Why Are Shower Handles So Sensitive?
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Why does it seem like your shower handle is always one degree away from scalding or freezing? "Lazy" shower engineering.
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The obvious solution is to make your shower handle a giant steering wheel, so you can feel like you're driving a ship while showering
I love this idea. This is not the solution for this problem, but it still solves so many problems.
If you close your eyes and spin your head around for the sea sick sensation you can pretend you're a pirate travelling the seas during a violent storm
@@cornbreadloverrr I like this.
and have a 100:1 gear underneath
Most ship steering wheels are really small, in fact the biggest ship in the world has a steering wheel that's about 12 inches
VERY important note on turning down your house hot water temperature: It needs to have a minimum temperature high enough to prevent growth of Legionella. It favors 77-113F (25-45C) and so should be above it to also handle heat loss in pipes.
That's what I thought :)
Would that necessity be less important in a system with a tankless "on demand" water heater?
@@tparadox88 absolutely, but if your water heater is set lower, keep in mind that it will be lower for everything including dishwashers
Remember that dishwashers actually need at least 120F water to operate efficiently. They'll either use water that really isn't hot enough to get your dishes clean or spend more time and electricity to get the water temperature right. Oh... good idea to purge the cold water out of the hot water spigot at your kitchen sink before starting the dishwasher.
This. Needs to be above 55*c i heard.
As a construction worker I can attest to the fact that the pluming for showers is downright primitive😂
As not a construction worker who replaced the bathroom sink in their house I distinctly remember the moment I realized "Oh, it's all just a series of tubes"
Are you a plumber or a person who puts up the building? Because as a construction worker (plumber here) the way we build a building hasnt changed much in over 2000 years, unless your counting steel studs.
@@JuanWonOne materials have changed, not so much changed about the techniques.
it's faster thanks to specialized tools, and sturdier over all (in theory at least, cheapness tends to take that advantage away.) but the premise is the same.
My shower is a bird of paradise with very modern pluming
As an aspiring engineer: the system in your shower is currently as simple as it gets. Making things more complicated always makes them less reliable, and since you have to break into the wall to fix it, we don't usually do that.
His solution of turning down his water heater works, but it means that he has to use more of the hot water to warm up the cold water, so you run out of hot more easily, which most people really don't want to do.
My friend over engineered his shower with a 15:1 gear ratio secondary knob on each side with a toggle latch. He can use the main hot and cold knobs to turn on and get close to the golden temperature, then activate the secondary knobs to fine tune and adjust if needed. I highly recommend this, as it only cost about $25 in hardware and about 2 hours to install.
So uh, how would I do that... Asking for a friend :)
@@korndog3415 with a 15:1 ratio gear set in aluminum or stainless steel and attach it to the knobs in the shower, then have the small gear on a lever that you can disengage with a toggle latch or spring tension. It was pretty simple to set up, really. It was ridiculous, because the ratio was way too high in my opinion and it took forever to get the water to change temps if you wanted to. If I wanted to make something similar, I'd probably go for a 3:1 ratio, but I would rather use a digital control to do it automatically for me.
In India, We do not have hot or cold showers.
We have showers depending on what the temperature of the water being supplied is.
In summers it is hot enough to compete against Ryan Reynolds and in winters it is cold enough to give Elsa a fever.
You have a way with words
Wouldn't giving Elsa hypothermia be a more apt description for cold affecting cold in this scenario?
@@justmythoughts88 Spending time in too cold environment often weakens your immune system and makes it easier to get a virus for flu -> fever is the most common symptom body uses to fight a disease caused by a virus.
I assume this is what OP meant.
Edit. I think a joke just flew over my head... 🤦♂️
@@justmythoughts88 It's a metaphor. It has been around in one form or another for at least a hundred years.
@@DrewNorthup The op said it's hot like Ryan Reynolds, and cold enough to give Elsa a fever. A fever would make her hot. I'm suggesting a more apt word would be hypothermia, as in the water is cold enough to make a literal ice queen far too cold, giving her hypothermia.
"nipples of Neptune that's cold" got me spending an hour thinking up similar phrases it was so brilliant
It's even worse when you get it in the sweet spot then someone turns on a faucet or flushes the toilet and drops the pressure on either the hot or the cold line and makes the temperature swing drastically in one direction or the other very quickly
Most showers installed after the early 2000's will have a valve that drops both inputs on one losing pressure to solve the toilet-flush scalding issue. I wager many have forgotten that was ever an issue by now.
@@kauske my shower mixer is only a few years old and it doesn't have that feature.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Where would you even find one that doesn't? Did your plumber get it as salvage?
@@kauske we recently had our bathroom renovated, and I think our old shower might have had that feature, but the new one definitely does not.
@@vedritmathias9193 Probably should complain to your plumber for using crap parts from China or something. Because just about all faucette bases available have that sort of valve. It's a thing you'd either have to go out of your way for, or be using terrible parts to try and scrape a few extra bucks like a crook.
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Best line in the history of these videos, and there have been some really good ones.
timestamp?
5:12 for anyone still wondering
I watched a plumber live stream himself installing a bidet and he was very particular about how he set it up so the stream would never be too hot or too cold.
I want to see....link me my guy
Can you link the stream?
My bidet has hot/cold dial, perfection
Legend
Imagine if it was too hot or too cold D:
The problem with limiting the range is it assumes the hot water is always on full.
Yep. If there isn't as much hot water available as usual, then you will actually use those "unused" ranges, and even then it may not be hot enough. I became well-acquainted with this from living in college dorms.
@@RialuCaos Oh, the horrors of Dorm-plumbing. We always had issues with water pressure. the toilet wouldn't refill, the shower would trickle, and a small glass of water would take a solid 10 seconds to fill. Of course the warmest the water got too was maybe 110F. Even better was the rushes of hot water that'd occasionally burn you alive if you didn't readjust the temp.
Or have an apartment with a boiler
It also assumes people are not doing Wim Hofs.
Sometimes that extra knob real estate can be useful. I know in winter my apartment's shower water is noticeably colder where I'm relatively close to only feeding hot water, whereas in the summer I'm barely using any hot water because the water's already somewhat hot to begin with. We're talking about like... a solid 30 degree angle difference on the position of the knob.
I think it's awesome when you've been doing something instinctively for so long and then see the scientific explanation for your instinctive action when interacting with your environment. I turn my shower on before I get in and check the temperature with my hand. I start with the temperature handle in the middle and slowly bring it to my desired temperature. Can confirm it isn't very far from the middle position of the temperature handle.
Three points from me:
- on vacation in florida the shower dial controlled two things at once: flow rate AND hot water percentage. so ... you could only have a trickle of cold on the one end and a strong shower of hot on the other end.
- I do have a temperature regulator in the shower. It takes a few seconds until the hot water arrives there, but then it mixes the two waters to the target temperature with a bi-metal regulator.
- wet lab coat contest!
When I visited Japan the friend I stayed with had one of those on the shower along with an instant hot water heater. The combo's brilliant: Water the temperature you want the entire time, no matter how long you're in there.
That's how my shower is, a single twist handle to simultaneously control temperature and flow. It's a pretty common style of shower control in the U.S. Mine at least reaches maximum flow rate at about the transition from cold to cool, so it's usually not a problem, but it would be nice to at least have the option to take a warm shower that isn't at full blast.
There was never such a waste of not not water
-not quite Strong Bad
@@ManabiLT yes, i want one in every shower, but why not have all three A shower with optional bi-metal regulator, a two handle control or a 3D one handle controll
@@Okusar I bought a "shower head shut off valve" for my shower. It attaches between the shower pipe and the hose, and lets you adjust the water flow manually from full blast to completely off. It works wonderfully, and helps with saving hot water in the winter as well. (I use the valve to adjust it down to a trickle while soaping up, then turn it back on to rinse.) They're an inexpensive fix (around $12 USD) for that problem.
Finally the members only stream we've all wanted; Kyle taking a shower in a silky white lab coat.
He didn’t say “not like that” this time 👀
"IT'S NOT THAT KIND... Well i guess is that kind.. BUT THE LAB COAT STAYS ON!"
@@keepironman14 that just makes it so much kinkier.
@@Amanda_Harper (later out of context) "and these are my balls"..
I'd pay for that.
I will have to say one thing. There was a court case in which finally laid to rest the entire argument of yelling fire in a theater. And that ruling stated that you can in fact do it.
The Elon jokes were pretty cringe. End world hunger bs come on
@@jayyoung5627 I wanted to say that but I opted not to. I really like Kyle because he's honest about nuclear energy but I think he doesn't really understand anything about economics or the situation with Elon vs The UN enough to joke about it.
And in case he reads this which he likely won't. Elon told the UN no because they refused a third party audit of how the money would be used, and it would have only supplied one meal a day for 3 years (maybe). And while that's better than nothing, the UN has not been held to account for their rampant spending of world tax dollars, or the atrocities a number of their members have committed including heads of the organization whom have molested and raped women and children.
@@GuardianDarkAngel Both of you showed your asses tremendously here. The most amusing part is how smugly you seem to believe you aren't giant gaping sores on the sole of humanity's foot.
Wow sensitive much? It's a joke about a billionaire spending more than 40 billion just so he can say whatever he wants, chill
@@ryanmacarthur6250 in what way is stating a fact sensitive? It was a poor joke because you already can yell fire. More over, I brought to attention why the joke about Elon "ending world hunger" is also stupid because people hear that, from Kyle who's really likeable, and think wow yeah why didn't Elon "end world hunger?" Short answer? Because he can't. Long answer is as above stated. It has nothing to do with sensitivity and a lot to do with being irresponsible with exaggerated/misleading information. More over considering Kyle isn't a comedian. He's an entertainer who seeks to educate.
Wow, I "feel" like I have significantly more control over my shower's temperature than that and I purposefully seek out different temperatures depending on the general temperature.
My dad renovated basically our entire house himself, when he made the walk in shower (sounds cool but it's just big cold box) he made it with three levers, one to switch between shower head and hose, and the other two were each for hot and cold.
Long story short, that's the best temp adjustment I've used, I miss it, nowhere I've lived since has had it
The master bathroom in my mother's house has that arrangement. It seems to be something that kinda carried over from the old days when we had separate hot and cold taps. My guess is they wanted to make showers and sinks be as similar in operation as possible, so they just kept the separate hot and cold knobs
@@richardmillhousenixon makes sense! The only time I haven't liked that in a sink was a hotel where the hot and cold actually had separate faucets :-( one cold hand one burned hand lol
I'd say that's the standard here in Argentina. I've never had a problem adjusting the temperature of a shower until I tried this 180° lever thingy
@@sevrono lmao that's the worst of both worlds
most houses in australia have separate controls
Here in Brazil, the standard is electric showers and we have 3 selections: off, chilly, hot and 3⁰ degree burn. Lately, some showers have been coming with a potentiometer knob, so we hustle a little less with the eternal search for the most satisfying shower
In turkey we have 2 diffrent levers instead of one,one of them controlls how much cold water gets mixed and the other one controlls hot water,I think it is more efficent
Thanks god que noix tá tendo mais troço de qualidade aqui XD
Sometimes, we brazillians get to have cool things, as a treat
I use a gas-heated shower here in Brazil. It has ~20 selections of temperature and ~20 of water. I always use maximum water (so, I never changed the setting in all those years) and the minimum one of temperature, except on cold winters, which I use the next minimum one (2/20). My skinny ex once set the temperature to 4/20 and I was red for a month I think.
Idk bro, electric showers work pretty well.
A third option, you can extend the handle so that the lever widens the distance giving you more movement range and precision with the temperature adjustments
Everyone is a genius until you take a shower in someone else's bathroom.
I really wouldn't recommend turning the water temperature down from 60°. All kinds of nasty microbes would start growing in there.
I always take cold showers anyway
good a way to wake myself up ,I tend to do a workout ,from where i'm from it's hot as shit tends to be 30 to 36° and it went to 40 once and since it's cold I don't tend to last longer in showers bout few mins of taking a shower.
sometimes warm but only one cold days
@@lag00n54 only a few mins with cold water? Damn bro, I vibe with that shite, I stand there just to feel the ice flowing on me.
So theoretically I could design a gearing system for my shower so the handle would use a smaller gear to turn a larger gear on the actual "mixing chamber" and with some testing I could set it up to always be in the comfort zone?
You'd be cheaper off just getting a thermostat shower handle. 😉
@@HansStrijker maybe, maybe not. But very likely maybe
What you really want is a knob that handles both hot and cold, as they are easier to find the balance point. One i use right now goes from the no pressure point a little over 1 rotation and has a white cap with black text to say turn left/right for not/cold. So (even with major nearsighted vision) i can see when i turn to the good point via the text.
Let's get Adam Savage to make that for us on Tested!!!
@@automaticninjaassaultcat3703 I think your missing the point my good sir. We need Adam Savage to build and over engeiner this totally unnecessary device because it would be a site to see.
Videos like this are a big part of why I am glad that every house I've ever lived in had a shower with individual hot and cold water handles. Single dial showers are for suckers. Lemme pump the hot on full blast, then add in as much cold water as is needed (usually not much cause they're all older houses, hence the older style, and the water doesn't get very hot)
I moved to Japan and in Japan many homes have a water temperatures that you can be regulated to the exact degree. Plus the bath tubs reheat themselves so you can sit in them as long as you want and it’ll stay just as hot without having to drain a little and waste more water. Also, you can start your bath running/heating from another room (Living room/kitchen) by just pressing a button and it’ll tell you when it’s finished. My boyfriend’s family home is an older home and it even has this installed.
Please do a video of how if the money spent on Twitter would solve world hunger.
spoiler alert, he won't because he knows it won't solve anything, several countries as spend trillions on that and it still a problem
he can't because throwing money at a problem like world hunger doesn't fix it.
I'd love for him to actually try to justify his take, maybe being forced to confront reality would change his mind.
"Behold! My balls!"
Just giving that callback the respect it deserves.
I would like to give myself a pat on the back for not bursting out in laughter in my office at work.
6:30 Because my receptors have clearly been tempered with, I can only take my showers at "Here be dragons" temperature. Result: my shower shall protect me in case I ever get attacked, it'll burn my enemy while protecting me.
Those older showers you usually find in mobile homes, the ones with the three knobs (hot, cold, and to switch between the shower head and faucet) are probably one of the best for finding comfy temps. I've had one for years and have it down to where to start to get the perfect temp.
I've seen several people say this in the comments, but I couldn't disagree more 😅
I HATE the mixing tap shower arrangements, because every time it's "Okay, is it three and a half turns of this one and one and three quarters of the other one, or three and.. actually seven eighths, and one and a half??!" and I always have to spend SO much time mucking with now two free parameters instead of just one. Every. Single. Time.
Meanwhile (depending on the exact design of the handle/pressure) you can often just leave the single handle in the approximately correct position for the next time, and just add water pressure when needed!
PSA don't turn your water heater below 120F / 49C or you're going to breed bacteria that could make you sick.
Better (more expensive) shower valves don't just open the hot and cold pipes proportionally and instead use a variable analog thermostat to control the temperature of the water. And now there are even much more expensive digital shower valves that use solenoids to mix the water to an exact temperature.
pity they are so expensive, it really lowers the availability.
omg the heater at my old house was set to 105...
This is a straight up lie. Unless you're on a well, theirs nothing in your water to breed.
Second 120 isn't hot enough to kill most bacteria. You need 155, 160 to be safe.
And finally, most water heaters relief valves open at 150. So no, your heater isn't killing anything. How(I meant hope lol) you aren't on a bad well, or you local town treats the water, because that's the only safety you get from bacteria.
I find it best to set around 55C. That you don't use as much energy and you can find better range for controlling. Up here they set them to 60-70C which is very hot and it uses quite a bit of hydro just to keep them at that temp.
@@CanadaBud23 yeah in the us they usually default to 140F / 60C. Which is a waste of energy IMHO.
There's a type of shower valve where you turn it to set temperature, but pull the handle towards you like a lever to open the flow. I grew up with these.
Ran into them on honeymoon in Russia years ago. I have never felt so stupid in my life - just couldn't figure the thing out until it all clicked that it was a totally different kind of mixer.
I much prefer those. Some are "pull" to control the volume of water, and some are "tilt". My shower is the standard single dial thing, but all the sinks use the mixer where rotation controls temp and tilt controls volume. Single handle kitchen sinks almost always work like that these days.
I’ve always preferred those. The only problem is that I would have to flush out the cold water in the pipes that was already there for it to actually get to the final temperature. So it might take 10-30s to get to the actual set temperature.
That's actually the "thermostatic" shower Kyle mentions. You aren't directly controlling the temperature, you're adjusting the balance point of the mechanism that does the adjusting itself.
Wait, that's not the usual shower mechanism?
As a plumber I would not turn the water heater down for shower temp control, maybe up. The cartridge in the shower valve has a temprature dial. Usually if a customer wants their shower temp higher or lower we first go to the shower cartridge. Thermostatic mixing valve could be installed for proper heat balance.
5:09 I got the impression Big Kyle wanted to squish you. Watch your back.
The last shower I worked on, at my previous house, had separate hot and cold knobs with non-linear valves. The hot side valve added hot water very quickly as soon as it started to turn, then tapered off in the top of the range to allow finer control. The cold side was the opposite, fine control at low opening and then opening up faster at the top of the range. My typical SOP was to turn the hot on full blast and then add cold to bring the temp down, which worked very well.
My SOP is broadly similar but with ordinary taps: wide open hot tap, open the cold tap fractionally, then almost close it again. Millimetres of turn in that cold tap between hot and too hot.
To be taken into consideration are also:
- the infrastructure of the building/house you're living in
- the infrastructure delivering the water to it
- the weather
For example so far I've only been living in not so new buildings and Romanian water delivery infrastructure is decent at best. There have been moments in the winter where I would turn the handle to the hottest possible and I'd only get a warm-ish temperature. In summer sometimes I'd have to only slightly turn the handle to the hot side and it would be 3rd degree burn hot.
Also...if you're living in a building you also have to consider the floor you live at and how many people are using the hot water at that moment. If, for example, living on the 9th floor, I try to take a shower when most people are preparing to head to work or just arrived from it... I"m lucky if I have water pressure at all, nevermind it being warm.
Anywhoo...another nice entertaining and simple to understand video. Keep up the good work, Mr Hill!
I like to pretend that thou art not in Romania, and that there just happens to be water lines built by Romanian Engineers in random places that are not Romania.
@@dannypipewrench533 :))
Facts, whenever i stay at my friends place the hot water takes forever to arrive and then it barely gets warm enough for me. Apartments are rough.
Nothing like trying to take a shower on a cold, humid day.
Basically I think we all need a smaller and slow moving "precision handle" to be used for micro adjusting along with normal one.
They exist, but expensive
@@armorclasshero2103 why? I imagine you could do it with some simple gears.
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The chad solution is to put your valves at the corners instead of the meeting point of the pipes.
That way you use two valves, each are responsible for only hot or cold.
The perfect setting is quite easy to get
Have this, it's easy to move the handles to the same place every time and it's always comfortably hot
I have this, I turn the hot on to a set level then use the cold to adjust the temp.
@@HELLO7657 2 separate valves, makes for greater precision in temperature control.
@@HELLO7657 you have individual control over the hot and cold water so there is more room to play with the valves instead of a single valve controlling the mix.
@@HELLO7657 the biggest problem is the hot and cold being controlled from the same valve.
This is why two-knob spigots are better than one-knob spigots. You can control exactly how much hot or cold water is being used every time you take a shower.
To me this is part of the advantage of the old-school 2-3 knob controls for baths/showers, getting fine tuned temperature with them seems significantly easier for those familiar with them.
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Well, this "problem" have bin solved sins 1972 in Sweden ... with proper engineering. It is named a Termostatblandaren ("thermomixer"), and it regulates the flows of hot and cold. I do not know if it was the first of its kind at the time. But it was the first in Sweden. Granted, the blenders of today are far better than the once back then. That said, growing up I never understood why this hot and cold shower temp mix was a problem. I never experienced it in my home. It have bin a standard in Swedish homes for decades. The difference between each degree of Celsius is about 0,7 cm. ( I measured on my own). The temperature range is from about 25 to 45. and the knob goes almost 2 spins around, including a safety laths that prevent temps above 35 unless you release it. It is easy to get the exact temperature you want.
i live in sweden and it is a problem
Yeah, have the same here at Åland, never had this problem either.
@@sgt_kissekatt6686 for me it started when they adjusted the water piping or some shit. did'nt have this problem before last year.
It's called a thermostatic mixing valve in the US and fairly common this day and age. Also we have pressure balancing valves but that is more to prevent temperature fluctuations while in the shower.
And in 1927 in Brazil, where a guy was crazy enough to pump electricity into his showerhead and it quickly became a very common thing in every household
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I always wanted to make an electric one that would mix it to a specific temp and hold it there... with LEDs in the shower head for status. So it will start out full hot until it blends in cold to cool.. (heats up faster) then pulls out cool water as the hot runs lower (and cooler) until its full hot and lets you know that while the temp is fine now, it will start getting colder soon.
Electric showers are the most common here in Brazil. The Shower itself has temperature control.
The guy Guilherme Stecanella is right, and I'll even add something. There are already some friggin SMART SHOWERS, with internal temp control with electric heating. Electric showers rules
2:45 -- "He said it! He said the thing!"
The lower you turn the temperature down on the hot water heater, the shorter amount of time you can take a warm shower. That's just a fact.
Depends on the heater. My parents have a continuous heater, it could technically run forever. I for example have remote heating, so I get scolding hot water anyway. Lots of differences depending on all sorts of things like updated construction laws, green energy initiatives, whether gas is available as a heating source or the aforementioned remote heating. :D
EDIT: Oh that reminds me. I know it's a thing but I never really understood how you can run out of hot water anyway... It's just not a thing here. 🤷♂️
@@Byter09 happens here all the time. depends on the age of the heater though. new ones are both more efficient and quicker. I had to replace mine this last winter and its allot better now.
Why would you have a second heater for water that is already hot? Energy inefficient. You are the reason for global warming.
@@bryanbrady877 I think you misread. Remote heating requires me not to have a heater at all.
Way to go though, immediately coming to weird conclusions lol
@@Byter09 He said hot water heater.
"Toxic Billionaire" LOL- The guy who gave us EV's and is sending us to Mars? You are a CLOWN.
EV's were around before musk was even born, and affordable ones were coming out before the first tesla rolled off the production lines.
One of our favourite Eddie Izzard sketches from years ago is the shower one: "One nano-millimeter between extremely effing hot and fantastically freezing!"🤣
Love Eddie Izzard
“The tyranny of ducks” is my favorite skit of his
Kind of amusing to think that when I first wake up I am super groggy and the first 2 things I do require a lot of precision. Aim for the toilet and set the shower handle in the right position. If I nail both I know its going to be a good day.
Let’s see a video breaking down how exactly 40 billion could end world hunger. I’ll wait.
The thing that's really frustrating is that where the sweet spot is and how wide it is changes depending on the outdoor temperature. The water heater always supplies the same hot water, but in summer, the cold water may be barely below tepid, and in winter it's painfully cold, which means you need only a tiny amount of it to moderate the hot water and there's a microscopic range where it feels good.
I miss my two knob showers /: single knobs caused me a lot of anxiety as a kid, not a very fearful child but there was something nerve racking about something so simple being different..
Two knob also allowed control of water pressure ;-;
2 knob showers or faucets are the worst. If you want more water, you need to turn both of them the exact same ratio to keep the same temperature while a mix tap just requires you to pull it.
@@NaudVanDalen depends on what version, it also gives the ones where one knob is temperatur and the other one is the amount of water flowing in
@@johannesjons2141 There are also three knob showers
I specifically sought out a set with hot lever and cold lever that open 1/4 turn. It gives me superior control over temperature and pressure.
@@NaudVanDalen for sinks it's terrible, but for showers you just set hot to full blast, and adjust cold to find what you like.
Well luckily since Elon Musk's 44 billion can solve world hunger, now the previous owners of Twitter can solve world hunger, and have absolutely no reason not to!
Something tells me Kyle's jelly cuz he's not a billionaire genius... just a plain old genius
@@rioscardot if he was a genius he would know that mixing science and politics is a shitty idea and keep the topics separate instead of mixing them into this cringefest that will age like fine milk because of the transitory nature of political opinion.
People lose it about the funny rocket and car guy throwing some of his money at a social media platform and talking about the first amendment, but nobody bats an eye about Bezos owning an entire media outlet. 44 billion wouldn't even put a dent in world hunger anyway, but if it fuels people's anger, then it must be true. :/
I expect that will happen. Breath hold commencing...
That's a good point and yet another hole in Kyles sudden hate for musk
Honestly having two valves makes more sense to me then having one. Though they probably have the one because you can regulate temperature maxes easier so little kids aren't just cranking the hot water and boiling themselves.
6:55 the eternal hunt for the shlitoris .
Hey Kyle, have you looked into better help? Some of there terms and conditions are a bit concerning and seems that not all “ professionals” seem to be vetted on the site. Just something you might want to look at if you are going to be sponsored by them. Thanks and love your videos.
I remember wisecrack always apologizing about better help's past problems in their ad reads
finding a professional on better help would be like having a nascar driver pick you up for an uber. psychological issues don't get treated or even understood correctly in a 5 minute zoom call.
Yeah it saddens me to see these big channels promote companies that are actually doing harm. I like to think that they do it unknowingly but it gets to a point where he has to have heard about the issues surrounding the company after this much time.
I had a problem with this once: I prefer to shower much colder than the rest of my family. Once our shower handle was broken and the lower temperature part was not useable. Took a while to convince my dad that I felt like boiling my own skin everstime I took a shower...
I think I'm the opposite of you lol I need to basically be boiling alive otherwise I'm having a bad time
@@techramancer Now mix so you can get into an equilibrium where you both use water at an acceptable temperature
Finding the sweetspot in the shower is like lockpicking in Skyrim
a technique i use for more precision while turning the shower handle is holding it with one hand and lightly knocking it with the free hand in the desired direction
Seems like someone needs to contact betterhelp for their sensitivity to the sale of Twitter.
I know it was just for a joke at Musk's expense, but I have to point out: infrastructure and distribution are the real hurdles of "ending world hunger," not just throwing money at it until it goes away. Also, US foreign aid for FY20 was 51B, which (for the bad at math) is less than 1% of the total federal budget and (for the even worse at math) more than 44B. The Twitter sale money would have done almost nothing to help world hunger despite how staggeringly large it seems on the face of it.
the worse is you don't hear those people complain when soros, bezos, bill gates or microsoft using that much money to buy stuff for them, its only elon musk because he don't think like them
you won't get through to people like this with actual logical arguments unfortunately, it's not snappy or snide enough and you're not "supporting the current thing" It's a shame that a science channel has devolved into half-baked opinions.
And this guy was good at understanding big numbers, apparently recently caught a case of stupid-22 and a virulent strain at that. So sad.
Yeah it seems he has disregarded science and logic in favor of political agenda.
I really appreciate the word choices in this one lmao.
Yes, yes, yes! I've been irritated by this for ever so long, by Freya's cats!
I thought it was just me and/or I'd always rented places with crummy showers -- I'm glad to know there's more to it than that.
I remember encountering a shower once that had a thermometer to show the temperature of the water going to the showerhead.
With all technology these days, that should be standard
Thermostatic valve: mechanical constant-temperature solution based on thermal expansion of parafin, a spring, and some slightly smart water flow design.
I'm skeptical that is what I encountered, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert, so it could've been. At the time at least it seemed to be more just an on-demand water heater equipped plumbing system. It was in an exercise room's bathroom at my dad's previous employer in the before times. We'd had an unexpected weekend blackout, and went there partly so I could shower since there was no hot water at home.
@@LexieAssassin true: could well be an instant heater electric shower. Maybe even natural gas.
I know it was a joke, but would be interesting to see the math behind the argument that the money spent to purchase Twitter would end world hunger
Didn't Elon offer to give the UN or something a ton of money to end world hunger if they could give him a thorough plan on how it'd be used? and the UN failed to come up with a decent plan.
@@jorixpalorn3738 Yes, hence it would be interesting to see how much money is actually needed or how much money these NGOs waste. Or if anything to end this idea that you can just throw money to solve every problem in the universe.
@@darkshinob World hunger I think is one of those problems you can't solve just by throwing money at it. Each region that suffers from hunger has its own host of complex problems that need to be solved.
@@jorixpalorn3738 Couldn't agree more. Like how a bottle of water is worth differently to someone in a rainforest and someone in a desert.
And this idea that we can just throw money is especially dangerous when people use it as excuse to take money from those who produced it. And there are a lot of people who think that the ends justify the means so long they agree with the end.
He said already that he would spend 6B (which is what they said last time) to solve it if they had a plan. There plan wasn’t to end it, it was to prolong it till next year
I like the 2 knob solution. 1 for hot and 1 for cold so there are sweet spots for every temperature and pressure :)
FYI: Ending world hunger isn't a money issue. Its a logistics issue.
And $5.7 per person in the world is not nearly enough to end world hunger and anyone who claims $44 billion is enough to end world hunger either hasn't done the maths, doesn't have a working brain or is being disingenuous.
Here's something I've always found curious: why does the sensation of extreme heat from water feel cold or cold-adjacent? I just find that it goes from ow this is hot to OW THIS COLDBUTHOT WTF
its the same with extreme cold, the temperature stops activating your temperature nerves and instead starts activating your pain nerves
I think it has to do with pain. all pain can feel analogous when it comes to temperature?
basically when your skin gets too many standard deviations away from ‘comfortable,’ it becomes so painful that it is a transcendent experience and you stop perceiving it as temperature
Part of it has to do with the fact that extreme heat also activates your cold receptors. Cold receptors for cold, warm receptors for heat, warm and cold receptors simultaneously for painfully hot.
Isn't the thing here that 'too hot' and 'too cold' are actually the same thing to us and we just use context to know which one it is?
My solution was the opposite, I turned the temp on my water heater up. Now the middle of the dial is the right temp, and my family of four doesn't run through as much of the hot water when taking showers. I would usually go last, and have to take a lukewarm to freezing cold shower. Now I have enough to give me a pleasingly warm shower every time.
There is an energy trade-off in how hot you make your hot water though; especially for tank-type heaters. The hotter the water, the more heat you will lose through the insulation. It's a bit less of an issue with an on-demand system, but still somewhat of an issue as hotter water loses heat faster, and takes more energy to heat it up.
That costs energy and therefore money, since it is forced to heat up the water when you're not using it.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 It does that anyway. The heater heating water to 100 degrees versus 90 degrees isn't a huge difference. But having enough hot water for 4 people to take baths and showers is more important than the few dollars extra I pay for a few degrees more.
@@QBCPerdition I see your point. What you could to actually is go down in the morning before everyone has their shower and turn the temp up on the water heater, then turn it back down afterwards.
Plus it'd make your hot water faucets put out less scalding water.
You'd have to be ultra cheap to do that, but isn't that what dads do?
@@kauske for most in north america, that just means you lose that heat to your house, which means your House heading doesn't have to work as hard, so it all evens out, you can also just jacket your tank
In the Netherlands, or a better part of Europe, we usually have thermostats built into the shower. Where one knob handles the flow and the other knob lets you set the desired temperature to be mixed in superior degrees Celcius.
I live in Belgium, yeah these things have been a fairly common thing for at least 30 years.
Do a video on why youre not donating all your excess money to assist in ending world hunger.
We went from "Daddy Elon" and "Muskwatch" to this 0:40
This is the power of the wokes, corrupting even the smartest minds...
“Nipples of Neptune that’s cold!” is my new catchphrase thank you very much
What a fun video.
I recently bought a new house (to me). The temperature control valve is a different valve than the on/off so once set it is always the same temperature. In addition there seems to be a sensor that detects pressure drops (like when when a toilet is flushed). Rather then being temporarily scalded, the over all pressure drops maintaining a consistent temperature. I had no idea plumbing technology had become so advanced. Lol
wax capsule thermostatic mixer
I've googled how tap handles work before and there wasn't anything comprehensive immediately available, so this should be helpful.
I have an old-school style shower with two dials, one for hot and one for cold. Tbh I think it eliminates a lot of these problems because YOU choose how much hot and cold you have. I always turn hot on full and then adjust cold until I'm comfy
That's pretty much what you have have to do with a hot, cold, and shower divertor. You turn the hot all the way up for the max water pressure and then add with the cold water to regulate the temp. It fluctuates when your water heater isn't working right or if someone decides to flush the toilet or run the kitchen sink while you're in the shower.
I came here to say this same thing. Though we have the same issues while we're adjusting the cold dial.
I just use cold water and i'm fine
@@Jarekthegamingdragon could try cutting the seat and installing new tap washers. You may have a sticky/deformed washer on the cold tap.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon Same here! Two knob showers are superior :D Though a lot of this discourse depends on how your hot water heater runs and your water pressure too!
Great vid, Kyle! That note you make around 9:00 is what the engineering field of Human Systems Integration, sort of an offshoot of Human Factors (or when safety is involved, Human Reliability Analysis). I see this "engineering convenience over human-centric design" all the time in my field.
Interestingly the only engineers that seem to have internalized HSI are ones where there has been a major disaster (systems engineers for e.g. construction processes i.e. Hyatt regency disaster, nuclear control engineers i.e. three mile island, or aerospace controls engineers i.e. every pilot-based disaster). It's so incredibly hard to convince an engineering establishment to take these cautionary tales seriously in other domains though, since humans have this kind of "too messy, won't touch" feel. Trying to get awareness for it in Machine Learning via Human-Centered AI movement, for e.g.
Whut
3-valve control is bliss. Hot half turn, cold quarter turn, and fine-adjust from there.
Did anyone else notice Kyle didn't say "Not like that" about the private videos this time. This time in a shower video full of double entendre. Curious.
Thermostatic shower handles are pretty much the norm here in the Netherlands. I never understood why they haven't caught on in the US. 🤔
It’s mainly because people don’t want to spend $1500 on one…
They’re stupid expensive here.
Money, the same reason we don't have a lot of things that seem obvious, like adequate healthcare.
I pay 300 for one in the hardware store.
It’s like $300 for a thermostatic valve, plus $75 for a volume control knob. This is compared to the common and inferior pressure balancing valve that costs like $125.
Obviously it’s not worth it to remodel a bathroom just to replace the valve, but if you are already remodeling a bathroom for thousands, it’s definitely worth it IMO to spend a couple hundred extra on hardware you’ll use every day for years.
I see the replies that note the extra cost, but it does fit in with the American reluctance to do things that work well for the rest of the world like the metric system, universal healthcare, Paternity leave, etc
Freedom of speech is very important. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
Amen
I got to learn this firsthand the hard way a few years ago. It was really cold out and my siblings and I complained to our dad that the water wasn't getting warm enough, so he went down to the heater and turned it up a bit. All of a sudden that sweet spot was like a degree, max. A practical demonstration that was great for educational purposes, but not so much for the skin.
That was a really nerdy way to describe that bit about shower design at the end. Thats what im here for.
Anyone else remember when Kyle was shouting MUSK-SEEEEEE!! while playing an air guitar? Cuz I do; It's too bad people are so eager to follow what others are saying instead of thinking for themselves.
but you don't understand he must support current thing like a good NPC /s
@@louthinator Apparently he must, it's sad to see.
I would go to his house and protest, but the trip would contribute to global warming. Then people would be totally justified in saying hateful things about me, because that's what rational people do.
@@bryanbrady877 Ironically if you took the trip in one of Elon Musk's electric vehicles and only recharged at stations powered by nuclear plants you wouldn't contribute to global warming
Yeah he's definitely got himself on the political bandwagon.
I actually have one of those fancy-ish showers where there's a 'click' in the middle where it should be ~38c.
The lower range of the shower is ~20c, I don't think it can go past 60c, and it has about 270° of motion. I can get a 30-40° angle sweetspot, which is pretty convenient.
That is a lot of text to simply say "I live in Europe"
@@rufmeister Are you saying that america doesn't have first world commodities?
@@Olav_Hansen Nah. Much like healthcare, we don't really like to offer people quality goods at attainable prices. But line go up.
Another confounding factor is that many modern showers have a passive thermal expansion safety valve that restricts hot water flow as it heats up, meaning you'll have to keep jogging the handle to the left as the valve heats up for the first few minutes. I asked my plumber if he could leave it out when we got our bathroom done because I really dislike them, but he said he couldn't because it is code in our area.
We got an even fancier thermo-static like valve that has one handle that controls the exact temperature regardless of flow rate.(controled with a second valve.) It has a marking that gives you exactly 38°C when you line it up. We even changed our boiler and changed our boiler temperature and it still gives the exact same water temperature.
Not exactly sure how they engineered it, as it doesn't require electricity to work(obious safety, but there are crazy electric shower heads out there), but that's some marvelous passive thermo regulation.
"Imagine spending all that money on just kind of a self aggrandizing, ego project...." SAYS the "totally not an evil genius" that has his own massive facility with a large number of employees who's sole purpose is to do his bidding and attend to his every whim and desire.....LOL.
I like Kyle, and I'm not a fan of Elon. But Kyle seems a bit disingenuous when he literally use to host a fan boy skit called "musk-watch".
@@FalconOctober Its good for people to be able to change their opinions. I used to like Musk as well, then he turned out to be a giant asshole.
@@FalconOctober yeah, Elon was all the little nerd boys literal favorite human until he was 'red pilled', even though he's not right wing. after that moment I've seen a billion and two reasons why Elon is the worst human in the world.
@@FalconOctober that was years ago, opinions can change
@@FalconOctober people can change, it’s called character development
so weird watching this when I first found Kyle during the Muskwatch series.
Its weird how he went from a Musk fanboy to hater just cause his politics demand it or he would be excommunicated. Kinda like a cult.
I have seen too much of this over the years. It feels like the Chinese cultural revolution, which was very rational and went well.
Ahahaha I LOVE the way you say "Don't be weird, big Kyle"
"daddy will feed ya" than immediately backtracks...
🤣
Come on kylie. That money would have ended world hunger for half an hour.
My shower amplifies all this by having the temperature dial also be the on/off lever.
You need to tilt it up to turn it on and be extra careful not to nudge it side to side to knock it away from the sweet spot.
+ small shower so bumping into it on accident is also easy.
Pro tip, adjust your valves so that full blast is perfect temp. It takes a sec to figure it out, but it's worth it
My favorite showers are the ones that have two controls. Temperature and flow. You can turn on the shower, get the temperature right, and then just shut off the flow. Next time you are ready to get in, just turn on the flow, wait for it to warm up, and get into a perfect(or close to it) shower. I’ve seen more of these in Europe than the US though.
Confirmed in Belgium (my shower)
remember when musk was this kind of guy’s god king who could do no wrong? it feels like a switch was flipped in these people’s minds when he went from insanely rich to the insanely richest
No, the switch flipped when they realized musk doesn't just share all their opinions. Dude went from maybe a few mil of family value to the richest man in the world entirely on products and services that have massively impacted the world. Paypal, tesla, SpaceX, starlink, solar city.
He has advanced next generational tech more than anyone who has ever lived. And on top of that he tries to improve people's personal freedom in many aspects, not just with freedom of speech, but teslas being sold direct to consumer to eliminate dealer markups, on top of all those companies that lessen reliance on old tech. I dont own any of his products, don't particularly want a tesla (my username is from the inventor, not the company, and ive had it since before I even knew about the company) and the only service I use is PayPal, which he isn't super invested in anymore, but as a person I absolutely respect what he dies.
Just imagine where the EV and space sectors would be without Elon
Watching a show host dump on a billionaire and remembering when said host was a co-host of a particular show that was dedicated to the antics of said billionaire. The cycle continues...
the funniest part is elon said "all of my critics please stay on twitter I want you to keep speaking" yet apparently he bought twitter because he's overly sensitive? yeah nah kyle only listens to one side of the argument because "I support current thing"
@@louthinator I wonder what his opinion is on Bezos actually owning a media company? But suddenly "Red planet man bad!" Weirdly selective.
@@bryanbrady877 the phrase "it's ok when we do it" has been the characteristic theme of that side for the last 6 years.
Yeah he's going down hill and it's not good
I've installed a digital shower, it just has a thermometer and remote control with a range 32-42°C, and a preheating mode. Also solves problem with sudden temp jumps when someone flushes a toilet
Kyle you let a *GREAT* joke slide passed there. In the beginning after the scene switch when you said "Great nipples of Neptune, that's cooooold!", you should have had something under your shirt to look like diamond cutters are poking out😭🤣🤣
When you have an electronic shower that heats the water in a box to the correct temperature before its sent to the shower head