never ever put boxes or papers directly on the basement floor, even with a small amount of water they will wick it up and get ruined, use a pallet, 2x4s, even plastic containers, anything to keep it off the basement floor!
Found that out the hard way 5 springs ago. Found a pallet that was trimmed neat as you please so it only had two runners instead of 3 and tucked it in my shed under the bench for some boxes there.
This goes.for anywhere. I lost a bunch of stuff in my storage unit due to hurricane flooding, but sadly there was only an 6 inches of water in there. Some cinder blocks would have made the difference
It's likely one of them failed long ago and no one bothered to check. Then, the other one failed with no backup. The backup failed likely due to lack of use, thus rusted in place.
And a real sump pit tank, not a shallow make shift diy green tote. Basement will always be damp with water level just under the foor. Also the piping/path to the exit should be majorly shortened, as that will reek havic on any pump.
Nice to see some old fashioned plumbing. At work my 2 pumps are connected to a device timer type thing. Every 30 days it switches one pump to be main and other one back up. So in a years time they are somewhat used 50% each. Thanks Steven!
@@roseymalino9855 No that is where the "Somewhat" comes into play. One pump is not continuously carrying the load while other pump sits and does nothing all year.
Main pump died and no one noticed. Eventually backup pump died or it rusted solid over time from never being activated. Always active - exercise standby pumps.
I keep telling my kids that houses need maintenance, especially the plumbing and drains. You have to be proactive. Thank you for the excellent content, I first started watching to listen to your accent (born/bred Worcester but in Canada last 20yrs).
@@PSB-900 I have a 35 year old 3-D Maglite that I put in an LED upgrade about 7 years ago, still working great. Much brighter and a lot better battery life.
My 2 pumps are on separate circuits, pits joined by connecting pipe, one slightly deeper. Heat tracing on exit pipe, inside a 4 inch corrugated line, 120 feet to ditch. After one failure a decade back, now has a Generac backup. Many neighbors have had floods. 🇨🇦
Since they are both at different heights. My theory is the original deeper one had failed know one knew it and then the backup failed causing the flood. No one ever periodically checked on them to make sure they were working. What they should have had was a water powered backup. If they were on city water. This would never had happened. Steve great job
Great idea / work around, to drill that little hole in the Pipework to allow the Pump to have water on start up and into the future, clearly doing away with a possibility of Airlock and by so lack of PRIME...Great Upload...
Gotta love sump pumps my parents basement would flood from time to time until we had a plumber replace tile out in the yard the knuckle head who installed the tile didn't lay down sand first and the tile cracked and wasn't working properly. I worked nights 12 hour shifts 5p.m. to 5a.m and had to help my dad pump all the water out of the basement got no sleep and had to work the next night it sucked. Thankfully my house is a 120 years old no sump pump needed and it never floods live on top of a hill so the water drains away from my house.
If the backup pump is submerged in water and never used, won't it sieze and probably fail before the primary? Should the backup be placed above the primary float to keep it out of the water?
Zoeller still makes a great pump,its too bad theor switches suck! We had so many switch failures,that we stopped using them! We literally had hundreds,of not thousands of them!
What a mess! With all that trash floating around, the pump can easily suck up a piece of plastic (or a mouse 😵) and jam the impeller. Happened to me with the tail end of a tie wrap. - Happy New Year everyone!
Reinstalling with a system prone to the same failures suggests the owners won't change their failed systems of testing these pumps (if there ever was one). Would have been a good time to fit a monitoring system/alarm, but the incandescent lamp in your torch says it all.
Likely had one one pump fail sometime ago and didnt know it...then the other one stopped working...flood. People dont test their sump pumps on a regular basis. This most likely wouldn't have happened. Two pumps dont go out at the exact same time unless hooked into the same electrical outlet and lost power for whatever reason.
Where it's dark as a dungeon and damp as the dew. Where the dangers are many and the pleasures are few. Where the rain never falls and the sun never shines. It's dark as a dungeon at the dentist's gold mine.
Have had good luck with Little Giant brand sump pump... never failed, I change out with new one about every 7 years even if still working, then keep one as backup..... maybe I should put 2 in the hole like in this video
A water alarm should have been installed. Should be put in so it goes off when the water is higher than the lower pump, but lower than the high pump. This would tell you the first one is failing and the backup is being used. Then you would fix the lower pump before the backup gives out.
Most likely the backup pump never worked because it sat under water for a long time and it seized up from rust. It’s important to exercise standby pumps from time to time to prevent this.
This does not look like a proper sump crock either. It looks like someone took a recycle bin box and threw it in there. A proper crock is about 3 feet deep and round. This is only about half that deep. It has a significant lip on it too which it should not have or it will not drain all the water from the floor.
Here is the problem with 2 pumps one higher than the other one. Since the higher one doesn't run it will seize up. Then when the lower pump quits the upper pump that should take over cant because its sized. Seen this many many times. Also if it does take over you dont know that the higer pump is the only working pump. Then if that one did manage to take over it dies and you are flooded. The best thing is a dual pump set up with both pumps at the same level. They alternate every other cycle. If for example pump 2 does not run when it should and the water level rises your control will now command the other pump on so both should be energized. The system will then pump you down and alert you something isnt right. Then if they both fail you have a third level that triggers an alarm. The control is not hard to build yourself and is not all that expensive.
Wow, what a friggin dungeon, dark and full of crap. I would not want to have any dental work done there especially the organization of that basement just turns me off.
I once wired a house that had so much water in the ground I had to put 1 on both rear corners of the house and 1 in the same areas outside of the house. One was constantly running so much had to run direct to the storm drain ot the street
The green check valve in the pipework above holds a lot of water back, so it is a bit like a cap. Now, imagine the pump and short piece of pipe is like an upside down drinking glass in a kitchen sink, as you fill the sink with water the glass remains filled with air. In the pump's case, the pump impeller remains surrounded by air. When it switches on it just spins - it needs to be primed. Drilling a hole allows the rising water to push the air out and the water to enter the pump body, now the pump is primed.
Isn't using a pump for a longer period of time a bad thing? wouldn't it mess up with the structure underneath the house because of the constant flow? Please do ping, otherwise I wouldn't see the response; it's an interesting topic
never ever put boxes or papers directly on the basement floor, even with a small amount of water they will wick it up and get ruined, use a pallet, 2x4s, even plastic containers, anything to keep it off the basement floor!
Garage floor too, found out the hard way with my paint cans
Found that out the hard way 5 springs ago. Found a pallet that was trimmed neat as you please so it only had two runners instead of 3 and tucked it in my shed under the bench for some boxes there.
Did you notice the empty shelves on the wall ?
This goes.for anywhere. I lost a bunch of stuff in my storage unit due to hurricane flooding, but sadly there was only an 6 inches of water in there. Some cinder blocks would have made the difference
I sadly have learned this lesson the hard way!
It's likely one of them failed long ago and no one bothered to check. Then, the other one failed with no backup. The backup failed likely due to lack of use, thus rusted in place.
Yes, I totally agree.
As we say in the IT world, if you don't test your backups, you don't have backups.
This guy needs a high water alarm!
And a real sump pit tank, not a shallow make shift diy green tote. Basement will always be damp with water level just under the foor. Also the piping/path to the exit should be majorly shortened, as that will reek havic on any pump.
I think they are in the Spector alert advanced fire alarms.
Nice to see some old fashioned plumbing. At work my 2 pumps are connected to a device timer type thing. Every 30 days it switches one pump to be main and other one back up. So in a years time they are somewhat used 50% each. Thanks Steven!
That sounds smart.
Don't forget to put in an alarm! It doesn't take much, just a 9v battery, buzzer, and two wires.
Does it rain equal amounts every month?
@@roseymalino9855 No that is where the "Somewhat" comes into play. One pump is not continuously carrying the load while other pump sits and does nothing all year.
Look how much rain we had this year l live in CT they record over 64 inches last time was 1920s of rain we usually get 40 inches .
Main pump died and no one noticed. Eventually backup pump died or it rusted solid over time from never being activated. Always active - exercise standby pumps.
I keep telling my kids that houses need maintenance, especially the plumbing and drains. You have to be proactive. Thank you for the excellent content, I first started watching to listen to your accent (born/bred Worcester but in Canada last 20yrs).
Time to change the batteries in that flashlight Steve.
Actually he needs an LED flashlight! I had an old Maglite with the standard filament bulb and it was lacking in lumens. I switched to LED.
@@PSB-900 I have a 35 year old 3-D Maglite that I put in an LED upgrade about 7 years ago, still working great. Much brighter and a lot better battery life.
Someone get Steve a decent flashlight. 😂
Super Steve to the rescue again!
The ridiculous run of piping to exit is what probably killed those pumps, that and the nasty make-shift shallow pit.
Little giant makes pretty good stuff. I think you'll be happy with that pump
Same thing happened to my father in law basement, same exact set up. Both pumps failed.
From my experience, typically what happens with these sump pumps is the switches fail.
That was going to be my exact comment. The Zoeller pumps are 10x better than the float switches.
Yes and the internal switches can be replaced. I have done it 3 times.
We only had one sump pump in our basement when I was a kid. I guess that it’s a good idea to test both pumps at least once a year.
Good job Steve! Thanks for sharing all your videos. Best wishes for the new year! “2024” Martinsburg, WV 🇺🇸
I think We had Little Giant pumps on Our Water Stove a long time ago. I think they are pretty good pumps.
they are very good pumps
All it needs is a high level float alarm with a load buzzer or red light simple done it in UK. Amazing
My 2 pumps are on separate circuits, pits joined by connecting pipe, one slightly deeper. Heat tracing on exit pipe, inside a 4 inch corrugated line, 120 feet to ditch. After one failure a decade back, now has a Generac backup. Many neighbors have had floods. 🇨🇦
Since they are both at different heights. My theory is the original deeper one had failed know one knew it and then the backup failed causing the flood. No one ever periodically checked on them to make sure they were working. What they should have had was a water powered backup. If they were on city water. This would never had happened.
Steve great job
That old halogen flashlight aint gettin it done.
Great idea / work around, to drill that little hole in the Pipework to allow the Pump to have water on start up and into the future, clearly doing away with a possibility of Airlock and by so lack of PRIME...Great Upload...
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again ya’ll. 👍👍
Those little giant pumps aren't too bad.
You wanna hear the worst thing in a dentist office to service? The Ramvac evacuation/suction pumps. 🤮
Steven, Happy New Year to you and Miss Molly 🎉
Thanks for all the Videos and Many More in the New Year 👍
Why the 3/16 hole ( air lock) in the impeller.? I am assuming
Yes. He said that.
An honest hard working man doing work for a fair price. Best wishes to you and Molly in 2024. We got a leaker!!
I like the old style cast iron pedestal pumps that last a long time.
Gotta love sump pumps my parents basement would flood from time to time until we had a plumber replace tile out in the yard the knuckle head who installed the tile didn't lay down sand first and the tile cracked and wasn't working properly. I worked nights 12 hour shifts 5p.m. to 5a.m and had to help my dad pump all the water out of the basement got no sleep and had to work the next night it sucked. Thankfully my house is a 120 years old no sump pump needed and it never floods live on top of a hill so the water drains away from my house.
Happy New Year Steven, give Molly some extra treats.
Good job Steve, Happy New Year's.
We got some rain that monday holy shit boys
Its kind of odd that both pumps went at the same time! Or maybe one was out for a while?
Happy New Year Steve! i enjoy watching your work!
That's bad when you have 2 pumps, and they both fail. I thought I saw a fish swim buy down there. 😂 🐟 🐠 🎣
How do we send you batteries or a real flashlight?
Why his works fine
I got some of those old mag lights he needs a good rechargeable led flashlight
@@tedbell4416 No, just change out the bulb for an LED module.
🤣😂@@internallyinteral
If the backup pump is submerged in water and never used, won't it sieze and probably fail before the primary? Should the backup be placed above the primary float to keep it out of the water?
In theory, but the sump (bucket) is so shallow they both have to sit in the water.
Lloyd Bridges in "Sea Hunt". !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve Go Time
Steve you and miss molly have a great new year
RAIP - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Pumps
RAIP 0 if it's rising fast... RAIP 1 if you have time and want a bit of redundancy. :-)
I remember a video of that place when there was nuts in the pipe
Liked your video. Thanks very much. Happy New Year to you and Miss Molly.
Zoeller still makes a great pump,its too bad theor switches suck! We had so many switch failures,that we stopped using them! We literally had hundreds,of not thousands of them!
What a mess! With all that trash floating around, the pump can easily suck up a piece of plastic (or a mouse 😵) and jam the impeller. Happened to me with the tail end of a tie wrap. - Happy New Year everyone!
Reinstalling with a system prone to the same failures suggests the owners won't change their failed systems of testing these pumps (if there ever was one). Would have been a good time to fit a monitoring system/alarm, but the incandescent lamp in your torch says it all.
This setup needs a four float panel that will phone home and run a check on the loads when necessary.
Not everyone is a weird fire alarm kid
Yes Steve we know it’s a back up.
Happy New Year to you and Miss Molly, Steven! 🎉🇺🇲
Let's get a real flash light!
Steve should have brought his fishing rod along. Who knows what he could catch down there.
Hopefully, no brown trout!
Likely had one one pump fail sometime ago and didnt know it...then the other one stopped working...flood. People dont test their sump pumps on a regular basis. This most likely wouldn't have happened. Two pumps dont go out at the exact same time unless hooked into the same electrical outlet and lost power for whatever reason.
You need a head lamp Steve, it think it would be helpful in these situations.Yee HA!
I bought one of those headlamps. It’s great for dark attics and basements.
I have one of those thin led wrap around head band lamps, with the wide angle light. There is light everywhere, even in my peripheral vision field.
The joint is a dental surgery, heard a normal. domestic air compressor running, autclace and sterisation gear down there and patients records....
That was Double Trouble.
Where it's dark as a dungeon and damp as the dew. Where the dangers are many and the pleasures are few. Where the rain never falls and the sun never shines. It's dark as a dungeon at the dentist's gold mine.
You are a poet and don't even know it!
Have had good luck with Little Giant brand sump pump... never failed, I change out with new one about every 7 years even if still working, then keep one as backup..... maybe I should put 2 in the hole like in this video
Happy new year
Hi steve, remember this location in one of your old videos, same thing happened in the past! Good job!
Happy New Year Steve!
Hey hey hey Steve. She's a Leaker 😊😊😊😊 Happy New year 🎊🎊🎊
A water alarm should have been installed. Should be put in so it goes off when the water is higher than the lower pump, but lower than the high pump. This would tell you the first one is failing and the backup is being used. Then you would fix the lower pump before the backup gives out.
The first hint that a house may have a water problem--2 sump pumps in the basement!
Nice recycling bin for the sump basin 😂 can’t make this shit up!
I always have another backup pump with the pipe already on it, just in case our main pump dies
It’s crazy that both pumps failed! They must get a lot of water there and wore them out’
Most likely the backup pump never worked because it sat under water for a long time and it seized up from rust. It’s important to exercise standby pumps from time to time to prevent this.
that was next level LOL
Hey Steeve question Zoller or Liberty pump. Both of my Zoller's failed switch problem. What's your recommendations
Talking about dental cavities. There is a cavity somewhere in the sub pump.
keep pumping baby
There is probably a video of Steve putting in those Zoellers, before he switched to Liberty.
I think I remember a video in the past of him putting these in. If I remember correctly, one of the discharge pipes was clogged with acorns.
Hi there What’s the reason for the weep hole ?
Hello Steve!
Mybe the pit needs to be deeper to lower the water table under the floor. 🤔
Where in the Hell You get that flashlight at? Thats back in the 80's.
Howdy Steve and Molly
How long did the zoeler pumps last?
This does not look like a proper sump crock either. It looks like someone took a recycle bin box and threw it in there. A proper crock is about 3 feet deep and round. This is only about half that deep. It has a significant lip on it too which it should not have or it will not drain all the water from the floor.
Here is the problem with 2 pumps one higher than the other one. Since the higher one doesn't run it will seize up. Then when the lower pump quits the upper pump that should take over cant because its sized. Seen this many many times. Also if it does take over you dont know that the higer pump is the only working pump. Then if that one did manage to take over it dies and you are flooded.
The best thing is a dual pump set up with both pumps at the same level. They alternate every other cycle. If for example pump 2 does not run when it should and the water level rises your control will now command the other pump on so both should be energized. The system will then pump you down and alert you something isnt right. Then if they both fail you have a third level that triggers an alarm. The control is not hard to build yourself and is not all that expensive.
How highs the water momma
The concept of a backup pump doesn't really work if you don't know the original pump died. You're stuck with two dead pumps and a flood of basement.
It's time to upgrade your flashlight. Those old mag lights are useless.
Someone send Steve a Milwaukee flashlight 😂
Wow, what a friggin dungeon, dark and full of crap. I would not want to have any dental work done there especially the organization of that basement just turns me off.
Looks like both are connected to the same pipe .
I once wired a house that had so much water in the ground I had to put 1 on both rear corners of the house and 1 in the same areas outside of the house. One was constantly running so much had to run direct to the storm drain ot the street
I surprised you lifted the pump out of the box by the wire, and not the handle.
Can we get a workn mans cooking video for the new year? 😊
The plastic container looks too shallow it should be deeper
why do you make a small hole on the side? What does it use for ?
The green check valve in the pipework above holds a lot of water back, so it is a bit like a cap.
Now, imagine the pump and short piece of pipe is like an upside down drinking glass in a kitchen sink, as you fill the sink with water the glass remains filled with air. In the pump's case, the pump impeller remains surrounded by air. When it switches on it just spins - it needs to be primed.
Drilling a hole allows the rising water to push the air out and the water to enter the pump body, now the pump is primed.
Thank you for the detailed explanation, John.@@JohnWatkinsUK
Sup Steve 🎉
liberty pump best one out there
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How can both die at the same time?
One was probably dead for years then the other followed suit. Preventative maintenance
Maybe main died first, no one noticed, then eventually back up died.
Those Zoeller pumps are known for bad switches, the pumps work fine.
Happy new year everyone.
Just wondering if you ever use a PVC union on sump pump installs? Happy New Year Steve! 🥳
This is the reason why. Easy to swap out a pump if one quits. The check valve is the union in this case.
@@Nighthawke70 I get that, but for me, it seems faster using a union. I have one on mine for quick swap outs 🤷♂️
@@chuckq54 And code requirement. Some cities require check valves as part of their sump drain systems. And it makes sense as well.
Zoeller made in USA .
Look up little giant .
Isn't using a pump for a longer period of time a bad thing? wouldn't it mess up with the structure underneath the house because of the constant flow? Please do ping, otherwise I wouldn't see the response; it's an interesting topic
为什么你要在旁边钻洞?起什么作用
What’s the reason for drilling the downward facing hole ?
To prevent airlock when you put the pump in the hole. He actually says that.
Some people have one pump