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Remember y’all, when you get out of college, you better have 3-5 years of experience for those entry level jobs. edit: damn, this comment blew up. Y'all this is a game of who can stick with something the longest. I'm a self-taught developer. I worked retail for 7 years. Then one day, a company gave me a chance. I went from $15 /hr to $60,000 /year. All you need is one job. Not 10. Not 100. Just one job. You need to fully commit yourself to becoming a developer. Some people are lucky to get a job in 6-7 months while others (like myself) takes a few years. The race is with yourself. Stop taking advice from redditors in the programming space and stop going down this rabbit hole of "I give up" content. It's toxic and pessimistic. You don't need that energy at all. Just build cool sh*t, then apply. I recommend building something you can monetize.
Lmao I love seeing the LinkedIn job postings marked Entry-Level with any number of required years from 3-9, I stg sometimes those are senior positions too 😭
@@BTrain-is8ch I honestly don't know that because no one tells us that and I never see an HR person to clarify. All I was told is that different companies have different expectations and maybe even different definitions of what is equal to what. And that maybe I should get my masters but I literally can't afford that.
@@NobleAbsinthe Every company I've ever worked for has been 3-5 years or an equivalent degree. We're not interested in hiring someone with no background or experience but a BS CS or BSE SWE is perfectly fine. I wouldn't recommend a masters. It'll probably cost you more in total (it's not just about tuition, it's more about the cost of spending another two years not working, picking up real world experience, and growing your compensation package) than it will add in value. If you've got a BS in CS or SWE go ahead and apply to whatever entry level positions you like. You'll be fine.
Yeah, I can't say it's not like how he said, but usually if you're willing to look where others aren't looking and be a little opportunistic (not in a finance kid way) you'll be ok, no one can guarantee FAANG or anything but if you love coding and don't need the first opportunity that comes your way and just explore your own interests and build your own style, you'll be ai.
CS majors complaining about having to actually learn how software works is hilarious. No engineer has ever complained about having to learn differential equations or thermodynamics because the software at their job does it for them. Most people whining on UA-cam are asking for a coding bootcamp, not a university degree.
@@ironmatic1 do u have to understand all of automobile engineering and physics before you get your drivers license? I totally understand ur point but the way school (atleast a lot of them) go about teaching things is in CS is fairly not optimal
@@SethuSenthil IDK about driving, but I would 100% hope that the person building my car has an engineering degree and knows his/her physics! Just because software isn't usually life-or-death like many other engineering practices doesn't mean you shouldn't know the underlying math/science stuff. But you don't need a degree to buy an iPhone and use an app :)
Sure, but they rather take someone without an CS degree for thos positions. Because otherwise they would be hiring smarter people than themselfes. CS degrees are a meme.
@@codemaster4261At least in Germany the degree cost anything, so you don't have debt. But yeah, you didn't go through this stuff to become a random fullstack guy for 60k. That's just insulting your intellect when you could do crazy AI stuff as well.
@@codemaster4261 Even German universities pay 60k for a fulltime PhD thesis in 2023. Just saying... Don't settle for less than public sector pay. PS: I guess I'm good at installing Windows because IT support offers are hitting my LinkedIn like crazy 😂😂😂😂😂
“Using a CS degree to work as a developer for a social media company is like using a cannon to kill a fly” heard this quote from one of my professors and can confirm.
how is that true though? social media companies must have complex algorithms that I assume take heavy development to squeeze as much time and involvement out of their users as possible, right? not like its a simple operation in the backend?
@@snaeshaads8203 The thing is computer science is an incredibly broad and complex subject. The theory of it goes back to mathematics and even philosophy (the Halting Problem and the limits of what can ever be solved, etc), which has virtually nothing to do with how a compiler works, which itself has virtually nothing to do with how a typical modern web app works, which has nothing to do with machine learning, which has nothing to do with OS kernels, etc. In a degree you take courses touching on all of this stuff, plus math up to vector calculus, etc. But 95% of it is very, very removed from the actual day-to-day reality of software engineering. The term code monkey exists for a reason. Lots of people just write code, the same kind of code they've been writing for 10 years, without ever drawing on any of the broader theory underlying computer science. That said, if you work at FAANG or other top tier places, they will absolutely expect you to be a wiz at algorithms and whatnot, at least for your interview. How often it actually comes up in practice I suppose depends on the work you're doing. But I seriously doubt it's enough to justify the culture of grinding leetcode and the like that CS has. Also, despite CS being a pretty difficult degree, lots of employers barely care about your undergrad. Experience and acing the technical interview are what matter.
man that sad. i'm in my second year trying to get into the cs program at my school and I'm realizing why I should switch my major 1st it doesn't feel like i have a passion for coding, sure messing around in coding is fun like making basic stupid codes of input or loops and whatnot but when it comes to learning new things i find it hard. 2) Amount of math u gotta do for cs. insane. just pure insane. not sure why i still chose cs after looking at math requirements. i realized if I'm struggling badly in calc, then calc 2, linear algebra and god forsaken discrete math will eat me up. 3) the hype and stigma of cs IMO was the reason why i chose it, everyone and their pet cat was doing cs and everyone was telling me to do it and ill be making 6 figures, high school me got convinced to do it, even knowing its gonna be hard, didn't realize how hard it is. so now Im kinda annoyed on how I've spent so much time trying to get into a program i knew i wasn't gonna like in the first place lol
@@saltysweatyhandsyou should consider WGU, it's accredited and on-line, self paced, requires calculus 1 and 2 discrete math classes. All that extra math is dumb AF for CS, it really is, especially school's who require CS students to take the same series of math as engineering students. Tbh it's dumb ASF for most engineering majors as well besides electrical engineering and computer engineering sort of, civil engineering etc. Nobody uses that shit in industry... And people who do use it, are using very powerful calculators to solve those kind of problems (not talking like hand held calculators either). But yeah, give WGU a look if all those math classes got you down. That or just stick it out.
CS graduate here. I'm a game developer now and my final year project was a combination of computer vision, robotics, UI/UX, and application development. While I agree that it was drag to get through undergrad but it was worth it for me. One thing is for sure, unless you actually like computers and math, CS is gonna be a very difficult degree to pursue.
For sure. Way too many people are in CS because they saw an influencer say it's easy money (not true), like video games, lack social skills and decided to lean into the stereotype, or for other half baked reasons. Most don't graduate, and those who do are doomed to a career of mediocrity at best.
How can I contact you, if you're willing to talk to a 2nd year SWE student? I read your comment and can see that you're very passionate about what you're doing. I have some questions about the career and I'd like to know your opinion on those. Thank you :).
Hello, do you think it’s feasible for a student to work while studying for a CS degree? My father has already expressed how he is not going to be helping with any expenses while I’m in college and I know I will have to take loans out but I still need money for living expenses and books.
I just graduated with my CS degree and cybersecurity minor. I landed a job immediately afterward as a pentester, but I'm training to move over to the red team. I would say the thing that actually gave me real-world experience and is the sole reason why I have a job now is that I did a Summer internship as a cybersecurity architect, but I established connections with everyone by reaching out to them. I would say this is the surefire way to get your resume built up with real-world experience that employers want to see.
Hi there brother! Congratulations on landing a pen tester job!! I am also interested in red teaming and I am currently in my 3rd year of CS degree. Could you help me by telling me some kind of pathway or resources that could help me??
@@worldofgamers4316 Brilliant, I just so happen to have researched into this a little bit yesterday. If you google "programming intern job", google will show you jobs from like linked in and indeed, and if you're a 3rd year, you probably meet many of their qualifications. I'm not taking courses yet but it's nice to know that there's plenty of room when I start.
Also interested in pen testing, Hack the Box is a great free place to start but you get price-walled so fast it's not even funny. What you really need is real world experience in linux command line, which you get from 1) using linux daily on your PC, and 2) maintaining some sort of server, doesn't matter what it is or how it runs, if it does run and keeps running then you're successful. The more stuff you run (game servers, ftp, databases, imap stuff) the more you will be familiar with pen testing tools.
Yeah if there's one thing CS students should know it's internships are everything. Get as many as you can with the best companies you can. And make connections with your coworkers. In other engineering fields your degree matters a lot, in CS it really doesn't. It's all experience and being a god at leetcode and technical interviews.
Graduated 4 years ago and work as a senior devops engineer now. This is accurate. Get as many internships as you can while you’re in college. These are the real entry level jobs that will build up those ”years of experience” for a real job after graduation. GPA will only matter for internships and your first job. Do a leetcode challenge or whatever once a day and you’ll be miles ahead of most people.
As a senior computer science major, the two most important things I’d recommend are maintaining a good gpa/ learning from your classes, and getting internships. It may take a few extra curriculars or projects, but once you get your first internship in your freshman or sophomore summer, you’re setting yourself up for a lot of future success.
I'm not going to say it's easy especially since I did it like 2 years ago, but I did have to apply like 20 times before even being interviewed. It's low-key just a numbers game once your resume is good enough, but don't stop applying and getting feedback, and it's very possible to get an internship as a sophomore. Freshman is a little harder, but possible nonetheless.
My avg CS experience: study up to 16 hours a day for few weeks then get hospitalized for a week then as soon as you get out continue to grind for 5 upcoming final exams. Thank you GaTech ):)
I know this sounds sad and all that but this video actually gave me help. I'm 5 years into my degree. I decided was a bright idea to switch from chemistry to this, and while some bits are easier some, it's a bit more hard and I've been feeling a bit more lost as of late but seeing this video and seeing that my experiences were not exclusive to only me, it has made me feel so much better and helped me to go forward. I hope to finish my degree this year. Maybe get some more internships which have been neglecting. Thank you
It's my biggest mistake in life to get into cs without having any basis of programming it's so hard watching people that are better than u who put 2-4 years before joining the college
@@rc8s Bro CS majors are like 85% male. And a lot of them are neckbeardy types. It's definitely a factor. A lot of companies in STEM fields want to hire women, but socially it can definitely be rough.
And there are tons of people who don't have any background in computer science do well in their studies just like all those who have played around programming language(s) before starting degree in CS
I am struggling with my CS and math classes and dread my GE classes, especially bio and communication. My biggest problem is that I need to spend more time studying math and CS. Honestly, I get very intimidated to start studying because I know how hard math and CS are, which stops me from advancing my math and CS skills. But it also feels so good and satisfying to overcome my struggles, and I know how to do better. I need to practice more and stop being lazy, but that's easier said than done. I wish colleges and universities could update their courses and actually care about their students' success because this is ridiculous. Though employers are starting to be more accepting of people who don't have a CS degree, your chances of getting a job in CS are still higher than those without a degree. Employers still need to check their stupid checklist.
i agree with you so much. same boat as you, I struggle with math and started to take my first cs course. hate how other classes get in the way. when i truly start to grasp, i have to do work for other classes. its an endless cycle of falling behind and catching up for me
math and CS ain't that hard. if you can't solve these problems that has been solved before, what makes you think you can solve problems in the real world? think about that.
I went to a libral arts college with a brand new CS program that was the bright idea of a brand new professor. It was amazing, awesome theory, every course was fun, interesting, and inspiring to everyone who took them. Attracted tons of people from neighboring programs just because of the teaching quality. People weren't super well prepared for industry work, but they did well in industry anyways, due to generally having good educational backgrounds. I was horrified when I went to grad school at a large public school and saw the undergrad CS program there. Pure, endless grind to no purpose or direction. Horrible. No respect for student's time or energy. No respect for first principles learning or theory. No room for experimental or exploratory projects.
because life is hard. you go to college, its hard. you dont go to college, its also hard. choose your path and stop watching youtube, if you all you're planning to do is bring yourself down.
Because its the reality. You'll also find plenty of videos saying how there are plenty of jobs because they're selling shovels (cs content), but the Software gold rush is over.
If software engineering is genuinely your passion you'll do fine. Just don't half ass it, and get as many internships as you can with recognizable companies. That said, CS courses and actual software engineering are quite different. Make sure you actually like the job you'll be doing. If you're iffy on it after a year or two I'd switch to a different engineering major. Most other stem fields respect your degree way more and don't have nearly as demanding technical interviews.
As a CS fresh graduate, I can seriously relate to the stress part. I have autoimmune thyroiditis and it basically gets worse with stress and lack of sleep, by the end of my final year my thyroid hormones and antibodies were so out of wack that I was awfully tired all day and had trouble concentrating. It was almost physically impossible for me to have a full-time job so I decided to have some time off just resting and look for a job later. It's 6 months later now and I'm still studying and looking for a job.
@@anon1963 a lot of people assume CS would be about programming. Boy are they(including me) wrong! And I didn’t and still don't have the luxury of changing my major, so I'm stuck with it.
@@mahmud1019yes I was wrong as well. advanced math slapped me really hard. but hey I did some research about how all that math and physics will help me and I decided to roll with it
@@manofsteel9051 where I'm from there are not many people who try to clear this misconception. I wish they did and even 4 years ago this topic wasn't as widely discussed as it is now. I hope you understand how I fell into this. Lack of widespread knowledge and lack of research on my part. If I had known better, I would've picked Software Engineering as my major.
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One option is to skip the degree and debt completely. I don't have a CS degree. I got an A+ cert and got an entry level desktop support job. I have worked my way up from there, while self learning part time. 7 years later I am a Lead DevOps Engineer at a global 500 earning more the 150k base salary with up to a 32% bonus.
It's more that Computer Science is no longer strongly related to programming. Software engineering courses are, shockingly, more about software engineering than it is computer science. This is the equivalent of being shocked that physics isn't a great degree for learning the skills to get a job as a mechanical design engineer.
Yeah, all my professors think at my job I'll be talking with my supervisors about Finite-Automatons and benefits of the Waterfall model for SW development
@@Kilian2computer science is a science subject, which means it has to, by definition, talk about the science parts that relate to computers. Programming happens to be one of them. Software engineering is the study of building software using certain principles, similar to how circuit engineering is the study of making circuits using certain principles. Software engineering is about software creation done from an engineer's perspective. It has a lot of programming because it's about software. Computer science is about the science of computers, of which programming is a small subset only.
You know, these comments have really shined a light on something. It’s made me realize some assumptions I (and many others) assume. These replies are arguing the case that computer science and getting a degree is strictly an academic approach, but the disconnect is many go into it with the intent of preparing for the job market.
The math is exactly why I dodges CS for a business degree in information systems. Now I job is like an many-in-one combo with network, servers, systems and support. There’s many tech job out there that doesn’t need as much grind while also giving out decent paycheque.
One of the most frustrating things about my CS program was that certain capstone courses were only offered every other semester. Lots of students in my dept had to extend their grad date by a year just for that one course (Object oriented design), and because of the infrequency of the class, it would fill up like instantly when enrollment opened. I had to convince my counselor to honor a 5000-level software development lifecycle class to fulfill that class requirement because I was moving after what was supposed to be my last full time semester. Luckily, that class actually taught me about jira and unit testing and other things my uni thought weren't important.
This is crazy. Our university teaches us unit testing in the first year. Who on earth thought it was a good idea to leave unit testing for the last year?
As someone who got a CS degree in 1972, this makes me glad I started in a simpler time. Most of these languages and concepts hadn't even been invented yet. And we really, really, really had to know what made the computers work (and how to fix them). Most programs today wouldn't even fit on a 1972 computer. The whole university mainframe only had 750 kilobytes of ram and disks only held 59 Megabytes each.
Your channel is everything I've been looking for, and I found you from a Hamza comment section. I'm a high school senior about to go to college for a CS degree but have been feeling so demotivated as I have "nothing to code". Thank you for what you do bro
"straight away" unless u know someone, get lucky with an apprenticeship, or make some successful app no one is gonna want someone who graduated years ago and has no experience in their field@@playversetv3877
@@hotman718 yeah that’s what I thought too bro until you realize it’s impossible and there’s never an end to what you have to learn. I mean if you understand it though then kudos to you
@@hotman718good for you. I believe you’ll succeed in this industry. Don’t slack off and don’t give up when things get hard. Every problem can be solved. Also keep learning, new tech comes out every single day so you have to constantly adapt to new frameworks and changes. But it can be a lot of fun once everything clicks and you build a project you’re proud of and it’s working.
The experience of getting the degree is spot on but if you aren't trying to throw your life away to get into FANG, the job market afterward isn't nearly as bad a depicted. It's still pretty hardscrabble right now with the economy tilting toward recession and interest rates being sky high, but it's still a better market for CS majors than most other majors.
I flunked computer systems twice, god that was hell. Most of the people in my CS class are now working in other fields right now, so I suppose I'm one of the few lucky ones to even land a job after getting a CS degree.
@@colinseguin9651 Im taking both classes at a community college right now, and both of them are the easiest classes ever. Why is that? Well 1. they're online 2. My OS class is just full of easy labs 3. My Comp Org class class never has homework posted. I guess I lucked out by going to a CC instead huh
Fundamentals of programming weeded me out of university, not because I didn’t like what I was learning, but because I was way too slow to keep up and actually be able to turn in my assignments in time. On top of that, the debt is crazy and I’m tryna have money to spend on things that actually help.
When I was in my college, they did not taught us anything only take exams and attendance , my college used to teach Qbasic, visual basic and Foxpro etc. very outdated software almost no use for industry, even in my university they teach about DBMS theory but they never teach about how to connect database to website or apps in full demo practical , that's why college are useless in computer science career. now I am learning everything by myself
I used to share your feelings for hand writing code and since grad school I have been note-taking on laptop. There is literature now that hand writing notes/diagrams leads to better understanding & retention. While my writing has suffered from atrophied muscles and have to keep track of notebooks I have rediscovered joy in hand writing notes.
I went down the self taught route because i figured it would easier on my own time. fast forward 3 years later and its literally the most gratifying and exhausting thing I have ever attempted. It's no question harder than doing it through college or a boot camp because it's all on you so you end up in a lot of dead ends that lead nowhere forcing you to backtrack months to start over. That's why when ThePrimeagen mentioned if you wanna do it you have to REALLY want it I completely agreed with and the amount of engineers I met who seem to have their entire personality wrapped around programming is mind boggling. It's great cause you want people who are passionate about what they do in any field but it's just funny cause it's led to engineers being known for not having great social skills lmao.
So here where I live in Germany, intro to programming is only one semester. And many people I've talked with in the field have told me that the 3 years are really worth it to formalize the knowledge that you probably have, but do not fully understand. Also it's free here, so it's only wasted time not wasted money here
Wasted Time is a much bigger factor. Just going to uni in germany will not get you a job. You have to atleast work full time next to your studies. Because germany has almost no tech companies. Its mostly engineering. So most companies are just looking for a cheap workforce that does all their shitty IT work (sth a 13yo could do). Additionally the quality of german universities are way below that of other countries. Professors have zero passion for their profession. Most only got into it, because their parents are academics. All they do is publish shit tier paper or do not even publish at all.
@@codemaster4261Yeah the German industry forces you to leave the country as a well educated programmer. I wouldn't necessarily say that German universities are bad, but they produce some kind of useless 2nd tier researcher without practical programming experience companies wouldn't wanna hire for 100k+
@@defaultdefault812 I have had a 3 year apprenticeship and 5 years of freelancing beforehand. I'm not a typical graduate. Even public universities pay 60k for a fulltime PhD. So you shouldn't go below that salary IMO.
Bruh, I'm legit fighting the DEEPEST urge to drop out of school. I know for sure I failed this second year. I'm in pain, I'm 25 and I proper have ZERO social life, not even discord or anything. A true recluse. I can't... I can't keep going like this.
Man trust me keep pushing. I dropped out of uni and can't find shit in my country, I can't even pass hr barrier the competition is insane. I'm planning to go back to uni and get that cs degree and recommend you not giving up. Hold on for a few more years, is it too much for a better future? We can do it bro.
I'm also in my 2nd year and the data structure is knocking me down. Also, there are rumors around the neighborhood about me doing something illegal in my house and only leave house mid night to grab some red bull at a nearby convenience store.
Doing a CS degree was the BEST decision of my life. Did internships in my undergrad (Amazon, Microsoft and Snap) and was able to get a return offer before graduating. I was making $200k fresh out of college, now I'm making $350k.
I knew of a few people like that in the CS course of the most prestigious university of my country, they're like top 0.01%, definitely not the average viewer lol
There is one piece of advice that i'd Like to give: - regardless of what you do, make it look good in a PowerPoint presentation. Selling you and your work is often more important than being able to write quality code.
So true lmao, my cs teacher said he and his team used to present a great mock-up to the clients if they didn’t finish the code, or just the program that worked under specific use cases😂
And once all that is done you will get a job making 3 to 4 dollars above minimum wage working under a guy who never even went to college because he just watched 3 udemey tutorials and instead of elective courses he spent his time mastering the social skills needed to fool recruiters into thinking he has 15 years of development experience .
so you don't think it had anything to do with the fact that "guy" could perhaps solve real world problems you can't?or maybe while he was working he was studying hard?
As someone who graduated debt-free with a CS degree, this doesn't represent me, but it is funny 😁. I do think a lot of the classes weren't exactly the most useful.
@@nothingimportant380 Brigham Young University, in Utah. Definitely great value for my money, but the classes were all over the place in how useful/helpful they were.
I’m going down the route of a general IT major while grinding on coding projects on the side outside of school, I’ve learned way more outside of college than in collage about programming and development tbh
people that say classes aren't related to a major either havent experienced the real world yet or have a boring job where you think youre doing a lot but are doing the bare minimum compared to what can be done
Holy shit I'm so relieved to see someone finally acknowledge the stupidity of coding subjects on paper. I thought this was just some fever dream that only occurred at my university. SQL, C++, Java, Python, Algorithms and data structures... all on paper.
its nice to know i spent all that time just to get a job where "i wont code at all, they just wanted someone with an engineering degree". thats what happens when you dont get internships or real experience before graduation, i can only blame myself but dont get into cs unless you can handle it and the extra shit you need to do to distingiush yourself amongst a sea of smart tryhards.
My son's approach: He is majoring in computer engineering instead of CS and therefore gets more digital hardware exposure. He also plans to apply for jobs at defense contractors, which eliminate competing with non-US citizens as well as US citizens that do not want to work for defense contractors or cannot get secret clearance due to failing the background checks. The Navy is also paying 100% for his CE degree, so he will have no debt once he starts working.
As a comp sci grad I feel that computer science is what you do if you are ok at math but not good enough to be a Math or Physics degree, and are not good enough at the other formal sciences to get an Engineering degree, and maybe you like computers but know jack about hardware. It is the construction worker of the sciences but it can pay well and is totally worth it.
You can’t be ok to math if you have this degree you must know a lot of math to complete this degree otherwise everyone would have had this degree It’s not so far from studying a math degree But it’s much more than just liking computers you also need to understand the technical stuff too
no u dont. I got lucky enough to start college in 2020 so i cheated my way through all my math classes and ive only come across basic algebra in the real world. But it all depends on what u end up doing as a swe@@teknul89
The biggest lie is that CS degree is intro for working as a programmer. In reality it's a way for expanding the knowledge if you're really interested about the topics.
I did a computer engineering degree, and almost done with my Master's as well, learning digital logic, assembly languages, operating systems, FPGAs, programming, etc.... .... but my day job is literally just writing Python code & scripts
Gone are the days when S in CS had a meaning... Why all those "CS majors" are so obsessed with jobs in the industry while they are supposed to advance Science?!?
I failed physics II twice and dropped out of CS and went IT, now i get paid to shitpost and play video games all day. Have fun with your daily scrum stand ups and teams meetings lol.
This video hits just as hard as the first time I watched it. I don't agree with every statement made, but I absolutely see where bigbox is coming from. I do understand the thought process behind the math courses college requires you take; Discrete has direct connections to how computers work, Calculus makes you have to think outside the box, and algebra is often just something someone should know the basics of. But I don't think the former two should be inherently required, especially if you're doing something like Web Dev. I think colleges should advise people to take those classes, maybe even pressure them to do so, but not force it on them. You can be amazing at all things programming and suck at math, and the opposite can be true too. Also, and tragically I don't think this is all too rare, you can be an ace at actual programming and still botch all the paper and pencil tests, cause they'll be hyperspecific with things you've never tested yourself, and or they'll give you some coding problem you have done, but have never seen written in a certain way. The college CS route is very shaky and could use more stability, there's no argument there, but I wouldn't say it's not worth pursuing still. Also, congrats on the sponsorship, you definitely deserve it.
I only took CS bachelors degree becoz I was out of time and option at that time. It took me many depressing years in the industry to realize what my true passion is. Now if only I could turn back the time :(
man scared off half the kids out there watching this in their first years and happily then moved off to talk about his sponsor lmaoooo. loved the video btw
Actually I took Discrete Math in my 3rd year because my counselors screwed me over and gave me useless classes that didn't go towards my transfer credits.
I like that writing a piece of code on a piece of paper instead of your laptop to prove to your teacher that you've also become a robot is a universal experience for any cs masochist.
Well.. I am a CS major.. the first 2 years are filled with Hardware subjects and math.. almost everything we do, we have to do in C.. we write the compiler in the 2nd year.. we also did the GPU engine but that thing we did in C++ And we have team projects since year one.. and yeah the teammates just flee every time..
sounds more fun that me first two years straight up math math and more math... and also taking useless courses that have nothing to do with CS for example English like bruh
I dropped out 4 years ago, and now I'm a senior dev at a Fortune 500 company. If you have the motivation and ability to actually finish a BS in CS, don't. It's much more worth your time to develop your own project/product for a couple years, and then use that experience to get a job. At least, that's my experience.
I switched my major from CS to Computer Information Systems/IT and couldn't be happier. Still a LOT of work but no math. Well, a little math but nothing life changing.
I've been programming since i was 12 (I'm now a junior in highschool) and it's hard to imagine a world without programming. I don't know what other career I would even have.
4th year here, I'm just glad that my degree has software engineering in its name. We do a lot of practical expertise and teamwork as opposed to theory.
I'm just about finishing my second month into my software development degree and honestly, it's been pretty great though the lecturers don't really seem like they know what they're supposed to be teaching. Some of them seem like they don't even understand what they're teaching. The syllabus is also obsessed with making people do group assignments. And of course there are these elective subjects that everyone is forced to take, at least only for the first semester. I honestly thought I'd hate it more when I first started, but it's been quite enjoyable
for all the CS majors out there and college students in general. I'm 35 and I've worked as system admin, software engineer and currently a devops engineer....my degree was in marketing. You don't need the CS degree, and I'd argue you might not need the degree in general.
It's been a year since I got into college Majoring in Programming and web development and it's honestly not that bad you actually learn useful stuff and things you will use and we learn how to use react and SQL HTML CSS and JavaScript And PHP and mobile application development things that actually matter and the monthly allowance I get from my college is also a good thing
i was told you get to work at Salesforce and work 25-hour remote workweeks and show up in the office 2 days a month getting a master's making double how much I make fully remote.
As someone graduating in 2 weeks with my BS in Software Engineering this shit hit harder than a Mike Tyson punch to the gut. Unfathomable levels of accurate here
I opened this video in another tab and forgot about it, I clicked on it expecting a counter strike video but instead it gave me motivation to do stuff.
I am just starting my bachelor's degree in Computer Engineering, and I am glad that for the past 3 years I've been addicted to programming and computers, so I have a good notion of the basics and even some advanced topics to keep myself from going insane. I've done a lot of programming projects with C, C++ and C#, and recently I started doing a lot of experiments with embedded systems, AI and web development in general. I want to focus this first year to get an overview of all the content so when the time comes, I at least know a bit about the subject of matter so I'm not completely directionless.
@@thegreatestfan1984 Honestly I had no experience coding in high school and now I am confused to choose betn business administration/accounting or cs major! I want to pursue in abroad which will be more difficult to grasp
@@jd-hc1nb OK, I don't know, but I think that if you are interested in tech industry one way or another, cs would be a good choice, even though it is hard. You could try introductory online courses on programming to see if you are interested
I really enjoyed my university education. I studied theoretical physics. I never use anything from uni in my job except general critical thinking and problem solving skills. It was never my goal though. I was just psyched to be learning physics from experts in the field. Maybe if you all hate computer science so much you should think more deeply about what to do with your life rather than just following the money into the IT industry. There is more to life than that.
CS has been commodified by obnoxious tech-bros that just see it as a shortcut to an easy life and don't actually care or give a shit about anything, which is part of why every group project ends up with half the people disappearing. Fucking depressing being the only one in my program who actually wants to learn about things.
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my dumb ass though this was about counter strike majors
relatable
I wish I made your mistake, so I wouldn't have to be so painfully aware of my reality.
I thought the exact same and I was confused at first
same
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Remember y’all, when you get out of college, you better have 3-5 years of experience for those entry level jobs.
edit: damn, this comment blew up.
Y'all this is a game of who can stick with something the longest.
I'm a self-taught developer. I worked retail for 7 years. Then one day, a company gave me a chance. I went from $15 /hr to $60,000 /year.
All you need is one job. Not 10. Not 100. Just one job.
You need to fully commit yourself to becoming a developer.
Some people are lucky to get a job in 6-7 months while others (like myself) takes a few years. The race is with yourself. Stop taking advice from redditors in the programming space and stop going down this rabbit hole of "I give up" content. It's toxic and pessimistic. You don't need that energy at all.
Just build cool sh*t, then apply.
I recommend building something you can monetize.
Lmao I love seeing the LinkedIn job postings marked Entry-Level with any number of required years from 3-9, I stg sometimes those are senior positions too 😭
When you get out of college you just put down 8 years experience just to get past the computer.
You guys know that's 3-5 years or an equivalent degree right? Not both.
@@BTrain-is8ch I honestly don't know that because no one tells us that and I never see an HR person to clarify. All I was told is that different companies have different expectations and maybe even different definitions of what is equal to what.
And that maybe I should get my masters but I literally can't afford that.
@@NobleAbsinthe Every company I've ever worked for has been 3-5 years or an equivalent degree.
We're not interested in hiring someone with no background or experience but a BS CS or BSE SWE is perfectly fine.
I wouldn't recommend a masters. It'll probably cost you more in total (it's not just about tuition, it's more about the cost of spending another two years not working, picking up real world experience, and growing your compensation package) than it will add in value.
If you've got a BS in CS or SWE go ahead and apply to whatever entry level positions you like. You'll be fine.
When all your videos leave me optimistic and uplifted, this one actually gave me anxiety
Honestly same,this one felt very cinical and depressing
Yeah, I can't say it's not like how he said, but usually if you're willing to look where others aren't looking and be a little opportunistic (not in a finance kid way) you'll be ok, no one can guarantee FAANG or anything but if you love coding and don't need the first opportunity that comes your way and just explore your own interests and build your own style, you'll be ai.
Reality is that you just have to lie on your resumee and in interviews.
Why? Because everybody else is doing it. Recruiters expect it of you.
@@celestia4439 hes not exaggerating this is what its actually like lol
@@celestia4439 This was pretty much my experience lol
"Becoming a software engineer from a CS degree is kinda like becoming a chef from a chemistry degree."
Yep, that about sums it up.
Best phrase I’ve head
I mean there's gastronomy, never had it but from what I hear it's kind of like cooking with a chemistry degree and supposedly tastes amazing.
CS majors complaining about having to actually learn how software works is hilarious. No engineer has ever complained about having to learn differential equations or thermodynamics because the software at their job does it for them. Most people whining on UA-cam are asking for a coding bootcamp, not a university degree.
@@ironmatic1 do u have to understand all of automobile engineering and physics before you get your drivers license? I totally understand ur point but the way school (atleast a lot of them) go about teaching things is in CS is fairly not optimal
@@SethuSenthil IDK about driving, but I would 100% hope that the person building my car has an engineering degree and knows his/her physics! Just because software isn't usually life-or-death like many other engineering practices doesn't mean you shouldn't know the underlying math/science stuff. But you don't need a degree to buy an iPhone and use an app :)
As someone who graduated from a cs degree recently, I confirm this video is 100% accurate.
Idk why it's always FAANG or burger flipping. State has CS jobs and you can always do IT work
Sure, but they rather take someone without an CS degree for thos positions. Because otherwise they would be hiring smarter people than themselfes.
CS degrees are a meme.
@@codemaster4261At least in Germany the degree cost anything, so you don't have debt.
But yeah, you didn't go through this stuff to become a random fullstack guy for 60k. That's just insulting your intellect when you could do crazy AI stuff as well.
More likely you get 40k to install Windows and printer drivers on employees laptops.
60k is hilariously high for germany.
@@codemaster4261 Even German universities pay 60k for a fulltime PhD thesis in 2023. Just saying... Don't settle for less than public sector pay.
PS: I guess I'm good at installing Windows because IT support offers are hitting my LinkedIn like crazy 😂😂😂😂😂
“Using a CS degree to work as a developer for a social media company is like using a cannon to kill a fly” heard this quote from one of my professors and can confirm.
It it because it's hard to aim the cannon or is it because the cannon ball is so big that it will obliterate the fly?
how is that true though? social media companies must have complex algorithms that I assume take heavy development to squeeze as much time and involvement out of their users as possible, right? not like its a simple operation in the backend?
@@snaeshaads8203yes but it's not new or innovative so it is a waste of your skills
I've heard it's like studying metallurgy to become a welder.
@@snaeshaads8203 The thing is computer science is an incredibly broad and complex subject. The theory of it goes back to mathematics and even philosophy (the Halting Problem and the limits of what can ever be solved, etc), which has virtually nothing to do with how a compiler works, which itself has virtually nothing to do with how a typical modern web app works, which has nothing to do with machine learning, which has nothing to do with OS kernels, etc. In a degree you take courses touching on all of this stuff, plus math up to vector calculus, etc. But 95% of it is very, very removed from the actual day-to-day reality of software engineering. The term code monkey exists for a reason. Lots of people just write code, the same kind of code they've been writing for 10 years, without ever drawing on any of the broader theory underlying computer science. That said, if you work at FAANG or other top tier places, they will absolutely expect you to be a wiz at algorithms and whatnot, at least for your interview. How often it actually comes up in practice I suppose depends on the work you're doing. But I seriously doubt it's enough to justify the culture of grinding leetcode and the like that CS has. Also, despite CS being a pretty difficult degree, lots of employers barely care about your undergrad. Experience and acing the technical interview are what matter.
painfully accurate. CS at universities killed any passion I had for coding. Now I'm doing IT
man that sad. i'm in my second year trying to get into the cs program at my school and I'm realizing why I should switch my major
1st it doesn't feel like i have a passion for coding, sure messing around in coding is fun like making basic stupid codes of input or loops and whatnot but when it comes to learning new things i find it hard.
2) Amount of math u gotta do for cs. insane. just pure insane. not sure why i still chose cs after looking at math requirements. i realized if I'm struggling badly in calc, then calc 2, linear algebra and god forsaken discrete math will eat me up.
3) the hype and stigma of cs IMO was the reason why i chose it, everyone and their pet cat was doing cs and everyone was telling me to do it and ill be making 6 figures, high school me got convinced to do it, even knowing its gonna be hard, didn't realize how hard it is.
so now Im kinda annoyed on how I've spent so much time trying to get into a program i knew i wasn't gonna like in the first place lol
@@saltysweatyhandsbroo , i am from a pre med bg so should i come into this major or not?!😢
@@saltysweatyhandsyou should consider WGU, it's accredited and on-line, self paced, requires calculus 1 and 2 discrete math classes. All that extra math is dumb AF for CS, it really is, especially school's who require CS students to take the same series of math as engineering students. Tbh it's dumb ASF for most engineering majors as well besides electrical engineering and computer engineering sort of, civil engineering etc. Nobody uses that shit in industry... And people who do use it, are using very powerful calculators to solve those kind of problems (not talking like hand held calculators either). But yeah, give WGU a look if all those math classes got you down. That or just stick it out.
@@hooriyaansari2961nope med better
Oh so there are good careers in cs without coding too
3rd year in my degree right now... man this hits too close to home.
Same here.
true
Same here
save yourself, learn react, js
@@subid.majumdar react/js is way more fun and easier than C
"Being the most overqualified burger flipper" hit far too close to home.
I had to work in old navy until I got my first job lol
Buddy why in the world are you working as a burger flipper bruh
@@Dacc-wp2mf raised burger flipping job wages by a whopping $5/hr here in cali.
Im so happy you got the sponsorship :D Fully deserved.
thank you bro, could never get here without you. money goes straight back into channel for quality
Didn't even watch it lmao
you heard brilliant is sponsoring this video. You heard the word "brilliant", and that's enough marketing for brilliant@@icemine2418
Sponsorship for even more useless math lmfao
CS graduate here. I'm a game developer now and my final year project was a combination of computer vision, robotics, UI/UX, and application development. While I agree that it was drag to get through undergrad but it was worth it for me. One thing is for sure, unless you actually like computers and math, CS is gonna be a very difficult degree to pursue.
For sure. Way too many people are in CS because they saw an influencer say it's easy money (not true), like video games, lack social skills and decided to lean into the stereotype, or for other half baked reasons. Most don't graduate, and those who do are doomed to a career of mediocrity at best.
How can I contact you, if you're willing to talk to a 2nd year SWE student? I read your comment and can see that you're very passionate about what you're doing. I have some questions about the career and I'd like to know your opinion on those. Thank you :).
@@FabriGLiza So youtube apparently doesn't let you comment with an ad block on. Been trying to reply to you.
@@ziebplew mediocrity still pays the bills.
Hello, do you think it’s feasible for a student to work while studying for a CS degree? My father has already expressed how he is not going to be helping with any expenses while I’m in college and I know I will have to take loans out but I still need money for living expenses and books.
I just graduated with my CS degree and cybersecurity minor. I landed a job immediately afterward as a pentester, but I'm training to move over to the red team. I would say the thing that actually gave me real-world experience and is the sole reason why I have a job now is that I did a Summer internship as a cybersecurity architect, but I established connections with everyone by reaching out to them. I would say this is the surefire way to get your resume built up with real-world experience that employers want to see.
Hi there brother! Congratulations on landing a pen tester job!! I am also interested in red teaming and I am currently in my 3rd year of CS degree. Could you help me by telling me some kind of pathway or resources that could help me??
@@worldofgamers4316 Brilliant, I just so happen to have researched into this a little bit yesterday. If you google "programming intern job", google will show you jobs from like linked in and indeed, and if you're a 3rd year, you probably meet many of their qualifications. I'm not taking courses yet but it's nice to know that there's plenty of room when I start.
Also interested in pen testing, Hack the Box is a great free place to start but you get price-walled so fast it's not even funny. What you really need is real world experience in linux command line, which you get from 1) using linux daily on your PC, and 2) maintaining some sort of server, doesn't matter what it is or how it runs, if it does run and keeps running then you're successful. The more stuff you run (game servers, ftp, databases, imap stuff) the more you will be familiar with pen testing tools.
Yeah if there's one thing CS students should know it's internships are everything. Get as many as you can with the best companies you can. And make connections with your coworkers. In other engineering fields your degree matters a lot, in CS it really doesn't. It's all experience and being a god at leetcode and technical interviews.
Graduated 4 years ago and work as a senior devops engineer now. This is accurate. Get as many internships as you can while you’re in college. These are the real entry level jobs that will build up those ”years of experience” for a real job after graduation. GPA will only matter for internships and your first job. Do a leetcode challenge or whatever once a day and you’ll be miles ahead of most people.
I'm using Freecodecamp to learn some web development, is that similar to Leetcode?
As a senior computer science major, the two most important things I’d recommend are maintaining a good gpa/ learning from your classes, and getting internships. It may take a few extra curriculars or projects, but once you get your first internship in your freshman or sophomore summer, you’re setting yourself up for a lot of future success.
Absolutely. Internships as early as possible are far and away the best way to get ahead.
Internships in freshman or sophomore summer in this market😂😂😂. Good luck lol
You make it sound easy. Nobody wants freshman or sophomore for their internships
@@briannaalejo9226Freshman here, just got offered a paid summer CS internship by a local startup company. Gotta put in effort to get the internships
I'm not going to say it's easy especially since I did it like 2 years ago, but I did have to apply like 20 times before even being interviewed. It's low-key just a numbers game once your resume is good enough, but don't stop applying and getting feedback, and it's very possible to get an internship as a sophomore. Freshman is a little harder, but possible nonetheless.
My avg CS experience: study up to 16 hours a day for few weeks then get hospitalized for a week then as soon as you get out continue to grind for 5 upcoming final exams. Thank you GaTech ):)
I know this sounds sad and all that but this video actually gave me help. I'm 5 years into my degree. I decided was a bright idea to switch from chemistry to this, and while some bits are easier some, it's a bit more hard and I've been feeling a bit more lost as of late but seeing this video and seeing that my experiences were not exclusive to only me, it has made me feel so much better and helped me to go forward. I hope to finish my degree this year. Maybe get some more internships which have been neglecting. Thank you
It's my biggest mistake in life to get into cs without having any basis of programming it's so hard watching people that are better than u who put 2-4 years before joining the college
This and the fact that I’m a girl is why I’m considering not taking this major 😭
@@galaxygkm4696 why exactly is that relevant to not taking it?
@@rc8s Bro CS majors are like 85% male. And a lot of them are neckbeardy types. It's definitely a factor. A lot of companies in STEM fields want to hire women, but socially it can definitely be rough.
And there are tons of people who don't have any background in computer science do well in their studies just like all those who have played around programming language(s) before starting degree in CS
stop comparing yourself to others and you'll be a lot happier
I am struggling with my CS and math classes and dread my GE classes, especially bio and communication. My biggest problem is that I need to spend more time studying math and CS. Honestly, I get very intimidated to start studying because I know how hard math and CS are, which stops me from advancing my math and CS skills. But it also feels so good and satisfying to overcome my struggles, and I know how to do better. I need to practice more and stop being lazy, but that's easier said than done. I wish colleges and universities could update their courses and actually care about their students' success because this is ridiculous. Though employers are starting to be more accepting of people who don't have a CS degree, your chances of getting a job in CS are still higher than those without a degree. Employers still need to check their stupid checklist.
i agree with you so much. same boat as you, I struggle with math and started to take my first cs course. hate how other classes get in the way. when i truly start to grasp, i have to do work for other classes. its an endless cycle of falling behind and catching up for me
math and CS ain't that hard. if you can't solve these problems that has been solved before, what makes you think you can solve problems in the real world? think about that.
Change major then, cs is all about math and algorithms
I went to a libral arts college with a brand new CS program that was the bright idea of a brand new professor. It was amazing, awesome theory, every course was fun, interesting, and inspiring to everyone who took them. Attracted tons of people from neighboring programs just because of the teaching quality. People weren't super well prepared for industry work, but they did well in industry anyways, due to generally having good educational backgrounds. I was horrified when I went to grad school at a large public school and saw the undergrad CS program there. Pure, endless grind to no purpose or direction. Horrible. No respect for student's time or energy. No respect for first principles learning or theory. No room for experimental or exploratory projects.
why does every cs video help destroy my best intentions heading into college
because life is hard. you go to college, its hard. you dont go to college, its also hard. choose your path and stop watching youtube, if you all you're planning to do is bring yourself down.
There is no work easy in life just hard that's reality
Because its the reality. You'll also find plenty of videos saying how there are plenty of jobs because they're selling shovels (cs content), but the Software gold rush is over.
If software engineering is genuinely your passion you'll do fine. Just don't half ass it, and get as many internships as you can with recognizable companies. That said, CS courses and actual software engineering are quite different. Make sure you actually like the job you'll be doing. If you're iffy on it after a year or two I'd switch to a different engineering major. Most other stem fields respect your degree way more and don't have nearly as demanding technical interviews.
@@seaweed428 that's one of the realest things I've ever seen in a UA-cam comment.. well said o7
As a CS fresh graduate, I can seriously relate to the stress part. I have autoimmune thyroiditis and it basically gets worse with stress and lack of sleep, by the end of my final year my thyroid hormones and antibodies were so out of wack that I was awfully tired all day and had trouble concentrating. It was almost physically impossible for me to have a full-time job so I decided to have some time off just resting and look for a job later. It's 6 months later now and I'm still studying and looking for a job.
3rd year CS Major here, and my major has done nothing but push me away from programming.
University CS programs need a major refresh, seriously.
you chose a science degree for programming? lol
@@anon1963 a lot of people assume CS would be about programming. Boy are they(including me) wrong!
And I didn’t and still don't have the luxury of changing my major, so I'm stuck with it.
@@mahmud1019yes I was wrong as well. advanced math slapped me really hard. but hey I did some research about how all that math and physics will help me and I decided to roll with it
Computer science is not there to teach you to be a programmer. It's to teach you computer science. Don't know why you expected any different
@@manofsteel9051 where I'm from there are not many people who try to clear this misconception. I wish they did and even 4 years ago this topic wasn't as widely discussed as it is now. I hope you understand how I fell into this. Lack of widespread knowledge and lack of research on my part. If I had known better, I would've picked Software Engineering as my major.
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it seems like yesterday when i first saw your video on the mindset of successful programmers
you've come a long way bigbox, congratulations!
much love bro, i hope to make you proud. :)
@@bigboxSWE you make me proud with every new upload, keep doing this bro
One option is to skip the degree and debt completely. I don't have a CS degree. I got an A+ cert and got an entry level desktop support job. I have worked my way up from there, while self learning part time. 7 years later I am a Lead DevOps Engineer at a global 500 earning more the 150k base salary with up to a 32% bonus.
Shots fired!! Haha, I don’t agree, but this made me laugh about how out of touch education is to the real programming world. Good content as always!
It's more that Computer Science is no longer strongly related to programming. Software engineering courses are, shockingly, more about software engineering than it is computer science.
This is the equivalent of being shocked that physics isn't a great degree for learning the skills to get a job as a mechanical design engineer.
Care to elaborate a bit?
Yeah, all my professors think at my job I'll be talking with my supervisors about Finite-Automatons and benefits of the Waterfall model for SW development
@@Kilian2computer science is a science subject, which means it has to, by definition, talk about the science parts that relate to computers. Programming happens to be one of them.
Software engineering is the study of building software using certain principles, similar to how circuit engineering is the study of making circuits using certain principles.
Software engineering is about software creation done from an engineer's perspective. It has a lot of programming because it's about software. Computer science is about the science of computers, of which programming is a small subset only.
You know, these comments have really shined a light on something. It’s made me realize some assumptions I (and many others) assume. These replies are arguing the case that computer science and getting a degree is strictly an academic approach, but the disconnect is many go into it with the intent of preparing for the job market.
The math is exactly why I dodges CS for a business degree in information systems. Now I job is like an many-in-one combo with network, servers, systems and support. There’s many tech job out there that doesn’t need as much grind while also giving out decent paycheque.
would an IT degree also be good?
@@galaxygkm4696 is there really a IT degree?
How much pay?
One of the most frustrating things about my CS program was that certain capstone courses were only offered every other semester. Lots of students in my dept had to extend their grad date by a year just for that one course (Object oriented design), and because of the infrequency of the class, it would fill up like instantly when enrollment opened. I had to convince my counselor to honor a 5000-level software development lifecycle class to fulfill that class requirement because I was moving after what was supposed to be my last full time semester. Luckily, that class actually taught me about jira and unit testing and other things my uni thought weren't important.
This is crazy. Our university teaches us unit testing in the first year. Who on earth thought it was a good idea to leave unit testing for the last year?
As someone who got a CS degree in 1972, this makes me glad I started in a simpler time. Most of these languages and concepts hadn't even been invented yet. And we really, really, really had to know what made the computers work (and how to fix them). Most programs today wouldn't even fit on a 1972 computer. The whole university mainframe only had 750 kilobytes of ram and disks only held 59 Megabytes each.
Your channel is everything I've been looking for, and I found you from a Hamza comment section. I'm a high school senior about to go to college for a CS degree but have been feeling so demotivated as I have "nothing to code". Thank you for what you do bro
As someone who recently graduated with a CS degree, this video is 100% accurate.
I now work in a construction company as an assistant timekeeper lmao.
dw not everyone gets a job in their field of study straight away. happens to a lot
Oh lord these comments, kinda makes me wanna let go of university lol
what r u studying?@@siberian-coco20
"straight away" unless u know someone, get lucky with an apprenticeship, or make some successful app no one is gonna want someone who graduated years ago and has no experience in their field@@playversetv3877
@@siberian-coco20same..
You’re so right about Intro weeding out people😂 I took it and was like aw hell no I ain’t doing this for another 4 years and dipped to business
i was in business and i couldnt stand it so i switched to cs, still hate it but at least its somewhat interesting and doesn't bore me to death
bro this shit looks fun to me. I rather sit at a desk coding over dealing with other shit. There are certainly harder paths in life than CS.
@@hotman718 yeah that’s what I thought too bro until you realize it’s impossible and there’s never an end to what you have to learn. I mean if you understand it though then kudos to you
@@clintn.kildepstein1656 so it's kinda like music. You can learn and get good but your only ever scratching the surface on what you can learn
@@hotman718good for you. I believe you’ll succeed in this industry. Don’t slack off and don’t give up when things get hard. Every problem can be solved. Also keep learning, new tech comes out every single day so you have to constantly adapt to new frameworks and changes. But it can be a lot of fun once everything clicks and you build a project you’re proud of and it’s working.
The experience of getting the degree is spot on but if you aren't trying to throw your life away to get into FANG, the job market afterward isn't nearly as bad a depicted. It's still pretty hardscrabble right now with the economy tilting toward recession and interest rates being sky high, but it's still a better market for CS majors than most other majors.
So what's your advice?
@@DonaldFranciszekTusk get job
@@shaansingh6048 * where job *
I flunked computer systems twice, god that was hell. Most of the people in my CS class are now working in other fields right now, so I suppose I'm one of the few lucky ones to even land a job after getting a CS degree.
Computer architecture (the same thing, just called that at my school) was definitely hell.
@@RandomNoob1124 As a new student, I couldn't agree more
Doing Computer Organization and Operating Systemd rn. Wanna kms probably gonna fail
@@colinseguin9651 Im taking both classes at a community college right now, and both of them are the easiest classes ever. Why is that? Well 1. they're online 2. My OS class is just full of easy labs 3. My Comp Org class class never has homework posted. I guess I lucked out by going to a CC instead huh
computer systems, assembly language, and discrete math separates the pack. congrats!
I graduated with my computer science degree recently (with zero college debt, yay!), and this is terrifyingly accurate.
no debt? howww?
@@oscarthomas1974 Scholarships and working my through school. Oh, and living with my parents so that I don't have to pay housing fees. :D
@@gold4963 Good for you! Hope you can land a decent jobs, dont worry about not getting one, just strive to be better, wish you good luck, stranger.
how's the jop markte? i want to join CS but idk if its still worth it or meh
@@Mandq. same
Fundamentals of programming weeded me out of university, not because I didn’t like what I was learning, but because I was way too slow to keep up and actually be able to turn in my assignments in time. On top of that, the debt is crazy and I’m tryna have money to spend on things that actually help.
Be happy about that. I finished top of my class, but can not land a job.
@@codemaster4261 You got this! That’s not an easy feat and definitely shows you have what it takes to get there, keep at it!
@@codemaster4261what projects did you build for clients that turned a profit?
@@codemaster4261Just Graduated. I fear this might happen to me as well.
@@codemaster4261hey did u lanf a job? r u based in US?
When I was in my college, they did not taught us anything only take exams and attendance , my college used to teach Qbasic, visual basic and Foxpro etc. very outdated software almost no use for industry, even in my university they teach about DBMS theory but they never teach about how to connect database to website or apps in full demo practical , that's why college are useless in computer science career. now I am learning everything by myself
yeah, the only thing u get out of it its people that are in the same path
I used to share your feelings for hand writing code and since grad school I have been note-taking on laptop. There is literature now that hand writing notes/diagrams leads to better understanding & retention. While my writing has suffered from atrophied muscles and have to keep track of notebooks I have rediscovered joy in hand writing notes.
There literature that says drinking your own piss is good, I guess you should get a glass ready.
As a kid with an Arch Linux Thinkpad in my second semester I'm thanking you for your confidence in me
Even though this is very true, If I had seen this video before starting my CS degree, I would have probably chickened out of it. Don’t be discouraged!
I went down the self taught route because i figured it would easier on my own time. fast forward 3 years later and its literally the most gratifying and exhausting thing I have ever attempted. It's no question harder than doing it through college or a boot camp because it's all on you so you end up in a lot of dead ends that lead nowhere forcing you to backtrack months to start over. That's why when ThePrimeagen mentioned if you wanna do it you have to REALLY want it I completely agreed with and the amount of engineers I met who seem to have their entire personality wrapped around programming is mind boggling. It's great cause you want people who are passionate about what they do in any field but it's just funny cause it's led to engineers being known for not having great social skills lmao.
So here where I live in Germany, intro to programming is only one semester. And many people I've talked with in the field have told me that the 3 years are really worth it to formalize the knowledge that you probably have, but do not fully understand. Also it's free here, so it's only wasted time not wasted money here
Wasted Time is a much bigger factor. Just going to uni in germany will not get you a job. You have to atleast work full time next to your studies. Because germany has almost no tech companies. Its mostly engineering. So most companies are just looking for a cheap workforce that does all their shitty IT work (sth a 13yo could do).
Additionally the quality of german universities are way below that of other countries. Professors have zero passion for their profession. Most only got into it, because their parents are academics. All they do is publish shit tier paper or do not even publish at all.
@@codemaster4261Yeah the German industry forces you to leave the country as a well educated programmer.
I wouldn't necessarily say that German universities are bad, but they produce some kind of useless 2nd tier researcher without practical programming experience companies wouldn't wanna hire for 100k+
@@marcotroster8247why would a graduate expect 100k salary? Try 30-40k first...
@@defaultdefault812 I have had a 3 year apprenticeship and 5 years of freelancing beforehand. I'm not a typical graduate.
Even public universities pay 60k for a fulltime PhD. So you shouldn't go below that salary IMO.
@@defaultdefault812 I agree, although 100k isn't even that much these days. GL living in SF, NYC, or LA on anything less than 100k/yr.
A CS student from India, this feels relatable at so many levels
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Hey do I was wondering as a fellow non American who knows nothing about tech
Do we have a chance of working to USA companies?
@@RayaIrshaid it is possible but it will require alot of hard work. You have to stand out from the crowd.
@@RayaIrshaid yup. If you work hard enough. If you have the skills they need then yeah you can.
Thank you. I've been watching this particular video every time I strugling with my degree. It just helps me a lot
Bruh, I'm legit fighting the DEEPEST urge to drop out of school. I know for sure I failed this second year. I'm in pain, I'm 25 and I proper have ZERO social life, not even discord or anything. A true recluse. I can't... I can't keep going like this.
Drop out, it's not worth it at 25. Go into cloud computing. Get some AWS/Azure/Salesforce certificates.
@@defaultdefault812bros giving out life advice like it’s candy
Man trust me keep pushing. I dropped out of uni and can't find shit in my country, I can't even pass hr barrier the competition is insane. I'm planning to go back to uni and get that cs degree and recommend you not giving up. Hold on for a few more years, is it too much for a better future? We can do it bro.
@@deniskremenetsky1370 thank you broski. This was the last week for registering for the new year and this was the push I needed.
2nd year student now, this man speaks facts 😀
I'm also in my 2nd year and the data structure is knocking me down. Also, there are rumors around the neighborhood about me doing something illegal in my house and only leave house mid night to grab some red bull at a nearby convenience store.
@@subarulenz1470that got dark really quick 😭🙏
@@subarulenz1470 yes data structures, took it thinking I'm gonna be a cs major, failed it now I'm not
Doing a CS degree was the BEST decision of my life. Did internships in my undergrad (Amazon, Microsoft and Snap) and was able to get a return offer before graduating. I was making $200k fresh out of college, now I'm making $350k.
@@rodolf5941 I am being 100% serious.
I knew of a few people like that in the CS course of the most prestigious university of my country, they're like top 0.01%, definitely not the average viewer lol
how were you able to get so many internships??? it’s literally impossible to land one nowadays
@@dankhatana5739 This was when the market was way better. Now everyone is majoring in CS and it's super saturated.
There is one piece of advice that i'd Like to give:
- regardless of what you do, make it look good in a PowerPoint presentation.
Selling you and your work is often more important than being able to write quality code.
So true lmao, my cs teacher said he and his team used to present a great mock-up to the clients if they didn’t finish the code, or just the program that worked under specific use cases😂
yup, now i know why your codes are so buggy.
And once all that is done you will get a job making 3 to 4 dollars above minimum wage working under a guy who never even went to college because he just watched 3 udemey tutorials and instead of elective courses he spent his time mastering the social skills needed to fool recruiters into thinking he has 15 years of development experience .
so you don't think it had anything to do with the fact that "guy" could perhaps solve real world problems you can't?or maybe while he was working he was studying hard?
As someone who graduated debt-free with a CS degree, this doesn't represent me, but it is funny 😁. I do think a lot of the classes weren't exactly the most useful.
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Where did you get your degree?
@@nothingimportant380Probably in Europe 🤔 ?
@@nothingimportant380 Brigham Young University, in Utah. Definitely great value for my money, but the classes were all over the place in how useful/helpful they were.
I’m going down the route of a general IT major while grinding on coding projects on the side outside of school, I’ve learned way more outside of college than in collage about programming and development tbh
exactly what I'm doing, switched from CS to IT and am learning programming outside of school which makes it much more interesting to me.
@@salem8909 exactly that’s the move, I originally switched from a cyber major to IT after my first semester and love programming way more w
How do you guys learn outside the school
@@B7k7n videos, forums, chatGPT, coding projects for things you genuinely want to build
So basically getting the degree to make you more attractive to your future employer i see
people that say classes aren't related to a major either havent experienced the real world yet or have a boring job where you think youre doing a lot but are doing the bare minimum compared to what can be done
Holy shit I'm so relieved to see someone finally acknowledge the stupidity of coding subjects on paper. I thought this was just some fever dream that only occurred at my university. SQL, C++, Java, Python, Algorithms and data structures... all on paper.
its nice to know i spent all that time just to get a job where "i wont code at all, they just wanted someone with an engineering degree". thats what happens when you dont get internships or real experience before graduation, i can only blame myself but dont get into cs unless you can handle it and the extra shit you need to do to distingiush yourself amongst a sea of smart tryhards.
The Abdul Bari part hits diff 🥲
My son's approach: He is majoring in computer engineering instead of CS and therefore gets more digital hardware exposure. He also plans to apply for jobs at defense contractors, which eliminate competing with non-US citizens as well as US citizens that do not want to work for defense contractors or cannot get secret clearance due to failing the background checks. The Navy is also paying 100% for his CE degree, so he will have no debt once he starts working.
As a comp sci grad I feel that computer science is what you do if you are ok at math but not good enough to be a Math or Physics degree, and are not good enough at the other formal sciences to get an Engineering degree, and maybe you like computers but know jack about hardware.
It is the construction worker of the sciences but it can pay well and is totally worth it.
You can’t be ok to math if you have this degree you must know a lot of math to complete this degree otherwise everyone would have had this degree
It’s not so far from studying a math degree
But it’s much more than just liking computers you also need to understand the technical stuff too
no u dont. I got lucky enough to start college in 2020 so i cheated my way through all my math classes and ive only come across basic algebra in the real world. But it all depends on what u end up doing as a swe@@teknul89
Idk I do mechanical engineering from what ive seen from people that do CS its at best the same difficulty, at worst harder.
I watched the entire video thinking it was Fireship. Its only at the end when he told I realized its a completely different channel. Great Job!
writing code on paper and then dry running it. This makes it easier to understand imo.
Im in Calc 2, discrete math, programming and computer architecture right now. Its not that bad, this guy is just trying to scare you.
you haven't done 200 leetcode questions yet
The biggest lie is that CS degree is intro for working as a programmer. In reality it's a way for expanding the knowledge if you're really interested about the topics.
When he said real production level code is spagetthi react,i felt that
"working unpaid overtime for supervisors that don't care"
Feels REALLY relatable...
I did a computer engineering degree, and almost done with my Master's as well, learning digital logic, assembly languages, operating systems, FPGAs, programming, etc....
.... but my day job is literally just writing Python code & scripts
Gone are the days when S in CS had a meaning... Why all those "CS majors" are so obsessed with jobs in the industry while they are supposed to advance Science?!?
Becaus college is too expensive to go to learn for the sake of learning
@@carsongrant3515those who are put off by the cost of the knowledge do not deserve the knowledge. And do npt deserve any respect.
@@vitalyl1327 except the same knowledge is free on the internet, which is where I end up teaching myself 90% of the time while I do my schooling
@@carsongrant3515 knowledge without structure does not absorb into a coherent system.
First year my CS class had 100 people. Senior classes had less than 12 people.
I failed physics II twice and dropped out of CS and went IT, now i get paid to shitpost and play video games all day. Have fun with your daily scrum stand ups and teams meetings lol.
This video hits just as hard as the first time I watched it. I don't agree with every statement made, but I absolutely see where bigbox is coming from. I do understand the thought process behind the math courses college requires you take; Discrete has direct connections to how computers work, Calculus makes you have to think outside the box, and algebra is often just something someone should know the basics of. But I don't think the former two should be inherently required, especially if you're doing something like Web Dev. I think colleges should advise people to take those classes, maybe even pressure them to do so, but not force it on them. You can be amazing at all things programming and suck at math, and the opposite can be true too. Also, and tragically I don't think this is all too rare, you can be an ace at actual programming and still botch all the paper and pencil tests, cause they'll be hyperspecific with things you've never tested yourself, and or they'll give you some coding problem you have done, but have never seen written in a certain way. The college CS route is very shaky and could use more stability, there's no argument there, but I wouldn't say it's not worth pursuing still.
Also, congrats on the sponsorship, you definitely deserve it.
I only took CS bachelors degree becoz I was out of time and option at that time. It took me many depressing years in the industry to realize what my true passion is. Now if only I could turn back the time :(
Clicked on this video and realized "Wait, this is not about the Counter Strike tournaments..."
man scared off half the kids out there watching this in their first years and happily then moved off to talk about his sponsor lmaoooo.
loved the video btw
As a developer.. Don't.
0:37 i paused the video just to REALLY think about that 😢😢
and then there's me with no higher education degree but building portfolio projects and looking for job as front-end developer
How’s the hunt going??
Actually I took Discrete Math in my 3rd year because my counselors screwed me over and gave me useless classes that didn't go towards my transfer credits.
It's not as bad as the Electrical Engineering major, I experienced both worlds, switching to CS major was a relief.
How come?
I like that writing a piece of code on a piece of paper instead of your laptop to prove to your teacher that you've also become a robot is a universal experience for any cs masochist.
Well.. I am a CS major.. the first 2 years are filled with Hardware subjects and math.. almost everything we do, we have to do in C.. we write the compiler in the 2nd year.. we also did the GPU engine but that thing we did in C++
And we have team projects since year one.. and yeah the teammates just flee every time..
sounds more fun that me first two years straight up math math and more math... and also taking useless courses that have nothing to do with CS for example English like bruh
As someone about to graduate this is 100% true also it’s becomes literal hell if your a math minor/major
Taking algorithms rn trying to write proofs is slowly killing me
0:02 I came here to see Plainrock124
Graduated with CS Degree from one of the top universities in earth...
Been looking for a job for a year to date now...
It also took 6 years worth of classes to complete the degree
@@GoobNoob I hope you are now employed
I dropped out 4 years ago, and now I'm a senior dev at a Fortune 500 company. If you have the motivation and ability to actually finish a BS in CS, don't. It's much more worth your time to develop your own project/product for a couple years, and then use that experience to get a job. At least, that's my experience.
How are you a senior dev after 4 years of experience?
@@y4ni608He's lying that's why. Probably got a course ready to sell somewhere
@@y4ni608Skills
I switched my major from CS to Computer Information Systems/IT and couldn't be happier. Still a LOT of work but no math. Well, a little math but nothing life changing.
He's right about our educational system being out on touch with machines; soon as I saw that, I left and started teaching myself - doing great btw.
im happy for you.
I've been programming since i was 12 (I'm now a junior in highschool) and it's hard to imagine a world without programming. I don't know what other career I would even have.
am i the only one that clicked on this and thought he meant counter strike majors
4th year here, I'm just glad that my degree has software engineering in its name. We do a lot of practical expertise and teamwork as opposed to theory.
Thank god, finally longer content.
And me added it to watch later list 💀
I'm just about finishing my second month into my software development degree and honestly, it's been pretty great though the lecturers don't really seem like they know what they're supposed to be teaching. Some of them seem like they don't even understand what they're teaching. The syllabus is also obsessed with making people do group assignments. And of course there are these elective subjects that everyone is forced to take, at least only for the first semester.
I honestly thought I'd hate it more when I first started, but it's been quite enjoyable
Yeah, thats because most were forced to teach a class and often they could not even choose which class to teach.
So... you are starting...? Just you wait...
for all the CS majors out there and college students in general. I'm 35 and I've worked as system admin, software engineer and currently a devops engineer....my degree was in marketing. You don't need the CS degree, and I'd argue you might not need the degree in general.
It's been a year since I got into college Majoring in Programming and web development and it's honestly not that bad you actually learn useful stuff and things you will use and we learn how to use react and SQL HTML CSS and JavaScript And PHP and mobile application development things that actually matter and the monthly allowance I get from my college is also a good thing
depends on which college you are in
*Notice how you major was not ‘Computer Science’*
@@andiuptown1711yeah let's gate keep people wanting to get an education.
You're not doing computer science...
Its been a full year since I graduated with masters degree… i’m still unemployed, in debt and lost :) highly recommend going to uni
i was told you get to work at Salesforce and work 25-hour remote workweeks and show up in the office 2 days a month getting a master's making double how much I make fully remote.
1:55 that fireship reply tho
I gave up computer science after 2 years, litterally wasted 2 years for nothing
My Life is ruined
Why
As someone graduating in 2 weeks with my BS in Software Engineering this shit hit harder than a Mike Tyson punch to the gut. Unfathomable levels of accurate here
I opened this video in another tab and forgot about it,
I clicked on it expecting a counter strike video but instead it gave me motivation to do stuff.
I am just starting my bachelor's degree in Computer Engineering, and I am glad that for the past 3 years I've been addicted to programming and computers, so I have a good notion of the basics and even some advanced topics to keep myself from going insane.
I've done a lot of programming projects with C, C++ and C#, and recently I started doing a lot of experiments with embedded systems, AI and web development in general. I want to focus this first year to get an overview of all the content so when the time comes, I at least know a bit about the subject of matter so I'm not completely directionless.
I do not enjoy programming, I am not fascinated by computing and I'm studying a cs major
And how's feeling?
@@jd-hc1nb not good . I really want to switch major
@@thegreatestfan1984 Honestly I had no experience coding in high school and now I am confused to choose betn business administration/accounting or cs major! I want to pursue in abroad which will be more difficult to grasp
@@jd-hc1nb do you have any idea/plan what you want to do after your bachelor's?
@@jd-hc1nb OK, I don't know, but I think that if you are interested in tech industry one way or another, cs would be a good choice, even though it is hard. You could try introductory online courses on programming to see if you are interested
I really enjoyed my university education. I studied theoretical physics. I never use anything from uni in my job except general critical thinking and problem solving skills. It was never my goal though. I was just psyched to be learning physics from experts in the field.
Maybe if you all hate computer science so much you should think more deeply about what to do with your life rather than just following the money into the IT industry. There is more to life than that.
Ps I enjoyed the mathematics too. There is nothing more intellectually satisfying than solving math problems.
CS has been commodified by obnoxious tech-bros that just see it as a shortcut to an easy life and don't actually care or give a shit about anything, which is part of why every group project ends up with half the people disappearing. Fucking depressing being the only one in my program who actually wants to learn about things.