supply and demand works on the free market. Welcome to the real world. You are going to hate it. But at least it will make you understand the general population and their issues more. Not the superficial issues that we developed in out IT bubble.
I noticed a lot of people a learning to code nowadays and that’s the problem, people who would never even have got into tech if it weren’t for the pay. The thing is many of them are not ready or qualified. So it’s now finding a needle in a haystack trying to find someone genuinely interested in the position other than money.
I'll start pre-painting my "will calculate subnets for a small meal" signs...
Graduating from university in about a month. I have nearly 2 years of work experience in the industry from start-up to Nokia and can do full stack. Finding a job has been hard. All the companies I worked for laid me off after the trial period was about to end and I have been forced to start over. Filtering by my work experience, 92 pages of job enlistings turn to 9 total. Most companies want experienced seniors and why wouldn't they? I'm not bitter about that, everyone needs a job and seniors as much as us juniors do. But the point is that in the current market if even seniors struggle to keep/find a job then is it any wonder many of us juniors can't seem to get our foot between the door either. Who'd even hire us when much better candidates exist?
I have 12 years of experience in graphic design. I lost my job in 2020 and took a different career path, completely different.
Now I'm trying to get back into that and I barely get any interviews and always get rejections. It's too cutthroat. I'm still trying to hold on to hope but I slowly losing it.
Can you name the tool you're using for drawing charts? Looks sick
It feels like we've gone from being a girl on tinder to being a guy on tinder
As a 1rst year CompSci student, thanks for the heads up. This and the looming threat of AI make me worried about my future, but I suppose it's better than being caught by them by surprise.
Change career bro. You are in time. Im changing to electronic engineer ❤
If I were you I'd change to a career that's more grounded in reality and away from a computer, since who the hell knows if we're still going to have electricity in 10 years.
Excited to do shit for free while I'm sick, in debt, and behind on rent and bills. Glad to have worked so hard for a useless degree.
I've made websites since I was a kid and it's been really wild to watch this industry progress. there was a time not too far distant when people who made websites weren't even considered programmers and not really worthy of much respect. then the internet continued to exponentially explode in value, and suddenly the same people who were mocking scrappy self-taughters like me we're competing for the same jobs. I was doing the same work, yet job title started changing. I was a web dev. then I was a front end developer. then I was a full stack developer. then I was a software engineer, full stack. Yes, the tech stack got more complex, but at its core we ultimately were making the same thing that I had been making since I was a kid, just more efficiently and programmatically.
I guess my ramble is to say that I remember when this line of work was deeply devalued. it was mocked and seen as not even worth anyone's time. Dollar signs changed that and I made note of it. it always seemed like a bubble to me. a bubble I happen to fit inside, but a bubble nevertheless. I think things will pick back up, but I don't think salaries will be quite as fat as they have been in recent years.
if you want any advice from a dinosaur, someone who's been doing this for 10 years professionally, focus on making stuff and have fun. enthusiasm is infectious, and it drives learning new tech. New things come out all the time, tech is a trendy business. in 2012 you couldn't have a resume without jQuery on it and be taken seriously, and nowadays you probably don't want that there, focus on vanilla or react. nothing really stays in place, so you have to be adaptable and nothing fuels that quiet like making stuff and falling in love with that. Don't just chase the dollar signs, because they're fickle just like a lot of things in this industry. Love what you do, lean into crafting, and have fun. it may take a little while, but you'll find your place
As a CS undergrad - in terms of jobs, there are no jobs.
You know, I thought about changing my job this year. I've been in this position for 2 years already. The job is good and all but it's pretty long time, in fact I've never been in the same company for so long. I'm not learning as much anymore so it's really time for a change but watching the current market... I reconsidered these plans. Guess will have to stick to pet project and self-study after work and on weekends to fill my need of something new
Same thing. I started as a Junior 1 year ago. Not much progress, and I make shit $$$. But ho boi, it's still better than no job.
In the US maybe. In Australia, we're still lacking in population for tech skills that we had to resort outsourcing from other countries. Our government even resorted handing out free uni courses to alleviate the gap. And this is post lay-off scenario.
Its definitely an US issue, not a programming/dev issue, your economy is having a huge recession and competition with China is becoming impossible since they work 9am to 9pm 6 days a week in software, robotics and medicine.
All the empires have its downfall and you are about to meet yours
Everyone is propagating this idea that there was over hiring but there isn't any evidence to suggest that. No one seems to be asking the important questions, why now? Why are all these tech corporations letting go of people all at the same time?
what do you mean there's no evidence? there was free money going around in tech, it was a massive bubble and that's over now. Similar to a crypto bubble. the money is just dried up because they realized the value isn't there. most startups not only didn't make money but actually lost a ton of money. It was all a big sham