As a law student with a background in history, I continue to be awed by how recent the ideal of being innocent until proven guilty truely is and the incredibly uneven playing field traditionally faced by the defense.
And in the countryside non existent anymore, I live in a small village in the Netherlands and no train or even a bus. In the 1920’s thee was a steam train, now you can’t go anywhere without a bike or a car.
I visited a Canadian 1800s train couple years ago at the Pier in Halifax. There were warnings to single women and tips for traveling alone safely in every car.
I always naively thought traveling by train in the Victorian age was much safer than nowadays, because people were more decent and polite. I didn’t think about the criminals and villains who existed in every era.
@@redwithmayonnaise2496 it only seems more because it's easier to report and document crimes. Simultaneously technology has made it far easier to solve and detect crimes
It depends on the city I think. A Victorian train was probably safer than the New York City subway. A person with a dangerous mental illness can hop turnstiles and ride the subway for free all day. Victorians had to buy a ticket.
corporate greed in the end destroyed the lives of so many families, even going as far as the detective's family, who wouldn't have had to bury him if the miners weren't pushed to the brink of theft in the first place
@@prevost8686 it wouldn't be a trend if it wasn't actually real. Oh how greedy of miners for not having liveable wages to feed their families, thanks to corporations. Is that "wholesome" enough for you? 🙄
@ Greed infects all of humanity from the poor man living day by day to the corporate elites who run companies. One is no worse than the other. It’s just so fashionable to rail against corporate greed these days. Easy soft targets I suppose.
@firecracker187 They literally had no tools whatsoever.... It's like a twenty first century surgeon criticizing a surgeons process/operation in 1895 with zero recognition of context... the lack of self awareness with comments that 100 yrs ago police are incompetent. Is a sign of low IQ cognitive fuction/reasoning
I would love to see more of these type of videos! They are amazing to hear about especially when comparing the way such cases were handled compared today.
Poor desperate miners, having to resort to stealing( We today can barely imagine the sheer hardship of living such a life. That doesn't condone murder, still, but, on the whole, the Empire rose on the backs of such people, crushing them in the process.
It’s appalling how much abject, grinding poverty existed in England while vasts amounts of wealth was flowing in from their empire. While the coal miners were getting wage cuts, I wonder how much wealth the coal mine owners had. What a messed up society all around. Too bad there are similarities to today’s society. At least we have social programs that aren’t work houses. I don’t understand why the guy or guys killed the cop, though. Seems like they could have run away.
Am I the only one think it's weird we've had multiple people shot to get a young starlet attention. Even Reagan was shot to get Jodi Foster attention. And this second case covered here. Obviously not blaming these young women I just think it's weird.
But wasn't Thomas Brigg's watch exchanged at a pawnshop? How was it later found in Franz Muller's luggage, allegedly identifying him as the murderer? That should have acquitted Franz.
I love love the Victorian age, as an English literature graduate 🧑🎓. Ive studied it extensively, read The Forsyth Saga..( highly recommend) I think i would have loved to live then As of course a Bankers daughter as I was in the 1960s! Lol But the clothing, the natural world, the ways Id love to see Charles Dickens perform on stage his stories Visit the pharmacy ;)
It looks as though having those individual compartments on railway cars at the time would make it much easier to commit crimes in as opposed to an open seating arrangement where there are apt to be many more witnesses. Unless of course the compartment doors could be securely locked from the inside.
The first one was a railway assault and he died of his injuries at home so it wasn’t a railway murder at all. I am fascinated for that time period the police did such excellent work though.
Well, it was the telegraph that notified police that Crippen was on board a ship bound for Canada. allowing detectives to reach Canada first. Crippen and his mistress, Ethel LeNeve(accomplice?) Were arrested on board and went straight back to England.
I read once that when Queen Victoria rode a special exhibition train for herself and retinue, she became faint and overwrought at speeding along at the unheard of speed of 20 mph, not a success. Of course, she eventually acclimated, since a train to Balmoral with private sitting, sleeping, and dining cars were available to her, as well as cars for staff and servants. Much quicker and more comfortable for the frequent trips to Scotland for her and Albert.
No, no. He just said he (Osborne) tried to help Kidd, but Kidd was so badly injured he could barely walk. Osborne collapsed, he didn't die, due to his own injuries.
If you want to spot BS just ask yourself how could they possibly know this? Also why would he worry about paying off debts to strangers on a transatlantic voyage? How would they have found out that he paid off debts. For we know gambling was illegal so people don’t go telling the police and why were the police even be talking to these people? These people are not witnesses to anything and would not have been interviewed by the police
Bad men always have and always will carry weapons whether they are allowed to or not. Legal restrictions have only ever affected the everyday law abiding citizen in preventing them from being able to defend themselves. I don’t agree with having to carry a weapon but the truth is women have always had to carry something whether legal or not as the police are inadequate in order to protect them. What’s worse do you think. A jail sentence if caught carrying or being raped, assaulted and murdered if not? Or at the very least damaging your assailant when being attacked. All Predators don’t like prey that fights back with equal vigour especially if they’re at risk of the damage they want to inflict upon others happening to them.
Thomas Briggs is my ancestor by marriage. His son Thomas James Briggs marriage his second wife Isabella Lewis which is my direct line through her brother, my gg grandfather, Edward Lewis. My ancestry page is Lewis Family Ancestors. You'll see all the Briggs family details I have found so far.
I will say. The Train in the thumbnail isn't even english. Probably cus it's AI. there are plenty of photos of victorian english steam engines on Google and yall use AI?
Some men dont need a new form of transportation to assault or murder women. Sad fact. But it does take compassion, empathy and brains for cops to solve
As a law student with a background in history, I continue to be awed by how recent the ideal of being innocent until proven guilty truely is and the incredibly uneven playing field traditionally faced by the defense.
They want to get PAID for the privilege of working in a coal mine? How DARE they!?
The irony is, then it was the cheapest and fastest, and now it’s the most expensive and slowest. :(
😂😂
That’s not ironic. That’s generally how technological advancements work.
And in the countryside non existent anymore, I live in a small village in the Netherlands and no train or even a bus. In the 1920’s thee was a steam train, now you can’t go anywhere without a bike or a car.
only in europe !! in Asia , it is still the cheapest and fastest !!! ur continent just stopped investing in trains
True @@navaneelghosh1559
Like watching Murder Maps again - wonderful upload!
+1 🙌🏻
I visited a Canadian 1800s train couple years ago at the Pier in Halifax. There were warnings to single women and tips for traveling alone safely in every car.
I always naively thought traveling by train in the Victorian age was much safer than nowadays, because people were more decent and polite. I didn’t think about the criminals and villains who existed in every era.
People are and have always been people. Only technology is different.
Even if it doesn't seem like it, today is safer than it was centuries, or even decades ago
@@redwithmayonnaise2496 it only seems more because it's easier to report and document crimes. Simultaneously technology has made it far easier to solve and detect crimes
It depends on the city I think. A Victorian train was probably safer than the New York City subway. A person with a dangerous mental illness can hop turnstiles and ride the subway for free all day. Victorians had to buy a ticket.
I think you may have some rose glasses about the Victorian age. Those “decent and polite” people were the ones enforcing child labor.
corporate greed in the end destroyed the lives of so many families, even going as far as the detective's family, who wouldn't have had to bury him if the miners weren't pushed to the brink of theft in the first place
I suppose “corporate greed” is the latest trendy thing to rail against. I guess it makes individual greed seem somewhat more wholesome.😂
@@prevost8686 it wouldn't be a trend if it wasn't actually real. Oh how greedy of miners for not having liveable wages to feed their families, thanks to corporations. Is that "wholesome" enough for you? 🙄
@ Greed infects all of humanity from the poor man living day by day to the corporate elites who run companies. One is no worse than the other. It’s just so fashionable to rail against corporate greed these days. Easy soft targets I suppose.
@@prevost8686man thinks he actually made a point😂
@@Zeldafan1ify isn't it getting interstesting how these antagonists have begun interjecting crappy statements?
Thank you . Excellent . Nickolas Day and Prof. Judith Rowbotham are wonderful to listen to. ❤
Hes a top notch narrator and story teller :D
You like fluff history?
Honestly the fact that cops incompetence may be the main reasons why so many murders went unsolved.
Still is
Could you do any better?
This was the beginning of what now is called law enforcement.
Not incompetent.
@firecracker187 They literally had no tools whatsoever.... It's like a twenty first century surgeon criticizing a surgeons process/operation in 1895 with zero recognition of context... the lack of self awareness with comments that 100 yrs ago police are incompetent. Is a sign of low IQ cognitive fuction/reasoning
Solving crimes is really difficult.
I would love to see more of these type of videos! They are amazing to hear about especially when comparing the way such cases were handled compared today.
This is very murder on the orient express esque
Poor desperate miners, having to resort to stealing( We today can barely imagine the sheer hardship of living such a life. That doesn't condone murder, still, but, on the whole, the Empire rose on the backs of such people, crushing them in the process.
It’s appalling how much abject, grinding poverty existed in England while vasts amounts of wealth was flowing in from their empire. While the coal miners were getting wage cuts, I wonder how much wealth the coal mine owners had. What a messed up society all around. Too bad there are similarities to today’s society. At least we have social programs that aren’t work houses.
I don’t understand why the guy or guys killed the cop, though. Seems like they could have run away.
loved listening to this fascinating compilation at work. thank you!!!
Always Wonder who does all the Great Drawings.
Awesome video!
What a great show!❤❤❤
Excellent Upload ❤
Am I the only one think it's weird we've had multiple people shot to get a young starlet attention. Even Reagan was shot to get Jodi Foster attention. And this second case covered here. Obviously not blaming these young women I just think it's weird.
Men are weird
Besides Myths and Monsters, are there any other shows narrated by Nicholas Day?
Murder Maps. Very similar to this format. I highly recommend them and you can find most of them on UA-cam.
@@Bitsy2019it's a fantastic show!!! Excellent recommendation!!!
@@Bitsy2019 Loved murder maps!
Great video. Very intriguing.
Love this!
But wasn't Thomas Brigg's watch exchanged at a pawnshop? How was it later found in Franz Muller's luggage, allegedly identifying him as the murderer? That should have acquitted Franz.
Franz pawned the watch chain, he kept the watch.
Christ, the past was the worst.
I really enjoyed this 👍🏻
Love the history in these stories
He wasn’t wearing a hat, and that’s sus. Oh and he’s covered in blood, but the lack of a hat is really what gave it away.
1:07:53 a long and successful career as a WHAT
😂
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
These were I think originally done on Murder Maps.
Amazing video
Never confuse speculation with history
I love love the Victorian age, as an English literature graduate 🧑🎓. Ive studied it extensively, read The Forsyth Saga..( highly recommend)
I think i would have loved to live then
As of course a Bankers daughter as I was in the 1960s!
Lol
But the clothing, the natural world, the ways
Id love to see Charles Dickens perform on stage his stories
Visit the pharmacy ;)
Thanks.
In the opening sequence, when the narrator talks about the oldest of crimes, murder was not my first thought, lol.
As a Texan, Britain seems so tiny that it is hard to imagine why any of them wanted loud and polluting trains all over the place.
I love British history, of all kinds. I want to visit England one day. Your our parents. Wish you well Brits. Kyle from America
I’m so happy. We’re back, baby!!! #NicholasDay
Second murder. Violet was a star who could not be eclipsed - extinguished-but not eclipsed.
Thanks ✍️
The classicism and proud view of imperialist history from some of these British historians is wild.
It looks as though having those individual compartments on railway cars at the time would make it much easier to commit crimes in as opposed to an open seating arrangement where there are apt to be many more witnesses. Unless of course the compartment doors could be securely locked from the inside.
The first one was a railway assault and he died of his injuries at home so it wasn’t a railway murder at all.
I am fascinated for that time period the police did such excellent work though.
thanks
Rich people have always feared the poor
With the Briggs murder, why is a foreign train shown as it certainly does not appear to be British,
I find this very interesting
That second story!
That man always got by because oellle thought he was sick in some way.
Well, it was the telegraph that notified police that Crippen was on board a ship bound for Canada. allowing detectives to reach Canada first. Crippen and his mistress, Ethel LeNeve(accomplice?)
Were arrested on board and went straight back to England.
I read once that when Queen Victoria rode a special exhibition train for herself and retinue, she became faint and overwrought at speeding along at the unheard of speed of 20 mph, not a success. Of course, she eventually acclimated, since a train to Balmoral with private sitting, sleeping, and dining cars were available to her, as well as cars for staff and servants. Much quicker and more comfortable for the frequent trips to Scotland for her and Albert.
Who died, Kid or Osbourne? The narrator describes Kid as being on hands and knees, bleeding, but then says Osbourne collapsed and died.
No, no. He just said he (Osborne) tried to help Kidd, but Kidd was so badly injured he could barely walk. Osborne collapsed, he didn't die, due to his own injuries.
Grinell & Company Shipping Line... Early version of RyanAir
If you want to spot BS just ask yourself how could they possibly know this? Also why would he worry about paying off debts to strangers on a transatlantic voyage? How would they have found out that he paid off debts. For we know gambling was illegal so people don’t go telling the police and why were the police even be talking to these people? These people are not witnesses to anything and would not have been interviewed by the police
Whoa!!! That professor Rowbotham sure is a specimen. I was half expecting to see Leia chained to her chair.
her second outfit was so mutch beter :D
What image is the thumbnail from?
It's the fact that bad men are allowed to carry weapons that cause incidents like this.
Bad men always have and always will carry weapons whether they are allowed to or not. Legal restrictions have only ever affected the everyday law abiding citizen in preventing them from being able to defend themselves. I don’t agree with having to carry a weapon but the truth is women have always had to carry something whether legal or not as the police are inadequate in order to protect them. What’s worse do you think. A jail sentence if caught carrying or being raped, assaulted and murdered if not? Or at the very least damaging your assailant when being attacked. All Predators don’t like prey that fights back with equal vigour especially if they’re at risk of the damage they want to inflict upon others happening to them.
It’s the police officer’s job to protect citizens of which women are a part.
His gallow’s confession sounds like BS to me. who witnessed it? the cops
I pay premium prices f9r no commercials . This is not right
So called history experts calling a ship boat! LOL
1:07:57
I love steam locomotives. They are so cool.
❤❤
Almost unwatchable for the amount of ads.
Filthy rich people
I was sure that this was Stephen Fry's voice...but, oh my God, who is that Indian-looking man with the hairy face?! 😄
Cataracts at an early age are not a good thing Nigel
Thomas Briggs is my ancestor by marriage. His son Thomas James Briggs marriage his second wife Isabella Lewis which is my direct line through her brother, my gg grandfather, Edward Lewis. My ancestry page is Lewis Family Ancestors. You'll see all the Briggs family details I have found so far.
AD WARNINGS: DON’T WATCH, IT IS INFESTED WITH ADS EVERY COUPLE OF MINUTES. UNWATCHABLE.
Nope. I was able to watch it just fine.
Absolutely not history, BS fluff
I will say. The Train in the thumbnail isn't even english. Probably cus it's AI. there are plenty of photos of victorian english steam engines on Google and yall use AI?
Boring
Second
Some men dont need a new form of transportation to assault or murder women. Sad fact. But it does take compassion, empathy and brains for cops to solve
Who kiled them? Jock da riper
fisttt
Here's your cookie.🍪🙄