HOW BRIAN'S GTR WAS ALMOST A NEON SRT4
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- This will you blow you away. Can you imagine a Neon SRT-4 replacing an R34 GT-R? It almost happened.
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Imagine $200,000 Neons
And now that ugly Eclipse that's slow and totally not fun to drive, at all, demands a premium.
There’s one here in Chicago going for $40,000. I’m pretty sure it’s an ACR but still … it’s a Neon.
At least the real automotive enthusiasts could afford to buy the gtr. Bittersweet.
That would not help to change the opnions about them.
They wouldn’t run long enough to be worth that.
The fact the SRT-4 was never in a F&F Movie baffles me. It perfectly encapsulated the franchise.
You're so right! The affordable tuner car! I don't see a problem with it. I really like them.
Now-a-days seeing an srt4 is like seeing a unicorn.
Just spotted one in LA as i driving through for work. He did a pull for me. Apparently low 400hp at 18 lbs, E85. Thing booooogies. Surprised the federals gripped 🤣
That's what happens to most cars 15 years and older.
The SRT-4 changed the way Neon's we're viewed for sure, while it wouldn't have become like the R34 not having the mystery of being unavailable etc. It would sure as hell be better than the Eclipse Spyder that did make the film.
enthusiasts only cared for the 4G63T Eclipses.
Craig single handedly saved the francise lol
Only for Diesel to ruin it
20 years later, tuners chose the srt4 over the 3g eclipse 😂
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I was big in the car scene back then and the SRT4 had a lot of hype. Bought one new in 2004 and proceeded to dump 10k into it. Rarely lost a race and everyone was in aw of it. Guessing Lieberman never drove an SRT4. To his credit though the SRT4 wasn’t out at that time so he could only base his opinion on the neon.
I cant imagine this car spitting out blue flames from the exhaust 😂 I’m really glad Craig put a stop to the nonsense
I’m pretty sure they spit fire from the exhaust stock from the factory. They 2 1/4in piping and no resonators.
Srt4s are actually pretty cool cars, but yeah, I can't see that as a hero car.
SRT-4 was pretty badass back then. Especially for its price, I don't think there was a cheaper faster car.
It would run circles around that Eclipse that Roman drove.
But the issue is they were picking cars that FIT THE CHARACTERS PERSONALITIES. And Neon does not fit Rome’s big eccentric personality. The convertible eclipse did. No matter how ugly and over the top it was. That’s been his MO in every film.
It's no r34. But the SRT4 Neon was and still is pretty awesome.
Credit to Singleton, he understood the assignment.
For a great car action film, you have to treat the cars as extensions of the characters, almost like characters themselves.
I loved my SRT-4, I owned it for 8 years, 400wHP and beat on daily.
Never broke anything, got great milage and it was WAY faster than most cars at the time.
It was Well overbuilt for power, dodge had staged power kits and KW coilovers as optional add-ons.
It was the ultimate budget sport compact.
Dodge mopped the floor with Japan with that car and every one talking shit in the comments got dragged by one in the early 2000s. Mine had 240k miles on it when I sold it, still ran like stink.
@@black99rt yea, I raced many mustangs, WRX's, an Evo, C5, and lots of other shit
Basically won every race. 400whp and spare seats removed was pretty damn fast.
@@SrtRacerBoy fwd gti golf with less hp would gap that neon 😂
@@lexman8678 Not even remotely true. The 2005 GTi ran a 7 second 0-60 time, and that gets even worse as you get out to the quarter mile comparison. LOL do you know anything about cars? SRT4 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, quarter mile in 13.9. You'd have to dump about 10k into that era GTi to get that sort of performance.
I’m not saying the Neon SRT wasn’t fast… I’m just saying it was lowkey a bit dorky.
The SRT-4 Neon should have never been a main hero car. But it was the perfect example of budget performance that your average person could afford, and isn’t that what the whole Tuner Scene was about anyways?
Well said, they got too big too quick
I had an Srt-4 and if i remember correctly, tuner people hated it for being muscle car brand and muscle car people hated it for 4 cylinder turbo
As a Neon owner and fan, I agree with his decision not to use the SRT4. If it was the first movie, I would think the Neon could be the perfect option but to go from a Supra in the first movie to a Neon might have been a stretch.
I don’t agree with that idea
@@Lilboncamino i guess at the time of the movie the SRT4 was a popular contender vs now in 2024 the SRT4 is a distant memory to most.
Imagine if they used an SRT4… they’d probably be extremely overpriced now haha.
@@zackellis23 it’s 20 years old
@@Lilboncamino so?
@@zackellis23 the only person I can see driving it is Jesse
The srt4 ended up being one of the best "budget" tuner cars and would've been interesting in a small role in the movie. But yea if it was a main car everyone would downgrade the movie because it would be obvious they sold out. The partnership with Mitsubishi especially with the roles they created just made a lot more sense
LOL "gen 3 eclipse garbage" enough said.
I had a SRT 4 I loved that car. Lot of people sleep on those
Neon SRT-4 > Roman’s Eclipse 🤷🏻♂️🤣
all day! romans eclipse was an L.
Yeah, should’ve been a Veilside MR2 Spyder 🤦🏽♂️
@@theninethrees8044 still slower and not as nice as the neon
You almost saved skyline prices and made American tuners the shit!
srt-4 > that purple eclipse 🥴
I remember when my family all still lived in South Africa back in the early 2000`s, my brother bought a brand new Neon, a 2L R/T, they sold him on the comfort factor (in all fairness, the seats were great) and that it could compete with any other 2L on the market in South Africa at the time...I had a 1997 model 1.8L 16V Opel Kadett at the time and we constantly squabbled about who`s car was quicker, on Christmas Day on our way to the Holiday Inn at Johannesburg International Airport for Christmas lunch we ended up at a set of lights on a road with very little traffic in front of us...we raced, he lost...in fact, when he arrived at the Holiday Inn, I had already parked, exited my vehicle and had just put out the cigarette I lit when I arrived...he sold the car a few months later when he took it in for a service and they found rust all over the thing...he bought an Opel Astra and it was never spoken about again...
Chrysler's SUCK!!!!!
I'm sure the neon was fast, sporty, etc. it's just ugly. Craig nailed it.
They should of replaced Roman's eclipse spider with the srt4 that would of been a lot better. BTW wasn't the srt4 the fastest production car under 20k at the time?
Yes, and the fastest FWD car ever sold in the USA until recently with the Honda Civic Type R, albeit the R is like 45 THOUSAND dollars, more than twice the price the SRT4 was in 2005.
No, Roman should’ve been in a 3000gt in the movie that’s what I think should’ve happened
I never personally liked Dodge Neons in the past. My cousin had a 2004 Neon SRT-4 that he let me drive back in 2008. It had some power to get up and go. This was at the time he was starting to modify the car. It was "somewhat" stock with a full 3 inch exhaust and cat delete, upgraded fuel injectors, and a re-tune. I'm not sure of the HP and torque numbers at the time, but I loved it. He later added a bigger turbo and done some things with the engine that I can't list all what he did, but he dynoed the car in 2010 and it made close to 500 HP on pump gas. He later sold the car, and he doesn't modify cars anymore due to him becoming a father of two girls in 2011. He still talks about that Neon to this day. Always has interesting stories to tell about it.
Me and my cousin couldn't wait for the DVD of Fast and Furious to come out and when it finally did we would just watch it over and over analyzing everything and we also watched all the extras so I remember you Graig right away i recognized you when I seen your channel thanks for the great content and all you've done for making the two first movies of my childhood not as bad as it could have been 😂
No fanboy, but srt4 production was twice the supras in the US...more affordable...and pretty quick at the time...local guy had one and it would stomp most stuff but this is small town Midwest 🤷
From Craig's perspective though I could almost agree...no way to be the hero car..but if it were a main car...I could see maybe more demand and sales.
I made fun of the movies from the beginning.
The ONLY way the SRT-4 would make an appearance in ANY F&F movie is one of two ways:
1. An extra car with a few seconds to show it.
2. Driven by an annoying bad guy which will be hilariously destroyed.
I mean in Fast 10, the '91 BMW M5 e34 sedan made it into the movie no frills to be digitally wrecked. If that car was at the bottom of the list while the '90 BMW M3 e30 didn't make the cut, under what circumstances would a Neon SRT-4 make its way up the list? Apart from millions for corporate sponsorship, of course.
Can’t put an srt-4, but you can put that garbage Mitsubishi eclipse spyder that Tyrese drove 🤦♂️
I believe he has stated that he was against that car because he understands both that a vert is heavier and wouldn't be as utilized in racing and that gen of Eclipses in general were not as liked. But the studio insisted on it. I might be wrong but I believe that was the case.
@@jasonhurbough9105 oh ok…lol
They did it to get the Evo's
@@jasonhurbough9105 Think about how foolish that statement he is making is though: "I convinced them not to have a better car in the Neon SRT4, but they insisted on the worse car, the Eclipse" That shows that Lieberman is full of it. Don't believe this guy.
@@rooh5825neons are rubbish cars
I’ll take an SRT-4 over that lame Eclipse. It should have been the second car.
Maybe they could just not bother with Tyrese and make Brian work with agent Dunn. SRT4 would fit him perfectly!
I noticed a lot of people were complaining that "you told us already". I mean I was sceptical at first but actually I like this type of video. Craig gives us more details and anecdote that hasn't been mention before and I really enjoy it.
Regarding Neon SRT-4, while now it's considered a cult car with respectable performance. I can understand what Craig was saying because we had to put it into retrospective that what Craig said being that car doesn't have a street cred yet because it was brand new at that time. So I can understand Craig being reluctant to.
That's the thing with product placement, they don't necessarily gave a lasting impact. Like FCA paying Universal to used (new) Chargers since 5th movie and personally none of the Chargers has really become cultural icon.
Even the "cool" product placement such as Evo VII from 2nd movie and Evo IX from 3rd movie isn't really as known as Skyline or Veilside RX-7.
While in my opinion Brian driving Neon wouldn't be as extreme as "driving people out from theatre" (especially international audience) if it happens it's probably became a footnote or forgettable.
One more thing, given there is a news that 11th movie is getting a budget cut and reportedly "going back to its roots". It would be cool to have an open audition for background cars like the old days. Especially if people aren't informed that their cars would appear in Fast and Furious movie. I can imagine some cool builds from enthusiast, just a thought.
I just recorded a video on that very topic two hours ago. It will be released next Saturday
@@craiglieberman Glad to hear that Craig, thank you for sharing to us.
Faster than the WRX, 350Z, S2000 and Mustang GT in 2003, the SRT4 was more than a "cult following", it wiped the floor with the Japanese cars that Liebermuppet drools about.
Brian’s Neon would fit perfectly in Fast and Furious Pepega
I love my neon srt4 wish they put that car somewhere in the movie even if not a main car
Imagine if Neons were the prices of Skylines😂😂😂
The Neon is a Jessie’s type car haha.
Brian needed something else.
This movie was almost a giant neon commerical. Not all heros wear capes. Thank you Craig 🫡
I can imagine how Melissa then thought that cars were just cars, that it doesn't matter to him which car appears in the movies.
That Skyline is so iconic. Can't imagine Walker in anything else...... not counting the Evo... which also suited him very well.
Thank goodness they didn't use the Neon as the hero car, It would have killed the series right then and there!
They shoulda made an Avenger SRT that woulda been awesome, seriously
Im very surprised that Toyota Celica VII didnt play any main role in any of 10 parts of movie. It had sport looks, and wasnt expensive.
To think now that s r t neon is a very coveted and wanted car and i've heard of em eating EVOs
Hell yea bro just recently bought one and more than a couple offers in my town immediately was made to me 😅😂
Must be clapped out evos as fbo ones are over 500 whp no neon is keeping up with one of those 😂
@@lexman8678 ya very well could srt4s can very easily be pushing 500hp with a turbo fuel upgrades tune really doesn't take a lot to get them to 500hp on a red light it would be tough evos being awd launch hard and the neon would have to real it in depends on the length of the race but on a highway pull a srt4 is 1000lbs lighter it's going to eat a 500hp evo really depends on witch one is more modded a good amount of evos and srt4s aren't rolling around stock due to how easy and cheap they are to build power compared to other cars like the sti
I’ve been watching your recent videos and honestly you’re one of the coolest car enthusiasts out on UA-cam! Nonstop entertainment with facts to support everything your say. Great job!
Dude I wish I was a bug on the wall in that meeting, because it sounded intense.Sure they probably could've used the neon srt-4 as a background extra,but yeah riced out Neon as a hero car doesn't make sense.
Paul’s Evo is the greatest car in the series . His driving was the most memorable in that car 🏁
People still asking a arm and leg for a srt4 drove to hell lol
Now this was really interesting to watch as usual Craig, loving your content!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@craigliebermanYeah dude! Bought your book last year and it was very entertaining. Learned a lot!
5:04
Both of them are gone but not forgotten.
Mr. Lieberman, thank you for your videos. These are all hilarious blasts from the past for me. When "the movie" (as we referred to it in my local car club) came out we all had so much fun. We all knew that it was ridiculous and we loved pointing out all the flaws but we loved the exposure it created and as you said before that "the cars were the stars." Good stuff man, keep it up!
Glad you like them!
@craiglieberman forgive me for not having seen all of your videos but i am curious who your influences were and how the import scene ended up being what it was when you were growing up. This is all really cool stuff to know for me, i love finding out "where we came from," for lack of a better term. Thank you for your time!
The worst sin in that movie was dubbing Subaru flat 4 sounds over the Mitsubishis. Although not as bad as the straight 6 sound on Doms RX7 in the first movie.
You’re a legend dude!! 🤘🏻
The SRT-4 came out in 2003 and in 2006 Mike Crawford went 7.9 @ 188mph in a DCR SRT-4. I don't think front wheel drive Honda's were even in the 7's yet
Srt4s we’re cool when they first came out, but they proved to be shit after a few years.
If that srt4 would have been rear wheel drive it would have done better or even AWD I do like the srt4 and the cobalt SS both cars are sweet 4 cylinder forced induction heck ya I'm on board!!
It looks like shit tho. I can't imagine Paul Walker driving it. Maybe Suki.
I love the dodge neon and the srt4 is badass.
back when mitsubishi makes good cars
Young craig lieberman looked like young gabriel iglesias 😂😂😂
Although i knew about the story already, this edit was really funny Craig. You made me laugh with the SRT4 part😂
Love every video you make!!
Yay! Thank you!
This is a great video Craig, I was laughing so hard when you heard it was a Neon! 😂 what an experience. Thank you for sharing.
When I was in hs (when the srt neon released) and I only ever met one dude with a modded one. We gave him so much shit haha. But I will say it sounded super badass
I had 2 SRT4's. Very fun to drive
It should not have been the main car but secondary it could have been given the opportunity...since it had come out to compete with the tuners of the moment at a cheaper price...since it was the first bearer of the three most famous letters today SRT..
My sister who was really into the tuner scene bought a 2005 SRT-4 new from the lot. I saw it and had a similar reaction to Craig. But as soon as I sat in the passenger seat and my she let off that clutch I was defiantly surprised. She sold it before moving out of state, but where she lives now and among her husbands car club friends. There are a couple tuner Neons in the mix. Had me thinking about what you said about how the car at the time would not get the respect or reaction intended, but in a couple years you would see them in the scene.
To start out you did an amazing job being an advisor for the movies. At the time, even now i am a Honda guy so I loved the first movie. My wife and I had a ‘99 Eclipse about the time the movie came out, and I also was am a Ram guy, being I did have 4 of them. So when I first saw 2 fast 2 Furious I was stoked to see the rams in there as well. Thank god you didn’t use the Neon lol. Well done!!!!
well out of all the 2 fast cars the one that did not fit at all and was terrible was the 3rd generation eclipse the SRT4 would have been tens times better than that car
He should have drove a honduh huh? Lol I've had 2 neon that's would wipe most of these cars. Know how many sti, mustangs, evos I've taken out, let alone Hondas lol for a fraction of the money
SRT4 was totally cool car, but it was too brand new, and still based off a neon, but that’s what tuning is lol, it would have been a good 2nd or 3rd character car for sure tho, not the main, SRT4 in black with eyelids was a mean looking thing, sounded mean too without mufflers and just resonators
Man I love the old intro. Thanks for bringing it back to life
Funniest Craig video yet, I love it
Nice move Craig 👍🏼 it was awesome seeing Brian in the R34 when 2F2F came out. I'm sure it wouldn't have been the same reaction if he was in a Neon 🫤👍🏼
You have to love how blunt Craig is when he makes his opinion known.
This was hard to watch as an SRT4 fan 🤣but he's absolutely right! It wasn't right for the time. I don't think people thought it was cool when it came out, it took a while. The car definitely has at least a few fanboys now adays though.
That DVD Special is how I learned who you are. Many years ago, Mt grandpa bought me that DVD bc he knew how much I loved that movie. 15 year old me watched that special many many times.
Man I love these videos. ❤
Funnily enough, I remember a Dodge Neon was featured in at least one of the NFS Underground games.
IMAGINE.. a Neon.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You were not wrong, Craig. I’ve seen some of those cars around and doesn’t even interest me one bit. 😂😂
13:24 It actually was fast. Dodge purposely Underrated the HP ratings for unsurance purposes. It avtually put out 255-260 HP. 5.6 0-60MPH and low 13's 1/4 mile times.
15:54 All due respect, you were very wrong. Dodge sold 10x more than they expected... 25k of them. Had this car been in the movie, i bet they would've sold more.
A suggestion for a future video. Go drive one and record your reaction.
Its a shame. The SRT4 is a great car! It is essentially a FWD Evo. I say this as an Evo owner, too.
It was a budget performance car that got looked over simply because of the Neon name.
Ate they fantastically built cars? No. Can they easily be corrected? Absolutely!
I will be adding one to my collect as soon as i can. I wpuld love to take it to the track (turns, not drag strip). Very capable car with ao.e strategic modifications.
Couldn’t agree more. I love my “neon” 😂
I finally found one and now own the srt4 I saved that car now building it. Love the car
Keep in mind, this meeting took place Before the Neon SRT was released.
Nobody knew if it was going to be fast or not! They only knew that the econobox neons weren't fast or popular among tuners.
Not until the Neon SRT was released could people actually test it and find out how cool it was.
Regardless, since the OG neon didn't have that reputation, it still wouldn't have worked in the movie. The audience didn't know about the Neon SRT either, but they all knew the OG Neon.
Me at 17 in '03 watching Craig in the backseat in the Evo 8 dropping that Craig Rizz..😂😂😂
Great story I enjoyed it!
I could see the srt4 in a more anonymous role like the black civics in the first movies, or the four chargers in the fifth. I have to agree that the vibe just wasn't right for a hero car.
At 7:38, that is a 1999 Miata Mono Posto concept. Really cool!
These things were hated on hard when they were being produced. People treated them and the owners like they were jokes. Import owners hated them because they seemed like a wanna be import. Domestic owners hated them because they were not V8s. The owners basically had no community to support them, except themselves. We used to call them Skittles because of the factory color options. And make fun of the crank rear windows by rolling up and down our power windows at the owners. They actually turned out to be pretty good cars. But yeah would have been laughed at the time if the hero drove an SRT4.
Craig, if you had the chance to write a script for a new car movie with the best/legendary tuner cars of all time, what would the script be and what cars would you have in it
What wheels are on the Rx7 at 8:02? I've been trying to find a set to rebuild.. I was thinking they were Enkei Spiders?
Universal needs u back again they lost track
Have you seen the fist couple movies? Lol while my favorite the are full of flaws! They dint need him to begin with, they need a car guy that can work on cars, not one that pay to have it done. That way they actually have somewhat an idea lol
How I miss NIRA! Was a great time to be into tuners!
i think the srt4 would have definitely been better for roman then the eclipse spyder. but we will never know now. the srt4 did in fact become the darling of the american tuner scene.
Loved this story awesome
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Glad you enjoyed it
Dude simping calling a Playboy bunny a "supermodel" 😂
Bruh said “wasted” 😂😂
Any idea where the red Evo is now? I have memories of that build, saw it in the dvd special contents.
That’s hilarious to think about they got an rx7 a Supras and a s2000 but the give the main character a neon
That was an incredible story! Good one on how sticking to your beliefs works!
Who knows, if the neon would've been chosen, maybe the Skyline would've been still obtainable and the neon be overpriced hahahaha
thanks for this video, super cool. who picked the eclipse for roman though? XD
I remember watching the fast and furious so many times i could remember almost the hole script. 😂 Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience!
You know what would've happened? The movie would bomb overseas and maybe had only 'relative success' in America. The Neon was never (or barely?) sold over in Europe. While the Japanese tuner type cars were. Heck, even Vipers got sold over here as a luxury sports model.
I'm not religious but man thank God that didn't happen
Craig, in hindsight, you dropped the ball. Sure the srt 4 aint no skyline, nsx, rx7, supra; it is on par with cars like the focus st, mazdaspeed 3, and civic type r's. The engine has the same potential power density as any supra or rb engine.
Probably true, but at the time , this car had yet to establish its reputation.
SRT-4 is in the lowest tier of tuner cars, it’s not even comparable to a Type R but more to an Si. You can’t have the MAIN character drive a low tier car against side characters with Top tier cars just because the manufacturer is cutting the cheque. It loses all credibility and authenticity of the movie.
Having said that, as a huge Mitsubishi fan, Roman should’ve never been near that Eclipse. He would’ve been perfect with a Toyota MR2 Spyder with the Veilside kit.
@@theninethrees8044 Hold on. Did you say the SRT4 is more in the category of a SI than Type R?? Stop the slander just because you're a hater. The SRT4 is a full second faster in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 than a same generation Type R and nearly 2 seconds faster through both than the SI. A mopar dealer bolt on stage 3 kit which came with a warranty saw those numbers axed dramatically and the add ons cost next too nothing and got you around 300whp. The SRT4 only weighs 300 lbs more with 2 whole extra doors. They also handled shockingly well and the ACR model was a autocross king. The SRT4 was literally designed to take down early 2000s STIs and pound for pound it was only .2 seconds behind it.
I've owned a GSR swapped DX, a 2001 Type R (stolen 😫), 2004 stock SRT4 and a bolt on 04 SRT4 and the SRT4s were way faster and honestly, way more fun too drive but slightly less reliable (im looking at you, 3rd gear). So is it a RB car or 2JZ? No, is it a bottom tier tuner? Hell no.
@@Admiral_Potato41 It’s has a bigger motor and is forced charged over a Civic Type R. Remember the car thieves took your Honda and didn’t take your others, so maybe they know which car is better?
@@Mega-G-Star You sound smart
I got smoked one time by a built SRT-4. I had a Grand-prix GXP at the time, had basic bolt ons and tuned with mag pro exhaust, nothing insane but was still a sleeper and was taken down the 2008 mustangs at the time. But I rolled with an SRT4 and got the jump on him and when that srt4 spooled what ever turbo it had, I could hear from behind me haha and it blew my freaking doors off
Ive always liked the SRT4 but yea as a main car, no.
yea i had one but cant pull any drifts with it so no