Compare & Review || Harvey G700 vs Oneida Mini Gorilla Dust Collection Systems
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- In this video I compare and review the Harvey Industrial G700 and Oneida Mini Gorilla dust collection systems based on my experience using both independently in my woodshop. I am not sponsored by either company and all views are my own. I purchased both of these machines with my own money and have zero incentives from either company. Price points vary due to sales and price increases, however the Harvey is usually around $1K more than Oneida. If your trying to decided between either one, I hope this video helps you out.
I always appreciate a comparison video that tries to be fair to the products being compared. This one hits it out of the park!
Great tips definitely a help been looking at the mini gorilla as a dust system. Thanks for sharing
@jimrosson6702 I’m glad I could help give some insight from my own experience!
I've had my G700 for 2+ years. Overall, it was the best DC for my shop for noise reduction and head space. I built my shop from the ground up, so I put the DC ducting (6" PVC S&D) under my slab, which accomplishes four things: Noise reduction, elimination of static electricity buildup, reduced vertical vacuum lift to maximize air flow and not needing to have overhead ducting were huge benefits.
You should add a couple of 4" elbows to the cleanout ports and into a wye and then add a removable rubber cap as your suction port for cleaning . Much easier to clean out than crawling around on the floor for each port. I did this to my G700. I also use my cordless drill on the turn knob stems to turn the paddles, using a very low speed. I clean the filters every time I dump the bins.
If you clog the filters where the paddles won't spin, set aside about 2 hours to remove the filters for manually cleaning them. Harvey needs to design a hinged door on the filter vent panel to make this easier. If you crank too hard on the paddle knobs, if they won't spin, you'll break them.
Don't run the G700 with a short direct connection to a planer at full speed. You'll bypass the collection bins and pack the filters. Also refrain from adding a floor vacuum attachment for sucking up piles of saw dust for same reason. That's the one downside of a horizontal vortex.
Overall, I really like my G700!
@bobbray9666 I love the idea of a hinged door for the filters! That would be a huge upgrade.
Thank you for making this video. This was an interesting comparison between two good dust collection systems. What I would have liked was more information on how effective these two machines were in collecting and/or reducing the amount of dust in your shop. Like you, I operate in a garage and I am interested in whether these expensive machines really reduce the dust in your work space.
@Mark-bn7lk Im glad you enjoyed it! The short answer is that the Oneida worked great at dust collection while it was hooked up to a single machine using the 10’ hose that comes with it. Trying to pipe it in, even on a short run, reduced its ability to collect dust. The G700 on the other hand does very well both individually connect to a machine or run through a short pipe run. I’m currently using it piped in ( about 24 feet of total pipe) and it collects extremely well. That being said, I would add this caveat, that the way a machines dust collection is designed does play a role in how well either dust collector can work. For example, my 6” Powermatic jointer had less overall suction than my 16” Hammer jointer. The dust collection box on the Powermatic allowed for more suction loss than the design of the Hammer. So that does need to be take in consideration.
Glad you're getting good result with the new DC.
The harvey fit seems weird, with the hose coming out from the front. This makes the fit really awkward for the places I'd think to put it.
@biedawo I ran into the same issue. It does pose a bit of a problem if your unable to place it in a left hand corner and your using the included y-split. I got around it by using a flex hose instead which reduced the footprint. But if I am ever able to upgrade my shop to a bigger one, I will definitely plan on place it in a left hand corner and running the piping out that way.
I have a Mini Dust Gorilla and have been considering the Harvey. Your video is one of the few reviews that doesn’t seem to be the result of some sort of arrangement with Harvey (i.e., a free machine). Even though the reviewers promise to be unbiased, I’m skeptical. Thanks for your review.
My experience with the Mini Dust Gorilla has been mixed enough that I want to replace it. It’s mobile, but I don’t roll it around. It’s easier to just drag the hose from machine to machine. My biggest complaints are the noise, the small bin size, and the difficulty in getting the bin properly sealed. As you said, it uses 3 clamps. Invariably, using two clamps (solo woodworker & only two hands) pushes the bin out of alignment. It’s a tedious and annoying process to get it right. Also, I’ve had a couple of times where the bag got sucked into the bin and I didn’t notice. This results in the filter filling with sawdust, which means around an hour shot cleaning the filter out. My next machine will be one that is quieter, has a bin alarm, and has a bin that’s super easy to empty.
@user-jx1ny2lu1f Im glad my review was able to give you a good idea of what the Harvey offers. I’m not sponsored by anyone, so I paid for both machines and used them both. Ive experienced every issue you went through, so I can sympathize with you. The Harvey has yet to give me any problems. My opinion is that the Mini G works best as a stand alone DC dedicated to a single machine. But that’s an expensive way to operate. For a small shop, Harvey gets you more bang for the buck. Imo it’s absolutely worth the price tag.
Is the G700 quieter enough such that it would be possible to work along side feet away? In the same regard, is the mini gorilla loud enough that it becomes abrasive in close quarters or would they both be acceptable? Lastly, the g700 has double the posted static pressure. Is it sufficient for hand sanders and the like?
@evantest2163 Great questions! So I would recommend always wearing hearing protection, especially because if your running the dust collector, your also running a tool and together they can get loud. The G700 isn’t whisper quiet, I don’t really know if such a dust collection system exists. But it is noticeably quieter than the Mini G. In close quarters, I believe that the Mini G would cause a greater annoyance than the G700 as far as noise goes. Both dust collection systems work well with any tool that has a 4” port (I would argue that the G700 has the greater suction and overall collection). Reducing to a 2” or smaller for hand sanders and the like is doable, and you certainly will get suction although the quality of that suction will vary from tool to tool based on its design.
I really want to see a review of the Oneida supper cell compared to the Harvey. Lets be honest the Mini Gorilla is 1k less expensive that difference in cost makes a big difference in what the machines can do. The Oneida SuperCell would be a better comparison.
@rdjack21 Respectfully I have to disagree. The Oneida Supercell is a high pressure system at 97.8 WC. The Mini G and G700 are both low pressure systems, the MG at 9 WC and the Harvey at 18.5 WC. The G700 is much closer to the Mini G in terms of WC than it is to the Supercell, so if for nothing else but that alone, don’t believe the comparison would be balanced.
Experience with both and really there is no comparison. The supercell is much more powerful, smaller footprint (takes more height) and is outstanding cleaning the shop or using 2.5” hoses. It is more expensive by a few hundred though. A bonus is it’s made in the US. Harvey is great, but Oneida Supercell gets my vote.
That Harvey is my dream collector. I have a Record Power Camvac 90L. It’s a high pressure system. It works great with large and small hoses and machines depending on how many motors you turn on. I really don’t think I’ll ever go with a low pressure system again
@user-nx3zk5qi8t It’s a dream machine!
@@woodforge is it considered a high pressure system. I don’t know why I don’t know this but I’ve heard the static pressure is higher on it than in most
@@user-nx3zk5qi8tIt’s not considered a high pressure system by Harvey, although it does have double the static pressure of the Mini Gorilla at 18-1/2 WC vs. 9 WC. However that 18-1/2 WC is a far cry from the 97.8 WC the high pressure Oneida Supercell has.
Since you are keeping the Harvey, I'd suggest changing the 1st T connector to a Y connector.
@Fusion_Woodworking Definitely intend to make a few different changes to the way connections and piping is run…but not in this shop. Big things coming up this year…
@@woodforge NICE!
hi there, the manual says you need 18 inches of space behind the harvey to allow the motor to stay cool, did you find it getting too hot in your smaller space?, thanks.
@kevinwillis6707 Great question! I keep a space of about 8-10” between the back of the Harvey and the wall. Thus far I have not had any issues with over heating. In fact, even after a prolonged run, it is only warm to the touch. That said, I don’t think I’ve ever run for more than 30-45 min non stop, so it’s possible that after several hours the heat might become an issue.
@@woodforge good to know, its pricey but i like the fact it fits under a counter and is quiet. cheers
I’m trying to figure out if this is a fair comparison. The machine costs are $2,650 vs $1,800. The Oneida V-3000 costs $3,400 and is much stronger than the mini-gorilla.
@mark2talk2u Price-wise, there’s definitely a difference. But in terms of performance and specs, I’d say they’re much more similar to one another than the V-3000.
I just started this great review. I would like to suggest that the music track be edited out. The comparison is the main draw, "Keep The Main Thing, The Main Thing."
@jamesklug3672 I appreciate the feedback! I’m still figuring this whole video editing thing out, but I’ll certainly make sure to adjust or eliminate background music on future comparisons videos.
It seems that the first question would be the price to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. Did you skip that or did I just miss it?
@jwaggoner2010 Great question! There is definitely a price difference with the Mini Gorilla coming in at $1800 while the Harvey comes in at $3600 (although Harvey does run regular discounts of several hundred dollars). As far as my personal opinion goes, the Harvey is worth the extra money if you can swing it, but the Mini G is a good budget option.
I appreciate the time and effort you took to make this video, but I find it difficult to hear your voice over the music. Thanks again.
@haniel9079 Thank you for the feedback, I’ll make sure to work on improving the balance between volumes during editing in future videos.
@@woodforgeI had the same issue as the other commenter here. I'm glad you're working on it!
You should’ve mentioned the cost of both machines.
@jakerivera4913 The price on these systems changes, Harvey especially because they are often doing sales and promos. As of today, 11/29/23 the price for the G700 is $2500 and the Mini Gorilla is $1800.
I don't have a dog in this fight, although the GYRO appeals to me on a gearhead level. I just ran across a YT video where this guy is replacing the filters on the GYRO. Yikes.
@michaelogden5958 I think I know the video your talking about. Honestly, I didn’t have nearly the same struggle as he did, so my experience was one of regular maintenance without issue. That’s not to say that some people won’t run into difficulty tho. Ultimately, the purpose of dust collection is to have a system that is as effective at collection of large and micronic particles as possible. Everything else, including ease of maintenance, should come second to that.
Apples and oranges! Do a comparison on a hand drill and a drill press or better yet, a 12" lunch box planer with straight knives and a 20" with helical cutter. You get what you pay for.
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