Steven Universe Classpects! - Pt. 2
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2020
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Hey gamers, today we finish up our look at potential classpects for the Crystal Gems by taking a look at Garnet and Steven! I hope you enjoy checking them out, and let me know what you all think! Until next time,
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I cant think of steven's arc as anything but him being drowned in, and suffocated by, Heart; an aspect that he has a high amount of skill Manipulating, but very little active control over to begin with. As such i cannot see him as anything but an Heir of Heart.
i thought the same too in a seperate comment in the last video. Steven inherited heart(self) from his mother and continues to inherit heart, whether that be love, identity/self (as Rose Quartz), passion and all manner of emotions from everyone around him. And being that he can also inherit **through** Heart, i would say he has used his aspect time and time again to inherit friends and acquaintances through his raw, unfiltered expressions of Heart. Everybody, even his initial enemies, comes to love Steven in the end, inheriting their heart. I think even Rose (from Homestuck) herself said once that an Heir is supplied with what is needed for his maturation (what is needed being his aspect).
Heir also works on the story level as well! I think there's a line you can draw between John's refusal to accept how damaged and traumatizing his life has been, and Steven's breakdown in Future about how he can just keep fucking up and fixing things and nobody will ever have to know -- it's the vibrant denial of not being able to deal with/cope with a scenario that is self-enabling and repeating, because nothing is wrong, and if NOTHING'S WRONG then nothing needs to be fixed!
Interesting Fact: Sovare Amelia from Vast Error shares Steven’s aspect-Page of Heart!
I can definitely see parallels with that denial of past trauma, but now im curious how literal the caged sovare monster in 999 might actually be
Really? That’s so cool!
Some interesting things I'd like to add given my own thoughts on classpects:
A common thread among seers seems to be a disconnect in terms of how their aspect manifests in themselves, see rose's more voidy interests and literally being shrouded in darkness when we first meet her. And interpreting Sapphire/Garnet as a seer of time means we can apply that interpretation to time, time can mean repetition, and can be portrayed as unhealthy societal norms, so the seer of time being the literal incarnation of the opposite of homeworld's toxic norms makes a lot of sense.
Steven as a page of heart also casts an interesting light on the sheer amount of times people have compared Steven to, or outright confused him for Rose Quartz, almost like he's having his identity given to him by everyone he meets. Not to mention Steven's ultimate crisis in future is his perceived lack of a self in a sense, as without the facts he defined himself on, helping people, he feels empty.
At the beginning of the story the seer is always "outside" of their aspect, so to speak.
Rose's voidy interests are just the manifestation of Void, the aspect opposite to hers. And neither Time nor Space have anything to do with societal norms. That's Blood, Rage, and maybe Void, if OD's analysis is right about the Gnostic darkness and Equius.
I really need to know Lapis and Peridots aspects now lmao.
I think lapis would be space and peridot mind maybe (? Idk about the classes
Armando M: I haven’t seen anyone say it so I will
Peridot has got to be a softer incarnation of Terezi, I mean
_come on_
I'm thinking Maid of Light for Peridot because of her self driven curiosity coupled with her arc about breaking from her old worldview that stifled that desire to learn. For Lapis, I'm thinking Witch of Void. Couldn't tell you why though.
Maybe Lapis is Rage? There is a lot going on with her negative emotions and anger.
@@DeathKitta True, but negativity doesn't necessarily mean Rage. All of the aspects can manifest in anxious ways. I'd say Void more for Lapis because of the sensory deprivation she suffered inside the mirror.
I KNEW STEVEN WAS A PAGE OF HEART, I CALLED IT.
But I thought garnet was....wait for it....
Made of love
i think the fusion ideas are fun because you could have someone like sardonyx who has access to the title seer of hope and seer of rage, which i feel like adds to her fourth wall breaking (seeing the continuity and contrivance, giving the whole picture, etc)
Sardonyx is a maid of rage in the suffer and a seer of hope in the inside,performance is part of the ragebound and she is definitely dramatic and over the top,but she is also very aware of other desire,wanting to help and improved other.
I love your dual approach to classpecting Garnet! I've been thinking along similar lines about her
I thought of Sapphire as Seer of Time, but Ruby as a Knight of Mind; and Garnet "inheriting" the title of Seer of Mind as a mix of both.
I think the classpects in that art are quite accurate and you did a great job at fundamenting them. However, I can't stop thinking about the possibility of Steven being a Life player. Not only does he have healing powers and is deeply empathetic, but he also has the conflicting relationship of a legacy weighing down on him, as well as the never-ending impulse to help or 'fix' others pushing him towards bitterness when his needs aren't met.
I think earlier Steven is more heart-bound, with his arc revolving around identity and who he is as opposed to his mother and what he thinks people expect from him; but his life aspect-attributes grow as the show progresses and specially when we get to Future.
@@sofivear There is no connection in Homestuck between Life aspect and fixing or helping. It is connected to physical healing, but mostly because the Jane (and by extension Nanna) have creating classes, and create Life.
I've got some thoughts on classpects for Pink Diamond and Rose Quartz and I believe despite being the same person they would have different classpects similar to Optimistic's idea of roleplay, starting with Pink I think she would be a prince of blood given how she deliberately destroyed her interpersonal relationships with the diamonds (and Spinel) and even destroyed her bonds with the crystal gems even after she stopped existing, I say prince and not bard because the diamonds are like royalty and because Pink set up a fake shattering which seems more proactive than the passive bard class. As for Rose I see her as a thief of heart, heart because of thematic similarity to Steven but also because of how Rose is a fabricated identity, the thief part comes into play as Rose is a outlaw against homeworld and how Rose "stole" identity's of others like how in encouraging Ruby and Sapphire to stay fused in the episode The Answer thus later down the line leading to Ruby being unsure of who she is as an individual in the episode The Question and how Roses actions lead to many gems to lose their sense of self due to corruption, thieves in Homestuck are also depicted as self-centred which Rose somewhat is as all of the actions she does early on are motivated by her desires and her disregard of others feelings. But those are just my thoughts on the matter I'm curious if anyone else has a possibly more fitting interpretation.
Though I know you already said in your description that this would be your final video on the matter, I still wonder what classes you'd give to the other main gems of the series, mainly Lapis, Peridot and Bismuth with Jasper as well since she's such a big presence in the show. Maybe there's enough left to revisit this topic in the eventual future? Here's hoping so!
Lapis is a witch of breath,peridot a mage of void,jasper is a bard maybe of rage or heart and bismuth is a heir of blood.
In my opinion.
I personally would have said Steven is more of a Page of Blood, due to his ability to bring so many different people to his side, and turn even his biggest enemies into allies. I'd also say that he gets his classpect from his parents. Greg seems like he's definitely a Page of some kind, maybe of Breath or Heart, and I'd say Rose is a Blood player. Possibly a Sylph or a Thief.
When youre done with SU, I like to see you tackle the Classpects of AtLA
Yeeeees
Still kinda wish you had taken your own shot at classpecting instead of just sticking to the old drawings. Not sure that art is the definitive take with everything that has happened in SU since the art was drawn.
They did analyze it though, and I think the drawings are accurate. But I get what you mean.
Here is an analysis, if you want: bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/post/114721173059/steven-universe-homestuck-classes-and-aspects
Ok hear me out
Jasper is a bard of rage
I can see her getting along with Gamzee.
I feel like you should have brought up Jake's Friendsim route when talking about the page's ability to plug their ears and deny. Jake lists a lot of traumas and problems with his life, and when MSPAR tries to face them with Jake, every solution seems to come with two more problems. Eventually MSPAR just gives up and lets Jake continue living as though nothing is wrong, because Jake is used to ignoring all his problems.
I felt like Jake's pesterquest route was somewhat flawed in its execution though. like, mainly, when Jake is manipulative, he'll do it in a way that keeps people from getting mad at him, but ultimately I think he succeeded in frustrating MSPAR more than any other character that they met, and to me, that outcome seems like it would be pretty avoidable if Jake had really wanted to avoid it. in homestuck, I generally find Jake to be really likable, even if I know he's doing something to give his friends the run around, because ultimately he's just trying to deflect negativity in a naive way. but in pesterquest... well... okay like, for example, when MSPAR confronts him with the idea that his friends treat him badly, I feel like Jake would've tried harder not to let MSPAR come to that conclusion in the first place? he'd present them in a more positive light from the start, defend them against accusations that they've behaved poorly, or deflect conversations about how they might've fucked up things in his life by talking more about benign things, like his isolation, or the monsters on his island, if he really didn't want to talk about his friends' shortcomings. because he's failed to deflect in such obvious ways, it makes it seem like he was actually fine with talking about this... but then the way his longer route ends doesn't make much sense. why start deflecting at that point, after he'd already brought MSPAR neck deep into thinking about this topic? he's already created a situation in which MSPAR is frustrated with him. and now he's basically deliberately put himself in a situation where he has to be overtly stubborn, which is what his manipulation of others is supposed to help him avoid the discomfort of handling in the first place.
I'm not saying his route is bad... it just has some clunky areas that kind of unravel it for me a bit.
@@loregoblin3854 Jake isn't actually that good avoiding those topics, though. Even back in act 6, he'd mention them all the time and it just wouldn't get delved into because everyone he knew treated it all as just normal. Jake maybe knows it's uncomfortable to talk or think about in depth, but he still mentions it in passing because it's so normalized in his life that he wouldn't think not to. Jake isn't some master of deflection, he's just surrounded by people who are willing to pretend he is and let his clumsy deflections work anyway (or, in the case of Jane, people who are just totally self-absorbed and clueless).
MSPAR's presence is totally unfamiliar to Jake. They're the first person who's been in physical proximity since his grandma died and they have a different perspective than anyone else, but not a naive one like Calliope. Jake wouldn't even think not to mention things that are, in his mind, totally normal and MSPAR is both savvy and determined enough at this point in PQ to drag info out of him and figure out the situation.
But Jake really is just very determined to stay in his comfortable delusions. That's the part he's always actually been good at. It doesn't really matter how obvious the truth is, even in his own words. Jake's manipulations are way clumsier and more direct than you seem to remember.
@@extantcadence2707 see, I feel like that kind of depends on which topics specifically you're referring to... and I think Jake also has some awareness of his audience. like, yes, he is surrounded by people who are willing to believe certain things about him, but I think it's more accurate to say that they're willing to believe that he doesn't fully know what he's doing half the time. for example, in Jane's case, this is because she has a crush on him... she lets him get away with stuff that she might otherwise call out as legitimately crummy behavior. she let him tell her about his boyfriend problems for a long time after they entered their session, even though she found it really irritating and frustrating, which set a precedent for Jake. he learned that he could say this stuff to her, and she generally wouldn't react badly. he's only dense in the sense that he doesn't realize how frustrated Jane is getting... he either doesn't notice it because she is masking it, or does notice it and pretends not to out of convenience. it may even be some of both. and for Jake, this also reinforces the notion that Jane is a good friend who has totally gotten over any feelings he suspected she may have had for him early on. in this way, his delusion is fueled by a grain of something that he genuinely hopes is true. and the reason he complains about Dirk is because, in a way, he is trying not to seem culpable for his own problems... Dirk may legitimately have his own issues, but Jake isn't looking for a solution when he talks to Jane. it's not even really her place to find one. he's looking for someone to pat his hand and tell him that everything is alright. and he does all of this, whether he explicitly realizes that this is what he's doing or not.
there are a lot of areas where Jake does this kind of halfway believing thing... he wants something to be true, so he pretends that it is, until he actually halfway believes it. and that means that his friends halfway believe that he means no harm by what he's doing. Jake isn't a mastermind... but he is someone that people emotionally don't wish any harm on, and he complicates things for them by being equal parts manipulative and genuine.
the thing with MSPAR is that I think the writers didn't have a long enough amount of time to set up what they were going for with that whole scenario. MSPAR comes in, a total stranger to Jake, and starts saying stuff about how Jake's friends aren't being very good to him. now, Jake has expressed misgivings about his friends to other friends of his... but it was always on his own terms, and to an audience that he was familiar with. if Jake tells Jane that he feels like Dirk is overbearing... Jake decided that that was the case by himself, and he knows the kind of responses that Jane tends to give to stuff like this. he knows that she won't actually think less of him, or of Dirk, just because Jake expressed a concern. but MSPAR comes out the gate already being kind of critical, and kind of implying that they're here to actively change something... MSPAR believes that this change will be positive, but change isn't always what Jake wants when he vents. like I said before, half the time when Jake would vent about Dirk, it was to get reassurance. MSPAR isn't exactly a reassuring presence here.
and I guess what I'm saying is that if Jake was going to react to MSPAR's suggestions the way that he does by the end of the route, then why wouldn't he express those same reactions all the way back at the beginning of their conversation about these things? Jake doesn't know MSPAR, and wouldn't be _more_ comfortable entertaining these notions at the beginning of the route, rather than at the end when he actually starts deflecting the topic. MSPAR's opinion doesn't change throughout the whole thing. their thesis statement is: "your friends are making bad choices and engaging with you in harmful ways"
Jake's position doesn't change either though. his position is: "my friends are fine actually, they don't have to change what they're doing, and neither do I"
or at least, this is what leads him to say all of the things that frustrate MSPAR by the end of the route. but why not just say that at the beginning and then pick other things to talk about? even if MSPAR kept trying to drag the topic back, it still would've led to a far different route than what we got.
all of that being said... all of this is just my opinion, and I'm not trying to be like "you're flat out wrong!" with this... I'm more just trying to justify my own viewpoint on stuff, like, I'm not trying to make Jake seem hyper-competent here, but I don't think a person would have to be hyper competent to keep someone from criticizing their friends if their true underlying goal was not to have to criticize their friends. even via ingratiating methods.
Holy crap this is very coincidental. I have two hs ocs that share the same classpects as ruby and sapphire
I would love to see Classpects for the other characters like Lapis Jasper and Peri, as well as the Diamonds. Pink in particular would be interesting given we can clearly contrast her with Steven, regardless of her classpect
*[Nice video!]*
i love that i always connected a lot with steven, and (i think) im a knight of heart, that ends up a lot of times acting like a page, therefore our classpects are super close, how neat
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I know this has nothing to do with Steven Universe, but I always love how done Caliborn looks when he interacts with Gamzee, it's just.. always amusing.
I'm really curious on your response to the new hs update hinting that maid is a passive class, personally I interpreted it as purposeful misdirection with knight being passive and maid being the active one, though people are still debating if maids/knights are now a pair because they are now both connected to weaponizing and exploiting.
Hearing that last part about pages running away from reality and ignoring their issues reminds me a lot of shinji from evangelion, i dont know what his aspect would be but i totally see him as a page
Oh I was so hoping you were going to edit garnets for the same reasons you listed in the video. Great job!
Why not also do Connie's classpect? After all, she is an extremely important influence on the story even early on.
She is clearly a breath player,maybe a knight.
I always thought of Steven as a either A sylph(because the whole nurturing and traditional support side of him) or a knight(excessivley selfless warrior side of him)
Page is basically a combination of those two classes.
And you talked about my aspect, page of heart :D
I'm very different from Steven, but this was still interesting. I've been thinking about what it means to be a page of heart for a while, and I think there are a lot of things about the heart aspect that you or Steven doesn't go into. Similar to rage, heart also has elements of changing one's reality, though instead of being problem oriented, it's much more focused on one's personality. Heart players have a tendency to project their own ego onto the world, changing it to reflect themself. Furthermore, I think that heart represents fan-fiction, in other words, how someone changes a story to suit themself. We see this tenancy a lot with how Nepeta and Meulin like to ship their friends, and with, well, basically everything Dirk does.
dude omg back when i was first getting into steven universe and wanted to classpect the gems, i also saw the SU god tier art and thought the EXACT same thing about Ruby and Sapphire being a Knight of Rage and Seer of Time respectively. glad to see that someone agrees, haha!
do a Classpecting of indie game protagonists
Frisk (Undertale)
Kris (Deltarune)
Drifter (Hyper light drifter)
Dust and Fidget (Dust an Elysian tail)
Dishawasher and Yuki (The Dishwasher dead samurai/Vampire smile)
Niko (Oneshot)
Filia, Squilgy, Painwheel, Cerebella and the other playable characters (Skullgirls)
Shantae (Shantae)
Crow (Nefarius)
Madotsuki (Yume nikki)
Bastion kid (Bastion)
Tim (Braid)
Brad (Lisa the Painful)
Yonaka (Mogeko castle)
Wadanohara (Wadanohara and the great blue sea)
Yosafire (The Gray garden)
Quote (CaveStory)
and others
Quote seems like a hope player to me, given his determination (same goes for the Undertale folks). Madotsuki is definitely a doom player.
For mute characters (Quote, Drifter) it's hard to say because we don't get to see what their personality is like
Steven's heartbound splintered selves also exist in the lifeforms he creates such as the cactus in the epilouge series and the watermelon Stevens, and in some capacity pumpkin.
Because of your videos i litterally classpect every fictional character when therye introduced xD and its so fun thank you!!
After this I really want to see what the other crystal gems are ( Lapis, Peridot, Bismuth, and maybe Connie)
screw whoever said that steven's final arc made no sense, IT MADE SO MUCH BLOODY SENSE AND THIS PROVES IT
I’m a Page of Space, and I’ve never heard such a detailed explanation of the page class that I can fully relate to. Thanks
I guess you could say I saw this coming
I see what you did there
seer of time?
So cool and makes perfect sense! You're really good at this, you know?
After Steven Universe, who's next?
This is such a good classpect breakdown Taz! Loving it!
I wonder what you think peridot would be, I think she would be a Page of Light or Page of Mind , leaning towards Light as her aspect.
I see her a a mage of void.
1-In the start She speaks about the greatest of homeworld that by nature is void.
2-When she gain sight,she see the true void nature of void and as prophet,speak about it.
3-she have knowledge about technology,mechanic and computer coding,like equius,horrus,roxy and sollux,(3 of one are void players and one is a mage).
4-she is also Into shipping like meulin.
Did you speed up your voice here or is it just me? I know you have before once but I'm just making sure... It's a little hard to process in an otherwise very comprehensive way you explain your points
it does sound like his voice is running at 1.20x speed
It's so funny that Sapphire's aspect is red and Ruby's aspect is purple.
I would disagree with garnets assessment. In season 5 episode 15 garnet explains her future vision has been playing up and things are not going as she foresaw. after some digging she declares that the reason it had been going off was she was not thinking of steven like an adult but like a child. The way that comes off to me is as Terzeis aspect Seer of mind as If she was a true time aspect then how another person acted would not be applicable to the outcomes as time cannot be changed. (without retcon powers). likewise if she was truely a seer of time then she would see the true outcome of things as to do anything else would create an unstable time loop.
This would in sapphires case come off like a time aspect as in gem society people are how they are the moment they are made and personal growth and trying to do something else is punishable by shattering leading to everything being predictable as long as the gems perform the task they was designed to do and adhere to norms.
I'm not an expert at this though and Would like your feedback on a seer of mind aspect.
I wonder what Connie and peridot would be (I think lapis was already touched on... )
Okay so... Are we going to go over the fact that Steven as a page of heart is so accurate to what happens in Steven universe future?
This was super fun thank you.
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Но с удовольствием смотрю ваши видео.
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I literally just found out I was page of heart yesterday
I wasn't looking for a therapy session but I got it, goddamn.
Pink diamond is a prince of life🚪🏃
Lapis and Peridot next!! 💕
You should do this for Adventure Time!
Oh heck yeah my dream came true
if you want to classpect other characters, how about utena and anthy from the rgu anime? since your a big utena fan id personally love to hear what you think
Your analyses are AMAZING! Can you please do She-Ra, ATLA and Gravity Falls?
I feel that mabel is a sylph of heart and dipper a mage of rage.
@@a.fernando4319 if bard wasn't the way it was in HS I would think it on Mabel, since she can eather be a big help and ruin everyrthing.
davepeta best character cnfirmed!!
You cannot tell me that garner is not a maid of blood
I wonder what connie and bismuth’s classpects are? Or even spinnel and the diamonds? Or peridot and lapis?
Please do the classpects of all the main JoJo
Hey, what do you think about what classpect yellow and blue diamonds can be?
feel like garnet would be a blood player idk. maybe a mage or sylph?
or combine rubys and sapphires so knight of time???
im just not satisfied with seer of time
Holy shit I was just watching your older videos
You pronouced Milk wrong...try this...mal K or mol K Also, riveted 'till the end. You are a Godsend for understanding Classpect. May I ask, what is your take on Bard of Void? Mine is like the HULK yet not RAGE but voidy. Like if one was born to the Void and has to learn to use GRIMDARK to a fine controled and unusual guidance for others. Or like if someone was so happy and cheerfull but their mind was all Deathmetal and demonic...any thoughts?
Omg omg omg Davepeta Davepeta DAVEPETA!!! :DD
what happened to the old videos?
I want to see RWBY classpects!
Now do the cast of RGU >:3
Why? But ok.
Classpecting kingdom hearts
Sora Sylph of Blood
Riku Knight of Heart
Kairi Maid of Void
Mickey Lord of Space
Donald Witch of Light
Goofy Knight of Hope
Pete Heir of Doom
Maleficent Seer of Light
DiZ/Amsen the Wise Muse of Light
Aqua Maid of Space
Terra Knight of Void
Ventus Page of Breath
Vanitas Bard of Heart
Eraqus Bard of this Light
Master Xehanort Muse of Time
Young Xehanort Page of Time
Terranort Heir of Rage
Amsen seeker of darkness Seer of Heart
Repiku Mage of Heart
Xemnas Lord of Void
Xigbar Rouge of Space
Xaldin Knight of Breath
Vexen Rouge of Blood
Lexaeus Knight of Doom
Zexion Mage of Light
Sïax Page of Rage
Axel Thief of Breath
Demyx Bard of Hope
Luxord Prince of Time
Marluxia Bard of Life
Larxene Knight of Rage
Roxas Rouge of Light
Xion Thief of Void
Naminé Witch of Light
Heyner Page of Hope
Pence Mage of Mind
Olette Heir of Life
Yozora Rouge of Breath
Considering kairi is literally connected to light in every way, shape, and form, I disagree with that list. That may be more her nobody, namine. And even then...
Page is still passive :/
Also, Sapphire is a Mage of Mind :P
I think he's going to keep mistaking the page as the active class until he realizes the page's accociation with horses.