All that would do is make the penny pinching teams spend more on their cheaper players to fill out the roster. A team like Pittsburgh wouldn't all of the sudden be in on someone like Ohtani if they had to have a 110 mil roster instead of a 75 All it would do is increase the salary of someone like Bryan Reynolds. Good for the players but doesnt really change much
@@GoPhilsBirdsSixasAndFlyas I'm not really for a cap limit either but it would probably make it not not possible for a team like the Dodgers who already are paying Betts and Freeman, to be a contender for Ohtani. It shouldnt be possible for a team to do what the Dodgers did and defer that much $$ to Ohtani 15 years after he retires. I know that teams have always been able to do that but its a little different now when players are making so much. To me, the floor wouldnt change much either in free agency or those lesser spending teams competing.
It getting to the point its not interesting anymore for a lot of fans they have given up. Not only do they need an NFL style cap they need to equally share all TV revenue like the NFL does. That's the main issue. Dodgers being able to sign two 100 mill + FA is just absurd. Not only do they need a cap but a FA spending cap as well, Its bad for baseball if all the major stars end up on two or three teams. FA need to be put in tiers or categories.
Ohtani and Yamamoto alone have higher salaries than 11 teams entire rosters. Baseball is a broken game. It's just not really fun to watch a game when you know from the outset that at least half the teams have absolutely zero chance of winning.
Exaclty shit is so annoying just watched a royals vs Yankees game and we got absolutely fucking smoked bc it’s just hit after hit after hit because they have so much fucking talent it makes it unenjoyable
We need a salary floor, not a salary cap. We cannot ever feel bad for BILLIONAIRES not wanting to spend money. As a reminder, most of these owners don't even spend when it comes to new and enhanced stadiums. They are ALL rich.
Marlins weren't a good example, but i definitely get what you're going for. Btw I'm for a salary cap, if it means we can get rid of these God awful uniform advertisements.
We have terrible owners who never spend. When we restart from nothing they then trade our best players cause they don’t want to spend to keep them. Let an alone make a postseason run. We Marlin fans are cursed with this every year
A salary cap would come with a salary floor. Not only would it motivate those teams to spend more but it would literally force them too. The whole point of a salary cap/floor system is to increase parity and base player salaries off the average revenue of the entire league. That way the top free agent stars don't keep signing with the same teams over and over again. The players actually get more money with a salary cap/floor system. The highest paid players might get a little less but the lower paid players end up getting a lot more so players as a whole benefit more than they do now. It would also increase revenue overall because fans of every team would feel like they have a chance to win at the beginning of the season and actually show up to games since every team will spend around the same amount of money. That's going to bring more money in overall because now close to half the league can't get fans to show up because they know they can't outbid the Yankees/Dodgers/Mets etc. With a cap/floor system it makes it a level playing field and no team would be able to outbid the other teams every year and no team would be able to just refuse to spend money. Every single MLB team would have to spend around half of the average MLB team revenue on players every year. Now of course some teams will still fail because they paid too much for a bad player and some teams will win because a great player chose to take less money to play for that team in particular or because the player they signed ended up doing much better than everyone thought. That's a fair way to win games though. Winning by just outbidding everyone every year is just bad for any sport and it disincentives the lower teams from spending at all. A revenue based cap/floor system would not only level the playing field but it would also force teams like the A's, Marlins, Guardians, Rays, Royals, Reds, etc. to spend well over $160M every single season. The players don't lose in that situation. The only people who lose are fans of teams who only win by jacking up their payroll. The fans of teams who don't spend will win though as will the players and owners together as a whole. The only people who should against a cap/floor system are fans of teams who exploit the fact it doesn't exist to buy wins. At that point it's an opinion based on extreme bias and the only reason they don't want it to exist is because their favorite team is one of the few who benefits from exploiting that fact. Outside of that the only players who might lose anything are the very top highest paid players in the game. They might lose a little bit of money but they will still be the highest paid in the game and to make up for it all the players who are a tier below them will make A LOT more money because the cheaper teams would now be *forced* to bid on players and spend every year. So a cap/floor system might hurt 10% of the teams, 10% of the players and 10% of the fans but it would really help 90% of the teams, 90% of the players and 90% of the fans. Those top 10% are still going to be the best though so it's not like they will stop watching or playing. The bottom %90 percent would gain a lot more active fans though which would bring more revenue into the sport and raise both the cap and the floor every single season. A high tide raises all ships.
@@samuelsandate9804 The owners have already offered to agree to a floor as long as the players agree to a cap. The owners are amicable to both as long as they are used together like every other professional sports league. It's the players association that turned it down. It's the players who would rather have no floor and no cap while the owners want both. They only work if they are used together. When teams are cheap you can thank the players for that for not agreeing to a cap/floor system that every other sport uses. So you are half right. The players won't agree to a cap. A floor can only be used effectively with a cap though and the owners have already offered that but the players turned it down. You can't say the owners won't agree to a floor when they literally put it in writing and offered it to the players in a cap/ "floor* proposal. Cap/floor based off revenue is the best and most fair way to run any league and the owners offered it. The players as a whole would've actually got more money that way.
From what I understand the money MLB collects from the luxury tax is split. Half of it goes to a fund for retired players. The other half is to be split among the teams that did not go over the spending limit. If I was an owner of one the teams that never goes over the spending limit I wouldn’t want to get rid of the luxury tax. I am getting free money from the teams who are paying the luxury tax.
The salary cap is stupid and won't be agreed by the players. Tell me how it's worked out in the NFL, with a Patriots dynasty and now teh Chiefs trying to do the same thing.
Its also why GB and Buffalo can win. Patriots had to be creative and could not just endlessly spend. Chiefs are going to have a harder time because of the price of salaries has gone up in recent years more then the overall salary cap. The Cap in the NHL has saved about 1/2 the teams in Canada that were on the verge of bankruptcy. It will help the balance.
@@scotttild Win what? Bills haven't won a Superbowl or reached one and part of it is because the Chiefs are in their way. We don't see that kind of dominance in baseball that Patriots had and the one the Chiefs have had recently.
NO. Shohei alone got me and millions watching MLB again. He is literally bringing fans from around the world to watch American baseball. He alone probably saved MLB
But the only teams that can get Ohtani and literally every star player are the teams with money. The Yankees and Dodgers have lopsided advantages just because they're based in an area most people live in, regardless if they're stupid or not
Cardinals have more rings than the Dodgers but now they have zero chance to win again. BTW the Lakers were REPEAT TITLE WINNERS IN 2009 and 2010. Also why are you showing a picture of AD & LBJ?
Research has shown time and again that salary caps do nothing to increase competitive balance within a given sport. Not only were they not implemented to ensure such a thing, but the exact opposite. They only ever came into existence so owners did not have to spend more than they wanted. Rule number one to becoming wealthy: Those who have money, and lots of it, get there by finding the shrewdest ways to not spend said money.
I call bull. The NFL system is the reason why teams in GB, and Buffalo actually have a chance every year. The only reason the NHL teams in Canada survived was because they went to a hard cap and new economic system, prior to that half the teams in Canada were facing bankruptcy. NBA has a wonky system that is not really a cap.
The amount of money those guys make is despicable. It really pisses me off when some stupid announcer says "he's worth every penny". Try telling that to someone in the military, a surgeon, a cop, a fireman, a teacher, etc.
ever heard of something called supply and demand. when those people can do what these athletes do they will earn that money. people are paying for entertainment...not saying i agree with the insane amount of money they make but its just basic economics and calling for the military to make what they make is just silly
As a Cubs Fan. We need a salary cap. Yes it can hurt us since we are a big market team but thats the problem, People are being signed and it's unfair to many others. Don't believe me? LOOK AT THE DODGERS. HELLO? They signed two Japanese pitchers for 1.2 BILLION. How can the NL West be fair with that? The Dodgers are signing literally the best players every year and nobody does a thing, believing they can beat them in the playoffs. Well how about get them out of there then? Cause this is going out of hand. We need a Salary Cap. It can stop the LA Dodgers.
The dodgers stop the dodgers from winning it all. Baseball is different from other sports because imo it requires more luck/external factors, than the others and there are more injuries so not all will play for the season. Take a look at the diamondbacks, nobody thought that they would sweep the dodgers and take out the Harper and Turner. I don’t think that there needs to be a salary cap, maybe some restriction but no cap
Can't have the guys busting their asses on the field getting paid. The only guys getting filthy rich should be the executives who don't even know what a shortstop is.
Hello? the dodgers literally got swept by the 84 win diamondbacks in 2023 and got beat by the 89 win padres in 2022, two other nl west teams, they arent unstoppable even if they spend over 300M in a season. The mets, yankees, and padres in 2023 had the largest payrolls and none of them made the playoffs. The rays and orioles has some of the lowest payrolls and won around 100 games. You literally cant predict baseball, would anyone have guessed the diamondbacks to sweep the dodgers and beat the big money phillies with harper, turner, schwarber and castellanos? Nothing is "unfair" about the dodgers spending a lot of money, literally any team could do that if they had an owner willing to dish it out, mlb doesnt need slaary cap at all not even once
@@florenceicuAnd look at the NFL with a salary cap. We just a Patriots dynasty and now the Chiefs are trying to do the same thing. I'm sorry, but people need to smarten up and stop fooling themselves with that stupid idea that the salary cap will actually make things better.
A lot of the older owners aren’t billionaires without the teams valuation while new owners made several billions before buying a team which is the case for most big city teams. Plus when small markets get money from the bigger teams spending, the owners just pocket it.
How about a salary floor since the owners can spend, they just don’t want to
They need one, period
And now we got a World Series match up that proves we need one.
Exactly
A cap? No. A floor? Absolutely.
Both, if say the Kansas City Royals felt they had an honest shot at signing big names, they most certainly would
@@michaelkilbride6420 not sure if they did think so but they signed a lot of average-solid players + extended their superstar SS
All that would do is make the penny pinching teams spend more on their cheaper players to fill out the roster. A team like Pittsburgh wouldn't all of the sudden be in on someone like Ohtani if they had to have a 110 mil roster instead of a 75
All it would do is increase the salary of someone like Bryan Reynolds. Good for the players but doesnt really change much
@@NothingToPointOut24 Yea well what better would a Cap do for said teams?
@@GoPhilsBirdsSixasAndFlyas I'm not really for a cap limit either but it would probably make it not not possible for a team like the Dodgers who already are paying Betts and Freeman, to be a contender for Ohtani.
It shouldnt be possible for a team to do what the Dodgers did and defer that much $$ to Ohtani 15 years after he retires. I know that teams have always been able to do that but its a little different now when players are making so much.
To me, the floor wouldnt change much either in free agency or those lesser spending teams competing.
Absolutely needs one. Anyone saying otherwise is from California or New York.
Im a Mets from NYC and I 100% agree. Spending egregious amounts of money for what?
It getting to the point its not interesting anymore for a lot of fans they have given up. Not only do they need an NFL style cap they need to equally share all TV revenue like the NFL does. That's the main issue. Dodgers being able to sign two 100 mill + FA is just absurd. Not only do they need a cap but a FA spending cap as well, Its bad for baseball if all the major stars end up on two or three teams. FA need to be put in tiers or categories.
Ohtani and Yamamoto alone have higher salaries than 11 teams entire rosters. Baseball is a broken game. It's just not really fun to watch a game when you know from the outset that at least half the teams have absolutely zero chance of winning.
Exaclty shit is so annoying just watched a royals vs Yankees game and we got absolutely fucking smoked bc it’s just hit after hit after hit because they have so much fucking talent it makes it unenjoyable
We need a salary floor, not a salary cap. We cannot ever feel bad for BILLIONAIRES not wanting to spend money. As a reminder, most of these owners don't even spend when it comes to new and enhanced stadiums. They are ALL rich.
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Marlins weren't a good example, but i definitely get what you're going for.
Btw I'm for a salary cap, if it means we can get rid of these God awful uniform advertisements.
We have terrible owners who never spend. When we restart from nothing they then trade our best players cause they don’t want to spend to keep them. Let an alone make a postseason run. We Marlin fans are cursed with this every year
Exodus 20:7
No cap.
Yeah. A salary cap will motivate the Marlins, Athletics, Pirates, White Sox, Guardians, Rays and others to spend more money 😂
That's stupid. No owner should be forced to spend. Apparently you haven't seen how many bad contracts they are in baseball.
@@samuelsandate9804 ok 🤣
A salary cap would come with a salary floor. Not only would it motivate those teams to spend more but it would literally force them too. The whole point of a salary cap/floor system is to increase parity and base player salaries off the average revenue of the entire league. That way the top free agent stars don't keep signing with the same teams over and over again. The players actually get more money with a salary cap/floor system. The highest paid players might get a little less but the lower paid players end up getting a lot more so players as a whole benefit more than they do now. It would also increase revenue overall because fans of every team would feel like they have a chance to win at the beginning of the season and actually show up to games since every team will spend around the same amount of money. That's going to bring more money in overall because now close to half the league can't get fans to show up because they know they can't outbid the Yankees/Dodgers/Mets etc. With a cap/floor system it makes it a level playing field and no team would be able to outbid the other teams every year and no team would be able to just refuse to spend money. Every single MLB team would have to spend around half of the average MLB team revenue on players every year. Now of course some teams will still fail because they paid too much for a bad player and some teams will win because a great player chose to take less money to play for that team in particular or because the player they signed ended up doing much better than everyone thought. That's a fair way to win games though. Winning by just outbidding everyone every year is just bad for any sport and it disincentives the lower teams from spending at all. A revenue based cap/floor system would not only level the playing field but it would also force teams like the A's, Marlins, Guardians, Rays, Royals, Reds, etc. to spend well over $160M every single season. The players don't lose in that situation. The only people who lose are fans of teams who only win by jacking up their payroll. The fans of teams who don't spend will win though as will the players and owners together as a whole. The only people who should against a cap/floor system are fans of teams who exploit the fact it doesn't exist to buy wins. At that point it's an opinion based on extreme bias and the only reason they don't want it to exist is because their favorite team is one of the few who benefits from exploiting that fact. Outside of that the only players who might lose anything are the very top highest paid players in the game. They might lose a little bit of money but they will still be the highest paid in the game and to make up for it all the players who are a tier below them will make A LOT more money because the cheaper teams would now be *forced* to bid on players and spend every year. So a cap/floor system might hurt 10% of the teams, 10% of the players and 10% of the fans but it would really help 90% of the teams, 90% of the players and 90% of the fans. Those top 10% are still going to be the best though so it's not like they will stop watching or playing. The bottom %90 percent would gain a lot more active fans though which would bring more revenue into the sport and raise both the cap and the floor every single season. A high tide raises all ships.
@@matthew01234 BS. The owners won't agree to a floor and players don't want a salary cap.
@@samuelsandate9804 The owners have already offered to agree to a floor as long as the players agree to a cap. The owners are amicable to both as long as they are used together like every other professional sports league. It's the players association that turned it down. It's the players who would rather have no floor and no cap while the owners want both. They only work if they are used together. When teams are cheap you can thank the players for that for not agreeing to a cap/floor system that every other sport uses. So you are half right. The players won't agree to a cap. A floor can only be used effectively with a cap though and the owners have already offered that but the players turned it down. You can't say the owners won't agree to a floor when they literally put it in writing and offered it to the players in a cap/ "floor* proposal. Cap/floor based off revenue is the best and most fair way to run any league and the owners offered it. The players as a whole would've actually got more money that way.
MLB has “luxury tax” which makes more sense for MLB structure.
From what I understand the money MLB collects from the luxury tax is split. Half of it goes to a fund for retired players. The other half is to be split among the teams that did not go over the spending limit. If I was an owner of one the teams that never goes over the spending limit I wouldn’t want to get rid of the luxury tax. I am getting free money from the teams who are paying the luxury tax.
The salary cap is stupid and won't be agreed by the players. Tell me how it's worked out in the NFL, with a Patriots dynasty and now teh Chiefs trying to do the same thing.
worked wonders for the NHL
Its also why GB and Buffalo can win. Patriots had to be creative and could not just endlessly spend. Chiefs are going to have a harder time because of the price of salaries has gone up in recent years more then the overall salary cap. The Cap in the NHL has saved about 1/2 the teams in Canada that were on the verge of bankruptcy. It will help the balance.
@@scotttild Win what? Bills haven't won a Superbowl or reached one and part of it is because the Chiefs are in their way. We don't see that kind of dominance in baseball that Patriots had and the one the Chiefs have had recently.
We need a cap and floor, and top draft should be lottery like nhl does, just make it actually fair
Now we get Ohtani vs Judge in the world series so I don't really give a shit
NO. Shohei alone got me and millions watching MLB again. He is literally bringing fans from around the world to watch American baseball. He alone probably saved MLB
But the only teams that can get Ohtani and literally every star player are the teams with money. The Yankees and Dodgers have lopsided advantages just because they're based in an area most people live in, regardless if they're stupid or not
Arizona won last year, so that proves money doesn't matter. So forget about that changing.
More often than not it does give teams a huge advantage over other teams
Ok troll.
Hell no we don’t need a salary cap
The dodgers have surpassed the yankees by a huge margin this past off season
Cardinals have more rings than the Dodgers but now they have zero chance to win again.
BTW the Lakers were REPEAT TITLE WINNERS IN 2009 and 2010. Also why are you showing a picture of AD & LBJ?
Absolutely not and the competitive balance tax is NOT a salary cap you can go over it if you want to and it wont hurt the team's bottom line one bit
Also if salary caps are in sports than their should be wage and salary caps in ALL jobs.
Research has shown time and again that salary caps do nothing to increase competitive balance within a given sport. Not only were they not implemented to ensure such a thing, but the exact opposite. They only ever came into existence so owners did not have to spend more than they wanted.
Rule number one to becoming wealthy: Those who have money, and lots of it, get there by finding the shrewdest ways to not spend said money.
I call bull. The NFL system is the reason why teams in GB, and Buffalo actually have a chance every year. The only reason the NHL teams in Canada survived was because they went to a hard cap and new economic system, prior to that half the teams in Canada were facing bankruptcy. NBA has a wonky system that is not really a cap.
Rule number one.... if you own a sports team, your bottom line should be winning and not making more money. Have a nice day asshole! @truejacksonveep
The amount of money those guys make is despicable. It really pisses me off when some stupid announcer says "he's worth every penny". Try telling that to someone in the military, a surgeon, a cop, a fireman, a teacher, etc.
Worst take ive ever seen💀
ever heard of something called supply and demand. when those people can do what these athletes do they will earn that money. people are paying for entertainment...not saying i agree with the insane amount of money they make but its just basic economics and calling for the military to make what they make is just silly
@@lordfinesse4173 Understanding gravity doesn't justify pushing someone off of a cliff.
@@56philosophicalairports You probably make minimum wage and are so blinded by these guys $$$$? So SAD!!!
@@MrBeyondbelief what is you talking about lmao
As a Cubs Fan. We need a salary cap. Yes it can hurt us since we are a big market team but thats the problem, People are being signed and it's unfair to many others. Don't believe me? LOOK AT THE DODGERS. HELLO? They signed two Japanese pitchers for 1.2 BILLION. How can the NL West be fair with that? The Dodgers are signing literally the best players every year and nobody does a thing, believing they can beat them in the playoffs. Well how about get them out of there then? Cause this is going out of hand. We need a Salary Cap. It can stop the LA Dodgers.
The dodgers stop the dodgers from winning it all. Baseball is different from other sports because imo it requires more luck/external factors, than the others and there are more injuries so not all will play for the season. Take a look at the diamondbacks, nobody thought that they would sweep the dodgers and take out the Harper and Turner. I don’t think that there needs to be a salary cap, maybe some restriction but no cap
Can't have the guys busting their asses on the field getting paid. The only guys getting filthy rich should be the executives who don't even know what a shortstop is.
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Hello? the dodgers literally got swept by the 84 win diamondbacks in 2023 and got beat by the 89 win padres in 2022, two other nl west teams, they arent unstoppable even if they spend over 300M in a season. The mets, yankees, and padres in 2023 had the largest payrolls and none of them made the playoffs. The rays and orioles has some of the lowest payrolls and won around 100 games. You literally cant predict baseball, would anyone have guessed the diamondbacks to sweep the dodgers and beat the big money phillies with harper, turner, schwarber and castellanos? Nothing is "unfair" about the dodgers spending a lot of money, literally any team could do that if they had an owner willing to dish it out, mlb doesnt need slaary cap at all not even once
@@florenceicuAnd look at the NFL with a salary cap. We just a Patriots dynasty and now the Chiefs are trying to do the same thing. I'm sorry, but people need to smarten up and stop fooling themselves with that stupid idea that the salary cap will actually make things better.
Salary caps suck. The NFL and NHL are extremely boring because of all the mediocre teams.
A lot of the older owners aren’t billionaires without the teams valuation while new owners made several billions before buying a team which is the case for most big city teams. Plus when small markets get money from the bigger teams spending, the owners just pocket it.