Nothing like a new sled day! Pro tips from Landon are rad, useful information from experience. What you found on your scales after installing ELEVATE shows why we recommend a 7/16" increase in front track shock spring preload on the g5 when installing our spindles, and considering running your limiter strap in the longer position to redistribute some of that weight carried by the skid back to the front track shock! Weight distribution has been very fun for us to experiment with - we use a similar approach for a baseline static weight distribution calculation as well as a more scientific formula for variable weight transfer/dynamic sag while on snow. Really enjoying these deep dive tech videos!
I know nothing about setting up sleds especially new sleds, I never owned one. But you’re really good at this and I’ve learned a lot. I appreciate it. This is something you should probably start a business doing for people, If you don’t already. I know everybody is different and their styles are different. But that’s where you come in
This just randomly popped on my feed. Had old used Massey Storms, a couple Yamaha Enticers and Exciters, a Rupp 800 (well Scorpion, but same same), several Polaris XCSP 600's and an 800, and the last sled was a 2005 Rev 600. Loved that sled and the forward design. Moved out here to Phoenix in 2010 and the sleds had to go sadly. There was no where to keep any of them when I came out. Actually got to fix a 2009 Summit Everest 146 in 2018 for a guy out here. The one place in Arizona that fixed and retailed sleds regularly stopped wrenching in 2017, no clue if they do again now. Though several people he found me, and it was nice to smell the two stroke again. I'm subing so I can see how much stuff has changed the last 15 years. Enjoy that new sled brother!
Ok so that is very very interesting on the scale portion on how things changed. My gen4 aftermarket turbo sled has the iceage full setup and this is making me wanna put it on scales and play around with shock setting, limiter strap and springs and see where it’s changing
I thought so too! I'll be doing a more in depth video of suspension changes and weight changes once I'm able to ride it and get a good feel for it! Its really cool how much adjusting preload on the springs and adjusting the limiter strap affects where the weight goes and is distributed
Nice. But y need to tension (and as you say loosen strap) the center spring load alot to even out the weight points F, C, R sled will become very unsettling to drive when acceleration and braking. Aim for even load on these 3 points. OBS. measure it Sled LOADED with driver on!
Thanks for the tips! Yes I will be adjusting it more after riding it and talking about the adjustments made. Then re weighing it to compare the weights!
Hey Landon I was looking at the Kyber risers and they look to be Polaris specific, do you have a part number and/or site where you ordered from? Thanks man sled looks stellar BTW
You went from a 23 to a 25 yea? In 24 they increased valving and spring rates on the front ski shocks as well as the torsion. I noticed it right away. I’m heavier than you and could definitely see where even stiffer torsion would be an upgrade. 👍🏼
Ran a 23 expert turbo 154", then a 24 freeride 146" turbo, now a 25 freeride 154" turbo, with the enzo kybs on each sled. The heavier torsions are a must have in my opinion especially for any sort of aggressive riding
It looks like you have issues with the front skid shock spanner nut rattling loose as well? I noticed the rubber lined hose clamp. I like that idea! I just did a few wraps of electrical tape. Were your weights with full fuel and oil? I decided to put a can on my 2024 and was also looking at belt drive, I put scales under my sled cause I was curious like you, and was surprised to see the left side decently heavier than the right. So really cans and belt drives just make the sled more out of balance… I thought it might be interesting to relocate the oil reservoir to try to balance weight more.
Yeah Tim (ENZO Canada) set that up like that and it works great! Yes it was full of oil and fuel. I agree it's interesting where the weight is distributed and how lightening up the right makes it more unbalanced. I'm not sure if the slight gain in balance would be worth the effort ro relocate the oil tank and im not sure where else it would be able to go
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon I seen some Polaris builders with aftermarket fuel tanks with the oil resi centered in the fuel tank or something. Looked interesting! 👀 but yes, whether it’s actually worth the work and money… 🤷🏼♂️
Something like 18' wide and maybe 30' long. Initially made it for working on my dirtbike (hence the smaller cement pad) but it works pretty good to work on 1 or 2 sleds as well!
Did you loctite the inner bolts of the ice aged axle? Not the bolts outside the rails that you use to adjust track tension, the ones on the offsets? I never did and wondering if i should take the axle out and apply some.. do they come loose often throughout the season?
I find that the killswitch is more dangerous when it accidentally gets hit so I remove it completely. Pull both pins out of the plug when swapping the handlebars/heater elements. I make sure to warn anyone that rides my sled that the tether/fob is the killswitch tho!
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon I was wondering if that's what you did, I rarely use the killswitch these days other than when I accidentally hit it. Thanks for the info!
Nice sled Landon Just wondering why you don’t use a torsion delete and go with a coil over shock on rear skid? Also I’ve heard when using elevate spindles, guys have to let out their limit straps a bit
Thank you! All the factory race sleds still use torsions and with the stiffer ones almost all the sag is eliminated. ENZO Canada does excellent work customizing these KYB c40s and torsions is what gets used. I'll be testing different lengths once it's on the snow and reporting back in a future episode about important suspension adjusts that can easily be done
With respect to weight and pressures it seems like you could’ve just reduce the preload on the center shock and get the exact same numbers without switching out the spindles?
True but that's not how the sled will be ridden either, I should have clarified a little bit better that I will be adjusting the suspension and limiter strap length (if needed) so the sled "feels" the way I like, then re weighing it to see how much different it is from the first two sets of weights. By putting on taller spindles it is changing the geometry of the chassis so itll still affect the sleds handling more than just reducing the preload on the center shock.
Awesome looking sled! With your total weight at about 565 just wondering how much gas you had loaded to calc empty weight. Also where did you pick up your hvy duty springs and spacers. Many thanks and keep the vids coming.
Thank you! For both weigh ins the sled was full of oil and gas. Only difference was the Elevate Spindles. Torsion spring spacers were bought locally thru a guy a few years ago (I cannot find his contact now) they should be online tho if you do a bit of searching. HD torsion springs I got thru ENZO Canada with the Pro Performance Suspension package. They are most likely available separately tho as well.
Hey Landon, pretty aggressive rider myself. Not quite on your level yet, but my ? Is would a guy that weighs 140 without any gear on need those heavier torsion springs? And I love the ice age accessories as well. And after watching this I’m robbing my 22 spindles and putting them on my 23 freeride 🤘
I think it would be beneficial because without them the sag in the rear suspension is significant even without any weight on the sled. For reference I am 180lbs with no gear. Those are the springs that were included in the pro performance package i ordered from ENZO Canada (full custom c40s and springs based on weight and riding style)
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon 10-4, and me being a light framed dude I make the sled carrying basically everything but avy rescue, so that poor thing has like 40-65 pounds on it depending the day. 🤘thanks man, appreciate it!
I set it up so the suspension sags approx 1-2 inches when I'm standing centered on the sled with no gear in the shop. With the HD torsions there is pretty much no sag unweighted
Depends on sled brand, riding style, and your height! I used to race motocross so I like to be in the "race" position while riding. Everyone has a different preference so if its possible to try some different height risers before buying thatd be the best
Lies, its the same sled as last year, and the year before... and the year before that.... And the year before that one too. You've rebuilt it many times.
Nothing beats that “new sled” smile 😊
🙌🤘 you know it
Nothing like a new sled day! Pro tips from Landon are rad, useful information from experience. What you found on your scales after installing ELEVATE shows why we recommend a 7/16" increase in front track shock spring preload on the g5 when installing our spindles, and considering running your limiter strap in the longer position to redistribute some of that weight carried by the skid back to the front track shock! Weight distribution has been very fun for us to experiment with - we use a similar approach for a baseline static weight distribution calculation as well as a more scientific formula for variable weight transfer/dynamic sag while on snow. Really enjoying these deep dive tech videos!
I'd like to see some tech videos with some of your R&D included, that would be pretty sweet.
Also pumped to be running your top quality products for another season 🤘
I know nothing about setting up sleds especially new sleds, I never owned one. But you’re really good at this and I’ve learned a lot. I appreciate it. This is something you should probably start a business doing for people, If you don’t already. I know everybody is different and their styles are different. But that’s where you come in
Thank you! Appreciate that!
The corner scaling is sick can’t wait to see more on that
Thank you! Stay tuned ill do another one once I'm able to ride it focused on handling, weight transfer and suspension adjustments!
Oh I love the custom Key! 🔑
Thanks!
This just randomly popped on my feed. Had old used Massey Storms, a couple Yamaha Enticers and Exciters, a Rupp 800 (well Scorpion, but same same), several Polaris XCSP 600's and an 800, and the last sled was a 2005 Rev 600. Loved that sled and the forward design. Moved out here to Phoenix in 2010 and the sleds had to go sadly. There was no where to keep any of them when I came out. Actually got to fix a 2009 Summit Everest 146 in 2018 for a guy out here. The one place in Arizona that fixed and retailed sleds regularly stopped wrenching in 2017, no clue if they do again now. Though several people he found me, and it was nice to smell the two stroke again. I'm subing so I can see how much stuff has changed the last 15 years. Enjoy that new sled brother!
That's an awesome backstory and it sounds like you've had some pretty cool sleds! I appreciate the support and hope you enjoy this winters episodes!
Beauty!!
I'm a polaris guy but i still enjoy your vids. 🎉
Awesome! Thank you
Good for you that your able to own a new sled, you seem like a really good guy
Thank you!
Really cool you weighed that up. Pretty big difference.
Thanks! Yes it definitely is! I'm excited to adjust the suspension to the "feel" I like then re weigh it!
Ok so that is very very interesting on the scale portion on how things changed. My gen4 aftermarket turbo sled has the iceage full setup and this is making me wanna put it on scales and play around with shock setting, limiter strap and springs and see where it’s changing
I thought so too! I'll be doing a more in depth video of suspension changes and weight changes once I'm able to ride it and get a good feel for it! Its really cool how much adjusting preload on the springs and adjusting the limiter strap affects where the weight goes and is distributed
Sweet set up Landon. Good for you. Looking good! Cant wait to see some snow!!
Thank you! Yes hoping for an early winter!!
Nice. But y need to tension (and as you say loosen strap) the center spring load alot to even out the weight points F, C, R sled will become very unsettling to drive when acceleration and braking. Aim for even load on these 3 points. OBS. measure it Sled LOADED with driver on!
Thanks for the tips! Yes I will be adjusting it more after riding it and talking about the adjustments made. Then re weighing it to compare the weights!
Hey Landon I was looking at the Kyber risers and they look to be Polaris specific, do you have a part number and/or site where you ordered from? Thanks man sled looks stellar BTW
Yeah here is their site and skidoo collection! kyber.one/collections/ski-doo
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandonthank you sir, hope to see you out there this year, do you put on ride clinics?
Just wondering if you've bent the bomber rails before? Is that why you've put the extra brace on. Good video!
Nope I haven't bent them yet, I just use their extra brace for the added strength since I am jumping alot
You went from a 23 to a 25 yea? In 24 they increased valving and spring rates on the front ski shocks as well as the torsion. I noticed it right away. I’m heavier than you and could definitely see where even stiffer torsion would be an upgrade. 👍🏼
Ran a 23 expert turbo 154", then a 24 freeride 146" turbo, now a 25 freeride 154" turbo, with the enzo kybs on each sled. The heavier torsions are a must have in my opinion especially for any sort of aggressive riding
Love it when channels mix in mechanical work in there videos! Where did you get that Sicamous shirt?
Glad you enjoyed it! It was a limited run shirt that Basecamp Motorsports had! They might have a few left!
It looks like you have issues with the front skid shock spanner nut rattling loose as well? I noticed the rubber lined hose clamp. I like that idea! I just did a few wraps of electrical tape.
Were your weights with full fuel and oil? I decided to put a can on my 2024 and was also looking at belt drive, I put scales under my sled cause I was curious like you, and was surprised to see the left side decently heavier than the right. So really cans and belt drives just make the sled more out of balance… I thought it might be interesting to relocate the oil reservoir to try to balance weight more.
Yeah Tim (ENZO Canada) set that up like that and it works great! Yes it was full of oil and fuel. I agree it's interesting where the weight is distributed and how lightening up the right makes it more unbalanced. I'm not sure if the slight gain in balance would be worth the effort ro relocate the oil tank and im not sure where else it would be able to go
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon I seen some Polaris builders with aftermarket fuel tanks with the oil resi centered in the fuel tank or something. Looked interesting! 👀 but yes, whether it’s actually worth the work and money… 🤷🏼♂️
How big is your shop? It seems like the perfect size to pull a sled into and have enough room to work on it.
Something like 18' wide and maybe 30' long. Initially made it for working on my dirtbike (hence the smaller cement pad) but it works pretty good to work on 1 or 2 sleds as well!
doo u think the kyber ski rubbers are better than the salazzking rubbers that rasmussen sells ? thanks landon. love your vids !!
From my experience with both, I'd say they have very similar functionality and quality. Flip a coin or choose based on color options
Did you loctite the inner bolts of the ice aged axle? Not the bolts outside the rails that you use to adjust track tension, the ones on the offsets? I never did and wondering if i should take the axle out and apply some.. do they come loose often throughout the season?
Yes I'd definitely loctite those, as well as a little bit on the outside ones
Where the heck did you put the killswitch, looks clean without it on the bar.
I find that the killswitch is more dangerous when it accidentally gets hit so I remove it completely. Pull both pins out of the plug when swapping the handlebars/heater elements. I make sure to warn anyone that rides my sled that the tether/fob is the killswitch tho!
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon I was wondering if that's what you did, I rarely use the killswitch these days other than when I accidentally hit it. Thanks for the info!
@@TomatoTomm yeah no problem! I forgot to mention it in the video!
I wonder what Landon's favorite color is. Does anyone know this one, hahhaa. Sick sled.
Hahahah
Dude I need that wrap 😂
I like to keep it simple 🤘
Nice sled Landon
Just wondering why you don’t use a torsion delete and go with a coil over shock on rear skid?
Also I’ve heard when using elevate spindles, guys have to let out their limit straps a bit
Thank you! All the factory race sleds still use torsions and with the stiffer ones almost all the sag is eliminated. ENZO Canada does excellent work customizing these KYB c40s and torsions is what gets used.
I'll be testing different lengths once it's on the snow and reporting back in a future episode about important suspension adjusts that can easily be done
Where do you get the heavy duty torsion springs?
@@ltsenterprises6639 I got them thru ENZO Canada with the Pro Performance package I bought. www.enzocanada.com/
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon thanks Landon
I grabbed the torsion spring rubbers same as you did to keep the torsion springs aligned
@@ltsenterprises6639 right on!
With respect to weight and pressures it seems like you could’ve just reduce the preload on the center shock and get the exact same numbers without switching out the spindles?
True but that's not how the sled will be ridden either, I should have clarified a little bit better that I will be adjusting the suspension and limiter strap length (if needed) so the sled "feels" the way I like, then re weighing it to see how much different it is from the first two sets of weights. By putting on taller spindles it is changing the geometry of the chassis so itll still affect the sleds handling more than just reducing the preload on the center shock.
Any chance we could get the numbers from a bone stock sled just so we are comparing everything to “stock” ?
I think I might just be able to do that, cause yours is bone stock!
Awesome looking sled! With your total weight at about 565 just wondering how much gas you had loaded to calc empty weight. Also where did you pick up your hvy duty springs and spacers. Many thanks and keep the vids coming.
Thank you! For both weigh ins the sled was full of oil and gas. Only difference was the Elevate Spindles. Torsion spring spacers were bought locally thru a guy a few years ago (I cannot find his contact now) they should be online tho if you do a bit of searching. HD torsion springs I got thru ENZO Canada with the Pro Performance Suspension package. They are most likely available separately tho as well.
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon Thanks for the info and have a great season!
Hey Landon, pretty aggressive rider myself. Not quite on your level yet, but my ? Is would a guy that weighs 140 without any gear on need those heavier torsion springs? And I love the ice age accessories as well. And after watching this I’m robbing my 22 spindles and putting them on my 23 freeride 🤘
I think it would be beneficial because without them the sag in the rear suspension is significant even without any weight on the sled. For reference I am 180lbs with no gear. Those are the springs that were included in the pro performance package i ordered from ENZO Canada (full custom c40s and springs based on weight and riding style)
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon 10-4, and me being a light framed dude I make the sled carrying basically everything but avy rescue, so that poor thing has like 40-65 pounds on it depending the day. 🤘thanks man, appreciate it!
@@rikj678 no problem!!
What tool did you use to split the ball joints? I always struggle with that.
With no weight on them I tape them (to prevent damage) then hit the inside of the spindle at the ball joint with a hammer
@@MountainStandardTimeWithLandon
Hah. Ok. That’s how I do it too.
@Gofaster2002 couple solid taps and they always pop off pretty easy!
Landon do you setup racesag on your suspension?
I set it up so the suspension sags approx 1-2 inches when I'm standing centered on the sled with no gear in the shop. With the HD torsions there is pretty much no sag unweighted
Where yu get the grip
Plates?
Skidoo grip plates! 860200164
Ha have seen resale on a 01 cummins
That's true but she's got some miles!
how to pick up right size for risers?
Depends on sled brand, riding style, and your height! I used to race motocross so I like to be in the "race" position while riding. Everyone has a different preference so if its possible to try some different height risers before buying thatd be the best
Lies, its the same sled as last year, and the year before... and the year before that.... And the year before that one too. You've rebuilt it many times.
Looks can be deceiving right! hahah but you know that this really is a 2025!
no bumpers?
@TonyMontana-bl4oj no bumpers
@@TonyMontana-bl4oj Landon doesn’t need bumpers, he doesn’t hit anything or get stuck.
@@ippielb 😂 very rarely