Fun to think about how Doom did manage to save his mom. Of course, he was against Mephisto, so he needed Dr Strange's help, but they managed to save her, which is quite impressive.
Honestly the lengths Doom goes to to accomplish his goals (whether they may be just or simply petty) is pretty impressive and unfathomable at the same time. Definitely one of my top 5 favourite comic book villains.
Fun fact: doom created latveria, he wanted to learn more magic so he traveled back in time to when the greatest sorcerers were in their prime to learn from them, and then instead of returning to the present he just waited it out and built latveria becoming the only ruler it has ever had. Then when he was born his parents named him after their king, who was Victor's future self. Victor's life and existence are a giant paradox.
@@zepperman2679 it's more every encounter with Victor is future Victor while present Victor is off becoming the Victor everyone knows. Once he built latveria he was It's only ruler, he even rules it via Astral projection when he gets sent to hell. A couple of people have been portrayed as becoming new rulers but they always turn out to be working for Victor so in all reality he has never relinquished power.
Fun story In regards to Dr. Doom's pettiness and awesomeness: You know the kids of Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman? Franklin and Valeria? When Sue was pregnant with her daughter, it was a comic book levels of risky pregnancy. Richards tried everything he could, but the only way he could do this would either kill at least one of them or be morally dubious at best. When all hope was lost, Doom showed up, saved them both because he has no quarrels with dubious means, baptized Valeria after an ex-girlfriend of his and self appointed himself as her godfather. Why did he do all this? Just as a power move to surpass Richards as a hero, husband and father. Note: And he Is genuinely fond of Valeria.
It's because Doctor Doom was very proud of himself and thought of any scar as a blemish on him? (But in Secret Wars, Doom's face was horribly scarred) (Maybe the hot mask caused the rest of the scars?)
I think it did a little more than melt his nose, it burned his face. It’s what happens when you put a still hit Metal Mask on your face. Honestly it’s a miracle all it did was burn his face and destroy his nose. His skin could have been fused to the mask.
That was a retcon of the original accident that was only canon for a few years. It has since reverted to the original "the accident ruined his face". They even added that Grimm caused the accident by intentionally sabotaging the machine.
The Secret Wars thing was just the reflection on how he sees himself. He was God Doom at the time. He could fix his face if he desired so. I'm pretty sure he could do it even without godly powers.
A bit off topic but I bring this up whenever I can because it's fucking amazing, I love how there's a story in the comics where Reed Richards finds out that Sue Storm has an illness and he can't figure out how to cure it, so The Human Torch has to sheepishly go ask Doom to save her, and Doom's only condition is that he be able to name their child so that Reed will never forget that when his wife was about to die he couldn't do anything about it but Doom could.
And he named it Valeria, after his first love. If I wanted to mess with Richards I would have named it Shitfuck so props to Doom for taking the classy route
In addition to when Doctor Doom saves Sue Storm, there was also an issue of X-Men where Kitty Pryde's phasing power had been corrupted and was killing her. The X-Men attempt to ask Reed Richards for help, but Reed claims he cannot do it due to a recent lack of confidence. At which point Doctor Doom bursts through the door basically going "DID SOMEONE SAY REED CANT DO A THING". Doom builds a machine to cure her which actually has a few flaws and the two end up teaming up to save her, Doom asking for a favor from the X-Men in return. He later called the favor to enter the demon realm of Limbo (Kitty Pryde could open the way using Magik's sword) and do a bunch of crazy Doctor Doom magic stuff.
Actually, fun fact, in the most recent X-Men/Fantastic 4 crossover limited series, a ton of the stuff you just mentioned got brought up. Kate Pryde and her Marauders, Franklin Richards, Doom, and a few other key X-Men and the fantastic four were main players, and it was an awesome read
Being friends with people is hard, because I outright refuse to be friends with ugly-looking people, or anyone who isn't beautiful-looking. There is no value in anyone like that.
@@jamesg6660 That's like some Pokemon villain tier shit. This is hillarious. Keep it up. Are you going to exterminate all of the ugliness out of the world to create a utopia for only perfect specimens of humanity?
Comic's Doom: Took an entire Multiversal achievement to finally discover and realize the errors of his way Solid JJ's Doom: Simply have a talk to talk with Reed
Tim Story/World's Greatest Doom: The accidents that caused the F4 to get their powers and Doom's scars were made into the same incident and both their faults. Reed however took responsibility for his actions while Doom didn't.
They can do a show together, call it "R&D" Where they manage together a research and development group for hire by different companies and have cameos and gags with other heroes and villains needing their help with mundane yet bizarre tasks.
To be fair, Doom really did turn Latveria around and made it a wonderful place to live. And it's been consistently portrayed that Doom taking over the world not only would create a utopia, it would also be the only timeline where humanity actually survives the future.
Well you're correct that his ruling is the only way for humanity to survive, but that's because he just wants to massacre/enslave all the mutants. We know from so many different accounts at this point that left uninhibited, Krakoa is gonna be one of the most powerful forces in the universe. Technically, one of the quiet council members has made it so he literally cannot lose.
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 So, what's the problem then? I'd much rather choose humanity over mutantkind. Humans create civilization, wonders of the world, tame the nature, all with just technology. Mutants have literal superpowers, and just use them on fighting one another and having high school drama. Not like you even need mutants to defend the Earth, since there's plenty of human superheroes that get the job done.
@@DifferentRussian Wait sorry I just saw this but this is absolutely hilarious you're literally using the same talking points as like every X-Men villain ever. And half aren't even true. If you wanna know why all your points are wrong in universe, read the entire comment. But the TLDR explains pretty briefly why advocating for killing an entire species might not be the best thing First let's address the claim that mutants just use their powers to fight each other and have high school drama. This has been completely debunked by the entire Krakoan age, but more specifically, a single, mid length comic book that released a month ago, titled "Immortal X-Men #10." Xavier specifically calls out people who seem to think that the X-Men fighting other mutants is the system working in an unintended fashion. He explains that the X-Men are pretty much exclusively there because there occasionally are mutant threats that, if left unchecked, would destroy the world. However, despite this fact, you seem to be disregarding the 16 million mutants that previously lived happily in a country of their own with pretty much no civil unrest, and the 200 thousand that currently live on a country of their own after the other 15.5 million were massacred by mutants. Mutants create civilizations. Mutants create technology more advanced than all but the smartest humans could even compare to. Mutants created the technology to bring anyone back from the dead, and have started a functioning society based around that. Mutants tamed the one force of nature humans thought immutable. Mutants are the future. For the claim that human superheroes are enough to get the job done: We've seen that pretty much any threat that the X-Men lose to ends up defeating the entire combined mass of all the earth's enhanced. The Sentinels in DOFP start with the mutants and eventually kill everyone. The only reason the children of the vault haven't killed every human and mutant ever with not a single enhanced individual that could even come close to comparing with them is because the mutants managed to trick them and keep them contained. The Phalanx consumed humanity and all of their knowledge, thousands of years in the future. This fate was only prevented by a mutant being sent back to stop it, because there was nobody left. The Phalanx still retained the knowledge of humanity because they literally store data in a black hole, they are such powerful beings that they create entire species simply to gather more data for them, and then kill those species' off without a second thought. And yet mutants, in a future where they're allowed to live on, defeat them. Save the universe from AI that only wants knowledge, by consuming everything there ever was. Human level threats may destroy countries and conquer planets. But it's only once you get to Mutant level threats that you see all of humanity eradicated. Entire universes devoured, strip mined for information. And only the X-Men, only the mutants stand in the way TL;DR: None of what I said above really matters when the key point is that you just said "Who cares" to literal genocide of an entire species of sentient beings. I spent so long writing this because your comment hits a bit too close to home considering what mutants have always been an allegory for. Dogwhistles about how only the in group can create, can do good, and how the out group is just petty, destructive, pointless, while spewing false information, either ignorantly or intentionally.
Doom is actually right about Latviria being great. The UN in the comics named it the only utopia on the planet and Bast showed him a bunch of futures and the only one where humanity not on survived but became greater was the one where Doom ruled the earth.
I mean there was that time Nick Fury took all the cool avengers there in the mid 2000’s and destroyed the capital city and probably unintentionally killed hundreds at least while Doom was “dead” but Fury wiped everyone’s minds after so I guess it’s okay as long as Doom’s in charge lol
Fun fact: Once a year, Doctor Doom and Mr. Fantastic have a truce, Richards visits Doom In Latveria and they play some chess and have the closest thing to a heart to heart Doom could ever give and receive. Oh, and for those wondering, depending on the writer their score Is either a perfect 50/50 or on favor of Richards
90% sure that even if it's in favour of Richard, that's doom playing to his ego and making him think he's the better chess player, with Doom actually planning to utterly trounce him when the time is right.
I was really afraid you were going to walk back all that character development with a twist at the end, I'm glad we had a happy ending for once where nothing bad happened.
Apparently, "Doom" is actually a pretty common name in Latvia. I worked with someone named "Gangwar," which was also apparently a fairly common name in her native language that didn't mean anything like it means in English.
There's a What If? comic where Doom listens to Reed when he says the calculations have a couple of errors, and they work together to build the machine Doom was planning to use to find and release his mother's soul from Mephisto's realm. He's able to safely find her and return, but isn't able to free her. He remains friends with Reed but still travels the world to master various forms of magic (in this case to become capable of facing down Mephisto and getting out with his mother's soul instead of building power to go after Reed with). Eventually he returns to Latveria wearing a golden set of high-tech and enchanted armor and liberates his country. He sets up free elections (which he fairly wins, because he's deposed a corrupt government, built infrastructure, and turned Latveria into the Silicon Valley of Europe). Eventually he prepares a meticulous ritual and set of enchantments, ventures into Hell and frees his mother's soul. However, on the day of his wedding to his beloved Valeria, Mephisto is able to bind Valeria's soul. Mephisto offers a compromise: he will free Valeria's soul, if Doom will replace it with his own. Doom decides that the benefit he can bring to the world is more important than his beloved's freedom from damnation, and is thus cursed to live the rest of his life knowing he *could* have saved the love of his life, and *chose* not to do so. Like the main universe Doom, every year on the same day, he fights Mephisto for the soul of someone he loves, and every year, he fails.
"My entire family back 5 generations almost lived the exact same trauma, abuse and life. My parents did what their parents did to their parents did to their parents and so on. " - Hunchback of Notre-Dame
General rule of thumb when reading Victor Hugo: Almost all good parents are unavailable, dead, cannot save you from the stupid consequences of your actions, or will die too soon. All bad parents are immediately available and will frick you up.
@@sylviethetg7598 my mother who took care of me and my father broke the cycle unfortunately they didn't know at the time that they were using a bad parenting curriculum but they aren't bad in fact I love them but I had some dark years in my life and I still feel the effects to this day
In a 2021 comic, Doom was willing to establish a good relationship with the Fantastic Four. He was going to get married to his second in command, Victorious, who was incredibly loyal to him. Doom invited the F4, Namor, Black Panther, and even asked Reed to be his first man. Everything was dandy, until Johnny Storm, who was "engaged" to an alien girl (she made the engagement and Johnny was too stupid/coward to deny it), got laid with Victorious and thought she had fallen for him. The night before the wedding, Johnny in his infinite selfishness, tried to contact Victorious to run away with him, just because he thought she actually loved him, with no proof of it. She denies him, and tells him to please stop bothering her. In the day of the wedding, when the preacher says "you promise to be true to each other", Victorious crumbles and tells Doom that, while she loved him with all her heart, she must confess that she had a one night stand with the human torch. Doom is enraged by this and even Reed cannot believe how Johnny is so astoundingly imbecile, and Doom almost kills everyone. However, he decides to not kill anyone, and stops the wedding. But Johnny was not forgiven of course. He shoots him with a cosmic ray, that makes Johnny's powers go at maximum at all times. And with that, everyone leaves. While in the ship trying to think how to cure Johnny, Sue tells Reed that all this wedding was just a trap, but Reed knows the truth. The world was about to be safe from Doom menace , but Johnny ruined everything just by being an ass.
That comic is great, i love it how Namor just laughed when that happened. Now, back to the topic. Yeah this comic really showed how close Doom was of not being a villain anymore and Jonny ruined it
This is absolutely hilarious, but what makes that funny is this is basically 100% canon. What could have made this better is the fact that Doom could have also brought up that his dad scarified himself to prevent him from dying in the freezing cold by keeping him warm through night while his dad froze. I would also like to mention that that the reason that happened was that they were on the run from a baron who wanted to kill them.
@@twilighthunter6583 yeah, I immediately thought of it as soon as I saw the whole “relationship with your parents” part. Glad to see that I wasn’t the only one.
Jokes aside: it's never too late to go to therapy. Though sometimes, the therapist can be less helpful, sometimes, the therapist is the best person you will ever meet. Good luck and don't feel ashamed for looking for help.
You just have to keep trying until you find someone who's willing to help you and draw the proper boundaries. They're willing to get close but not be your friend.
What I love about this is that it could somewhat end up connecting with the Human Torch video. In this universe, Johnny kinda killed himself by trying to make himself cool with his powers of self-emolation, so Reed tried to see if the name Tremendous Three was still available. However, in this video, Reed has a 4 for his logo, so the other name probably wasn't available, but since him and Doctor Doom resolved their differences, they can actually be the Fantastic Four if Doom joins them. It's the perfect happy ending. Except for, you know, 1:42, but don't worry about that too much.
It's funny how most of these villain-hero rivalries could be solved if people in comics actually talked to each other like adults. Then again most of the world's problems could probably be solved that way lol
Seriously, most heroes are just a Tiny bit too punch happy to actually do much good in the long run. Like, yes, there are villains that just straight up can't be helped at this point, but like, that's 20% of the pot, the other 80 could be helped if you just sat down, talked with them like a normal human being, and put more money into making Arkham asylum actually fucking competent, Bruce!
Yeah there is literally zero reason anyone ever has to die in a war. The problem is, leaders can't resolve their problems without violence, because they're prideful neanderthals
Most comic book characters are weirdly childish. It's not too noticeable until an actually mature character rolls around in a comic and you notice how much of a kindergarten it all is
Wanna know something really creepy? This actually happened. The grand final confrontation between Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom was a scientific debate that ended with Reed finally realizing that Doom is not, and in fact never was, actually evil. He's just TOO smart to realize why other people can't see how good his plans are. When he confronted Doom with this, Doom realized that the one thing he truly lacked wasn't power or intelligence, but imagination. And he willingly gave up. He's kind of mellowed out a bit nowadays.
Doom is usually portrayed as evil but his intentions never are. The would genuinely would be better under the rule of Doom, but his ego and need to be superior to others usually causes him to be seen as evil. He also has a bit of a "habit" of taking things and not explaining what they're for or his intended purpose because "You simpletons would not understand the complexity" or "Doom's reasons are his own, do not question them."
This is the plot to "Infamous Iron Man" and it's awesome. It's basically about Victor realizing he's a shitarse and trying to make amends. Iron Man is dead so Victor picks up the mantle, modifying the suit slightly to look more like his own. He is then constantly harassed by literally everyone, as heroes don't trust such a longstanding villain, and villains don't trust him for trying to go straight.
Yeah Doom isn’t that bad as you would think like he has a massive ego. Also he technically made Latveria a great place after kicking out the former corrupt monarchy
and even when he succeeds conquering the world, he actually makes things better for everyone, from ending wars, to advancing technology to a point thought impossible by conventional means, i read this from a comic (that i don't remember the name of) about him doing so.
@@MrG-zn6gh Yeah it was something about how the Panther god that only talks to Black Panther (and Doom because he is worthy) said that the only future that has humans alive and prospering is the future that Doom becomes an immortal dictator. Very funny. Btw this has no source, I just remember this being in a video about him that I watched like 3 years ago.
Dr Doom is really a chill guy in the comics he just dies what he does because of some many plot threads and reasons. And he can be a great hero at times if ever given a chance
Funny thing that I heard a while back. Apparently, Doom was travelling to different universes and there is a universe where Victor and Reed got along and were actually friends and their lives were a whole lot better. But Doom was so offended by the idea of him and Reed getting along that Doom actually decided to wreak havoc across that entire universe and destroy it. Because he just hated Reed that much
"Enemies made friends! Reed and Doom beginning a new chapter of their lives!" Me: This is too wholesome, something's up- 1:42 Me: Ah, NOW it's a Solid jj video.
It's weirdly sweet to think Victor would go to the humungous trouble and frankly insanity of creating a freakin portal to HELL itself...just to see his mother again. (I'm guessing that wasn't his only reason for doing so though?)
@@navilluscire2567 IIRC the same machine was also supposed to be the start of a way to rescue his mother's soul from Hell as well, but it was still in the early stages before either a miscalculation and/or sabotage by a devil (maybe Mephisto himself) caused it to literally blow up in Victor's face as Reed tried to warn him. And thus began Doom's (true) descent into villainy. Doom eventually focuses on the same thing when he starts really learning magic, getting into some magical contract with a devil (again, maybe Mephisto himself) that allows him to once a year astrally fight for his mother's soul to free her from Hell at some cost that I currently forget. It's implied that Doom *did* eventually achieve his goal with magic where science had failed him, but that the same magic and the conditions of it make it impossible for him to remember his victory, making the whole thing rather bittersweet when he can't be entirely sure that he saved her at all.
Doctor Doom is legitimately my favorite marvel character He's just such a well fleshed out, tragic villain who can be good at times He has a somewhat moral compass and he's just a really fun character
He doesn't need it, he is literally the greatest man to ever live, once he managed to hit his peak and become a literal god he fixed the entire planet and then gave up his power because it was beneath him
Honestly Doom really was destined to become a villain. It really amazes me how both Reed and Doom have never really reconciled thier rivalry, as both thier differences really could be resolved easily if either knew what to say. The fact that Doom went out of way to become God and reshape the multiverse just to spite Reed just goes to show how much toxicity is in their relationship.
Well, the prophecy came true in the end. His mother was cursed by her interaction with demons and Victor was cursed as well when he was in her womb. His mom's soul was sent to hell forever, and Doom was "doomed" to be a sad bastard and spend his entire life at war with the world and with himself. A truly tragic and depressing character, and that makes him so amazing.
@@LA-ev8hg Absolutely, Doctor Doom is one of my top 5 favourite comic book villains: 1) Reverse-Flash 2) Doctor Doom 3) Bane 4) Lex Luthor 5) Joker Funny enough, I just now noticed how similar the premise of Doom's origin is to Bane's origin of also being a bastard child, with a tumultuous life even before birth as his father's revolutionary crimes cursed both his wife and Bane while still in her womb and his mother is imprisoned and also had to give birth to Bane in prison. Of course they are very different people, but I find it funny how they both are bastard son's that have cursed mother's with a horrifying and traumatic life, both holding an unfathomable hatred to their arch enemies. The only difference is that Doom was at least able to save his mother.
@General Gustave No way! Seriously? I know that Johnny can be a playboy most the time, but he literally slept with Dooms fiancé... Holy s***! Literally their archenemy. I need to read this, what issue did this happen.
Funny thing is that Doom isn't even all that evil. Incredibly misguided but not very evil. His vendetta against Reed aside, the evil lies more in his actions than his motivation. He just wants to turn the world into a utopia like he did Latveria but his method of doing so is a totalitarian dictatorship. Funny thing is that he actually ruled over what was left of the multiverse for a while when the multiverse was collapsing and he saved as much as he could by stealing the Beyonders' powers and making a new Battleworld, also known as Latverion (real original name there Doom). Coincidentally it was Reed (empowered by Molecule Man) who wound up defeating God Doom and restoring the multiverse
Basically, he has pretty noble goals (other than the "I GOTTA SHOW IM BETTER THAN RICHARDS!") And he's willing to do anything to accomplish them. He's one of the most efficient and cool marvel characters ever imo
> "Doom isn't even all that evil. [..] the evil lies more in his actions than his motivation." That's still evil though. If you look at the definitions of "evil" and ignore the ones about the supernatural, you have these: - "a manifestation of profound immorality and wickedness, especially in people's actions" - "something which is harmful or undesirable" Motivation doesn't really matter here. His goals can be of perfect harmony, but it is his actions and the incredible harm he causes people that make him evil.
Especially after everything he has been through, all the things he had to do, all the lives he had to take... It was actually a little nice to see him have some clarity and a little peace.
This is my favorite so far. It's incredible how you managed to create such an incredible piece of comedy and at the same time discuss such an important topic that is often overlooked which is mental health and that it's never too late to seek help and actually find a way to live a life you feel it's worth living. I've been struggling with depression for a few years now and now I'm finally getting my life together in a healthy and practical way. For real, thanks for this incredible video.
Dang, good for them. i hope this leads to a successful collaboration, maybe they can bond over something like music! I'm sure Doom has some bars he could rap!
On a real serious note, everything doom said was what really happened in his backstory. That’s pretty sad in my opinion especially since he felt guilty about his mom.
Funniest part is a couple thousand citizens is a smaller kill count than what it took to make Doom realize the error of his ways in the comics, that being the total destruction and reconstruction of the multiverse
Reed Richards: "And how was your relationship with your parents?" Doctor Doom: "Oh sure you're expecting some terrible stories Richards, but my mother was a wonderful woman... I mean she was a witch, though." Richards: "Well yea all mothers can be." I HOLLERED!!!
Remember how in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, Doctor Doom was actually working to stop the Skrulls? He even helped Iron Man and gave him a way to detect Skrulls.
It's funny because the narrative that I've always had from the comics is that Doom is literally the one person that can save the world, the universe, and multiverse. Doom is like, really top notch, like he could be right their besides the brick SH-house golden age hulk, thor and of course Non PIS Dr Strange. So yeah, Doom as Sorcerer Supreme is GREAT! I love how he has all his spells pre-recorded so he can just call them up and knock em out instantly and he doesn't even need hand gestures, he's that awesome.
@@cosmicmcmoon5773 Galactus is not really a villain, and more of a force of nature. And he needs to do what he does in order for the universe to function, much like Death and Eternity.
The thing is doom basically has the potential, will and intellect to do just about anything but goddamn did his background really mess him up to be the egotist he is today.
To be really honest he used tech and magic to peer into all possible futures seeing all the discrimination all the horrors of war and hate all the atrocities committed but among those futures there was one where all illnesses were cured everyone got their human needs hunger was no more everyone was educated and no one was discriminated against and there was world peace, just a full on utopian society, and in that future doom reigned supreme
I actually want this to happen. I wish comics werent as stagnate as they are and characters would be allowed to grow and change (permanently, not the im good/bad now for a week)
Latervia
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seriously, i'm not a comic nerd I have like 5 Spider-Man comics. It's just google
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I know but it doesn't even sound real it sounds like where a Disney villain would live
I found it adorable how Reed and Doom both relate about mother's being witches.
@Depp the government shat my pants
@@MisterOverpowered relatable
reed's mom is a witch?
Mothers are horrible horrible people
I made this 777 likes so mothers can also be gambling addicts.
Fun to think about how Doom did manage to save his mom. Of course, he was against Mephisto, so he needed Dr Strange's help, but they managed to save her, which is quite impressive.
That comic is amazing
The dynamic between Strange and Doom is something else
Honestly the lengths Doom goes to to accomplish his goals (whether they may be just or simply petty) is pretty impressive and unfathomable at the same time.
Definitely one of my top 5 favourite comic book villains.
And all Mephisto just needed two Apples
What series this was?
@@Artemas_16 Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom: Triumph and Torment
Fun fact: doom created latveria, he wanted to learn more magic so he traveled back in time to when the greatest sorcerers were in their prime to learn from them, and then instead of returning to the present he just waited it out and built latveria becoming the only ruler it has ever had.
Then when he was born his parents named him after their king, who was Victor's future self.
Victor's life and existence are a giant paradox.
So wait, what happens to Future Viktor as a leader in the comics? Does he sit in the back and show up right after Present Viktor goes back in time?
@@zepperman2679 it's more every encounter with Victor is future Victor while present Victor is off becoming the Victor everyone knows.
Once he built latveria he was It's only ruler, he even rules it via Astral projection when he gets sent to hell.
A couple of people have been portrayed as becoming new rulers but they always turn out to be working for Victor so in all reality he has never relinquished power.
Man.l.I used to think the fantastic 4 and dr doom we’re stupid.l.but this is Tight! Lol
@@yaboysix There’s a reason Fantastic Four is marketed as The World's Greatest Comic Magazine
@@gaxton4513 it used to be anyway, idk if today's stories are as good.
Fun story In regards to Dr. Doom's pettiness and awesomeness:
You know the kids of Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman? Franklin and Valeria?
When Sue was pregnant with her daughter, it was a comic book levels of risky pregnancy. Richards tried everything he could, but the only way he could do this would either kill at least one of them or be morally dubious at best.
When all hope was lost, Doom showed up, saved them both because he has no quarrels with dubious means, baptized Valeria after an ex-girlfriend of his and self appointed himself as her godfather.
Why did he do all this? Just as a power move to surpass Richards as a hero, husband and father.
Note: And he Is genuinely fond of Valeria.
Haha what a boss move
@@AW-sx8hm the ex-girlfriend in question died when Doom took her skin
@@TupocalypseShakur well that's a fucked up move. Mr Doom is all over the place.
@@TupocalypseShakur It was just a little trolling
Valeria is the only person in the multiverse Victor Von Doom will put his diabolical plans aside for, just so he can attend her tea party.
Fun fact: Doom's accident wasn't that bad, it was a small scar on his cheek. He put on his mask while it was still hot, which melted his nose
It's because Doctor Doom was very proud of himself and thought of any scar as a blemish on him? (But in Secret Wars, Doom's face was horribly scarred) (Maybe the hot mask caused the rest of the scars?)
I think it did a little more than melt his nose, it burned his face. It’s what happens when you put a still hit Metal Mask on your face. Honestly it’s a miracle all it did was burn his face and destroy his nose. His skin could have been fused to the mask.
That was a retcon of the original accident that was only canon for a few years. It has since reverted to the original "the accident ruined his face". They even added that Grimm caused the accident by intentionally sabotaging the machine.
Dr.Doom has no need for a nose only FOOLS need this so called """oxygen"""
The Secret Wars thing was just the reflection on how he sees himself. He was God Doom at the time. He could fix his face if he desired so. I'm pretty sure he could do it even without godly powers.
“It's unfair that he's considered a villain. He just wants to rule the world and maybe he could do a better job of it.” -Stan Lee on Dr Doom
He did eventually become a God... And felt it was beneath him.
He's a villain. Central planners are the greatest evil the world has ever known.
I'm sure better than a few of current presidents ^^
@@Kitkat-986 go up to a police officer and tell them “hey, I want to rule the world!” I’m fairly certain you won’t be arrested
@@noriyakigumble3011 Not sure how this connects to anything
A bit off topic but I bring this up whenever I can because it's fucking amazing, I love how there's a story in the comics where Reed Richards finds out that Sue Storm has an illness and he can't figure out how to cure it, so The Human Torch has to sheepishly go ask Doom to save her, and Doom's only condition is that he be able to name their child so that Reed will never forget that when his wife was about to die he couldn't do anything about it but Doom could.
Holy shit
had to look this up - valeria richards for anyone curious - and her little picture on her wiki is so funny who gave this baby sunglasses
And he named it Valeria, after his first love.
If I wanted to mess with Richards I would have named it Shitfuck so props to Doom for taking the classy route
@@DavidLopez-en6el so it seems that doom is a petty and malicious person yet is also an honorable man?
@@DavidLopez-en6el that comment fits very well with this channel for the Ash ketchum and Oak video.
I love how they begin discussing as friends, even they being mortal enemies
That's what happens when you've been enemies with someone for long enough.
@@GMKriv
They called each other enemies, but ended up acting like rivals to each other
Weren't they college room mates or something?
@@mauricioalvarezpino1818 Yes they were literally best friends in college and colleagues
that also happened in the comics over the years
In addition to when Doctor Doom saves Sue Storm, there was also an issue of X-Men where Kitty Pryde's phasing power had been corrupted and was killing her. The X-Men attempt to ask Reed Richards for help, but Reed claims he cannot do it due to a recent lack of confidence.
At which point Doctor Doom bursts through the door basically going "DID SOMEONE SAY REED CANT DO A THING".
Doom builds a machine to cure her which actually has a few flaws and the two end up teaming up to save her, Doom asking for a favor from the X-Men in return.
He later called the favor to enter the demon realm of Limbo (Kitty Pryde could open the way using Magik's sword) and do a bunch of crazy Doctor Doom magic stuff.
That was fun to know, thank you :P
Now I'm imagining Doctor Doom just hanging nearby Reed, waiting for his moment to show him up.
And people say Sakura Haruno is useless
Actually, fun fact, in the most recent X-Men/Fantastic 4 crossover limited series, a ton of the stuff you just mentioned got brought up. Kate Pryde and her Marauders, Franklin Richards, Doom, and a few other key X-Men and the fantastic four were main players, and it was an awesome read
@@sketchydude8431 nah the phrase "reed richards cant do it" summons victor from the realm of idk doctor doom
That was so wholesome! I’m glad they got to be friends at the end!! The most wholesome and peaceful endings to a show
Being friends with people is hard, because I outright refuse to be friends with ugly-looking people, or anyone who isn't beautiful-looking. There is no value in anyone like that.
@@jamesg6660 That's like some Pokemon villain tier shit. This is hillarious. Keep it up. Are you going to exterminate all of the ugliness out of the world to create a utopia for only perfect specimens of humanity?
Yeah, I was expecting some joke twist at the end, but no...today, friendship prevailed!
@@uberculex Not answering if you're just engaging in the idea to laugh at it.
@@jamesg6660 Hey! Where's Jessie and Meowth!?
Comic's Doom: Took an entire Multiversal achievement to finally discover and realize the errors of his way
Solid JJ's Doom: Simply have a talk to talk with Reed
The first one also ended with a simple talk with Reed tho
@@someghostinthewild More like Molecule Man was the middle man in this scenario.
Tim Story/World's Greatest Doom: The accidents that caused the F4 to get their powers and Doom's scars were made into the same incident and both their faults. Reed however took responsibility for his actions while Doom didn't.
@Ayaka Secret Wars 2015 by Jonathan Hickman
@Ayaka
Secret Wars, the 2015 version.
I love how Doom's appearance constantly goes back and forth between rather fearsome and detailed to funny puppet-like.
It 'twere a Doombot!
I think a lot of problems in fiction could have been solved with therapy.
And irl. More people need therapy.
Therapy for all!!!
white people believe anything can be fixed with therapy fr
If everybody in marvel always acted rational and calm and in there own self interest there would be no problems same for the real world.
I figured Bruce dressing up like a bat and punching crime & the mentally ill *was* his therapy.
Therepy is completely retarded, Psychology is bad.
They can do a show together, call it "R&D"
Where they manage together a research and development group for hire by different companies and have cameos and gags with other heroes and villains needing their help with mundane yet bizarre tasks.
".... and you want to fit another hundred Batarangs© in one pouch?"
Very nice, R&D is fun
@@TheGreyKami wrong universe
A workplace comedy-style show in like Shield R&D or something could actually be pretty good, even as a limited series
@@mrslipnslide251
They were actually doing to do something like that for Damage Control in the MCU.
To be fair, Doom really did turn Latveria around and made it a wonderful place to live. And it's been consistently portrayed that Doom taking over the world not only would create a utopia, it would also be the only timeline where humanity actually survives the future.
Well you're correct that his ruling is the only way for humanity to survive, but that's because he just wants to massacre/enslave all the mutants. We know from so many different accounts at this point that left uninhibited, Krakoa is gonna be one of the most powerful forces in the universe. Technically, one of the quiet council members has made it so he literally cannot lose.
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 So, what's the problem then? I'd much rather choose humanity over mutantkind. Humans create civilization, wonders of the world, tame the nature, all with just technology.
Mutants have literal superpowers, and just use them on fighting one another and having high school drama. Not like you even need mutants to defend the Earth, since there's plenty of human superheroes that get the job done.
@@DifferentRussian Man. You're racist. Mutants are people too.
@@rebertassis1036 well, they're consistently shitty people then.
@@DifferentRussian Wait sorry I just saw this but this is absolutely hilarious you're literally using the same talking points as like every X-Men villain ever. And half aren't even true.
If you wanna know why all your points are wrong in universe, read the entire comment. But the TLDR explains pretty briefly why advocating for killing an entire species might not be the best thing
First let's address the claim that mutants just use their powers to fight each other and have high school drama. This has been completely debunked by the entire Krakoan age, but more specifically, a single, mid length comic book that released a month ago, titled "Immortal X-Men #10." Xavier specifically calls out people who seem to think that the X-Men fighting other mutants is the system working in an unintended fashion. He explains that the X-Men are pretty much exclusively there because there occasionally are mutant threats that, if left unchecked, would destroy the world.
However, despite this fact, you seem to be disregarding the 16 million mutants that previously lived happily in a country of their own with pretty much no civil unrest, and the 200 thousand that currently live on a country of their own after the other 15.5 million were massacred by mutants. Mutants create civilizations. Mutants create technology more advanced than all but the smartest humans could even compare to. Mutants created the technology to bring anyone back from the dead, and have started a functioning society based around that. Mutants tamed the one force of nature humans thought immutable. Mutants are the future.
For the claim that human superheroes are enough to get the job done: We've seen that pretty much any threat that the X-Men lose to ends up defeating the entire combined mass of all the earth's enhanced. The Sentinels in DOFP start with the mutants and eventually kill everyone. The only reason the children of the vault haven't killed every human and mutant ever with not a single enhanced individual that could even come close to comparing with them is because the mutants managed to trick them and keep them contained.
The Phalanx consumed humanity and all of their knowledge, thousands of years in the future. This fate was only prevented by a mutant being sent back to stop it, because there was nobody left. The Phalanx still retained the knowledge of humanity because they literally store data in a black hole, they are such powerful beings that they create entire species simply to gather more data for them, and then kill those species' off without a second thought. And yet mutants, in a future where they're allowed to live on, defeat them. Save the universe from AI that only wants knowledge, by consuming everything there ever was.
Human level threats may destroy countries and conquer planets. But it's only once you get to Mutant level threats that you see all of humanity eradicated. Entire universes devoured, strip mined for information. And only the X-Men, only the mutants stand in the way
TL;DR: None of what I said above really matters when the key point is that you just said "Who cares" to literal genocide of an entire species of sentient beings. I spent so long writing this because your comment hits a bit too close to home considering what mutants have always been an allegory for. Dogwhistles about how only the in group can create, can do good, and how the out group is just petty, destructive, pointless, while spewing false information, either ignorantly or intentionally.
Doom is actually right about Latviria being great. The UN in the comics named it the only utopia on the planet and Bast showed him a bunch of futures and the only one where humanity not on survived but became greater was the one where Doom ruled the earth.
I mean there was that time Nick Fury took all the cool avengers there in the mid 2000’s and destroyed the capital city and probably unintentionally killed hundreds at least while Doom was “dead” but Fury wiped everyone’s minds after so I guess it’s okay as long as Doom’s in charge lol
Not to mention the Wakandan Panther God supports him. Unless the gods name is Bast. IDK God names
@@EeniThesian66 Bast is Black Panther’s god. You were on the money.
@@Lancersilva so does that doctor doom go back to being a good guy in that future?
@@Aceshot-uu7yx No because "status quo is king" always puts him back to being a villain at some point.
Fun fact: Once a year, Doctor Doom and Mr. Fantastic have a truce, Richards visits Doom In Latveria and they play some chess and have the closest thing to a heart to heart Doom could ever give and receive.
Oh, and for those wondering, depending on the writer their score Is either a perfect 50/50 or on favor of Richards
90% sure that even if it's in favour of Richard, that's doom playing to his ego and making him think he's the better chess player, with Doom actually planning to utterly trounce him when the time is right.
I mean canonically, doom is slightly smarter than richards tho
So their relationship is like the one between Professor X and Magneto?
@@garoufan4101 Only difference Is that not only Doom hates Richards with a passion but, given the chance, Doom would kill Richards.
@@mqfii8992 Alright,I understand
The most unbelievable part of this is that Reed Richards would have this much emotional intelligence
I was really afraid you were going to walk back all that character development with a twist at the end, I'm glad we had a happy ending for once where nothing bad happened.
yeah... nothing bad at all...
A lot of innocent people would dislike this comment.........if they were still ALIVE
@@neckray But they aren't so no one's complaining 😌
@@neckray if they were still among us
no one got hurt in the end
atleast people we care about didn't ,
so its a win
Apparently, "Doom" is actually a pretty common name in Latvia. I worked with someone named "Gangwar," which was also apparently a fairly common name in her native language that didn't mean anything like it means in English.
Nice!
oof
Lmao! What did it actually mean?
bruh gangwar as a name sounds badass lmao
thats nothing bro, i met a dude named 'gangbang' in gambela
There's a What If? comic where Doom listens to Reed when he says the calculations have a couple of errors, and they work together to build the machine Doom was planning to use to find and release his mother's soul from Mephisto's realm. He's able to safely find her and return, but isn't able to free her. He remains friends with Reed but still travels the world to master various forms of magic (in this case to become capable of facing down Mephisto and getting out with his mother's soul instead of building power to go after Reed with). Eventually he returns to Latveria wearing a golden set of high-tech and enchanted armor and liberates his country. He sets up free elections (which he fairly wins, because he's deposed a corrupt government, built infrastructure, and turned Latveria into the Silicon Valley of Europe).
Eventually he prepares a meticulous ritual and set of enchantments, ventures into Hell and frees his mother's soul. However, on the day of his wedding to his beloved Valeria, Mephisto is able to bind Valeria's soul. Mephisto offers a compromise: he will free Valeria's soul, if Doom will replace it with his own. Doom decides that the benefit he can bring to the world is more important than his beloved's freedom from damnation, and is thus cursed to live the rest of his life knowing he *could* have saved the love of his life, and *chose* not to do so. Like the main universe Doom, every year on the same day, he fights Mephisto for the soul of someone he loves, and every year, he fails.
Aww, that's so beautiful and sad😢
"Of course! blame it on anyone but yourself.... YOU MADE ME THIS WAY RICHARDS" is just a great line
Agreed 😂😂✨
"My entire family back 5 generations almost lived the exact same trauma, abuse and life. My parents did what their parents did to their parents did to their parents and so on.
" - Hunchback of Notre-Dame
General rule of thumb when reading Victor Hugo: Almost all good parents are unavailable, dead, cannot save you from the stupid consequences of your actions, or will die too soon. All bad parents are immediately available and will frick you up.
@@RandomPerson13
You can break from the cycle but it's difficult. That or just don't have kids so they won't be abused unknowingly by you
dude i see you everywhere
@@sylviethetg7598 my mother who took care of me and my father broke the cycle unfortunately they didn't know at the time that they were using a bad parenting curriculum but they aren't bad in fact I love them but I had some dark years in my life and I still feel the effects to this day
An average Eastern European family
In a 2021 comic, Doom was willing to establish a good relationship with the Fantastic Four. He was going to get married to his second in command, Victorious, who was incredibly loyal to him. Doom invited the F4, Namor, Black Panther, and even asked Reed to be his first man.
Everything was dandy, until Johnny Storm, who was "engaged" to an alien girl (she made the engagement and Johnny was too stupid/coward to deny it), got laid with Victorious and thought she had fallen for him. The night before the wedding, Johnny in his infinite selfishness, tried to contact Victorious to run away with him, just because he thought she actually loved him, with no proof of it. She denies him, and tells him to please stop bothering her.
In the day of the wedding, when the preacher says "you promise to be true to each other", Victorious crumbles and tells Doom that, while she loved him with all her heart, she must confess that she had a one night stand with the human torch. Doom is enraged by this and even Reed cannot believe how Johnny is so astoundingly imbecile, and Doom almost kills everyone. However, he decides to not kill anyone, and stops the wedding. But Johnny was not forgiven of course. He shoots him with a cosmic ray, that makes Johnny's powers go at maximum at all times. And with that, everyone leaves.
While in the ship trying to think how to cure Johnny, Sue tells Reed that all this wedding was just a trap, but Reed knows the truth. The world was about to be safe from Doom menace , but Johnny ruined everything just by being an ass.
That comic is great, i love it how Namor just laughed when that happened.
Now, back to the topic. Yeah this comic really showed how close Doom was of not being a villain anymore and Jonny ruined it
Fucking Johnny, guys can you think of a name for a superhero trio?
@@whoiskizuki. The Transmundane Three
@@whoiskizuki. You know if we act fast. I think the copyright for the tremendous three is still avaliable.
After hearing this I have lost a lot of respect for the human torch.
This is absolutely hilarious, but what makes that funny is this is basically 100% canon. What could have made this better is the fact that Doom could have also brought up that his dad scarified himself to prevent him from dying in the freezing cold by keeping him warm through night while his dad froze. I would also like to mention that that the reason that happened was that they were on the run from a baron who wanted to kill them.
I was gonna say the same thing. As a major dr doom fan I particularly enjoyed this
@@twilighthunter6583 yeah, I immediately thought of it as soon as I saw the whole “relationship with your parents” part. Glad to see that I wasn’t the only one.
The baron was hunting them because his father couldn't save the barons wife from disease
Jokes aside: it's never too late to go to therapy. Though sometimes, the therapist can be less helpful, sometimes, the therapist is the best person you will ever meet. Good luck and don't feel ashamed for looking for help.
Problem is, the pervasive amount of quacks and profiteers in that "profession" make it an unviable solution
reminder: *always* do background checks on your therapists
You just have to keep trying until you find someone who's willing to help you and draw the proper boundaries. They're willing to get close but not be your friend.
Wß
Yes, the need for continuing easy villains has caused comics to demonize mental health issues in an unhealthy degree.
What I love about this is that it could somewhat end up connecting with the Human Torch video. In this universe, Johnny kinda killed himself by trying to make himself cool with his powers of self-emolation, so Reed tried to see if the name Tremendous Three was still available. However, in this video, Reed has a 4 for his logo, so the other name probably wasn't available, but since him and Doctor Doom resolved their differences, they can actually be the Fantastic Four if Doom joins them. It's the perfect happy ending.
Except for, you know, 1:42, but don't worry about that too much.
It's funny how most of these villain-hero rivalries could be solved if people in comics actually talked to each other like adults. Then again most of the world's problems could probably be solved that way lol
Seriously, most heroes are just a Tiny bit too punch happy to actually do much good in the long run. Like, yes, there are villains that just straight up can't be helped at this point, but like, that's 20% of the pot, the other 80 could be helped if you just sat down, talked with them like a normal human being, and put more money into making Arkham asylum actually fucking competent, Bruce!
Yeah there is literally zero reason anyone ever has to die in a war. The problem is, leaders can't resolve their problems without violence, because they're prideful neanderthals
@@borderlinecrazy6444 But I don't want to talk it out! I want to turn people into dinosaurs!
And then there’s the CW’s Flash
Most comic book characters are weirdly childish. It's not too noticeable until an actually mature character rolls around in a comic and you notice how much of a kindergarten it all is
Wanna know something really creepy?
This actually happened.
The grand final confrontation between Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom was a scientific debate that ended with Reed finally realizing that Doom is not, and in fact never was, actually evil. He's just TOO smart to realize why other people can't see how good his plans are. When he confronted Doom with this, Doom realized that the one thing he truly lacked wasn't power or intelligence, but imagination.
And he willingly gave up.
He's kind of mellowed out a bit nowadays.
What comic should I read for this?
I would love to see this arc explained in detail in a series.
@@BW-CZ Secret Wars
@@TupocalypseShakur the 2015 one
basically he has autism
Doom is usually portrayed as evil but his intentions never are. The would genuinely would be better under the rule of Doom, but his ego and need to be superior to others usually causes him to be seen as evil. He also has a bit of a "habit" of taking things and not explaining what they're for or his intended purpose because "You simpletons would not understand the complexity" or "Doom's reasons are his own, do not question them."
Is it really ego when you're stating facts?
This is the plot to "Infamous Iron Man" and it's awesome. It's basically about Victor realizing he's a shitarse and trying to make amends. Iron Man is dead so Victor picks up the mantle, modifying the suit slightly to look more like his own. He is then constantly harassed by literally everyone, as heroes don't trust such a longstanding villain, and villains don't trust him for trying to go straight.
Yeah Doom isn’t that bad as you would think like he has a massive ego. Also he technically made Latveria a great place after kicking out the former corrupt monarchy
and even when he succeeds conquering the world, he actually makes things better for everyone, from ending wars, to advancing technology to a point thought impossible by conventional means, i read this from a comic (that i don't remember the name of) about him doing so.
@@MrG-zn6gh Yeah it was something about how the Panther god that only talks to Black Panther (and Doom because he is worthy) said that the only future that has humans alive and prospering is the future that Doom becomes an immortal dictator. Very funny. Btw this has no source, I just remember this being in a video about him that I watched like 3 years ago.
@@kordell8199
So... Victor von Doom is basically The Emperor from Warhammer 40k?
@@davisdf3064 You mean the God Emperor of Mankind you filthy heretic.
@@davisdf3064 Yes, But i think doom is actully right, And the emperor is just insane
1:27 I was expecting a "Y'know, I'm something of a scientist myself," line.
The voice acting is on point 👌
True ig
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"Alot of this could've been avoided with therapy..."
_Every single hero and villain in history_
Not sure what a therapist could do about the haunting ghost mom.
That’s where the exorcist comes in
The Sopranos is a show about a guy who turns more and more villainous, partly due to professional therapy. It's pretty interesting
The fact that the voice acting and sound quality actually suits the old cartoons makes this 100x better
Except for the music at the end
When did i cry?
Dr Doom is really a chill guy in the comics he just dies what he does because of some many plot threads and reasons. And he can be a great hero at times if ever given a chance
the whole thing with Future Foundation.
too bad they went and did a full 30-years reset a few months ago. way to fuck up the whole decade of work.
He just dies what he does.
He killed the only woman that ever loved him for a new armor made out of her flayed skin though...
@@Headpool98 yikes
@@Headpool98 Well you gotta do what you gotta do for cool gear
I love how this, down with them forgetting about the bombs, could easily be canon with how Reed Richards causes things to happen
Smartest man and dumbest man at the same time
Funny thing that I heard a while back. Apparently, Doom was travelling to different universes and there is a universe where Victor and Reed got along and were actually friends and their lives were a whole lot better. But Doom was so offended by the idea of him and Reed getting along that Doom actually decided to wreak havoc across that entire universe and destroy it. Because he just hated Reed that much
"But it's too late for that now..."
"Victor, it's never too late-"
"No, I mean it's literally too lat-**BOOOOOOM**
"Enemies made friends! Reed and Doom beginning a new chapter of their lives!"
Me: This is too wholesome, something's up-
1:42
Me: Ah, NOW it's a Solid jj video.
meanwhile thousands of people die because of the bombs that doom previously planted.
“Oh of course, blame it on anybody but yourself - you made me this way Richards!” is comedy gold
Fun Fact: In the comics, the accident that scarred Doom's face was him attempting to create a portal to Hell to visit his mother.
And Reed was trying to warn him the experiment wouldn't work but he did it anyway. So it really isn't Reed's fault
It's weirdly sweet to think Victor would go to the humungous trouble and frankly insanity of creating a freakin portal to HELL itself...just to see his mother again. (I'm guessing that wasn't his only reason for doing so though?)
@@navilluscire2567 IIRC the same machine was also supposed to be the start of a way to rescue his mother's soul from Hell as well, but it was still in the early stages before either a miscalculation and/or sabotage by a devil (maybe Mephisto himself) caused it to literally blow up in Victor's face as Reed tried to warn him. And thus began Doom's (true) descent into villainy.
Doom eventually focuses on the same thing when he starts really learning magic, getting into some magical contract with a devil (again, maybe Mephisto himself) that allows him to once a year astrally fight for his mother's soul to free her from Hell at some cost that I currently forget. It's implied that Doom *did* eventually achieve his goal with magic where science had failed him, but that the same magic and the conditions of it make it impossible for him to remember his victory, making the whole thing rather bittersweet when he can't be entirely sure that he saved her at all.
With one "explosive" exception, that was a very wholesome ending, nice.
At least it went out with a bang.
Doctor Doom is legitimately my favorite marvel character
He's just such a well fleshed out, tragic villain who can be good at times
He has a somewhat moral compass and he's just a really fun character
Von Doom going to therapy to sort out his life problems is now officially canon and no one can tell me otherwise
Otherwise
He doesn't need it, he is literally the greatest man to ever live, once he managed to hit his peak and become a literal god he fixed the entire planet and then gave up his power because it was beneath him
when he did that thing with the future foundation he was somewat working trought it
I could but I’d be wrong
But which Marvel character would be his therapist?
I think it’s funny how in the comics he’s developed a fondness for the Richard’s daughter Valeria and treats her like she’s his niece.
It is nice, but you gotta remember it's half out of spiting Reed, since Sue could have died in childbirth and she turned to him to save her.
Honestly Doom really was destined to become a villain. It really amazes me how both Reed and Doom have never really reconciled thier rivalry, as both thier differences really could be resolved easily if either knew what to say. The fact that Doom went out of way to become God and reshape the multiverse just to spite Reed just goes to show how much toxicity is in their relationship.
Well, the prophecy came true in the end. His mother was cursed by her interaction with demons and Victor was cursed as well when he was in her womb. His mom's soul was sent to hell forever, and Doom was "doomed" to be a sad bastard and spend his entire life at war with the world and with himself.
A truly tragic and depressing character, and that makes him so amazing.
@@LA-ev8hg Absolutely, Doctor Doom is one of my top 5 favourite comic book villains:
1) Reverse-Flash
2) Doctor Doom
3) Bane
4) Lex Luthor
5) Joker
Funny enough, I just now noticed how similar the premise of Doom's origin is to Bane's origin of also being a bastard child, with a tumultuous life even before birth as his father's revolutionary crimes cursed both his wife and Bane while still in her womb and his mother is imprisoned and also had to give birth to Bane in prison. Of course they are very different people, but I find it funny how they both are bastard son's that have cursed mother's with a horrifying and traumatic life, both holding an unfathomable hatred to their arch enemies. The only difference is that Doom was at least able to save his mother.
@General Gustave No way! Seriously? I know that Johnny can be a playboy most the time, but he literally slept with Dooms fiancé... Holy s***! Literally their archenemy.
I need to read this, what issue did this happen.
@General Gustave whAt lmfao
@General Gustave this is not true, it was actually doom who fucked sue posing as reeds using magic
Funny thing is that Doom isn't even all that evil. Incredibly misguided but not very evil. His vendetta against Reed aside, the evil lies more in his actions than his motivation. He just wants to turn the world into a utopia like he did Latveria but his method of doing so is a totalitarian dictatorship. Funny thing is that he actually ruled over what was left of the multiverse for a while when the multiverse was collapsing and he saved as much as he could by stealing the Beyonders' powers and making a new Battleworld, also known as Latverion (real original name there Doom). Coincidentally it was Reed (empowered by Molecule Man) who wound up defeating God Doom and restoring the multiverse
Basically, he has pretty noble goals (other than the "I GOTTA SHOW IM BETTER THAN RICHARDS!") And he's willing to do anything to accomplish them.
He's one of the most efficient and cool marvel characters ever imo
> "Doom isn't even all that evil. [..] the evil lies more in his actions than his motivation."
That's still evil though. If you look at the definitions of "evil" and ignore the ones about the supernatural, you have these:
- "a manifestation of profound immorality and wickedness, especially in people's actions"
- "something which is harmful or undesirable"
Motivation doesn't really matter here. His goals can be of perfect harmony, but it is his actions and the incredible harm he causes people that make him evil.
I love how in these skits characters are written a lot better than actual movie superheroes and villains.
This was so heartwarming 😇 glad to see Doctor Doom warming other people’s hearts too👍
And the rest of their flesh and bones but mostly their hearts
Those hearts got roasted actually...
Especially after everything he has been through, all the things he had to do, all the lives he had to take... It was actually a little nice to see him have some clarity and a little peace.
1:17 MCU Phase 4 in a nutshell
Exactly
I hope to see this scene between RDJ as Doctor doom and Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards in Avengers Doomsday
And so, Docter Doom gave up his evil ways, turned a new leaf, and started his new underground rap career under the name "MF DOOM"
LMAOOOO
Doom talking in an echo chamber is so accurate and i loved how they both agreed on mothers being witches lol.
Song at the end was "Quite Contrary" by Syd Dale for anyone else like me who just had to know.
The fact that you made me forget about the bombs until you brought it up at the end was genius
This is my favorite so far. It's incredible how you managed to create such an incredible piece of comedy and at the same time discuss such an important topic that is often overlooked which is mental health and that it's never too late to seek help and actually find a way to live a life you feel it's worth living.
I've been struggling with depression for a few years now and now I'm finally getting my life together in a healthy and practical way.
For real, thanks for this incredible video.
The ending goes perfectly with the phrase "the best way to defeat your enemy, is to make them your friend"- Wu Garmadon
Wow you really nailed the actual comic book origin of Doctor Doom perfectly
Dang, good for them. i hope this leads to a successful collaboration, maybe they can bond over something like music! I'm sure Doom has some bars he could rap!
you’re weird.
On a real serious note, everything doom said was what really happened in his backstory. That’s pretty sad in my opinion especially since he felt guilty about his mom.
I gotta say, this is funny stuff as always Solid jj
Funniest part is a couple thousand citizens is a smaller kill count than what it took to make Doom realize the error of his ways in the comics, that being the total destruction and reconstruction of the multiverse
"This could have been avoided with therapy"
Yep, that sums up a lot of superhero stories. Looking at you Batman!!!
Ah yes, my favorite Solid jj trope: The Villain slowly realizing the errors of their ways (sometimes with a slightly insane hero ex. Mario and Popeye)
0:53 they all say that…at first.
Doom goes to therapy.
Bad Ending: BetterHelp was who he turned to therapy for.
what a good ending happy (deathly) ending :)
Nice to see the power of friendship saving yet another day.
mostly
Doom destroyed an entire universe because that universes version of him didn’t hate Reed so imma just imagine this is how that universe went down.
I find this format funnier than it should be:
"enough of this ____, where are the bombs?"
"Something something the city will fall."
"Damn you >:("
0:42 yeah yeah latervia is a wonderful place 💀
And man this deserves a billion views its too good 😆👍
I don't know why, but when I first read the title I thought it said
"Doctor Doom's Internship"
Reed Richards: "And how was your relationship with your parents?"
Doctor Doom: "Oh sure you're expecting some terrible stories Richards, but my mother was a wonderful woman... I mean she was a witch, though."
Richards: "Well yea all mothers can be."
I HOLLERED!!!
this and especially the injection of "ain't that the truth" and an interrupted laugh
Remember how in Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, Doctor Doom was actually working to stop the Skrulls? He even helped Iron Man and gave him a way to detect Skrulls.
I mean I got so caught up in the conversation that even I forgot about the bombs.
This video was a certified *Solid,* JJ.
It was a normal video until Doom turned into freakin Eminem
I was like, "Well, that's nice, but what about the bombs? Oh, wait, there it is."
Russia trying to argue with literally everyone: 0:32
It's funny because the narrative that I've always had from the comics is that Doom is literally the one person that can save the world, the universe, and multiverse. Doom is like, really top notch, like he could be right their besides the brick SH-house golden age hulk, thor and of course Non PIS Dr Strange. So yeah, Doom as Sorcerer Supreme is GREAT! I love how he has all his spells pre-recorded so he can just call them up and knock em out instantly and he doesn't even need hand gestures, he's that awesome.
It's sort of Doom's theme: He has the intellect to be a great hero, but he can't get past his many crippling psychological flaws.
We need a MF DOOM type beat playing in the background
As a wise man once said: "The best way to destroy your enemy, is to make them your friend."
This was actually a beautiful way to end a conflict. I liked that they just went out and had a drink. I like that very much
U just wrote the finale of the Fantastic four vs Doom rivalry (not that it will ever end)...and it was beautiful..
Very creative as always jj🔥
I never realized how weird dr doom/his mask is
I actually felt that! That's really warm and heartfelt! Thanks, SolidJJ! yu da men!!!!
Oooooh man. These hyper realistic yet inhumanly awkward alternate comic scenarios really are something
1:01 same hear bro
Mums ammirite
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MR DOOM (All caps when spelling the villain name)
Damn almost all villains could be solved with therapy and friendship
Except maybe Thanos and Darkseid. Oh and Galactus
@Ayaka Oh yea like Apocalypse who has a literal God complex and the powers to justify his mentality
@@cosmicmcmoon5773 Galactus is not really a villain, and more of a force of nature. And he needs to do what he does in order for the universe to function, much like Death and Eternity.
@@Yabuturtle Hence why therapy & friendship wouldn't be a viable solution for dealing with him lol
I said almost
The thing is doom basically has the potential, will and intellect to do just about anything but goddamn did his background really mess him up to be the egotist he is today.
It's more like he wants to stick to Reed Richards, it doesn't matter if he's in second place as long as he is above Richards
To be really honest he used tech and magic to peer into all possible futures seeing all the discrimination all the horrors of war and hate all the atrocities committed but among those futures there was one where all illnesses were cured everyone got their human needs hunger was no more everyone was educated and no one was discriminated against and there was world peace, just a full on utopian society, and in that future doom reigned supreme
“And how was your relationship with your parents?”
“Don’t talk about my moms, yo.”
Reed Richards finally using the whole "smartest man in the universe" trait to simply talk a villain out of being a villain is peak
MF DOOM going crazy
I mean, look at it, Victor Von Doom is the fucking best villain name ever.
I actually want this to happen. I wish comics werent as stagnate as they are and characters would be allowed to grow and change (permanently, not the im good/bad now for a week)