CGI Tarkin vs Real Tarkin | Comparison
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- Rogue One's Tarkin compared with the original.
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Say what you will about the CGI, but the voicework of the actor that portrayed Tarkin in Rogue One did an absolutely AMAZING job. Kudos.
Meh not really.
Exactly. The CGI is not quite there yet, he comes across a bit uncanny, but voice work was spot on.
In IMAX Tarkin looked fresh af. On the blu-ray not so much
@Life Sucks: You out of your mind?
carrottoponcrak True my jaw dropped seeing it im IMAX. Wasn't as impressed when i rewatched in other formats.
I feel like they overdid the lighting and shininess on his face but it’s not bad
It's on purpose. Lightning is always used to "improve" the look of CGI (by clouding the most complex textures). It's the reason The Hobbit movies look so "shiny" all the time.
I think the lips movement was a bit fake in Rogue One
Nah if was absolutely fantastic CGI work. You arm chair computer tec experts need to stop talking...
@@Maceta444 No, it's not, lighting has been the doom of CGI for practically forever and CG artists know that quite well.
finding the correct roughness levels etc. is what makes making CGI look good so hard
DerJac How obviously it took a lot of effort to pull this off, it’s just easier to nitpick the one thing that looks off instead of the thousands of things that look right, especially compared side by side
CGI Tarkin better be wearing slippers
Of course he is!!! :)
apparently you know about his painful feet.. tarkins boots were too small for him, so whenever the shot didnt require his legs being in it, hed don a pair of slippers instead.
J0ttem They made the CGI Grand Moff Tarkin taller than the real one. The CGI one he looks like he's over 6ft tall. The real one looks like he's about 5 foot 7.
funny to imagine him with those slippers in front of Vader like "Hell yeah I'm talking to you in slippers, fuck the dress code.
Cool didn’t know this
CGI may not be perfect, but damn if this isn't impressive. I remember 20 years ago, when Toy Story was cutting edge. Imagine what another 20 years will yield.
Invert Scrub wow 20 years, seems like yesterday
It was even more. 25 years
It might not necessarily look that much better 20 years from now. A lot of people believe the CGI in movies from the early 90's like Terminator 2 or the first Jurassic Park look more real than what we have now.
Invert Scrub people wont have to show up to act anymore just voice clips
Actors & actresses might be replaced by CGI. But they might get money from licensing their faces & expression though.
The real actor's movements are more decisive and don't wander and sway around like the motion captured & CG'd actor who seems to try a bit too hard to look "animated and alive".
You could say the real Tarkin gives off a more commanding and stern feel.
I had noticed exactly the same thing, it's a pitfall CGI does all the time, humans are just fairly good at not wiggling
You do realize that the face is the only thing CGI
It seems like an excuse not a pay another actor tbh. If they'd tried to CGI a young Alec Guinness into Phantom Menace, we'd never have had Ewan McGregor!
zw0lfb4um An excuse to not pay an actor but instead to waste more money and funds on CGI technology instead AND getting an actual actor to provide the movement for the character AS WELL AS ANOTHER ACTOR for the voice work itself?
Guy Henry provided both movement and voice, I believe. But otherwise correct. It didn't have anything to do with cost. The comparison with Phantom Menace misses the mark as that took place many years earlier, with a young Obi-Wan. Rogue One happens just days before ANH, so they felt Tarkin had to look the same.
Thing with CGi, people or locations or objects, they tend to be shiny, reflect more light than they absorb, looking like plastic, but they are certainly getting there
Gerry Blue Not all CGI. Good CGI with locations and objects is barley noticeable.
Lucas cut so many scenes from New Hope that didn't look convincing. Spielberg cut scenes from Temple of Doom that looked "too" real. Whatever happened to editing?
The thing is they had the real Michael Douglas to work and model off with not as many years between the time Douglas supposeably looked in 1989 to the time Ant Man was shot and little physical change. If the same factors applied to Peter Cushing the results would be the same.
Actually, I heard the opposite. With Starship Troopers, the CGI bugs were rendered with shiny surfaces, which made them look more realistic. Though CGI realism probably depends on the surroundings and context. In this case, a shiny surface for a face would look more unrealistic.
In every movie you see post Titanic most likely has cgi objects and locations that you don't even perceive as cgi. Look up "CGI sucks but it doesn't" I'm sure you'll be quite amazed. You may view when ready.
It's not flawless, but they've managed to cross the uncanny valley. A few more iterations of the tech and it will be virtually indistinguishable.
So very much this.
Maybe in the re-re-re-re-re-release of Rogue One in 2077 they'll get it 100% perfect. I wonder if they'll make Tarkin shoot first....
Yeah. I think the only time its truly noticeable is when he speaks. But even then its hard to pin down exactly what's doing what that is tipping your brain off. (something to do with subtle ways other parts of your face should move when you speak)
"Do not be to proud of this technological terror you've constructed."
The voice is the biggest distraction.
The voice acting was good, but the CGI movements are still a little unnatural compared to the real thing.
I wonder if they could remaster rogue one at some point to make it seem like the real thing.
It's always the mouth. People don't move their upper lips on their own (it's physically impossible to do). The other muscles in your face pull your lip upward, and CGI characters usually have overactive upper lips.
Honestly though, this is the very best GGI character I've seen. I was blown away watching in theaters. They did a really great job.
Well, things were more real in 1977 than they are today.
Tarkin is now not a person but a thing
It's the mouth that really sticks out the most.
I've always liked the fact that Carrie found it difficult to act as if she loathed Tarkin because Peter Cushing was such a lovely bloke!
I am not an actor nor expert, but Peter Cushing can do some serious acting. His facial structure, the subtle body language, the inflection in his voice and the way he draws out certain words.
I wish there were more actors like this.
He just brings that classic movie vibe to everything, you can really tell he's probably the most experienced actor in any shot he's in.
Absolutely lost it and laughed when both Tarkins said "You may fire when ready."
WHAT??
Whhaat?
NANI?
WHA- oh everyone made the joke
It's really good, but the mouth animation is still stuck in the uncanny valley.
Kaleesh Synth I thought the mouth was really good its the eyes that are the issue i believe since we look at them so much in people. Still glad they did it though
mouth and eyes...which is why they should have left those parts alone, and blend with the original actor
Eyes and mouth are the issue, in my opinion. Vader's voice is a bigger problem, in my problem. "Prepare a boarding problem"
That's because they copied his mouth movements accurately. A lot of old people have stiff mouth movements. It looks 'off' because it's so accurate. Sometimes you just have to take artistic licence and move away from making something 100% accurate
It's not issue with animation. It's just the way mocap actor speaks. You can watch "Making of" the effects and see that clearly.
I think people shit on CGI tarkin far too much, it is still an evolving tech so at least they had the balls to test it out.
And find an actor whose voice and cadence is creepily similar to Peter Cushing's
Another thing that bothered me is that they praised Princess Leia quite a bit while bringing down Tarkin's animation. If one considers the amount of screen time Tarkin had in comparison it gives the viewers vastly more things to gripe about.
Still, this should only be used in extreme circumstances. Frankly I'd rather they used it for Leia in IX than Tarkin in Rogue One. Not that anyone could've predicted Carrie's passing.
I think it's fine since Peter Cushing liked Star Wars and his family gave their blessing. Using this for Alec Guiness would be incredibly rude since he very openly disliked the series. My biggest problem is how much Tarkin was in the movie, like Legolas in The Hobbit. He deserved a cameo to mesh with canon, but he almost became a main character and with this new technology, upstaged Krennic whenever they were on screen together.
It was good. My eyes couldn't tell the difference but there is a disconnect there.
I feel like thats pretty fitting for Krennic given his narrative arc. He was upstaged, replaced and forgotten because of his hubris and his incompetence
The fact when I saw Rogue One for the First time I thought they had an actor who looks just liie Tarkin. But now that I’ve seen it thousands and thousands of times the cgi elements really shine through as much as his skin.
It's good enough.
It's good enough to fool you the first time you see it, when you're not ready for it.
Yeah, same here!
cgi Tarkin looked good to me
demonocus drumocus yes he did..people on here acting like he was claymation on Clash of the Titans or something...smh
Good? Yes. Acceptable? Mostly Yes. Perfect? No. They should have spent more time perfecting it. If they couldn't do it, which they didn't, they should have let another visual effects studio perfect it.
Fludge "spent more time perfecting it" explain how then Mr. Special effects...foh
It was a little bit lighting, a little bit expression in movement, and a little bit of texture/color in the face. Trying to make a perfectly realistic likeness of a human face is incredibly difficult for 3d sculptors. They pulled off a 99% realistic face. I was shocked when I saw this.
Perfect it as in a car? A background? A 1990 T-Rex? I'm just curious in regards to human beings which effect holds as much up, disregarding the ones that are in shot for less than a minute.
Guy Henry did a great job with the voice.
lincolnlobster I prefer clone wars and rebels voice
Bradley Keats Stephen Stanton
The voice was absolutely on point. It made any mistakes in the CGI (which were few) completely irrelevant. I heard the voice and I knew it was Tarkin. The voice acting was the thing that mattered the most here. If the voice acting wasn't perfect, no one would care what the CGI looked like. But since the voice acting was perfect and the CGI was fantastic but still KIND OF evident, you didn't care as a viewer. You knew it was Grand Moff Tarkin and it was so convincing that nothing else mattered. This is the best Disney Star Wars movie by far, there's nothing even close.
Not just voice, Henry actually performed the whole act via mo-cap before his face was replaced with Cushing. He even studied Cushing's acting mannerisms to make his whole performance so close as possible.
They should have had Guy Henry as the voice (as they did), but then have Wayne Pygram as the body - the actor who played Tarkin in Revenge of the Sith. Then deepfake Peter Cushing on and you have the perfect mix.
Of course it isn't perfect, tech isn't there yet. But man you have to give props to how well of a job they did, Tarkin is such a key figure during this time in the SW universe. Stop looking at how "bad" it is and appreciate that it's Star Wars! Besides, this franchise is known for pushing/creating new boundaries with special effects
Honestly, it took a lot from my enjoyment of the show everytime he showed up. He just looked so fake........ I'm no even a star wars fan I am not obsessed about Tarkin I just felt like it was weird CG character that looked creepy and fake. Honest to god I didn't even know he was CG
S. I disagree, every time he appeared onscreen I was amazed and so were the people around me. Sure it ain't perfect, but Tarkin played such a big part at this time so he had to appear one way or another :)
This is completely misleading in what you are trying to get across... "Honestly, it took a lot from my enjoyment of the show everytime he showed up. He just looked so fake" then ends with "Honest to god I didn't even know he was CG" So which is it.
Do puppets look real to people, then why does CG piss them off so much? People need to just sit back and enjoy sometimes, rather then tear every "flaw".
Honestly when he appeared my mouth dropped open. He looked so horribly fake that I could hardly believe it wasn't some kind of joke. Really hurts the movie in my opinion. And the sad thing is he wasn't even necessary. They kept cutting back to him as if they didn't realize how bad it looked. Just a hologram and a shot from behind would have sufficed.
The franchise is known for NAILING the effects, not getting it "kinda ok."
Of course it's impressive. Very impressive. One of the top 10 CGI works in movie history. But anyone who says it's flawless or not noticeable should check their glasses - or get some.
on of the Top 10 CGI works in mov... wait wait for real? You people keep saying Rogue one is a good movie when it has no good characters and it is full of cliches from the very beginning, and now you need to defend bad CGI glorifying it ? It looks bad, fake, robotic, like pure animation surrounded by real people. It is creepy, and fells wrong. It is too obvious, especially the mouth, and the director seems so confident and proud that does show it right in our faces, in front of the camera in almost closeups to get more chances of noticing it and distract from the purpose of the scene
Frank - did you really read my comment? I'm not "these people"... and I've said it a Million times in other posts: Tarkins role was too big, they should have not used any close ups, destroyed the illusion etc. AND I NEVER SAID IT'S A GOOD MOVIE! WHY?! BECAUSE IT ISN'T! MEDIOCRE AT BEST! READ MY COMMENT AGAIN AND GET YOUR GLASSES!!!
But bad CGI? Are you insane? If this is bad CGI - what is good CGI? And the robot? What about that one? And Leia? And all the fucking rest... I was talking about the look of it! Nothing more, not the plot, not the characters... just that!
It's like "I think the effects were good!" - and you go: "You people say it's a good movie! But the soundtrack was horrible and the script is a joke!" - You are so smart, man! I like potatoes more than mondays, too!
I notice computer generated images almost anytime! Even bluescreens and the stuff most people believe to be no effects at all! So what is your point? Tell me 10 movies that did a better job in this... Even Lord of the Rings sometimes looks dated today and it's still a masterpiece with stunning visuals. So come on! Gladiator, Mockingjay, The Crow - they all replaced actors digitally that died during filming. But no one ever pulled something off like that. An actor that died decades ago, brought back to the screen in such a way. And like I said - it's not flawless, it's not convincing - but still impressive. And you - whoever you think you are - get your head out of your ass and the shit out of your ears and eyes. And don't twist somebody's words, that's the most bitchy thing to do! God, I hate youtube.
you must be into the emoji movie right?
bew They made the CGI Grand Moff Tarkin taller than the real one. The CGI one he looks like he's over 6ft tall. The real one looks like he's about 5 foot 7.
bew well what is flawless Mr expert?
“Lord Vader can handle the fleet.”
“You may fire when ready.”
Almost sounded like he wanted to blow Vader up.
Arpicembalo i know, but the way the video was edited it makes it seem like Tarkin was wanting to blow Vader’s ass away
I didn’t see the word “up” when I first read this and thought wow that’s kind of a strange way to look at it
Vader doing a flawless Leia impression : “WHAT!?”
@Johann Sebastian why is Bach here
Grand moff tarkin: "you may fire when ready"
Lord vader : " we would be honoured if you could join us"
2 of my fave lines in SW 👌
In Dutch, we called the German Nazis: Moffen.
Maybe thats where grand Moff came from.
Also Dutch: Vader = Father
i find your lack of lines that you like disturbing
"I am the Senate"
Vader's grammar is poor. He actually said "... if you would join us". Should be "... If you joined us".
I think it has something to do with his skin being too reflective and different parts of his face not moving as much
He is *S H I N Y*
Imperial officer: hey Tarkin, somethings different about you. new haircut, new shoes, oh wait! new face, i see it now!
Tarkin: you may admire when ready
if anyone knows where thats from you get one potato point
HISHE.
(::) +1
And his new height. By A New Hope, he was 4 and a half inches shorter. He probably gets shorter each time he says "you may fire when ready".
G-forces from super laser recoil shortened his spine (:P)
LOL
At 0:25 when he sais "so" he simultaneously frowns with his brows, with a slight nod - these kinds of micro expressions don't usually sync up like that with real actors. Unnatural micro expression timings make this CGI Tarkin so weird looking - which adds to the somewhat clicheed impression we unconsciously pick up on...
nougatbitz
Have anything else to cry about?
Yes, it was little moments like that, that threw it off. It's tough because while they needed to be a bit more 'animated' like the real actor and not as constrained, animating it too much and getting too much movement made it more exaggerated like a video game. Too bad... a pretty good job but as others have said, keeping the figure in shadows and less lingering shots would've helped too.
@@kthemaster1999 he's just pointing out the obvious fakeness of the cgi
@@kthemaster1999 Moron.
It may look strange but it’s an incredible feat of modern wizardry to resurrect a long dead actor so convincingly
I was really impressed they managed to capture his likeness so well.
I mean he still does look very robotic but its still really good
I really mean u need glasses. Where u see anything robotic..... lol
that is just a way of saying... It is indeed robotic compared to the sudden moves of IRL tarkin and way of speaking but HOLY SHIT isn`t CGI tarkin so dam good :3
Yeah his movements, and shininess are inhuman.
he's not robotic. I think, he move too much to imitate real human movement, which makes it unrealistic. in comparison, Peter Cushing don't move much, he's steady and bold in his movement, cautious and purposeful.
Jacob Komnath They made the CGI Grand Moff Tarkin taller than the real one. The CGI one he looks like he's over 6ft tall. The real one looks like he's about 5 foot 7.
The only reason this looks 'fake' to me is because I know the man died thirty years ago. The reason this is because I did a test. I had someone who hadn't seen Star Wars before take a look at two, unnamed scenes. This one, and Tarkin's conference scene. I asked him if he noticed any differences.
"Um... the lighting? Why?"
"This one is Peter Cushing in 1977. This one is a CG recreation made now."
"......WHAT!?"
Jacob Sailer did you reply to your friend, "you're far too trusting"? ;)
It's quite obvious that they are different films, regardless of Tarkin. Color grading is colder in Rogue, not to mention Rogue has a much more crisp image, due to modern HD camera tech. Different audio quality too.
Your friend really didn't think they were different movies? Is said friend not very film savvy? Like at all?
For me it is obvious that he's fake, he looks like videogame character
I didn't know he was dead until I saw the movie. "Why did they put a video game character in this film?"
I'm not a star wars fan and never heard of him, when I was watching rouge one in theaters and he was on screen I kept asking myself if he was real or not because he looked off
It’s crazy how CGI can look real but look like a cartoon at the same time
CGI has problems with eyes behavior, I mean there is no eye movement and the character´s forehead is paralized, CGI looks like a Botox overdosed Tarkin with almost no expression, there are some rendering framerate problems as well, in certain movements you can see some lack of fluidity
It makes him more scary i guess
Oh, I love to read the comments of people who are not involved in any way in CGI and think they know how to fix it.
@@Mummy542 yep I can't even model a twig using blender
@RadRich cause I working in CG and it’s obvious to me that his comments are not professional but pretend to be
@@Mummy542 sure you must be an ILM employee or some CGI guru, so share some light of your endless knowledge to the rest of this world please
Why suddenly half of the internet is an expert at CGI, animation and acting?
Because some people find it easier to shit on something than make an effort to prove that they are worth more.
CGI Tarkin moves his head too much. Gives it a weird, kinda floaty appearance.
It was nice to see "Peter Cushing" in a film one more time. It's obvious why they had to do this if they wanted to keep Governor Tarkin in the film, what with Cushing being dead for over two decades. The CGI really is excellent. Sadly it was still noticeable. It was sort of like watching a really good cut scene to a video game. Unfortunately CGI can't depict human expressions quite like an actual human, but they did the best they could and that's admirable. I bet in the future, the technology will be advanced enough to make CGI people look identical to actual people. Either way, I enjoyed the film and thought this was an interesting part of it.
Personally, I think it isn't just the CGI itself, but what they do with him and the scene, etc. The CGI leia for example is much less noticable, for the lighting works with it, the background works wit it, and the motion is kept in a minimal level. I think they could have made Tarkin here less noticeable if they did a did a couple of many possible options:
1) use a body double who looks sort of like Cushing, and then apply CGI liberally to where it needs to be on the face, the body motion is a big problem, and if one can reduce the oversmoothness factor CGI has, the better. This would also help with lighting. Prosthetics may also be used in conjunction with the body-double so as to get as real a thing as possible.
2) Make the scene work with it. Keep in heavier shadows, look to Jurassic park for inspiration, where they used the darkness to full benefit of the CGI. Keep his movement minimal when you can so that people won't notice the CGI glide. Also reducing the shine on his skin would go a long way. The shine works against the CGI in making him pop more noticeably from the scene, one wants the skin to look dry and subdued, like real skin, and only a little sweaty when it works, too sweaty and one will know the illusion.
"1) use a body double who looks sort of like Cushing, and then apply CGI liberally to where it needs to be on the face, the body motion is a big problem, and if one can reduce the oversmoothness factor CGI has, the better. This would also help with lighting. Prosthetics may also be used in conjunction with the body-double so as to get as real a thing as possible."
this is exactly what they did in rogue one. watch behind the scenes videos on cgi tarkin
Peter Cushing's remains would just be a skeleton by now
@@qk1050 I think his remains would just be dust by now 😅
He's the only character besides the emperor who could make Vader say "as you wish"
Yeah because he’s more important to Palpatine than Vader is. Also Vader has some respect for him since they were usually on the same page during the clone wars even when the Jedi disagreed
Rogue One (for me) was the best Disney Star Wars. It fits so perfectly as part of the original trilogy.
Yes knowing how they got the plans was very good and a missing piece in the jigsaw puzzle.
Fuck nah; that broad in the movie ruined it; Kyle Katarn is better
The Baby Yoda Show is the best.
Nick M still better than anything else Disney put out for the movies.
I disagree, I think it’s the worst Disney Star Wars
Original looks like a badass, while CGI has the look of a puppy to me.
It's all in their look, the eyes and brows.
If I hadn't known Peter Cushing was dead, I never would've guessed Tarkin was CGI in this movie. Even then it took me a few minutes to figure out how I could tell he was CGI--the way his lips moved in some scenes and how his neck looked.
Imagine Lucas trying to pull this off during the prequel trilogy. Would not have worked. It is both awesome and terrifying that we can bring long-dead actors back to life now, and it's only going to get better. Great work Rogue One.
You not seen the end scene in Episode III ?
And you thought Peter Cushing hadn't changed a bit in 35 years?
I did not remember the actor as well, but my first impression was basically: "Why the f** are they implementing such an uncanny valley CGI, when everyone else there is an actor"
Ashanark Peter Cushing died back in 1994.😢
cometandcupids So true I love Hammer Horror films, Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee made several films with them!
my only issue is he looks much older in RO than ANH... look at the thumbnail and look at the lines in his face... he looks like a much older man in rogue
FightFan5 Makes sense given that they used a mould of his face from the 80's
Don't worry it's mostly bacause of the light.
What Darth BB-8 said. Also, RO and ANH are lit differently. Lighting makes a huge impact on how you look.
It's NOT that he looks “older" - Cushing was already frail in ANH - you are making excuses. He looks fake, just admit it.
ubertuber66 Oh oh, here we come again with the hate..
CGI tarken look like a game character ..no offence ..I mean it’s obvious that a lot of effort went into creating the character’s look but it’s kinda hard not to sink in without reminding myself that it’s a CGI character..princess leia was very well done I guess and may be that’s because the actor they hired to perform motion capture closely resembled younger Carrie fisher
Leia was even worse
I remember when I saw Rogue One in theaters, my first thoughts when Tarkin showed up was something alongside the lines of "Wait, is Peter Cushing not dead?? I could've genuinely sworn he was dead but, is he not actually?". I then spent the rest of the film:s runtime utterly confused about whether my memory of Peter Cushing being dead was correct or not.
The problem with modern cgi is that if even developers manage to recreate a human face, it will still be suspicious. I don't know why: Rogue One Tarkin was really well made however it feels that something misses or is overdone. I don't know. Maybe the nose should be thiner, maybe lighting is different, maybe the face mimic or eyeballs lack a piece of reality. I don't know. Anyway, great job and props for those guys who pulled off such a time consuming, jewelry work
Half of the time it's the lighting, the first scene looks really weird because we never saw Tarkin in that kind of lighting.
He looks better when he's by the window with the different lighting as he looks closer to what we saw in A New Hope.
Another major part is whether or not you know Peter Cushing is dead because if you do know, you instantly dismiss him being real no matter what. Even if they just reused footage you'd know something is off in a different way.
Instead of not looking real enough, he'd feel like he was added in during post production similar to a green screen effect as well as having limited dialog/bad lip syncing as if he was from some english dubbed anime as lip syncing is only done once for those shows.
It’s pretty close to real tbh
"pretty close". Still very distinguishable at the moment. Would be amazing CGI if the whole movie was CGI.
nisher15 yeah it's way more apparent the more times you watch the movie and his scenes. But when I first saw the movie I was blown away on how good it looked
CinemaRockPizza may be we feel not well because we know he is death and what we saw is cgi. with avatar however no one seem to feel bad about cgi character.
It has moments where I don't think people would notice if they didn't already know. It also has moments where its very noticeable.
It's the motion of the turns. Cushing does sharp and striking motions that emphasises his accents while the new one is always moving like a wave. This is particularly bad because it makes the uncanny of the CG more obvious
Eratic behaviour seriously impacts rendering duration and thus costs.
When you see this kind of comparison, you can see how outstanding a job they did with the CGI recreation. Truly amazing!
CGI Tarkin was over-sharpened, humans arent as sharp looking xD but it was really good
Simon Bauer are you kidding? Peter Cushing is sharper than a pencil when you’ve been at it trying to make it the shortest at school
Me watching CG humans evolve: "Almooost theeerrreee..."
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The cgi looks like a video game character from the ps4 version
"You may compare when ready..."
thought “he” walked a little odd but it was quite a good job, better than Leia at the end though
No, Leia was much better
what?, seems as if one is as clumsy as he is stupid
Both Tarkin and Leia looked creepy and fake in this. It's a toss up which one out-creeped the other.
I believe Guy Henry provided the body live on set with the lines. Peter Cushing's head was just added afterward. So I take that to mean you think Guy Henry walks a little odd! If I'm honest, I thought the weirdest thing was that owing to Henry's body being used, this Tarkin is a full head taller than the New Hope Tarkin. Guy's 6'4" as opposed to Peter's 6' flat.
The real Cushing gives me chills, he's so good at playing evil. It was nice to have a small glimpse at what might have been, though, with the CGI in Rogue One - although they didn't make him pale enough. Rest in peace Mr. Cushing - great actor and a good Christian Englishman. You are truly missed.
He genuinely looks like a video game character
I'm not a Star Wars fan as such, and it's been years since I watched the original movies so I forgot who this guy was. But watching Rogue One I had no idea Tarkin was CGI! It fooled me. I was "shooketh" as they say nowadays, when I found out.
RomeoAlpha exactly I didn’t have a lot of idea of tarkin and when i saw in the theatre I didn’t doubt if it was cgi only would know about it after coming back from theatre and checking for Easter eggs
same, but i did think there was something "odd" about him in RO i just couldnt put my finger on it.
RomeoAlpha Lol seriously? You couldn’t tell?
Watched it with my girlfriend, she had no idea he was CGI either. They did a great job for sure but when u start looking for mistakes/quirks then it kills the effect. Hats of to ILM!
@@RV-go4zi You noticed because you knew it. It is noticable but so are most fings that only stand out as we are told about them.
It's normal for fans of the original trilogy to see the differences between the CGI version and the real Peter Cushing. However, when I went to see it, I was with my father who had seen the "New Hope" only once: in 1977. He remembered pretty well of Princess Leia, Luke, Darth Vader... But had completely forgotten Tarkin. He didn't believe me when at the end of the movie I explained to him about Moff Tarkin being a CGI character. He didn't see the difference between a real actor and the animation. True it's not a perfect copy of Tarkin, the eyes especially. But the technology is still new and it's already impressive that nowadays you can fool a lambda spectator (which was impossible until Rogue One). They open the way for other movies which will achieve a real copy in a few years. Special effects can only improve if you test them at some point, Rogue One did it well.
Boriase Yep Star Wars fanboys are cancerous,sure the tech is not perfect but sometimes Star Wars fanboys demand so much out of every movie.
It was the same with my best friend, he didn't remember Tarkin and didn't notice that he was made with CGI.
Not all of us old fanboys are as anal as some of the turkeys complaining about CGI Tarkin.
I obviously knew this wasn't real but was really impressed by what they had achieved.
Old people also have shit eyes.
I didnt really grow up on Star Wars, but the CGI version sticks out like crazy to me
I did not know, and believe me I saw it the very first time he was on screen.
The should have keep the actor face as static as possible. This would prevent most of the unnatural movement problems from happening. The fact that Peter Cushing was so stoic and had almost no movement as Tarkin, would make their work so much easier, if they would kept that in mind. Instead his face moves like if it was a Pixar animated character.
I miss Peter Cushing, he was such an awesome actor
This is a tragedy! Just look at the side by side and you will see they overdid the ambient light and sub surface scattering. It's like the Tarkin is made of gummy bears!
...and I bet you didn't even notice it was CGI when you first watched the movie lol?
Don’t kid yourself, This is not impressive or the best that cgi has to offer... There is way better Cgi out there, Look at Benjamin button or bladeRunner 2049, those come way closer to life like faces.
I’m not saying they didn’t put effort into this but it still looks immediately fake... at least to me.
I feel the animation lets it down. Perhaps they should've used direct references from Cushing's past non star wars work. His wide body of work would have more than enough content to effectively track his emotions and movement from other scenes to fit the CGI Tarkin performance here.
It isn't really a Cushing performance.
Hammer Dracula films
@@nickm5419 Dr. Helsing is going to destroy your planet.
CGI Tarkin’s facial movement is too fluid and his eyebrows move far too much.
I thought rogue one Tarkin looked near perfect and the actor nailed his voice
Oh for sure. More so when you compare the quality of work that was done with Rouge One Tarkin to Rise Of The Skywarker Leia. Darn near perfect with the job is done for Tarkin, where with Leia is more of, meh.
I’m sure most people I watched the film with didn’t even realize he was CGI
The thing that most stood out as wrong to me was how tall Tarkin ended up given the height of Guy Henry, who provided the body and voice. He's about a head taller than Peter Cushing was, and it looks strange.
What eye disease do you suffer from?
When I first saw this, I thought "Omg they have general Tarkin in this movie!" Then my brother came in and said "Hey I thought that guy was dead!"
HR talking to my boss about me: “You may fire when ready...”
This is what they gon do with Stan Lee cameos in the MCU.
Or, you know... stop doing them altogether?
Or perhaps let him R.I.P.
I don't understand the hate, are people going to just shit on CGI anything until CGI gets to the point where we can't tell? If I didn't know any better about the original actor, I would have totally bought that the CGI was in fact real. But before anyone tells me to get my eyes checked, how about enjoy the movie and the effort put in rather than hate at every opportunity?
AncientDave I hear you man! When I first saw CGI Tarkin I thought he was real. It had me fooled at first! I knew the actor was dead, but the CGI was so well done, it looked indistinguishable from himself. Sure it may have its flaws but it's still evolving. You're absolutely right though. There is just no pleasing anybody anymore. And why do people expect everything to be so perfect? That never made sense to me.
The comparison just made it clear to me how good of a job they did.
Amen
It’s the eyes that give it away but other than that wow cgi has come a long way and will continue to get better
Nope. I can tell he is fake even before he turn around.
My main problem with Tarkin is that Guy Henry is around 4 inches taller than Peter Cushing, making the comparison look a bit off from the shots of when he stands in front of the viewport.
I'm glad someone else other than myself noticed this. I'm surprised nobody on the production staff thought of this. Unless Tarkin loses height every time he says "you may fire when ready".
And so presumably the voice just gets squeakier and squeakier.
LOL
His uniform is more tightly fitted in Rogue One than in A New Hope, which supports my belief that he loses height every time he says his famous line.
It's interesting how they didn't just find another actor like with Mon Mothma. I guess they just wanted to show off the technology
To the regular guy who doesn't know that peter cushing is dead and doesn't know its cgi it looks fine, since we know he's dead and its cgi our brain cant focus on it without thinking of Cgi
His Snake is Solid By the time we watched RO at the cinema, my sister didn't know the actor is dead and this is cgi and I told her neither. but still, she said, something about his face is creepy.
Also seems to depend on the viewer's eyesight, with strong-sighted people having an easier time noticing it's off. For example my eyesight is poor and even though I know it's cgi I really have to be looking for flaws to find any, and even then it's difficult to the point where I'm almost not sure if I'm seeing actual flaws or my brain is forcing itself to spot them because it knows they should be there. On the other hand I found CGI Leia to be far more noticeable than Tarkin, with her face looking too flawless and bright.
From an objective standpoint I'm inclined to think that they might have been pushing their luck a bit showing close-ups of him talking this early into the advancement of the technology used to make it happen.
I see it now its the facial expressions that gave it away. Besides that the cgi looks amazingly real.
The first time I watched Rogue One, I didn’t notice
When you pause the video, the still of CGI Tarkin is brilliant. It's the animation which brings on uncanny valley. VFX companies just haven't perfected mouth and muscle movement yet (in any humanoid or creature CGI). The intricacies in way the body stretches, especially in the mouth area aren't quite right and the human brain knows it.
Animated one looks like shit. The animators smoothed out the motion capture too much, removing any sharp head snaps or eye darts. CGI tarken comes off as floaty, and lifeless.
Even as Peter Cushing _was_ appreciated as his walk with us was ongoing I feel that it wasn't enough.
The Rogue One Tarkin still is in the uncanny valley, but I'd say it's about 50% of it's way up the steep hill
Looks like if Rogue One took inspiration from LA Noire :P
Part of the reason is that they didn't even insert Peter Cushing's face into the movie, they inserted the face of CG Peter Cushing. They should have just used free deepfake software and saved some money. At least it wasn't as far down the uncanny valley, as say; The Polar Express, though.
Who never noticed Tarkin was cgi till after movie
Unfortunately, I knew Peter Cushing was dead, so it was pretty obvious to me...
@@les4767 Oh ok Yea Thought Tarkin was a cool character
The CGI version is so zombie-like. The eye movement is just stiff and unnatural.
John Smitherson the cgi looked good if he wasn’t moving but I got to agree with you when he moves he looks a bit uncanny
it's not about whether it is perfectly made, it's about the fact that tarkin still lives here. and that's absolutely brilliant!
Well in Rogue One he's grown about a foot in height
Rogue One makes Tarkin look like a droid!
I had no idea he was even CGI when I saw Rogue One. I wasn't familiar enough to recognize the actor from the older Star Wars movies, and I was shocked to hear he was done in CGI. Not sure why so many people hated the CGI work in Rogue One, I think it looks incredible. If you're not expecting CGI and looking for flaws, its completely unnoticeable.
CGI Tarkin sways around too much, whereas Peter Cushing moves like a very confident person. He makes decisive and quick movements.
The CGI for Tarkin was damned good. I was surprised that he was in RO, but it makes perfect sense that he would be. The critical comments of the "poor" CGI are ridiculous. If one didn't know that Peter Cushing died many years ago, and they had never seen a SW movie before this one...they would never know the character was fake. On the other hand, the Leia CGI--IMHO, DID look strange.
Some people are just more observant when it comes to CGI. Best CGI ive seen in a movie is the young Tony Stark in Civil War. Id give that one a 50% believable. Tarkin looked 100% great within a game cut scene but 0% believable.
CGI Leia was better but Tarkin wasn't bad
What...? Leia looked like a weird monster to me...
Didn't know he was CGI and he looked real.
Found out he was cgi and it still looked real
Seriously... come on now
Tarkin in Rouge one looks like a video game character
safe to say peter Cushing contributed alot to movies legitimacy, not just a bmovie like crew members thought and even alec guiness. his acting was just that essential. he was that convincing as a villain. rip peter.
That last one where they "you may fire when ready"-ed in unison got me laughing and I'm not sure why
this cgi would have been a lot better imo if they didn't milk his facial expressions and movements during each scene...the way the model moved its body and face was too "animated" if that makes sense
I didn’t actually know he was CGI until my friends told me after the film ended in cinema, it just looked so real to me, they did a great job
Same here, didn’t think much of it at the moment but then I flipped when they explained the scene to me
Good to see a familiar face as tarkin than any other new actor. CGI was better than any other actor n better than the actor who acted as tarkin for CGI. give credit for him to bring the dead actor alive.
i think people look at this and call it unrealistic only because they know its cgi in the first place, like a placebo. just imagine that krennic is the CGI one and tarkin is played by a real actor and you may see the opposite
cg tarkin looks like something out of an E3 trailer but not bad though
I have heard so many people talk about this Tarkin as looking weird and uncanny-valley like, but when watching the movie I completely forgot that the real actor was dead and did not notice a thing, whilst everyone I have heard complain about it knew he was dead when watching. Because of this I feel that they did a great job, but people were just being very critical when they saw the Tarkin they knew was not real and as such found him to look weird. I still thing he looks pretty great with maybe a few very minor flaws in the likeness.
The problem with CGI Tarkin isn't that he the face is off cue or not comparable in the way it acts, it's that he in real life had much more of a red face and hands and his hair was much lighter. While RO takes place a little bit before Ep 4, Tarkin should still definitely have a much redder complexation.
Chris Addy I believe it's the dark style of RO
ApoDavis it maybe the style, but the redness applys to his forehead and cheeks for the CGI, and his eyes and mouth in real life.
Chris Addy Its CGI. It can't always be 1:1
And in Rogue One, Tarkin is 4 and a half inches taller than in A New Hope.
The newer releases of Star Wars have been oversaturated and the faces have become unnaturally redder. Also, older style make-up is more apparent in older movies (you can now tell Kirk and Spock wear lipstick in 1960's Trek on HD screens to the point that you have to assume it is fashion in the 23rd Century even though it was really just the technical aspects of making TV at the time). I also wonder if the CGI took into account the fact that the skin had to have less detail because the original and everyone else has make-up on?
Weve been spoiled with cg in the last decade. We dont realise how gopd of a job theyve done with Tarkin. If anything, its just facial expressions. He's a bit bland, needed the eyebrows to look more mean at points, thats it for me.
The problem with CGI humans is that it has to be perfect. If it's 98 percent, that's good, but it still doesn't work.
Tarkin in Rogue One looks pretty good (especially in stills), and the voice acting is really good, but it still doesn't work.
I went into Rogue one not knowing that there would be any CGI characters , and to be honest I didn't know that Tarkin was one. They did such an amazing job with the storytelling in that movie that I was so focused on everything else that the actors being dead for a very long time never even came into my head. This is the way the CGI should be used in my opinion. The rest of the story and the acting is so solid that you don't even really stopped to think about CGI. But now that someone has brought to my attention I really think that it's very well done. Of course that opinion is totally biased by my original experience, but it was a sincere experience created by the artistic efforts of the film so I stand by its validity.
In any event Tarkin in Rogue one totally blows away the Princess Leia CGI hands down
The problem with Guy Henry is that he was too tall to play Tarkin. Peter Cushing was 5'11 while Guy Henry is 6 ft. 3.
Vader must be 7 feet tall in this then, cuz he's significantly shorter than Vader (who is supposedly around 6'2)
Timothy L Not exactly. Peter Cushing was 5’ 11” and David Prowse ( the man who played Vader) was 6’ 6.” A 7” height difference can definitely look like a lot.
I'm a perfectionist and It's pretty goddam close to me
I guess you're not really a perfectionist then. =D
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Motion.
It's all about the motion.
For some reason the cgi version. Just looks very mechanical, like a highly advanced animatronic sometimes his actions are too smooth sometimes too jerky and all at the wrong time and place.
The model is phenomenal, it's how it moves that that gives it away.
In the scene with Tarkin & Krenic you can notice that they make Krenic a tad shiny as well to try and take eyes off of the obvious shine from the CGI. Everyone knows its noticeable, but that is a cool trick to try and minimize some of the more obvious signs. Its pretty amazing that they can bring great characters and actors back from the dead. I wish they would take the Tarkin Novel and make a mini series off of that. By far one of the more interesting and loyal characters in Star Wars Lore.