A Disney Villains Retrospective Part 6: Dumbo and Bambi "Villains"
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2020
- Today, we're looking at the supposed villains of Dumbo (1941) and Bambi (1942), who might not be fully evil in the own rights, but have interesting histories nonetheless. Man is in the forest!
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I absolutely love how "man" is almost portrayed as a cosmic horror figure.
I mean if a bipedal creature that can kill you by staring down his 3rd leg I'd be scared shitless too
For this reason I've always thought that the killer of bambi's mother was Gaston from beauty and the beast, because I see a doe head during the gaston song and a doe drinking from a pond in the intro of beauty and the beast
Nature's boogeyman. I love how you never see him.
That's a trope actually is calle humans are cthulu
@@SuperKiobi13 huh. Interesting.
Bambi’s mom was traumatizing, but the scene where the quails are sitting in the grass watching man get closer before one panics, flies up and promptly gets shot down. You see the body fall there.
That scene legit haunted me for years.
@@kayleighbrown459 Same. That left more of an impact to me than Bambi´s mother getting shot.
Actually, it's a pheasant because quails don't endure long-distance flights and spend a lot of their time on the ground.
That whole sequence is just perfect tension raising, we the audience either feel like the panicking pheasant or the ones that are saying calm.
I thought of that scene last year, even asking one of my brothers and my Mom separately: "Hmmm. . . They don't want to show the dead body of Bambi's mother because they don't want to traumatize young viewers, but they're ACTUALLY willing to show the quail's dead body?"
As a child who grew up in hunting culture, I was always taught the man was a poacher rather than a normal hunter. It was explained to me that's why his hunting dogs were always so mean, unlike the hunting dogs that I grew up with. He hunted the animals not caring whether or not they had children, and at all times of the year even out of season. It could be just because my family was so familiar with hunting, but I was taught the importance of proper hunting techniques and respecting the forest around me via this movie.
I agree, now that doesn't mean the scene itself isn't depressing but I always felt like the hunter was more of a poacher seeing how he aimlessly kept killing for game. My family hunts but we don't use dogs simply because that isn't fair to the wildlife. Not saying people shouldn't be allowed to used dogs I just personally agree with it because for us good hunting is mainly about fair game. So the use of dogs cancels that and is in my opinion, a bit of an unfair advantage. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to used dogs because I do see the importance of them being used for game such as bears and wild boars. My father even owns a plott/ red tick hound mix that is mainly used to keep predators off our property. So as far as Bambi goes. I think you and I can both agree how the hunter is viewed is dependent on the viewers background cause those who aren't really involved with hunting let alone spend much time outdoors would very easily use it as a image that all hunters are cruel and greedy.
Might as well have been a poacher.
I honestly blame Disney for the fact that I strait up thought all hunters were evil until I hit adulthood.
Same here.
My family hunts and they always told me that what he was doing wasn't normal.
Helped me develop a strong sense of environmental ethics.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure killing a Doe during the time of year when she might have fawns is pretty much illegal everywhere (in the US at least). He’s definitely committing a crime here.
I think an important distinction between the good and evil hunters in the Bambi series that was overlooked when looking at the movie, is that most hunters purposefully ignore the doe in real life, even if there are no laws against killing them. Thus, when the hunter in the Bambi movie kills Bambi's mother, he crosses the line from merely an antagonist to a villain for the viewers, even if few think of that as a reason to hate him
In my opinion, the third time Man shows up, causing the forest fire, they do seem much more like thugs rather than hunters, shooting at small game like rabbits and chipmunks that would be of little to no value to most hunters, making no real effort to collect their kills, and, of course, neglecting to properly care for their campfire.
@@MeliesCinemagician Nya, even if they were killing for food they would be villains since the story is told from the perspective of their victims, but when you think about it they are most likely hunting for sport, killing just because they can, like those people with psychopathic traits who enjoy ripping flies wings and squashing snails. I have met such people in real life and I assure you that torturing animals goes hand in hand with mistreating people as well.
I thought they only ignore doe at certain times of the year? Just in case they have babies.
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For the most part does usually are. A stag head is more impressive hanging on the wall. That being said to manage deer populations it must be remembered it takes only 1 stag to impregnate multiple does so doe culling is also needed not just stags. Plus the flesh of a doe is not as gamey as a stag's is due to his testosterone.
Before the rut all the does have weaned their fawns and those fawns are no longer cute spot coated babies as they're nearly the size of their dams. The rut is the time when deer hunting usually takes place and both sexes are taken.
Also, after the rut there will usually be a mortality rate among the stags because they spent their fat reserves in the pursuit of does, fighting off other stags and then mating when the doe comes into full estrus. A
doe's receptivity for a stag's advances is very short, not even a full day. After being bred that's it and the stag is off looking for another. By the time the rut is complete the stag is hard pressed to find adequate food since the growing season for it is long gone. By the time spring returns many stags will not have survived the winter. Yes, he may have passed on his genes, but it cost him his life to do so.
In his book ‘Fantasia’, John Culhane wrote: ‘Disney wanted to show the charred bodies of the hunters, burned to death by the forest fire they had started. “How do you want the bodies drawn, Walt?” asked one artist. “Medium rare or well done?” Disney dropped the idea.’
would love to hear that in person, thats hilarious. i can imagine walt's face dropping lmao
Disney should have said: "both of them".
The idea of showing a dead hunter after the fire was nixed when the film was shown to a test audience with this segment. The collective gasp from that audience was enough for Disney to have it deleted.
if they wanted an actual way to show it they should've kept the body in shadow or silhouette.
@@cliffowens3629it seems from both accounts Disney was shocked himself but wasn't sure how would it turn out for the audience. Sure enough they were horrified and the scene was cut.
I'm absolutely convinced Bambi is one of the strongest influences on Spielberg's 'Jaws.'
The way you never see the Hunter, you just see his viewpoint as the camera moves in - look familiar to you? Hell, even the music sounds vaguely similar.
I can definitely see that given that Spielberg is a major Disney fan himself
I belive John WIlliams has said as much.
possibly an influence in decision making but I know the main reason was because the shark prop just didn't look that great and exposure for too long would have ruined it for the audience, and monsters in horror are best shown sparingly so as to retain their mystique, even if it's something as simple as a shark or *man*
John Williams actually credited Bambi’s theme for Man as a direct inspiration for his Jaws theme.
I always got the impression that the Ringmaster was kind of too clueless to be a villain.
I think Bambi makes more sense when you consider that Walt was really into making nature films at this time. Trying to walk the line between naturalistic and anthropomorphized characters is hard. I lived in rural Maine for many years, there's still a lot of families that rely on hunting for food. The hunter is a villain because he illegally killed a doe, not because hunting itself is wrong.
He's a villain for the animals because he, y'know, kills them. His motives are irrelevant.
@@tobbs5410 But that is what makes a villian different then an antagonist: The motives. Think of monstro the whale
@@RobertEOSPEEDWAGON1 The animals being killed don't really give a shit about the difference. Either way, they still don't wanna die, and are still getting bullets in their heads.
I don't entirely rule out the possibility of the hunters' motives being sadistic. Most people who kill animals enjoy doing so and fully admit to it. And all humans are sadistic towards other 'inferior' lifeforms and always will be.
The animals don't really care if they're being killed for somebody else to survive or because somebody gets a hard on for shooting animals. As far as all animals are concerned humans are the enemy.
How do you know he didn't have a doe tag?
@@behindthescenesphotos5133 Who gives a shit whether they do or don't? You're missing the entire fucking point of the movie. Empathise with animals for once in your short life and you might get it.
Walt being "man" and his staff being the "forest animals" does really shed light to the power structure and respect everyone has for Walt Disney at the time.
Man in Bambi is a villain the way that a volcano or a hurricane is. It's such a poetic way to put it from the perspective of the animals. Man is a force of nature, unstoppable and impossible to really understand. All they can really do is flee and hope.
Man is a metaphor of ourselves. It shows if we're not responsible, we could destroy our own world.
Man!
Stuff more dangerous than 'man': Viruses Bacteria Parasites Radiation Gamma rays ... tho you could argue 'man' acts like a virus but my point still stands. There are scarier stuff than 'man'. 'Man' is not evil or good, it just is. like everything in the universe, chaos rules over order. ive never ate a deer in my life...is it good?
Hah, "the pink elephants are just alcoholic hallucinations", I see... so _alcohol_ is the real villain!
@Katie Lewis indeed, i don't imply that alcohol is inherently evil, that was merely a joke, it is as with much else in this world, simply a tool open for abuse. Many can handle alcohol perfectly well and have no problems with keeping it in moderation. Others meanwhile, such as my grandfather, couldn't. Something both he and those close to him paid the price for.
well it elads to dumbo realising he can fly (a twist that's become ubiqutiously spoiled over the years), sooo
Alcohol is the real villain unless it results in you discovering superpowers
I don't think alcohol can cause hallucinations, so there's probably some drug mixed in that.
@@sarafontanini7051 "Alcohol the cause of and solution to all of life's problems."
@@dexterdextrow7248from what I heard from my Mom and a fellow user it was a referencing how people would claim to see Pink Elephants when drunk and to a singer who would pretend to get drunk at times and claim the same thing while acting the part.
Dang, this series is going to take a hundred episodes isn’t it? I ain’t complaining though!
my only problem is that is going to take a while before he talks about the uncle scrooge/duck comics/ducktales villains
Several villains will be put into one episode as seen here.
Ikr
Not quite, there is 58 (60 by the end of 2021) animated canon films
@@sarasamaletdin4574 good point but if he does the tv series too... it could take a while
1.The Circus Elephants are the main antagonists
2. The Fireman Clowns are the secondary antagonists
3. The Ringmaster is the tertiary antagonist
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That’s right
The animation of Bambi's mom can also be seen in "The Sword in the Stone", "The Jungle Book", and "The Rescuers".
And also in beauty and the beast
This is an example of animation laziness. Using what's already been drawn to use in another film.
@@cliffowens3629 it isn't lazy, cell animation just takes time so reusing old animation spares time
I think the reason people label the Ringmaster as a villain is from what Hopper said in A Bugs Life " First rule in leadership everything Is your fault ." Regardless on how much involvement or acknowledgment said leader has
My grandad is a hunter and as a kid i knew that, but i was never upset with him after seeing Bambie. I was taught that there were good hunters and bad hunters, the hunter in Bambie was bad cause he shot Bambie's Mom a Doe, and good hunters as i was raised to see didnt shoot female Deer.
Nya, I guess it depends on the education you received. I don't live far from rural areas but all the people I knew who visited the forest regularly were mushroom pickers, photographers, campers and ornithologists. The hunters of whom I was aware, in addition to killing wild animals, killed their own dogs when they were old and caused many problems for other types of visitors to the forest, sometimes shooting indiscriminately and wounding and killing people. It may be different where you live, but in my part of the world, hunters are not friendly people, they are people you should stay away from.
Besides that, since I was little I have always seen people who hurt animals as bad people. Even before I was a vegetarian I was aware that I was causing a lot of suffering, even though I wouldn't be able to consciously kill anyone if I had to. On the other hand I suppose that you will consider anyone who enjoys a show in which animals are tortured to death as mentally deranged, but there are still people in my country who believe that bullfighters are heroes (disgusting, I know. Fortunately. we're likely to ban that shortly)
The “Good School shooters only kill bullies. Bad School shooters kill anyone else” logic.
Also in the very slim chance of Bambi ever getting his world playable in a future Kingdom Hearts game, grown up stag Bambi and Sora (in deer form) could fight against heartless clones of man the hunter as the final bosses for Bambi's world, as well as stag Ronno as a mini boss (who could redeem himself before leaving the forest after his defeat), lastly after the defeat of the final bosses, Sora and Bambi have to follow the Great Prince to escape the forest fire which would look incredible in 3D in my opinion.
Essentially, these are both films in which "Man" or "Society" is the real villain
One hunter was forced to watch Bambi once a month while spending time in jail
Interestingly, the antagonist of "Dumbo II" would become Chantel DuBois in "Madagascar 3".
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Congrats on the weight loss and transition, Unnamed Animal Catcher.
Probably for the best.
They probably put the Ringmaster in the game to promote the cancelled Dumbo 2
That's legit, BTW Ilove your thumbnail pic. I'm a huge fan of David Bowie.
@@darkstarmoonshadow8892 Oh yeah I use this pfp for pretty much everything, Bowie is the best!
@@lukaspatrickson4776a friend of mine was a fan too.
What about the kid who bullied Dumbo and caused Dumbo’s mom to attack and be chained?
The kid is definitely a jerk/bully and a catalyst for the conflict. But not quite villainous.
He’s a dumb kid and product of the times, who learned the hard way you don’t mess with animals.
Maybe if he showed up again and continued to harass Dumbo. For sure.
1:26 I think the boy who humiliates Dumbo at the beggining deserves more blame than him.
15:37 There's another theorie which said the toon on a poster in Maroon office is actually the Judge because they have the exact same gun.
You know as a young child I read a golden book of Dumbo where there was no Timothy mouse! Instead the way Dumbo got out of trouble when he messed up the performance was out of the kindness of the ring masters own heart. Just something to think about.
An antagonist in "Saludos Amigos" would be the imposing personified mountain Aconcogua who posed as a major obstacle for Pedro the airplane.
Good Lord, I just learned something horrifying about the Ringmaster's actor:
In 1946, Herman Bing was accused of being a Nazi sympathizer and was unable to find work in Hollywood after that. The accusations have never been proven; but Bing ultimately committed suicide in 1947, shooting himself to death. Damn...
15:27 - 16:04: considering the Roger Rabbit Comic says Judge Doom has multiple aliases, making him "the Toon of a Thousand Faces", it's no wonder he's both Pistol Packin' Possom and "MAN" in the same timeline in that universe.
Bambi was among the most-watched VHS tapes in my house when I was a kid (yes, I'm dating myself big time now). My sister and I watched it to the point where we broke it from overuse. In my case, the big selling point was the Great Prince. Even as a very young child, I was in awe of him. His majestic design and the fact his antlers literally form a crown made me adore the character. Now, I have both the original and Bambi 2 on DVD. Bambi 2 is among my favorite Disney sequels, again because of the Great Prince. Being voiced by Patrick Steward certainly helped.
Now, I will admit that I was either too young or too oblivious to be traumatized or even feel anything when Bambi's mother died. Likely a bit of both. Now that I'm much older, I still don't feel all that sad. Probably because hunting is a necessary evil because we pushed the predators out and it's vital for ecosystem health. Letting prey populations explode is the fastest way to kill the ecosystem.
I never saw Man as a bad guy in Bambi because he went unseen. I still don't to this day but for a different reason. For all we know, Man was a licensed hunter who kept to the quota and his only egregious screw-up was shooting a doe. To my limited understanding, does are generally off-limits and are only shot during sanctioned culls.
2:59-4:29 You know what, it makes sense!
Why not use Stromboli as The fourth villain or heck, even better...
Why not use Pleasure Island as The Dark Circus/Carnival level and use the Coachman!?
I totally agree with you on that
I think they scraped the idea, because the villains in Pinocchio get away with their misdeeds
@@BradyTheGeekthings could've been different for Coachman if they used a deleted scene. Want to know more about it.
The hunter in Bambi acts more like a poacher than an actual respectable hunter. Most hunters ignore the doe, especially during the time when they have fawns. I think the poacher is McLeach himself (Rescuers Down Under), who later moved to Australia to poach some more there as well. I am surprised he isn't included in the Disney Villain category along with The Coachman... I guess they're too close to being real life personas scares The Disney Company. They prefer comical villains like Hook and Hades.
well that would explain why McLeach dosen't have a australian accent
Song of the south is next... uh oh!
Weirdly.... I dunno why, but the animal control officer without any colors and just in the shadows like that reminds me less of a character from Dumbo and more of Ralph the Security Guard from Animaniacs.
Maybe he served as inspiration for the character.
Calvin and Hobbes Retrospective when?
Oh my God it's so hard to keep track of all the adaptations.🙄🙄
Instead of Stromboli, why couldn't they put The Coachman and his minions in Disney Villain's Revenge?
I know. And given that Jiminy Cricket as a main character, that would make sense.
Steven sampson I guess because the Coachman doesn’t have anything to get revenge on? He basically won, even if Pinocchio escaped
@@OsmSkylandersCheats what i was gonna say. He's the only vllain to NEVER recieve any comeuppance and in fact gets away scot free, with his victims being left to suffer.
Because Stromboli, Coachman and his Minions are more evil than The Ringmaster. I wonder if I could put Jafar, Judge Frollo, Shan-Yu, Shere Khan, Cruella De Vil, Captain Gantu, Prince John, and Chernabog in Disney’s Villains’ Revenge.
1:16 The Ringmaster
5:37 The Animal Control Officer
6:02 Man
16:14 Ronno
I know every kid experiences a fear of the dark at some point or another, but surprisingly, my early childhood fear of the dark actually began with the Pink Elephant scene from Dumbo (1941). I know that sounds odd, but when you have a song that occurs at night in the movie, against a pitch-black backdrop, and the voices sing, "Look out! Look out! They're walking around the bed, on their head" and it doesn't end until dawn in the movie, it really does give you a sense of "What'll I do? What'll I do?" in response to the nightmare fuel from that scene.
The Bambi section of this video is truly fantastic! Your analysis of Man is quite interesting. I remember seeing this movie as a kid and yes it was hard for me to see the mom die! That is a very deep and sad moment. You do a wonderful job with your retrospectives. I like the Dumbo section a lot too and I will always have a soft spot in my heart for that movie as well.
Man from Bambi is definitely a villain. Killing a doe during the season when she might have fawns is a crime. He’s a poacher, which is a fairly standard villain archetype in environmental type movies.
The Man is perhaps the greatest villain in film history to never once appear on screen.
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Happy 80th Anniversary, Bambi.🌞🌳🌲🍂🍁🐾🐇🦉🐿️🦋
The hunters should be considered poachers which should always differ from guenine hunters.They were hunting in the winter and again does with fawns are considered off limits. Also again irresponsible with fire saftey.
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There are different rules for different municipalities--state to state and even within counties.
But hunting deer generally requires a permit--and by extension, that generally means that a single hunter is only allowed to take a single deer a year--and is only allowed within certain seasons. There's even restrictions on which firearms you may use--some parts of the seasons are limited to bow hunting.
I've never heard of deer hunting being allowed in winter months.
@@jordancampbell8597 I've seen and heard about it some. Might be cause I'm fairly far north in the US, or the specific state I'm in
@Podcast - SørenCast Z As said before, it's a common rule when hunting.
6:11 I heard of a theory that gaston is man from bambi
Yay I am so glad your back with this series I love hearing about the Disney villains they're the best part of the movies. I look forward to more
10:20 Smokey the Bear disapproved of this campfire
Heres a fun story from a hunters daughter. I saw bambi and i cried for a while and when my dad came home from work after i saw it i cried to him begging him not to kill bambis mom. He had to reassure me and seeing how i didnt understand it was fiction at the time he promised that hed never kill a doe when he hunted and only hunted buck when and only in season. Up until his death he kept that promise even when i told him when i was older he could and he just said nah.
I like the decision to not show the hunters, it dehumanises them and makes them more scary, considering it is a tale told from the deer’s perspective it makes sense that Man would be seen more as a force of evil rather than a character.
Fully thinking about that the sequel has man useing a deer call is so fucked up, like they are pretty much eldrich gods at this point. Now they figured out that they can mimic them. That to me makes it much darker
I have notifications turned on for this channel because I love your videos so much, but somehow I missed this one until now. I really want to read the Bambi books now, but I may not be emotionally mature enough lol. Thank you for another excellent video!
Everyone is the bad guy in someone's story
Even a school bully might have an abusive family
Fun fact: a real hunter who ruthlessly killed a deer in a criminal sense actually got forced to watch Bambi at least once a month while serving his jail sentence.
Just wanted to say that the choice of music during the Dumbo part is fantastic. It's great to see more people acknowledge Theme Park World.
I’ve seen a lot of people hate on the original Bambi movie because they say it wasn’t dark enough or didn’t express the messages that were expressed in the book such as life not mattering, man being omnipresent, circle of life and making the movie too life-loving. I can understand it but when I watch the movie I still see the messages being put on the table like Bambi’s moms death representing how life can take a twist and loss of innocence and the man still has an omnipresent feel due to never seeing him in the movie itself
So, next episode we'll discover "The Three Caballeros" film has no antagonist at all, but its awesome spinoff action-adventure show "Legend of the Three Caballeros" has 2 awesome main villains (Lord Felldrake Sheldgoose and his descendant Baron Sheldgoose), and lots of great episodic villains like the queen lava-lizard, the Yokai, the dragon, the goblins and the giant termites for Donald and friends to fight against.
I will probably talk about "Legend of the Three Caballeros" another time, since you're right that it had a good roster of villains.
@@ColinLooksBack Are the Package films going to be under one video
I don't consider man from bambi a villain, he was simply hunting and considering the implied time period and season in the scene most likely was just feeding his family. If you want a truly evil but not generic version of him, look no further then the hunter from babar, in the first episode or so he shown stalking Barbara elephant pack and kills his mother, but babar breaks his gun and instead of taking revenge spares the hunter , showing the mercy the hunter didn't, its not until the storyline where babar returns to the jungle to teach them about the modern world that the hunter returns with a troop of men to hunt down the rest of the jungle and it is heavily implied hes going after babar out of spite, he later causes an oil fire to burn the animals alive but the animals work together to put it out...the fire backfired and while his men escaped the flames, his hatred was so grand that he refused to leave the flames till he got his prey , ending his life and leaving a wasteland where his camp once stood.
Also I'd like to add the troop master motivation in villains revenge made no sense...the man benefited greatly from dumboo learning to fly as shown at the end of the movie ...so why would he want that to change?
That Dumbo sequel sounds like it might have been a fun time- maybe nothing stellar, but the plot sounds like it could have provided some good moments and it had potential to be one of the decent Disney DTV sequels if they played their cards right.
Due to that behind the scenes trailer ironicly some people belive the film may have been finished when it was canceled.
i have seen some comics in which the ringmaster is portrait as a dognose instead of a human, like the one were dumbo meets honest john and gideon that colin talked about in the dumbo comics video
The wolf from the make mine music segment "peter and the wolf" make a appearance in the short lambert, where he tries to eat lambert's mother, but he got defeated by lambert.
They are the reason why I have phobia of wolves 😆
I like wolves
I owned the DVR game, and I was genuinely confused about the Ringmaster being antagonistic. I barely remembered the character, but even as I kid I knew that he wasn't absolutely malicious.
So wait, there was an actual sequel novel to Bambi, one that was about his children (which is similar to many Disney Sequels), but when it came time to make a sequel they had it be a midquel? What the hell Disney?
Dude you make great content keep it up 👍
Not to mention Ringmaster made the circus for villains as his audience, wich is also out of character. He makes such excessive evil faces, just like they wanted to make him as villainous as possible. On the other hand The Ringmaster would sound more evil if he would be voiced by Dr. Eggman.
I got to say, this was very well thought of. I actually run an adventure team in the spoofing community under the name of my favorite character, as you can see. I got to admit that I do in fact totally understand the points that you make about the ringmaster. At first, we was one of the bad guys for the team I made up, but the only reason I did that was because I thought "Dumbo" wasn't getting any attention then. Even though I didn't really think he was a bad guy, I still treated him as a villain and would often have him play the henchmen to villains in previous projects I did anyway, so that the film could have some recognition. That was the case until the remake came out two years ago. When that came out, I decided to follow the continuities of that film and have him known as Max Medici like in the remake, have him be one of the good guys, and now V.A. Vandervere has taken over his villainous role in the projects I do. In fact, that's why I bring this up. In your point about "Disney Villains' Revenge", I agree he feels out of place. That's why in the current project I'm doing that revolves around that game, I changed it so that now Vandervere is the fourth villain of the game along with all the others still in it. That was the film can still be seen, but instead have an actual villain of that franchise appear in there instead.
I bet Disney decided to take inspiration from how he had been depicted both ways and basically splits his character in two by having them be brothers. His good side being the good ringmaster and his evil said becoming the evil businessman.
These videos is the reason I subscribe
I really love bambi such a wonderful movie and I really adore his relationship with faline so adorableilly wholesome
You forgot to mention, in talking about the Ringmaster in the Disney parks, that he is also heard (though not seen) providing the safety spiel and other bits of commentary for the Casey Junior ride at Disneyland, once again with no hint of being evil. Incidentally, he's voiced by Ray Templin, who also voices both Stromboli and the Coachman at the Pinocchio ride nearby.
This video series is fantastic! Really looking forwards to your coverage of The Horned King! Also has anyone ever told you that you sound like Father Mulcahy from M*A*S*H?
Legal hunting and fishing may very well be necessary, but that doesn't change what the hunters did to Bambi's mom, so illegal hunters and fishers should be held responsible for animal cruelty.
I like how you cover the history of where the films based on books and such come from like in the Pinocchio video
Fun fact: Felix Salten, author of Bambi, is also most likely the author of the uncredited "Josephine Mutzenbacher". The latter book is, no joke, an erotic book detailing the sexual exploits of a little Viennese girl. The book begins when she's 5 and ends with her officially becoming a brothel prostitute at 13. Unlike Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, Salten's Josephine is played 100% straight, chiefly for titillation. Lolita was a subversion, and Nabokov himself was amused by readers who complained that Lolita was too dry/not steamy enough.
It should be noted that the original book "Bambi" is NOT children's literature. The scene where Gobo is shot is described in gory detail ("bloody entrails oozing from his flank"). Salten was absolutely not a children's author, and I find the idea of people thinking he was due to the Disney film absolutely hilarious.
Also, now I'm just imaging the bizarre alternate universe where Josephine was the Salten novel chosen for adaptation by Disney. Y'all think Bambi was heavily altered from the source material? Ain't seen nothin' yet...
Hermie Bing is a member of the "Anti-Heroes Club" on the Isle of the Lost in "Return to the Isle of the Lost". Other members include Eddie (son of Edgar from "The Aristocats") and Claudine Frollo (daughter of Claude Frollo from "The Hunchback of Notre Dame").
Maybe that's because of how he's been depicted both ways.
This retrospective is quite an interesting watch so far. Although I’m wondering how many parts will series will have, with all the pieces of media Disney makes and owns and all.
I don’t expect him to cover Fox at all.
I loved the wolf in Peter and the wolf and made me obsess over the story in general. The wolf to me was my nightmare and childhood as basically the night terrors showed me how the dream world works in a way. I’ve actually own the mini movie and often would have an obsession with stories that had wolfs as the antagonists and anything to do with scares
I remember something I read on Wikipedia that Man would be voiced by the late great Christopher Lee in Bambi 2 back in 2006.
I remember seeing people talking about that in some old forum archives, but I can't seem to find any direct citation for Lee's involvement (i.e. a press release or something).
That initial, eviler Ringmaster sure is an anti-Semitic stereotype.
Owls, on an average dont hunt rabbits, skunks and deers though. They mostly hunt rodents, so it would be fairly natural that the main characters could interact with Owl without fear. He is also one of the residents of the forest so the animals understand what he is and how he hunt. Its kinda funny but predator and prey can exist close to eachother without issues, well untill predator gets hungry. Man is not a resident of the forest. To the animals, man is like what a demon is to us. Surreal and unnatural.
4:48 A Tim Burton movie with good guy played by Danny DeVito and a bad guy played by Michael Keaton?
That's just a Batman Returns role reversal lmfao
Bambi is more understanding than the cartoon . In the book man isn’t evil in the book he’s a misunderstood figure. He only hunts for food to help his family and maybe for himself too . The hunting dogs are just dogs . But after the hunter accidentally shots himself Bambi and his father finally understand man isn’t evil hes just a misunderstood figure.
The hunting dog fighting the fox is one of most disturbing pages I ever read . The animals in forest tuant the dog but he tells them no no no I love him and he loves me . Man and hunting dog aren’t evil there just misunderstood figures
That really got lost in translation in Disney's adaptation
Thanks Colin for this wonderful series!
Woah this is super underrated. Hopefully the algorithm smiles on this video later lol
If Judge Doom really was the hunter, then strictly speaking it would be contradictory that Toons can't be killed traditionally. If it were canon I see Bambi's mother still living in Toontown after her one and only acting role and the toon who played the Hunter becoming Judge Doom, inventing the dip and turning to crime for revenge at having all his scenes in Bambi cut by Walt Disney.
It was said that nobody ever liked that toon, so he must have been a terrible person to begin with. It could have been why the decision was made not to show Man directly, at least partly to show him what Mr. Disney and his cast and crew thought of his condescending attitude.
He shot her with a dip gun.
Great work as always! I can't wait for the next one!
I feel that if we get a villain movie for the hunter it would be the most wholsome movie. A poor family in need of decent food. Fails a hunting trip in the fall. Only to secure a kill in mid winter. Their family cabin in the woods threatened by careless campers who start a forest fire. The hunter that shoots bambi's mother should be the son. The grandfather should be showing him how to survive off the land. His father died of the black lung working in the coal mines. Mom works in town as a waitress. With next to no money coming in. The forest must provide for their needs. Years later the boy is a man. His grandfather is gone. And he brought his brought his son to the cabin. To learn to be a man.
hmm never thought about Gaston, little kid me always thought it was Fox and the Hound since they go on a winter hunting trip
As a kid I always considered the snobby old lady elephant who ostracizes Dumbo for his ears and then for becoming a clown to be a bigger villain, or one of the Pink Elephants just cause...urgghh. That one that's just made of heads scared me as a kid based on looks alone
You compared the ominous music signaling the threat of Man to the ominous music from "Jaws". Interestingly, "Bambi" had a re-release in 1975, around the exact same time as "Jaws". Coincidence?
My favorite man type of Man from Bambi was the Saturday Night Live Version of Him.
I hope he makes a Part 7 that would be nice!
Yeah, I never really saw the Ringmaster as a villain. Just a businessman who wants to run a successful circus.
my dad is a big outdoorsman and he's deer hunted many times. even has some mounted on the wall. yet Bambi is one of his favorite Disney films. mine as well. of course we're gonna be seen as the villains through the perspective of these wild animals. its only natural.
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Well, actually, There were my favorite villains in two movies, Aconcagua, Argentina Ostriches, The Condor, and The Toy Bull. And there are a few more characters who are viewed as villains, Smitty, The Rowdy Boys, & The Circus Employee Guards. And even make mine music has a few more villains who are viewed. They are Professor Tetti-Tatti’s Sailors.
Interesting fact about the book Bambi. It was once banned during Nazi German due to how people could view the symbolism in the book for the mistreatment of the Jews and the original copies were burned. Now if you happen to find an actual original copy of Bambi a life in the woods, it is worth a fortune.
i absolutely LOVE Bambi for how it views humanity from the animals' point of view. Man is terrifying, an unseen, uncaring force that kills with incomprehensible means and no regard for life, a power from outside their world that can even corrupt other animals (the dogs). Man is an intruder that has full power, and anyone can be next. i love horror and this definitely has a horror angle to it.
i definitely don't think the hunter should be seen as such and rather it's a standin for humanity as a whole, cause at this point, anything we do harms the natural world because of our lifestyles.
7:47 To be honest, I think that it was Man or He who took care of Gobo and gave him a second chance, and that Gobo later approached an different hunter who then killed him.
not long ago i saw a version of Tim burton, but there, instead of being a victim and falling to whipped cream dumbo was a firefighter who had to use his trunk and spray water onto fire
In the book it goes something like this;
Fox: He is a monster who destroys everything!
Dog: no He is creator of all things who deserves to take whatever he wants so get with the program!
In a Little Golden Book adaptation by Teddy Slater, there is a scene where the Ringmaster is furious at Dumbo for ruining the pyramid act that he threatens to send the little elephant to a zoo until the Ringmaster calmed down and decided to make Dumbo a clown instead since he looks funny.
Interesting how that book made him also more threatening.
I have to wonder if that's based a deleted scene.
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And also at least he didn’t want to turn Dumbo into an umbrella holder…
10:05 This storyboard idea was reused for The Lion King.
11:14 makes me think of The Fox and The Hound.
I suppose it's symbolically fitting that man's greatest act of harm comes via not evil, but simple incompetence. Isn't that always the way it is with people?
I should watch bambi again its animation is pretty amazing