I graduated last year in June (Data Science), had an interview with Google for a position called "Software Engineer, Early Career" same month. 3 weeks later they told me I passed on Monday, sent me the form to fill out where I'd want to work and in what area, and by Wednesday, my recruiter calls me telling me because of the hiring freeze, I'd no longer be considered. Because I had no internship experience it was impossible to find anywhere to even get an interview at. Ended up working at a contracting company at the beginning of this year, and I'm lucky enough to be put on one of the few client projects where I can get professional experience with Python / REST APIs / AWS. My uni has a STEM career fair in October I'm going to, hoping for some luck there.
contracting companies are where its at. low pay but they're usually small, so if you can manage to snag an internal referral, you're set. I'm a first year compsci/comp engineer fresh out of high school and somehow successfully pulled a casual position doing full stack webdev with an internal referral. target the small contract firms with your cha-risma my friends they love anyone who can oversell, that's their entire business model
Go to it because those career fairs are the one thing that most people don't have access to. Don't BS them either, companies are smart to read a resume and realize it's built on BS. It's good you say this because people out there complaining about the job search are ones who apply to the Fang companies, get rejected and told there's only senior positions...well duh so many people are working for them and all talent is being wasted on those companies when there is the heavy industrial and companies that provide accounting software to other business where programmers who know about accounting can apply their programming skills there. It's not hard to understand yet people just don't get it
Back in 2000, the word was that the Silicon Valley was full of entry-level jobs. I went though job listings for every company and couldn't find one single job posting for less than 2-years of experience. So, the explanation was that companies don't post the entry-level positions. Then, the advice became to apply for 2-years of experience jobs, sell your skills, and someone will hire you. Then, the explanation became that I was stupid or lazy.
I've seen the same thing with IT. Went from "you have a degree. Use that for your experience" to "just keep applying. Someone is bound to hire you!" to "have you considered volunteering your skills for experience?" to "maybe you just don't want this badly enough? You should be more ambitious!"
@@barondystopia Yeah, you're not searching hard enough. You're not being persistent. You must not be answering their questions right. You need to sell your skills. You have the routine of a chronic unemployed. You have a negative attitude. Use school projects as experience. Attitude is everything. The job market isn't terrible. It's all in your head. Employers aren't demanding experience. It's all in your head. There's always job openings. You just have to grab one. You need to go out and make it happen. You're not looking for a job in the right places. Get into an organization doing anything and then get the job you want. Go work for the state. They're always hiring. You're not networking. You're out of the loop. Everything is going to work out in the end. Don't worry. Be happy.
@@michaeln.2383 lol that might have sounded like it was aimed towards you. It wasn't. I was speaking generally. Based on your comment, people always assume it's our fault. But the job market is tough
Network and Sysadmins or DevOps Engineer aren't entry level roles. Help Desk or Desktop Support are entry level. You start on the Help Desk and work your way up. I'm both a Linux Sysadmin and a T4 Field Tech. Most of my Linux experience came from self taught and running a home labs. I started on the Help Desk and worked my way up just like Network Chuck. No college degree or certifications.
@@eman0828 College really can't make an engineer.. They kind of just do it themselves, it's why a lot of compsci majors end up in sales or outside of the industry.
@@josho9910 yup. College degrees are over rated. Having the right skill sets and experience is what employers are looking for these days. Many DevOps Engineer and Cloud job postings even removed college requirements all together as they place more emphasis on experience. Like I tell people, only go to college if you plan on becoming an Electrical Engineer, Medical Doctor, Lawyer or Nurse.. other than that most college degrees are useless and a waste time and money going to massive amounts of debt.
This is why I just lie about my experience. The construction company one of my buddies ran out of his garage? Yeah I ran the entire IT department (1 laptop 1 printer) there for 3 years. I have 3 years of IT management experience.
This is the SAME exact thing that happened to STEM degree science majors when companies said they need more scientists. Come to find out there were no jobs.
bingo, I studied chem engineering and there was a big demand, come to find out either you intern in college or you will never work as a chem eng because there are no entry lvl jobs, 10 yrs later still working as a lab tech, 3 interviews in those 10 yrs, for other lab tech jobs 😂, still at my first job
One of the biggest issues is also the increasing tech stack, I personally have 11+ years of experience, and broke 6 figures over 4 years ago. So getting a job in IT for me is no issue, the problem is new jr. Devs have hurdles that didn't exist when I joined the tech scene in 2012. Now cloud expertise is now becoming mandatory, it is no longer good enough just to understand a programming language, you must have a much deeper repertoire in order to compete in todays market. And building in the cloud requires additional set of knowledge that just wasn't needed over a decade ago.
Thanks for the insight, I am as a fact imediatly picking up on it literally as I write this. I recently graduated computer engineering this year and I've been applying but it is truly like a void, not even any interviews. Resorted to practicing and coming up with projects and things I wanted to do just to not atrophied. If you have any more feed back or recomendations, I would greatly apretiate it.
@@blasandresayalagarcia3472 Good luck buddy. Honestly, if you want to go into a field that is still hiring: go into ServiceNow. I work with multiple companies and they were all looking for ServiceNow staff. You can move laterally from ServiceNow into almost any field because ServiceNow will touch most things if you know where to look. To sum up what ServiceNow is: it's basically a front end to a database, but the website can tie into lots of other systems and has back end programming, so you can make it do whatever you want. Companies use it as the storefront for all their systems. - Want to automatically create a user in AD and get it authorised by HR and the manager - ServiceNow - Want to fix a broken server - ServiceNow - Want to store user HR records - ServiceNow - Want to track the servers - ServiceNow - Want to log all the change requests - ServiceNow - Want to order a laptop - ServiceNow If I were starting at the bottom, its a great way to get in a very quickly move on/up/across.
I feel even lucky I was hired by a contractor program that taught my cohort AWS I AM User, EC2 Instances, plus some Docker. I was laid off recently, but at least now I can throw those on my resume combined with my software developer experience, lol.
As a Senior developer, let me tell you that it's tough as well: more requirements, less pay, more competition... the market in 2023 is very different to previews years.
Tell me about it... I get tons of emails, but all the salaries are what entry to mid level used to be and they're all asking for 10+ years of experience.
If you don't get a job as a developer start applying for an IT support it's easier to get and build connections during your first year and you will get something
no no no no - pls do not do this, this was my plan. 5 years of IT support later, full of quals but no company wants to give up a good support tech for a junior dev(worked at 2 law firms and a large bank). the pay is literally half what you would get as a dev, and the general attitude most staff have towards IT support is ridiculous, I have now stepped away from support all together. applying for jobs you will find that showing you can work in a office based environment on team projects can come in handy, however I would focus everything you have on getting that apprenticeship/internship over taking a entry level job in a service desk or 1st line support
This is why I feel terrible for jobs in which your education does not count as experience. For example, me being a pilot took me getting all my certificates and ratings that all took hours to get. Even my training alone for all these took about 230 hours for me. This COUNTS as experience because it was me flying while learning a new plane or certificate. This still counted as experience because I was doing the flying.
@@Jadddddddddddddddddd who? I'm doing my Master's of Computer Science; no bootcamper could EVER do what I do without a Degree. The amount of background knowledge I have from my bachelor's dwarf's a self-taught or bootcamper particularly when I'm designing systems for NON-Websites; I'm designing propulsion systems, electrical systems, at work. You will never have the math and physics background to compete in cutting edge technology beyond some App for Social Media without a degree
@@Jadddddddddddddddddd that's extremely easy. program utilizing triple integrals to encode and display a 3-d dimensional conical sphere with a variable mesh for turbulent and laminar airflow at 0ft sea level 10,000ft sea level, 40,000ft sea level that resembles a windshield. Good luck moron. I hold a Mechanical Engineering degree/Minor in Aerospace Bachelors and my inprogress Masters in Computer Science I would run circles around you morons in the actual engineering world.
@@lks11guess what, most jobs dont give 2 shits if you can design and launch a rocket into space, especially if your obviously inflated ego comes along with it. What you may have in a math and physics background i'd guess you lack in receptiveness and teamwork which matter much more for any job that doesnt tie directly to math and physics(most of them). Our company hires self taught developers. I lead a team as a self taught developer. Drop the ego and you'll do better in the job search and life in general.
your math and physics knowledge and skills would only apply when applying for data science roles, anything else - no one cares. I have no degree and i know how to do full data engineering ETL work, can code in python and sql and understand cloud. These are the only skills required for a data engineering, for software of course a different stack - all that matters is real life experience. A student with a cs degree will not get a job like that, i know some who are waiting tables as they search for jobs. In the uk, students have the opportunity to go straight into work (apprenticeship) after high school, they have a better opportunity than you with a degree@@lks11
As a senior engineer, the market isn't easy. The market is crazy this year. Things will pick back up in the fall. Keep learning as you said in the video
i'm a data engineer/senior sdet and I see a lot of my staff/principal and senior or mid-level engineer friends and colleagues getting laid off. brilliant people who are having trouble finding jobs for 6+ months. one who i think is particularly brilliant took 4 months! and she's the kind of person who had always been swept up in less than a week. the process is slow and broken. plus the second half of fall is the holiday season, which is super tough to get a job because everyone's on vacation. :(
Graduated in 2020 as an adult student to boost my income. Before college I worked 3 jobs around the clock. Now, I still work 3 jobs around the clock. Little did I know, even with 17 years of work experience and now a degree, I am considered the same as a child who is starting out because I am a new grad and I didn't work in that field. The system is broken.
there are few entry level jobs IRL. Entry level workers used to do very basic tasks. All of that stuff has gotten automated away. Now you need people to make the type of decisions you legitimately need experience to make. It's actually a societal issue that goes beyond "capitalism bad"
I've been searching for months for a video like this and finally someone made one. Seems like not many UA-camrs make videos on the negative side of becoming a web developer these days because it ruins their advertiser/sponsorship pay which is fueled by hype. Great video. Very cool project.
I am in the exact same boat. One issue I am finding though is staying motivated to continuously learn something when you’re labor, efforts and time investment are never rewarded. The other compounding thing to this is the fact that coming up with any form of useful idea or project is extremely difficult, which yet again has a high probability of being swept under the rug with no reward leaving you with yet another chunk of your life gone and making no further economic progress. This is shockingly bad for young people. We want to work. Many of us went to school because we thought we’d get an above average salary and be able to keep growing and earning. Sure it’s awesome if you couldn’t live another day in your life without coding, but some (most) people view their career as a vehicle which will transport them up the socioeconomic ladder more quickly so they can have a normal and decent standard of living.
@@KamrynB agreed. if money is the focus, then that's not much of a good sustainable motivator. find a problem, and solve it the best way you can, however way you see fit
@@FableCountryI disagree. Most of these problems don't stem from "I need more money I'm so greedy" it comes from "i need more money, I wanan move out of this shitty one bedroom apartments i share with 4 other roommates"
I graduated in summer 2022, and thankfully I had a job lined up pretty much right out of school. The main reason I got the job was because my dad knew the manager and was able to schedule an interview, thankfully, I prepared myself the best I could and got the job. The main points I got from my experience: Connections are very important, if not, necessary. Just this past month one of our interns brought in a guy for an interview he knew, and now he’s hired on as well. Do everything you can to network and make sure you are prepared because an opportunity might come up unexpectedly. Everyone needs IT, so don’t be scared to look in different industries for software dev or even IT jobs, getting your foot in the door is the hardest part. Once you’re in, like Devy said, keep yourself sharp so you can leverage all your experience to ace an interview.
Seems like people who are into swe are getting into cybersecurity and cloud based systems like AWS / Salesforce. I like to get into software engineering on a web development focus but looks like it’s getting quite saturated these days. I totally agree even entry level roles require 1-2 yrs experience.
It's true that not everyone ends up working in the field they studied for, and many people do transition to different careers, including marketing. People's career paths can vary widely based on their interests and opportunities.
Ill give some advice that did help me. I was completely self taught, not bootcamp, no nothing. I had worked in IT at a hardware level but my background was in healthcare. I built a website from scratch JS, Bootstrap 3, HTMl, and some Css. The site that got me interviews was a website i made that was almost like a personal trainer. You could create workouts in a calendar, and it would email , text, or both; those workouts to you on that calendar day. I built something that could be used by someone in a real business scenario. Thats my best advice is build something you think could be used. It could be an App, a low power OS, and API, just something actuallh usable.
That is probably the most major yet underrated advice for anything in SWE -- _always_ keep a nice portfolio of projects in the latest/greatest most popular XYZ current technologies handy and available for anyone to see.
Yeah but how long ago was this? I see this same advice worded differently everywhere but when you look around even people with 10/10 portfolios are getting ghosted
I think you are right that college CS is not *directly* teaching things like React or whatever tools are popular now, but it’s absolutely not useless. Knowing about analyzing algorithms, functional programming, design patterns are incredibly useful when learning the fad tech of the era
The problem is this breaks the economy long term because at some point those software engineers will retire and there is a lack of EXPERIENCED software engineers filling the gap. We have the same problem in many other fields.
Not just that, the field has a downright comical level of attrition due to how frustrating it is for any job with craftsmanship attached to it to be fullfilling in a corporate environment. We are literally seeing the same field bleed as ambulance drivers.
I notice that this video applies to all jobs not just tech of jobs that were entry level 20 years ago now require senior level experience but for entry level jobs. Most jobs even if they are entry level require 2 years of experience and you have to have knowledge of the job and what is expected than what the job requires.
Companies don't seem to want to invest or take the time to train new hires anymore. They expect you to come in after just acquiring your degree AND have 2-5 years of experience already under your belt. What is wrong with these CEOs? They don't make any sense!
@@SongofaBeach2012 that is a big chunk of the reason why I am 30 years old single never married no kids and still living with my parents in Lebanon. Very white republican town. Unless it’s or sales or fast food or retail or physical labor there’s nothing here. I finally got my bachelors during the pandemic when it started in 2020.
Not in SWE, but in cybersec. Landing my first job after grad was an absolute struggle and I got it because i got LUCKY. I was unemployed for a year and a half.They only took notice because of my location and how close I was.
It's not only that entry level positions that are affecting, but the nature of tech is sooooo unprofessional. I waited a whole month to get my Amazon panel interview, got all the questions right, and still wasn't hired. Im lucky to get 6+ interviews at apple, has to do with masters degree. I even had a 50+ year old engineer from Apple, be a no show, and then after eating 8 days to finally schedule an interview, I asked how long is the interview process he said "Oh it slow". .... ugh
not to mention the senior jobs salaries have dropped 30-40%. i have over 12 years of experience and it was easy to find jobs over 200k now its pretty rare to even see that in the range
I graduated from college in 2021, so I wanted to find a job that would help me with my education skills so I can walk my own. But it has been three years since then, I haven’t been able to get any jobs I did get an internship, but it seems entry level jobs doesn’t matter. At this point, I feel like companies should take a look back at what they’ve been doing and see what they can improve on…
I lied on my resume and i kept up on that lie in my resume, worked on projects for free with teams , so when i applied for. 4+ experience job i was able to bring value on a codebase and the team within a week. So everyone relies on me to solve the hardest bugs 😂😂
How do you survive lying when doing your job? Like I’m not able to lie because then I can’t “prove” it afterwards… how do you solve these bugs and keep it up?
You a wrong, the job of a school course should not be to teach the framework of the day but to give you the mentality to learn any framework\tech\ecc in your work life. Job training has always being a work place duty, a duty the very short sighted current managerial class wants to unload on schools due to plain and simple greed.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. However after you finish school you get thrown into the deep end with the potential to learn anything, but with no idea what to learn. With schools costing an arm and a leg I would expect to be taught the framework of the day. Otherwise why does the cost for the same information keep increasing at rates higher than inflation?
Just wanted to say a few things here: 1. In general if it's on the evening news, it's too late. This goes for stock picks and "most in demand" careers. 2. From what I see most people are getting into a swe career because of the high salaries from Google, Facebook, etc. This is NOT normal. 3. Being a good SWE is much more than leetcode and copying and pasting from stack exchange. It takes years of experience and hard work. 4. A lot of people end up not liking SWE and switch to something else. There are other areas Product Manager, Scrum Master, Growth Manager, etc that you might like better. 5. This happens in a lot of industries where supply exceeds demand. How many people want to be film directors who intern for years before their even considered for higher positions.
I did a boot camp that ended in march, got a nice remote job in may. It's important to understand that everyone's path is different but the more shots you the more likely you are to make
This confirmed my worst fears. Literally from day 1 of university, you need to build a portfolio to be "worthy" of any position, let alone an entry position. Would this mean forgoing Uni altogether? No, but think of how many small businesses you can start with the tuition money before one of them becomes a major success if you play your cards right.
It is not so much that university does not teach you something valueable for the industry, but rather that there is a set of skills you mainly only learn with job or project experience, and a set of skills (and knowledge) that you mainly learn at university. This would seem like university is poorly matched, but in reality it means that once you do have the basic job experience you have a competitive edge compared to those who did not go to university, because they would not naturally pick up the parts you got for university, and those parts are useful at the job, they just are not all that you need. This is also why the progression to senior only takes a few years for those with university education, because once you have a balance, you can start also counting your university time as part of your years of experience (at least that is the standard where I live, as rates are calculated that way). That does still leave the entrance into the profesional enviroment as a challenge, but once you are past that challenge, the value start to show.
5:36 pause and look at the applicant count for that internship 😂. Internships are just as bad if not worse to get than new grad and junior roles. “Just apply to internships” isn’t the definitive solution to this problem
Not only that but a lot of internships require you to still be enrolled in school. I'm a new grad and after 6 months of mass applying I'm starting to feel hopeless.
Hey man, just random ran into your video on my recommended page. I’m a junior that was thankful enough to get a return offer this year. I just wanted to saw that I was very impressed by the quality of your video! Keep up the great work
I'm plagued by guilt because I recently rejected a return offer from an internship I did last year, that would have likely made my transition from intern to full-timer completely seamless, all in order to do a study abroad. Now I'm dealing with companies everywhere giving me things like IQ tests and leetcode I don't know how to solve, then getting auto-rejected for failing them en-mass. I know for a fact my internship experience, and by extension degree would have definitely proven not meaningless, had I just taken that return offer. I've come back to a dumpster fire now. Study abroad was my dream so I just had to pursue it no matter what, but it's hard not to feel bad now considering how agonizing and indefinite the job-search is. I told myself "Jobs will always be there" but it doesn't mean much when it feels like the entry-level market is shrinking exponentially. I'm mad at myself knowing how easily I would have avoided this boat, yet choosing not to. Now I'll likely have to burden my family with things like having to move back home (Lease is ending and I chose not to renew, once I graduate) and scared of working fast food again because of the horrific treatment I experienced working it last time.
University is not like an initialisation ritual be welcome in the corporate cult. You go to university to learn the field. The fact that you can learn better on your own just has to do with the inability of universities and schools to adapt.
I finished a web development bootcamp back in Fall of 2021, and about 5 months later got a full time remote job as a Front End Dev. I can tell you I applied to about 60 positions with intent knowing I came close to the requirements, and everyday I did at least 1-2 leetcode problems a day. When the interviews finally came(had about maybe 8 companies interview me out of the 60 I applied to)I was prepared and killed those interviews. I ended up with 3 different job offers and took the remote one with the highest pay. I understand that the economy wasn't as bad in early 2022, but if there's one thing I'd recommend to people is KEEP TRACK OF YOUR APPLICATIONS, and PRACTICE LEETCODE EVERYDAY> Software Engineering vs. Interviewing for Software Engineering jobs are entirely different skillsets, and unfortunately, you need one to have the opportunity to gain the other.
Sorry man, don't mean to call you out.. but you would not break in today. You chose to break in when the market was literally hiring anyone who could breathe. We aren't ever going back to that market any time soon (10-15 years at least).
@preesuss2630 I recognize that this may be true, but my point is keep sharpening your interviewing skills when someone finally decides to take a chance on you. Would I recommend going to a bootcamp right now? Probably not with the costs and the current job market. But my advice still stands imo.
@@NeekOW2 Brother would you like to recommend to me to learn skills related to software development? I don't have a computer science degree. I do have a huge gap year. Also, don't have the money to join any Bootcamps.
I really appreciate you making this video. I graduated from a web dev boot camp and had to have applied to a thousand jobs and got a few interviews but nothing. Only one of my classmates even got hired and that was only because they already had years of experience.
5:15 this does not work. The vast majority of companies right now looking for interns and similar positions just want cheap labor for menial tasks with no intent on providing return offers, or allowing the interns to learn anything of value.
I agree, but it’s a lot like a ladder where the lower rungs are covered in shit. But you’ll never get to the top of you don’t start at the bottom. Because one shitty internship on your resume could mean the difference between your resume sitting at the top of the stack vs the bottom
Perhaps at the moment, juniors need to avoid too much saturated positions, like webdev positions. Although there should be always demands, there should be supplies more than twice of the demands. Those are actually positions that you don't really need to have compsci knowledge that much(you could learn while working, and no one asks you to write a JVM code from scratch or a JS parser in C++, for example), and you need to compete against bootcamp grads or self-taught ones, who might have more refined and good looking portfolios.
If youre fresh out of college your best bet into getting a job right away would be if you have family, good friends, or someone close that works for a company.
Great video man! Thank you! As someone that is very new to this career by self-learning and soon joining a bootcamp, I needed to know this information.
Honestly, amazing video bro. I have really been struggling with finding entry level jobs and I have been applying since last december (I graduated in June 2023). This video gave me the motivation to just work on something, rather than beating the bush of the job market to just get demotivated. Thank you man.
i spent 8 months in a bootcamp and learned react/javascript, a year of no luck on a job search and now i'm back in school for a computer science degree. idk what the point even is anymore or what i'm supposed to do
For those of you watching this video. Let me save you some time. Job market right now is extrememly difficult for junior developers. You need lots of experience, to get experience you need a job, in order to get a job you need experience. Going to college is outdated and won't help you learn important things like REACT What to do we do then? Continue practicing and sharpening your skills, become good at learning new things, and start building side projects. That's about it. My problem? If you're already not in love with software engineering and don't have the knowledge or skills that this guy possesses. Then it might be a good idea to find something else that suits you. Software engineering is great if you really enjoy it but, if you're like me and are having a tough time with sticking with it and aren't great at learning new things. I wouldn't waste the time, I already knew that going into this video I just wanted to know more about why the job market sucks. Even though I didn't learn much I did learn one thing, everyone is struggling right now. Which is a good thing because it means you're not alone. Take care.
You *almost* touched on a real problem. Juniors are competing with Seniors. Your perspective is how that feels as the junior, but imagine too how it feels for the senior. Jobs are bad all over, to the point where seniors are willing to work for less pay doing work they're overqualified for.
I can't really compare the current climate but even 10y ago - it was quite hard to find entry level jobs - as it always required a level of experience. I think a lot of people were tricked by semantics - there is a shortage of developers and there will always be a shortage but that people forget to add - that it is a shortage of talented / experienced senior developers. Companies want people who can do the job - not someone to learn to do the job. In the beginning of my career - I joined a small startup with small salary (you could probably earn more in starbucks as barista) but it allow me to build some experience and open a lot of doors so that is the advice that I would give to anyone who is struggling to find a job.
I think it's easier to get into a small to mid-sized company than big tech companies. People just need to make projects, become competitive, network, go to job fairs, do internships, and humble themselves. You'd get a job soon if you did all of these things. My university actually taught me practical skills jobs want, but I didn't do a theoretical comp sci degree. I did IT with a lot of real world projects. I still use my degree and I'm not lying or in student loan debt. Your degree is what you make of it. If you didn't take advantage of it and utilize your education to become valuable in the job market, that's on you and you need to take responsibility now. I refuse to sugar coat that reality and I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate for it.
it was hard and it's still hard lol. right after college I ended up working as an Sys Admin, after a year I ended working as Linux sys engr, and finally during pandemic I got hired as a test engineer and at least I am able to write a code/script for test automation until now, it was a good thing though bcoz I realized web dev is not for me. Now looking to work in the embedded sw realm which I really enjoyed doing when I was in college. just keep grinding we'll get there! peace!!!
I'm a software engineer with about 8 years of IT experience, serving as a Data Engineer, Database Engineer, Solutions Architect , Senior Data Analyst... the market is extremely tough right now .
@@bilmiyoruminanit's what was bound to happen when idiots kept telling everyone to go into STEM and specifically tech. It created saturation of people going into the industry with degrees and certs so there is now so much competition increasing every year because of people studying based on outdated advice.
I'm in the trades industry I.E carpentry, plumbing, hvac etc. My favorite thing is when the ad says hiring apprentices but the apprentices must have 2-3 years of experience. Just be honest and say you're looking for a journeymen
What’s crazy about this in 08 they did my father like this he’s a software engineer and I’m an electrical engineer we have different disciplines but he did mention fake hiring will happen when the economy slows. His advice is start with startup companies for experience. By the way great video your voice isn’t annoying and you aren’t overly excited and to top it off it’s very informative. Keep it up!
I've done so much backend related projects I wanted to do some frontend and delved head first into NextJS/TypeScript. I had 0 react experience, but some HTML, and knew NOTHING about NextJS. I've been rebuilding my portfolio site and have learned SO MUCH by doing this. It's been a challenge simply because I have so many unique things I want to maintain that it forced me to learn even more! This video is 100% on-point, but I'd argue that a currently a Bachelors degree doesn't set a person up enough to get a job out of college, and agree internships there are important. If you want some more expertise and knowledge, then a Masters allows you to explore all kinds of fields that you didn't get to when pursuing your Bachelors. However, money. I start my Masters program in a few days and am very excited, this video helped me get out of a funk and restart my job searching for when I finish my Masters degree.
I recently got my first salaried position as an engineer and it was tough, like all odds against me. I'm still in school and it was a heavy grind. I first thought that school really did not teach real required job market ready expertise. BUT, they do. There is a huge DIFFERENCE when it comes to software engineer and software developer. I could say I know how to build the latest and greatest web application in REACT, NODEJS, etc... But do you really know what's going on under the hood? One can easily use libraries but when it came to the theory of how to manage your application, database, system design, etc... I feel like school teaches a lot. Don't get me wrong you can completely avoid theory and go straight into applying libraries into your app and still land big roles. But there's a lot more windows that school can open especially expertise. TBH if I had school even mention to me lets build a project in React, i'd kinda be scared of what I'm really getting taught. This video does bring up a lot of good points though! :)
Actually I agree with you. Knowing what’s actually going on under the hood is crucial! I definitely wish I spoke more on this in the video, but I still feel like everyone’s first step if usually learning how to use relevant technologies, and then later gaining an understanding of that technology to take you skills to the next level. School should be teaching you both but typically you’ll only get the theory underneath it all
@@doseofdevy That’s very true! To get your foot in the door as quick as possible, it’s best to learn your frameworks. All in all, and like you said it’s very complicated to even get a job even for me when i had experience before the job i recently got. everyone’s route is different and I like to emphasize not giving up!
Tech is over saturated. It’s simple as that. I blame the tech UA-camrs who makes those “day in the life” videos of them sitting on their asses and eating food all day. I always tell people if you want to go to college, get a degree to become a doctor, nurse, lawyer, engineer, scientist, or airline pilot where you can start right off the bat making good money. None of these scamming degree crap. You can also join the trades with little to no debt and make decent money, preferably electrical, plumbing, or millwright work.
I've pivoted into entrepuenership. I think nowadays you gotta start your own thing. Better to own a small business than spend time tap dancing for employers who want 5 years + of experience and pay minimum wage. There's no opportunity to learn nowadays, everyone wants a senior and the truth is they don't train anyone because those seniors barely have any idea what they're doing. No job security nowadays either. All this for a subsistence wage to be another office monkey and at the mercy of some employer and office politics. I absolutely refuse. I'de rather build a business and live on my own terms earning 50k a year than earn 100k a year and be fucked if i lose my job/the economy buckles/compete with all these other people constantly etc.
These days I legit see entry level positions that require 5 years experience. Bro, do these people understand what "entry level" means?! Many of us either get promoted, move into management or change tech stacks after 5 years because we have mastered them. And even if I were to switch to a completely new role like QA or devops I still wont be entry level anymore because a lot of IT knowledge is transferable. They are just looking for some BS excuse to pay experienced professionals crappy salaries and they are all out of excuses. I'd rather see this industry crash and burn than see one more person unemployed, overworked or underpayed.
I graduated in 2015. In 2016 I was given a coding bootcamp who didn't prepare me for any part of the job that wasn't just writing code (subpar git, no jira, etc). The job they got me fell apart 3 months in. After that, I went to ANOTHER boot camp in 2017, and they hired me but the clients they put me on were heavily lied to about my resume. They padded my resume with an extra 4 years of experience at companies I didn't know existed let alone worked at. I'm only doing good on my own now with my real resume because this company lied to their clients about me, and put stress on me to maintain the lies they told. Glad I left them, but I also could NOT have gotten a job without them.
honestly them lying for you was them trying to help you help yourself. It's on you to take that "in" they finessed for you and do what you have to do to make it work.
@@justlurkin It was a constant issue though. These projects were months long, one of them over a year. Trying to keep my story straight, especially when I had zero real experience. It was more than a little fucked. I firmly recognized that it helped in the long run, but if this industry wasn't backwards in hiring practices it shouldn't have been necessary.
@@ngndnd Mobile Consulting Solutions, in Atlanta. While I wasn't cool with the lying, and am glad to have left, I can't deny the boost they gave to my career. Just be prepared for frustration if you're serious. They won't take into account anything they don't want to when marketing you. Do you have a family? They will make you leave them. Do they not pay you enough while on project to live in CA? They will send you there anyway. They trained you in native iOS and all your resume mentions Native code? They will make you take interviews for React Native and Cordova positions
The senior positions are a joke too. Theyre looking for specific senior experience using everything in their tech stack and when someone does have that experience they have half a dozen interviews to weed out perfectly capable developers for no logical reason
Literally just landed a 6 figure remote Associate SWE job after telling them I have no experience outside of college level courses. Got extremely lucky.
@@Jawabba I'm not a SWE, but I 100% agree with what you said about the security clearance! My clearance is CARRYING me lol. All the interviews and offers that I've received were all for positions that required a clearance. I'm so grateful to the job that obtained it for me.
I graduated a few months ago and haven’t managed to even get an interview. I am thinking of dropping software engineering and going into a different profession. My brother has an 80k job for checking bank statements. And this is how someone who builds full stack applications is treated ?! No surrey it’s OUTRAGEOUS!!! I will work elsewhere where I am respected not treated like crap and live code under pressure ! NO SIR 😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬f**k this stupid s**t
Yes, that was what I was doing for past 2-3 months applying for jobs, but I when I applied for internships I got messages from recuritors. You cleared my doubt, thanks.
Apart from dealing with the struggles of the SWE job market, you also have to explain to the people that are supporting you financially (family, parents, etc) that it is not your fault. Often, they cannot understand, and they tell you that you are just not doing it right, which makes it even worse. It is a terrible experience, you feel very isolated, as if no one can understand you. Keep your hopes up, explore other options as well, talk to people. Talking with people will not only broaden your network, but some people will also understand you, and make you feel better.
This 100%. It's not only the tech market, but the economy as a whole. Unemployment rates haven't increased this much since 2007-2008 (Not counting COVID)
This is what I'm doing as a UX/UI designer who has yet to find work. I'm taking additional tutorials on design and coding so I can keep adding experience and skills to my portfolio and resume.
Well done video. Transitions, information, audio, running footage, and editing, in my opinion, is really high quality. I both enjoyed your content and related to it. Great stuff and looking forward to more of your content!
insta subscribe!!! so motivational, especially if you spent last 9 month job searching and recently landed a senior dev offer!!! well done man!!! really well done!!!
Thanks for the sub! I’ve actually been employed for the last 3 years. But the difference between the job market now and three years ago is depressing. I’m not senior yet, I’m still mid level but I’m working on it!!
Since 2020 this hasn't even just been SWE. It's most tech, animation, and marketing jobs (I've been through all 3 markets). If you don't have 10 years I'd experience and aren't simultaneously willing to work for intern pay, they don't want you.
I’m surprised this is a new realization. There really have never been entry level SWE jobs. You always start somewhere else adjacent to SWE and then land a SWE position after a couple of years of working in an adjacent position or showing your skills and creating a place for yourself as a software engineer in a team with no SWE so you can pad your resume for the next SWE job you try to tackle. SWE is gate kept to keep people who can’t do the work from wasting the time of those who can do the work. Realize that now. All the people who decided they were going into SWE for money. Just now have expensive pieces of paper unless they get crafty and start working their way slowly and learning the skills truly necessary to be noticed by a professional SWE. Good luck guys.
I'm in pharmaceutical manufacturing but going to school for computer programming, and the jobs market is similar. Some of the entry level jobs postings want some years of experience coupled with the fact that you basically have to know someone to help get your foot in the door
Videos nails it. Companies just don’t want to take chances on early in career candidates. They often don’t work out or leave after being built up after a couple years which where you start actually being useful. As for the degree being useless this is bogus. If you believe this you missed the point of getting your degree in the first place. Engineering degrees particularly Computer Science are about problem solving and attention to detail which you will use forever. When I graduated PHP and Ajax where the hot stuff. Today it’s Htmx and React. 10 years from now something else.
I can't even imagine how lucky I am I volunteered for a non-profit when I was in highschool on a bunch of engineering projects. I started early, very frickin early. By the time I turned 20, I already had some good experience, at least 3 years on my belt. Going into work was seamless. I have no degree btw 😂😭
4:00 A job that requires 4+ years of experience in FastAPI, a 2-year-old (at the time) Python framework is kinda wild. 😬 That's why I just apply to all of them, regardless of experience in any one particular language/framework.
"N years of experience" reads as "has some professional experience". What's even wilder is FastAPI initial release was on December 5, 2018 (less than 5 years ago). Considering in it's first year, few would choose to use it in production. I don't know if anyone *should* have 4 years of professional experience in FastAPI. Job posting should've probably been 3 YOE.
I think there is a big issue with HR too. I know React, TS, Jest, Strapi, a little bit of node, and more. Have projects on Git Hub etc etc. The issue is how can a person working in HR even know you can code if they can't read code? As you said all they care about is whether you have experience - that is flawed. Basically, if Bill Gates was trying to get a job now and had no XP he would not get hired because HR would not go out of their way to read his code out of 1000 applicants
"To get experience, you need a job." False. That's the beauty of open source technology. Go get involved in a project. Go build something real, get real users. Be your own CTO. Doesn't matter if it takes years. My project took me 4 years. It was genuinely fun and I learned so much. I know. It sounds like it sucks. But it *is* possible and you can do it. Learn to love it so that you stay consistent. Just don't stop. Make friends. Live with family. When you do enter industry, you'll enter as a mid- or senior- level. You've got this!
Get a security clearance. This will solve all your problems. I have the opposite problem as a cloud engineer. I get so many annoying phone calls and emails a day for 6 figure job offers for cleared positions at military bases. Idk know why yall want private sector so bad. Contracting pays pretty dang good. Not as good as private but close.
@@doseofdevy so most Department of Defense contracts require you to have a comptia security+ certificate. You study, you pay the money and take the exam. This will make you desirable to a contracting company. Then you look for jobs at these contracting companies that will sponsor a clearance. Once you are hired you will have to go through a whole process and wait several months til your clearance is issued. Once its adjucated then your in the money. There are multiple levels but if your entry level your best bet is going for a job with a secret clearance. Then once you get secret. Start looking for a new job that will upgrade your secret to a top secret. Then once you have a top secret clearance you wont have a problem finding a job ever again.
Its really hard to get an entry level job in software right now, but I see a bunch of LinkedIn positions for people with little to no work experience every day. Also, as you said in the video, companies are looking for specialization, which is dumb to ask of someone who has just graduated college, but at the same time, can be beneficial to those looking for work. It is much easier for CS people to add specific skills and projects to their resume, than every other major out there.
Sad and true I am computer science now I finish some certificate in cybersecurity analyst and I send for it support or held desk or information Technology and one o two send email in the future 🤡 or maybe I need better resume.
I have continually been getting into depressive loops because of this. I'm in the middle of school, and had a hiatus for a couple years because of my mental health. Even though I'm back in school, I can't shake the feeling that I have no future now. School is already really hard, and I need to do all of that AND do extra to have a resume that sticks out for the PRIVILEGE of MAYBE getting into an interview and MAYBE passing an interview. Even if all of those aligned, I have the privilege of working at a business that maybe won't treat me like trash, except due due to decreased hiring, it's less likely I'll have as much of a ladder to climb. I feel like I am climbing a tall mountain that is turning into a cliff. Even when I am trying to make my situation better, trying to look for internship advice and career advice only makes me more depressed. ☹️ Going back to school has taken away my social life, makes my fiscal situation more difficult, and now it looks like there is no light at the end of the tunnel for all of that thanks to the job market.
I feel you, especially being in school as well. I take it day by day, because eventually I will be a senior engineer and these shithole companies will have no other choice but to hire us.
Sadly even internships are becoming hard to find I found an internship I was going to apply to but rather than experience they want skills in a different way, they wanted someone who not only spoke English, but also French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese. That’s truly insane only a small percent of people can speak 5 languages.
its definitely different entering the job market today for sure, but saying no one has ever used the things they learned during college is pretty dramatic. The underlying critical thinking and a lot of the theories (data structures / automata / networking / scheduling and much more) are things I reference almost daily while thinking through tasks or implementing features. Granted its more of an abstract application of those concepts but knowing them has definitely helped me in my career. Of course you could learn those same things via the internet as well but for some people self teaching isn't as effective (speaking for myself). I don't disagree with the video though college is over priced and there are no guarantees anymore even in the STEM jobs, a massive correction is needed on both the education and industry sides.
I graduated last year in June (Data Science), had an interview with Google for a position called "Software Engineer, Early Career" same month. 3 weeks later they told me I passed on Monday, sent me the form to fill out where I'd want to work and in what area, and by Wednesday, my recruiter calls me telling me because of the hiring freeze, I'd no longer be considered. Because I had no internship experience it was impossible to find anywhere to even get an interview at. Ended up working at a contracting company at the beginning of this year, and I'm lucky enough to be put on one of the few client projects where I can get professional experience with Python / REST APIs / AWS. My uni has a STEM career fair in October I'm going to, hoping for some luck there.
When they ask where you want to work you mean where in three US or in the world?
Yeah this seems to be the common theme especially with faang companies, but good luck in October man!!
contracting companies are where its at. low pay but they're usually small, so if you can manage to snag an internal referral, you're set. I'm a first year compsci/comp engineer fresh out of high school and somehow successfully pulled a casual position doing full stack webdev with an internal referral. target the small contract firms with your cha-risma my friends they love anyone who can oversell, that's their entire business model
@@terezip2213 are there any large contracting companies known for Jr swe positions?
Go to it because those career fairs are the one thing that most people don't have access to. Don't BS them either, companies are smart to read a resume and realize it's built on BS. It's good you say this because people out there complaining about the job search are ones who apply to the Fang companies, get rejected and told there's only senior positions...well duh so many people are working for them and all talent is being wasted on those companies when there is the heavy industrial and companies that provide accounting software to other business where programmers who know about accounting can apply their programming skills there. It's not hard to understand yet people just don't get it
Back in 2000, the word was that the Silicon Valley was full of entry-level jobs. I went though job listings for every company and couldn't find one single job posting for less than 2-years of experience. So, the explanation was that companies don't post the entry-level positions. Then, the advice became to apply for 2-years of experience jobs, sell your skills, and someone will hire you. Then, the explanation became that I was stupid or lazy.
I've seen the same thing with IT. Went from "you have a degree. Use that for your experience" to "just keep applying. Someone is bound to hire you!" to "have you considered volunteering your skills for experience?" to "maybe you just don't want this badly enough? You should be more ambitious!"
@@barondystopia Yeah, you're not searching hard enough. You're not being persistent. You must not be answering their questions right. You need to sell your skills. You have the routine of a chronic unemployed. You have a negative attitude. Use school projects as experience. Attitude is everything. The job market isn't terrible. It's all in your head. Employers aren't demanding experience. It's all in your head. There's always job openings. You just have to grab one. You need to go out and make it happen. You're not looking for a job in the right places. Get into an organization doing anything and then get the job you want. Go work for the state. They're always hiring. You're not networking. You're out of the loop. Everything is going to work out in the end. Don't worry. Be happy.
@@barondystopiaso in other words, it's always your fault. People always quick to gaslight
@@MinisterRedPill You're allowed a certain grace period. Then, the gas lighting starts.
@@michaeln.2383 lol that might have sounded like it was aimed towards you. It wasn't. I was speaking generally. Based on your comment, people always assume it's our fault. But the job market is tough
Not even just in SWE, even IT jobs such as a Network Engineer and a System Admin are asking for 5-10+ years experience for entry level 🙃
IT is different. People want proven skills in helpdesk. No such thing as someone getting hired directly to engineering.
Network and Sysadmins or DevOps Engineer aren't entry level roles. Help Desk or Desktop Support are entry level. You start on the Help Desk and work your way up.
I'm both a Linux Sysadmin and a T4 Field Tech. Most of my Linux experience came from self taught and running a home labs. I started on the Help Desk and worked my way up just like Network Chuck. No college degree or certifications.
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@@eman0828 College really can't make an engineer.. They kind of just do it themselves, it's why a lot of compsci majors end up in sales or outside of the industry.
@@josho9910 yup. College degrees are over rated. Having the right skill sets and experience is what employers are looking for these days. Many DevOps Engineer and Cloud job postings even removed college requirements all together as they place more emphasis on experience. Like I tell people, only go to college if you plan on becoming an Electrical Engineer, Medical Doctor, Lawyer or Nurse.. other than that most college degrees are useless and a waste time and money going to massive amounts of debt.
This is why I just lie about my experience. The construction company one of my buddies ran out of his garage? Yeah I ran the entire IT department (1 laptop 1 printer) there for 3 years. I have 3 years of IT management experience.
Made an access database, yea I'm a database administrator. :)
This is the SAME exact thing that happened to STEM degree science majors when companies said they need more scientists. Come to find out there were no jobs.
There's always a shortage of everything or a "growing demand", but no jobs.
The demand is there just not the money to pay for someone to spend months as a junior learning their job and how to fulfill the business demand.
Wdym tho. I make 90k 2YOE with a Bachelor's. Like fr. Lmk if u need any tips.
bingo, I studied chem engineering and there was a big demand, come to find out either you intern in college or you will never work as a chem eng because there are no entry lvl jobs, 10 yrs later still working as a lab tech, 3 interviews in those 10 yrs, for other lab tech jobs 😂, still at my first job
@@prpunk787 You need like 2, 3, 4 internships. Then, it still probably isn't enough.
One of the biggest issues is also the increasing tech stack, I personally have 11+ years of experience, and broke 6 figures over 4 years ago. So getting a job in IT for me is no issue, the problem is new jr. Devs have hurdles that didn't exist when I joined the tech scene in 2012. Now cloud expertise is now becoming mandatory, it is no longer good enough just to understand a programming language, you must have a much deeper repertoire in order to compete in todays market. And building in the cloud requires additional set of knowledge that just wasn't needed over a decade ago.
Thanks for the insight, I am as a fact imediatly picking up on it literally as I write this. I recently graduated computer engineering this year and I've been applying but it is truly like a void, not even any interviews. Resorted to practicing and coming up with projects and things I wanted to do just to not atrophied. If you have any more feed back or recomendations, I would greatly apretiate it.
@@blasandresayalagarcia3472 Good luck buddy. Honestly, if you want to go into a field that is still hiring: go into ServiceNow. I work with multiple companies and they were all looking for ServiceNow staff. You can move laterally from ServiceNow into almost any field because ServiceNow will touch most things if you know where to look.
To sum up what ServiceNow is: it's basically a front end to a database, but the website can tie into lots of other systems and has back end programming, so you can make it do whatever you want. Companies use it as the storefront for all their systems.
- Want to automatically create a user in AD and get it authorised by HR and the manager - ServiceNow
- Want to fix a broken server - ServiceNow
- Want to store user HR records - ServiceNow
- Want to track the servers - ServiceNow
- Want to log all the change requests - ServiceNow
- Want to order a laptop - ServiceNow
If I were starting at the bottom, its a great way to get in a very quickly move on/up/across.
I guess that's skill inflation. It kinda made it easier but harder. It's counter intuitive i know
@@digie3823 best way to put it.
I feel even lucky I was hired by a contractor program that taught my cohort AWS I AM User, EC2 Instances, plus some Docker. I was laid off recently, but at least now I can throw those on my resume combined with my software developer experience, lol.
As a Senior developer, let me tell you that it's tough as well: more requirements, less pay, more competition... the market in 2023 is very different to previews years.
Tell me about it... I get tons of emails, but all the salaries are what entry to mid level used to be and they're all asking for 10+ years of experience.
Greedy corporations always trying to get more for less 🤦♂.
Just hire the necessary amount of people and don't overwork anyone
If you don't get a job as a developer start applying for an IT support it's easier to get and build connections during your first year and you will get something
Even that is the same honestly, applied for one and was one of the first 7 to apply, 10 hours later it was at 4,000+ applicants
Shhhhh
Since lockdown ended, remote jobs have become even more over applied
no no no no - pls do not do this, this was my plan. 5 years of IT support later, full of quals but no company wants to give up a good support tech for a junior dev(worked at 2 law firms and a large bank). the pay is literally half what you would get as a dev, and the general attitude most staff have towards IT support is ridiculous, I have now stepped away from support all together. applying for jobs you will find that showing you can work in a office based environment on team projects can come in handy, however I would focus everything you have on getting that apprenticeship/internship over taking a entry level job in a service desk or 1st line support
This is me rn, Hopefully I will be able to get a SWE job soon
This is why I feel terrible for jobs in which your education does not count as experience. For example, me being a pilot took me getting all my certificates and ratings that all took hours to get. Even my training alone for all these took about 230 hours for me. This COUNTS as experience because it was me flying while learning a new plane or certificate. This still counted as experience because I was doing the flying.
@@Jadddddddddddddddddd who? I'm doing my Master's of Computer Science; no bootcamper could EVER do what I do without a Degree. The amount of background knowledge I have from my bachelor's dwarf's a self-taught or bootcamper particularly when I'm designing systems for NON-Websites; I'm designing propulsion systems, electrical systems, at work. You will never have the math and physics background to compete in cutting edge technology beyond some App for Social Media without a degree
@@Jadddddddddddddddddd that's extremely easy. program utilizing triple integrals to encode and display a 3-d dimensional conical sphere with a variable mesh for turbulent and laminar airflow at 0ft sea level 10,000ft sea level, 40,000ft sea level that resembles a windshield. Good luck moron. I hold a Mechanical Engineering degree/Minor in Aerospace Bachelors and my inprogress Masters in Computer Science I would run circles around you morons in the actual engineering world.
@@lks11guess what, most jobs dont give 2 shits if you can design and launch a rocket into space, especially if your obviously inflated ego comes along with it. What you may have in a math and physics background i'd guess you lack in receptiveness and teamwork which matter much more for any job that doesnt tie directly to math and physics(most of them). Our company hires self taught developers. I lead a team as a self taught developer. Drop the ego and you'll do better in the job search and life in general.
your math and physics knowledge and skills would only apply when applying for data science roles, anything else - no one cares. I have no degree and i know how to do full data engineering ETL work, can code in python and sql and understand cloud. These are the only skills required for a data engineering, for software of course a different stack - all that matters is real life experience. A student with a cs degree will not get a job like that, i know some who are waiting tables as they search for jobs. In the uk, students have the opportunity to go straight into work (apprenticeship) after high school, they have a better opportunity than you with a degree@@lks11
As a senior engineer, the market isn't easy. The market is crazy this year. Things will pick back up in the fall. Keep learning as you said in the video
i'm a data engineer/senior sdet and I see a lot of my staff/principal and senior or mid-level engineer friends and colleagues getting laid off. brilliant people who are having trouble finding jobs for 6+ months. one who i think is particularly brilliant took 4 months! and she's the kind of person who had always been swept up in less than a week. the process is slow and broken.
plus the second half of fall is the holiday season, which is super tough to get a job because everyone's on vacation. :(
Things are not picking up this year, AT BEST things will improve Q4 next year. It will only become more ruthless and cutthroat. Good luck, everyone.
I doubt it would pick up that fast. I'll give it a good decade before things get slightly better.
@@OmegaF77Decade seems a bit long, don't you think?
it didn't hoping for it to happen post holidays
I have 8 years of experience and cant find a job right now. Insane.
Graduated in 2020 as an adult student to boost my income. Before college I worked 3 jobs around the clock. Now, I still work 3 jobs around the clock. Little did I know, even with 17 years of work experience and now a degree, I am considered the same as a child who is starting out because I am a new grad and I didn't work in that field. The system is broken.
It's blowing my mind, it's not like they want entry-level to do entry-level work anyway. They want above and beyond.
there are few entry level jobs IRL. Entry level workers used to do very basic tasks. All of that stuff has gotten automated away. Now you need people to make the type of decisions you legitimately need experience to make. It's actually a societal issue that goes beyond "capitalism bad"
I've been searching for months for a video like this and finally someone made one. Seems like not many UA-camrs make videos on the negative side of becoming a web developer these days because it ruins their advertiser/sponsorship pay which is fueled by hype. Great video. Very cool project.
It's about the 3rd I've seen, but all posted within the last month. The issue has been so bad long enough that they can't help but start making these.
@@kalonohmstede5138 Exactly. Let's get some reality on youtube. Too much hype even during a bad time.
I am in the exact same boat.
One issue I am finding though is staying motivated to continuously learn something when you’re labor, efforts and time investment are never rewarded.
The other compounding thing to this is the fact that coming up with any form of useful idea or project is extremely difficult, which yet again has a high probability of being swept under the rug with no reward leaving you with yet another chunk of your life gone and making no further economic progress.
This is shockingly bad for young people. We want to work.
Many of us went to school because we thought we’d get an above average salary and be able to keep growing and earning. Sure it’s awesome if you couldn’t live another day in your life without coding, but some (most) people view their career as a vehicle which will transport them up the socioeconomic ladder more quickly so they can have a normal and decent standard of living.
exactly....
Change your perspective. Pursuit of profit should not drive you to start a project. Instead, try to solve a problem. You will go much further.
@@KamrynB agreed. if money is the focus, then that's not much of a good sustainable motivator. find a problem, and solve it the best way you can, however way you see fit
@@FableCountryI disagree. Most of these problems don't stem from "I need more money I'm so greedy" it comes from "i need more money, I wanan move out of this shitty one bedroom apartments i share with 4 other roommates"
100% agree
I graduated in summer 2022, and thankfully I had a job lined up pretty much right out of school. The main reason I got the job was because my dad knew the manager and was able to schedule an interview, thankfully, I prepared myself the best I could and got the job.
The main points I got from my experience:
Connections are very important, if not, necessary. Just this past month one of our interns brought in a guy for an interview he knew, and now he’s hired on as well.
Do everything you can to network and make sure you are prepared because an opportunity might come up unexpectedly.
Everyone needs IT, so don’t be scared to look in different industries for software dev or even IT jobs, getting your foot in the door is the hardest part. Once you’re in, like Devy said, keep yourself sharp so you can leverage all your experience to ace an interview.
Seems like people who are into swe are getting into cybersecurity and cloud based systems like AWS / Salesforce. I like to get into software engineering on a web development focus but looks like it’s getting quite saturated these days. I totally agree even entry level roles require 1-2 yrs experience.
Salesforce is SUPER SATURATED
Sounds to me like they're having to get in where they fit in.
It's true that not everyone ends up working in the field they studied for, and many people do transition to different careers, including marketing. People's career paths can vary widely based on their interests and opportunities.
Ill give some advice that did help me. I was completely self taught, not bootcamp, no nothing. I had worked in IT at a hardware level but my background was in healthcare. I built a website from scratch JS, Bootstrap 3, HTMl, and some Css. The site that got me interviews was a website i made that was almost like a personal trainer. You could create workouts in a calendar, and it would email , text, or both; those workouts to you on that calendar day. I built something that could be used by someone in a real business scenario. Thats my best advice is build something you think could be used. It could be an App, a low power OS, and API, just something actuallh usable.
That is probably the most major yet underrated advice for anything in SWE -- _always_ keep a nice portfolio of projects in the latest/greatest most popular XYZ current technologies handy and available for anyone to see.
Where did you learn how to code?
Yeah but how long ago was this? I see this same advice worded differently everywhere but when you look around even people with 10/10 portfolios are getting ghosted
I think you are right that college CS is not *directly* teaching things like React or whatever tools are popular now, but it’s absolutely not useless. Knowing about analyzing algorithms, functional programming, design patterns are incredibly useful when learning the fad tech of the era
The fact that you have to basically be an expert at Leetcode to get a job says it all
It says nothing, it's a secret handshake. It sucks, but just learn it.
@@BusinessWolf1nah it really does say it all
its impossible to even get an interview these days anyway. All these companies are hiring internally
GPT4 with zero-shot prompting can do hard leetcodes. whats the point
The problem is this breaks the economy long term because at some point those software engineers will retire and there is a lack of EXPERIENCED software engineers filling the gap. We have the same problem in many other fields.
Not just that, the field has a downright comical level of attrition due to how frustrating it is for any job with craftsmanship attached to it to be fullfilling in a corporate environment.
We are literally seeing the same field bleed as ambulance drivers.
I notice that this video applies to all jobs not just tech of jobs that were entry level 20 years ago now require senior level experience but for entry level jobs. Most jobs even if they are entry level require 2 years of experience and you have to have knowledge of the job and what is expected than what the job requires.
Companies don't seem to want to invest or take the time to train new hires anymore. They expect you to come in after just acquiring your degree AND have 2-5 years of experience already under your belt. What is wrong with these CEOs? They don't make any sense!
@@SongofaBeach2012 that is a big chunk of the reason why I am 30 years old single never married no kids and still living with my parents in Lebanon. Very white republican town. Unless it’s or sales or fast food or retail or physical labor there’s nothing here. I finally got my bachelors during the pandemic when it started in 2020.
Not in SWE, but in cybersec. Landing my first job after grad was an absolute struggle and I got it because i got LUCKY. I was unemployed for a year and a half.They only took notice because of my location and how close I was.
It's not only that entry level positions that are affecting, but the nature of tech is sooooo unprofessional. I waited a whole month to get my Amazon panel interview, got all the questions right, and still wasn't hired. Im lucky to get 6+ interviews at apple, has to do with masters degree. I even had a 50+ year old engineer from Apple, be a no show, and then after eating 8 days to finally schedule an interview, I asked how long is the interview process he said "Oh it slow". .... ugh
thanks for the video, graduated 3 months ago and the search has been very difficult. I hope to do what I fell in love with as a career in the future
Just keep going! It’s tough out here but you got this 💪🏾
It's really pleasant to see that I'm not alone in this. Thanks for shedding light on this issue.
not to mention the senior jobs salaries have dropped 30-40%. i have over 12 years of experience and it was easy to find jobs over 200k now its pretty rare to even see that in the range
I graduated from college in 2021, so I wanted to find a job that would help me with my education skills so I can walk my own. But it has been three years since then, I haven’t been able to get any jobs
I did get an internship, but it seems entry level jobs doesn’t matter.
At this point, I feel like companies should take a look back at what they’ve been doing and see what they can improve on…
I lied on my resume and i kept up on that lie in my resume, worked on projects for free with teams , so when i applied for. 4+ experience job i was able to bring value on a codebase and the team within a week. So everyone relies on me to solve the hardest bugs 😂😂
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Massive dub
Massive flex right there
How do you survive lying when doing your job? Like I’m not able to lie because then I can’t “prove” it afterwards… how do you solve these bugs and keep it up?
You a wrong, the job of a school course should not be to teach the framework of the day but to give you the mentality to learn any framework\tech\ecc in your work life.
Job training has always being a work place duty, a duty the very short sighted current managerial class wants to unload on schools due to plain and simple greed.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. However after you finish school you get thrown into the deep end with the potential to learn anything, but with no idea what to learn. With schools costing an arm and a leg I would expect to be taught the framework of the day. Otherwise why does the cost for the same information keep increasing at rates higher than inflation?
Just wanted to say a few things here:
1. In general if it's on the evening news, it's too late. This goes for stock picks and "most in demand" careers.
2. From what I see most people are getting into a swe career because of the high salaries from Google, Facebook, etc. This is NOT normal.
3. Being a good SWE is much more than leetcode and copying and pasting from stack exchange. It takes years of experience and hard work.
4. A lot of people end up not liking SWE and switch to something else. There are other areas Product Manager, Scrum Master, Growth Manager, etc that you might like better.
5. This happens in a lot of industries where supply exceeds demand. How many people want to be film directors who intern for years before their even considered for higher positions.
I did a boot camp that ended in march, got a nice remote job in may. It's important to understand that everyone's path is different but the more shots you the more likely you are to make
Well yeah connections
was your bootcamp for web dev?
can you share which bootcamp you did ? was it online could you share the link
What was your boot camp ?
For anyone wondering, the bootcamp he went to is called “galvanize inc” (via his LinkedIn)
This confirmed my worst fears. Literally from day 1 of university, you need to build a portfolio to be "worthy" of any position, let alone an entry position.
Would this mean forgoing Uni altogether? No, but think of how many small businesses you can start with the tuition money before one of them becomes a major success if you play your cards right.
University is a way to get into corporate America.
I dropped out and still got hired. The game is numbers apply to 500 jobs ten jobs everyday, you will get interviews and you will get hired.
It is not so much that university does not teach you something valueable for the industry, but rather that there is a set of skills you mainly only learn with job or project experience, and a set of skills (and knowledge) that you mainly learn at university. This would seem like university is poorly matched, but in reality it means that once you do have the basic job experience you have a competitive edge compared to those who did not go to university, because they would not naturally pick up the parts you got for university, and those parts are useful at the job, they just are not all that you need. This is also why the progression to senior only takes a few years for those with university education, because once you have a balance, you can start also counting your university time as part of your years of experience (at least that is the standard where I live, as rates are calculated that way).
That does still leave the entrance into the profesional enviroment as a challenge, but once you are past that challenge, the value start to show.
@@SimplyApollo Corporate America is a hellhole.
5:36 pause and look at the applicant count for that internship 😂. Internships are just as bad if not worse to get than new grad and junior roles. “Just apply to internships” isn’t the definitive solution to this problem
Not only that but a lot of internships require you to still be enrolled in school. I'm a new grad and after 6 months of mass applying I'm starting to feel hopeless.
its tough keep grinding@@michelleb2722
Hey man, just random ran into your video on my recommended page. I’m a junior that was thankful enough to get a return offer this year. I just wanted to saw that I was very impressed by the quality of your video! Keep up the great work
Thank you so much man 🙏🏾
And congratulations!!!
I'm plagued by guilt because I recently rejected a return offer from an internship I did last year, that would have likely made my transition from intern to full-timer completely seamless, all in order to do a study abroad. Now I'm dealing with companies everywhere giving me things like IQ tests and leetcode I don't know how to solve, then getting auto-rejected for failing them en-mass.
I know for a fact my internship experience, and by extension degree would have definitely proven not meaningless, had I just taken that return offer. I've come back to a dumpster fire now. Study abroad was my dream so I just had to pursue it no matter what, but it's hard not to feel bad now considering how agonizing and indefinite the job-search is. I told myself "Jobs will always be there" but it doesn't mean much when it feels like the entry-level market is shrinking exponentially. I'm mad at myself knowing how easily I would have avoided this boat, yet choosing not to. Now I'll likely have to burden my family with things like having to move back home (Lease is ending and I chose not to renew, once I graduate) and scared of working fast food again because of the horrific treatment I experienced working it last time.
grind leetcode network make projects and keep trying thats all we can do
Were all gonna make it bro
It takes a lot of resources to mentor a junior developer. Glad I got in when I did though and thankful for my seniors who babysat me years ago
University is not like an initialisation ritual be welcome in the corporate cult. You go to university to learn the field. The fact that you can learn better on your own just has to do with the inability of universities and schools to adapt.
Even internships are competitive.
I haven’t seen an internship that didn’t say 1000+ applications submitted yet 😂
@@doseofdevyactually I've seen many videos of internships where YOU pay the COMPANY to have the privilege of "working" there. It's insane.
WHAT?!??
They demand internship experience, but I'm told I'm no longer eligible for an internship since I graduated
@@ambientlightofdarknesss4245 huh? pretty sure this is illegal
I tried learning swe in 2021 and still looking for a job today. Decided to look into data science in government because these companies aren't hiring.
I finished a web development bootcamp back in Fall of 2021, and about 5 months later got a full time remote job as a Front End Dev. I can tell you I applied to about 60 positions with intent knowing I came close to the requirements, and everyday I did at least 1-2 leetcode problems a day. When the interviews finally came(had about maybe 8 companies interview me out of the 60 I applied to)I was prepared and killed those interviews. I ended up with 3 different job offers and took the remote one with the highest pay.
I understand that the economy wasn't as bad in early 2022, but if there's one thing I'd recommend to people is KEEP TRACK OF YOUR APPLICATIONS, and PRACTICE LEETCODE EVERYDAY> Software Engineering vs. Interviewing for Software Engineering jobs are entirely different skillsets, and unfortunately, you need one to have the opportunity to gain the other.
Brother, can I talk to you?
Sorry man, don't mean to call you out.. but you would not break in today. You chose to break in when the market was literally hiring anyone who could breathe. We aren't ever going back to that market any time soon (10-15 years at least).
@preesuss2630 I recognize that this may be true, but my point is keep sharpening your interviewing skills when someone finally decides to take a chance on you. Would I recommend going to a bootcamp right now? Probably not with the costs and the current job market. But my advice still stands imo.
yeah for sure, it is great advice. And sorry again, hope it didn't sound like I am attacking you.@@NeekOW2
@@NeekOW2 Brother would you like to recommend to me to learn skills related to software development? I don't have a computer science degree. I do have a huge gap year. Also, don't have the money to join any Bootcamps.
I really appreciate you making this video. I graduated from a web dev boot camp and had to have applied to a thousand jobs and got a few interviews but nothing. Only one of my classmates even got hired and that was only because they already had years of experience.
5:15 this does not work. The vast majority of companies right now looking for interns and similar positions just want cheap labor for menial tasks with no intent on providing return offers, or allowing the interns to learn anything of value.
I agree, but it’s a lot like a ladder where the lower rungs are covered in shit. But you’ll never get to the top of you don’t start at the bottom. Because one shitty internship on your resume could mean the difference between your resume sitting at the top of the stack vs the bottom
Gee, I wonder if those would be the same companies that 2 years from now will be whining how they can't find anyone with 2-3 years of experience.
Oh it’s coming lol
Perhaps at the moment, juniors need to avoid too much saturated positions, like webdev positions. Although there should be always demands, there should be supplies more than twice of the demands. Those are actually positions that you don't really need to have compsci knowledge that much(you could learn while working, and no one asks you to write a JVM code from scratch or a JS parser in C++, for example), and you need to compete against bootcamp grads or self-taught ones, who might have more refined and good looking portfolios.
I'd honestly make a JS parser in C++, I wonder how will it turn out, doesn't even sound that hard to just parse the code.
If youre fresh out of college your best bet into getting a job right away would be if you have family, good friends, or someone close that works for a company.
Hey bro! Congratulations on the success of your channel!! This is just the beginning man! All the best always to you!
Thank you so much!
Great video man! Thank you! As someone that is very new to this career by self-learning and soon joining a bootcamp, I needed to know this information.
Thanks for watching my video man!
Honestly, amazing video bro. I have really been struggling with finding entry level jobs and I have been applying since last december (I graduated in June 2023). This video gave me the motivation to just work on something, rather than beating the bush of the job market to just get demotivated. Thank you man.
i spent 8 months in a bootcamp and learned react/javascript, a year of no luck on a job search and now i'm back in school for a computer science degree. idk what the point even is anymore or what i'm supposed to do
You have projects on your resume?
I am computer science I search Jobs for held desk I no call back or send email in the future maybe need 🤡
In this field you better be willing to move, thats no joke.
Facts. Must sacrifice staying home to get that career elsewhere.
@@mikolots Even then I'll still get rejected. I guess there is no other option other than to actually lie.
@OmegaF77 I feel you. It's even worse now, sadly. Do what you got to do.
I could only relate too hard to the statement that My CS Degree was irrelevant, Been struggling to find anything for the past five years.
Am losing hope now coz am starting my CS degree in Sept
For those of you watching this video. Let me save you some time.
Job market right now is extrememly difficult for junior developers.
You need lots of experience, to get experience you need a job, in order to get a job you need experience.
Going to college is outdated and won't help you learn important things like REACT
What to do we do then? Continue practicing and sharpening your skills, become good at learning new things, and start building side projects.
That's about it.
My problem? If you're already not in love with software engineering and don't have the knowledge or skills that this guy possesses. Then it might be a good idea to find something else that suits you. Software engineering is great if you really enjoy it but, if you're like me and are having a tough time with sticking with it and aren't great at learning new things. I wouldn't waste the time, I already knew that going into this video I just wanted to know more about why the job market sucks. Even though I didn't learn much I did learn one thing, everyone is struggling right now. Which is a good thing because it means you're not alone.
Take care.
I'm currently in my first year of software engineering and many people are talking about industry saturation. Frankly, this scares me.😢
@@bilmiyoruminan This is also worrying me at the moment
You *almost* touched on a real problem. Juniors are competing with Seniors. Your perspective is how that feels as the junior, but imagine too how it feels for the senior. Jobs are bad all over, to the point where seniors are willing to work for less pay doing work they're overqualified for.
senior actually got the job
I have been passed on multiple jobs the past couple of months because a more senior person applied.
1:00, I was always or almost always told it as "to get a job you need experience, but to get experience you need a job".
I can't really compare the current climate but even 10y ago - it was quite hard to find entry level jobs - as it always required a level of experience. I think a lot of people were tricked by semantics - there is a shortage of developers and there will always be a shortage but that people forget to add - that it is a shortage of talented / experienced senior developers. Companies want people who can do the job - not someone to learn to do the job. In the beginning of my career - I joined a small startup with small salary (you could probably earn more in starbucks as barista) but it allow me to build some experience and open a lot of doors so that is the advice that I would give to anyone who is struggling to find a job.
I think it's easier to get into a small to mid-sized company than big tech companies. People just need to make projects, become competitive, network, go to job fairs, do internships, and humble themselves. You'd get a job soon if you did all of these things. My university actually taught me practical skills jobs want, but I didn't do a theoretical comp sci degree. I did IT with a lot of real world projects. I still use my degree and I'm not lying or in student loan debt. Your degree is what you make of it. If you didn't take advantage of it and utilize your education to become valuable in the job market, that's on you and you need to take responsibility now.
I refuse to sugar coat that reality and I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate for it.
Of all the languages available you choose to speak facts 💯
Fucking preach brother. Become so good they’d be stupid to not give you a chance.
@doseofdevy those that get hired right into big tech are those with masters and ive league degree, or those with financial and high level connections
@JoeisBear well talent and luck are factors too. Plus, if you solve their problems very well.
r u a girl? bc of ur name
it was hard and it's still hard lol. right after college I ended up working as an Sys Admin, after a year I ended working as Linux sys engr, and finally during pandemic I got hired as a test engineer and at least I am able to write a code/script for test automation until now, it was a good thing though bcoz I realized web dev is not for me. Now looking to work in the embedded sw realm which I really enjoyed doing when I was in college. just keep grinding we'll get there! peace!!!
I'm a software engineer with about 8 years of IT experience, serving as a Data Engineer, Database Engineer, Solutions Architect , Senior Data Analyst... the market is extremely tough right now .
Agree
I'm currently in my first year of software engineering and many people are talking about industry saturation. Frankly, this scares me.
@@bilmiyoruminanit's what was bound to happen when idiots kept telling everyone to go into STEM and specifically tech. It created saturation of people going into the industry with degrees and certs so there is now so much competition increasing every year because of people studying based on outdated advice.
TBH it’s just as bad for experienced engineers. 200+ applicants, months to get an offer. The tech economy is brutal right now.
ehh I hit 1000+ as an entry-level I would've loved to only hit 200+
I'm in the trades industry I.E carpentry, plumbing, hvac etc. My favorite thing is when the ad says hiring apprentices but the apprentices must have 2-3 years of experience. Just be honest and say you're looking for a journeymen
What’s crazy about this in 08 they did my father like this he’s a software engineer and I’m an electrical engineer we have different disciplines but he did mention fake hiring will happen when the economy slows. His advice is start with startup companies for experience.
By the way great video your voice isn’t annoying and you aren’t overly excited and to top it off it’s very informative. Keep it up!
I've done so much backend related projects I wanted to do some frontend and delved head first into NextJS/TypeScript. I had 0 react experience, but some HTML, and knew NOTHING about NextJS. I've been rebuilding my portfolio site and have learned SO MUCH by doing this. It's been a challenge simply because I have so many unique things I want to maintain that it forced me to learn even more!
This video is 100% on-point, but I'd argue that a currently a Bachelors degree doesn't set a person up enough to get a job out of college, and agree internships there are important. If you want some more expertise and knowledge, then a Masters allows you to explore all kinds of fields that you didn't get to when pursuing your Bachelors. However, money. I start my Masters program in a few days and am very excited, this video helped me get out of a funk and restart my job searching for when I finish my Masters degree.
Always be grateful to your first recruiter
I recently got my first salaried position as an engineer and it was tough, like all odds against me. I'm still in school and it was a heavy grind. I first thought that school really did not teach real required job market ready expertise. BUT, they do. There is a huge DIFFERENCE when it comes to software engineer and software developer. I could say I know how to build the latest and greatest web application in REACT, NODEJS, etc... But do you really know what's going on under the hood? One can easily use libraries but when it came to the theory of how to manage your application, database, system design, etc... I feel like school teaches a lot. Don't get me wrong you can completely avoid theory and go straight into applying libraries into your app and still land big roles. But there's a lot more windows that school can open especially expertise. TBH if I had school even mention to me lets build a project in React, i'd kinda be scared of what I'm really getting taught. This video does bring up a lot of good points though! :)
Actually I agree with you. Knowing what’s actually going on under the hood is crucial! I definitely wish I spoke more on this in the video, but I still feel like everyone’s first step if usually learning how to use relevant technologies, and then later gaining an understanding of that technology to take you skills to the next level. School should be teaching you both but typically you’ll only get the theory underneath it all
Also congratulations man!!! 🤟🏾
@@doseofdevy That’s very true! To get your foot in the door as quick as possible, it’s best to learn your frameworks. All in all, and like you said it’s very complicated to even get a job even for me when i had experience before the job i recently got. everyone’s route is different and I like to emphasize not giving up!
@@doseofdevy Thank you!!! It took me one solid year of heavy coding.
Sheeesh a year!? That’s commitment!
Tech is over saturated. It’s simple as that. I blame the tech UA-camrs who makes those “day in the life” videos of them sitting on their asses and eating food all day. I always tell people if you want to go to college, get a degree to become a doctor, nurse, lawyer, engineer, scientist, or airline pilot where you can start right off the bat making good money. None of these scamming degree crap. You can also join the trades with little to no debt and make decent money, preferably electrical, plumbing, or millwright work.
I've pivoted into entrepuenership. I think nowadays you gotta start your own thing. Better to own a small business than spend time tap dancing for employers who want 5 years + of experience and pay minimum wage. There's no opportunity to learn nowadays, everyone wants a senior and the truth is they don't train anyone because those seniors barely have any idea what they're doing. No job security nowadays either. All this for a subsistence wage to be another office monkey and at the mercy of some employer and office politics. I absolutely refuse. I'de rather build a business and live on my own terms earning 50k a year than earn 100k a year and be fucked if i lose my job/the economy buckles/compete with all these other people constantly etc.
These days I legit see entry level positions that require 5 years experience. Bro, do these people understand what "entry level" means?! Many of us either get promoted, move into management or change tech stacks after 5 years because we have mastered them. And even if I were to switch to a completely new role like QA or devops I still wont be entry level anymore because a lot of IT knowledge is transferable. They are just looking for some BS excuse to pay experienced professionals crappy salaries and they are all out of excuses. I'd rather see this industry crash and burn than see one more person unemployed, overworked or underpayed.
I graduated in 2015. In 2016 I was given a coding bootcamp who didn't prepare me for any part of the job that wasn't just writing code (subpar git, no jira, etc). The job they got me fell apart 3 months in. After that, I went to ANOTHER boot camp in 2017, and they hired me but the clients they put me on were heavily lied to about my resume. They padded my resume with an extra 4 years of experience at companies I didn't know existed let alone worked at.
I'm only doing good on my own now with my real resume because this company lied to their clients about me, and put stress on me to maintain the lies they told. Glad I left them, but I also could NOT have gotten a job without them.
honestly them lying for you was them trying to help you help yourself. It's on you to take that "in" they finessed for you and do what you have to do to make it work.
@@justlurkin It was a constant issue though. These projects were months long, one of them over a year. Trying to keep my story straight, especially when I had zero real experience. It was more than a little fucked. I firmly recognized that it helped in the long run, but if this industry wasn't backwards in hiring practices it shouldn't have been necessary.
damn what bootcamp was that lmao i need someone to help me lie
@@ngndnd Mobile Consulting Solutions, in Atlanta. While I wasn't cool with the lying, and am glad to have left, I can't deny the boost they gave to my career.
Just be prepared for frustration if you're serious. They won't take into account anything they don't want to when marketing you. Do you have a family? They will make you leave them. Do they not pay you enough while on project to live in CA? They will send you there anyway. They trained you in native iOS and all your resume mentions Native code? They will make you take interviews for React Native and Cordova positions
The senior positions are a joke too. Theyre looking for specific senior experience using everything in their tech stack and when someone does have that experience they have half a dozen interviews to weed out perfectly capable developers for no logical reason
Literally just landed a 6 figure remote Associate SWE job after telling them I have no experience outside of college level courses. Got extremely lucky.
Connections?
@andiuptown1711 good question
Which company
@@lilygirllisa I got a security clearance from my previous job that did some serious heavy lifting when it came to the new job
@@Jawabba I'm not a SWE, but I 100% agree with what you said about the security clearance! My clearance is CARRYING me lol. All the interviews and offers that I've received were all for positions that required a clearance. I'm so grateful to the job that obtained it for me.
Thank you for making this vlog! It was helpful 😊
I graduated a few months ago and haven’t managed to even get an interview. I am thinking of dropping software engineering and going into a different profession. My brother has an 80k job for checking bank statements. And this is how someone who builds full stack applications is treated ?! No surrey it’s OUTRAGEOUS!!! I will work elsewhere where I am respected not treated like crap and live code under pressure ! NO SIR 😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬f**k this stupid s**t
Yes, that was what I was doing for past 2-3 months applying for jobs, but I when I applied for internships I got messages from recuritors. You cleared my doubt, thanks.
Apart from dealing with the struggles of the SWE job market, you also have to explain to the people that are supporting you financially (family, parents, etc) that it is not your fault. Often, they cannot understand, and they tell you that you are just not doing it right, which makes it even worse. It is a terrible experience, you feel very isolated, as if no one can understand you. Keep your hopes up, explore other options as well, talk to people. Talking with people will not only broaden your network, but some people will also understand you, and make you feel better.
This 100%. It's not only the tech market, but the economy as a whole. Unemployment rates haven't increased this much since 2007-2008 (Not counting COVID)
This is what I'm doing as a UX/UI designer who has yet to find work. I'm taking additional tutorials on design and coding so I can keep adding experience and skills to my portfolio and resume.
Well done video. Transitions, information, audio, running footage, and editing, in my opinion, is really high quality. I both enjoyed your content and related to it. Great stuff and looking forward to more of your content!
insta subscribe!!! so motivational, especially if you spent last 9 month job searching and recently landed a senior dev offer!!!
well done man!!! really well done!!!
Thanks for the sub! I’ve actually been employed for the last 3 years. But the difference between the job market now and three years ago is depressing. I’m not senior yet, I’m still mid level but I’m working on it!!
@@doseofdevy who said I was talking about you? ;)
@@rosendo3219 oh you mean YOU!! Congratulations 🎊🎈
Since 2020 this hasn't even just been SWE. It's most tech, animation, and marketing jobs (I've been through all 3 markets). If you don't have 10 years I'd experience and aren't simultaneously willing to work for intern pay, they don't want you.
its literally everything now the whole job market is fucked
I’m surprised this is a new realization. There really have never been entry level SWE jobs. You always start somewhere else adjacent to SWE and then land a SWE position after a couple of years of working in an adjacent position or showing your skills and creating a place for yourself as a software engineer in a team with no SWE so you can pad your resume for the next SWE job you try to tackle.
SWE is gate kept to keep people who can’t do the work from wasting the time of those who can do the work.
Realize that now. All the people who decided they were going into SWE for money. Just now have expensive pieces of paper unless they get crafty and start working their way slowly and learning the skills truly necessary to be noticed by a professional SWE.
Good luck guys.
I'm in pharmaceutical manufacturing but going to school for computer programming, and the jobs market is similar. Some of the entry level jobs postings want some years of experience coupled with the fact that you basically have to know someone to help get your foot in the door
Videos nails it. Companies just don’t want to take chances on early in career candidates. They often don’t work out or leave after being built up after a couple years which where you start actually being useful.
As for the degree being useless this is bogus. If you believe this you missed the point of getting your degree in the first place. Engineering degrees particularly Computer Science are about problem solving and attention to detail which you will use forever. When I graduated PHP and Ajax where the hot stuff. Today it’s Htmx and React. 10 years from now something else.
I can't even imagine how lucky I am
I volunteered for a non-profit when I was in highschool on a bunch of engineering projects. I started early, very frickin early. By the time I turned 20, I already had some good experience, at least 3 years on my belt. Going into work was seamless. I have no degree btw 😂😭
Good shit man 🔥
awesome! are u earning well?
@@val-xe2jy It's good. It's a little tough though since everything is so much more expensive 🙃
@@mr_0n10n5 yeah feel u. Where r u from?
@@val-xe2jy from Fri**kin west africa
It's also a numbers game. The more you apply, the more likely you'll find that one employer that's willing to give you a shot.
4:00 A job that requires 4+ years of experience in FastAPI, a 2-year-old (at the time) Python framework is kinda wild. 😬
That's why I just apply to all of them, regardless of experience in any one particular language/framework.
"N years of experience" reads as "has some professional experience". What's even wilder is FastAPI initial release was on December 5, 2018 (less than 5 years ago). Considering in it's first year, few would choose to use it in production. I don't know if anyone *should* have 4 years of professional experience in FastAPI. Job posting should've probably been 3 YOE.
Did any of them reach out to you?
I think there is a big issue with HR too. I know React, TS, Jest, Strapi, a little bit of node, and more. Have projects on Git Hub etc etc. The issue is how can a person working in HR even know you can code if they can't read code? As you said all they care about is whether you have experience - that is flawed. Basically, if Bill Gates was trying to get a job now and had no XP he would not get hired because HR would not go out of their way to read his code out of 1000 applicants
they dont. they just look to see if your resume matches the job description to a T. You gotta appear as a "perfect fit".
great video! thanks so much for putting together a cohesive and interesting video that accurately sums up the industry these days :)
yea now they need students that know every api, library, language, 10 projects, good degree, good portfolio, machine learning, cloud computing.
Your melanoma app looks like an awesome idea, congratulations!
We’re competing against developers graduating University in India, China etc.. it’s now more than ever a global competition
"To get experience, you need a job." False. That's the beauty of open source technology. Go get involved in a project. Go build something real, get real users. Be your own CTO. Doesn't matter if it takes years. My project took me 4 years. It was genuinely fun and I learned so much. I know. It sounds like it sucks. But it *is* possible and you can do it. Learn to love it so that you stay consistent. Just don't stop. Make friends. Live with family. When you do enter industry, you'll enter as a mid- or senior- level. You've got this!
Get a security clearance. This will solve all your problems. I have the opposite problem as a cloud engineer. I get so many annoying phone calls and emails a day for 6 figure job offers for cleared positions at military bases. Idk know why yall want private sector so bad. Contracting pays pretty dang good. Not as good as private but close.
How does one acquire security clearance?
@@doseofdevy so most Department of Defense contracts require you to have a comptia security+ certificate. You study, you pay the money and take the exam. This will make you desirable to a contracting company. Then you look for jobs at these contracting companies that will sponsor a clearance. Once you are hired you will have to go through a whole process and wait several months til your clearance is issued. Once its adjucated then your in the money. There are multiple levels but if your entry level your best bet is going for a job with a secret clearance. Then once you get secret. Start looking for a new job that will upgrade your secret to a top secret. Then once you have a top secret clearance you wont have a problem finding a job ever again.
Thanks for the late night boost bro ❤
Its really hard to get an entry level job in software right now, but I see a bunch of LinkedIn positions for people with little to no work experience every day. Also, as you said in the video, companies are looking for specialization, which is dumb to ask of someone who has just graduated college, but at the same time, can be beneficial to those looking for work. It is much easier for CS people to add specific skills and projects to their resume, than every other major out there.
Sad and true I am computer science now I finish some certificate in cybersecurity analyst and I send for it support or held desk or information Technology and one o two send email in the future 🤡 or maybe I need better resume.
I have continually been getting into depressive loops because of this. I'm in the middle of school, and had a hiatus for a couple years because of my mental health.
Even though I'm back in school, I can't shake the feeling that I have no future now. School is already really hard, and I need to do all of that AND do extra to have a resume that sticks out for the PRIVILEGE of MAYBE getting into an interview and MAYBE passing an interview. Even if all of those aligned, I have the privilege of working at a business that maybe won't treat me like trash, except due due to decreased hiring, it's less likely I'll have as much of a ladder to climb.
I feel like I am climbing a tall mountain that is turning into a cliff.
Even when I am trying to make my situation better, trying to look for internship advice and career advice only makes me more depressed. ☹️
Going back to school has taken away my social life, makes my fiscal situation more difficult, and now it looks like there is no light at the end of the tunnel for all of that thanks to the job market.
I feel you, especially being in school as well. I take it day by day, because eventually I will be a senior engineer and these shithole companies will have no other choice but to hire us.
No cap, this is very well done homie. Good job (Larry June voice)
The same problem is happening within Cybersecurity.
Sadly even internships are becoming hard to find I found an internship I was going to apply to but rather than experience they want skills in a different way, they wanted someone who not only spoke English, but also French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese. That’s truly insane only a small percent of people can speak 5 languages.
That's absolutely ridiculous wow.
High quality video as always. Love the work!
Thanks 🙏🏾 😃
its definitely different entering the job market today for sure, but saying no one has ever used the things they learned during college is pretty dramatic. The underlying critical thinking and a lot of the theories (data structures / automata / networking / scheduling and much more) are things I reference almost daily while thinking through tasks or implementing features. Granted its more of an abstract application of those concepts but knowing them has definitely helped me in my career. Of course you could learn those same things via the internet as well but for some people self teaching isn't as effective (speaking for myself). I don't disagree with the video though college is over priced and there are no guarantees anymore even in the STEM jobs, a massive correction is needed on both the education and industry sides.