Alpha legion actually do playful banter with their human counterparts. Alpharus on the bridge of his capital ship always jokes and gets joked on by his human crew and he sees the value of unity and a sense of belonging that makes his crews beyond loyal to him. He treats them like people instead of subjects
I've always liked the idea that, because the Alpha Legion is _so_ layered and layered with secrets and deceptions, most of the Legion really _have_ personally lost track of what they're really ultimately doing, and everyone is just kinda 'trusting the process' and playing along.
Like it's so many layers that the Alpha legion is legitimately comprised of both loyalists and traitors that don't realize they don't actually all have the same allegiances beyond the one to Alpharius because any discrepancy is viewed as part of the "game." Making the legion literally both simultaneously and only Alpharius knows it.
Actually, you're not far off. In some books about them, they're actually a ton of confederated Warbands that aren't sure if they were once loyal to the Imperium secretly, but now they just think they're supposed to destroy the Imperium because all their people from the Heresy are dead.
@The_Calcium_Kingthe space wolves had a run in with one such supposedly loyalist alpha legionnaire while searching for their lost chapter master, they were in a hive helping some dark angels hunt a fallen although they didn’t know it, can’t remember his name but it was in the book the hunt for Logan grimnar
I'm not sure where I have I any idea if it's true but I remember something about alpharius being traitor while omegon was loyal causing a sort of civil war within the legion
Its fucking wild that every now and then we get some absolute BEASTS of guardman, from dueling a khorn zerker, 1v1 a warboss to sneaking up on a apha legionaire. Actual guardsman (not conscripts) go so raw.
@@dean_l33 Not exactly. -The Planetary Defence Force would be a bit akin the reservists. They are not the best and never really are needed, but when shit hits the fan, they do whatever they can be called to defend from invaders, even if they are merely there to hold the enemy or at least delay them until the real army arrives. They technically are trained and are to be kept at a physical health greater than the norm, but they are not really up to a real soldier's standards. -The Imperial Guard is the real Army. Even if the Lasguns and their armoured vehicles would absolutely destroy modern armies, their role is similar. Conquer other lands for the glory of the empire, and defend the homeland (including said conquered lands) when needed. Most are really quite average, with normal vices and limited intellect, but some provenances are trained to higher standards than the norm and are several cuts above the rest, while some places use barely trained conscripts who know how to point in the right direction and managed to hit anywhere on the target at least once to get the go... -Tempestus Scions are the spec ops. The best of the best, with special equipment above the common troopers, gruelling training and missions much harder than the norm, usually in secrecy. And then you get stuff like the Sororitas, Artastes, Custodes, Assassins, and other things that are quite outside easy comparisons... The Scions are also often trained from barely after they hit puberty in the Schola Progenium to be Inquisitorial troops, and only the ones that fail the tests get into the regular Imperial Guard purview... What you perhaps misunderstood is the last point of the Imperial Guard comparisons. For each Cadia, Krieg, Catachan, Elysia, Valhalla, Armageddon, and other famous worlds in the Imperium, there are hundreds of planets who send very average Guardsmen who get thrown to the nearest conflict and never get heard of (their only remaining mention an addendum to a dusty book in a section of an Administratum library that gets visited by only a servo-skull every decade), and several dozen penal legions or conscript regiments... People basically never hear of the average events, people or places outside their own small world (both in reality and the Imperium), and mostly hear about people from elsewhere when they're celebrities or events from elsewhere when it's serious enough. Similarly to how people may have heard of Arsenal or the Red Socks as sports teams even when not knowing which sport they are from (this is definitively my case 😅, I believe it's football/soccer and baseball?) and not have heard of the baseball club from Savigny-Sous-Roche; the people in the Imperium hear about Cadians, Vostroyans, Kriegers and other famous and strong military planets, but never have heard of the 2nd Regiment from the planet with the Administratum designation 5H1+H*l3 with the planetary capital and only city in the millions citizens, named Deception's Landing... Hence why there are also more stories made into novels from the same famous worlds in real life, because they were made to be popular and show stories of the best soldiers of the Imperium (or the unluckiest lucky motherfuckers like the Tanith 1st and Only, or Ciaphas Cain), because they ARE the best for the normal Army. But put the average Cadian against the average Stormtrooper would lose most of the time.
Imperial guard are the best of the PDF. The only reason we have such a poor view on the guards survival rate is cause every story has them fighting some batshit insane enemy that fires death lazers that one shot titans or something crazy like that. Imperial Guard usually stomp most of their enemies (usually other humans or small insignificant Xenos races) but when it comes to the big factions. It’s a case of the guard not being weak but their enemy being obscenely powerful.
@@raznaak nice answer but MOST of the guardsmen are trained from birth, literally, while cadians are THE BEST, there are huge number of elite regiments on par with Vostroyans, Walhallans and Catachans(yeah there a lot of death worlds in Imperium). For example Sabbat crusade and Tanith first and only, in each book you can read about elite or just good regiments that are better than our ELITE military forces, and I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SPEC OPS because there deference in training and special equipment, I'm sure you understand that. But my point is: Guard would destroy our elite modern armies If we are talking about scions or other stormtroopers, our spec ops have not a single chance, because scions are "one-man-army". We cannot even imagine how good they are
Yes honestly telling a lie by admitting that they told a lie but don’t elaborate which part of what they said was a lie or if their were multiple lies hidden in the honest truth. At the end of the day it is about perspective because you could draw a snake but turn it into a bird by adding to it and overtime you could make the bird a human by further altering its features and so on. Therefore by understanding this you must recognize that honesty and truth are as interchangeable as lies
@@johnplummer4785 that was not alpharius nor did he call himself alpharius he has a name I think you got alpharius because you can’t understand the way they pronounce there names if you’re an outsider you may just hear alpharius I think that is the problem here rather than alpharius himself being present in every aspect of the story you either read or more likely listened to
I love how the alpha legion is the most honest legion giving juxtaposition of what their legion is known for. Ask the right question and they will answer with 100 percent truth
Yeah I love that about them you asked the right question you get an answer a truthful answer asked the wrong question and you get sent on a damn goose chase
It actually makes sense why the Alpha Legion were relatively open with humans. Alpharius was raised by Malchedor and the Emperor who both highly respected the value of baseline humans, only they valued them as a whole and not the individual.
That and because the Alpha Legion also is the one with the most reasons to use human operatives. A Legionnaire can infiltrate other legions and maybe due to greater sizes also attempt to infiltrate like the rare case of retired Custodes for intel. Thing is, they dont have Alpharius's ability to make himself look unthreatening, thus they need an alternative, humans mind wipes if needed who had their minds and sense and self rewritten to be the perfect tool for infiltration. Taking care of good operatives is ideal in these cases
At least this Alpha Legionare gave comfort to the Guardsmen, knowing his man was not harmed and were spared/aided by the Alpha Legion and showing a greater respect to this guardsmen for being able to sneak up on an Alpha Legionare, a good show of respect.
When you turn round and some random guardsman you thought would have died a while back on the frontlines and somehow stealthed his way over to you without you noticing a thing, you being a super soldier who was specificaly trained for infiltration and covert operations, and now has the absolute balls to aim a £2 laser pointer at the absolute slab that is your mastercrafted ceramite armour that can shrug of 20mm wide self-propelled explosive rounds encompasing your 8ft tall steroid ridden body you show him some damn respect.
Except the rest of the scene is him smacking his lazgun from his hand, breaking it, and shoving a bolter in his chest while threatening to rip him into pieces, burn the pieces and throw them in the sand if he ever points a weapon in his general direction again. He also explains that he used the guardsmen platoon as a distraction to kill the xenos city guards, sneak into the xenos city, and arrest one guy.
How schizo is the Alpha legion? One second, they're just faceless goons bumming around with other chaos legionairs, the next you see, they go all "i am alphairus" mode and act cool like this. I genuinely dont get it.
It's that they're intentionally disorganized from each other that they are essentially terrorist cells All warbands are basically completely separate and hold no loyalty or rank to each other, aside from a shared goal and Primarch
Look if the Alpha Legionnaires don’t know what they’re doing how will their enemies know? Are they chaos? Are they secretly loyalist? ARE they Alpharius? We’ll never know - It’s the perfect strategy.
Peopkle like to say that space marines play checkers while Alpha legion plays 4d chess. In reality the Alpha legion pretends to play chess but is actually playing Stratego using a half burned rule book they found once and making the rest up along the way,
I feel like a half burned rule book would only make the game easier? Doesnt that unavoidably just mean less rules? Unless its a part that tells you things you can do rather than limit movements. The problem is the half burned _plan_ . Not sure how many rule books include strategies or actual specific plans but its certainly not necessarily the case. All of which is to say, interesting comparison!
@@kMegalonyxnot really, the rules are still there you can only understand half of each sentence though, while Chaos understands it all but twists it, and Big E understands a good 90% but refuses to play
@ hm yes I suppose it depends if the “game rules” in the metaphor are ignorable rules of engagement or fundamental rules of reality. I was thinking like “pawns can only move forward one or initially two spaces or capture an enemy piece diagonally forward” rather than “capture the king to win” or “you have to have pieces on the board to do anything at all, they can move from square to square” (or “a piece reaching the far side can be promoted”).
interesting to see a space marine genuinely giving an honest and sympathetic explanation when questioned by an upset guardsman, rather than just going "I could kill you for questioning me like that, you're entirely expendable" etc. the ultimate explanation or reasoning is the same as most similar situations, except the marine seems genuinely intent on helping the guardsman understand.
"-as many as possible, and that wound up being: just you, and I'm gunna trust them on that. Anyway, here's an orb; now that you've looked at it your evil."
Most Astartes wouldn’t even be aware that a human would want to hear that and probably arent used to really comprehending the idea of regular human emotions, and that humans, especially those in service of the emperor, would have such emotions about death and dying, so even if insincere, they are kind of ahead. The Salamanders, who get soo much credit for their occasional humane hiccup, still seem to see humans more as assets for the Empire that are best preserved. Alpha legion at least sometimes sees people as people, which is “big if true”.
Imagine that the imperium has become so warped in its views that it simply turns out that the alpha legion are just the most loyal to the emperors ideals. And that's why the imperium doesn't understand them.
Guardsman: **Sneaks up on alpha legion marine** Alpha marine: **Is oblivious** (Suspiciously tall Guardsmen): **Leans in in whispers "you are aplarius" **
Ok, minor paragraph time, while attempting to avoid spoilers (its Alpha Legion, after all, why should it all be revealed): This is from the book "Legion" (banger of a book) and is based before the collapse of the imperium. Or rather not before, but literally as it happens. You learn entirely why the Alpha Legion betrayed the Emporer and what they were doing at the time. The focus of the book is well done; targeting the stories of the guardsmen caught up in the area while introducing slowly growing snippets of Alpha Legion perspective until eventually you're looking at the whole thing through Alpharius' (or Omegon's) perspective. With one of the best moments being the flip of Alpharius' loyalty against a fleet with a positively hilarious reveal about one of his ships against the enemy admiral. I'd highly recommend listening to or reading this book even if you're not entirely interested in Alpha Legion, as the nuggets of info about the fall are really worth the effort to get while it glorifies an exemplar imperial guard regiment (The Lucifer Blacks), shows the gritty horror of people being treated as numbers on a large scale field of battle, personifies the classist differences between high and low ranks of the Imperial Navy and guard while displaying how the Alpha Legion abuses such class differences, and as you read you dont fully realise that the entire book is slowly snaking the tendrils of the Alpha Legion into the story before revelation hits and they're front and centre.
I thought Marbo was known as the crazy gun slinging Catachan who goes in and reaps absolute havoc over the enemies of Mankind? Seems to me like Hurtabo Bronzi is much more tact and professional with his deeds.
I'm reminded of the time when I first learned how reinforcements worked and used it to back cap an undefended Alpha Legion point to urk out a win by 4 points lol
While some would say keeping some men alive is apart of their schemes i do think that the legion does care about the safety of humanity and others. The fact you never really hear about them being chaos infested shows this, even the least chaos space marines are the night lords and look at them. The alpha legion look like angels compared to them and then the legion dont obsess over preforming debauchery and indulgence
There's a few like. Renegades, not quiet traitors but not trusted. Just sucks cause the AL did help Horus which has tainted them in the eyes of the wider Imperium.
It is pre heresy. The events in the book legion are what triggers the alpha legion to eventually side with Horus. Good read. Then, of course, there’s the prevailing meta of the fan lore; that the alpha legion are actually loyalists masquerading as chaos.
As I recall, the Alpha Legion actually does care more for their human allies than most Astartes, by which I mean to say that they oftentimes at least try to include actual escape plans for them instead of just leaving them to die horribly. In this instance the dying was an integral part of the plan though, so...
Please for the love of God do a segment about The Inquisitor who snuck into the throne room I believe the book was Inquisition war and he was trying to warn the emperor about a rogue faction of the Inquisition known as Hydra something
Technically not just Guardsman, as members of Geno Five-Two Chiliad were genetically exhanced and bred Imperial Army soldiers who did inspire Emperor to create Primarchs and Space Marines...
On book 30-something, Pharos (yes, I’ve gone in order, 2 years now) The series really starts to drag. Finally starting to head somewhere though (lots of recounting from different perspectives)
One thing I like about the alpha legion is due to their nature you could easily headcannon them as a chaos legion or loyalist or good guys or bad guys because it’s the alpha legion who truly knows
is an isn't. alpha legion like to hear from base humans if they have any input on battle plans cause they might have a perspective that astartes may overlook. and at least in Renegades: Harrowmaster they tend to treat base humans with some degree of respect instead of more or less forcing them into service, because loyalty is more reliable than fear for making sure the people taking care of a bunch of their shit don't sabotage them
I was kind of disappointed when I looked this up and found out this took place during the Great Crusade. Because if this took place in the 41st millennium, and a modern day guardsman snuck up to an Alpha Legionnaire, I would have said, "Either the God Emperor has blessed him, or the Legion must be scrapping the bottom of the barrel if one of their own is getting snuck upon and not the other way around."
I kinda like yet hate the Alpha Legion. Mainly from the book “Legion”. They have cool tactics, and the fact that they all look similar allows their Primarch to blend in with his troops. I just hate the fact that the ending was so damn confusing. Dude gets told he can save the universe by joining Horus, decides to remain loyal to Bog E, BLOWS UP THE FLEET THAT ESCORTED HIM IN.
im just split on if the alpha legion is even devoted to a certain chaos god, like tzeench would be the most fitting but they’re not sorcerers so im genuinely curious
I had to cut out a bunch of the original conversation. Check it out in the book: Legion
Alpha legion lore is some of the best IMHO
This is the first wh40k book I read and it was awesome especially when bronzi had his balls out
Thanks for the source.
What book
Alpha legion actually do playful banter with their human counterparts. Alpharus on the bridge of his capital ship always jokes and gets joked on by his human crew and he sees the value of unity and a sense of belonging that makes his crews beyond loyal to him. He treats them like people instead of subjects
Which Alpharius-
@@Commander_Appo yes
@@durinV Obviously, he is talking about me, for I am Alpharius.
Respect is a two way bridge…
@@thegamingdemon4788No, he's obviously talking about me for I am Alpharius
They seem genuinely nice for astartes
Sometimes. Truly enigmatic.
That was a lie.
Odd as it is, Alpharius actually understood the concept of keeping up morale and that kindness/charisma was carried over to his sons
That's a lie.
Bruh, you are as confusing as the Astartes we are talking about 😂
I've always liked the idea that, because the Alpha Legion is _so_ layered and layered with secrets and deceptions, most of the Legion really _have_ personally lost track of what they're really ultimately doing, and everyone is just kinda 'trusting the process' and playing along.
Like it's so many layers that the Alpha legion is legitimately comprised of both loyalists and traitors that don't realize they don't actually all have the same allegiances beyond the one to Alpharius because any discrepancy is viewed as part of the "game." Making the legion literally both simultaneously and only Alpharius knows it.
Actually, you're not far off. In some books about them, they're actually a ton of confederated Warbands that aren't sure if they were once loyal to the Imperium secretly, but now they just think they're supposed to destroy the Imperium because all their people from the Heresy are dead.
@The_Calcium_Kingthe space wolves had a run in with one such supposedly loyalist alpha legionnaire while searching for their lost chapter master, they were in a hive helping some dark angels hunt a fallen although they didn’t know it, can’t remember his name but it was in the book the hunt for Logan grimnar
I'm not sure where I have I any idea if it's true but I remember something about alpharius being traitor while omegon was loyal causing a sort of civil war within the legion
That's basically canon. See Harrowmaster novel
Its fucking wild that every now and then we get some absolute BEASTS of guardman, from dueling a khorn zerker, 1v1 a warboss to sneaking up on a apha legionaire.
Actual guardsman (not conscripts) go so raw.
Guards man in 40K is more like our modern spec ops than our military
@@dean_l33 Not exactly.
-The Planetary Defence Force would be a bit akin the reservists. They are not the best and never really are needed, but when shit hits the fan, they do whatever they can be called to defend from invaders, even if they are merely there to hold the enemy or at least delay them until the real army arrives. They technically are trained and are to be kept at a physical health greater than the norm, but they are not really up to a real soldier's standards.
-The Imperial Guard is the real Army. Even if the Lasguns and their armoured vehicles would absolutely destroy modern armies, their role is similar. Conquer other lands for the glory of the empire, and defend the homeland (including said conquered lands) when needed. Most are really quite average, with normal vices and limited intellect, but some provenances are trained to higher standards than the norm and are several cuts above the rest, while some places use barely trained conscripts who know how to point in the right direction and managed to hit anywhere on the target at least once to get the go...
-Tempestus Scions are the spec ops. The best of the best, with special equipment above the common troopers, gruelling training and missions much harder than the norm, usually in secrecy.
And then you get stuff like the Sororitas, Artastes, Custodes, Assassins, and other things that are quite outside easy comparisons... The Scions are also often trained from barely after they hit puberty in the Schola Progenium to be Inquisitorial troops, and only the ones that fail the tests get into the regular Imperial Guard purview...
What you perhaps misunderstood is the last point of the Imperial Guard comparisons. For each Cadia, Krieg, Catachan, Elysia, Valhalla, Armageddon, and other famous worlds in the Imperium, there are hundreds of planets who send very average Guardsmen who get thrown to the nearest conflict and never get heard of (their only remaining mention an addendum to a dusty book in a section of an Administratum library that gets visited by only a servo-skull every decade), and several dozen penal legions or conscript regiments...
People basically never hear of the average events, people or places outside their own small world (both in reality and the Imperium), and mostly hear about people from elsewhere when they're celebrities or events from elsewhere when it's serious enough.
Similarly to how people may have heard of Arsenal or the Red Socks as sports teams even when not knowing which sport they are from (this is definitively my case 😅, I believe it's football/soccer and baseball?) and not have heard of the baseball club from Savigny-Sous-Roche; the people in the Imperium hear about Cadians, Vostroyans, Kriegers and other famous and strong military planets, but never have heard of the 2nd Regiment from the planet with the Administratum designation 5H1+H*l3 with the planetary capital and only city in the millions citizens, named Deception's Landing... Hence why there are also more stories made into novels from the same famous worlds in real life, because they were made to be popular and show stories of the best soldiers of the Imperium (or the unluckiest lucky motherfuckers like the Tanith 1st and Only, or Ciaphas Cain), because they ARE the best for the normal Army.
But put the average Cadian against the average Stormtrooper would lose most of the time.
@@raznaak What I meant was the average imperial guard would perform more akin to spec ops in our modern time
Imperial guard are the best of the PDF. The only reason we have such a poor view on the guards survival rate is cause every story has them fighting some batshit insane enemy that fires death lazers that one shot titans or something crazy like that. Imperial Guard usually stomp most of their enemies (usually other humans or small insignificant Xenos races) but when it comes to the big factions. It’s a case of the guard not being weak but their enemy being obscenely powerful.
@@raznaak nice answer but MOST of the guardsmen are trained from birth, literally, while cadians are THE BEST, there are huge number of elite regiments on par with Vostroyans, Walhallans and Catachans(yeah there a lot of death worlds in Imperium). For example Sabbat crusade and Tanith first and only, in each book you can read about elite or just good regiments that are better than our ELITE military forces, and I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SPEC OPS because there deference in training and special equipment, I'm sure you understand that.
But my point is:
Guard would destroy our elite modern armies
If we are talking about scions or other stormtroopers, our spec ops have not a single chance, because scions are "one-man-army". We cannot even imagine how good they are
"honesty is the only currency" goes hard
Yes honestly telling a lie by admitting that they told a lie but don’t elaborate which part of what they said was a lie or if their were multiple lies hidden in the honest truth. At the end of the day it is about perspective because you could draw a snake but turn it into a bird by adding to it and overtime you could make the bird a human by further altering its features and so on. Therefore by understanding this you must recognize that honesty and truth are as interchangeable as lies
I am currently reading this book. I chuckled to myself when Alpharius said that honesty was the only valuable currency
@@johnplummer4785 that was not alpharius nor did he call himself alpharius he has a name I think you got alpharius because you can’t understand the way they pronounce there names if you’re an outsider you may just hear alpharius I think that is the problem here rather than alpharius himself being present in every aspect of the story you either read or more likely listened to
@@axcenomegalmao literal Alpharius is out here ranting
@@axcenomega Punctuation exists for a reason.
Are we sure the guardsman wasn't also Alpha Legion?
They ARE one of the few legions willing and able to work without power armor for years on end....
The guardsman was Alpharius.
In time he did
I am Alpharius and I can confirm that Alpharius the guardsman was talking to the Alpharius while Alpharius watched them
He became an agent of the Alpha Legion. Hail Hydra.
I like that he says he is prepared to share a secret, because it subtly indicates that secrets are indeed a valuable thing.
Does it subtly indicate or explicitly state?
Dude was like, "I've come to bargain"
I love how the alpha legion is the most honest legion giving juxtaposition of what their legion is known for. Ask the right question and they will answer with 100 percent truth
Yeah I love that about them you asked the right question you get an answer a truthful answer asked the wrong question and you get sent on a damn goose chase
It actually makes sense why the Alpha Legion were relatively open with humans. Alpharius was raised by Malchedor and the Emperor who both highly respected the value of baseline humans, only they valued them as a whole and not the individual.
That and because the Alpha Legion also is the one with the most reasons to use human operatives.
A Legionnaire can infiltrate other legions and maybe due to greater sizes also attempt to infiltrate like the rare case of retired Custodes for intel.
Thing is, they dont have Alpharius's ability to make himself look unthreatening, thus they need an alternative, humans mind wipes if needed who had their minds and sense and self rewritten to be the perfect tool for infiltration.
Taking care of good operatives is ideal in these cases
At least this Alpha Legionare gave comfort to the Guardsmen, knowing his man was not harmed and were spared/aided by the Alpha Legion and showing a greater respect to this guardsmen for being able to sneak up on an Alpha Legionare, a good show of respect.
When you turn round and some random guardsman you thought would have died a while back on the frontlines and somehow stealthed his way over to you without you noticing a thing, you being a super soldier who was specificaly trained for infiltration and covert operations, and now has the absolute balls to aim a £2 laser pointer at the absolute slab that is your mastercrafted ceramite armour that can shrug of 20mm wide self-propelled explosive rounds encompasing your 8ft tall steroid ridden body you show him some damn respect.
Except the rest of the scene is him smacking his lazgun from his hand, breaking it, and shoving a bolter in his chest while threatening to rip him into pieces, burn the pieces and throw them in the sand if he ever points a weapon in his general direction again. He also explains that he used the guardsmen platoon as a distraction to kill the xenos city guards, sneak into the xenos city, and arrest one guy.
The guardsmen then wants to know his name and his response is both the most badass and shittiest answer of the book. "You know my name, Motherfucker."
*Sees the title*
Me: how the hell did he manage to pull that off
*Hears the guardsman has a name*
Me: Nevermind
I know right😂😂😂
I love Alpha Legion lore. So cool and yet mysterious. Gosh I hope they turn loyalist.
Implying they haven't been deep cover loyalists the entire time
They are loyalists.
... And they aren't.
@@inthefade...Or are we?
They're deeply closeted loyalists lol
It would be fun to have both loyalist and traitor AL, led by Omegon and some named AL traitor character respectively
How schizo is the Alpha legion? One second, they're just faceless goons bumming around with other chaos legionairs, the next you see, they go all "i am alphairus" mode and act cool like this. I genuinely dont get it.
It's that they're intentionally disorganized from each other that they are essentially terrorist cells
All warbands are basically completely separate and hold no loyalty or rank to each other, aside from a shared goal and Primarch
I think that's the point of them. To be inconsistent and unknown in their true intentions. It's both interesting and very stupid at the same time.
Look if the Alpha Legionnaires don’t know what they’re doing how will their enemies know? Are they chaos? Are they secretly loyalist? ARE they Alpharius? We’ll never know - It’s the perfect strategy.
Then there was that time that there an alpha legion sorcerer devoted of Khorne
@@Mike5Brown Pretty sure that was just Tzeentch at this point.
Well as long as he didn't start his conversation with "I'm Alpharius"
He couldnt, because the Legionnaire was Alpharius, or was Omegon? Hard to said, sadly Dorn forgot to tag the one He killed.
"Tell me! Is it true? Are all of you loyalist? Tell me this! Alpha legion!"
The marine raises his bolter and uttered "I.. am Alpharius"
You forgot the part where he tells the Guardsman that he is Omegon.
Peopkle like to say that space marines play checkers while Alpha legion plays 4d chess.
In reality the Alpha legion pretends to play chess but is actually playing Stratego using a half burned rule book they found once and making the rest up along the way,
That is so god damn true, I hadn't even thought about it.
I feel like a half burned rule book would only make the game easier? Doesnt that
unavoidably just mean less rules? Unless its a part that tells you things you can do rather than limit movements. The problem is the half burned _plan_ . Not sure how many rule books include strategies or actual specific plans but its certainly not necessarily the case. All of which is to say, interesting comparison!
@@kMegalonyxnot really, the rules are still there you can only understand half of each sentence though, while Chaos understands it all but twists it, and Big E understands a good 90% but refuses to play
@ hm yes I suppose it depends if the “game rules” in the metaphor are ignorable rules of engagement or fundamental rules of reality. I was thinking like “pawns can only move forward one or initially two spaces or capture an enemy piece diagonally forward” rather than “capture the king to win” or “you have to have pieces on the board to do anything at all, they can move from square to square” (or “a piece reaching the far side can be promoted”).
He's not a guardsman. He's imperial army.
I'm new to 40k but if there's one thing I've learned, named humans are some of my favorite characters.
Cant trust those humans, goin around naming evrryone!
interesting to see a space marine genuinely giving an honest and sympathetic explanation when questioned by an upset guardsman, rather than just going "I could kill you for questioning me like that, you're entirely expendable" etc. the ultimate explanation or reasoning is the same as most similar situations, except the marine seems genuinely intent on helping the guardsman understand.
I am finding more and more respect for the Alpha Legion.
"-as many as possible, and that wound up being: just you, and I'm gunna trust them on that. Anyway, here's an orb; now that you've looked at it your evil."
They had to make new armour for him. His balls were so big 😭 the high lords of terra blessed him.
Do the high lords have “blessing” power? Do we want this blessing?
That's fuckin crazy. A Guardsman snuck up on the legion of literally John Cena.. insane
Ok, at THIS point I’m convinced alpha legion isn’t chaos affiliated, but are more like renegade marines instead.
They're a secret third thing
We got those already its gotta be more complicated than that.
they're split. some warbands are chaos afflicted, some (probably most) aren't.
Bronzi! My boy. I thought they did him dirty, but I was wrong. So glad he got his hydra tattoo..
You never know if they're telling a lie or not 😂
I love them for that.
That was way nicer than how most Astartes talk at the best of times.
“I regret your friends had to be used as bait” yeah I some how feel like he actually doesn’t
Most Astartes wouldn’t even be aware that a human would want to hear that and probably arent used to really comprehending the idea of regular human emotions, and that humans, especially those in service of the emperor, would have such emotions about death and dying, so even if insincere, they are kind of ahead.
The Salamanders, who get soo much credit for their occasional humane hiccup, still seem to see humans more as assets for the Empire that are best preserved. Alpha legion at least sometimes sees people as people, which is “big if true”.
Alpha Legion, the true loyal legion.
Imagine that the imperium has become so warped in its views that it simply turns out that the alpha legion are just the most loyal to the emperors ideals. And that's why the imperium doesn't understand them.
Bronzy truley was an amazing character and one of the first ppl that comes to mind when someone asks for comedic relief In the 40th millennium
Guardsman: **Sneaks up on alpha legion marine**
Alpha marine: **Is oblivious**
(Suspiciously tall Guardsmen): **Leans in in whispers "you are aplarius" **
Ok, minor paragraph time, while attempting to avoid spoilers (its Alpha Legion, after all, why should it all be revealed):
This is from the book "Legion" (banger of a book) and is based before the collapse of the imperium. Or rather not before, but literally as it happens. You learn entirely why the Alpha Legion betrayed the Emporer and what they were doing at the time. The focus of the book is well done; targeting the stories of the guardsmen caught up in the area while introducing slowly growing snippets of Alpha Legion perspective until eventually you're looking at the whole thing through Alpharius' (or Omegon's) perspective. With one of the best moments being the flip of Alpharius' loyalty against a fleet with a positively hilarious reveal about one of his ships against the enemy admiral.
I'd highly recommend listening to or reading this book even if you're not entirely interested in Alpha Legion, as the nuggets of info about the fall are really worth the effort to get while it glorifies an exemplar imperial guard regiment (The Lucifer Blacks), shows the gritty horror of people being treated as numbers on a large scale field of battle, personifies the classist differences between high and low ranks of the Imperial Navy and guard while displaying how the Alpha Legion abuses such class differences, and as you read you dont fully realise that the entire book is slowly snaking the tendrils of the Alpha Legion into the story before revelation hits and they're front and centre.
Hurtado Bronzi IS the chad. He is the character who's reputation IS what MARBO gets credit for.
I thought Marbo was known as the crazy gun slinging Catachan who goes in and reaps absolute havoc over the enemies of Mankind? Seems to me like Hurtabo Bronzi is much more tact and professional with his deeds.
Insane lore: alpha legion secretly serves The Emperor of Mankind.
Insaner lore: Alpharius switched places with the Emperor.
I'm reminded of the time when I first learned how reinforcements worked and used it to back cap an undefended Alpha Legion point to urk out a win by 4 points lol
Damn bro spoke to a Primarch
No just another ALPHA LEGION doing their job maybe or not
@@dinoz2113 actually it seemed that he was indeed speaking to Alpharius himself in this instance.
I'm still throwing my lot in with the theory that the alpha legion are still loyalist.
While some would say keeping some men alive is apart of their schemes i do think that the legion does care about the safety of humanity and others.
The fact you never really hear about them being chaos infested shows this, even the least chaos space marines are the night lords and look at them. The alpha legion look like angels compared to them and then the legion dont obsess over preforming debauchery and indulgence
There's a few like. Renegades, not quiet traitors but not trusted. Just sucks cause the AL did help Horus which has tainted them in the eyes of the wider Imperium.
Another reason why alpha legion is just so damn cool
The alpha legion may be a bunch of shady pricks, but some of them still have hearts
Being able to be likeable is a great deal on manipulation and espionage.
Amazing this soldier got to talk to Alpharius himself.
Now i’m more confused with the alpha legion are they loyalist or traitors
Decisive and informative, just the kind of war reporting we need. Keep up the good work!
SES Marshal of Law
Sounds like a decent guy for a traitor Of course. I'm guessing this must be before the fall
It is pre heresy. The events in the book legion are what triggers the alpha legion to eventually side with Horus. Good read.
Then, of course, there’s the prevailing meta of the fan lore; that the alpha legion are actually loyalists masquerading as chaos.
Or chaos masquerading as Loyalist.
@@m4albino201 or loyalist masquerading as chaos masquerading as loyalist masquerading as chaos
Did the alpha legion actually fall through or are they being loyal to the true will of the emperor?
Truly impressive that a Guardsman snuck up on Alpharius himself
A big sign AL is really Loyalists
They are PEHAPS pro Humanity, but definitely they aren't loyal to the Empire, they did way too much harm to it to still be considered loyal.
As I recall, the Alpha Legion actually does care more for their human allies than most Astartes, by which I mean to say that they oftentimes at least try to include actual escape plans for them instead of just leaving them to die horribly.
In this instance the dying was an integral part of the plan though, so...
lol trust me the guardsmen didn't "Sneak up on the Alpha legion, bro knew he was there the whole time but humored him out of curiosity.
The Legionaire was just luring him into a false sense of security to better infiltrate Imperial posts
In harrowmasters there is alot of banter betwen Solomon Akura and the witch
Bro is called hurtado lol
Imagine having a surname as your name lol
Thats my Alpha legio 🎉
"You can't defeat me!" "I don't care who you are."
Please for the love of God do a segment about The Inquisitor who snuck into the throne room I believe the book was Inquisition war and he was trying to warn the emperor about a rogue faction of the Inquisition known as Hydra something
Reminds me of Tanith scout Sgt. Mkoll outsmarting a drukhari assassin.
I would just like to say that Alpha Legion is _shockingly_ close to Aloha Legion.
Legion was an excellent novel, great choice for a subject.
I remember reading this book, it was a solid read, Im on Nemesis now. And I will finish the horus heresy
Dude wasn't a guardsman, the Imperial guard was yet to be formed at this point, as this happens during the Horus Heresy.
No, brothers. WE . Are Alpharius.
Technically not just Guardsman, as members of Geno Five-Two Chiliad were genetically exhanced and bred Imperial Army soldiers who did inspire Emperor to create Primarchs and Space Marines...
On book 30-something, Pharos (yes, I’ve gone in order, 2 years now)
The series really starts to drag. Finally starting to head somewhere though (lots of recounting from different perspectives)
I would find this in the middle of reading Legion 💀
I would definitely make an alpha legion army if I had cash to spare
Did this happen in the great crusade?
Yes
One thing I like about the alpha legion is due to their nature you could easily headcannon them as a chaos legion or loyalist or good guys or bad guys because it’s the alpha legion who truly knows
Legion is such a good book
Kind of ironic that the astartes are the defenders of humanity but treat regular humans as dogs lol
"... and also I am Alpharius."
If I recall correctly this is actually Alpharius he's talking to.
I'm still having trouble in thinking if whether the Alpha Legion are Loyalists or Traitors.
I was so pissed over the end of this book....
Well sure. The Alpha Legion aren't traitor Astartes after all.
Funny how the alpha legion treats people better than the iron hands
Well, that’s a really nice astartes for once
Not even the nicest loyalists talk like this to mortals. This is 110% emotional manipulation, which is fitting for AL.
is an isn't. alpha legion like to hear from base humans if they have any input on battle plans cause they might have a perspective that astartes may overlook. and at least in Renegades: Harrowmaster they tend to treat base humans with some degree of respect instead of more or less forcing them into service, because loyalty is more reliable than fear for making sure the people taking care of a bunch of their shit don't sabotage them
Hell yeah
Well we can be certain that one wasn't alpharius
I may need to re read legion
We fight So Others May Live
I was kind of disappointed when I looked this up and found out this took place during the Great Crusade. Because if this took place in the 41st millennium, and a modern day guardsman snuck up to an Alpha Legionnaire, I would have said, "Either the God Emperor has blessed him, or the Legion must be scrapping the bottom of the barrel if one of their own is getting snuck upon and not the other way around."
That Alpha Legionnaire and the rest of his squad were without there power armor. Still, it should've not happened.
Immediate Neophyte indoctrination
I kinda like yet hate the Alpha Legion. Mainly from the book “Legion”. They have cool tactics, and the fact that they all look similar allows their Primarch to blend in with his troops. I just hate the fact that the ending was so damn confusing. Dude gets told he can save the universe by joining Horus, decides to remain loyal to Bog E, BLOWS UP THE FLEET THAT ESCORTED HIM IN.
Song?
is this before or after you know what?
I really hate that they turned traitor ngl
Or _did_ they?
You are new to 40k aren't you?
@ No.
Soon she will learn why its free
Ah, great crusade...
im just split on if the alpha legion is even devoted to a certain chaos god, like tzeench would be the most fitting but they’re not sorcerers so im genuinely curious
What is the soundtrack name?
100% a Emperor loyalist
Ekeke, Space Marines who need bait? The codex astartes does not support that action, (smells like heresy)
Is it "Legionary" or "Legionnaire" in WH40k canon?
Is this pre Heresy or post?
? Wouldn't the guy be Solar Auxiliary and not Astra Militarum?
So I Guess this was pre-heresy?
This must be pre Heresy.
Book 7 of the Heresy. This is indeed before the Heresy. Great book - recommend you check it out.