Chuck Schuldiner betrayed Death metal worse than Chris Barnes did
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2023
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“You either die as Dissection or live long enough to become In Flames” -unknown
I believe in Jon Nödtveidt.
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@@teddestiny554 Only Nodtveidt is real . . .
Dissections last album was pretty mainstream
or enslaved
I think context matters with a band changing their sound. In the case of Metallica its obviously selling out because they were deliberately softening/simplifying their sound and riding the 'heavy alternative' trend in the 90s and early 00s to sell more records. Bands like Death and Gorguts changed their sounds because they were progressing as musicians and wanted to make original music that pushed the boundaries of the genre, there's nothing trendy or commercial about them.
Tbh maaaaaaaaaybeeeeeeeee you could make a point for Death trying to fit into this category, since their sound became slightly more melodic (Though I still can't imagine an alt metal fan listening to something like Human) but ain't no fucking way Gorguts changed their sound to be more commercial, I don't even like Obscura that much but it's just way too chaotic for a casual metal fan who mostly listens to midtallica to enjoy
Later death is way more accessible than the earlier material. Chuck actively abandoned death metal in all aspects, but most noticeably in his music and lyrics on anything after leprosy. His songwriting also got progressively worse the more he strayed away from death metal.
The reality is if Death weren't one of the first bands in the genre, they would be complete also rans.
Metallica is still awesome 😎
@@SulfuricCauteryWill Ramos is awesome too he’s able to do those vocals in lorna and he has asthma.
@@Makaveli934 Thanks for saying that a lot of people don’t know those details. Will is a dedicated person it’s one of the reasons I love Lorna shore his passion for the music 🎶
Chuck said him self multiple times his later albums weren’t death metal
He did and yet people still bitch about those albums being progy.
@@macabre19 theyre just shit albums
@@macabre19 exactly, I like death because of their compositions not because they fit into a category
@@diabolivirtusen-tavares-ea4645 finaly someone that gets it
@@diabolivirtusen-tavares-ea4645Yeah me too
17:29 Dawg licked his lips after talkin' bout suckin' one 😂😂
hahahahahahahaha
The damn BJ-Dawg should be on the Hub goddamnit
He was a little hungry 🤤 😂
He has been flying the rainbow flag recently, doing a collaboration with Melanie, aka Manly Loves Mainstream. He also spent almost a whole video reading the $10 gay boy story.
that youtuber has seriously the most unattractive and unlikable festering persona for a youtuber that I've seen. though to be fair I don't watch much youtuber stuff and perhaps many are like that so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a commonality.
it just reeks of the whole invert-and-subvert-traditional-standards-of-beauty-and-Western-culture fad that has been going on in the feminist and simp milieus for the past 10 years. the whole "body positivity", shaved head or blue hair with 3 septum rings, buddhist monk 30cm droopy ear gauge, huwites with dreadlocks, all of that kind of thing. @@paulhetrick1759
Spirtual healing does not have the gay logo brah brah. Another out of the loop geezer.
CHUCK WAS A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER!!!!
Chuck tried to kill off Death and do Control Denied, Nuke Blast supposedly agreed to release Control Denied if Chuck did another Death album.
That was the word back then.
That's exactly the case.
It’s the truth sound of perseverance has songs that were made for control denied
There are demo versions of the songs floating around in UA-cam where they have clean vocals.
I'm glad that Death "betrayed " death metal and put out masterpieces like Human and Symbolic,albums that bands like CC which never betrayed death metal will never ever be able to make
Lmao dem vid titles that get ppl clickin 🖱💥
@@icankillbugswrong.
@@icankillbugs But the Sound of Perseverance is way better than both human and Symbolic. Great album.
Can't picture Human being a portrayal of death metal
Horval is talking garbage, needs to be ignored. If people stayed in narrow genre boundaries with no creativity or risks taken then music would just be stagnant.
You would not even have metal in the first place.
It only exists at all because some musicians in the 1960s decided they were not going to be blues and rockabilly purists.
When is the split between HHR cats and NWN cats ?
I saw Death on the Spiritual Healing gig I think at Milwaukee Metal fest and got to speak to him at a merch table and was really underwhelmed at him telling me he didn't even like singing Death Metal he wanted to do Power Metal. Shit man that was during one of the best DM albums ever. I left very confused.
no man, that´s the point, that album doesn´t have anything to do with death metal, everything after spiritual healing is just a progressive power metal try
@@danielpineda58spiritual healing and symbolic are the albums that i worship
What the fuck, Chuck? 🤨 Dude literally invented "a" style of singing Death Metal and he didn't like doing it? Then why do it for several albums?
@@JelloFluoride when you don't have talent to sing the way you want you have to stick the your possibilities
If you dont believe him go relisten to symbolic. Crystal moutain is literally a power/speed metal song with harsh vocals.
As a Chuck Schuldiner fanboy I am here to cry about your opinion sir.
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Make sure you leave a nasty comment on a daily basis. Then insist that you're not butthurt over what the Dawg said.
@@Voorhees_Metal_Productions Justin is butthurt about the Cannibore Core comments.
@@Voorhees_Metal_Productions that sounds like the perfect revenge plan. THANKS!
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@@KaaiHawaiianDeathMetal that does usually help
I love how she rolls her eyes before you put her down. The cattitude.
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Bruh jdawg is the douchiest tryhard of all time wym lol
What’s your thoughts on Nocturnus - The Key album
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17:09 that was amazing!!!!!!
Your love for metal brings a tear to my eye!
Hell yeah! I grabbed one of those Carcass boots as well.
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I agree about CC but to answer your question who have been around that long and has not sold out... Suffocation. I know they put out their demos, EPs after CC, but they really started as a band around the same time. Yeah Suffocation took a break, but they came back just as brutal as ever.
17:11 dawg looked like he was catchin somethin nasty
Catchin that Glen Benton gunk
Hard to call something done with talent a “betrayal.” Barnes just outright sucks at making music. I don’t think anyone betrayed. One is just talented and the other is just shit. It’s that simple brah brah
Betrayal is betrayal, talent or not, but later Death is anything but talented, Chuck became deceased from AIDS.
Tell that to metal blade records he s been on their label almost 30 years.
CB does the lyrics , the others do the music.
Some musicians do something so great that they get a pass in my book for any supposed down-grade. Trey Azagthoth gets a pass, I don't give a damn if he puts out 10 techno albums. James Hetfield gets a pass even when he sings country ballads. Lemmy gets a pass even doing Christmas songs or some such. Chuck Schuldiner gets a pass even though he hired great musicians to elevate himself and he got way too melodic.
I almost forgot: Chris Barnes also gets a pass.
David Vincent?
17:10 the dawg briefly gets possessed by the spirit of a canoe
I can't knock Chuck for having creative hunger and musical progression. He'd likely be a prog lord if still around, casting a massive metal shade on Dream Theater.
Prog isn't metal.
I agree, he likely would've continued his Control Denied or something similar and maybe do an occasional Death tour due to its popularity.
@@sothis1448 Depends what "prog" you're talking about.
@@sothis1448Old Fates Warning is metal. Oldschool Queensryche too.
@@sothis1448the topic is on prog metal, not prog rock which is obviously not metal
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NO LOVE TOWARDS MAN
Heeelll no 😂, I much rather listen to sound of perseverance than a boring ass album like haunted
@@icankillbugsopeth and death ain’t dream theater levels of wankery Atleast, absolutely hate that band
18:03 lol this j-dawg scream is really funny.
We need an all cat episode!
What about Deicide and Suffocation? They have been there from the start and have a consistantly brutal carreer till now. And People say they always sound the same every album but at least they stuck to their style and didn't sell out. Deicide would be My all time number 1 Death Metal Band. Also, Respect and R.I.P. to Chuck Schuldiner. I like all the Death Albums too.
Cannibal Corpse 😴😴😴😴
Hells is the best distro, I love the fact that I can find non 'PC' bands Like COMMAND and even bootlegs. TOTAL SUPPORT.
Asphyx s/t is almost infinitely better then Gallery of Suicide
No. Gallery is underrated . . . BUT s/t, The Rack, and The Last One On Earth by Asphyx are must-haves. Love that sound.
@@christopherrobin361 Gallery is mostly filler. By far one of the weakest CC albums
Chris and Danny from autopsy were doing abscess right after autopsy broke up and put out over eight records and various splits and eps.eric from autopsy was doing funeral and playing in asunder so this talk of them leaving the scene is pretty dumb.autopsy worst album is better than any band you likes best album...you don't like autopsy you don't know real death metal.
Well, Chuck Schuldiner co-created DM but he showed no interest in staying in the style later on. I believe he wanted to contribute to heavy metal in the broader sense. Why else would he change the direction so much, work with classical heavy metal musicians such as Andy LaRocque, start Control Denied, etc.? In some demos, you even hear him personally sing clean vocals. But, to the topic, why call it betrayal? He brought it to life and left it in the hands of tremendous death metallers who are bearing the torch to this very day. I think he did well to not stick to the guns since that, in his case, would have meant to stay in a style he was personally not interested in. That would certainly have reduced the quality of his music, too. Instead, he did brilliant albums, not DM albums, but I can't imagine a world without them. Amen
because he turned his back on the style and similar to patrick mameli (pestilence) and larry lalonde (the bassist of Primus and originally Possessed) disowned their work on death metal and publicly disdains all of the people who like it. in zoomer speak he "threw shade".
And also, this DB is too GD stooopid to know that all of his favorite DM bands would literally SMACK him for talking sh-----t about Chuck who they ALL rightfully recognize as one of the best that was and will ever be. Chuck will be remembered long after this DB is dust and that is FACT.
17:10 - top moment from a Cannibore Core apologist
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1:27 to 1:33 "The last time I checked 18 and 19 year-olds aren't children or teens, they're adults"
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I don’t think Cannibal Corpse later on is awful but the last album I spin by them is my personal favorite being ‘Vile’. Their albums after weren’t bad nor anything I’d consider “generic” but there’s something missing from a lot of them and the character of the old stuff is lacking. Their last album was fine but much like the new Dying Fetus were it was like “if I never heard this again would I really be disappointed” and the answer to that question is “no”.
I love vile and Chris Barnes is a icon and so is George but Chris problem is his ego and how he has trashed Cc since he left
He should be more humble
Agree... Nothing after vile
There was the song gallery is suicide that was pretty good though
@@650pathologist I like some albums after that but you’re honestly telling me that those albums are better than something like ‘Considered Dead’ or ‘Mental Funeral’, you have to be out of your mind to think that.
Vile is lame as fuck, bought it when it was first released, wasn't too long before I got rid of it.
Say what you want about later Death but it is sure more respectable then SFU. At least the musicianship is good.
First two SFU and 2012s Undead are good
Besides the 1st SFU album, SFU is complete utter shit.
Even the vocals are great, Chuck's best vocals are on The sound of Perseverance.
All SFU is good. From Haunted to Nightmares of the Decomposed.
@@lopolikthe vocals are the worst thing on that album.
No Asphyx is the answer to your question and you’re wrong they stayed heavy and while it has changed the Barnes to CG switch was arguably a bigger change in sound
Yo JDawg do you think Plankton has heard of Repulsion?
For sure, he listens to everything evil sounding.
Grawling
17:28 when j dawg stubs his toe
Barnes was the best thing CC had corpsegrinder puts me to sleep with his vocals
Agreed Barnes era was great but some of the newer shit is good too
Too bad Barnes fucked up after CC
@@Intermentor ya he turned to a homeboy
@@TheTransylvanian nah man the corpse grinder stuff is so generic
@@pookiebearv2859 evisceration plague is pretty good
Look how ragged out that chair is, must be too close to HIGH ESTROGEN????
I guarantee the Dawgs estrogen is lower than any other incel commenting on here
9:34 you should make that your permanent voice 🤣
phantom ripps handed to execution
That dumb bubbles impression fuckin perfect
Maybe Obituary and Deicide are in same camp as Cannibal Corspe on the 30 year mark. Morbid Angel didn't make the cut, LOL.
I''m a old geezer and still remember when Cannibal Corpse debut. Pretty amazing that they haven't changed their style and Still the kings of death metal. I wonder what Dawg's thoughts on Deicide are.
hes said his thoughts on deicide a thousand times
Cannibal Corpse is a hit and miss. Not a lot of stand-out songs. Only still considered kings because of their legacy of the shock-rock album covers from the Barnes era.
@@Beckonor wrong , they are the kings because they are the biggest selling death metal band no matter if the people buying their albums like other death metal or not and plenty of other covers are just as sick as the first 3, dying fetus and several others that people think are the kings have no stand out songs after the first 2 albums
@@BeckonorNot a lot of standout songs? They have numerous albums filled with bangers bra!
@@vicklaginaDying Fetus have no standout songs after the 1st 3 albums? Destroy the Opposition, Stop at Nothing, and Reign Supreme have a ton of standout tracks!
I mean Spiritual Healing and Scream Bloody Gore have the exact same Death logo. Sound Of Perserverance is missing the Ghoul, the cross is is at half staff rather than inverted and it isn't burning. That's the only one without he ghoul it think. The later ones have the ghoul but the cross is at half staff and is not burning.
Personally the orginal logo with the Ghoul and burning inverted cross is certainly my favorite variation too, but I wouldn't say the othr one is gay or not metal just because the cross is half staff and not burning. Unless your saying that because it's a simple of chuck pussying out and softening the image, in that case I agree.
Reek of Dawg Records ;)
There’s no way the HELLS HORVALS, are behind pressing all the Dawg’s fave demos to lame boot LPs on colored wax - what’s heavier than pressing bootleg live material from big bands and not paying them a cent??
I dont think chuck would care. He made sure every album was more progressive than the previous. Too bad so many metalheads cant appreciate albums thats just "not heavy enough" he was extremely talented
it's important for people to not leave their mind so open that their brains fall out.
Sorry but Human will always be my favorite album from death but i love the raw early albums as well.
Macabre
Death is not death metal after Spiritual Healing, but still metal and respectable. Six Feet Under is a joke and their best record is okay at best(the first album). Nothing by Six Feet Under is essential and is nobody's favorite band. Nowwith Death , that's a different story and different eras of the band account for a different group of fans. But that's a rabid and dedicated fan base.
When I was got into death metal , I was never a fan of SFU, I know a lot of people tell me the first album is great but I don’t even bother to check it out
@@Cannibal_Holocaust it’s cool bro
@@Cannibal_Holocaust That's what I've been telling people.... death's influence runs deep and their respect not just amongst metalheads. I know punk guys, rockabilly guys, and other non to casual metal listeners who like death.
The reason Chuck didn't stick to his guns and write about the same shit he did in the late 80s, is because he actually grew up and starting writing real lyrics that Chris Barnes or Corpsegrinder couldn't even come close to writing one line of. At least it's not how it is with Metallica where they straight up started writing what sounds like joke albums full of joke songs though.
100% agree, fucking lyrics don't mean a thing. Do they make death metal actual "death metal"? Just because they don't talk about killing, torture, raping etc... doesn't mean anything. Everything Chuck wrote is pure gold, can't say the same about cannibal corpse and all the bands J-dawg mentioned. Their lyrics are nothing but shit, deep as a glass of water (with all the due respect to glasses of water) 😂😂🤣🤣
And yes, Metallica turned into a total joke from one album to another (of course from ...And Justice For All to the Black Album. The leap is INSANE).
Chuck said in an interview that "Reality is far more brutal than any horror lyric". That was some of the realist shit I've ever heard
@@fededipi6688Metallica's lyrics actually matured quite a bit with time. Load and Reload had some bumps in the road, but there was some very mature and developed lyrics. Black Album has some of the best Metallica lyrics ever written, including The Unforgiven, which is said to be one of their best written songs. They “got their groove back” with Death Magnetic and onwards in 2008, so I'd they're at a pretty good spot than history.
J dawg is clean AF and pumps at the gym.
Sounds like you have a thing for him. Lol
No fruity shit here brah
Who else thinks the quality of the channel would improve if Dawg never mentioned Evil Chuck and Death again???? Raise your hands devils🙋🏻♂
But Tom G. definitely needs to remain as a permanent fixture.
Side-Note: Raise Your Hands✊🏻 is my all-time most favorite Bon Jovi anthem and it's legit way fuckin' heavier than Pantera!
Bon Jovi is a guilty pleasure of mine. "Runaway" and the tunes they did for the movie "Young Guns II" are pretty sick.
The devils need a Dawg and Tom G interview brah brah.
@@vladtepes9614Homie, Young Guns 1 or 2 don't have shit on Spaceballs! Mark that.
@@JB-wh9ux I'd watch.
I'm here for the death slander. Makes me laugh
Gonna need the Dawg to review the latest Fluids/Mavizzle collab.
I want to party with the dawg
Cats rule!
bands go one of 3 paths, they change styles at some point and keep putting good shit, they go gay and put out numetal and core shit, or they just put out the same damn album over and over. CC did the same album over and over forever and i'm sorry but i can't care anymore. death literally changed their style and still was super good for every style change, don't like it? fine, personal taste, but it's all 100% high quality. then the rest just eventually did groove metal or something and suck dick and ass.
Death evolved but the basic elements remained pretty consistent. He still did his melodic/catchy guitar parts and tapping sounds, the riffs were still basically in Death mode. The vocals and lyrics changed more than anything else did.
23:37 is crazy
I wish J-Dawg interviewed Chris Barnes actually
“50 dash 000” 😂
A lot of trailer park bubbles boys out there that need spelled out for them
That cat is cool AF.
Asphyx self titled album is not as good as The Rack but is still heavy as fuck. Now the next record God Cries, THAT album sucks. I cried when I heard that. However they did come back strong with On The Wings Of Inferno which is one of the best records in their catalog, almost as good as The Rack and The Last One On Earth.
Was about to say. I don't remember it being complete dogshit.
I like pretty much everything I heard by Asphyx, including ‘God Cries’. Their S/T is one of their most underrated albums ever. I know I use that word a lot but I think it’s accurate for that album considering it’s ignored by pretty much the majority of their fans.
@@andrewgabriel4408 It's probably because Martin Van Drunen left the band, I still liked it upon its release. Most of my favorite death metal bands were disappointing me at the time. The self titled record was still really heavy and a little darker. Good enough for me man.
Asphyx self titled is really good, definitely prefer it to Gallery of Suicide haha though I like that too
@@samstroberg8533 J Dawg 's not exactly qualified as a expert in the death/doom genre anyway as it's not a preference of him. Low attention span maybe, who knows? In extreme music I always gravitated towards the most extreme, brutal stuff. That goes for high and low tempos.
The dawg has style when taking that lp out of the sleeve
19:01 wonder if Justin’s really Bi
Individual Thought Patterns was my first Death album. Been a fan ever since.
😎🔥
I never cared for that album that much, but it has its moments. Symbolic to me was like a better and heavier version of that record.
ITP is an often overlooked masterpiece. My favorite
Thumbs Up for the cat.
Spiritual healing has original logo.
yeah he probably meant Human and thought Spiritual Healing cause that album was already borderline progressive/thrashy with social issue lyrics instead of death lyrics.
100% aware and like that album just tripped over words as i often do
I bought a Six Feet Under cd once at a liquidation place for a couple bucks, don't even think I made it past the first song before I ejected that crap and threw it in the reject bin.
Lol 😂 as a long time fan of sfu that made me laugh so hard which album was it ?
It was either called True Carnage or total carnage. Had a jar on the cover.@@Warsaw1948
@@Cannibal_Holocaust which hard drugs u on fam lmao
those things aren't for us. @@Cannibal_Holocaust
@@Cannibal_Holocaust maximum violence that’s my favorite from sfu
Cheese tastes good
Death would be the DM equivalent to Enslaved
I can get behind that.
I'd have to disagree...I can't listen to the later Enslaved stuff (what I heard of it, at least), but I can the later Death stuff. The change with Enslaved seems more severe to me.
Asphyx
My cut off is the Bleeding Goddamit 😂!! I loved CC when it was the good ol SOLID STATE CRATE/Marshall grind
For bands sticking to their guns I'm gonna have to suggest Master
I pledge allegiance to the flag!!!
They´re good but they never released anything that made me go "WOW! Thats some awesome shit" like Incantation for example
Yo Spongedawg, is the Hell's Headbangers warehouse in a pineapple under the sea? 🍍🏝️
Get real brah brah, the Dawg doesn’t operate out of his own damn house broski.
The warehouse is in Rock Bottom brah brah.
ROCK BOTTOM
An unpaaaaaaiid question for the devils. Spiked hairstyle, who wore it better. Bart Simpson or Spongeknob?
Bart Simpson sold out with Bartman brah brah. Not a single blastbeat on that damn track.
2:33 the thrash band that can’t take criticism and supports any current agenda. Cornballs
I got a Death "The sissy logo" hat and it's still sick brah brah!! But the original logo is better for sure. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
All kidding aside, Chuck was homosexual wasn't he? He certainly was very effeminate and a lot of his bandmates were gay.
There are rumors, but they're rather hidden. I think he had a girlfriend, so maybe he was bi, but dying from AIDS and everything we know about Chuck does raise a few questions.
Hilarious video!!!
So when autopsy is slow the dawg doesn’t like it. And when they release a CLASSIC ALBUM LIKE SHITFUN, THATS TRASH BRAH BRAH!!!!
Phantom’s (Mexico) new album is a BANGER. They’re from my hometown too
Sadus is in the were back category and soon morbid saint also😂😅
What's wrong with that?
17:09 17:22
Well Deceased are the kings, can’t fuck with any of it
Here we have another adult teenager who just refused to grow up.Get a life mate
j-Dawg betrayed Death metal worse than Relapse did.
You still mad at the Dawg because of something he said brah brah?
I mean RELAPSE really went downhill
My, my, looky here everyone, somebodies got their panties all up in a knot! lol
@@Ishitonyou666 It's gotta be a tie between Relapse, Earache, and RoadRunner.
@@Voorhees_Metal_Productions I agree with you , just that when I was getting into heavier stuff I was really buying lots albums fromRelapse records and by …I would say 2008 I’ve been noticing Relapse have been signing garbage bands and look what they have today…cringe.
Chris Barnes is still a icon J dawg
Nile, Suffocation and Cattle Decapitattion....
Way better than Cannibal...
That new Corpse album hardly has blast beats and is more thrash sounding to me.
The mix as well is horrible..
Poooooseeerrr!
I prefer bands with evolution, I’m not really into genres
The Hope and Horror ep by Immolation is a BANGER!
God damn