@@DaveH8905 dang sorry to hear that! I guess it depends how you wanna use it. Mine is like if a firebird were a mid. Low glide and great wind fighting, but not so OS that it is a shorter distance mid like a justice
I bag the Quake too, I absolutely love it, holds a hyzer super well, goes straight and dumps hard at the end if I throw it flat, and if I anhyzer it it'll fight back
I really like this format where we see similar discs compared to each other. Kind of like a Discraft-specific version of Eric Oakley's "Building the Bag" series.
Yes I love the hornet. The buzzz if I throw it hard it goes over 320' but the hornet for me doesn't really go much further than 300' ever I like the hornet a lot!
^this 1000% percent. I'm fortunate to have 4 brand new backups for when the one in my bag finally beats in. they did a limited ESP run last year, but they don't feel or fly the same. way more overstable than the original Z Hornets IMO.
The malta for me was a perfect complement to the buzzz. The drone and buzzzOS were just too overstable, while the malta is so workable while still being overstable
Jupiter! Great to see your comment. Casa de Luna now has a 9 hole course in the back yard. Please come by when you're in the area to visit and play some disc.
Gonna recommend the Quake, my favorite run so far is the Swirly GMC ones from 2021, reliably overstable in headwinds, but throwable to get distance out of
I have never thrown a wasp. I liked that distance you got with but no turn. The Buzz I have thrown and it eats wind for lunch. It hyzers no no matter what you should wrist up on the Buzz it can take it and still hyzers back. I also love the glide of the Buzz. Ty you for the video and good luck.
I was having the same problem as you are. I tried all of those and finally found the DGA Quake I find it has the dump of the Buzzz OS and the length of the WASP. Also it works really well with forehands. I kept turning over the Malta and the Drone throwing forehand, but the Quake and and the Buzzz OS held the line. I definitely recommend checking a Quake out of yoh get a chance. Thanks for making this video. I hope to see you in Tyler next weekend.
If you can, get some of the ESP Hornets. The zone is my favorite disc so I tried to build my bag around similar flights. The ESP hornet is what I consider as the Zone+. Has better hand feel than Malta but pretty similar flight. (My hands are on the slightly smaller side.) Has more glide than the Buzz OS and will push a little straighter before the dump. Similar flight to wasp with a little more reliable of a fade and more stability. Have never been able to get my hands on a drone so can't not say how it compares. Good luck on finding the perfect disc.
Quite literally what i came here to say. Zone+ is very much what it is especially if you like the way the wasp feels. I bag drones but for what she's saying the Hornet sounds perfect.
Wasps are money. I was in the same dilemma as you. Previously I only bagged Buzzz’s of varying stability. But I wanted one with just a touch more over-stability while still getting a similar distance. Did some field work with a few different discs and bagged the Wasp. The first actual hole I used it on was a drop in birdie.
Wasp looked like gold. Predictable. Flew straight, no turn and over-stability doesn’t kick in until very end of flight. Sure, the over-stability seemed a little weaker when it kicked in but you’d hit your line more often than the Buzz OS which likes to hyzer too soon unless you full power it, which leads to less accuracy…. Either way, probably my fav disk breakdown, easy to see flights with very well rounded dialog explaining what you expect and the results that follow. Seems simple but every disc reviewer I’ve watched can’t seem to get the simplicity of doing it right. (I’m looking at you Foundation…)
Yes, you are totally getting what I like about the Wasp! I do like the over stability in the Buzz OS for certain shots, but I think I'd rely more on the Wasp and then just put more or less hyzer on it when necessary!
I bag several wasps, they are just so butter. Always cycling 2 CT Glo wasps and have the Adam Hammes metallic Z wasp for more finish. They’re always reliable when everything else isn’t flying how I want.
My Drone is a bit more overstable than my Malta. It took me a while to find a longer version of the Zone but less than a Raptor/Anax and the Drone fit that perfectly for me.
First off, there's imo some time to be given to beat the box off the new discs. Nextly...I'm not a huge buzz fan so working wasps is kinda what's been working for me. I like a drone in the bag and a meteor for US. I just picked up a gang of wasps after having an esp for a while. The cryztal didn't wanna turn so much and wanted to fade. It's not drone fade but it's solid. Im excited to see how this cryztal sparkle wants to fly. I think pretty true
The drone once it beats in, Flies exactly how you described. Extremely straight with a late dump. My gf let me try her old drone and it did exactly that.
Drone was great--super reliable like a Predator. Malta is not the same. I never tried the Hornet so can't say. Buzzz OS would be my choice from current production discs (like Paige said, it was more OS than I expected!).
@@Wizler71 I have tried my malta and go back and forth on whether or not I like it. It has a smaller diameter than most other mids so maybe that throws me off.
Drone top on a Malta bottom but the diameter of the Sol! Nice dome for added glide with a comfortable bead from the Malta and a smaller diameter for more control!
I love the Drone! It’s very overstable so I know what to expect regardless of the wind conditions. That trust breeds confidence, and it is a staple in my bag for that reason.
I think that the Buzzz os is real nice...Have noted big differensies in what plastic is used. Had 1 in esp really flat top that was really overstable for me, and now have 1 that is z flex plastic and it is overstable but flies farther and straighter before it hooks left. So I would test those discs in different plastics (if possible) before deciding what to use :)
I have to say, I think you got some stable maltas as I'm 99% sure your arm speed eclipses mine and mine go straight for much longer than your throws did, even without a headwind
@@paigepiercediscgolf try some Big Z's if you liked the feel of them? I found mine to be straighter than the ESP ones I had thrown of friends, but ofc it's a pretty small sample size
I was trying to fill the same slot last fall. I am glad to see you are having the same dilemma I was. The buzz OS doesn't go far enough and just dumps out but the wasp is almost too strait. I ended up bagging them both. But maybe you can work on creating a new disc to fill that slot. A midrange that has good glide and distance but also has a dependable forward penetrating fade!!!
I’m in the same boat, I live in KS and the wasp is a great disc but flies too straight or even turns over in a headwind. I can throw my zone further than buzzz OS.. I second your idea! PP OS midrange!
@@troyb9985 I am just happy to see its not just me having this problem! However a PP overstable mid would be amazing! The malta and drone are a little too overstable for my arm. Although a X line malta is serving me okay for now
@@brettmchan2855 I agree, I really only like to throw a max 3 OS rating, exceptions are Raptors and Firebirds. A modified OS wasp would be perfect! I love the feel and flight just needs a touch more over stability for headwind shots.
That spot in my bag is a Color Glow Legacy-Recluse 2020 Veteran Park Open stamped. Might be my favorite out of all my throwers. Except my Proto Passion of course 😉
@@paigepiercediscgolf I'm not just saying that because this is your channel either Paige. It would ruin my game if I lost that disc at this point. I throw it on every course I play!
Out of the ones you tried, I would say the BuzzOS. If it feels comfortable, since you already throw the Buzz, then the feel doesn't take any getting used to. But only bag it IF you can absolutely trust it. If you continue underestimating it, then it may cause mental conflicts because it is so similar and has Buzz in the name.
I love the Buzzz Os i have a jawbreaker ledgestone one there great for the backhand but the forehand is where they shine i trust them more with forehands than my zones and they just seem to always find the basket plus they beat in to such a good disc that they always have a spot in my bag.
I was going to say find an esp buzz os it's a little less stable then z or crystal z buzz os bur a quake is also close to it. Wasps used to be pretty beef like md3 but they just got so straight now. They diff plastic buzz os! I lovvveee my buzzez so same feel in hand buzz is was a no brainer
I just traded my Wasp for a Pyro. Wasp didn’t dump enough for me. If you’re staying in Discraft and you still want the distance, I’d say Malta. I liked when I tried a beat in Malta, but brand new was a little too stable. Good luck!
I think which ever disc you can throw that far flat and have it finish straight or even a slight left finish will be great, especially when your buzzz would flip over. Which ever disc has a small amount of flip up into the headwind can be put on little hyzer to get a stronger finish. Into the headwind trying to force a raptor probably has it skipping too far left, which could he similar to some of these skippy overstable mids. Or you have a straight overstable mids and a beefcake. Great video!
Depending how much ground play you want Ledgestone released the Wasp in Crazy Tuff plastic and the Drone in rubber blend. These plastics might help the discs stay in the fairway on wooded courses.
Buzzz OS is the oldest disc in my bag. It's sooooo consistent. Learning to throw it just adds that reliability. Comfortable in hand, super reliable flight, especially in wind. Perfect step up from a Zone (which I also bag)
i feel like the wasp was the best of the test... but i can tell you're rooting for the buzzz 😁 i'd say go with the buzz, you like it, it is quite overstable and you're already familiar with the feel
Wasp shots looked great, but isn't the idea that the disc would hold up in a pretty good headwind? I have my doubts, just based on how they were flying for you. Seemed like you got the hang of the Malta a bit at the end there. OH, and it probably would've been helpful to throw the Raptor and Zone's that you're talking about, to see exactly how theses would differ in the same exact conditions.
Hey Paige, I personally like the ESP Drone because it's a little less stable, Wasp is a good option, and those ones are sweet, I want one 😩. Keep up the good work.
As someone who throws the Buzzz OS heavily over the past few seasons. I'd love to offer my thoughts. I think it's best plastic is ESP. Brand new they carry a tons of stability and torque resistance (they are phenomenal for forehands) I see you are throwing in a Z or Z Hybrid plastic, I highly recommend trying the ESP But like you have pointed out, the feel of the Buzzz OS is amazing, it is very comfortable for both forehand and backhand
As you know you had the most accuracy with the Wasp. It also seems like you preferred to have more fade at the end than the Wasp was offering into the headwind. Not sure what weight or plastic you were using but if the Wasp comes in a more premium plastic and/ you can go up in weight then the wasp might give you the little more fade that you are looking for. Also trying the other discs that faded more in a less premium plastic and/or in lighter weights ;no matter what type of plastic.
@@MegaLaban12345 No but she asked? I questioned why she asked for our thoughts and suggestions as well; since she is such at a high level. Who knows maybe she is just getting people sparked into dialogue about the disks. Who knows why a 5x world Champion asked for our thoughts on the subject but she did; so because the topic and discs interest me I answered.
I have been throwing the WASP every since I started throwing back in 2016 in Oklahoma (wind is very prevelant). I will say the plastic makes a HUGE difference in stability. The titanium plastic is one of the least stable plastics for the WASP while the Z and metallic Z is one of the most stable. I bag a z plastic and ti plastic wasp for my overstable slot and can always depend on a steady straight to overstable flight in a headwind. I love that I can control the angle of release to give it more lateral movement and it can handle all the power a driver can.
I've had a ZFLX Buzzz OS in my bag since 2016, and it is an absolute money disc. Great hyzer disc for trying to dunk in from the field, great in the woods to get around corners. And they're beeeeefy, which is exactly what I want from it.
It's fun testing out new molds to see what might make the bag. I like this honest take. I dig the Buzzz OS too but can only throw it FH. Just don't have the arm to use it BH.
Paige, if you like how the Zone flies, a Hornet is a great mid to get the job done. I use it for my ranges that I can't get my zone. I know its OOP, but if you can get your hands on some or have it brought back, I think you will like it. Otherwise, the BuzzzOS is a good deal.
If you can find then Nebula are great they feel more buzzz like and they fly even further then the Wasp and have about as much stability and they are smaller diameter like the Malta.
DGA Quake is a must try! Similar feeling to the Buzzz OS (just a touch more shallow). It fades out forward like a Force while still dumping as hard as the Buzzz OS.
Wow,as I watch your videos as a beginner, I am so impressed with your drives! Considering I guess you weigh about 120 lbs, and are so lean, I wish I could command the power and distance and accuracy you do. Thank you.
I have an older z buzzz os and they have a slightly less deep rim and I love how they feel exactly like a regular buzzz. It also goes farther with an extremely reliable end of flight hook up.
For me being a primary forehand thrower the Malta doesn't handle the torque as well and can sometimes become understable. I love the buzz and buzz ss, but now I'm really curious to see how well a buzz OS would handle full speed sidearm torque.
It's funny watching you try to talk yourself into liking the Buzzz more than the Wasp, as far as flight is concerned. Both have their place but the Wasp looked to be the more pinpoint and accurate of the two. I know what it's like to lean toward feel over performance but as you said in the video, you learn to love the feel of something after seeing repeatable and positive results.
I don't know if you want to have to over throw a disc to get it to work. That's a big commitment in the woods or narrow fairway. You want straight float to a dump left, right? I think the wasp does what you want without having to torque it. Probably more of a finesse disc. The buzz os is less forgiving if you miss your line.
Come on, we know all know it all comes from the Paige Pierce Power Ponytail Placement Position. I use it. Thanks for the vids, love the insight almost as much I love your passion.
11:33 - would anyone else wait for the dog and person to keep walking in fear of gridlock lol. Paige is on a different level and clearly trusts her lines, not me :)
I have been trying to fill out this slot as well. I love the Wasp although it feels pretty close to a stable Buzzz. It's also hard to find in ESP plastic for some reason. I think a seasoned Buzzz OS would have the perfect stability with the good feel in the hand and still be more dependably stable than a Wasp.
Throw a few rollers. Do it for the fans! Haha jk. I have only tried the Buzzz OS but I just got it a few weeks ago and have only thrown it a handful of times. I got it because I want something similar to how my Get Freaky Zone flies but get a little more distance with it and it works exactly perfect for what I got it for. I do have a Drone I got in a mystery box but still haven't tried it yet.
The disc that they might not be making any more, but might fill this gap is the Hornet. Oh boy, I cannot throw that disc for sh*t, but I have a noodle arm lol
I bag the zone for those 250ft to 275ft stable shots, Malta and Rocx3 for the 300ft to 320ft, champ eagle or firebird for those stable shots 320ft to 360ft range. All these disc chew through the wind!!! Great video!!!✊ p.s. looks like the buzz os flys a lot like the color glow champion Rocx3. I'm going to pick one up and try it out.
This is a nice video format. Just bought a wasp based on this video. For me that will be overstable enough I think. My buzz OS is an absolute meat hook so i wanted something a little less overstable to bridge the gap between my Buzz and my buzz OS. Good luck this season! Greetings from the Netherlands
Great video. I think it's just crazy how you are a prime example that you don't need to be some big guy to throw distance and it has to do so much with technique and timing. Such an entertaining player to watch on tour because of the lines you choose that other players just can't reach, so it's not an option for them. Waco hole 18 for example.
I do bag the Buzzz Combo and never regret that: Buzzz OS (Z), Buzzz (Ti + Cryztal-FLX + ESP) Buzzz SS (Z-FLX) The Buzzz OS (Z) replaced all the other OS mid range discs: Wasp, MD3, Malta, Roc3
You were throwing that Wasp awesome, but if that headwind were any stronger, it might flip over on you, and if the basket is really tucked left it may not have that ending fade you're looking for. Buzzz OS had a much more stable fade (almost like it fits a different stability slot than the Wasp to be honest). Maybe go beat in a handful of Buzzz OS's against a tree 20-30 times and it'll be perfect?
the perfect disc for you would probably be the hornet! its out of production, but they did a few limited releases as of late. its right between the wasp and the drone in overstability, but it has amazing glide! so in your case, wanting both distance and fade, it should be perfect. the drone has zero glide for example :D i have a beat in z hornet that is unreal!
I feel like with the drone and malta being super overstable, and the wasp and buzz os being just stable, you should release the malta and drone flatter or even a little anhyzer to get the most distance out of them since they are dumping left early. I really love your content and performance on tour! Keep up the amazing work!
DGA Quake! - It doesn't feel that different from throwing a Buzzz, but with the glide of a Wasp and the stability of the BuzzzOS
I second this. By far my favorite OS mid
Weird. The one I have is an absolute turd
@@DaveH8905 dang sorry to hear that! I guess it depends how you wanna use it. Mine is like if a firebird were a mid. Low glide and great wind fighting, but not so OS that it is a shorter distance mid like a justice
I bag the Quake too, I absolutely love it, holds a hyzer super well, goes straight and dumps hard at the end if I throw it flat, and if I anhyzer it it'll fight back
Use to throw the Wasp and Buzzz OS; switched to the Quake. It’s like the love child of the two!
I really like this format where we see similar discs compared to each other. Kind of like a Discraft-specific version of Eric Oakley's "Building the Bag" series.
This is great content. Wish more pros did stuff like this. You just gained a subscriber in me.
I'm SO happy to hear that, thank you for being here and welcome!!
Check out Eric Oakley, he just did a whole building a bag series. It’s really cool!
I recently fell in love with a Drone. Now I throw it pretty much anytime there is wind and I need to go less than 300 ft.
The hornet is a go-to overstable disc that's straight to fade left but not crazy hard.
Yes! Bring back the Hornet!
I need hornet back ;( Got most of my aces with Hornet
Yes I love the hornet. The buzzz if I throw it hard it goes over 320' but the hornet for me doesn't really go much further than 300' ever I like the hornet a lot!
I looked at the numbers on the Hornet and my thought is since the Midrange selection is so slim by Discraft I wish they kept up production
^this 1000% percent. I'm fortunate to have 4 brand new backups for when the one in my bag finally beats in. they did a limited ESP run last year, but they don't feel or fly the same. way more overstable than the original Z Hornets IMO.
The malta for me was a perfect complement to the buzzz. The drone and buzzzOS were just too overstable, while the malta is so workable while still being overstable
Jupiter!
Great to see your comment.
Casa de Luna now has a 9 hole course in the back yard.
Please come by when you're in the area to visit and play some disc.
the buzzz os is my go to for longer upshots that the zone cant hit distance wise. love it
Paige would make a fantastic teacher! Very easy to understand.
Gonna recommend the Quake, my favorite run so far is the Swirly GMC ones from 2021, reliably overstable in headwinds, but throwable to get distance out of
This is a VERY common answer1
ProLine Quake is the same flight as an ESP zone for me but longer, it's amazing. It has surprisingly good distance too
You have one of my favorite forms. So smooth even when you rip on it
Quake is the best option that discraft makes.
I have never thrown a wasp. I liked that distance you got with but no turn. The Buzz I have thrown and it eats wind for lunch. It hyzers no no matter what you should wrist up on the Buzz it can take it and still hyzers back. I also love the glide of the Buzz. Ty you for the video and good luck.
Loving this video! A lot of useful information about the process of selecting a disc that suits your needs without any added nonsense. Great work!
This has been the best off season/early season watching the pros throw different molds and show us how they pick disc to go in there bag!!!
I was having the same problem as you are. I tried all of those and finally found the DGA Quake I find it has the dump of the Buzzz OS and the length of the WASP. Also it works really well with forehands. I kept turning over the Malta and the Drone throwing forehand, but the Quake and and the Buzzz OS held the line. I definitely recommend checking a Quake out of yoh get a chance. Thanks for making this video. I hope to see you in Tyler next weekend.
I'm liking the way you throw the Wasp.
I loved the way the Wasp flew for me!
If you can, get some of the ESP Hornets. The zone is my favorite disc so I tried to build my bag around similar flights. The ESP hornet is what I consider as the Zone+.
Has better hand feel than Malta but pretty similar flight. (My hands are on the slightly smaller side.)
Has more glide than the Buzz OS and will push a little straighter before the dump.
Similar flight to wasp with a little more reliable of a fade and more stability.
Have never been able to get my hands on a drone so can't not say how it compares.
Good luck on finding the perfect disc.
Quite literally what i came here to say. Zone+ is very much what it is especially if you like the way the wasp feels. I bag drones but for what she's saying the Hornet sounds perfect.
i love the hornet. its the perfect overstable mid!
Wasps are money. I was in the same dilemma as you. Previously I only bagged Buzzz’s of varying stability. But I wanted one with just a touch more over-stability while still getting a similar distance. Did some field work with a few different discs and bagged the Wasp. The first actual hole I used it on was a drop in birdie.
That is fantastic to hear, I'm loving the reliable fade and the smooth flight!
Wasp looked like gold. Predictable. Flew straight, no turn and over-stability doesn’t kick in until very end of flight. Sure, the over-stability seemed a little weaker when it kicked in but you’d hit your line more often than the Buzz OS which likes to hyzer too soon unless you full power it, which leads to less accuracy….
Either way, probably my fav disk breakdown, easy to see flights with very well rounded dialog explaining what you expect and the results that follow. Seems simple but every disc reviewer I’ve watched can’t seem to get the simplicity of doing it right. (I’m looking at you Foundation…)
Yes, you are totally getting what I like about the Wasp! I do like the over stability in the Buzz OS for certain shots, but I think I'd rely more on the Wasp and then just put more or less hyzer on it when necessary!
Wasp to handle the wind, buzz os to handle the wind and go left
I like your style.
I bag several wasps, they are just so butter. Always cycling 2 CT Glo wasps and have the Adam Hammes metallic Z wasp for more finish. They’re always reliable when everything else isn’t flying how I want.
My Drone is a bit more overstable than my Malta. It took me a while to find a longer version of the Zone but less than a Raptor/Anax and the Drone fit that perfectly for me.
First off, there's imo some time to be given to beat the box off the new discs. Nextly...I'm not a huge buzz fan so working wasps is kinda what's been working for me. I like a drone in the bag and a meteor for US. I just picked up a gang of wasps after having an esp for a while. The cryztal didn't wanna turn so much and wanted to fade. It's not drone fade but it's solid. Im excited to see how this cryztal sparkle wants to fly. I think pretty true
The drone once it beats in, Flies exactly how you described. Extremely straight with a late dump. My gf let me try her old drone and it did exactly that.
Maybe i need to beat mine in more, it’s a freaking meathook and doesn’t go very far before it dumps
Drone is like a longer zone. Been throwing it for years. Literally one of my favorite discs 🤘🏻
Amen. I love mine.
Drone was great--super reliable like a Predator. Malta is not the same. I never tried the Hornet so can't say. Buzzz OS would be my choice from current production discs (like Paige said, it was more OS than I expected!).
@@Wizler71 I have tried my malta and go back and forth on whether or not I like it. It has a smaller diameter than most other mids so maybe that throws me off.
Drone top on a Malta bottom but the diameter of the Sol! Nice dome for added glide with a comfortable bead from the Malta and a smaller diameter for more control!
I love the Drone! It’s very overstable so I know what to expect regardless of the wind conditions. That trust breeds confidence, and it is a staple in my bag for that reason.
I think that the Buzzz os is real nice...Have noted big differensies in what plastic is used. Had 1 in esp really flat top that was really overstable for me, and now have 1 that is z flex plastic and it is overstable but flies farther and straighter before it hooks left. So I would test those discs in different plastics (if possible) before deciding what to use :)
100% try a quake!
I have to say, I think you got some stable maltas as I'm 99% sure your arm speed eclipses mine and mine go straight for much longer than your throws did, even without a headwind
That could be the case, maybe I should give them another shot?
@@paigepiercediscgolf try some Big Z's if you liked the feel of them? I found mine to be straighter than the ESP ones I had thrown of friends, but ofc it's a pretty small sample size
I love the buzz os. its gotten me out of trouble so many times . I like it for forehands too.
Had a buzzzOS I used all the time. Threw it in a River….asked for a new one for Christmas, then got the old one returned to me. Now I have 2 :)
The Drone is the best of the group
I was trying to fill the same slot last fall. I am glad to see you are having the same dilemma I was. The buzz OS doesn't go far enough and just dumps out but the wasp is almost too strait. I ended up bagging them both. But maybe you can work on creating a new disc to fill that slot. A midrange that has good glide and distance but also has a dependable forward penetrating fade!!!
I’m in the same boat, I live in KS and the wasp is a great disc but flies too straight or even turns over in a headwind. I can throw my zone further than buzzz OS.. I second your idea! PP OS midrange!
@@troyb9985 I am just happy to see its not just me having this problem! However a PP overstable mid would be amazing! The malta and drone are a little too overstable for my arm. Although a X line malta is serving me okay for now
That’s what my older run buzzz does.
@@brettmchan2855 I agree, I really only like to throw a max 3 OS rating, exceptions are Raptors and Firebirds. A modified OS wasp would be perfect! I love the feel and flight just needs a touch more over stability for headwind shots.
That spot in my bag is a Color Glow Legacy-Recluse 2020 Veteran Park Open stamped. Might be my favorite out of all my throwers. Except my Proto Passion of course 😉
Never forget about the Proto Passion ;)
@@paigepiercediscgolf never!
@@paigepiercediscgolf I'm not just saying that because this is your channel either Paige. It would ruin my game if I lost that disc at this point. I throw it on every course I play!
Out of the ones you tried, I would say the BuzzOS. If it feels comfortable, since you already throw the Buzz, then the feel doesn't take any getting used to. But only bag it IF you can absolutely trust it. If you continue underestimating it, then it may cause mental conflicts because it is so similar and has Buzz in the name.
I love the Buzzz Os i have a jawbreaker ledgestone one there great for the backhand but the forehand is where they shine i trust them more with forehands than my zones and they just seem to always find the basket plus they beat in to such a good disc that they always have a spot in my bag.
I really like the Buzzz OS, however a big downside is that it's so rarely in stock. Being really careful with the one I have left :)
If Paige picks it, you’ll find a lot more of them all the sudden haha
I was going to say find an esp buzz os it's a little less stable then z or crystal z buzz os bur a quake is also close to it. Wasps used to be pretty beef like md3 but they just got so straight now. They diff plastic buzz os! I lovvveee my buzzez so same feel in hand buzz is was a no brainer
Malta in Big Z flies different. I think it would fall in that sweet spot between Wasp and Buzzz OS. It does for me.
That's great to know!
Buzzz SS - Buzzz - Buzzz OS for midranges in my bag is such an easy fit
My vote is always for the Malta. I love it so much that I named my dog after it lol, great disc.
I just traded my Wasp for a Pyro. Wasp didn’t dump enough for me. If you’re staying in Discraft and you still want the distance, I’d say Malta. I liked when I tried a beat in Malta, but brand new was a little too stable. Good luck!
I think which ever disc you can throw that far flat and have it finish straight or even a slight left finish will be great, especially when your buzzz would flip over. Which ever disc has a small amount of flip up into the headwind can be put on little hyzer to get a stronger finish. Into the headwind trying to force a raptor probably has it skipping too far left, which could he similar to some of these skippy overstable mids. Or you have a straight overstable mids and a beefcake. Great video!
Depending how much ground play you want Ledgestone released the Wasp in Crazy Tuff plastic and the Drone in rubber blend. These plastics might help the discs stay in the fairway on wooded courses.
the drone in rubber blend is alot less overstable. its actually throwable ;D
The Buzz OS is a beautiful disc. Join Missy and make it great again!
Those last two shots with Malta looked really good, little turn with hard fade and still good glide
Buzzz OS is the oldest disc in my bag. It's sooooo consistent. Learning to throw it just adds that reliability. Comfortable in hand, super reliable flight, especially in wind. Perfect step up from a Zone (which I also bag)
Give the DGA Quake a try. It’s my favorite OS mid made by Discraft. Otherwise, I throw another Mich made OS mid, an Axiom Pyro.
2021 Hammes wasps are awesome. Give them a try. Drones are really really stable
I bought Paul McBeth's Premium 3-pack on a whim. The X Malta was a revelation for me and is now my go to midrange when I need overstable.
i feel like the wasp was the best of the test... but i can tell you're rooting for the buzzz 😁 i'd say go with the buzz, you like it, it is quite overstable and you're already familiar with the feel
Wasp shots looked great, but isn't the idea that the disc would hold up in a pretty good headwind? I have my doubts, just based on how they were flying for you. Seemed like you got the hang of the Malta a bit at the end there.
OH, and it probably would've been helpful to throw the Raptor and Zone's that you're talking about, to see exactly how theses would differ in the same exact conditions.
Thank you, and that's noted for the next time I film something like this!
2015 Ledgestone Crystal FLX Buzzz OS is such a good run of that disc .
Hi Paige I like the Buzz os. Best wishes for the remainder of the season. God bless
Hey Paige, I personally like the ESP Drone because it's a little less stable, Wasp is a good option, and those ones are sweet, I want one 😩. Keep up the good work.
As someone who throws the Buzzz OS heavily over the past few seasons. I'd love to offer my thoughts.
I think it's best plastic is ESP. Brand new they carry a tons of stability and torque resistance (they are phenomenal for forehands)
I see you are throwing in a Z or Z Hybrid plastic, I highly recommend trying the ESP
But like you have pointed out, the feel of the Buzzz OS is amazing, it is very comfortable for both forehand and backhand
I'm going to pick up a Wasp just because of this video. Keep doing these.
As you know you had the most accuracy with the Wasp. It also seems like you preferred to have more fade at the end than the Wasp was offering into the headwind. Not sure what weight or plastic you were using but if the Wasp comes in a more premium plastic and/ you can go up in weight then the wasp might give you the little more fade that you are looking for.
Also trying the other discs that faded more in a less premium plastic and/or in lighter weights ;no matter what type of plastic.
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No but she asked? I questioned why she asked for our thoughts and suggestions as well; since she is such at a high level. Who knows maybe she is just getting people sparked into dialogue about the disks. Who knows why a 5x world Champion asked for our thoughts on the subject but she did; so because the topic and discs interest me I answered.
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By the way you came across as rude.
Take care
You should try the Rubber blend Drone. I think it would fit what you're explaining really well
You're the second person that mentioned this blend, must be good!
I have been throwing the WASP every since I started throwing back in 2016 in Oklahoma (wind is very prevelant). I will say the plastic makes a HUGE difference in stability. The titanium plastic is one of the least stable plastics for the WASP while the Z and metallic Z is one of the most stable. I bag a z plastic and ti plastic wasp for my overstable slot and can always depend on a steady straight to overstable flight in a headwind. I love that I can control the angle of release to give it more lateral movement and it can handle all the power a driver can.
I've had a ZFLX Buzzz OS in my bag since 2016, and it is an absolute money disc. Great hyzer disc for trying to dunk in from the field, great in the woods to get around corners. And they're beeeeefy, which is exactly what I want from it.
It's fun testing out new molds to see what might make the bag. I like this honest take. I dig the Buzzz OS too but can only throw it FH. Just don't have the arm to use it BH.
Def think the buzz OS is the most overstable, just so beefy
I love this idea! What a good video!
Paige, if you like how the Zone flies, a Hornet is a great mid to get the job done. I use it for my ranges that I can't get my zone. I know its OOP, but if you can get your hands on some or have it brought back, I think you will like it. Otherwise, the BuzzzOS is a good deal.
If you can find then Nebula are great they feel more buzzz like and they fly even further then the Wasp and have about as much stability and they are smaller diameter like the Malta.
DGA Quake is a must try! Similar feeling to the Buzzz OS (just a touch more shallow). It fades out forward like a Force while still dumping as hard as the Buzzz OS.
I love the Buzzz OS once it beats in it’s a perfect OS amid
I love my PP Buzzz in Z-plastic! Can't wait for the PP BuzzzOS!!
Wow,as I watch your videos as a beginner, I am so impressed with your drives! Considering I guess you weigh about 120 lbs, and are so lean, I wish I could command the power and distance and accuracy you do. Thank you.
I have an older z buzzz os and they have a slightly less deep rim and I love how they feel exactly like a regular buzzz. It also goes farther with an extremely reliable end of flight hook up.
I bag a Malta. It's great for headwind and situational shots (throwing around a group of trees). Also fun for short spike hyzer.
For me being a primary forehand thrower the Malta doesn't handle the torque as well and can sometimes become understable. I love the buzz and buzz ss, but now I'm really curious to see how well a buzz OS would handle full speed sidearm torque.
It's funny watching you try to talk yourself into liking the Buzzz more than the Wasp, as far as flight is concerned. Both have their place but the Wasp looked to be the more pinpoint and accurate of the two. I know what it's like to lean toward feel over performance but as you said in the video, you learn to love the feel of something after seeing repeatable and positive results.
You should try out the Nebula. I think it's somewhere between the buzzz os and the wasp
Once beat in my wasp just goes straight. I think the buzzz os is your best choice. Good luck this season 👍
I don't know if you want to have to over throw a disc to get it to work. That's a big commitment in the woods or narrow fairway. You want straight float to a dump left, right? I think the wasp does what you want without having to torque it. Probably more of a finesse disc. The buzz os is less forgiving if you miss your line.
Definitely!
Come on, we know all know it all comes from the Paige Pierce Power Ponytail Placement Position. I use it. Thanks for the vids, love the insight almost as much I love your passion.
Paige, you convinced me. I don't have suggestions for you but I know I'm buying a Wasp now! Lol
11:33 - would anyone else wait for the dog and person to keep walking in fear of gridlock lol. Paige is on a different level and clearly trusts her lines, not me :)
I have been trying to fill out this slot as well. I love the Wasp although it feels pretty close to a stable Buzzz. It's also hard to find in ESP plastic for some reason. I think a seasoned Buzzz OS would have the perfect stability with the good feel in the hand and still be more dependably stable than a Wasp.
Throw a few rollers. Do it for the fans! Haha jk. I have only tried the Buzzz OS but I just got it a few weeks ago and have only thrown it a handful of times. I got it because I want something similar to how my Get Freaky Zone flies but get a little more distance with it and it works exactly perfect for what I got it for. I do have a Drone I got in a mystery box but still haven't tried it yet.
Try the dga quake or hornet. Great smooth feeling in the hand with reliable fade when thrown hard.
i love old school titanium discs wow
The disc that they might not be making any more, but might fill this gap is the Hornet. Oh boy, I cannot throw that disc for sh*t, but I have a noodle arm lol
Cool video
Thank you for sharing your practice with us.
I bag the zone for those 250ft to 275ft stable shots, Malta and Rocx3 for the 300ft to 320ft, champ eagle or firebird for those stable shots 320ft to 360ft range. All these disc chew through the wind!!! Great video!!!✊ p.s. looks like the buzz os flys a lot like the color glow champion Rocx3. I'm going to pick one up and try it out.
This is a nice video format. Just bought a wasp based on this video. For me that will be overstable enough I think. My buzz OS is an absolute meat hook so i wanted something a little less overstable to bridge the gap between my Buzz and my buzz OS. Good luck this season! Greetings from the Netherlands
Great video. I think it's just crazy how you are a prime example that you don't need to be some big guy to throw distance and it has to do so much with technique and timing. Such an entertaining player to watch on tour because of the lines you choose that other players just can't reach, so it's not an option for them. Waco hole 18 for example.
Cool dog, well behaved
He's the best disc golf dog out there :)
The DGA quake. If that is too stable like the BuZzz OS seemed to be, than a Hornet might do it
Wasp for sure! Love my darkclaw one! Hit up Foundation, Brodie, or Paul for one!
I really enjoyed seeing your process of finding a new OS mid. Thanks Page!
The wasp went straight
I do bag the Buzzz Combo and never regret that:
Buzzz OS (Z),
Buzzz (Ti + Cryztal-FLX + ESP)
Buzzz SS (Z-FLX)
The Buzzz OS (Z) replaced all the other OS mid range discs: Wasp, MD3, Malta, Roc3
You were throwing that Wasp awesome, but if that headwind were any stronger, it might flip over on you, and if the basket is really tucked left it may not have that ending fade you're looking for. Buzzz OS had a much more stable fade (almost like it fits a different stability slot than the Wasp to be honest). Maybe go beat in a handful of Buzzz OS's against a tree 20-30 times and it'll be perfect?
Titanium buzz ...much more stable than my esp...works great in a headwind with that dependent zone like finish
Great video!
For me the Malta filled that slot perfectly. It will straighten out and get longer flight after a few tree kicks
the perfect disc for you would probably be the hornet! its out of production, but they did a few limited releases as of late. its right between the wasp and the drone in overstability, but it has amazing glide! so in your case, wanting both distance and fade, it should be perfect. the drone has zero glide for example :D i have a beat in z hornet that is unreal!
I feel like with the drone and malta being super overstable, and the wasp and buzz os being just stable, you should release the malta and drone flatter or even a little anhyzer to get the most distance out of them since they are dumping left early. I really love your content and performance on tour! Keep up the amazing work!
We love the Innova Caiman! Any midrange similar to this disc and you’ll be set! 🙌