For anyone wondering why Karl has a hard time getting his chair under the stand, the cradle is obviously not all the way back as seen on 22:35 where the furthest back adjustment is seen sticking beyond the tray. It's also obvious when he moves the chair away at 33:00. Claiming that this product has a design flaw or something like that and thus most chairs will not fit under it is just silly. It's just a minor mistake on his behalf and I wish it was addressed in a pinned comment or in the description for people checking this out at at a later date (like myself).
I bought one of these stands (upgraded from Wheel Stand Pro because I've ordered a CSL DD with boost kit) because it was on a sale here, bought it for ~€190. I have the agptek lockable castor wheels, so I didn't care much about the cradle (I have an office chair), but I've installed it anyway, because this way I don't have to set the position of the wheels all the time. I don't have issues with my armrest (it's an office chair, not a gaming chair), but the wheel were too close (T300RS) even in the furthest position of the cradle (and I'm not tall, only 174cm/5'8.5"). The trick was for me to put only 1 castor wheel into the cradle, instead of two like recommended by NLR. This way the chair is a little more behind and it's the perfect position for me. Also, this thing is no joke, it's extremely heavy, I've bought the NLR castors for it and put two on the further positions. Too bad NLR only sells it in a 10-pack, but at least I will have all the castors if somewhen in the future I will have the space for a full cockpit. tl;dr, for those who have the issue with the chair too close to the wheel, try to put one wheel into the cradle instead of two.
Man I fucking love this dude! Actually cares, takes time to formulate a lot of actually helpful opinions (down to the smallest detail), and is just himself when it comes to recording videos. So many people put on a persona or voice or whatever, this guy just loves sim racing and wants to inform the hell out of you. Kudos, your authenticity shows in the best way possible. Keep up the good work, I have loved watching your videos since I first found you.
Raise your hands everyone who was waiting to see the stand fall directly into the tv from ~ 35:40 on. Spoiler: My heart stopped at 36:47 for a moment :) Informative and "exciting" review, Karl. Thanx
Thanks for the great reviews. I have only been watching your reviews recently and in a small amount of time, very impressed simply because they are thorough and informative yet still not too long. really really useful reviews.
I think the problem with spacing and the chair lies with your steering wheel being stuck so far out and not so much the chair or the stand but I can see how that’s annoying, stand works perfect for me and I have an R9 on there with a fairly decent sized QR.
This is exactly what I am looking for to use with my office chair on rollers and with my TMX wheel/pedals for ACC and Yoke/Pedals for flight simming. I wasn't sure about the adjustments that could be made with the pedal tray but you clearly showed that it can be adjusted for both lateral and angular. So cheers for the review - Overclockers have this on sale at just £159.95 so I'm off to hopefully grab one! 😉
Karl, you are my go-to reviewer when I need more information or longer review on a given sim racing product. There's just a wealth of crucial information that other reviewers sort of missed out on. Like, for example, the shifter mount issue. You went into great details that a prospective buyer of this wheel stand will encounter if they plan to use a shifter on their rig. Now, I ordered this wheel stand because GT Omega Apex Wheel Stand is stupidly rare and I can't wait no longer so even if this is more pricier than the Apex I still went out and bought it, but I don't plan on using a shifter, but I still find it a very useful information. That's just who you are, mate. Keep up the very, very good work. You deserve more subs.
Your gaming equipment has expanded outside of the game room into the rest of the house. My Mrs. wants all my gaming stuff IN the game room. Nice house, nice video, thanks.
Wow Karl the background of the video is so nice I like how the pictures of the wheels stand are in the tv and I appreciate that you also display the box for some people that might be important to see
I bought a WS2 as I have been using a desk for the last 20 years, updated to the G923 with H shifter from a Momo & had issues keeping the wheel & shifter on the desk while using Dirt rally 2, the WS2 works well with my computer chair as the arm rest folds up out of the way. No complaints from me & very happy with the result apart from the weight of the WS2, might end up putting castor wheels on the wheel stand.
I've been waiting for you to do a review on this. They claim it's out now but I had a chat with them and they said to expect availability end of November, early December.
I like how you went to into great detail when actually using the product and pointing out that chairs with armrests would struggle with a shifter mounted but luckily I don’t have a chair with an armrest.
I found that it's best to remove the armrest on the shifter side of most gaming chairs of any wheel stand like this. Also for thrustmaster/Logitech wheels users the steering wheel is much shorter than the direct drive setup used in this video. I can say with confidence that this stand or any similar stand with the arm rest removed shouldn't have the issues like in this video.
I have the Wheel Stand 2 and as you said I have removed the arm rests. I have the Logitech G920 with the shifter and and it all works perfectly. It is a rock solid stand and would highly recommend it. I will be buying the GT seat add on soon.
@@thefourfourfour9512 I did buy the seat and in my opinion it is so much better than having the gaming chair movement. I bought the GT seat add on and found it to be good quality and comfortable. I have put the whole stand on lockable wheels so it can be easily moved. You do sit lower with the seat add on but I just lowered the wheel mount and adjusted the pedal plate and I am extremely happy with it. I also added a buttkicker into the mix and loving sim racing. I hope this helps.
Bought one of these and set it up yesterday. I don't even use the tray and don't see myself folding it up most of the time. I think it needs way more thumb screws to make it more adjustable imo.
I want to thank you for the time and effort you put into vids like these . Thanks to you, I bought a GT Omega Apex wheel stand & I Love it. It’s as solid as a rock on my hardwood floors and office chair. (With locking wheels of course)
I use this stand with a DD pro. I have carpet that is not as thick and dont get as much movement as this. I don't even use the chair wheel tray. Note: I don't use a the shifter mount so don't have that problem. But, if you have a nice chair that has good lean back settings. This is a much better option then desk mounting a direct drive wheel.
Getting my 1st setup (csl dd and csl lc Pedals) too. Considering to buy this Wheelstand cuz i don’t have enough space for a whole cockpit and I need a new chair for my desk aswell. I just hope the chair swivelling won‘t affect my experience too much, but it looked alright on your testing :) Also the chair will be a „Backforce One Plus“ with which I can tilt the armrests so they won‘t affect the positioning of the chair 👍🏾
I don't understand why manufacturers of gaming chairs use "ordinary" castors so you are forced to find some way of preventing the chair from moving. Castors are available with manually activated brakes but far better are castors whuch brake when a weight is applied (e.g. when you sit on them) and ae free when unloaded. I searched online for replacement castors for my gaming chair and could only find thsie with manually activated brakes but load activated ones do exist for office chairs. i wouldn't have thought such an imptovement would add much to the cost of the chair.
Nice review! How do you like this wheel stand compared to NLR Wheel Stand DD? I have a podium DD1, but have no space for full cockpit at the moment so have to look at the wheelstands. Which would you advise to get WS 2.0 or WS DD?
I just purchased this. I use it with a similar char and don’t have an issue with the shifter. The cradle for the chair is adjustable as well which should allow you to move the chair further away from the shifter. The pedals can then be adjusted to compensate for the further distance from the stand.
Always best to watch the whole video mate, I explain that it's on it furthest away setting, also it would be very remiss of me to not experiment fully and try to make it work before publishing a video review.
@@KarlGosling Hi, did I missed something in the Video? Because I took another look on this "chairwheel holder" in your Video and it seems like you would have another 2 holes to get some further distance?! greetings
@@KarlGosling The cradels only at its furthest setting at the one end, the other end has another 2 levels of adjustment it can go back in the vid mate. Have the same one myself mines way futher back and arm doesnt hit shfter.
How does this compare the Wheel Stand DD? Would I be better off buying the DD and strapping my chair to the stand? How would you rate the 2.0 + chair compared to either the gt-lite or playseat challenge?
Excellent review as always Karl 👍 the wheelstand is something I've looked at myself, and is definitely something I'm considering. The chair 😯 how much? That's pretty ridiculous for the price, especially as 'oh the irony' your old office chair did the job perfectly well, if not better and im sure we've all got one kicking about somewhere 😉
I have a Secretlab Omega 2020, and it works perfectly for me (I'm 168 cm tall) You probably should lower your wheel plate so it get further from the chair craddle (and so the shifter plate too) My armrest doesn't get in the shifter's way after adjusting it.
I use this stand with a Thrustmaster TX and the open wheel rim. I too had problems initially with clearance with my body. I'm a rather tall and large(around the mid section) guy and the solution for me was to lower the seat to the lowest it can go, tilt the seat back a little bit and raise the back rest forwards a little. I do not have the shifter attached though so the armrest are of no issue to me. EDIT: The chair I'm using is a noblechairs Hero.
Hi Karl, great video as usual. I`m looking at going DD with a wheel stand. Just watched your other video ( Next Level Wheel Stand DD ), which wound you say is more studier and better for a DD base. Thanks
When you get the GT Seat add on. This Stand and the Seat cost more than their high end rigs, what happened their in the cost department? So i don't think this is an entry level stand anymore :))
Thanks for the review!! I have just received mine today - may I ask which bolt did you use to mount the CSL pedal? I can use the M8 from the wheelstand package to mount the pedal's end, but the included M6 is not long enough to mount into the pedal's base plate? Cheers!
@@KarlGosling from 21:07 onwards you can clearly see that its not all the way back as the brackets stick out past the cradle. Dont know if it would have solved your problems with the shifter as i am using a Shh newt mounted on top. But i am 2,08m tall and have no problem getting in or finding a comfortable seating position.
I have one of these and it took me a couple of months to get used to it. With respect he is making all the mistakes that I did when I first had mine. I have put two velcro straps to hold the chair locking device in place, it works perfectly. I can change to use this in under 3 mins including connecting to the pc and arranging the desk etc. It really is a case of getting used to. it it is excellent I wouldn't use the shifter attachment though as it is too flimsy. I use it with an 8nm CSL DD on 100% FF and have no flex anywhere. My biggest problem is it's weight but all I did was replace the feet with casters.... But I will say it did take a while for me to get the best out of it.
Karl, I would love to see if it's possible to somehow combine a wheel stand, like the Wheel Stand DD with the seat section of a Playseat Challenge to give a true high NM direct drive setup solution for those who don't have space for a full permanent rig, basically using the wheel stand instead of the wheel mount on the Playseat Challenge.
What do you suggest compared with this wheel stand with playseat challenge for DD pro? As F-gt lite seems too waste of time for setting. Any review or compare with this two setting as a foldable wheel stand and foldable cockpit for limited size of the apartment? thanks.
Just setup my stand I am waiting for my wheel etc to come before I can fully set it up. But it does look like the shifter and handbrake mount can be installed inwards more if that makes sense? This will give more space towards the stand with a chair.
Looking to either buy the NLR GT-Lite Pro cockpit or this wheel stand. What would you guys recommend for a CSL DD? replies would be greatly appreciated
@@KarlGosling np, how did u find the 2.0 with the csl dd? was it sturdy enough, im interested in the 2.0 as i have a spare gaming chair to use on it (iv taken the arms off) and will plan to buy proper seat addon later
Mate just take off the arm rests and most of your problems are solved, its the first thing i do when i get a new chair. For a foldable rig this and the vevor clone are rhe best options
Hi Karl, Thanks for all the reviews. All very informative and allowed me to dive into world of sim racing setups :) Specifically for CSL DD 8nm, would you recommend a foldable setup like F GT Lite or a wheel stand? Considering 8nm is a decent torque, and you mentioned in recent upgrade video that solid cockpit is crucial, i was leaning towards this wheel stand (yes, low on space). But i noticed your answer under this video, where you prefer PS challenge over any wheelstand. Now I am scratching my head in confusion! Which rig is better for 8nm DD? Should i go for a 'full' foldable cockpit, or with 8nm it would be better to have something more stable like this wheelstand? I was under impression it would be better to pick wheel stand 2.0 to avoid damping i'd get from gt flexing. I appreciate your help :) Keep awesome work up!
I have basicly the same dilema. I am with the 5nm wheel andcsl LC but the option for 8nm update is always there. I dont see how the flex of the gt lite could be better but fully understand the the idea of fix chair. What choice have you made in the end and what will be your choice now?
Hi mate Could u kindly advise what is the 1. seat depth of the element chair 2. What is the floor to seat height on the lowest setting please including the seat thickness and excluding the seat thickness Much obliged!
It looks like I'm not missing anything with my GTOMEGA Apex and a ratcheting cargo strap. My TH8A has no issues with my AK gaming chair. And the Apex stand doesn't wobble like that.
would you recommend this or the next level racing gt lite for the fanatec gt dd pro 8nm i am really thorn but i have a secret lab chair so i don't necessarily need the seat of the gt lite
Hi Karl, have you ever reviewed office chairs please? Secret Lab are supposed to be the dogs danglies, but are twice price of GT Racing and similar. Thanks
PSC is a complete cockpit so always gives a better driving position, this versus the Apex is really up to you mate, this has a better pedal tray and if you can find a seat to fit it works well! :)
My 1st thought was getting a chair that doesnt have wheels. Like a kitchen chair with no arms. It wont move against a rug n ur arm wont hit the shifter
To be fair it looks like you are using a wheelbase with a adapter + a wheel which seems deep (?) making the whole unit quite long. I guess that the ergonomics would probably be alot better with lower end wheelbases or more normal wheels? Anyway, nice to see a honest review 👍
Yes I did, but I don't think you can review something based on modifying your chair to make it work as this is not a fair requirement of use. Also it would still be far too close, even with the GT3 wheel as mentioned.
hey Karl! this is a good review of the NLR wheel stand 2.0, however i think you should've actually read the user manual beforehand. the wheel caster bar has adjustable distance which would've made it work out really well with any office chair or "gaming" chair if you set it to the furthest setting. the wheel caster bar also comes with specific washers which are supposed to prevent it from flapping around and unscrewing itself whenever you fold it, i don't know if you used these washers when you set the stand up? if you still have this stand around, you should try what i wrote above and if it works out for you like it does to me than i think you should add annotations in this video where you complain about the wheel caster bar
I of course read the manual (best not to assume I didn't in future), I even covered the adjustable distance in the video and said it was all the way out (you perhaps didn't watch the whole video or were not paying full attention?), also no it did not come with washers to stop the bolts unscrewing, this was a review sample and I suspect that was added in afterwards as feedback showed it was a problem.
@@KarlGosling hello Karl, i actually have watched the video fully from start to finish. i have not assumed that you didn't read the user manual, the reason i noted you did not read the manual is because in the video itself you yourself mentioned that you did not read the user manual lol i'm sure the version you received is likely a review sample, but in the video even i can see that on the caster holders you didn't configure them to the furthest setting (if you watch closely you can see that they are configured to the closest setting and have an excess screw hole poking out from the front which shows that). again i am not going against you, i've watched many of your videos and i have most of my setup thanks to your reviews, i just happen to notice that in this particular video you could've done a little bit better thats all. peace ✌🏻
Whenever I see GT Omega I feel compelled to suggest avoiding them. I had a horrible experience with an incomplete product and insulting support trying to get it resolved which it never was. There are many other reputable companies to buy from. This is my experience and I understand it's not the average I have heard from GT Omega customers. Other than that nice setup and review Karl!
@@sermerlin1 My comment was to share my negative experience with GT Omega as a company and not a comment on the quality or suitability of any specific product.
Wondering what to get for my first go at sim racing, keep an eye out for a logitech wheel/pedals and shifter under £200 and get a wheel stand like the gt omega or next level ones or i have found a play seat alcantra for £350, or any other options you reccomend, i am 6ft if that makes any difference
@@KarlGosling ALright, the GT omega ART is out of stock atm, unless you know any other sites. how about the option of going for the gt omega classic wheel stand and upgrading it down the line? Any idea how easy it can be strengthened to stop flex? i have grinders, welders etc. I could get the omega stand for £95 and then if i like racing get the rear seat frame and a seat for £220ish.
@@KarlGosling sweet. Thanks Karl. Keep up the good work mate. Watched a ton of your videos the last week. And I'll make sure to use your get omega codes.
Was wondering what could be most interesting in the folding rigs: fgt lite or wheel stand 2.0...since i do feel a lot of upwards and downwards flex steering wheel/base wise on the fgt lite...would i make a better choice switching to the wheel stand combined with a half taken apart fgt lite / ikea poang chair / office chair? Or just stick to the fgt lite?
I will be purchasing the 2.0 as I currently use a wheelstand pro and a IKEA poäng when I race. The poäng does provide a decent and comfy seating position but it flexes/moves when braking or steering to wildly. It seems that its not to uncommon to mod the the chair with supports under the armrests to make it more solid and stop it from tilting back. That mod + some antislip under it will probably be my solution.
The point of the included "Chair Link" is literally because a lot of people do use office and gaming chairs. If you are buying a wheel stand, an entire dedicated racing rig is likely outside of your budget or wants/needs. This is a great solution for most people. The issue of it being too short as shown in this video has actually been addressed and is now much longer (because yes usability goes before complete realism).
Huge yikes, my Secret Lab Evo xl looks exactly like your chair, so I think I might be in for a rude awakening once the stand (finally) arrives, - ordered in November, looking at mid February stock. Also I'm a bit alarmed about you saying it's not as sturdy as their DD stand - from my research it seemed the materials are about the same? The thing is I got tired of Fanatec's delays with CSL DD so I cancelled my order and got Simucube 2 Pro instead, which seems to be overkill for this stand even on lower torque settings. With so much waiting involved I also got HE Sprints, I'm happy to see the plate seems to be sturdy enough... I hope. I can't get a rig as I have very limited space, I'm not going to move my rig to the living room and 1.5x1.5m floor space is all I get for setting this up.
@@KarlGosling Reassuring. I just need to figure out a way to anchor my chair to the stand, like the belt Barry used in his review, Or I might be able to use my lack of space to my advantage, I could just move the stand a little bit back to lean my chair against the bed. The cradle was a selling point until I saw your video.
@@Frosty_V0 It did actually. One thing, I had to put the wheel base shaft very high to match it properly, but it worked. Moved into 8020 rig since then, bolted the same chair
@@KarlGosling My apologies Karl, the cockpit is £299.95. However in my defence the first 3 links I got when doing a UK search only showed the combined cockpit and chair suggesting it was a combined unit.
just a honest review as always from Karl! really like it that you dont kiss the compays asses and be totally honst about things that you dont like or like.!
"Manage your expectations", words I told my wife on our wedding day 🤣
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Still married? :D
@@danieldulberg2167 yes, and she's happily married cos she doesn't expect to much 🤣
😆 🤣 😂 😹
For anyone wondering why Karl has a hard time getting his chair under the stand, the cradle is obviously not all the way back as seen on 22:35 where the furthest back adjustment is seen sticking beyond the tray. It's also obvious when he moves the chair away at 33:00. Claiming that this product has a design flaw or something like that and thus most chairs will not fit under it is just silly. It's just a minor mistake on his behalf and I wish it was addressed in a pinned comment or in the description for people checking this out at at a later date (like myself).
I bought one of these stands (upgraded from Wheel Stand Pro because I've ordered a CSL DD with boost kit) because it was on a sale here, bought it for ~€190. I have the agptek lockable castor wheels, so I didn't care much about the cradle (I have an office chair), but I've installed it anyway, because this way I don't have to set the position of the wheels all the time. I don't have issues with my armrest (it's an office chair, not a gaming chair), but the wheel were too close (T300RS) even in the furthest position of the cradle (and I'm not tall, only 174cm/5'8.5"). The trick was for me to put only 1 castor wheel into the cradle, instead of two like recommended by NLR. This way the chair is a little more behind and it's the perfect position for me.
Also, this thing is no joke, it's extremely heavy, I've bought the NLR castors for it and put two on the further positions. Too bad NLR only sells it in a 10-pack, but at least I will have all the castors if somewhen in the future I will have the space for a full cockpit.
tl;dr, for those who have the issue with the chair too close to the wheel, try to put one wheel into the cradle instead of two.
Man I fucking love this dude! Actually cares, takes time to formulate a lot of actually helpful opinions (down to the smallest detail), and is just himself when it comes to recording videos. So many people put on a persona or voice or whatever, this guy just loves sim racing and wants to inform the hell out of you. Kudos, your authenticity shows in the best way possible. Keep up the good work, I have loved watching your videos since I first found you.
Thats very kind of you mate thanks!
Raise your hands everyone who was waiting to see the stand fall directly into the tv from ~ 35:40 on. Spoiler: My heart stopped at 36:47 for a moment :) Informative and "exciting" review, Karl. Thanx
I’ve seen a couple of review videos for this but I feel yours is the best and by far the most honest, keep it up Karl 👍🏻
Thanks Kevin!
Agreed. Very in depth and critical, that's what you want from a review.
Thanks for the great reviews. I have only been watching your reviews recently and in a small amount of time, very impressed simply because they are thorough and informative yet still not too long. really really useful reviews.
Glad you like them!
I think the problem with spacing and the chair lies with your steering wheel being stuck so far out and not so much the chair or the stand but I can see how that’s annoying, stand works perfect for me and I have an R9 on there with a fairly decent sized QR.
This is exactly what I am looking for to use with my office chair on rollers and with my TMX wheel/pedals for ACC and Yoke/Pedals for flight simming. I wasn't sure about the adjustments that could be made with the pedal tray but you clearly showed that it can be adjusted for both lateral and angular. So cheers for the review - Overclockers have this on sale at just £159.95 so I'm off to hopefully grab one! 😉
Spot on mate sounds good!
Karl, you are my go-to reviewer when I need more information or longer review on a given sim racing product. There's just a wealth of crucial information that other reviewers sort of missed out on. Like, for example, the shifter mount issue. You went into great details that a prospective buyer of this wheel stand will encounter if they plan to use a shifter on their rig. Now, I ordered this wheel stand because GT Omega Apex Wheel Stand is stupidly rare and I can't wait no longer so even if this is more pricier than the Apex I still went out and bought it, but I don't plan on using a shifter, but I still find it a very useful information. That's just who you are, mate. Keep up the very, very good work. You deserve more subs.
Very kind words thanks Marvin!
New into the racing and you Karl is the one that watched the most.. Your videos are the most honest i think. Keep it up
I appreciate that!
Your gaming equipment has expanded outside of the game room into the rest of the house. My Mrs. wants all my gaming stuff IN the game room. Nice house, nice video, thanks.
lol It's only here for the review, I needed the floor space!
I have a Nouhaus Computer Office Chair that has folding arm rests. Works great with this stand.
Wow Karl the background of the video is so nice I like how the pictures of the wheels stand are in the tv and I appreciate that you also display the box for some people that might be important to see
Thank you! That is exactly why the box is there :)
I bought a WS2 as I have been using a desk for the last 20 years, updated to the G923 with H shifter from a Momo & had issues keeping the wheel & shifter on the desk while using Dirt rally 2, the WS2 works well with my computer chair as the arm rest folds up out of the way. No complaints from me & very happy with the result apart from the weight of the WS2, might end up putting castor wheels on the wheel stand.
Sounds good mate! :)
Great review. Just bought this, with a DXRacer chair and an T300 installed. Works perfect for me (but I don't use a shifter 😉 )
Thx for the comment. Confirmed purchased for me. I too own a dxracer chair
I've been waiting for you to do a review on this. They claim it's out now but I had a chat with them and they said to expect availability end of November, early December.
I like how you went to into great detail when actually using the product and pointing out that chairs with armrests would struggle with a shifter mounted but luckily I don’t have a chair with an armrest.
Thanks mate!
@@KarlGosling2 more holes left on the backside of the cradle mate. Makes your point unvalid mate
I found that it's best to remove the armrest on the shifter side of most gaming chairs of any wheel stand like this. Also for thrustmaster/Logitech wheels users the steering wheel is much shorter than the direct drive setup used in this video. I can say with confidence that this stand or any similar stand with the arm rest removed shouldn't have the issues like in this video.
I have the Wheel Stand 2 and as you said I have removed the arm rests. I have the Logitech G920 with the shifter and and it all works perfectly. It is a rock solid stand and would highly recommend it. I will be buying the GT seat add on soon.
@@imafraidofclowns740did you ever buy the seat?
I'm thinking of getting now but worried I'll sit too low compared to my gaming chair
@@thefourfourfour9512 I did buy the seat and in my opinion it is so much better than having the gaming chair movement.
I bought the GT seat add on and found it to be good quality and comfortable.
I have put the whole stand on lockable wheels so it can be easily moved.
You do sit lower with the seat add on but I just lowered the wheel mount and adjusted the pedal plate and I am extremely happy with it. I also added a buttkicker into the mix and loving sim racing.
I hope this helps.
@@imafraidofclowns740 thanks for the reply. Looks like im gonna have to bite the bullet
Bought one of these and set it up yesterday. I don't even use the tray and don't see myself folding it up most of the time. I think it needs way more thumb screws to make it more adjustable imo.
Hindsight, probably would just go with the DD instead.
I want to thank you for the time and effort you put into vids like these . Thanks to you, I bought a GT Omega Apex wheel stand & I Love it. It’s as solid as a rock on my hardwood floors and office chair. (With locking wheels of course)
Glad you like them mate! :)
I use this stand with a DD pro. I have carpet that is not as thick and dont get as much movement as this. I don't even use the chair wheel tray. Note: I don't use a the shifter mount so don't have that problem. But, if you have a nice chair that has good lean back settings. This is a much better option then desk mounting a direct drive wheel.
Can't wait to see the 3rd party boost kit video. Still can't believe the mark up on the power supply.
Getting my 1st setup (csl dd and csl lc Pedals) too.
Considering to buy this Wheelstand cuz i don’t have enough space for a whole cockpit and I need a new chair for my desk aswell.
I just hope the chair swivelling won‘t affect my experience too much, but it looked alright on your testing :) Also the chair will be a „Backforce One Plus“ with which I can tilt the armrests so they won‘t affect the positioning of the chair 👍🏾
I don't understand why manufacturers of gaming chairs use "ordinary" castors so you are forced to find some way of preventing the chair from moving. Castors are available with manually activated brakes but far better are castors whuch brake when a weight is applied (e.g. when you sit on them) and ae free when unloaded. I searched online for replacement castors for my gaming chair and could only find thsie with manually activated brakes but load activated ones do exist for office chairs. i wouldn't have thought such an imptovement would add much to the cost of the chair.
Nice review! How do you like this wheel stand compared to NLR Wheel Stand DD? I have a podium DD1, but have no space for full cockpit at the moment so have to look at the wheelstands. Which would you advise to get WS 2.0 or WS DD?
Both are pretty solid for a wheel stand but the DD is a bit beefier.
it’s a conundrum. but i do like it can be extended to add the seat portion. oh by the by - are you getting WRC ‘23?
I just purchased this. I use it with a similar char and don’t have an issue with the shifter. The cradle for the chair is adjustable as well which should allow you to move the chair further away from the shifter. The pedals can then be adjusted to compensate for the further distance from the stand.
Always best to watch the whole video mate, I explain that it's on it furthest away setting, also it would be very remiss of me to not experiment fully and try to make it work before publishing a video review.
@@KarlGosling Hi, did I missed something in the Video? Because I took another look on this "chairwheel holder" in your Video and it seems like you would have another 2 holes to get some further distance?! greetings
@@KarlGosling The cradels only at its furthest setting at the one end, the other end has another 2 levels of adjustment it can go back in the vid mate. Have the same one myself mines way futher back and arm doesnt hit shfter.
@@AdamMickMannisVery true he didn't see that
@@Mighty.T 23:28 At here, didn’t he acknowledge that tho?
How does this compare the Wheel Stand DD? Would I be better off buying the DD and strapping my chair to the stand?
How would you rate the 2.0 + chair compared to either the gt-lite or playseat challenge?
DD is more solid. Maybe. I prefer either of the full foldable cockpits.
@@KarlGosling Thanks really appreciate your input, keep up the great reviews!
I have this one & love it but I am a beginner to sim racing. Gonna add the seat extension next, followed by an stream deck.
Good review, but you remind me of the Nigel from Spinal tap with some of his comments. Too good. 😂
LMFAO your chair connections issues are hilarious. just ordered one, I think my chair will be fine
Yeah kind of ruined my fun! lol
Excellent review as always Karl 👍 the wheelstand is something I've looked at myself, and is definitely something I'm considering.
The chair 😯 how much? That's pretty ridiculous for the price, especially as 'oh the irony' your old office chair did the job perfectly well, if not better and im sure we've all got one kicking about somewhere 😉
Absolutely!
I took the arms off the chair cause you dont really use the arms when sim racing.
I used bungies to minimise swivel.
This, idk why he didn't think of that in the vid at all
I used to have breaks on my caster wheels which worked a treat
I have a Secretlab Omega 2020, and it works perfectly for me (I'm 168 cm tall)
You probably should lower your wheel plate so it get further from the chair craddle (and so the shifter plate too)
My armrest doesn't get in the shifter's way after adjusting it.
I use this stand with a Thrustmaster TX and the open wheel rim. I too had problems initially with clearance with my body. I'm a rather tall and large(around the mid section) guy and the solution for me was to lower the seat to the lowest it can go, tilt the seat back a little bit and raise the back rest forwards a little. I do not have the shifter attached though so the armrest are of no issue to me.
EDIT: The chair I'm using is a noblechairs Hero.
Hi Karl, great video as usual. I`m looking at going DD with a wheel stand. Just watched your other video ( Next Level Wheel Stand DD ), which wound you say is more studier and better for a DD base. Thanks
When you get the GT Seat add on. This Stand and the Seat cost more than their high end rigs, what happened their in the cost department? So i don't think this is an entry level stand anymore :))
Thanks for the review!! I have just received mine today - may I ask which bolt did you use to mount the CSL pedal? I can use the M8 from the wheelstand package to mount the pedal's end, but the included M6 is not long enough to mount into the pedal's base plate?
Cheers!
It was too long ago for me to remember mate sorry.
@@KarlGosling no worries mate! I will give Bunnings a visit then! LOL
You could have adjusted the chair craddle 2 holes back. Maybe it should have solved the problem of the chair being too close to the wheel base
Maybe you missed it but I said I had it all the way back.
@@KarlGosling from 21:07 onwards you can clearly see that its not all the way back as the brackets stick out past the cradle.
Dont know if it would have solved your problems with the shifter as i am using a Shh newt mounted on top.
But i am 2,08m tall and have no problem getting in or finding a comfortable seating position.
@@Fleshless1991 23:28 At here, didn’t he acknowledge that tho?
I have one of these and it took me a couple of months to get used to it. With respect he is making all the mistakes that I did when I first had mine. I have put two velcro straps to hold the chair locking device in place, it works perfectly. I can change to use this in under 3 mins including connecting to the pc and arranging the desk etc. It really is a case of getting used to. it it is excellent I wouldn't use the shifter attachment though as it is too flimsy. I use it with an 8nm CSL DD on 100% FF and have no flex anywhere. My biggest problem is it's weight but all I did was replace the feet with casters.... But I will say it did take a while for me to get the best out of it.
Karl, I would love to see if it's possible to somehow combine a wheel stand, like the Wheel Stand DD with the seat section of a Playseat Challenge to give a true high NM direct drive setup solution for those who don't have space for a full permanent rig, basically using the wheel stand instead of the wheel mount on the Playseat Challenge.
I think the PSC would sit too low, but I can't be sure of course, interesting idea :)
Crazy question but hear me out.
Do you think I can use this stand with a Lazy boy recliner?
You could try?!
What do you suggest compared with this wheel stand with playseat challenge for DD pro? As F-gt lite seems too waste of time for setting. Any review or compare with this two setting as a foldable wheel stand and foldable cockpit for limited size of the apartment? thanks.
Either will be fine but the PSC is a full cockpit not just a stand so will always win for me, I don't like not having a seat attached.
Just setup my stand I am waiting for my wheel etc to come before I can fully set it up. But it does look like the shifter and handbrake mount can be installed inwards more if that makes sense?
This will give more space towards the stand with a chair.
Can't you just take the left armrest off the chair to fit it under the gear platform?
Yeah you sure could!
What do you think is better for a small bedroom rig, this or the playseat challenge?
PSC.
Looking to either buy the NLR GT-Lite Pro cockpit or this wheel stand. What would you guys recommend for a CSL DD? replies would be greatly appreciated
A full cockpit is always preferable to a wheel stand mate, link to both here nextlevelracing.com/?ref=4926
@@KarlGosling thanks I was leaning towards the cockpit as well. Appreciate the reply and love your vids. Always a pleasure to watch
im planning to get the wheel stand 2.0 and the csl dd, did either one come with the right bolts etc? or did you have to source that seperately?
Honestly I can't remember mate sorry!
@@KarlGosling np, how did u find the 2.0 with the csl dd? was it sturdy enough, im interested in the 2.0 as i have a spare gaming chair to use on it (iv taken the arms off) and will plan to buy proper seat addon later
Mate just take off the arm rests and most of your problems are solved, its the first thing i do when i get a new chair. For a foldable rig this and the vevor clone are rhe best options
Modifying your chair is not part of a product review process! lol... But yes that would help for those that want to.
Is there a significant difference in terms of rigidity between this and the GT Omega Classic wheel stand?
Hi Karl ! with a DD pro in sight and foldability needs would you recommend this or a playseat challenge ?
I prefer the PS to any wheel stand.
... I skipped though some of the video, so dunno if you mentioned you can get a Next Level chair for this and turn it into a full cockpit
Hi Karl,
Thanks for all the reviews. All very informative and allowed me to dive into world of sim racing setups :)
Specifically for CSL DD 8nm, would you recommend a foldable setup like F GT Lite or a wheel stand? Considering 8nm is a decent torque, and you mentioned in recent upgrade video that solid cockpit is crucial, i was leaning towards this wheel stand (yes, low on space). But i noticed your answer under this video, where you prefer PS challenge over any wheelstand.
Now I am scratching my head in confusion! Which rig is better for 8nm DD? Should i go for a 'full' foldable cockpit, or with 8nm it would be better to have something more stable like this wheelstand? I was under impression it would be better to pick wheel stand 2.0 to avoid damping i'd get from gt flexing.
I appreciate your help :) Keep awesome work up!
I prefer my seat to be attached to the rest of the cockpit, so for me a PSC or F-GT Lite is preferable even though they are not as solid as a stand.
@@KarlGosling thanks for getting back to me! You're a legend :)
I have basicly the same dilema. I am with the 5nm wheel andcsl LC but the option for 8nm update is always there. I dont see how the flex of the gt lite could be better but fully understand the the idea of fix chair. What choice have you made in the end and what will be your choice now?
Whats brand is that office chair? 😊 looks like its does the job perfect and looks very comfortable 😃
23:07 Have you tried to move the chair back by moving the chair tray backwards to clear some space?
Hi mate
Could u kindly advise what is the
1. seat depth of the element chair
2. What is the floor to seat height on the lowest setting please including the seat thickness and excluding the seat thickness
Much obliged!
Sorry I do not have these any more.
@@KarlGosling so u returned this due to not being comfy or was it because it didn't fit your wheel?
It looks like I'm not missing anything with my GTOMEGA Apex and a ratcheting cargo strap. My TH8A has no issues with my AK gaming chair. And the Apex stand doesn't wobble like that.
would you recommend this or the next level racing gt lite for the fanatec gt dd pro 8nm i am really thorn but i have a secret lab chair so i don't necessarily need the seat of the gt lite
I always prefer a full cockpit where the seat is physically fixed to the rest of it... but that's just my opinion mate.
Hi Karl, have you ever reviewed office chairs please? Secret Lab are supposed to be the dogs danglies, but are twice price of GT Racing and similar. Thanks
I've not mate sorry.
@@KarlGosling sounds like an excuse then for a few vendors to send you gaming chairs :D cheers
Good review as always. Which power supply are you using?
has this been updated since the review? on their website the bracket for the chair cradle looks to be able to go further back than in the video?
Could be mate.
Waiting for this to go in stock for the US, not yet. Would you recommend this over the gt omega apex wheel stand?
or maybe playseat challenge
PSC is a complete cockpit so always gives a better driving position, this versus the Apex is really up to you mate, this has a better pedal tray and if you can find a seat to fit it works well! :)
@@KarlGosling I will try out the stand then, if it works out then Ill see a frame and maybe get a car chair from a junkyard!
My 1st thought was getting a chair that doesnt have wheels. Like a kitchen chair with no arms. It wont move against a rug n ur arm wont hit the shifter
Tips back under hard braking.
Is it possible to not install the shifter and handbrake mounting and plate , as I wouldn't be using it.
Great review! Earned a sub!
To be fair it looks like you are using a wheelbase with a adapter + a wheel which seems deep (?) making the whole unit quite long. I guess that the ergonomics would probably be alot better with lower end wheelbases or more normal wheels?
Anyway, nice to see a honest review 👍
This wheel is deep which is why I tried the Fanatec GT3 wheel also.
@@KarlGosling I see, must have missed that part or when you mentioned it.
@@slimracer1553 yes mate, immediately after I said it was too close to my chest :)
@@KarlGosling2 more holes left in back of the cradle mate. Your fault
Excellent review
Glad you liked it!
Hi guys, do you think this wheel stand worth the 100 euros more than the Apex wheel stand?
In your opinion, do you think this is the 2.0 for the wheel stand or the wheel stand DD?
DD is more solid but if you can find a chair that fits the 2.0 works well.
Helo, may I ask what is difference between Next Level Racing Wheel Stand 2.0 and Next Level Racing Wheel Stand DD, which one is better? Thank you.
DD is beefier and so less flex.
My moza gear isn’t lining up with the holes on this stand
should i get this or the dd or the gt omega apex? sturdiness and wobblefree is most important for me. im using a csl elite
DD Is the sturdiest.
@@KarlGosling im my country its not that easy to get the dd. almost no shop offer them so im between the apex and 2.0.
Did you consider removing the arms piieces from the chair and test position / usability ?
Yes I did, but I don't think you can review something based on modifying your chair to make it work as this is not a fair requirement of use.
Also it would still be far too close, even with the GT3 wheel as mentioned.
hey Karl! this is a good review of the NLR wheel stand 2.0, however i think you should've actually read the user manual beforehand.
the wheel caster bar has adjustable distance which would've made it work out really well with any office chair or "gaming" chair if you set it to the furthest setting.
the wheel caster bar also comes with specific washers which are supposed to prevent it from flapping around and unscrewing itself whenever you fold it, i don't know if you used these washers when you set the stand up?
if you still have this stand around, you should try what i wrote above and if it works out for you like it does to me than i think you should add annotations in this video where you complain about the wheel caster bar
I of course read the manual (best not to assume I didn't in future), I even covered the adjustable distance in the video and said it was all the way out (you perhaps didn't watch the whole video or were not paying full attention?), also no it did not come with washers to stop the bolts unscrewing, this was a review sample and I suspect that was added in afterwards as feedback showed it was a problem.
@@KarlGosling hello Karl, i actually have watched the video fully from start to finish.
i have not assumed that you didn't read the user manual, the reason i noted you did not read the manual is because in the video itself you yourself mentioned that you did not read the user manual lol
i'm sure the version you received is likely a review sample, but in the video even i can see that on the caster holders you didn't configure them to the furthest setting (if you watch closely you can see that they are configured to the closest setting and have an excess screw hole poking out from the front which shows that).
again i am not going against you, i've watched many of your videos and i have most of my setup thanks to your reviews, i just happen to notice that in this particular video you could've done a little bit better thats all.
peace ✌🏻
Whenever I see GT Omega I feel compelled to suggest avoiding them. I had a horrible experience with an incomplete product and insulting support trying to get it resolved which it never was. There are many other reputable companies to buy from. This is my experience and I understand it's not the average I have heard from GT Omega customers. Other than that nice setup and review Karl!
Why? GT omega Apex seems like a very compelling alternative to this 2.0 wheel stand.
@@sermerlin1 My comment was to share my negative experience with GT Omega as a company and not a comment on the quality or suitability of any specific product.
Trying to buy one of these stands Karl , i have a gt omega classic at the moment, any ideas where i can get one that is in stock in the uk ?? :)))))
I don't mate sorry.
36:39 Would have sucked to drop it on the TV!
It would! lol
Awesome vid mate, made me order one over the Apex.
Karl please review CSL load cell pedal before pre-orders opens.
It's under embargo.
Any idea where I can purchase this in the uk? I'm struggling
your home is stunning good video how did they get it so wrong surely they tryed a dx racer or somthing and tested it clearly not
Use punctuation, man.
You mentioned an Amazon link. Is there one?
Description mate, but currently no stock :(
Karl which is for you the best Simracing Stand among all those you have tried? If you can let me know, so on Monday I run to buy it : D
Just add some interlocking gym mats underneath as a cheap fix.
Wondering what to get for my first go at sim racing, keep an eye out for a logitech wheel/pedals and shifter under £200 and get a wheel stand like the gt omega or next level ones or i have found a play seat alcantra for £350, or any other options you reccomend, i am 6ft if that makes any difference
If you have room for a full cockpit then GT Omega ART IMO.
@@KarlGosling ALright, the GT omega ART is out of stock atm, unless you know any other sites.
how about the option of going for the gt omega classic wheel stand and upgrading it down the line? Any idea how easy it can be strengthened to stop flex? i have grinders, welders etc.
I could get the omega stand for £95 and then if i like racing get the rear seat frame and a seat for £220ish.
@@Mayhemz.95 that would work yes! Any sort of cross bracing will help as I did for my ART.
@@KarlGosling sweet.
Thanks Karl.
Keep up the good work mate.
Watched a ton of your videos the last week.
And I'll make sure to use your get omega codes.
This one or the nlr dd stand?
Can you tell me what brand that beautiful looking sound system is? Thanks
I can! :) www.jamo.com/
Sweet. There's a dealer 30 miles from me here in the states. Thank you. Keep up the great work.
Was wondering what could be most interesting in the folding rigs: fgt lite or wheel stand 2.0...since i do feel a lot of upwards and downwards flex steering wheel/base wise on the fgt lite...would i make a better choice switching to the wheel stand combined with a half taken apart fgt lite / ikea poang chair / office chair? Or just stick to the fgt lite?
I will be purchasing the 2.0 as I currently use a wheelstand pro and a IKEA poäng when I race. The poäng does provide a decent and comfy seating position but it flexes/moves when braking or steering to wildly. It seems that its not to uncommon to mod the the chair with supports under the armrests to make it more solid and stop it from tilting back. That mod + some antislip under it will probably be my solution.
Great job!
Thanks!
Hi Karl
What wheel rim is that? Do you have a link
Yes mate www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=sparco+r215&_sacat=0&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&siteid=3&campid=5338627301&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1
How does this compare to the GT Omega Apex?
Better pedal tray otherwise very similar.
@@KarlGosling thanks mate
It cracked me at 23:20 lol
Should just not add the arm rests. If it’s meant to mimic a racing seat you wouldn’t have them anyway. 👍🏻
It's a desk chair mate, but taking them off for racing is a good idea!
The point of the included "Chair Link" is literally because a lot of people do use office and gaming chairs. If you are buying a wheel stand, an entire dedicated racing rig is likely outside of your budget or wants/needs. This is a great solution for most people. The issue of it being too short as shown in this video has actually been addressed and is now much longer (because yes usability goes before complete realism).
@@captain4318wait, it’s been addressed? When and where?
i took that silly tray thing off and bought some locking wheels for my chair instead ... Much better
Then you lose the wheel functionality of the chair
Wait the issue is in the thrustmaster shifter 😅
Just out here waiting for that csl load cell video 😩😩 hit the like button on all Karl goslings videos
Under embargo mate.
Huge yikes, my Secret Lab Evo xl looks exactly like your chair, so I think I might be in for a rude awakening once the stand (finally) arrives, - ordered in November, looking at mid February stock. Also I'm a bit alarmed about you saying it's not as sturdy as their DD stand - from my research it seemed the materials are about the same? The thing is I got tired of Fanatec's delays with CSL DD so I cancelled my order and got Simucube 2 Pro instead, which seems to be overkill for this stand even on lower torque settings. With so much waiting involved I also got HE Sprints, I'm happy to see the plate seems to be sturdy enough... I hope. I can't get a rig as I have very limited space, I'm not going to move my rig to the living room and 1.5x1.5m floor space is all I get for setting this up.
You'll be fine with suitable torque settings and a soft brake pedal setup.
@@KarlGosling Reassuring. I just need to figure out a way to anchor my chair to the stand, like the belt Barry used in his review, Or I might be able to use my lack of space to my advantage, I could just move the stand a little bit back to lean my chair against the bed. The cradle was a selling point until I saw your video.
@@TrueKivandid it work with the chair or no?
@@Frosty_V0 It did actually. One thing, I had to put the wheel base shaft very high to match it properly, but it worked. Moved into 8020 rig since then, bolted the same chair
@@TrueKivan Oh, ok, good to hear 👍🏼. Do you know why he was having such trouble with it then?
That titan cockpit is good value at that price, unfortunately the Titan is listed at £440!
No it isn't, look again, you've probably added a seat!
@@KarlGosling My apologies Karl, the cockpit is £299.95. However in my defence the first 3 links I got when doing a UK search only showed the combined cockpit and chair suggesting it was a combined unit.
just a honest review as always from Karl! really like it that you dont kiss the compays asses and be totally honst about things that you dont like or like.!
I think it's the best way to be mate, people such as yourself appreciate it and it's also just how I am :)