that was hard to listen to. she sounds like a teenager who took a online course and pretends to be a doula. jesus that had me aggravated. shame that took away from the excitement and joy of a new life coming soon.
That doula is out of line giving you medical advice. A: Castor oil is super dangerous to you and baby. It can make the baby poop in the sac before it’s born which is dangerous, and it can make you dehydrated. B: Doulas are not there to give medical advice and go against what doctor says. I’m a doula and it surprises me some of the things she was saying. 😳
I had midwife assisted natural childbirth 4 times. I go overdue. I took castor oil with 3 of them and none of them pooped in the sack before they were born due to castor oil. It starts labor.
@@Jennawxyz221 yes, I agree. They should have allowed her more time to start labor on her own. Current research suggests that risk of infection doesn’t set in until 24 hours after water breaks, and some experts and research say that it can even be safe for up to 48 hours after water has broken.
@@cindland it *may* help start labor, though it is not guaranteed. And even though none of your babies pooped in the sac, it is a very common issue cause by castor oil, and it very well could happen to someone else’s baby. Still though, doula was overstepping boundaries.
That doula will eventually do harm to a mother or baby if she keeps giving medical advice. Someone needs to give her a reality check and inform her she is not a doctor.
Absolutely not. Risk of infection is very minimal even up to 24-48 hours after the water is broken. Drugs and doctor intervention is way more risky then taking her time and helping her body start contracting naturally. Doctors are taught to help get more money. But you wouldn’t know that unless you have studied both sides of the argument and have had children in hospital and at home and seen the major difference. Her doctor freaked her out using the tones she did.
Oh Laura....I’m sorry but that doula was WAY out of line giving medical advice alone, but especially against what your doctor said. Giving medical advice is so far out of her scope of practice she could actually have been in a major amount of trouble had you followed her advice and you or your baby had died. I am SO glad you and your daughter are ok! I know deviating from your plan was painful for you and I wish you’d had everything exactly your way. ❤️❤️❤️
There's a difference between saying 'you can do xyz things' and 'You should do this and I'm advising it'. Granted, the doula said some things that sounded like advice, but telling her 'you could do this, you could do that' isn't giving medical advice. :)
@@aliciabee4721 when Laura said “if I don’t deliver the baby could be at risk for infection” the doula said “no she won’t” and then continued to try and persuade Laura to go against her doctors advice. that is dangerous to say to a pregnant woman who is tired, stressed and anxious. A doula has no medical qualifications. They are a support person. As a nurse I’m horrified and glad Laura and Posy are safe.
I went on a rant on the Facebook video about her doula being completely out of line and having little to no medical knowledge. It seems to me both hospital and doula are both wanting to be paid for the birth and doula is mad she has to go to hospital
This doula needs to be re-educated! That advice was complete bs regardless her role is to provide emotional support for the mother not give medical advice and against what the doctor suggested no less!
Gosh I know what's with all the hesitancy about induction and a safe hospital delivery. Before advising things like that you should definitely know about protracted labour Or delayed labour and the things where you neeeeed assistance it's not upto our choice! There are things why medical advises are given and guidelines are made! This is outrageous it's like going back in time just downright ignoring all the medical advances! Expected much better
I really respected what the doctor said. She was going into serious mode. She wasn't being rude. She was being to the point and giving you her honest opinion. She had Stephen look, because she wanted him to know what she was talking about and so you would know. Especially since when the water broke was an estimate. I really respect how Stephen recognized it was your choice. I am so so happy you and baby are healthy and doing well! Sending all my love and warm wishes.
If you have a baby #3 please please please, consider a new doula. Her advice to you about going against the ob/gyn was terrible and could've put Penelope in terrible danger.
And to tell her to eat! Maybe a popsicle, juice, or apple sauce, oh my god. "No she's not at risk for infection." WHAT! This girl needs to not be a doula. Your birth and health care team such as GP, OBGYN, and Doula shave to work together and everyone needs to listen to the people with medical degrees.
@@mia.doxsee8455 a doula is supposed to help the family during labor and be an advocate. They are not medical professionals and an infection in your uterus is absolutely dangerous and something to avoid at all costs.
@@mia.doxsee8455 "A doula (/ˈduːlə/) is a trained companion who is not a healthcare professional and who supports another individual (the doula's client) through a significant health-related experience, such as childbirth, miscarriage, induced abortion or stillbirth, or non-reproductive experiences such as dying."
@@laurendenson5904 so long as it’s made correctly. It’s still very bad for both mom and baby. Your body has extreme diarrhea in an effort to expel the oil from the body.
@@cogneurolove not always. I know A ton of mamas who never had any diarrhea when taking it. A major issue with pregnancy do’s and don’t’s is treating every pregnancy/woman as if it’s the same.
@@laurendenson5904 if they didn’t have any issues and neither did their babies, they are lucky. Overwhelmingly, the medical community advises against castor oil specifically because it’s not safe. Not everyone will have an issue with it, but MANY people do, and babies wind up in the NICU from swallowing meconium after their moms took castor oil on a regular basis. I also know of a mom who accidentally took too much, and her baby almost died. It’s not worth the risk.
Please always listen to the advice of a doctor over a doula. The difference in training and knowledge is immense. Additionally, even if the chance was 10% of infection, that means the doctor is not willing to get to even 10% because she wants her patients to have the best chance of a healthy delivery. And she has seen how bad it can be when it goes south.
Exactly!!! I can’t believe the doula made her hesitate on her doctors medical opinion and advice (which I also think should’ve been said in better words/tone), this is so crazy to me
@@rafa7141 exactly ... the doctor seemed kinda rude and haughty, but at least with her, the baby and mom are safe... but that doula was a total IDIOT and she needs to stop her "medical practice" right now and go work to some office ...
A good midwife will advise to listen to a dr themselves, a dr could care less how you deliver your baby.. their only end goal is YOUR healthy baby!!! Also childish to be complaining about them not allowing you to eat ect once there.. I am sure they have reasons for all their suggestions! Againt heir goal is to give you a healthy baby why do people not get this?? Also I find alot of this video annoying the complaining about the dr trying to ensure a healthy mom and baby is the end result and here the parents and doula both never once really stated ok whats the best way to ensure a healthy mom and baby...???? Or the doula never once even said if the dr is concerned about the infection and having water broke that long then yes its best to induce the labor. Instead she says no that's a lie, haha why would the dr, lie? What the hell do they get out of it ffs, they are paid to be there and treat patients all day even if no baby is born..
First find a doctor that is up to speed with the latest recommendations and evidence based practices. This doctor was not updated. You can get with up to 72 hrs after water breaks to give birth. Doctors are great but I have learned the hard way that many of them just go by the book from 10-20 years ago. Clearly she wanted to do things unmedicated and she might have been able to if her doc was educated in newer evidence based practices
I have RN obstetric family members who have doulas in their patient care teams. Much respect for their efforts. I prefer a whole picture and care team for myself. And the massage and the peacefulness with a doulas hands does not sound bad. The casualness of that woman on the phone when Laura was so far along. She was making life or death decisions, not food options. Freaked me out, Im glad baby girl is here, cause this could have been played in a court room or something. I was working and stopped because Im actually freaked out.
@@JNMKlover midwife here, yeah I was completely SHOCKED.. first when I heard her say “WHAT.. WHY?!” I’m like.. why?! Because her membranes ruptured! And because she’s the doctor! And then when she went on to basically tell Laura to more or less completely disregard her OB and gave actual medical advice, which she’s not even allowed to do! I was floored! Just completely insane how she thought that was okay.. ever!! Completely shocked by this!
I'm confused tho as my friend recently gave birth and her water broke 2 days early and her doc didn't say this at all. When I read about it online it says you can wait for up to 72 hrs after your water breaks. Also the risk is less than 1% and not necessarily decreased by inducing?
I didn't like this doula either but my problem is one doctor will scare the crap out of you about something when another doc will say it's completely fine. There seems to be no consistency and a lot of fear mongering.
Who is that doula so NO ONE EVER GOES TO HER?! She gave horrible, dangerous advise and caused doubt between Laura and her doctor 🙅🏼♀️ Yeah her doctor could have had a better tone, but she was right about the risk of infection.
Yes, and the swearing... It wouldn't give me much confidence when the person who is there to support me says "fuck" in panic every other minute. Not to mention the suggestions of "shitting yourself" as part of a medical advice.
in The Netherlands they have a 48/72 hour timeline when your waters break..... not 18... if you keep to a few rules, the risk of infection is verry small.... you would be allowed to go home, wait it out one night (most contractions will start) or after that time, go to the hospital, (for monitoring) if all else fails: pitocin.
I'm a certified doula and yeah, I 100% agree. In the beginning of the conversation she was way out of line and seemingly increasing Laura's fear. The end of the conversation was better. Our job is to inform and support, and try to keep our emotions out of it (and also to NOT give medical advice!)
Wow just wow. Your doctor may seemed ruff but I completely understand that she was trying to get the point across about the severity of things. The doula just holy crap. Laura, I know that you probably really love your doula but suggesting you go against doctors orders is just mind blowing. I am so glad you and Poppy are both safe!!!!
I am shocked that the doula thought she was more knowledgeable than the actual medical doctor. That’s actually kind of concerning. She could have single handily harmed not only the baby but Laura as well. Thank God all went well. I prayed for all of you.
That “Doula” was in no place to be giving that much medical advice. She’s not a doctor. I love you Laura but please get someone new. She put you and Penelope at risk.
Echinacea probiotic? For possible infection? And castor oil? Are you f kidding me who is this woman? Does she even have a degree in medicine, pharmacy or something like that?
Her doula was trying everything to not get her to go to the hospital.. she had no concern for Laura or Poppy.. she just wanted to be around to help deliver "The Laura Clery's" baby.. and she was still at the hospital so Idk why she was so against Laura going when the Dr. told her to.
@@Crystal-vp7wr but if they were planning a natural home birth and most likely don't have a midwife (because why would you call the doula over the medically trained midwife?) then the doula would be there and assisting with the birth. She did give dangerous advice, regardless.
Informed consent doesn't mean don't listen to medical advice it means medical professionals owe you a full, clear explanation of your options so that you can make the best choice for your health
@@veronikanavratilova1930 the doctor was wide and clear about everything, the fact that your water broke more than 18 hours ago is at high risk of foetal infections that could possibly lead to its death. From my perspective, the doctor made the right call to induce her so she doesn't risk the life of the baby. Sometimes it doesn't all go according to the plan, but we have to play it safe
Which is what the doctor did. She was super clear and direct. Sometimes, in emergencies, you can't coddle a patient. You need to be frank, direct and emphatic on the real potential dangers to the woman and the child.
Informed consent means you don't have consent either. Also she was not given informed consent. There are steps you can take before pictocin such as monitoring for a few more hours, prophylactic anti-biotics etc. The obgyn did not explain the risks of pictocin either
I wouldn't have waited. A friend of my daughter, her waters broke and the hospital sent her home. The baby got an infection and was stillborn. Don't wait. Your baby is more important than a birth plan.
@@Jennawxyz221 so you're saying that as long as she has a choice in what to do ,it's okay if the baby gets an affection and dies? You do realize that most mothers don't want their babies to die and she doesn't have control over when her body decides to expel the baby right? Or are you just stupid
@@Jennawxyz221 um so your saying as long as shes comfortable, the baby doesn't matter. Wow, just wow. If someone is in labor, things dont go as planned. Now the choice between doing it as natural as possible so shes comfortable and the baby ends up sick, or doing it in a hospital not as natural where the baby will be safe and well. Theres really no choice between your comfort and your childs life. I hope you never have kids if you think that you being comfortable is more important than your kids life
@@Jennawxyz221 The safety of the baby and the mother is more important than anything. Had Laura waited she would have been putting herself and Poppy at risk. Having a birth plan is nice but at the end of the day, it's getting the baby born healthy is the most important thing.
That's exactly what I said too!! Like WTAF!!! Until I had my first kid in 2013 I was planning on using it. Told my OB and he told me exactly why that is a bad idea!!!
This is the reason doulas get a bad rap. A doulas job is to give informational, emotional and physical support where it's needed. It is never the doulas job to try to persuade someone not to follow their doctors instructions. If the mom wants other options she can ask.
Your tears at the end almost brought me to tears. It’s so hard when there’s no right answers and you have to make a decision that can be so serious. It sucks and I felt for you.
I’m all for a home labor and delivery, but sometimes that’s just not possible. I feel Laura’s pain. I’m so glad baby and mommy are doing well. I take comfort in the fact that we as moms and dads make so many sacrifices for our children, some they’ll never know, but we always have their welfare at heart. ❤️
I had 7 children, 5 at home with no medical intervention, but as soon as the Midwives said I needed the hospital for 2 of the births, I was in the car..that Doula is Frankenstein!
The attitude of the doctor and the doula... 😱 I cannot. Especially the doctor’s tone. I’m so sorry you dealt with that high stress and intensity being thrust on you! My anxiety is so high just watching this. I’m so worried about part two.
I feel like the doctor was trying to get across the urgency of her needing to go to the hospital because it can be serious but completely agree about the doula she was totally unprofessional and she could of put her and the baby in so much danger.
The doctor was great. She didn’t sugar coat the situation because she’s seen some bad shit and wanted to make Laura very aware of the real risks she and baby were facing. Laura was cussing, so it’s pretty obvious they have a relationship already. The doula is the scary one.
Her information were biased and wrong. According to EBM you Can wait up to 48hours after water break. The signs of possible infection must be monitored closely but there is no reason for routine induction.
@@Jess-sb2nj Evidence based medicine. It means your procedure is verified by scientific data. The opposite is eminence-based medicine Which means your decisions are made based on your opinion and previous experience and not on medical science data.
The doctor was abusive. She did not give informed consent nor the steps to take before pictocin nor tell her the risks of pictocin vs the risks of infection.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 that's why I asked, wasn't sure you weren't looking at a webMD equivalent, apologies for the slight and thanks for the informative reply!
When i was born my mom had to get petocin due to high blood pressure. It was genuinely upsetting to hear the doula go against the doctor. If a doctor says theres a risk for infection probiotics are not gonna help. Im so glad penelope was born safely 💗
First of all I'm so happy that she came out healthy. Why was there so much debate about what to do?! The ob said to go to the hospital immediately, my ass would've been like alright I'm going 😂. I appreciate doulas but when it comes down to it I wouldn't hesitate to take my doctors advice
Birth doesn't follow a plan. The only birthplan you should have is to have a safe baby. Whether that is medicated, natural, induced, c section, whatever. My daughter had her umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. The doctors could see her heart rate going down with every contraction and had to do a c section to save her life. If I was laboring at home i could have lost her.
Amen. Doula was being ignorant and didn’t know what she was saying. Yes mom has the right to do what she wanted, but the doctor knows more than anyone there and she knew if they didn’t get a hospital, baby was going to get an infection. The doula saying that she shouldn’t go to the hospital is completely ignorant and idiotic. She could’ve put her baby in danger. So I completely agree with you. It’s not about what you want at that point. It’s about the safety of the baby
My baby was born at 32 weeks. She weighed 1kgs. I suffered a very rare event called CAPS. Most women don’t survive it. I spent almost a year in hospital. The baby went home before me. My birth plan didn’t even come into fruition. I nearly died. As did my child. You just gotta go with the flow The end of the day. They want an alive child AND mother. Because what child wants to grow up without A mother. The drs know what they are doing. That doula gave such bad medical advice. Castor oil should NEVER be used.
This is why I tell women to have a birth preference, not a birth plan. Things can go sideways fast. I wanted to go all natural for my first and ended up having severe preeclampsia and a placental abruption. Life gets in the way of plans!
@@kyurin4u480 everything turned out ok. The doctors made a quick decision and were able to get her out. She was perfectly fine. But if i was at home by the time it would have been noticed and by the time i got to the hospital it could have ended badly.
Steven if they didn’t induce, the baby might not have been fine. That doula made me so mad, I had pitocin and I didn’t feel anything. Getting induced is not as scary as a dead baby.
Definitely not. It also wasn't an induction. Her water was broken and she was in active labor. She was just progressing slow so a little pitocin would do help things along. I know that it is a strong medication and that can be scary but man, Laura and the doula (Steven seemed to have his head on straight), kept acting like the effects of the pitocin wouldn't be worth the benefits, is a healthy baby.
Yes! This! Back in the day they would give a massive shot of pitocin and it did make it WAY more painful but I delivered in 2018 and there are TEN levels of pitocin starting at the minimum and working up until you are laboring regularly and then they turned it off - I made it to 7 cm without an epidural with pitocin and it wasn’t bad at all
You can tell the doula was second guessing her self on everything she was saying. Like she regretted giving medical advice and was like go to the hospital. Wow options but she first said you don’t have to go to the hospital . Crazy doula she got
I am like that with my 4th baby! My youngest...my water broke but i feel no pain....i was not given anything but i have her in a normal labor...everything's well....and now she is already 13yrs old! I really praise and thanks God for being with me,always....❤❤❤
No matter how anyone chooses to bring a baby into this world. The fact that you carried life, and delivered makes any mom amazing. I will say this, I had to have potosin to get my contraction started, and was still able to go without an epidural. It's not impossible, and I can't believe some of the things the midwife was suggesting she'd try.(scary) Don't know the outcome of your delivery yet Laura, but whether you went natural, or not you're still an amazing mom.
Who wants to have raging diarrhea as she may be pushing? I have IBS and can tell u that it takes alot out of me to have diarrhea. In fact, I feel faint and weak immediately. If Laura had done that, she would have that mess and a new baby to deal with. Castor oil? This is 2021!!!!
I currently work as a student midwife in the UK, I know it’s different in every country ( and don’t need a train of people jumping on me!) we never advise castor oil and we give women up to 36hrs after SROMing before we intervene (induction) as intervention leads to instrumental deliveries
This!! Im in the UK and had PPROM at 31 wks, was given steroids, antibs and weekly monitoring and delivered at 38 wks. I think the OB here put the scare tactics on and the doula gave some mixed advice.. No to castor oil but definitely good suggestions to try to encourage labour at home. Poor Laura was made to feel petrified and split in her feelings by the two people she was counting on to help her.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 it’s because here in America we pay for what they prescribe medical induced labor means more money plus it often helps add in the need of a c-section which here is 10k or more depending of the hospital prices. America also has very bad numbers to successful births and has very high death rates.
Here in the US I don’t *THINK* it’s advised, but I could be wrong. My obgyn at least is highly against it. I’m not sure on the other, just because I haven’t had that happen. My first came on his own and my second I went to be induced to find out I was already in labor, but still got a dose and ended up not needing it upped due to having him shortly after. It’s so crazy how it varies everywhere. I wish they all agreed and didn’t use such unnecessary and dangerous advice/options unless it was absolutely needed. I know my obgyn will induce anytime after 39 weeks, just because. Unless he knows the baby isn’t where they need to be or mommy isn’t dilated any. I’ve always been lucky and started going into labor and dilated, so I never had to worry about it. But I know others that have and I wish they would have just waited, instead of pushing for induction. 🥺
The woman gives herself 36 hours or more. You do not decide anything. The birthing woman decides based on risks and benefits to herself whether she wants intervention after 36 hours. If you give intervention without consent that is obstetric violence.
Your doula was so spiteful... your ob was worried for you as she’s probably seen this sort of thing go south very quick many times hence why she was being straight up and brutally honest with you both. X
How can that Doula be sooo confident to go against the Drs advice. I’m just glad Laura knew to listen to the Dr. That Doula was scary!!! Wow just Wow!!!
Aww, Laura! I remember this struggle as well. I planned on having a natural birth, but developed preeclampsia and needed to be induced pretty quickly. Even ended up with an epidural bc being induced kicked my butt. In the end, it literally didn't matter. Once that baby is in your arms it won't matter how you got her there. Best of luck! 💙
Gotta love & appreciate how casual/chill you look while sitting on the OBGYN table as you find out you need to head to the hospital to deliver a baby immediately. 🪨⭐️
I love how she told you to eat before going to the hospital...there is a reason they don’t let you eat. The reason is in case you end up having an emergency C section you can aspirate because of the food you ate. Aspiration > respiratory complications like pneumonia.
They are not in position to “let woman” to do anything. They should explain risks But let woman in labor starve for hours Just because there is an option It could end with ceasarean is not only stupid but also very outdated.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 in my case they said it was up to me but strongly advised against eating. You're hooked up to an IV so you're not actually starving. I ate a little bit and regretted it tremendously
I’m sorry but that doula was wrong. I was in your situation Laura. Water broke. 2 cms dilated, 100% effaced. Was having mild and inconsistent contractions. Tried a few hours of walking without anything however because of the risk of infection I was given pitocin. Is it intense? Hell ya. Guess what though? After the dosage I was able to walk around. Go in a jacuzzi tub. I gave birth without an epidural. (To be fair I was asking for it at the end but things happened so fast I was already at 10 cms 😂 ). Fastest, easiest and most wild birth ever. Women are amazing!
Sending love and appreciation to you for being brave enough to shate your story with us. Especially when women can be so critical of each other. Sending love, appreciation, & positive vibes
Holy shit Laura! That was all so crazy! I know you already have had your beautiful healthy girl Penelope, but this still feels like the biggest cliffhanger ever! Please post part 2 ASAP! ❤️
Gotta love when a doula thinks they are more educated/knowledgeable than a damn medical doctor that not only went through medical school, but SPECIALIZED in obstetrics. This doula is lucky she’s never been sued. 😑🙄
Thank you I’m like wtf.. castor oil..NOOOO not only it can make u sick it can put the baby in distress and cause their heart rate to drop. I’m sorry she couldn’t do a natural labor breed bacteria within hours. That an emergency to get this baby out. This doula is supposed to be support not an health specialist. Their are midwife doula at least they are medical professionals also the support a mother need they can also explain the medical language and fill out paper work so your partner can just focus on you n the baby
The same knowledgeable educated doctors will kill you fallowing what they were taught and almost killed me twice before I woke up to who really writes their textbooks
@@Crystal-vp7wr and a ignorant doula wouldn’t? A medical doctor-years of medical training, including specialized training in obstetrics, or a doula whose training/certification can vary state to state? One can be as granola and “I do everything ‘natural’ “ as you wish, but this was a glaring representation of just how inept a doula (and even some midwives) can be. Let me make it clear that yes, even highly skilled medical doctors are human and therefore prone to error. Obstetrics is one practice where the cost of liability insurance just to practice in their field is astronomical. Let’s not sit here and pretend a doula and a MD are even in the same league as far as experience and education.
I’d also like to state that some doctors continue to stay current in their field and do not rely on what was taught way back in med school. Science, and therefore medicine, is a ever-changing field. The best practitioners stay current on advancements.
I find these videos so comforting. I'm having my first baby this Friday. He's breech so I'm having a scheduled c section. I'm super nervous but for some reason watching birth videos have been so comforting. I've watched these videos multiple times but they never get old! ❤️
Your doctor was rude but spoke truth, maybe because your doula told you otherwise you didn’t want to believe her. But at the end of the day your doctor is a doctor who went to school for a very long time. Your doula did not. She is there to make money on making you happy. She wasn’t very nice either though. Your decision should have been so easy to just take care of you and the baby. The doula did not need to make things worse the way she did.
Please tell me you didn't listen to her and take caster oil! Not only does it make you poop but it makes the baby poop too which is extremely toxic if she were to inhale that in the womb! Ahh so excited to see the rest ❤ shes so beautiful
When I heard her mention caster oil my jaw hit the floor 😬😬 how dangerous ! Think she needs to re-educate herself before working with any other mothers.
I really don’t like the exchange with the doula... she was not reassuring or calming at all. I understand she is there to keep you both healthy but she is also there for emotional support when needed.
You guys are freaking amazeballs! Here in New Zealand she was born on the 31st which was my 4yrs clean and sober bday!! And I was totally buzzing that you chose Poppy as her nickname as it was my suggestion. I cannot wait to see Pt 2!! I just have so much love for you guys and beautiful wee family xxx
You know what is the amazing thing. Watching your videos. Cause I'm pregnant with my first child. And I just literally learn something new about when it's time to give birth. I have to keep what I learn in your vid today. For a just in case. It great that you did this vid cause it will teach expecting mothers a lot.
I am also a L&D nurse and while I love a doula, I have absolutely 🚫 respect for a doula that thinks she’s a midwife or OBGYN. I felt extremely sorry for Laura while she was taking to that doula on the phone .. it made her confused and even more frantic than she already was. Not to mention, the advice that the doula is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of a “safe” delivery. Anyone with an ounce of labor and delivery knowledge knows the extreme danger of a mother’s womb being exposed without her membranes intact. Advising her to walk around with her water broken is dangerous enough in itself... LET ALONE trying to induce diarrhea or as the doula said “basically you’ll just shit your baby out” (ummmmm HUH? That’s so NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE TRUTH.. and castor oil can be WAYYYYY worse than low doses of pitocin). Talk about bringing on painful labor. Sure lady... let’s introduce gut wrenching intestinal cramps and water diarrhea for the next 24 hours IN ADDITION to God awful uterine contractions... not to mention almost 100% likelihood your baby will get a “shitty” trip outta the vag canal. Let’s just talk about how that little “sitch” could introduce an ENTIRE different realm of bacteria to the uterus and to Penelope. I’m really at a loss for words here. The actual birth remains to be seen but I’m sure Laura made the right decision to follow the directions of her physician. To anyone reading this.... please always follow the direction of a physician when having a baby. Yes, plenty of women have given birth without medical intervention but plenty of mamas and babies have had a host of issues because of that decision (if they even had a decision). My point is that if you’re going to follow the advice of a doula in place of a midwife or physician, why even seek medical care to begin with, right? If you’re that sure of a doula’s experience to direct your labor, just trust her completely and you might get lucky and have the labor or your dreams but you also may not. Be smart. Think of that baby!!! God bless. 💗💗
I started crying 😢 when you cried at the end Laura, gosh you were getting from everyone you poor thing!! Love ❤️ how open and honest you and Steven are - love you guys xxx
I'm sorry but this Doula is dangerous. There is a reason that doctors go to school for so many years before they are even aloud to touch a patient. On a lighter note I love you Laura you are an amazingly strong woman and inspire me all the time.
I just felt a huge wave of emotions watching this. I dont think ive ever balled so much in my life. 2 put of my 3 were all natural and I was no where close to anything like that. Huge props Laura!!! Shes so beautiful.
First time momma here and I’m so grateful for all the info you share Laura! I’m learning so much from you and important things to discuss with my OB. ❤️
Can only imagine how hard this moment was for you, having been through your first birth and having your hopes for the second, I hope things went well in the end and you and your beautiful family are happy and healthy
Y’all the fact that she her makeup on beautifully...is crazy!! Like she is so pretty and I love her so much! Laura you are amazing and I wish I was yo best Fran!! Haha This couple is hilarious! 🤣😂😂
You deserve better healthcare providers! They both spoke inappropriately and rather than validate your feelings, that shot you down and were on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of your care. I’m so glad everything went well for you!
OMGoodness!!!! I’m so excited and happy for you two!! Sending out loving prayers for your smooth, safe delivery and for your beautiful, healthy baby girl 💝🙏🏻💝🤗
Induction isn’t fun, but necessary sometimes. I get your disappointment, I felt that way with both of mine bc I wanted to naturally labor at home if possible and it just didn’t work out. I’ve got 2 healthy girls now and they’re thriving. Can I just say I love Laura and Stephen’s relationship, they’re so supportive of each other and I just love them both! I’m so glad Penelope has arrived and mom and baby are happy and healthy! ❤️❤️
Only at 6.05 in video. I have to tell you, I labored with my first for 16 hours before epidural. Painful, but it was okay. I was so tired and that's why i finally got epi. I had to be induced w my son and it was one of the most traumatic experiences I've ever had! Those contractions were 1000000x worse than natural labor. I thought i was dying. My son became distressed i was blacking out my room was chaotic w nurses my midwife and then dr. Turned into emergency c section. Im all for natural but I'm so concerned doula said castor oil when water was broke because one of the big known issues w that is baby ingesting the meconium and becoming very sick. Thank goodness you and that beautiful baby are fine. Thanks for sharing your exp. Cant wait for pt 2!
I’m pretty sure the reason you can’t eat when you get to the hospital is just in case you end up in surgery and then there’s a risk of asphyxiation if you were to throw up while under anesthesia. That knowledge shouldn’t have been used as something negative to give another reason to be against going to the hospital
I love how no matter how serious her situation is that "I'm gonna make you piss your pants" is there 24/7... If I'm feeling depressed she is the only one that is able to make my day 😆😊
I was in prodromal labor for a week 😩 My heart goes out to you at the end of this video. I tried for a vbac a few weeks ago and after four hours pushing and baby and I had fever, they advised a repeat c-section since her heart rate wasn't looking well. I'm trying not to be upset about it, but my heart goes out to you when it doesn't go like you hoped...
Man, that lady who did the intial check was awful! I'd have felt like I was in trouble with the principal - she has horrific bedside manner. Good on you Laura for being a trooper and staying positive during that visit. 💕
It's exactly what happened on my 3rd baby, but I had been leaking waters for 3 days without me realizing before i went to a sheduled growth check scan. I was rushed straight in and induced because of the risk of infection. My daughter was born that night, and we had to stay in for 2 days as it had been so long she had been without her full waters. Births go there own way, it was not what I wanted but she is safe and well. Congratulations on the birth of poppy, she is beautiful.
You can see in Laura’s eyes that she is so torn and looks almost done with the conversation about if the baby will get infected or not if she goes to the hospital. She just wants a clear answer on what to do.
When will you post part 2? Im soooo excited to see! 😍 ive been watching since the beginning, since before you guys had Alfie, since Day 1!! Love you guys!!
I've worked in the Labor and Delivery Unit for a decade. Your obstetrician was absolutely right. Too many uneducated people googling over the internet, then in the end the baby suffers for it. Too many unnecessary admissions to the Nicu, the baby getting pricked and given antibiotics over something that could have been avoided. It is good to be informed nowadays, but having a real and good doctor is always better than unproven things you read online. On a minor note, having broken your water for more than 18 hrs can be managed by IV antibiotics to protect the baby and mother. But you do have to hasten then birth though, otherwise the risk for infection is high. But in then end you got a healthy baby, which is the most important thing Laura. Congratulations!
Congratulations Mama ❤️ like everybody else in the comment section I can't believe the doula said that and thought she was more educated than the doctor and if somebody told me that about my baby I would be freaking out.
As someone who's water broke and didn't know and their child was in the ICU, that doula needs to be fired and everyone should avoid her at all cost!
Terrifying!
that was hard to listen to. she sounds like a teenager who took a online course and pretends to be a doula. jesus that had me aggravated. shame that took away from the excitement and joy of a new life coming soon.
Same baby and I had antibiotics bc they didn’t know my water broke. A week without my boy while he was in NICU.
Yeah my baby also got an infection and was in the icu for 2 weeks
Oh that’s scary!!
That doula is out of line giving you medical advice. A: Castor oil is super dangerous to you and baby. It can make the baby poop in the sac before it’s born which is dangerous, and it can make you dehydrated. B: Doulas are not there to give medical advice and go against what doctor says. I’m a doula and it surprises me some of the things she was saying. 😳
so is pictocin which is also dangerous and can cause the same thing
I had midwife assisted natural childbirth 4 times. I go overdue. I took castor oil with 3 of them and none of them pooped in the sack before they were born due to castor oil. It starts labor.
@@Jennawxyz221 yes, I agree. They should have allowed her more time to start labor on her own. Current research suggests that risk of infection doesn’t set in until 24 hours after water breaks, and some experts and research say that it can even be safe for up to 48 hours after water has broken.
@@cindland it *may* help start labor, though it is not guaranteed. And even though none of your babies pooped in the sac, it is a very common issue cause by castor oil, and it very well could happen to someone else’s baby.
Still though, doula was overstepping boundaries.
@@cindland and my friends baby died bc of castor oil..its a risk and terrible to do things like that
That doula will eventually do harm to a mother or baby if she keeps giving medical advice. Someone needs to give her a reality check and inform her she is not a doctor.
This!!
This is how I feel too. Doesn’t seem like a good idea. I do agree with the eating thing.
Yup!
Absolutely not. Risk of infection is very minimal even up to 24-48 hours after the water is broken. Drugs and doctor intervention is way more risky then taking her time and helping her body start contracting naturally. Doctors are taught to help get more money. But you wouldn’t know that unless you have studied both sides of the argument and have had children in hospital and at home and seen the major difference. Her doctor freaked her out using the tones she did.
@@Crystal-vp7wr what a dangerous statement, good God...
Oh Laura....I’m sorry but that doula was WAY out of line giving medical advice alone, but especially against what your doctor said. Giving medical advice is so far out of her scope of practice she could actually have been in a major amount of trouble had you followed her advice and you or your baby had died. I am SO glad you and your daughter are ok! I know deviating from your plan was painful for you and I wish you’d had everything exactly your way. ❤️❤️❤️
There's a difference between saying 'you can do xyz things' and 'You should do this and I'm advising it'. Granted, the doula said some things that sounded like advice, but telling her 'you could do this, you could do that' isn't giving medical advice. :)
@@aliciabee4721 when Laura said “if I don’t deliver the baby could be at risk for infection” the doula said “no she won’t” and then continued to try and persuade Laura to go against her doctors advice. that is dangerous to say to a pregnant woman who is tired, stressed and anxious. A doula has no medical qualifications. They are a support person. As a nurse I’m horrified and glad Laura and Posy are safe.
I agree thats super dangerous what she said. Number one priority should be safety of baby & mama
I went on a rant on the Facebook video about her doula being completely out of line and having little to no medical knowledge. It seems to me both hospital and doula are both wanting to be paid for the birth and doula is mad she has to go to hospital
Yeah
This doula needs to be re-educated! That advice was complete bs regardless her role is to provide emotional support for the mother not give medical advice and against what the doctor suggested no less!
I agree!! She definitely overstepped.
I agree. I am listening and my jaw dropped. She cannot give medical advice.
Gosh I know what's with all the hesitancy about induction and a safe hospital delivery. Before advising things like that you should definitely know about protracted labour Or delayed labour and the things where you neeeeed assistance it's not upto our choice! There are things why medical advises are given and guidelines are made! This is outrageous it's like going back in time just downright ignoring all the medical advances! Expected much better
100%! She was giving dangerous advice. I love doulas, but this was not okay.
That’s what I was saying. And for her to even recommend castor oil, it sounds like she’s very uneducated. Crazy!
I really respected what the doctor said. She was going into serious mode. She wasn't being rude. She was being to the point and giving you her honest opinion. She had Stephen look, because she wanted him to know what she was talking about and so you would know. Especially since when the water broke was an estimate. I really respect how Stephen recognized it was your choice. I am so so happy you and baby are healthy and doing well! Sending all my love and warm wishes.
If you have a baby #3 please please please, consider a new doula. Her advice to you about going against the ob/gyn was terrible and could've put Penelope in terrible danger.
And to tell her to eat! Maybe a popsicle, juice, or apple sauce, oh my god. "No she's not at risk for infection." WHAT! This girl needs to not be a doula. Your birth and health care team such as GP, OBGYN, and Doula shave to work together and everyone needs to listen to the people with medical degrees.
What is a doula?
@@mia.doxsee8455 a doula is supposed to help the family during labor and be an advocate. They are not medical professionals and an infection in your uterus is absolutely dangerous and something to avoid at all costs.
@@mia.doxsee8455 "A doula (/ˈduːlə/) is a trained companion who is not a healthcare professional and who supports another individual (the doula's client) through a significant health-related experience, such as childbirth, miscarriage, induced abortion or stillbirth, or non-reproductive experiences such as dying."
Her and the baby not just the baby
"Dont listen to the doctor.... drink castor oil....You'll just diarrhea your brains out" said the worst doula ever.....
No joke!! You “diarrhea your brains out” because castor oil is VERY bad for your body! It’s derived from ricin!! (Ricin is a deadly toxin)
@@cogneurolove castor oil doesn’t contain ricin because it doesn’t partition into the oil.
@@laurendenson5904 so long as it’s made correctly. It’s still very bad for both mom and baby. Your body has extreme diarrhea in an effort to expel the oil from the body.
@@cogneurolove not always. I know
A ton of mamas who never had any diarrhea when taking it. A major issue with pregnancy do’s and don’t’s is treating every pregnancy/woman as if it’s the same.
@@laurendenson5904 if they didn’t have any issues and neither did their babies, they are lucky. Overwhelmingly, the medical community advises against castor oil specifically because it’s not safe. Not everyone will have an issue with it, but MANY people do, and babies wind up in the NICU from swallowing meconium after their moms took castor oil on a regular basis. I also know of a mom who accidentally took too much, and her baby almost died. It’s not worth the risk.
Please always listen to the advice of a doctor over a doula. The difference in training and knowledge is immense. Additionally, even if the chance was 10% of infection, that means the doctor is not willing to get to even 10% because she wants her patients to have the best chance of a healthy delivery. And she has seen how bad it can be when it goes south.
Exactly!!! I can’t believe the doula made her hesitate on her doctors medical opinion and advice (which I also think should’ve been said in better words/tone), this is so crazy to me
@@rafa7141 exactly ... the doctor seemed kinda rude and haughty, but at least with her, the baby and mom are safe... but that doula was a total IDIOT and she needs to stop her "medical practice" right now and go work to some office ...
A good midwife will advise to listen to a dr themselves, a dr could care less how you deliver your baby.. their only end goal is YOUR healthy baby!!!
Also childish to be complaining about them not allowing you to eat ect once there.. I am sure they have reasons for all their suggestions! Againt heir goal is to give you a healthy baby why do people not get this??
Also I find alot of this video annoying the complaining about the dr trying to ensure a healthy mom and baby is the end result and here the parents and doula both never once really stated ok whats the best way to ensure a healthy mom and baby...????
Or the doula never once even said if the dr is concerned about the infection and having water broke that long then yes its best to induce the labor.
Instead she says no that's a lie, haha why would the dr, lie? What the hell do they get out of it ffs, they are paid to be there and treat patients all day even if no baby is born..
First find a doctor that is up to speed with the latest recommendations and evidence based practices. This doctor was not updated. You can get with up to 72 hrs after water breaks to give birth. Doctors are great but I have learned the hard way that many of them just go by the book from 10-20 years ago. Clearly she wanted to do things unmedicated and she might have been able to if her doc was educated in newer evidence based practices
Oh btw the risk of infection is 1% not even close to 10 and it's based off older studies
As a RN this I’m all for doula...but this one is very dangerous....I’m so glad Laura and the baby are okay.
I have RN obstetric family members who have doulas in their patient care teams. Much respect for their efforts. I prefer a whole picture and care team for myself. And the massage and the peacefulness with a doulas hands does not sound bad. The casualness of that woman on the phone when Laura was so far along. She was making life or death decisions, not food options. Freaked me out, Im glad baby girl is here, cause this could have been played in a court room or something. I was working and stopped because Im actually freaked out.
@@JNMKlover midwife here, yeah I was completely SHOCKED.. first when I heard her say “WHAT.. WHY?!” I’m like.. why?! Because her membranes ruptured! And because she’s the doctor! And then when she went on to basically tell Laura to more or less completely disregard her OB and gave actual medical advice, which she’s not even allowed to do! I was floored! Just completely insane how she thought that was okay.. ever!! Completely shocked by this!
I'm confused tho as my friend recently gave birth and her water broke 2 days early and her doc didn't say this at all. When I read about it online it says you can wait for up to 72 hrs after your water breaks. Also the risk is less than 1% and not necessarily decreased by inducing?
I didn't like this doula either but my problem is one doctor will scare the crap out of you about something when another doc will say it's completely fine. There seems to be no consistency and a lot of fear mongering.
Who is that doula so NO ONE EVER GOES TO HER?! She gave horrible, dangerous advise and caused doubt between Laura and her doctor 🙅🏼♀️ Yeah her doctor could have had a better tone, but she was right about the risk of infection.
Seriously, she gave her such horrible, dangerous advice. The castor oil too.
Yes, and the swearing... It wouldn't give me much confidence when the person who is there to support me says "fuck" in panic every other minute. Not to mention the suggestions of "shitting yourself" as part of a medical advice.
in The Netherlands they have a 48/72 hour timeline when your waters break..... not 18... if you keep to a few rules, the risk of infection is verry small.... you would be allowed to go home, wait it out one night (most contractions will start) or after that time, go to the hospital, (for monitoring) if all else fails: pitocin.
I want to know her name!
I'm a certified doula and yeah, I 100% agree. In the beginning of the conversation she was way out of line and seemingly increasing Laura's fear. The end of the conversation was better. Our job is to inform and support, and try to keep our emotions out of it (and also to NOT give medical advice!)
Wow just wow. Your doctor may seemed ruff but I completely understand that she was trying to get the point across about the severity of things. The doula just holy crap. Laura, I know that you probably really love your doula but suggesting you go against doctors orders is just mind blowing. I am so glad you and Poppy are both safe!!!!
I am shocked that the doula thought she was more knowledgeable than the actual medical doctor. That’s actually kind of concerning. She could have single handily harmed not only the baby but Laura as well. Thank God all went well. I prayed for all of you.
Castor oil is super bad for labor inducement- The baby could have a bowel movement while still inside you.
I agree this doula wasn't on the right medical side.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who didn’t like her. If she helped her that’s cool but the information she gave her sounded insane.
@@abbyb2752 You know what? I hope the doula watches this and sees all the comments.
Castor oil 🙄!! What a crook!
That “Doula” was in no place to be giving that much medical advice. She’s not a doctor. I love you Laura but please get someone new. She put you and Penelope at risk.
Echinacea probiotic? For possible infection? And castor oil? Are you f kidding me who is this woman? Does she even have a degree in medicine, pharmacy or something like that?
Absolutely not. She sounds like the type of person who says essential oils cured her cancer. 🙄
@@TattooedScientist absolutely agree!
She's a doula guys... not a midwife. She legally doesn't need a degree in anything.
Crazy.
@@britneygehrts722 No one said anything about that. Her information being given to clients is still EXTREMELY inaccurate and dangerous.
Her doula was trying everything to not get her to go to the hospital.. she had no concern for Laura or Poppy.. she just wanted to be around to help deliver "The Laura Clery's" baby.. and she was still at the hospital so Idk why she was so against Laura going when the Dr. told her to.
Doulas don’t deliver babies they help with fallowing the mommy’s birth wishes if at all possible
@Ruby Baker
Poppy is a nickname for Penelope.
@@Crystal-vp7wr but if they were planning a natural home birth and most likely don't have a midwife (because why would you call the doula over the medically trained midwife?) then the doula would be there and assisting with the birth. She did give dangerous advice, regardless.
@Ruby Baker
Apparently overseas it is.
@Ruby Baker they decided o. Penelope as her name and Poppy as her nickname because they love both names.. Watch their video then you'll understand
Informed consent doesn't mean don't listen to medical advice it means medical professionals owe you a full, clear explanation of your options so that you can make the best choice for your health
Which also the doctor failed to deliver.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 the doctor was wide and clear about everything, the fact that your water broke more than 18 hours ago is at high risk of foetal infections that could possibly lead to its death. From my perspective, the doctor made the right call to induce her so she doesn't risk the life of the baby.
Sometimes it doesn't all go according to the plan, but we have to play it safe
Which is what the doctor did. She was super clear and direct. Sometimes, in emergencies, you can't coddle a patient. You need to be frank, direct and emphatic on the real potential dangers to the woman and the child.
Informed consent means you don't have consent either. Also she was not given informed consent. There are steps you can take before pictocin such as monitoring for a few more hours, prophylactic anti-biotics etc. The obgyn did not explain the risks of pictocin either
@@wiame2063 The doctor doesn't make the call. Only the birthing woman does.
I wouldn't have waited. A friend of my daughter, her waters broke and the hospital sent her home. The baby got an infection and was stillborn. Don't wait. Your baby is more important than a birth plan.
No the woman's choices are more important than anything
@@Jennawxyz221 so you're saying that as long as she has a choice in what to do ,it's okay if the baby gets an affection and dies? You do realize that most mothers don't want their babies to die and she doesn't have control over when her body decides to expel the baby right?
Or are you just stupid
@@Jennawxyz221 um so your saying as long as shes comfortable, the baby doesn't matter. Wow, just wow. If someone is in labor, things dont go as planned. Now the choice between doing it as natural as possible so shes comfortable and the baby ends up sick, or doing it in a hospital not as natural where the baby will be safe and well. Theres really no choice between your comfort and your childs life. I hope you never have kids if you think that you being comfortable is more important than your kids life
@@Jennawxyz221 The safety of the baby and the mother is more important than anything. Had Laura waited she would have been putting herself and Poppy at risk. Having a birth plan is nice but at the end of the day, it's getting the baby born healthy is the most important thing.
@@Jennawxyz221 🤬
That 'Doula' needs to be educated!!!! 🤬
Agreed
Who in hell is advising Laura against the doctor? 🤬🤬🤬🤬 has she ever had a baby infected 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Not to mention the castol oil😡😡😡
That Doula gave awful advice
That's exactly what I said too!! Like WTAF!!! Until I had my first kid in 2013 I was planning on using it. Told my OB and he told me exactly why that is a bad idea!!!
I am in utter shock from what the doula said. That was ridiculous.
This is the reason doulas get a bad rap. A doulas job is to give informational, emotional and physical support where it's needed. It is never the doulas job to try to persuade someone not to follow their doctors instructions. If the mom wants other options she can ask.
I love doulas. They such a huge help for mommy and daddy before labor, during labor and even postpartum.
The doula didn't even talk about the risks of infection even though it's the most serious thing
I am glad you guys went to the hospital
So glad the baby is ok. The Doula needs investigating. You guys are a gorgeous family.
Your tears at the end almost brought me to tears. It’s so hard when there’s no right answers and you have to make a decision that can be so serious. It sucks and I felt for you.
I’m all for a home labor and delivery, but sometimes that’s just not possible. I feel Laura’s pain. I’m so glad baby and mommy are doing well. I take comfort in the fact that we as moms and dads make so many sacrifices for our children, some they’ll never know, but we always have their welfare at heart. ❤️
I had 7 children, 5 at home with no medical intervention, but as soon as the Midwives said I needed the hospital for 2 of the births, I was in the car..that Doula is Frankenstein!
The attitude of the doctor and the doula... 😱 I cannot. Especially the doctor’s tone. I’m so sorry you dealt with that high stress and intensity being thrust on you! My anxiety is so high just watching this. I’m so worried about part two.
I feel like the doctor was trying to get across the urgency of her needing to go to the hospital because it can be serious but completely agree about the doula she was totally unprofessional and she could of put her and the baby in so much danger.
The doctor was great. She didn’t sugar coat the situation because she’s seen some bad shit and wanted to make Laura very aware of the real risks she and baby were facing. Laura was cussing, so it’s pretty obvious they have a relationship already. The doula is the scary one.
Her information were biased and wrong. According to EBM you Can wait up to 48hours after water break. The signs of possible infection must be monitored closely but there is no reason for routine induction.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 what is EBM
@@Jess-sb2nj Evidence based medicine. It means your procedure is verified by scientific data.
The opposite is eminence-based medicine Which means your decisions are made based on your opinion and previous experience and not on medical science data.
The doctor was abusive. She did not give informed consent nor the steps to take before pictocin nor tell her the risks of pictocin vs the risks of infection.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 that's why I asked, wasn't sure you weren't looking at a webMD equivalent, apologies for the slight and thanks for the informative reply!
When i was born my mom had to get petocin due to high blood pressure. It was genuinely upsetting to hear the doula go against the doctor. If a doctor says theres a risk for infection probiotics are not gonna help. Im so glad penelope was born safely 💗
First of all I'm so happy that she came out healthy. Why was there so much debate about what to do?! The ob said to go to the hospital immediately, my ass would've been like alright I'm going 😂. I appreciate doulas but when it comes down to it I wouldn't hesitate to take my doctors advice
This happened to me though, my doctor sent me straight to hospital and they sent me home. 🤣
@@hanwirtz4305 i will still always go to the hospital initially if my ob told me to
How about the fact Laura's just chilling having a full on convo with the doctor and her legs are still wide open! 😂 I ABSOLUTELY love her.
Birth doesn't follow a plan. The only birthplan you should have is to have a safe baby. Whether that is medicated, natural, induced, c section, whatever.
My daughter had her umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. The doctors could see her heart rate going down with every contraction and had to do a c section to save her life. If I was laboring at home i could have lost her.
Your story is like Daniella Monet I'm so sry what's your baby's name?
Amen. Doula was being ignorant and didn’t know what she was saying. Yes mom has the right to do what she wanted, but the doctor knows more than anyone there and she knew if they didn’t get a hospital, baby was going to get an infection. The doula saying that she shouldn’t go to the hospital is completely ignorant and idiotic. She could’ve put her baby in danger. So I completely agree with you. It’s not about what you want at that point. It’s about the safety of the baby
My baby was born at 32 weeks. She weighed 1kgs. I suffered a very rare event called CAPS. Most women don’t survive it. I spent almost a year in hospital. The baby went home before me. My birth plan didn’t even come into fruition. I nearly died. As did my child. You just gotta go with the flow
The end of the day. They want an alive child AND mother. Because what child wants to grow up without A mother. The drs know what they are doing. That doula gave such bad medical advice. Castor oil should NEVER be used.
This is why I tell women to have a birth preference, not a birth plan. Things can go sideways fast. I wanted to go all natural for my first and ended up having severe preeclampsia and a placental abruption. Life gets in the way of plans!
@@kyurin4u480 everything turned out ok. The doctors made a quick decision and were able to get her out. She was perfectly fine. But if i was at home by the time it would have been noticed and by the time i got to the hospital it could have ended badly.
Steven if they didn’t induce, the baby might not have been fine. That doula made me so mad, I had pitocin and I didn’t feel anything. Getting induced is not as scary as a dead baby.
Definitely not. It also wasn't an induction. Her water was broken and she was in active labor. She was just progressing slow so a little pitocin would do help things along. I know that it is a strong medication and that can be scary but man, Laura and the doula (Steven seemed to have his head on straight), kept acting like the effects of the pitocin wouldn't be worth the benefits, is a healthy baby.
Yes! This! Back in the day they would give a massive shot of pitocin and it did make it WAY more painful but I delivered in 2018 and there are TEN levels of pitocin starting at the minimum and working up until you are laboring regularly and then they turned it off - I made it to 7 cm without an epidural with pitocin and it wasn’t bad at all
You can tell the doula was second guessing her self on everything she was saying. Like she regretted giving medical advice and was like go to the hospital. Wow options but she first said you don’t have to go to the hospital . Crazy doula she got
Was the doula the one in the phone sorry I’m really confused
I am like that with my 4th baby! My youngest...my water broke but i feel no pain....i was not given anything but i have her in a normal labor...everything's well....and now she is already 13yrs old!
I really praise and thanks God for being with me,always....❤❤❤
No matter how anyone chooses to bring a baby into this world. The fact that you carried life, and delivered makes any mom amazing. I will say this, I had to have potosin to get my contraction started, and was still able to go without an epidural. It's not impossible, and I can't believe some of the things the midwife was suggesting she'd try.(scary) Don't know the outcome of your delivery yet Laura, but whether you went natural, or not you're still an amazing mom.
❤️❤️❤️
Absolutely! It doesn’t matter.
We women do some amazing beautiful wonderful things. We should be celebrated no matter how we birthed our child.
The woman on the phone was a doula, NOT a midwife. Very different roles.
Who wants to have raging diarrhea as she may be pushing? I have IBS and can tell u that it takes alot out of me to have diarrhea. In fact, I feel faint and weak immediately. If Laura had done that, she would have that mess and a new baby to deal with. Castor oil? This is 2021!!!!
I currently work as a student midwife in the UK, I know it’s different in every country ( and don’t need a train of people jumping on me!) we never advise castor oil and we give women up to 36hrs after SROMing before we intervene (induction) as intervention leads to instrumental deliveries
This!! Im in the UK and had PPROM at 31 wks, was given steroids, antibs and weekly monitoring and delivered at 38 wks. I think the OB here put the scare tactics on and the doula gave some mixed advice.. No to castor oil but definitely good suggestions to try to encourage labour at home. Poor Laura was made to feel petrified and split in her feelings by the two people she was counting on to help her.
Yes this is called evidence based medicine. Why to induced labor Which is already in process... What the hell.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 it’s because here in America we pay for what they prescribe medical induced labor means more money plus it often helps add in the need of a c-section which here is 10k or more depending of the hospital prices. America also has very bad numbers to successful births and has very high death rates.
Here in the US I don’t *THINK* it’s advised, but I could be wrong. My obgyn at least is highly against it. I’m not sure on the other, just because I haven’t had that happen. My first came on his own and my second I went to be induced to find out I was already in labor, but still got a dose and ended up not needing it upped due to having him shortly after. It’s so crazy how it varies everywhere. I wish they all agreed and didn’t use such unnecessary and dangerous advice/options unless it was absolutely needed. I know my obgyn will induce anytime after 39 weeks, just because. Unless he knows the baby isn’t where they need to be or mommy isn’t dilated any. I’ve always been lucky and started going into labor and dilated, so I never had to worry about it. But I know others that have and I wish they would have just waited, instead of pushing for induction. 🥺
The woman gives herself 36 hours or more. You do not decide anything. The birthing woman decides based on risks and benefits to herself whether she wants intervention after 36 hours. If you give intervention without consent that is obstetric violence.
Your doula was so spiteful... your ob was worried for you as she’s probably seen this sort of thing go south very quick many times hence why she was being straight up and brutally honest with you both. X
How can that Doula be sooo confident to go against the Drs advice. I’m just glad Laura knew to listen to the Dr. That Doula was scary!!! Wow just Wow!!!
Aww, Laura! I remember this struggle as well. I planned on having a natural birth, but developed preeclampsia and needed to be induced pretty quickly. Even ended up with an epidural bc being induced kicked my butt. In the end, it literally didn't matter. Once that baby is in your arms it won't matter how you got her there. Best of luck! 💙
Gotta love & appreciate how casual/chill you look while sitting on the OBGYN table as you find out you need to head to the hospital to deliver a baby immediately. 🪨⭐️
I love how she told you to eat before going to the hospital...there is a reason they don’t let you eat. The reason is in case you end up having an emergency C section you can aspirate because of the food you ate. Aspiration > respiratory complications like pneumonia.
Absolutely. I had a c section and was throwing up the whole time because i ate a bit
They are not in position to “let woman” to do anything. They should explain risks But let woman in labor starve for hours Just because there is an option It could end with ceasarean is not only stupid but also very outdated.
@@veronikanavratilova1930 in my case they said it was up to me but strongly advised against eating. You're hooked up to an IV so you're not actually starving. I ate a little bit and regretted it tremendously
And it could spill into something if there are complications and kill the mother and baby!!!
I know right?! Wtf
I’m sorry but that doula was wrong. I was in your situation Laura. Water broke. 2 cms dilated, 100% effaced. Was having mild and inconsistent contractions. Tried a few hours of walking without anything however because of the risk of infection I was given pitocin. Is it intense? Hell ya. Guess what though? After the dosage I was able to walk around. Go in a jacuzzi tub. I gave birth without an epidural. (To be fair I was asking for it at the end but things happened so fast I was already at 10 cms 😂 ). Fastest, easiest and most wild birth ever. Women are amazing!
Sending love and appreciation to you for being brave enough to shate your story with us. Especially when women can be so critical of each other. Sending love, appreciation, & positive vibes
Holy shit Laura! That was all so crazy! I know you already have had your beautiful healthy girl Penelope, but this still feels like the biggest cliffhanger ever! Please post part 2 ASAP! ❤️
Gotta love when a doula thinks they are more educated/knowledgeable than a damn medical doctor that not only went through medical school, but SPECIALIZED in obstetrics.
This doula is lucky she’s never been sued. 😑🙄
Thank you I’m like wtf.. castor oil..NOOOO not only it can make u sick it can put the baby in distress and cause their heart rate to drop. I’m sorry she couldn’t do a natural labor breed bacteria within hours. That an emergency to get this baby out. This doula is supposed to be support not an health specialist. Their are midwife doula at least they are medical professionals also the support a mother need they can also explain the medical language and fill out paper work so your partner can just focus on you n the baby
The same knowledgeable educated doctors will kill you fallowing what they were taught and almost killed me twice before I woke up to who really writes their textbooks
@@Crystal-vp7wr and a ignorant doula wouldn’t? A medical doctor-years of medical training, including specialized training in obstetrics, or a doula whose training/certification can vary state to state? One can be as granola and “I do everything ‘natural’ “ as you wish, but this was a glaring representation of just how inept a doula (and even some midwives) can be.
Let me make it clear that yes, even highly skilled medical doctors are human and therefore prone to error. Obstetrics is one practice where the cost of liability insurance just to practice in their field is astronomical.
Let’s not sit here and pretend a doula and a MD are even in the same league as far as experience and education.
I’d also like to state that some doctors continue to stay current in their field and do not rely on what was taught way back in med school. Science, and therefore medicine, is a ever-changing field. The best practitioners stay current on advancements.
@@Crystal-vp7wr Don’t put all doctors into one stereotypical bubble. That’s ignorance.
Respectfully, that doula needs to loose whatever license she has. She is giving you advice that will put you and your baby's life at risk
Omg well looks like this is my first vid to watch tomorrow
Does anyone know when part two is?
I've never clicked so fast.
Baby coming??????
@@haydenantonia9830 baby is already here though. It’s a girl check on Facebook
I find these videos so comforting. I'm having my first baby this Friday. He's breech so I'm having a scheduled c section. I'm super nervous but for some reason watching birth videos have been so comforting. I've watched these videos multiple times but they never get old! ❤️
Wow your doctor and your doula could have handled that better. I’m sorry. Glad things worked out well.
We love you so much Momma! I hate to see you cry but I am so happy she came out to be such a healthy beautiful baby girl!
Your doctor was rude but spoke truth, maybe because your doula told you otherwise you didn’t want to believe her. But at the end of the day your doctor is a doctor who went to school for a very long time. Your doula did not. She is there to make money on making you happy. She wasn’t very nice either though. Your decision should have been so easy to just take care of you and the baby. The doula did not need to make things worse the way she did.
I'm glad you have Stephen by your side, he is doing such a good job.
Please tell me you didn't listen to her and take caster oil! Not only does it make you poop but it makes the baby poop too which is extremely toxic if she were to inhale that in the womb!
Ahh so excited to see the rest ❤ shes so beautiful
When I heard her mention caster oil my jaw hit the floor 😬😬 how dangerous ! Think she needs to re-educate herself before working with any other mothers.
Honestly that Doula...... I can’t handle her!!!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, HOPE YOU AND YOUR SWEET BABY GIRL ARE WELL AND HEALTHY AFTER THIS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They are healthy and doing well.
The doula giving one thousand options outside of going to the hospital seriously overwhelmed me
I really don’t like the exchange with the doula... she was not reassuring or calming at all. I understand she is there to keep you both healthy but she is also there for emotional support when needed.
You guys are freaking amazeballs! Here in New Zealand she was born on the 31st which was my 4yrs clean and sober bday!! And I was totally buzzing that you chose Poppy as her nickname as it was my suggestion. I cannot wait to see Pt 2!! I just have so much love for you guys and beautiful wee family xxx
Laura just casually sitting their pant less chatting up a storm lol 🤣 this is why I love you Laura
You know what is the amazing thing. Watching your videos. Cause I'm pregnant with my first child. And I just literally learn something new about when it's time to give birth. I have to keep what I learn in your vid today. For a just in case. It great that you did this vid cause it will teach expecting mothers a lot.
I am also a L&D nurse and while I love a doula, I have absolutely 🚫 respect for a doula that thinks she’s a midwife or OBGYN. I felt extremely sorry for Laura while she was taking to that doula on the phone .. it made her confused and even more frantic than she already was. Not to mention, the advice that the doula is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of a “safe” delivery. Anyone with an ounce of labor and delivery knowledge knows the extreme danger of a mother’s womb being exposed without her membranes intact. Advising her to walk around with her water broken is dangerous enough in itself... LET ALONE trying to induce diarrhea or as the doula said “basically you’ll just shit your baby out” (ummmmm HUH? That’s so NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE TRUTH.. and castor oil can be WAYYYYY worse than low doses of pitocin). Talk about bringing on painful labor. Sure lady... let’s introduce gut wrenching intestinal cramps and water diarrhea for the next 24 hours IN ADDITION to God awful uterine contractions... not to mention almost 100% likelihood your baby will get a “shitty” trip outta the vag canal. Let’s just talk about how that little “sitch” could introduce an ENTIRE different realm of bacteria to the uterus and to Penelope. I’m really at a loss for words here. The actual birth remains to be seen but I’m sure Laura made the right decision to follow the directions of her physician. To anyone reading this.... please always follow the direction of a physician when having a baby. Yes, plenty of women have given birth without medical intervention but plenty of mamas and babies have had a host of issues because of that decision (if they even had a decision). My point is that if you’re going to follow the advice of a doula in place of a midwife or physician, why even seek medical care to begin with, right? If you’re that sure of a doula’s experience to direct your labor, just trust her completely and you might get lucky and have the labor or your dreams but you also may not. Be smart. Think of that baby!!! God bless. 💗💗
I started crying 😢 when you cried at the end Laura, gosh you were getting from everyone you poor thing!!
Love ❤️ how open and honest you and Steven are - love you guys xxx
I'm sorry but this Doula is dangerous. There is a reason that doctors go to school for so many years before they are even aloud to touch a patient. On a lighter note I love you Laura you are an amazingly strong woman and inspire me all the time.
I just felt a huge wave of emotions watching this. I dont think ive ever balled so much in my life. 2 put of my 3 were all natural and I was no where close to anything like that. Huge props Laura!!! Shes so beautiful.
Saw it on Facebook. Waiting for part 2.
First time momma here and I’m so grateful for all the info you share Laura! I’m learning so much from you and important things to discuss with my OB. ❤️
I'll be 37 weeks Friday and I learned so much just from listening to your doctor. The doula however....ditch her
Can only imagine how hard this moment was for you, having been through your first birth and having your hopes for the second, I hope things went well in the end and you and your beautiful family are happy and healthy
I truly believe if I doctor says you need to go to the hospital, you need to go.
I love how supportive Steven is with him constantly saying it’s your decision 💜
All mom's are really great❤️
There's this thing called scope of practice... Your doctor is a DOCTOR for a reason.
Number 4?! This has never happened to me before lmao. Can't wait for the video!!!
Wdym?
Huh
She means she was the 4th comment or like, or both.. or whatever. Who cares.
@@pamelabaxter2829 oh lol
Y’all the fact that she her makeup on beautifully...is crazy!! Like she is so pretty and I love her so much! Laura you are amazing and I wish I was yo best Fran!! Haha This couple is hilarious! 🤣😂😂
You deserve better healthcare providers! They both spoke inappropriately and rather than validate your feelings, that shot you down and were on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of your care. I’m so glad everything went well for you!
OMGoodness!!!! I’m so excited and happy for you two!! Sending out loving prayers for your smooth, safe delivery and for your beautiful, healthy baby girl 💝🙏🏻💝🤗
See everyone is serious inside their body , congratulations momma
I am an OB nurse and what your doula told you is not real medical advise. Your OB was doing the best thing for you
When is pt 2 coming????? This is too much for a cliffhanger
We need number 2!!!! 🥰🥰🥰 The wait is worse than my actual 3 labours🤣🤣🤣
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Induction isn’t fun, but necessary sometimes. I get your disappointment, I felt that way with both of mine bc I wanted to naturally labor at home if possible and it just didn’t work out. I’ve got 2 healthy girls now and they’re thriving.
Can I just say I love Laura and Stephen’s relationship, they’re so supportive of each other and I just love them both! I’m so glad Penelope has arrived and mom and baby are happy and healthy! ❤️❤️
I'm so happy to be sharing my birth month with Poppy❤️
Edit: I- That Doula or whatever u can call her is completely insane!
Only at 6.05 in video. I have to tell you, I labored with my first for 16 hours before epidural. Painful, but it was okay. I was so tired and that's why i finally got epi. I had to be induced w my son and it was one of the most traumatic experiences I've ever had! Those contractions were 1000000x worse than natural labor. I thought i was dying. My son became distressed i was blacking out my room was chaotic w nurses my midwife and then dr. Turned into emergency c section. Im all for natural but I'm so concerned doula said castor oil when water was broke because one of the big known issues w that is baby ingesting the meconium and becoming very sick. Thank goodness you and that beautiful baby are fine. Thanks for sharing your exp. Cant wait for pt 2!
I hate it when you get conflicting information! I am so sorry this happened to you, Laura!!
Thankful that your baby girl is here and healthy
Wasn't sure if there was going to be a birthday vidoe but you never let us down!! 🥰
I just want to give Laura a hug I feel so bad 🥺😟😭
I’m pretty sure the reason you can’t eat when you get to the hospital is just in case you end up in surgery and then there’s a risk of asphyxiation if you were to throw up while under anesthesia. That knowledge shouldn’t have been used as something negative to give another reason to be against going to the hospital
I love how no matter how serious her situation is that "I'm gonna make you piss your pants" is there 24/7... If I'm feeling depressed she is the only one that is able to make my day 😆😊
I’m watching this and freaking out even though I know everyone is fine.
I was in prodromal labor for a week 😩
My heart goes out to you at the end of this video. I tried for a vbac a few weeks ago and after four hours pushing and baby and I had fever, they advised a repeat c-section since her heart rate wasn't looking well. I'm trying not to be upset about it, but my heart goes out to you when it doesn't go like you hoped...
Man, that lady who did the intial check was awful! I'd have felt like I was in trouble with the principal - she has horrific bedside manner.
Good on you Laura for being a trooper and staying positive during that visit. 💕
Totally agree! ❤️👍🏻
It's exactly what happened on my 3rd baby, but I had been leaking waters for 3 days without me realizing before i went to a sheduled growth check scan. I was rushed straight in and induced because of the risk of infection. My daughter was born that night, and we had to stay in for 2 days as it had been so long she had been without her full waters. Births go there own way, it was not what I wanted but she is safe and well. Congratulations on the birth of poppy, she is beautiful.
You can see in Laura’s eyes that she is so torn and looks almost done with the conversation about if the baby will get infected or not if she goes to the hospital. She just wants a clear answer on what to do.
When will you post part 2? Im soooo excited to see! 😍 ive been watching since the beginning, since before you guys had Alfie, since Day 1!! Love you guys!!
“How broke is my water?” Lmao!!!
I've worked in the Labor and Delivery Unit for a decade. Your obstetrician was absolutely right. Too many uneducated people googling over the internet, then in the end the baby suffers for it. Too many unnecessary admissions to the Nicu, the baby getting pricked and given antibiotics over something that could have been avoided. It is good to be informed nowadays, but having a real and good doctor is always better than unproven things you read online.
On a minor note, having broken your water for more than 18 hrs can be managed by IV antibiotics to protect the baby and mother. But you do have to hasten then birth though, otherwise the risk for infection is high. But in then end you got a healthy baby, which is the most important thing Laura. Congratulations!
Mama Doctor Jones needs to react to this!!!
Congratulations Mama ❤️ like everybody else in the comment section I can't believe the doula said that and thought she was more educated than the doctor and if somebody told me that about my baby I would be freaking out.
Her calling it your “vag“ shows her level of professionalism. 🙄
This is really exciting! I love your channel and I love how real you guys are ❤️