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I love your reaction to this. As soon as they mentioned Costa Rica I knew that they were talking about you guys! I nearly screamed!!! I couldn’t wait to see your reaction! I desperately wish I had the money to go…but especially if they go! I’ve gone through deconstruction too…although I wasn’t raised in a high demand religion (family are Episcopalian…it still wasn’t easy. They worry. It’s a process. But I never worried about loosing them and *most* friends). I’d love to speak with them both (especially as I live in an area where I may meet an open minded Christian I could fall in love with…most people here are at least somewhat religious…or spiritual. Have you considered holding a lottery for a spot or two on the trip…any money made after the lottery (to go to cost of trip) could go to a charity for helping people get therapy for religious trauma? Who’ve left polygamy? (Teacher’s makes jack-sh*t…it’s so frustrating). I have so much hope…regardless of where Bethany lands with this…that her heart and mind will go to accept LGBTQ people (etc). Maybe she’ll meet and befriend some, listen to their stories, etc. and sit with it. I know when I did, I learned a great deal. I’d hand her copies of Rachel Heald Evan’s books too (she was a friend I met after her 2nd book. We shared wine and spoke some after a conference during my deconstruction. I landed on one side and she landed in the Liberal Christian side). She was an AMAZING human being who is gone way too soon. So if Dav and Bethany see this…check her books out…especially Searching for Sunday. You may not agree with it all, but what she had today is incredibly beautiful. I know fairly Conservative Christians who love them, as well as agnostics and atheists. Her last book is pretty beautiful too. All are humorous and well written. I once heard that true intelligence is the ability to change your mind on an issue when presented with new information. Clearly both are quite intelligent. And I’m rooting for them both…as well as their marriage! (I’ve never wanted to see them fail, just disagreed and found some content harmful.) While I’ve been skeptical about their marriage. I’m so glad they’ve (obviously) gotten therapy and depended the emotionally connection (which appears incredibly deep. There is no way they could act that. I doubt any Oscar award winning actor could). I may disagree with her on many issues, but she is a “ride or die” for Dav and I respect the hell out of that. I only hope I can find someone to have that sort of intimacy with! I hope we see more of this, mixed faith (with their kids privacy in mind) on their channel.
I agree, I think Bethany has really shown herself to be a supportive and loving partner. And I feel like just watching her content or some of Dav’s comments separately have never really gotten this dynamic across so effectively as in this video. Being able to deconstruct in a safe environment together, regardless of where they land, is the absolute best thing that someone in their position could hope for. I think it’s just lovely that they are continuing to hold to each other as they work through all of this. And I think however their faiths end up they will probably be healthier for having hashed these things out and redevoted themselves to each other in a non-conditional sort of way.
I’ve been saying 2024 is gonna be that year. I know terrible things are happening right now but I believe truly that it’s a peaking point for great change. Election year in America!!
One thing I love is hearing Bethany talk about what she wants. I think this is the first time we’ve heard her talk about it outside of the mindset of what God wants.
Bethany said she's deconstructed some of her thinking. I didn't realize until seeing it this time (1st time w/ J&M). Has anyone else remarked on that.....
There was honestly something so lovely about her saying “I like being a Christian” because it’s like for once I believe that she’s doing this because she want it
Also this is such a triumph for you guys because it just PROVES that being empathetic and kind is what really gets through to people!! Absolute Zelph win
This is what cult experts say. Kindness can plant the seeds. Also talking about different beliefs and kindly asking for them to explain theirs. I’ve so many stories of people watch Mormon, Scientology, flds, and on and on. stuff and they come to see the similarities in their group.
I keep thinking about some other UA-cam channels that do reaction content to Beth and dav who never could have gotten to this point bc they have so much vitriol and bitterness
I said this on Jordan and McKay's video, but Dav and Bethany seem so much more relaxed with each other and especially THEMSELVES. I'm honestly so happy for them. I mean, physical affection?!!
I never expected Bethany Beal to become a shining example of what unconditional love looks like in a mixed faith relationship. I'm so excited to see where they're headed, I think it's going to be something incredibly beautiful.
First step: Zelph on the Shelf with Dav and Bethany. Next step: 10 hour conversation with John Dehlin about Dav's deconstruction and Bethany's sex journey.
Bethany has deconstructed so much, she’s gone from feeling complete antipathy towards atheists to bring in love with one despite of the fact.. and then announcing it publicly. In old videos with Dav and you can really see the cloud of shame and isolation that not being true to himself cast over him. You can see that a weight has been lifted of him. He seems so happy, free and authentic. I really do hope they work through it together but whether or not they are still together in 10 years time it’s clear they have so much love for each other. You can tell they have a love that goes to the core of who they each are as people, which is rare to experience. Dav mentioning you guys made me so giddy I had to take a min (okay more like a day) to collect myself, I cant wait for the collab!! (it’s inevitable, right?)
This video is blowing my mind with how sweet and open the whole thing is. I laughed, I cried, I got the chills, I called my mom and told her I loved her, WOW!!
My own journey hate-following Girl Defined and then Bethany and Dav has been years long and it's absolutely jaw dropping to have reached a point where I'm a better person because THEY are striving to be better people. Never in a million years could I have anticipated practicing empathy with Bethany and Dav. What a world we live in. And thank you to you both for facilitating this (often comedic and adventurous) journey for me in the past year because I wouldn't have known how developed this story had become without you. I feel like I'm going to wake up tomorrow questioning if this even happened because I've joked about it for so long but didn't have the "faith" that fundamental change was occurring.
I feel so connected to Bethany in this video she seems so real when compared to her usual content like they seem completely different. I wish I could see this Bethany all the time
@Bethany_Beal thank you so much for your openness, compassion and vulnerability! 💜🌻💜 We need more of this in this world and seeing the growth in you is giving me so much hope I never thought I would have! We are rooting for both of you and absolutely adore watching you building bridges - especially considering how hard this must be on your end. I truly hope that the love, respect and compassion you see on here is reflected in your community and that we all come out on the other side of this as more accepting people - making this world a better place for everyone in it. From the bottom of my heart: thank you, Bethy! 💜🌻💜 - Sincerely, a Level 1 critic who absolutely loves all of this
Bethany, I have always resided in the commentary side of UA-cam and only knew of you through weird hate-filled rants about a "crazy, harmful Mormon lady ruining children on the internet". Finding this channel recently and hearing Sam and Tanner approach you with such empathy really turned around my view 180°. This video in particular had me routing for you and your family in a way I cannot describe and more importantly humanized you. I was completely giddy with joy through this entire story arc and am so much better off because of it ❤
I watched the Dav and Bethy video and then watched your reaction video because of Dav’s recommendation, now I get to watch your reaction! What a roller coaster
As someone who got sucked down the Girl Defined rabbit hole for a year as a teenager (and has thankfully recovered) this is just SO heartwarming and amazing!
Even though it was in the title I NEVER EXPECTED THEM TO NOT ONLY MENTION YOU BUT SPEND SEVERAL MINUTES TALKING ABOUT YOU AND PRAISING YOU I was literally screaming and laughing and crying right along with you. We’ve all speculated about Dav’s deconstruction so that didn’t surprise me, but seeing Bethany so real and raw and supportive and with so much emotional intelligence and LOVE really touched me in a way I never thought possible from her. I’m tempted to watch this entire video again 😂
On the verge of tears rn bc I’m so filled with joy for Dav and Bethany and the strength of their love and commitment to be able to remain together even as Dav basically sheds everything they previously stood for. It’s incredible to see the beautiful woman Bethany has been underneath her conditioning. The strength she has to unlearn such harmful thought processes is astounding. This entire journey is proof that people very rarely intend to hurt others, and those who have can truly learn and change. Sorry to wax poetic in such a parasocial way, I’m just in awe :)))
My deconstruction from Mormonism was more like pulling out a foundational Jenga block (Joseph Smith), watching the whole tower come crashing down, then meticulously inspecting the rubble, block by block, and realizing that they absolutely needed to fall.
I was just telling my friend about my process using that analogy. I said some of the early questioning was removing blocks and it maybe wavered but didn't fall. But at a point, I pulled a foundational block and everything tumbled down
@@daydream1329 it was being pushed aside in a ministry position bc a completely unqualified person wanted to do it and they were a man, so I was told to "know my place". I had been questioning other things for years but that toppled the stack
There is one part I really liked, and it's at around the 40 minute mark. I like the language Bethany is choosing to use. She's saying she has so much "confidence" they are supposed to be together, and gonna be fine loving each other, etc. I really like that she uses the word confidence and isn't saying "I know we're supposed to be together" and other Christian/Mormon testimony like language. It feels so much healthier.
I never tuned into Girl Defined, I had never seen Bethany and Dav together, and I had never seen this channel UNTIL 24 Hours With. I’ve also been living in the comments section and absolutely living for these reaction videos. I LOVE Dav and Bethany together and I seriously hope there is a collab because you two are such a hoot! I need all y’all together! I’m an Orthodox Christian, so I’m probably a misfit here, but I subscribed!
i can't believe how vulnerable Dav and Bethany were to make this video. this is an example of pure love. this literally to me inspires me MORE than the "picture perfect christian couple" way more real, honest, vulnerable, inspiring
sometimes the internet sucks but other times we get to be taken on a beautiful journey of love, friendship, faith, openness, and embracing authenticity. thank you sam and tanner for continuing to cheer all of us up! -level 1 critic
I am SO HERE for the parasocioal crush becoming ACKNOWLEDGED AND RECIPROCATED BY DAV 😍 giggling and kicking my feet rn! 💕 Seriously tho this video was so healing in so many ways. Seeing how loving Dav and Bethany are towards each other brought me to tears :')
I am an agnostic Quaker in the FGC (the progressive conference mostly located on the east coast). We typically do unprogrammed, silent meeting for worship with benches that all face each other. People do stand and share if they feel moved to speak, but there is no humiliation kink involved (unless I’ve been missing the fun meetings) 🤣🤣
@@phi4721 From Wikipedia: "Quakers are people who belong to the Religious Society of Friends, a historically Protestant Christian set of denominations. Members of these movements ("the Friends") are generally united by a belief in each human's ability to experience the light within or "answering that of God in every one". Some profess a priesthood of all believers inspired by the First Epistle of Peter."
@@MountainPearls I grew up in Quaker community & I’ve always found it to be an incredibly welcoming and loving place (though obviously your mileage may vary depending on the meeting & conference). I’m trans and queer & my meeting has been affirming, and I’ve never felt the need to leave. There’s also a commitment to social justice in Quaker community that I really appreciated growing up & think has definitely shaped my activism as an adult. I love the testimonies of integrity, equality, stewardship, community, and simplicity, though the peace testimony is not always for me personally. I like that Quakerism isn’t so much an organized religion as a faith & is anti-hierarchical at its core. Like the LDS, the Society of Friends believes in continuing revelation, but anyone can receive it, because we all have “that of God” inside us (this is the idea of the “Spirit” moving someone to speak during Meeting for Worship). I’ve found that the Quaker idea of “that of God in everyone” works well with agnosticism and atheism, because it can be elided to “there is something good and worthwhile in every person.” In my experience, FGC Quakers are very open to people practicing multiple faiths and also attending meeting, or being non-religious entirely. I know that’s a lot, hope it helps!!
Just fyi, the hot seat cryptic thing is a Mennonite thing, not quaker. And quakers have 2 very different groups.... in the US there's a very puritanical version and in the uk it's a much more open non judgmental group.
I was STUNNED when Dav said he was thinking critically about the truth or not truth of religion, AND liked watching Sam and Tanner on Zelph On the Shelf! I’m thinking Dav should be an honorary ex-mormon.
I watched the full thing, it's honestly beautiful and made me cry at work lol plus I squealed at the mention of Costa Rica and that critic is pronounced "friend" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I'm amazed by Bethany's openness and understanding. It's a shame some of that never came through in any Girl Defined videos but I'm glad she's growing and willing to be vulnerable. I'm interested to hear more.
the delulu twins are back and more delulu🤣🤣🤣bet they are on fucking cloud 9 after the mutual parasocial obsession infatuation coming out party, this is about to be a BLAST
Omg if you told me a year ago I’d be crying to a video of Dave and Bethany talking about their marriage I wouldn’t have believed it. This is such a good vid I laughed I cried I screamed.
I was watching family feud last night and this got recommended to me randomly. I read a lot over on the fundie snark subreddit so I was interested. I paused 10 minutes in really confused and spent last night and this morning binging your videos. YOU GUYS ARE SO FUNNY and I'm glad I'm here for the Zelph x Dav and Bethany arc.
How will i ever explain the magnitude of watching/following girl defined since the codyko days to now?? The journey from one dimensional meme to being a nuanced, real human experiencing the universal trial of being alive. Like. i feel like we just entered a new internet age.
This is y'alls moment feels like i just watched you win an oscar, the chosen ones the final bosses of the fundie snark community for getting dav on side (know he loves fundie fridays too tho they are also final boss level)
Is this even real? But seriously, this series of events is a lesson in that kind and factual commentary and criticism leads to so much better results than unkind bashing, which just leads to more and more hate. You all managed to break the cycle!
I have been hooked on the Dav and Bethy saga for years and I was tryna explain to my partner everything that was going on and I just couldn't. This beautiful rabbit hole goes so deep 😹
This is the most meta fucking thing ever and I am HERE for it! Felt like my skin was the only thing keeping me from going everywhere at once. *screaming that goes on for some time*
Quakers don't sit in a circle to provoke/critique eachother lol, they sit silently in a circle meditating until someone is so moved to speak that their spirit "quakes", and then they share their truth. There's usually no verbal responses, just back to silent meditation. (I was a Quaker for a while on my way out of Christianity)
I really resonated with Bethany talking about her love for Dave and willingness to work through hard stuff. To borrow church lingo, she's showing so much grace, and do is Dave. They seem to be communicating super well and that's beautiful to see. Also lmao the Costa Rica shoutout 😂 y'all are awesome and this is awesome
I watched Jordan and McKay reacting to it and the whole time I was thinking, I can’t wait to see Sam and Tanner’s reaction! The next morning I woke up excited to talk about the whole thing until I remembered that no one in my real life cares about this and I’m not actually friends with any of you. 😭 but seriously how cute are they now?!?
@@abbywolf9701 over here being bi and suddenly wanting to be a third/unicorn to a fundie couple bahaha **editing to add I realise Dav isn't fundie anymore but my synapses haven't quite adjusted to recent developments detailed in this video 🤯
This video is such an emotional rollercoaster like I was crying when Bethany was talking about her love for Dav and the way I screamed when they started talking about Zelph 😭 Waiting for your collab guys cause natural blondes need to stick together
Honestly, -Zelph -Antibot -Godisgrey & Now -Bethany& Dav Are showing a way to bridge community divides ... Like, maybe we can be America again. Like, the pluralistic society we try to be
God is grey? You mean the woman who left the only woman of color invited from photos, made her feel uncomfortable and then doubled down and made multiple posts refusing accountability and then she completely changed her platform because she was called out for bigotry and had to make herself the victim? I would say making yourself a victim in a case where you’re called out for racist behavior, whether it was on purpose or not, is not bridging any gaps or helping any positive community. It’s actually doubling down on fundamentalism, showing that your goal was really proselytizing your own concepts and ideas and not actually doing the work.
@@Ravemclaw I think we should still give credit to P&M. Their video was also meaningful and helpful, especially since they included Dav and facilitated tough discussions. I don't share their views and didn't agree with some of the things they said on the video, but the video still definitely helped humanize all of them, especially Bethany.
@@vohol6158totally. and in general I also hold out hope that people can become more educated and empathic always. even those we may mark as “never”, I don’t think it’s entirely fair because people are people. we are imperfect. we make mistakes. but we can make good decisions too
100%@@tannergilliland3257 this is what the world needs - people building bridges and experiencing the joy and sense of community it can bring. Also, how wild must it be for Bethy to see so much love and rooting not only for Dav but also for her from people she thought wished evil on her. How especially mind boggling it must be to the probably very stark contrast to what she is likely getting from a lot of people in her own community 🤯😢
The part where Dave said he didn't want Christianity to be true because he couldn't find his footing in Christianity - that's the problem with religions that claim everything is "one size fits all." If there's anything in the universe beyond the physical world, then surely each person will relate to it differently. There can't possibly be just one path. 😊
I’m not a regular viewer, so the fact that I caught the last episode where you two joked about how awesome it would be if Dave referenced this channel…. Then I saw the video of Dave and Bethany and immediately I started cackling. This is a cosmic moment if ever I’ve witnessed one. I’m so happy to see this. For so many reasons.
Sam & Tanner, watching you both geeking out like fan boys is the most wholesome thing I've seen in ages! Congratulations on the Dav & Bethy shoutout, it is a genuine honor!!!
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I love your reaction to this. As soon as they mentioned Costa Rica I knew that they were talking about you guys! I nearly screamed!!! I couldn’t wait to see your reaction! I desperately wish I had the money to go…but especially if they go! I’ve gone through deconstruction too…although I wasn’t raised in a high demand religion (family are Episcopalian…it still wasn’t easy. They worry. It’s a process. But I never worried about loosing them and *most* friends). I’d love to speak with them both (especially as I live in an area where I may meet an open minded Christian I could fall in love with…most people here are at least somewhat religious…or spiritual.
Have you considered holding a lottery for a spot or two on the trip…any money made after the lottery (to go to cost of trip) could go to a charity for helping people get therapy for religious trauma? Who’ve left polygamy? (Teacher’s makes jack-sh*t…it’s so frustrating).
I have so much hope…regardless of where Bethany lands with this…that her heart and mind will go to accept LGBTQ people (etc). Maybe she’ll meet and befriend some, listen to their stories, etc. and sit with it. I know when I did, I learned a great deal. I’d hand her copies of Rachel Heald Evan’s books too (she was a friend I met after her 2nd book. We shared wine and spoke some after a conference during my deconstruction. I landed on one side and she landed in the Liberal Christian side). She was an AMAZING human being who is gone way too soon. So if Dav and Bethany see this…check her books out…especially Searching for Sunday. You may not agree with it all, but what she had today is incredibly beautiful. I know fairly Conservative Christians who love them, as well as agnostics and atheists. Her last book is pretty beautiful too. All are humorous and well written.
I once heard that true intelligence is the ability to change your mind on an issue when presented with new information. Clearly both are quite intelligent. And I’m rooting for them both…as well as their marriage! (I’ve never wanted to see them fail, just disagreed and found some content harmful.) While I’ve been skeptical about their marriage. I’m so glad they’ve (obviously) gotten therapy and depended the emotionally connection (which appears incredibly deep. There is no way they could act that. I doubt any Oscar award winning actor could). I may disagree with her on many issues, but she is a “ride or die” for Dav and I respect the hell out of that. I only hope I can find someone to have that sort of intimacy with! I hope we see more of this, mixed faith (with their kids privacy in mind) on their channel.
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I think Bethany is deconstructing
I really went from "we have to save Dav" to "I want what they have"
SAME 😂❤
tfw it's not sav Dav
I agree, I think Bethany has really shown herself to be a supportive and loving partner. And I feel like just watching her content or some of Dav’s comments separately have never really gotten this dynamic across so effectively as in this video.
Being able to deconstruct in a safe environment together, regardless of where they land, is the absolute best thing that someone in their position could hope for. I think it’s just lovely that they are continuing to hold to each other as they work through all of this. And I think however their faiths end up they will probably be healthier for having hashed these things out and redevoted themselves to each other in a non-conditional sort of way.
Same!!! I'm so happy for them (:
"what a gift for extremely online people"... I feel personally attached by this comment 😂
ITS ALL OF US WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER ✨
@@ZelphOntheShelf and this shows us we can share emotions on a parasocial level without it being a high demand group ❤
The hours I have spent…
🤣 When will we have a real-life?
Me af
This whole Dav saga has RUINED my efforts to reduce my screen time😂
Same! Lol
IKR 🤣!
Same 💀
The earth is healing.
Nature is healing, dolphins are back in the Venice canals
I’ve been saying 2024 is gonna be that year. I know terrible things are happening right now but I believe truly that it’s a peaking point for great change. Election year in America!!
One thing I love is hearing Bethany talk about what she wants. I think this is the first time we’ve heard her talk about it outside of the mindset of what God wants.
OMG YES
I didnt even think of it, but youre so right. I think this is the first time she is actually *wanting* something and expressing it
YES THIS
It’s so exciting!!
Bethany said she's deconstructed some of her thinking. I didn't realize until seeing it this time (1st time w/ J&M). Has anyone else remarked on that.....
There was honestly something so lovely about her saying “I like being a Christian” because it’s like for once I believe that she’s doing this because she want it
The way I was fist pumping and cheering when they name dropped y’all as if it was the fucking Super Bowl lmao
This is my superbowl 😭😭😭
my roman empire
Same my face went 🙂...😆😭🥹
OMG same
THE SCREAM THAT I SCRUMPT WHEN DAV SAID FRIENDS OMG
Hahahahaha scrumpt
You scrammed the scream 😂
“I only take feedback from the cryptic symbolism of my dreams”
Absolutely t-shirt worthy
❤❤❤
Very Night Vale podcast
Also this is such a triumph for you guys because it just PROVES that being empathetic and kind is what really gets through to people!! Absolute Zelph win
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This is what cult experts say. Kindness can plant the seeds. Also talking about different beliefs and kindly asking for them to explain theirs. I’ve so many stories of people watch Mormon, Scientology, flds, and on and on. stuff and they come to see the similarities in their group.
I keep thinking about some other UA-cam channels that do reaction content to Beth and dav who never could have gotten to this point bc they have so much vitriol and bitterness
I said this on Jordan and McKay's video, but Dav and Bethany seem so much more relaxed with each other and especially THEMSELVES. I'm honestly so happy for them. I mean, physical affection?!!
I never expected Bethany Beal to become a shining example of what unconditional love looks like in a mixed faith relationship. I'm so excited to see where they're headed, I think it's going to be something incredibly beautiful.
I feel like I just witnessed a historical event
Canon event for sure
forver to be known as “you just did it with an atheist”
Getting a like from Zelph themselph was the dopamine hit I needed
@sallylyle7551 for real! They even reposted your response on their instagram story! =)
"If you've just gotten here, I don't even know how to catch you up, you're on your own" dying of laughter lol
If there isn’t a collab, the audience will have to sue for emotional damage
"i think it's pronounced 'friend.'" ♥️🥺♥️
Think I lost a bit of my mind on that one… Sweet baby Dav knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. What a hecking ruckus. 😩
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First step: Zelph on the Shelf with Dav and Bethany. Next step: 10 hour conversation with John Dehlin about Dav's deconstruction and Bethany's sex journey.
😂 that classic pipeline
This heck yes!
@mormonstories podcast please!!
Omg this would be amazing!!!
Yes yes yeassss!
I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED IT BUT NOW I ABSOLUTELY DO!!
Bethany has deconstructed so much, she’s gone from feeling complete antipathy towards atheists to bring in love with one despite of the fact.. and then announcing it publicly. In old videos with Dav and you can really see the cloud of shame and isolation that not being true to himself cast over him. You can see that a weight has been lifted of him. He seems so happy, free and authentic. I really do hope they work through it together but whether or not they are still together in 10 years time it’s clear they have so much love for each other. You can tell they have a love that goes to the core of who they each are as people, which is rare to experience.
Dav mentioning you guys made me so giddy I had to take a min (okay more like a day) to collect myself, I cant wait for the collab!! (it’s inevitable, right?)
The amount of lore behind this video is kinda crazy
loremongers everywhere rejoice!
No one in my life understands 😭
We do,@@toriiiiiiiiiiiiiii
This video is blowing my mind with how sweet and open the whole thing is. I laughed, I cried, I got the chills, I called my mom and told her I loved her, WOW!!
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My own journey hate-following Girl Defined and then Bethany and Dav has been years long and it's absolutely jaw dropping to have reached a point where I'm a better person because THEY are striving to be better people. Never in a million years could I have anticipated practicing empathy with Bethany and Dav. What a world we live in. And thank you to you both for facilitating this (often comedic and adventurous) journey for me in the past year because I wouldn't have known how developed this story had become without you. I feel like I'm going to wake up tomorrow questioning if this even happened because I've joked about it for so long but didn't have the "faith" that fundamental change was occurring.
Why am I so excited like I’m on Zelph on the Shelf? ❤
It’s been a very parasocial week haha
Oh I'm FEELING the parasocial vibes rn goodness it's been awhile
I feel so connected to Bethany in this video she seems so real when compared to her usual content like they seem completely different. I wish I could see this Bethany all the time
😅 This made me smile!
It’s all for you Bethany 🙈💖✨
This video, and Bethany and Dav's, have a serious antidepressant effect. Can't remember the last time I felt genuinely giddy like this
@Bethany_Beal thank you so much for your openness, compassion and vulnerability! 💜🌻💜
We need more of this in this world and seeing the growth in you is giving me so much hope I never thought I would have!
We are rooting for both of you and absolutely adore watching you building bridges - especially considering how hard this must be on your end.
I truly hope that the love, respect and compassion you see on here is reflected in your community and that we all come out on the other side of this as more accepting people - making this world a better place for everyone in it.
From the bottom of my heart: thank you, Bethy! 💜🌻💜
- Sincerely,
a Level 1 critic who absolutely loves all of this
Bethany, I have always resided in the commentary side of UA-cam and only knew of you through weird hate-filled rants about a "crazy, harmful Mormon lady ruining children on the internet". Finding this channel recently and hearing Sam and Tanner approach you with such empathy really turned around my view 180°. This video in particular had me routing for you and your family in a way I cannot describe and more importantly humanized you. I was completely giddy with joy through this entire story arc and am so much better off because of it ❤
You two are completely unhinged, and I've never loved anything more. My face hurts from laughing. 🤣
💖💖💖💖💖💖💖!
No truer comment has ever been made. I laughed for 2 minutes straight!
I watched the Dav and Bethy video and then watched your reaction video because of Dav’s recommendation, now I get to watch your reaction! What a roller coaster
😂 it’s all so absurd
Welcome ❤. It's a safe space here. It's about live and let live 😊👍✨
Welcome! We're happy to have you here ^_^
When he said Costa Rica i lost my shittttt ❤❤❤❤❤
I’m new to all this what is the lore with Costa Rica?
@@user-hy5se4dw9bzelph is doing a trip to Costa Rica later this year.
Watching all these videos at 9 am on a friday is giving "your unemployed friend" energy
omg same! unemployed and watching this video at 9am on a friday
Me watching all these videos at work🫣
As someone who got sucked down the Girl Defined rabbit hole for a year as a teenager (and has thankfully recovered) this is just SO heartwarming and amazing!
Even though it was in the title I NEVER EXPECTED THEM TO NOT ONLY MENTION YOU BUT SPEND SEVERAL MINUTES TALKING ABOUT YOU AND PRAISING YOU I was literally screaming and laughing and crying right along with you. We’ve all speculated about Dav’s deconstruction so that didn’t surprise me, but seeing Bethany so real and raw and supportive and with so much emotional intelligence and LOVE really touched me in a way I never thought possible from her. I’m tempted to watch this entire video again 😂
Watch Jordan and McKay's reaction. Jordan talks about their communication about this being so good. It was delightful
Yes, I second this!@@purpleprose78
This has absolutely nothing to do with me and yet I am the happiest I've ever been in my life
Hahahaha yes
Why is this so true
WE ARE SO SUCCEEDING AT BEING NORMAL ABOUT THIS
NOBODY KNOWS WE’RE FREAKING OUT ON THE INSIDE
nah, it's good to show these pure, beautiful and authentic emotions - It's what makes it so special and touching 🥰
Holy shit, what an inception trip. Ingesting as parasocial, watching parasocial connect a parasocial reciprocation... mind- bending.
On the verge of tears rn bc I’m so filled with joy for Dav and Bethany and the strength of their love and commitment to be able to remain together even as Dav basically sheds everything they previously stood for. It’s incredible to see the beautiful woman Bethany has been underneath her conditioning. The strength she has to unlearn such harmful thought processes is astounding. This entire journey is proof that people very rarely intend to hurt others, and those who have can truly learn and change. Sorry to wax poetic in such a parasocial way, I’m just in awe :)))
My deconstruction from Mormonism was more like pulling out a foundational Jenga block (Joseph Smith), watching the whole tower come crashing down, then meticulously inspecting the rubble, block by block, and realizing that they absolutely needed to fall.
I love this visual. Brilliant!
I was just telling my friend about my process using that analogy. I said some of the early questioning was removing blocks and it maybe wavered but didn't fall. But at a point, I pulled a foundational block and everything tumbled down
What was that foundational block for you? Was it an incident, a person, information?
@@daydream1329 it was being pushed aside in a ministry position bc a completely unqualified person wanted to do it and they were a man, so I was told to "know my place". I had been questioning other things for years but that toppled the stack
There is one part I really liked, and it's at around the 40 minute mark. I like the language Bethany is choosing to use. She's saying she has so much "confidence" they are supposed to be together, and gonna be fine loving each other, etc. I really like that she uses the word confidence and isn't saying "I know we're supposed to be together" and other Christian/Mormon testimony like language. It feels so much healthier.
Confidence is evidence based, faith is not
Wait until Bethany discovers claymation Sam & Tanner 😂
😂😂 oh no
I never tuned into Girl Defined, I had never seen Bethany and Dav together, and I had never seen this channel UNTIL 24 Hours With. I’ve also been living in the comments section and absolutely living for these reaction videos. I LOVE Dav and Bethany together and I seriously hope there is a collab because you two are such a hoot! I need all y’all together!
I’m an Orthodox Christian, so I’m probably a misfit here, but I subscribed!
Yay misfits!!!!! 💖💖💖
Welcome we are all misfits one way or another 💗
@@RestorewithAlishaKc Awh love that! 💕
Welcome!!! Let’s normalize loving misfits with different beliefs. Here for it.
Welcome to our lil interfaith family where how we treat each other is so much more important than what we believe 🥰
i can't believe how vulnerable Dav and Bethany were to make this video. this is an example of pure love. this literally to me inspires me MORE than the "picture perfect christian couple" way more real, honest, vulnerable, inspiring
sometimes the internet sucks but other times we get to be taken on a beautiful journey of love, friendship, faith, openness, and embracing authenticity. thank you sam and tanner for continuing to cheer all of us up! -level 1 critic
Seeing Bethany as herself makes me like her! She should just do a UA-cam channel as herself! She’s so sweet! 🥹
The fact that we all cried when Bethany cried 😭
💯💯💯😭
If Bethany and Dav go on the Costa Rica trip, we’re gonna need pics, I lost it when Dav said Costa Rica 😂
I am SO HERE for the parasocioal crush becoming ACKNOWLEDGED AND RECIPROCATED BY DAV 😍
giggling and kicking my feet rn! 💕
Seriously tho this video was so healing in so many ways. Seeing how loving Dav and Bethany are towards each other brought me to tears :')
I am an agnostic Quaker in the FGC (the progressive conference mostly located on the east coast). We typically do unprogrammed, silent meeting for worship with benches that all face each other. People do stand and share if they feel moved to speak, but there is no humiliation kink involved (unless I’ve been missing the fun meetings) 🤣🤣
I have a question. Have you found Community there? What is your motivation to go? As a deconstructed Christian/Agnostic woman, I’ve considered going.
What's a Quaker?
@@phi4721 From Wikipedia: "Quakers are people who belong to the Religious Society of Friends, a historically Protestant Christian set of denominations. Members of these movements ("the Friends") are generally united by a belief in each human's ability to experience the light within or "answering that of God in every one". Some profess a priesthood of all believers inspired by the First Epistle of Peter."
@@MountainPearls I grew up in Quaker community & I’ve always found it to be an incredibly welcoming and loving place (though obviously your mileage may vary depending on the meeting & conference). I’m trans and queer & my meeting has been affirming, and I’ve never felt the need to leave. There’s also a commitment to social justice in Quaker community that I really appreciated growing up & think has definitely shaped my activism as an adult.
I love the testimonies of integrity, equality, stewardship, community, and simplicity, though the peace testimony is not always for me personally. I like that Quakerism isn’t so much an organized religion as a faith & is anti-hierarchical at its core.
Like the LDS, the Society of Friends believes in continuing revelation, but anyone can receive it, because we all have “that of God” inside us (this is the idea of the “Spirit” moving someone to speak during Meeting for Worship). I’ve found that the Quaker idea of “that of God in everyone” works well with agnosticism and atheism, because it can be elided to “there is something good and worthwhile in every person.” In my experience, FGC Quakers are very open to people practicing multiple faiths and also attending meeting, or being non-religious entirely.
I know that’s a lot, hope it helps!!
Just fyi, the hot seat cryptic thing is a Mennonite thing, not quaker. And quakers have 2 very different groups.... in the US there's a very puritanical version and in the uk it's a much more open non judgmental group.
IVE WAITED ALL DAY FOR THIS
SAME!!!
SAME!
I feel like we’re witnessing history.
I never had ANY of this on my bingo card.
Watching a second time, no regerts
I saw it when I was watching UA-cam with my partner when this went up and I just said “ugh unfortunately the lore is too deep for you to start here”
I was STUNNED when Dav said he was thinking critically about the truth or not truth of religion, AND liked watching Sam and Tanner on Zelph On the Shelf!
I’m thinking Dav should be an honorary ex-mormon.
I watched the full thing, it's honestly beautiful and made me cry at work lol plus I squealed at the mention of Costa Rica and that critic is pronounced "friend" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
🥹🥹💖
This is all too iconic. I'm reeling, I'm gasping, I'm passing out. The T SHIRTS.
I'm amazed by Bethany's openness and understanding. It's a shame some of that never came through in any Girl Defined videos but I'm glad she's growing and willing to be vulnerable. I'm interested to hear more.
the delulu twins are back and more delulu🤣🤣🤣bet they are on fucking cloud 9 after the mutual parasocial obsession infatuation coming out party, this is about to be a BLAST
Watching to Bethany holding space for Dav and being a supportive partner with tears filling my eyes: What is happening right now?!?
Omg if you told me a year ago I’d be crying to a video of Dave and Bethany talking about their marriage I wouldn’t have believed it. This is such a good vid I laughed I cried I screamed.
Now this is my roman empire, I've been living this entire thing for days and I'm so here for it. Costa rica friend pilgrimage whomst??!
I’m obsessed.
ME-MST!
I was watching family feud last night and this got recommended to me randomly. I read a lot over on the fundie snark subreddit so I was interested. I paused 10 minutes in really confused and spent last night and this morning binging your videos. YOU GUYS ARE SO FUNNY and I'm glad I'm here for the Zelph x Dav and Bethany arc.
Im absolutely LIVING for my parasocial relationship with y'all and your parasocial relationship with Dav and Bethy
They're really out here having a parasocial double date afsfsffs
"Who has been speculating?" 14:34
Me, a professional internet speculator with too much time on her hands: 😎
How will i ever explain the magnitude of watching/following girl defined since the codyko days to now?? The journey from one dimensional meme to being a nuanced, real human experiencing the universal trial of being alive. Like. i feel like we just entered a new internet age.
A Dav/Bethany Zelph collaboration is my new second coming
I didn’t know you two existed 3 days ago and you’re already my Davs
💕💕💕
can’t sleep until the Zelph and Dav collab
So happy to have the same excited stim as Tanner and Sam. A win for parasocial relationships everywhere
This is y'alls moment feels like i just watched you win an oscar, the chosen ones the final bosses of the fundie snark community for getting dav on side (know he loves fundie fridays too tho they are also final boss level)
Hahahaha
What do I even watch after this. Nothing will give me as much joy tonight than this video.
Just watch it again!!!
The Jordan & McKay video and comments underneath is also very heartwarming and has interesting insights from a couple therapist's viewpoint :)
When you're so deeply entrenched in the Paul Morgan/Dave Bethany cinematic universe you listen to Billy Joel now 😅
😂😂😂
I'm obsessed but hey, helps the algorithm. LOOK how Bethany has grown from "don't look at my man" to "I get it" OMG Googlie eyes
Is this even real? But seriously, this series of events is a lesson in that kind and factual commentary and criticism leads to so much better results than unkind bashing, which just leads to more and more hate. You all managed to break the cycle!
Yes, this is so beautiful! * _ *
I have been hooked on the Dav and Bethy saga for years and I was tryna explain to my partner everything that was going on and I just couldn't. This beautiful rabbit hole goes so deep 😹
This is the most meta fucking thing ever and I am HERE for it! Felt like my skin was the only thing keeping me from going everywhere at once. *screaming that goes on for some time*
glad we’re all experiencing these symptoms together 😂😂😂
100%@@tannergilliland3257 this is wild and my clinically depressed ass is living for it!
Thank you!!
Really, really really feel for Dav here. The shelf is real and it's hard. I believe in Dav and Bethany though and im rooting for them.
Quakers don't sit in a circle to provoke/critique eachother lol, they sit silently in a circle meditating until someone is so moved to speak that their spirit "quakes", and then they share their truth. There's usually no verbal responses, just back to silent meditation. (I was a Quaker for a while on my way out of Christianity)
Is this what they do in fleabag season 2
I only found you guys because of this Dav and Bethany thing. You guys are flipping hilarious.😂
SOMEONE GIVE THIS MAN A PLATFORM TO TELL HIS DECONSTRUCTION STORY
Omg can we all have a little parasociality today? Like as a treat? Cus Bethy and Dav w/ Zelph on the Shelf is where my dopamine's at today
I really resonated with Bethany talking about her love for Dave and willingness to work through hard stuff. To borrow church lingo, she's showing so much grace, and do is Dave. They seem to be communicating super well and that's beautiful to see.
Also lmao the Costa Rica shoutout 😂 y'all are awesome and this is awesome
I watched Jordan and McKay reacting to it and the whole time I was thinking, I can’t wait to see Sam and Tanner’s reaction! The next morning I woke up excited to talk about the whole thing until I remembered that no one in my real life cares about this and I’m not actually friends with any of you. 😭 but seriously how cute are they now?!?
Oh my GOD I just watched The Antibot’s video and I CANNOT stop crying 😭😭😭
I've been dying for this video to come out, literally checking every half hour since I saw the Bethany and Dav video 😭 Where did my life go
FORGET YOUR LIFE YOU HAVE A NEW ONE NOW
@@ZelphOntheShelf Born again
To the same magical place as a lot of our's * _ * Welcome to "real change is possible, even where you least expected it" 💜
Can we talk about how beautiful and shiny Bethy’s hair looks?? I’m so jealous lol
I knowwww I thought that the whole time haha
@@ZelphOntheShelfhonestly this is the start of a weirdly intense crush on Bethany I think 😅
@@abbywolf9701 over here being bi and suddenly wanting to be a third/unicorn to a fundie couple bahaha
**editing to add I realise Dav isn't fundie anymore but my synapses haven't quite adjusted to recent developments detailed in this video 🤯
@@stephe1506 for real!! Never thought I’d be watching a video of FOUR PEOPLE and having a crush on every single one Individually
@@abbywolf9701this is so real 😂
This video is such an emotional rollercoaster like I was crying when Bethany was talking about her love for Dav and the way I screamed when they started talking about Zelph 😭 Waiting for your collab guys cause natural blondes need to stick together
Wow, I did not expect to tear up. This was so lovely. I really hope that collab happens!! 🤍
I was literally spazzing out watching this video. I cannot believe it
What a chain of events
This whole thing made my week.
The minute Dav said "Costa Rica" I screamed
This whole saga has been the most rewarding thing to ever come out of my deep dive into exmo/fundie content, thanks y'all
Was cut out in this video because it wasn't important at all, but Dav's impression of Paul near the start was hilarious!
I think the term deconstruction has gotten more well-known in just the last few years. I began "deconstructing" long before I ever heard the term.
This is my Superbowl🎉
This is what "holding space" looks like 👏👏👏👏
Honestly,
-Zelph
-Antibot
-Godisgrey
& Now
-Bethany& Dav
Are showing a way to bridge community divides ...
Like, maybe we can be America again. Like, the pluralistic society we try to be
More “bridging the divide” than Paul and Morgan could ever hope to do.
God is grey? You mean the woman who left the only woman of color invited from photos, made her feel uncomfortable and then doubled down and made multiple posts refusing accountability and then she completely changed her platform because she was called out for bigotry and had to make herself the victim?
I would say making yourself a victim in a case where you’re called out for racist behavior, whether it was on purpose or not, is not bridging any gaps or helping any positive community. It’s actually doubling down on fundamentalism, showing that your goal was really proselytizing your own concepts and ideas and not actually doing the work.
@@Ravemclaw I think we should still give credit to P&M. Their video was also meaningful and helpful, especially since they included Dav and facilitated tough discussions. I don't share their views and didn't agree with some of the things they said on the video, but the video still definitely helped humanize all of them, especially Bethany.
@@vohol6158totally. and in general I also hold out hope that people can become more educated and empathic always. even those we may mark as “never”, I don’t think it’s entirely fair because people are people. we are imperfect. we make mistakes. but we can make good decisions too
Gotta fix the social inequities and education systems first
This is how it feels when your ship becomes canon.
I am so adrenalized right now. What a love high. Please please bring the t-shirts.
glad we’re all experiencing this together ❤❤❤
100%@@tannergilliland3257 this is what the world needs - people building bridges and experiencing the joy and sense of community it can bring.
Also, how wild must it be for Bethy to see so much love and rooting not only for Dav but also for her from people she thought wished evil on her.
How especially mind boggling it must be to the probably very stark contrast to what she is likely getting from a lot of people in her own community 🤯😢
I laughed way too hard at "whomst there it is"
Me too, random internet person. Me too.
I was fangirling vicariously while watching your reactions :)
Tanner falling off the chair @50:14 was everything
The part where Dave said he didn't want Christianity to be true because he couldn't find his footing in Christianity - that's the problem with religions that claim everything is "one size fits all." If there's anything in the universe beyond the physical world, then surely each person will relate to it differently. There can't possibly be just one path. 😊
The montage of the t shirts!!!!
58:07 is so true I can't stress enough how much I appreciate the way you treat the people you react to with kindness and respect.
I love how clear it is from the beginning of their video that Bethany and Dav are so much more emotionally close 🥰 They've come so far together!
I’m not a regular viewer, so the fact that I caught the last episode where you two joked about how awesome it would be if Dave referenced this channel…. Then I saw the video of Dave and Bethany and immediately I started cackling. This is a cosmic moment if ever I’ve witnessed one. I’m so happy to see this. For so many reasons.
Sam & Tanner, watching you both geeking out like fan boys is the most wholesome thing I've seen in ages!
Congratulations on the Dav & Bethy shoutout, it is a genuine honor!!!