I freeze water in those disposable bottles like you have all the time especially in the spring, summer and fall when I go running or walking or even hiking. You just leave an inch from the top for expansion and keep the cap loose or off as you freeze them and they will never break. I've been using the same two bottles for almost two years with no problems. I do like and have the Nalgene bottles too ! They are good. Great video and thanks for doing them ! Good Job !!!
I use a reservoir for the convenience and I like how the water stays insulated from the air temperature in my bag. So refreshing to get a mouthful of cold water on a hot hike.
Hey man what's up. I use my Nalgene bottle on the trails and I love them. They r sturdy. Water tight. You can use it as a hot water bottle in ur sleeping bag. And I use a life straw to filter my water so it fits very nicely into it. Love your videos and keep up the good work
Great tip! We recently started bringing disposable bottles. They are so much more convenient and lightweight. I did not think about bringing spare caps; I'll have to do that next time. Thanks!
I use a Camelbak for cycling and Backpacking. Easy access to hydrate, plus with the hydration bladder being close to your spine it keeps your pack pretty evenly balanced. I use a crumpled water bottle as a back up for drink pack mixes. I plan to DIY a Sawyer mini to my Camelbak this spring.
Yeah, the Sawyer Mini's potential for DIY inline projects is definitely pretty cool. I'm looking forward to seeing some people's projects start to pop up...
Warning I am not trying to set anyone off: my thoughts are you can only use A disposable for about three days so those $.99 bottles add up over time plus they're damaging earth when you throw them away so I would rather go with the non-disposable. Another thing that could be said is that in heat or in very cold weather the non-disposable is made of cheap plastic and chemicals can be burned off into the water but that's just my preference can you tell me what your is.
Lexie Fullerton Why do you only say three days? Ive gone countless days using them. You also assume people throw them in the garbage but people like me recycle.
+Lexie Fullerton I used the same two smartwater bottles at least a month or more on the AT. squeezing them to filter water from one bottle to another was the only thing that evenually may wear them out.
I’m only concerned if water is heated in the plastic. There was a time where I used disposable bottles when traveling. And in summer, I always made sure they stayed in the shade. I’d get a big water bottle at the beginning of a trip, and refill for the week, and often, wash, dry and use on the next trip.
I freeze the disposable bottles all the time. So far no cracked bottles or failed lids but they do swell some.They make great ice packs for the cooler when car camping or anytime I need ice for a cooler. They last longer than cubes and no soggy food in the cooler. Plus I have water when the finally thaw out. Like you I carry the disposable ones backpacking except in the winter when it's below freezing. The Nalgene bottle will also fit inside my GSA minamalist cook pot. I cut off a Nalgene bottle just about 1/2 way now it a glow in the dark coffee cup/measuring cup. 1/2 a bottle weighs just under 3oz Thanks for the video Jeff
+1 for disposable -1 for bladders. I have had some bad and even life threatening problems with bladders all related to leaks. On a very hot and sweaty summer trip, my 4 L bladder dripped all day in an area with no place to collect water. I ran out and did a good portion of the trip dehydrated nearly to the point of blackout. On a cold trip, one leaked inside my tent and I woke up hypothermic in a pool of several liters of very cold water and all of my clothing was drenched too. I didn't have much way to get warm. I also find them to be really cumbersome to remove from the sleeve in the pack to refill. Usually it means repacking part of my bag. I hang a disposable bottle with a micro carabiner from the front of the right shoulder strap and use a small bungee cord to secure the bottom of the bottle. Easy access, no leaks, helps bring the center of gravity of the pack closer to the spine, and total weight of that setup is less than 2 oz including the bottle.
AMAZING VIDEO!!! Love this. Lots of people forget about the simple things. I use metal-stainless steel so that I can boil in my water bottle. The BPA and other chemicals in disposable bottles really bothers me so I NEVER drink out of plastic bottles.
My favorite dispisable botter has been the 33 oz Smartwater. I've used it inside a sleeping bag with near boiling water and it held up well. I've had a lot of issues with the Voss bottle. It looks like a nice bottle with its wide mouth but the cap is prone to breaking and the bottle melts easily.
Update: The Smart Water bottle fits Sawyer filters perfectly, comes in a couple sizes, can fit in a places easier than the gatorade bottle and is replacing the gatorade bottles as the disposable favorite.
I'm a huge fan of Nalgene. Made in USA, BPA free, and ridiculously durable. My friend turned my brother and I on to them and we use them for work as well as for hiking (though I usually use my Camelbak for the latter). We are both concerned about the inability to boil in them, but that's really the only caveat we've found.
If you carry the hand warmers/ toe warmers already, try sticking one in the bottom of the insulator for your bottle for those really cold trips.(if you havnt thought of this already) works pretty good and they dont weight much.
Hi Sintax, On the AT I used a smartwater bottle. The reason was my sawyer water filter fit perfectly. On some of the other water bottles the threads didn't match the filter. The gatorade bottle is great for a pee bottle in the middle of the night if its raining or your just lazy. But a large freezer bags works just as well and holds more and is easier to store and lighter to carry. Capt. America
You know I decided to keep on using my Nalgene regardless of the weight because one night my sleeping bag got wet and hypothermia was a threat so I boiled water and put it in a gatorade bottle and it obviously warped it. So At least I can be sure they wont fail.
Great video Sintax. Thank you for sharing. I prefer the 32oz Poweraid bottles over the Gatorade. They have a smaller diameter and fit into mesh pockets better. The bladders work great for hands free operation, but I don't like the fact you can't really tell how much water is left until you are out.
Great point about the freezing tube on the hydration bladder. Even with the insulated sleeve, my Camelbak bladder's hose freezes up within 30 minutes in temps below 10 degrees. You either have to drink every few minutes, or it will freeze solid.
I always pick up a Nalgene when I see one at a thrift store. I take them kayak and bike camping. I love disposables; they fold away to nothing. You can always carry a few of them. Thanks for sharing.
Very good points on both styles of bottles. I watched your winter backpacking video and tried N tried to find that insulated bottle bag. Finally found the right words to use "H2O COOLER". Picked up 2 of them one was $12.00 the other $12.95...The $12.95 one has more durability. Dasani bottle lids are better in my opinion. I lean towards the nalgene bottles because my filter screws on wide mouth. Thanx for your vids, I get great ideas from you.
I have around 15 Nalgene bottles, most one liter. I bought most of them by haunting charitable thrift stores. They put them on the shelves right next to the garbage, you just have to educate yourself. Several are hospital or college giveaways, so a phone call to that college asking for a bottle and a catalog might score you a Nalgene. I have a few I bought because they're for special purposes, but overall I spent less than $25 and I have gallons of top of the line water storage.
BTW, I don't do the hydration bladder thing because I'm not an all my eggs in one basket kind of guy. This way, I can add or subtract as needed and distribute the weight in my pack or packs. I really think the biggest disadvantage of many is just weight and expense. Weight, I don't care about, expense, I've already solved. With my Sawyer filter, I have a complete portable water treatment plant.
Most of the year i fil all my Walter bottles or bladders a quarter full and keep Them in the freezer overnight ,and Them fill Them up the next Day so that i have cold water alot longer,you have areally interesting site thanks for putting all the work in
I remember once I was winter camping and NOT paying attention to one of my original Nalgene bottle that were a lil close to the fire. Water boiled and seared a pin sized hole in the bottle, LOL!!! Dude it was just funny and a good lesson... But I agree with you. plus you heat up some snow, pour in Nalgenes (3- two were empty), tahdah, hot water bottles!... yah, -5 warm bag, pricless....
Yep I usually just go with the water bottles. In addition I sometimes take the Platypus 3 liter big zip. If I do its because water sources might be scarce or I know I'm not worried about the weight so much because I'm not hiking real far. It will hold a lot or water and for 6 oz. its worth it. It also rolls up to almost nothing when empty. Its also great when your at camp because you can hang it on a branch and have 3 liters ready to go for what ever you need it for. Fill the pot, washing up, brushing teeth, etc.
I use those gatorade squeeze bottles like they use to give football players water out on the field between time outs. You may have seen people running on the field carrying 3 or 4 bottles squirting water in their mouth. They are great. They are between the thickness of a nalgene bottle and the disposable bottle. There are no caps or lids to lose. They hold around 32 oz. I paid around 2 or 3 bucks for them.
Disposable on my ULA Circuit Shoulder Strap and two 1.0 L Platypus rolled up in my pack with either full size Sawyer Squeeze or the Sawyer Squeeze Mini. Thanks for an interesting perspective Sean. Nice job.
Sintax, love your video's! Water is plentiful on the AT so I use a 0.5 and 1.0 liter bottle. The .25 oz bottle lasts for several weeks. I've woken up to frozen water in my bottles several times and it's never been an issue. We use the .25 oz bottle golfing all the time. Fill them with water and store them in the freezer. They supply ice cold water for several hours on the course. They hold up just fine.
I like the smart water bottles. They're a little more sturdy than the typical cheap disposable bottle but they're still fairly light weight. They're also taller and narrower so they slide in and out of the water bottle pouch on your backpack. Also they don't make that crinkly sound like the cheaper disposable bottles.
Great video and excellent ideas/discussion. If you want to use a bladder in colder climate, you can get insulated sleeves for your drinking tube. I use my camelback bladder all year long without issues. I am like you, with the convenience of the tube I find myself constantly sipping on it; however, if I am carrying bottles I never drink enough water while on my adventures. Thanks for posting this video!
one key to not having water freeze damage your disposables is to not fill them up all the way. Good advice for the nalgene. Also put hot water in your nalgene or disposables you're not going to drink from right away. Then save your hand warmers for a bit later. You could probably salvage an old car windshield dash reflector and make one or two insulated cases for your bottles.
Hey sintax, my preferred water bottle is a smart water bottle. Its a little more rugged. Also, i like the platypus bottles. Can roll those up and takes little room in the pack!
Very helpful stuff. I thought I'd give some of my thoughts. Apologies in advance for the longness of this post. PET clear bottles like you're showing definitely work short term but long term (or even weeklong), no. My family used to use these long term, meaning for months. We would freeze a little water in them and use them to keep water cold. The plastic on the inside would start to visibly crack and slough off into the water. Even thinking about these bottles makes me a little sick to my stomach. We still use them, but I don't like using them for more than a couple days and don't really like disposable bottles like this for environmental reasons, even recycling them. They're cheap but I'm kinda on the fence as a beginner using them for backpacking. I wouldn't want them as my primary water source on something like the Appalachian Trail because they'd be too hard to clean. My true start carrying big gear was when I went to Cibola High in Albuquerque-- 3500 students and about maybe 2000 lockers so I ended up carrying all my books and stuff--fifty pounds of it--in a Eureka hiking backpack daily. I carried stainless steel. They are absolutely bombproof. I still have the bottles today. A little heavy for serious backpacking though. When I started wilderness hiking I went with "bombproof"--Nalgene Oasis canteen with canteen cup, stove, and cover. Kinda heavy. Not so easy to clean. 4.5 oz for the canteen alone. I love the canteen, the covers are good for putting on a belt, so okay for day hiking. Get $5 covers and $9 Oasis canteens and you've got a neat system. I usually carry one plus bear spray on the other side cause the neighbors let their pitbulls out on the street I live on. When I use hiking poles, though, canteens tend to flop around too much. I switched to a 3l Geigerrig Hydration Engine. Very expensive. I no longer use this bladder not due to weight (8.8 oz) but difficulty cleaning and maintenance, in spite of the fact that it's said to be one of the easiest to clean. Water developed a nasty taste and I found that all the parts had to be disassembled and allowed to dry or it would mildew, and it didn't seem like the bite valve was engineered to be disassembled in such a way that it would remain clean. I added an insulated tube with bite valve cover. The cover, rather than keeping it clean like I thought, just increased the mildew issue by keeping the water stuck around the bite valve. The real problem with bladder maintenance is the one thing people like them for, namely, the bite valve and tube. Adding to that, you can't get the water out unless you suck on it, or unless it has the pressure chamber like the Hydration Engine, so it's harder to use the water for cooking/cleaning. And if you overpressurize a Geigerrig it could burst. I'm not really impressed by these bladders overall. So I'm going back to water bottles. Typically I carry two liters of water, with the third used in case of a long stretch without sufficient water. So I use an ultralight UVPE Nalgene (3.8 oz) as an emergency supply, and pack my glasses and toiletries in it for protection most of the time, replacing my glasses case and tool bag which weighed, get this, about 3.5 oz. I found two Dick's Sporting Goods LDPE bottles for $5 apiece. 2.8 oz for a bottle with a wide mouth bottle with a sport nozzle, which can be squeezed. They're identical to the Nalgenes in shape. I also tried and returned a Gatorade bottle. It was .3 oz lighter, but the newer ones will simply squirt water out whenever they're sqeezed slightly and have no way of stopping this. The lightest PET bottle I found (which is like your Deer Park bottle) weighed 1.2 oz on my scale. The carbon footprint is likely better with the heavier bottles (I'm a Sustainability Studies minor). PET won't leach BPA but will leach small amounts of antimony, not really a concern but a thought. UVPE, LDPE and HDPE won't leach anything. I wish my Dick's bottles were lighter, but for the extra 1.6 oz per bottle you're getting a bottle that won't leach chemicals, can be cleaned and reused, and have better performance in winter. They're about an ounce lighter than ultralight Nalgenes and a couple dollars cheaper. I think they may be a good compromise between heavy Nalgenes and PET bottles. Thank you for your advice in the video Sintax.
I actually hike with a hydro flask which is heavy as beat all but I really dig having my coffee / soup hot for a long time... like for early morning hikes when your slightly chilled nothing like a warm sip of something.
I have actually used the Gartorade bottle for additional heat in my sleeping bag when it was 20 degrees at night. I heated the water to "fish eyes" ( small bubbles at bottom of pan before the water boils) not to boiling and poured it into the bottle. It did not melt the bottle and I had additional warmth all night. BTW, I also tried heating water to "fish eyes" with a Smart Water bottle, it melted the bottle.
Agree with weight savings. Totally do. However, recently I've been using a 18oz Hydroflask on the trail. Yeah, it's heavy, but damn does it feel great to drink cold water 15 hours after you put it in. Of course, I supplement that with a 32oz gatorade bottle or two. Sometimes I just use the Hydro for beer. But man, are those things killer.
I wouldn't worry too much about freezing the bottled water bottles. I freeze them, unopened, all the time to use as drinkable ice packs in my cooler when fishing, car camping, etc. I've never had one burst, the bottom just pushes from concave to convex. Just a thought.
Personally.. I like the platypus Big Zip Hyrdration Bladder. When I started out I was using the canteen.. but the buttons on the molle webbing would come undone dropping the whole thing to the ground.. which was annoying. I tend to sweat a lot so I drink a lot of water.. and running out on a hike.. which I've seen happen. Totally sucks. Thanks for the video
So, I have to carry 4L minimum on any trip I ever go on- yay medical conditions! I grew up carrying Nalgenes because that's all we had, and buying bottled water was never a thought for me. Then I started backpacking a lot more than just once every few years and started wanting to cut weight. I discovered UL and was like :o "woah". Cut about a pound out just in water containers. Took a few Gatorade bottles, busted a few Gatorade bottles, didn't like misplacing the caps, and also just hated using disposable things in the woods. Yeah, I'd recycle after using them, but still. But now I'm back to Nalgene, but the HDPE version. Recyclable, more durable than the clear poly types, cheaper, and recyclable. 3oz for a narrow mouth 32oz and 4.5oz for a wide mouth 32oz. My water has to be bombproof and the weight doesn't matter to me. I'll carry a smaller headlamp or something xD
Remember it's not just weight; but how the weight is distributed, ?the bladder's weight is centered and tight to the body. So it is barely noticed. A chemical hand warmer in the bottom of the water bottle pouch will help the water resist freezing, especially if the pouch is at all insulated. You have to change it out every few hours.
I always keep multiple clear bottles of water in my jeep, and ended up with pin holes in them and leaks. The Gatorade bottles are more solid but I could see them breaking too idk haven't tried. Just saying the typical dasani or aquafina bottle can puncture on thorns or something sharp on the ground if dropped. Idk, I wouldn't use the supper flimsy ones on a long trip myself. I use them on short fishing hikes.
jdssurf I used a Gatorade while cave camping and had no problems. The one thing I would recommend is carry extra caps in case it lands on the cap and breaks. I have never had one break if it lands on its bottom only when it landed on its cap.
Sintax77, Another great video. Thanks for sharing your ideas and thoughts. While I don't consider myself a weight-weenie or gram counter, a lighter pack is generally more enjoyable. I have run through several varieties of the disposable water bottles and I keep returning to the Smartwater brand (for a couple of reasons). 1st is that functionally, I like the way they fit in my pack’s pockets. They slide in and out easily while I am wearing my pack and they just ride nicely. The 2nd reason is purely personal … I just don’t like how flimsy the lighter bottles feel. Not a good reason, but it is my reason. Looking forward to more vids ... STinGa
Thank you, great video. Anyone every tell you sound like Fred Rogen? He is a sports reporter in Southern California. Love you videos please keep them coming.
I am really considering ditching my hydration bladder and switching to the Gatorade bottles. I know it isn't eco-friendly at all, and I AM concerned about BPA chemicals leaching into my water, but I figure every chance I get during a thru-hike, I can buy new bottles before they begin to degrade. Also, in my experience I never get enough water, I'm just horrible about loading up more frequently. I have a love-hate relationship with my hydration bladder... And I'm not sure I really do hydrate better using it. Hydration bladders weigh a lot too. But this season I will be testing out the bottle route, so we,ll see.
Smart water bottle. Thicker than standard water bottle but not as heavy as a Gatorade bottle. I've been using the same one everyday for the past 6 months and besides the label tearing up there is no real wear. For backpacking they fit in my side pockets better than anything else too.
I throw my jetboil around my nalgene, they nest really well with one another. plus, the silicone on the jetboil insulates the water a lot, and the space at the bottom of the jetboil can be used for stashing some protein powder, tea, some hot chocolate, or whatever else you might want to have with your water bottle/jetboil. i'm going to get a maxpedition water bottle pouch so i can add some utensils, spices, and my MSR pocket rocket for a full cook system. I like that nalgene's can stand up to high heat, that's important for me. the graduation marks are nice for cooking as well. For additional water, I guess it just depends on the day/activity//weather/my mood to decide how to carry it.
Hey Sintax! What up? 6+ ounces! More than I thought. I have to admit, the strength of the Nalgene outweighs the weight factor. Where I go, I'd be kinda screwed if my bottle broke. And those Russians have been known to stomp your water bottle.
When hunting regular plastic water bottles make a lot of noise however once you drink a little water out of a regular water bottle you can crush it down and conserve a little space with what water is left in it. Also during hunting trips I tend to purify water out of a creek, the Nalgene water bottle works great for this because of the white mouth. Ill cover the mouth with a cloth and filter the water into the bottle ill then use water purification treatment to purify the water then dump it in my 6 L bladder until it's full. Great point made here though it sucks having to spend so much money on backpacking gear, it's nothing to have $1000 worth of gear on your back
The one upside to the insulated bottle is if you put hot water in it during the winter it will stay liquid a lot longer. But in 3 season use it's just a waist of weight.
At first it was my preference to use the regular plastic disposable water bottles, until I fell and it busted in my pack. Not good times, now I don't mind the extra couple of ounces in exchange for a durable nalgene.
This might have already been mentioned about caps... For just drinking on the trail.. you can get a Poland Spring sports bottle with a squirt cap.. at least when you are drinking on the trail.. the cover is attached to the cap! So only time to worry about losing a cap is when you refill.
I backpack in desert conditions of Arizona and southern Utah, and your water supply is your life. I will never use a bladder or a flimsy disposable water bottle that can be punctured and leak away your lifeline. Nalgene all the way for me. W
I used to have some of those monstrous white plastic hexagonal bottles with stopper and screw top. On those the stopper strap would eventually break. Also had a nalgene type bottle, the lid strap also broke on that. Also about BPA free....the chemical they uesd to replace BPA is actually much worse for you than the BPA is. Although I think BPA type stuff is only needed for the 1 plastics, not the others.
I use the hydration bladder with one nalgene the bladder camelbak makes sleeves that go over the tube and insulate it and 11 oz isn't heavy for carrying the capacity of 3 nalgenes
Considering the Osprey Bladder (3L) is 3x 'Other' Bottles, its equivalent to 3.5oz or 99g, probably the best choice of all IMO, excepting freezing weather (no experience).
You can Never go wrong carrying an extra gateraide bottle in case the hydration bladder springs a leak. You can use it for dry storage for seasoning packets, dry tinder, matches or anything else small you'd want to keep dry.
Plastic #1 (PETE OR PET) This is polyethylene terephtalate, also known as PETE or PET. Most disposable soda and water bottles are made of #1 plastic, and it’s usually clear. This plastic is considered generally safe. However, it is known to have a porous surface that allows bacteria and flavor to accumulate, so it is best not to keep reusing these bottles as makeshift containers. This plastic is picked up by most curbside recycling programs.
It seems by 2017, smartwater bottles are common, with the nipple, both the 16.9 oz and 1 l, for weight and because they can use the nipple to backflush a sawyer filter
I like to carry a disposable smartwater bottle, and then if I have to carry more I use Platypus 1.0 liter or 2.0 liter. They are light and roll up small when not in use. Good video, come on spring ! Peace
I like the hands-free option of a bladder, but a decent one can be heavy. Also putting a full bladder into a pack can be a hassle. Water bottles are handy, but I find I'm less likely to constantly hydrate if I have to put away my hiking pole for a sec to take a sip. Jetflow.com makes a gadget (that's right; another backpacking gadget) that converts disposable water bottles to hydration bladders. It's just a screw-on top with a hose barb to attach a drinking hose. You can use a light weight, cheap, easy to full disposable bottle and still be hands free. Kinda pricey though. Jetflow.com is the website.
I dont know if others have said this, but i really have heard good things about MSR dromedary bags. The black, more durable bags specifically. I have heard from others, that they have seen them stand up to weeks of back country use, and serious abuse.
winter accent or hiking tips with nalgene..melt your water for the next day at night before going to bed and fill the nalgene wrap it up with extra clothes or gloves and tuck it into your sleeping bag foot box..keeps warm feet all night... i use kolfach hard flexible light mountaineering boots also with removable liners that i keep on my feet when i take my boots off..keeps me from having to put on cold boots in the morning. i also tuck my nalgene inside my coat the straps from my pack hold it in place and keeps it from freezing..we always brought a nalgene and then used camelback with insulated line kept in our coats..e had to learn tricks up in the high cascades during winter accents to keep our water from freezing...also the sleeping bags trickis how you can go with a lighter sleeping bag then usually save weight by usingtheheat from your melting snow to keep warm..also wearing our clothes to bed insteead of taking them off..sleeping bags also will dry out gear like glves..tuck them in your sleeping bag ontop. in the morning brush the frost off of the top of your sleeping bag . that is from your body heat drying out the gloves and also your sweat.. you can also dry gear inside the tent hanging up it turns to frost but it drys..doesnt work as well in a 2 man tent solo..need 2 guys body heat to work better.. to much airspace is harder to warm up.
plastic disposable bottles don't burst open when they freeze, we freeze them all the time in the summer and take them during the day to work, school or play.
you mention soviet invasion scenario, why not a stainless steel single wall like a kleen kanteen for boiling water too? sure its heavier being steel, but multipurpose for multi-day or longer term
Disposable water bottles do not break ever. I routinely freeze a bunch of them and use them as an ice replacement for coolers. You can use them to get a high density of ice in a cooler for essentially free if you would be consuming the water anyway. Still like the video, thank you.
Jowee Thomspon Yes, they do. I think all those shapes and moldings put into the bottle are there so they can spring out to longer lengths or larger diameters without breaking. They are ingenious. Not only are they essentially "free" cooler ice, they don't take up any space at all in a cooler. Because they are in fact the content for consumption, not wast to be poured out. There are other shocking facts about water bottles. Did you know that in fact they are not a source of pollution? They are in fact anti-pollution. Consider the sodium content of beverages. The general recipe design is to get as much salt in the bottle as possible to trigger you to be constantly thirsty. It's possible to cover a certain amount of saltiness with sugar so as consumer you don't realize you're being duped. They can actually dehydrate you. In my own testing with outdoor summer events, I consume only about 1/4 - 1/3 the servings of beverages that I do when I consumed soda. And, I am better hydrated. For every water bottle discarded into the environment by some dirty butt, there would be 3 or 4 beverage containers if they were consuming soda. It's counter intuitive to the collective but the truth none the less.
You could also use one liter platypus collapsable water bottles there 1 liter and collapse to about .5 in by 4.5 in they weigh about the same as the disposable bottle but there like 5-10 bucks
they can survive a drop on rocks but if sit on them they will most likly pop. If you poke it with a stick it will be fine but if you stab it with something prety had it will go through. they are prety sturdy but they are had to fill straight from a stream you would either need a pump filter or another bottle to fill them. price update for a 1 litter version they are $8.95 at this link tinyurl.com/zkszn5r on amazon.
hey man great videos long time watcher, first time poster. I saw in the video you have more than one backpack. any chance youre looking to sell an old one?
Here in NM I keep a case of water in the trunk and rotate the water to the kitchen or a bottle to sip from. And if I have to bug out with the "Get Home Bag" then I can fill the water bladder. The only water in NM is couple of rivers in a few places-- the Rio Grande or the Pecos river. The only close water is two hundred feet down is near a well or a town ! Have a water filter; but not much surface water to use it with ! Remember the "The Ten Essentials". Eyes UP and lights down, tjl Sent by Win7Pro64 w/ADSL
There is a solution to the Water bladder freezing up They make a neoprean sleeve for the water tube to keep it cool in the summer and warm enough in the winter not to freeze.
They say you expose yourself to the BPAs by reusing the disposable water bottles, much more so than when the bottle is new from the bottling plant. I see they sell light weight Nalgene bottles not sure on the weight savings.
I freeze water in those disposable bottles like you have all the time especially in the spring, summer and fall when I go running or walking or even hiking. You just leave an inch from the top for expansion and keep the cap loose or off as you freeze them and they will never break. I've been using the same two bottles for almost two years with no problems. I do like and have the Nalgene bottles too ! They are good. Great video and thanks for doing them ! Good Job !!!
I use a reservoir for the convenience and I like how the water stays insulated from the air temperature in my bag. So refreshing to get a mouthful of cold water on a hot hike.
Hey man what's up. I use my Nalgene bottle on the trails and I love them. They r sturdy. Water tight. You can use it as a hot water bottle in ur sleeping bag. And I use a life straw to filter my water so it fits very nicely into it. Love your videos and keep up the good work
Great tip! We recently started bringing disposable bottles. They are so much more convenient and lightweight.
I did not think about bringing spare caps; I'll have to do that next time. Thanks!
I use a Camelbak for cycling and Backpacking. Easy access to hydrate, plus with the hydration bladder being close to your spine it keeps your pack pretty evenly balanced. I use a crumpled water bottle as a back up for drink pack mixes. I plan to DIY a Sawyer mini to my Camelbak this spring.
Yeah, the Sawyer Mini's potential for DIY inline projects is definitely pretty cool. I'm looking forward to seeing some people's projects start to pop up...
Warning I am not trying to set anyone off: my thoughts are you can only use A disposable for about three days so those $.99 bottles add up over time plus they're damaging earth when you throw them away so I would rather go with the non-disposable. Another thing that could be said is that in heat or in very cold weather the non-disposable is made of cheap plastic and chemicals can be burned off into the water but that's just my preference can you tell me what your is.
Lexie Fullerton Why do you only say three days? Ive gone countless days using them. You also assume people throw them in the garbage but people like me recycle.
+Lexie Fullerton I used the same two smartwater bottles at least a month or more on the AT. squeezing them to filter water from one bottle to another was the only thing that evenually may wear them out.
I’m only concerned if water is heated in the plastic. There was a time where I used disposable bottles when traveling. And in summer, I always made sure they stayed in the shade. I’d get a big water bottle at the beginning of a trip, and refill for the week, and often, wash, dry and use on the next trip.
I can take the extra weight for no BPA
pro tip: watch series on flixzone. Been using them for watching all kinds of movies lately.
@Finnegan Alexzander Yup, been using Flixzone for years myself =)
I freeze the disposable bottles all the time. So far no cracked bottles or failed lids but they do swell some.They make great ice packs for the cooler when car camping or anytime I need ice for a cooler. They last longer than cubes and no soggy food in the cooler. Plus I have water when the finally thaw out.
Like you I carry the disposable ones backpacking except in the winter when it's below freezing.
The Nalgene bottle will also fit inside my GSA minamalist cook pot. I cut off a Nalgene bottle just about 1/2 way now it a glow in the dark coffee cup/measuring cup. 1/2 a bottle weighs just under 3oz
Thanks for the video
Jeff
+1 for disposable -1 for bladders. I have had some bad and even life threatening problems with bladders all related to leaks. On a very hot and sweaty summer trip, my 4 L bladder dripped all day in an area with no place to collect water. I ran out and did a good portion of the trip dehydrated nearly to the point of blackout. On a cold trip, one leaked inside my tent and I woke up hypothermic in a pool of several liters of very cold water and all of my clothing was drenched too. I didn't have much way to get warm. I also find them to be really cumbersome to remove from the sleeve in the pack to refill. Usually it means repacking part of my bag.
I hang a disposable bottle with a micro carabiner from the front of the right shoulder strap and use a small bungee cord to secure the bottom of the bottle. Easy access, no leaks, helps bring the center of gravity of the pack closer to the spine, and total weight of that setup is less than 2 oz including the bottle.
AMAZING VIDEO!!! Love this. Lots of people forget about the simple things. I use metal-stainless steel so that I can boil in my water bottle. The BPA and other chemicals in disposable bottles really bothers me so I NEVER drink out of plastic bottles.
My favorite dispisable botter has been the 33 oz Smartwater. I've used it inside a sleeping bag with near boiling water and it held up well. I've had a lot of issues with the Voss bottle. It looks like a nice bottle with its wide mouth but the cap is prone to breaking and the bottle melts easily.
Update: The Smart Water bottle fits Sawyer filters perfectly, comes in a couple sizes, can fit in a places easier than the gatorade bottle and is replacing the gatorade bottles as the disposable favorite.
I'm a huge fan of Nalgene. Made in USA, BPA free, and ridiculously durable. My friend turned my brother and I on to them and we use them for work as well as for hiking (though I usually use my Camelbak for the latter). We are both concerned about the inability to boil in them, but that's really the only caveat we've found.
If you carry the hand warmers/ toe warmers already, try sticking one in the bottom of the insulator for your bottle for those really cold trips.(if you havnt thought of this already) works pretty good and they dont weight much.
SN0GLE Good tip, thank you!
Hi Sintax, On the AT I used a smartwater bottle. The reason was my sawyer water filter fit perfectly. On some of the other water bottles the threads didn't match the filter. The gatorade bottle is great for a pee bottle in the middle of the night if its raining or your just lazy. But a large freezer bags works just as well and holds more and is easier to store and lighter to carry.
Capt. America
You know I decided to keep on using my Nalgene regardless of the weight because one night my sleeping bag got wet and hypothermia was a threat so I boiled water and put it in a gatorade bottle and it obviously warped it. So At least I can be sure they wont fail.
I love your videos great for a old beginner backpacker like me. Keep them coming.
Great video Sintax. Thank you for sharing. I prefer the 32oz Poweraid bottles over the Gatorade. They have a smaller diameter and fit into mesh pockets better. The bladders work great for hands free operation, but I don't like the fact you can't really tell how much water is left until you are out.
Great point about the freezing tube on the hydration bladder. Even with the insulated sleeve, my Camelbak bladder's hose freezes up within 30 minutes in temps below 10 degrees. You either have to drink every few minutes, or it will freeze solid.
I always pick up a Nalgene when I see one at a thrift store. I take them kayak and bike camping. I love disposables; they fold away to nothing. You can always carry a few of them. Thanks for sharing.
Very good points on both styles of bottles. I watched your winter backpacking video and tried N tried to find that insulated bottle bag. Finally found the right words to use
"H2O COOLER". Picked up 2 of them one was $12.00 the other $12.95...The $12.95 one has more durability. Dasani bottle lids are better in my opinion. I lean towards the nalgene bottles because my filter screws on wide mouth. Thanx for your vids, I get great ideas from you.
I have around 15 Nalgene bottles, most one liter. I bought most of them by haunting charitable thrift stores. They put them on the shelves right next to the garbage, you just have to educate yourself. Several are hospital or college giveaways, so a phone call to that college asking for a bottle and a catalog might score you a Nalgene. I have a few I bought because they're for special purposes, but overall I spent less than $25 and I have gallons of top of the line water storage.
BTW, I don't do the hydration bladder thing because I'm not an all my eggs in one basket kind of guy. This way, I can add or subtract as needed and distribute the weight in my pack or packs. I really think the biggest disadvantage of many is just weight and expense. Weight, I don't care about, expense, I've already solved. With my Sawyer filter, I have a complete portable water treatment plant.
Roger Komula Good tips, man - thanks!
Most of the year i fil all my Walter bottles or bladders a quarter full and keep Them in the freezer overnight ,and Them fill Them up the next Day so that i have cold water alot longer,you have areally interesting site thanks for putting all the work in
I carry a Berkey sport bottle with filter. It's a little more eight, but, if I come across a water source I can scoop and go. I love it.
I remember once I was winter camping and NOT paying attention to one of my original Nalgene bottle that were a lil close to the fire. Water boiled and seared a pin sized hole in the bottle, LOL!!!
Dude it was just funny and a good lesson... But I agree with you. plus you heat up some snow, pour in Nalgenes (3- two were empty), tahdah, hot water bottles!... yah, -5 warm bag, pricless....
Yep I usually just go with the water bottles. In addition I sometimes take the Platypus 3 liter big zip. If I do its because water sources might be scarce or I know I'm not worried about the weight so much because I'm not hiking real far. It will hold a lot or water and for 6 oz. its worth it. It also rolls up to almost nothing when empty. Its also great when your at camp because you can hang it on a branch and have 3 liters ready to go for what ever you need it for. Fill the pot, washing up, brushing teeth, etc.
I use those gatorade squeeze bottles like they use to give football players water out on the field between time outs. You may have seen people running on the field carrying 3 or 4 bottles squirting water in their mouth. They are great. They are between the thickness of a nalgene bottle and the disposable bottle. There are no caps or lids to lose. They hold around 32 oz. I paid around 2 or 3 bucks for them.
Disposable on my ULA Circuit Shoulder Strap and two 1.0 L Platypus rolled up in my pack with either full size Sawyer Squeeze or the Sawyer Squeeze Mini. Thanks for an interesting perspective Sean. Nice job.
Sintax, love your video's! Water is plentiful on the AT so I use a 0.5 and 1.0 liter bottle. The .25 oz bottle lasts for several weeks. I've woken up to frozen water in my bottles several times and it's never been an issue. We use the .25 oz bottle golfing all the time. Fill them with water and store them in the freezer. They supply ice cold water for several hours on the course. They hold up just fine.
Score another point for disposables!
I like the smart water bottles. They're a little more sturdy than the typical cheap disposable bottle but they're still fairly light weight. They're also taller and narrower so they slide in and out of the water bottle pouch on your backpack. Also they don't make that crinkly sound like the cheaper disposable bottles.
Great video and excellent ideas/discussion. If you want to use a bladder in colder climate, you can get insulated sleeves for your drinking tube. I use my camelback bladder all year long without issues. I am like you, with the convenience of the tube I find myself constantly sipping on it; however, if I am carrying bottles I never drink enough water while on my adventures. Thanks for posting this video!
Just recently found your channel. You have a lot of good information :) Thanks for sharing!
Abrahm
BSA Bushcraft Thanks, Abraham. Welcome aboard! :)
one key to not having water freeze damage your disposables is to not fill them up all the way. Good advice for the nalgene. Also put hot water in your nalgene or disposables you're not going to drink from right away. Then save your hand warmers for a bit later. You could probably salvage an old car windshield dash reflector and make one or two insulated cases for your bottles.
Hey sintax, my preferred water bottle is a smart water bottle. Its a little more rugged. Also, i like the platypus bottles. Can roll those up and takes little room in the pack!
Aww, man, good call - I totally forgot to bring my Patypus bottle out for the video, but they're an awesome option.
Very helpful stuff. I thought I'd give some of my thoughts. Apologies in advance for the longness of this post.
PET clear bottles like you're showing definitely work short term but long term (or even weeklong), no. My family used to use these long term, meaning for months. We would freeze a little water in them and use them to keep water cold. The plastic on the inside would start to visibly crack and slough off into the water. Even thinking about these bottles makes me a little sick to my stomach. We still use them, but I don't like using them for more than a couple days and don't really like disposable bottles like this for environmental reasons, even recycling them. They're cheap but I'm kinda on the fence as a beginner using them for backpacking. I wouldn't want them as my primary water source on something like the Appalachian Trail because they'd be too hard to clean.
My true start carrying big gear was when I went to Cibola High in Albuquerque-- 3500 students and about maybe 2000 lockers so I ended up carrying all my books and stuff--fifty pounds of it--in a Eureka hiking backpack daily. I carried stainless steel. They are absolutely bombproof. I still have the bottles today. A little heavy for serious backpacking though.
When I started wilderness hiking I went with "bombproof"--Nalgene Oasis canteen with canteen cup, stove, and cover. Kinda heavy. Not so easy to clean. 4.5 oz for the canteen alone. I love the canteen, the covers are good for putting on a belt, so okay for day hiking. Get $5 covers and $9 Oasis canteens and you've got a neat system. I usually carry one plus bear spray on the other side cause the neighbors let their pitbulls out on the street I live on.
When I use hiking poles, though, canteens tend to flop around too much. I switched to a 3l Geigerrig Hydration Engine. Very expensive. I no longer use this bladder not due to weight (8.8 oz) but difficulty cleaning and maintenance, in spite of the fact that it's said to be one of the easiest to clean. Water developed a nasty taste and I found that all the parts had to be disassembled and allowed to dry or it would mildew, and it didn't seem like the bite valve was engineered to be disassembled in such a way that it would remain clean. I added an insulated tube with bite valve cover. The cover, rather than keeping it clean like I thought, just increased the mildew issue by keeping the water stuck around the bite valve. The real problem with bladder maintenance is the one thing people like them for, namely, the bite valve and tube. Adding to that, you can't get the water out unless you suck on it, or unless it has the pressure chamber like the Hydration Engine, so it's harder to use the water for cooking/cleaning. And if you overpressurize a Geigerrig it could burst. I'm not really impressed by these bladders overall.
So I'm going back to water bottles. Typically I carry two liters of water, with the third used in case of a long stretch without sufficient water. So I use an ultralight UVPE Nalgene (3.8 oz) as an emergency supply, and pack my glasses and toiletries in it for protection most of the time, replacing my glasses case and tool bag which weighed, get this, about 3.5 oz. I found two Dick's Sporting Goods LDPE bottles for $5 apiece. 2.8 oz for a bottle with a wide mouth bottle with a sport nozzle, which can be squeezed. They're identical to the Nalgenes in shape. I also tried and returned a Gatorade bottle. It was .3 oz lighter, but the newer ones will simply squirt water out whenever they're sqeezed slightly and have no way of stopping this.
The lightest PET bottle I found (which is like your Deer Park bottle) weighed 1.2 oz on my scale. The carbon footprint is likely better with the heavier bottles (I'm a Sustainability Studies minor). PET won't leach BPA but will leach small amounts of antimony, not really a concern but a thought. UVPE, LDPE and HDPE won't leach anything. I wish my Dick's bottles were lighter, but for the extra 1.6 oz per bottle you're getting a bottle that won't leach chemicals, can be cleaned and reused, and have better performance in winter. They're about an ounce lighter than ultralight Nalgenes and a couple dollars cheaper. I think they may be a good compromise between heavy Nalgenes and PET bottles.
Thank you for your advice in the video Sintax.
I actually hike with a hydro flask which is heavy as beat all but I really dig having my coffee / soup hot for a long time... like for early morning hikes when your slightly chilled nothing like a warm sip of something.
I have actually used the Gartorade bottle for additional heat in my sleeping bag when it was 20 degrees at night. I heated the water to "fish eyes" ( small bubbles at bottom of pan before the water boils) not to boiling and poured it into the bottle. It did not melt the bottle and I had additional warmth all night. BTW, I also tried heating water to "fish eyes" with a Smart Water bottle, it melted the bottle.
Interesting that the Gatorade bottle can handle that. Thanks for sharing!
Agree with weight savings. Totally do. However, recently I've been using a 18oz Hydroflask on the trail. Yeah, it's heavy, but damn does it feel great to drink cold water 15 hours after you put it in. Of course, I supplement that with a 32oz gatorade bottle or two. Sometimes I just use the Hydro for beer. But man, are those things killer.
Andy I have used Gatorade or Powerade bottles the only weak points is the cap. Easy to carry extras caps.
I wouldn't worry too much about freezing the bottled water bottles. I freeze them, unopened, all the time to use as drinkable ice packs in my cooler when fishing, car camping, etc. I've never had one burst, the bottom just pushes from concave to convex. Just a thought.
Personally.. I like the platypus Big Zip Hyrdration Bladder. When I started out I was using the canteen.. but the buttons on the molle webbing would come undone dropping the whole thing to the ground.. which was annoying. I tend to sweat a lot so I drink a lot of water.. and running out on a hike.. which I've seen happen. Totally sucks.
Thanks for the video
So, I have to carry 4L minimum on any trip I ever go on- yay medical conditions!
I grew up carrying Nalgenes because that's all we had, and buying bottled water was never a thought for me.
Then I started backpacking a lot more than just once every few years and started wanting to cut weight. I discovered UL and was like :o "woah". Cut about a pound out just in water containers. Took a few Gatorade bottles, busted a few Gatorade bottles, didn't like misplacing the caps, and also just hated using disposable things in the woods. Yeah, I'd recycle after using them, but still.
But now I'm back to Nalgene, but the HDPE version. Recyclable, more durable than the clear poly types, cheaper, and recyclable. 3oz for a narrow mouth 32oz and 4.5oz for a wide mouth 32oz. My water has to be bombproof and the weight doesn't matter to me. I'll carry a smaller headlamp or something xD
Remember it's not just weight; but how the weight is distributed, ?the bladder's weight is centered and tight to the body. So it is barely noticed.
A chemical hand warmer in the bottom of the water bottle pouch will help the water resist freezing, especially if the pouch is at all insulated. You have to change it out every few hours.
I always keep multiple clear bottles of water in my jeep, and ended up with pin holes in them and leaks. The Gatorade bottles are more solid but I could see them breaking too idk haven't tried. Just saying the typical dasani or aquafina bottle can puncture on thorns or something sharp on the ground if dropped. Idk, I wouldn't use the supper flimsy ones on a long trip myself. I use them on short fishing hikes.
jdssurf I used a Gatorade while cave camping and had no problems. The one thing I would recommend is carry extra caps in case it lands on the cap and breaks. I have never had one break if it lands on its bottom only when it landed on its cap.
Sintax77,
Another great video. Thanks for sharing your ideas and thoughts.
While I don't consider myself a weight-weenie or gram counter, a lighter pack is generally more enjoyable. I have run through several varieties of the disposable water bottles and I keep returning to the Smartwater brand (for a couple of reasons). 1st is that functionally, I like the way they fit in my pack’s pockets. They slide in and out easily while I am wearing my pack and they just ride nicely. The 2nd reason is purely personal … I just don’t like how flimsy the lighter bottles feel. Not a good reason, but it is my reason.
Looking forward to more vids ...
STinGa
I use 20oz Gatorade bottles - rigged, light. Great video!
Thank you, great video. Anyone every tell you sound like Fred Rogen? He is a sports reporter in Southern California. Love you videos please keep them coming.
I am really considering ditching my hydration bladder and switching to the Gatorade bottles. I know it isn't eco-friendly at all, and I AM concerned about BPA chemicals leaching into my water, but I figure every chance I get during a thru-hike, I can buy new bottles before they begin to degrade. Also, in my experience I never get enough water, I'm just horrible about loading up more frequently. I have a love-hate relationship with my hydration bladder... And I'm not sure I really do hydrate better using it. Hydration bladders weigh a lot too. But this season I will be testing out the bottle route, so we,ll see.
Smart water bottle. Thicker than standard water bottle but not as heavy as a Gatorade bottle. I've been using the same one everyday for the past 6 months and besides the label tearing up there is no real wear. For backpacking they fit in my side pockets better than anything else too.
We catch glimpses of your pack in this vid. Do you discuss it somewhere else? Curious. Pretty sure it’s an Osprey, but which one?
Nicely done. I like the Gatorade bottle idea.
I use the 3L Camelbak Antidote.. It weights 7.0 oz empty.(usually only put 1L in) and carry a 1L plastic water bottle as well for use at camp...
I throw my jetboil around my nalgene, they nest really well with one another. plus, the silicone on the jetboil insulates the water a lot, and the space at the bottom of the jetboil can be used for stashing some protein powder, tea, some hot chocolate, or whatever else you might want to have with your water bottle/jetboil. i'm going to get a maxpedition water bottle pouch so i can add some utensils, spices, and my MSR pocket rocket for a full cook system. I like that nalgene's can stand up to high heat, that's important for me. the graduation marks are nice for cooking as well. For additional water, I guess it just depends on the day/activity//weather/my mood to decide how to carry it.
Hey Sintax! What up? 6+ ounces! More than I thought. I have to admit, the strength of the Nalgene outweighs the weight factor. Where I go, I'd be kinda screwed if my bottle broke.
And those Russians have been known to stomp your water bottle.
Oh, no doubt - if soviets or zombies are involved, it's Nalgene all the way!
When hunting regular plastic water bottles make a lot of noise however once you drink a little water out of a regular water bottle you can crush it down and conserve a little space with what water is left in it. Also during hunting trips I tend to purify water out of a creek, the Nalgene water bottle works great for this because of the white mouth. Ill cover the mouth with a cloth and filter the water into the bottle ill then use water purification treatment to purify the water then dump it in my 6 L bladder until it's full. Great point made here though it sucks having to spend so much money on backpacking gear, it's nothing to have $1000 worth of gear on your back
The one upside to the insulated bottle is if you put hot water in it during the winter it will stay liquid a lot longer. But in 3 season use it's just a waist of weight.
Awesome winter tips man I love this channel! Wonder if thicker disposable bottles like smart water would be better off...
At first it was my preference to use the regular plastic disposable water bottles, until I fell and it busted in my pack. Not good times, now I don't mind the extra couple of ounces in exchange for a durable nalgene.
This might have already been mentioned about caps... For just drinking on the trail.. you can get a Poland Spring sports bottle with a squirt cap.. at least when you are drinking on the trail.. the cover is attached to the cap! So only time to worry about losing a cap is when you refill.
+Dawn Del Guercio I noticed that the smartwater bottle cap fits my platapus bladder, when I lost my bladder cap.
I backpack in desert conditions of Arizona and southern Utah, and your water supply is your life. I will never use a bladder or a flimsy disposable water bottle that can be punctured and leak away your lifeline. Nalgene all the way for me. W
I used to have some of those monstrous white plastic hexagonal bottles with stopper and screw top. On those the stopper strap would eventually break. Also had a nalgene type bottle, the lid strap also broke on that.
Also about BPA free....the chemical they uesd to replace BPA is actually much worse for you than the BPA is. Although I think BPA type stuff is only needed for the 1 plastics, not the others.
I use the hydration bladder with one nalgene the bladder camelbak makes sleeves that go over the tube and insulate it and 11 oz isn't heavy for carrying the capacity of 3 nalgenes
Considering the Osprey Bladder (3L) is 3x 'Other' Bottles,
its equivalent to 3.5oz or 99g, probably the best choice of all IMO, excepting freezing weather (no experience).
Thank you for your videos, your explanations are very thorough. Peaceful Hiking!
You can Never go wrong carrying an extra gateraide bottle in case the hydration bladder springs a leak. You can use it for dry storage for seasoning packets, dry tinder, matches or anything else small you'd want to keep dry.
I just watched 20 minutes of water bottles.
Riveting stuff. Omgz.
I didn't.
hahahaha was just thinking the same thing
Plastic #1 (PETE OR PET)
This is polyethylene terephtalate, also known as PETE or PET. Most disposable soda and water bottles are made of #1 plastic, and it’s usually clear. This plastic is considered generally safe. However, it is known to have a porous surface that allows bacteria and flavor to accumulate, so it is best not to keep reusing these bottles as makeshift containers. This plastic is picked up by most curbside recycling programs.
It seems by 2017, smartwater bottles are common, with the nipple, both the 16.9 oz and 1 l, for weight and because they can use the nipple to backflush a sawyer filter
I like to carry a disposable smartwater bottle, and then if I have to carry more I use Platypus 1.0 liter or 2.0 liter. They are light and roll up small when not in use. Good video, come on spring ! Peace
I really like the durables. So a bladder or bottle is going to be my choice, unless I need the Sawyer system.
I like the hands-free option of a bladder, but a decent one can be heavy. Also putting a full bladder into a pack can be a hassle. Water bottles are handy, but I find I'm less likely to constantly hydrate if I have to put away my hiking pole for a sec to take a sip. Jetflow.com makes a gadget (that's right; another backpacking gadget) that converts disposable water bottles to hydration bladders. It's just a screw-on top with a hose barb to attach a drinking hose. You can use a light weight, cheap, easy to full disposable bottle and still be hands free. Kinda pricey though. Jetflow.com is the website.
What about the platypus bladder, it doesn't have all the plastic and beefier top. And you can buy insulation for it.
Nalgene bottle, Evernew water bladder (600 cc) and Sawyer mini filter.
I dont know if others have said this, but i really have heard good things about MSR dromedary bags. The black, more durable bags specifically. I have heard from others, that they have seen them stand up to weeks of back country use, and serious abuse.
winter accent or hiking tips with nalgene..melt your water for the next day at night before going to bed and fill the nalgene wrap it up with extra clothes or gloves and tuck it into your sleeping bag foot box..keeps warm feet all night... i use kolfach hard flexible light mountaineering boots also with removable liners that i keep on my feet when i take my boots off..keeps me from having to put on cold boots in the morning. i also tuck my nalgene inside my coat the straps from my pack hold it in place and keeps it from freezing..we always brought a nalgene and then used camelback with insulated line kept in our coats..e had to learn tricks up in the high cascades during winter accents to keep our water from freezing...also the sleeping bags trickis how you can go with a lighter sleeping bag then usually save weight by usingtheheat from your melting snow to keep warm..also wearing our clothes to bed insteead of taking them off..sleeping bags also will dry out gear like glves..tuck them in your sleeping bag ontop. in the morning brush the frost off of the top of your sleeping bag . that is from your body heat drying out the gloves and also your sweat.. you can also dry gear inside the tent hanging up it turns to frost but it drys..doesnt work as well in a 2 man tent solo..need 2 guys body heat to work better.. to much airspace is harder to warm up.
you covered it all my friend! Great all inclusive vid!!
I enjoy your backpacking vids. We should go backpacking some time.lol. I live in MA.
great points to consider when chosing a water cantainer.
plastic disposable bottles don't burst open when they freeze, we freeze them all the time in the summer and take them during the day to work, school or play.
Great review my friend. Thank you for sharing. Take care and be safe.
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"Caps not going anywhere, unless your friend is mad at you and cuts it off" xD
just ordered a Nalgene. Thanks
Just one?
you mention soviet invasion scenario, why not a stainless steel single wall like a kleen kanteen for boiling water too? sure its heavier being steel, but multipurpose for multi-day or longer term
There are no BPA in PET disposable bottles.
It's only in epoxy coatings, PVC and all of that stuff.
Disposable water bottles do not break ever. I routinely freeze a bunch of them and use them as an ice replacement for coolers. You can use them to get a high density of ice in a cooler for essentially free if you would be consuming the water anyway. Still like the video, thank you.
I do the same, though the bottles do get misshapen.
Jowee Thomspon Yes, they do. I think all those shapes and moldings put into the bottle are there so they can spring out to longer lengths or larger diameters without breaking. They are ingenious. Not only are they essentially "free" cooler ice, they don't take up any space at all in a cooler. Because they are in fact the content for consumption, not wast to be poured out. There are other shocking facts about water bottles. Did you know that in fact they are not a source of pollution? They are in fact anti-pollution. Consider the sodium content of beverages. The general recipe design is to get as much salt in the bottle as possible to trigger you to be constantly thirsty. It's possible to cover a certain amount of saltiness with sugar so as consumer you don't realize you're being duped. They can actually dehydrate you. In my own testing with outdoor summer events, I consume only about 1/4 - 1/3 the servings of beverages that I do when I consumed soda. And, I am better hydrated. For every water bottle discarded into the environment by some dirty butt, there would be 3 or 4 beverage containers if they were consuming soda. It's counter intuitive to the collective but the truth none the less.
I use two liter coke bottles. I find the caps have more durability. & the threads screws onto the "sawyer squeeze"..
Love this idea. Wish the coke bottles didn't have to be plastic though.
You could also use one liter platypus collapsable water bottles there 1 liter and collapse to about .5 in by 4.5 in they weigh about the same as the disposable bottle but there like 5-10 bucks
I used two of these and a hydration bladder and did 10 days on the trail in philmont nm no problem
how durable these bottles are? can they survive a drop on rocks or accidental pokes with sharp objects?
they can survive a drop on rocks but if sit on them they will most likly pop. If you poke it with a stick it will be fine but if you stab it with something prety had it will go through. they are prety sturdy but they are had to fill straight from a stream you would either need a pump filter or another bottle to fill them. price update for a 1 litter version they are $8.95 at this link tinyurl.com/zkszn5r on amazon.
hey man great videos long time watcher, first time poster. I saw in the video you have more than one backpack. any chance youre looking to sell an old one?
Here in NM I keep a case of water in the trunk and rotate the water to the kitchen or a bottle to sip from. And if I have to bug out with the "Get Home Bag" then I can fill the water bladder. The only water in NM is couple of rivers in a few places-- the Rio Grande or the Pecos river. The only close water is two hundred feet down is near a well or a town ! Have a water filter; but not much surface water to use it with ! Remember the "The Ten Essentials".
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Carry spare caps --> simple GENIUS!
There is a solution to the Water bladder freezing up They make a neoprean sleeve for the water tube to keep it cool in the summer and warm enough in the winter not to freeze.
Your vids are so helpful. Thank you
I would rather know that my water supply is safe than risk it for a couple pounds.
You might want to check out the roadeavour water bottle. Its almost nukeproof.
+Joie Mojica-Gahum Thanks, I'll look into that.
2017, whats your favorite 2-3 water filters?
Powerade bottles are great, they are stronger that most other bottles, even Gatorade.
Just discovered the channel..good stuff, Im Sub'n!
They say you expose yourself to the BPAs by reusing the disposable water bottles, much more so than when the bottle is new from the bottling plant. I see they sell light weight Nalgene bottles not sure on the weight savings.
Smart water bottles are very durable too.
there is a misspelling in the title hydration is the word with an error
Christopher Vinson Thanks! Can't believe I missed that for like a year now, haha.
Re: the h2o bottle and BPA if you can crush the bottle it is BPA free.