Learn Live 12: Live’s Browser
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- See how to make the most out of Live’s updated Browser and navigate its tagging system.
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Please allow us to turn off the filters all together. It takes more clicks and time to find things than the older browser, and it clutters the space !
I think they should give both the option for plugins browser to keep it like 12 or like the previous version.
the worst thing is when a company makes a major change to an already efficient and working system and makes it worse in almost every conceivable way@@HereafterOfficial
Came to write this. It’s a shame that the old default grouping by plugin type and manufacturer name is not there anymore. It’s simply not convenient to choose effects without a default sorting.
been using the beta since release, u do get use to it pretty quick, i had this problem too, but after a couple days i go way faster with the new browser@@Divuar
please... let us turn off the filter. and give us back the folder in plug-in tap
Changing the Plug-Ins folder in that way is just mind boggling. I get the tags thing but I shouldn't have to remember Plug-Ins names to find them until I tag them. Im lost for words.
So verdict seems to be that the Live 12 browser update took a step backwards.
Let’s see if Ableton listens to its customers, I know Image-Line would.
considering we’ve been waiting since live 9/10 for basic shit like ARA2…i wouldn’t get my hopes up
We're here and listening! We understand that the new Browser experience is different to the old one, but it just takes a bit of time to set it up to get the most out of it. Please check this video by Seed To Stage to understand its capabilities better: bit.ly/3v90rAJ
@@Ableton well in my case I welcome the new tagging system but will never use it unless folder tagging is added. I have thousands of samples in folder structures with hundreds of subfolders.
don't fix what ain't broken@@Ableton
Yep agreed@@Spkt3r
It’s a shame the old default grouping is gone. I don’t want to type in some association tags, I just want to see my plugins already groped by type or manufacturer as it was before.
I like version 12, but this filter thing is too specific to force all users to move to that. Why change something which wasn’t broken
Because this German pita ball baby has been requesting it on the forum for years. Folders and places were perfectly fine, now us old heads need to relearn our muscle memory and do this tagging bs. I still cant figure it out, and some of the custom filters i create dont even work half the time. Its a shit show and Live knows it now, so they are scrambling to try to fix it. Just look at the recent 12 beta. Even Live hasent given a clear tutorial on how to use tagging.
@@Paradroidx Glad to see I wasn't the only one fumbling through this tagging system - it's not particularly intuitive at all.
@@Interface3072 Well at least they fixed the plugins and folders in the latest 12 beta. Still have a way to go with the tagging system though.
What did yall do to the Plugins folder? I had them organized wuite well and now they’re just dumped all in one place. Vst2 and vst3’s co-mingling in the same place like they’re labeled differently… 🤷 Please update this soon.
Especially crazy that VST2,3, AUs and others are all in the same block now.
The designer team were absolutely brilliant if they were successful in pitching the browser as it is as a good thing.
@@Divuarlol
They are not in the same block, You can click on AU filter and only au plugins will appear...
Tags make sense, but only if you create them yourself, and you really use them. Dumping all sounds into one bucket creates confusion, especially for ppl who had their way of orientating in the browser from previous versions. Same for the plugin. What I don't like the most, is that many sounds, effects, and instruments from my collections are now gone and I have to rebuild them.
Live 11 browser was perfect for me imo.
U shud give us the option to hav it like the Live 11 layout, with the exact same audio effects group folders and group names , nd the option for the new Live 12 layout with all the filters.
The only time I wud need all the filter searches is for searching though masses of samples, as it does seem proper useful for that. But I wudnt ever use the browser filters for stock plugins or 3rd party plugins.
If u can update Live 12 with that option to group the audio effects in folders like we was able to in Live 11, that wud be sick
I think the important thing is to customise your VSTs into the User Library; yeah it's a pain but once you have your 'categories' (compressors; delays, creative tools, whatever), it's easy enough to 'add' any new or existing installed plugs into those user-defined category folders. That being said, VSTs by developer is still a must!
please auto-categorize the plugins as Bitwig does. The way of searching for plug-ins was better before.
Is there a way to get rid of tags you don't use often, or move them lower down? I don't do a lot of Brass/French Horn work in my production.
Please make it possible to activate and disable the new browser search function with a separate menu ,
It's so serious that foreigners who don't speak English speak their opinions through a translator🤢
many vst3 that lost the folder got mixed up
we need an existing folder classification function
Thank you for your feedback! Our teams are informed about it and will consider it for future updates.
Can't say the new browser is an improvement, atleast not for the plugin category. I do not want to type or click around on filters. There just needs to be a VST/VST3 folder with all the brand names inside.
Not sure if it’s possible but could you create this folder under the places section as a workaround?
@@innovo.montezallen it was there by default in the previous versions. I just want to make music, not create workarounds for things that used to work great. 🙂
@@oddiction same for me, I give a shit on workarounds in 2024.
@@oddiction I mean they’re not forcing u to upgrade but alright mate 😂
@@innovo.montezallenthat doesn’t work. All the vst’s got compiled into 1 section called Plugins. There are some things that have been improved, but is not one of them. This is actually a step backwards because now all my Waves plugins and NI and Izotope plugins are out in the open.
You can argue for Ableton, but upgrades are supposed to improve. In 11, they added categories and you could get rid of that… this should be a similar option thaf they provide because we cannot
Like a lot of people mention. An option to switch back and forth to the simpler (version 11 browser) would be great. Don't change something that was ok. Thanks!
Is there an option to leave the filter view folded by default? I like having access to the filters but I hate having to fold it every time I click on something new in the browser.
It remembers the filter state for each tab.
Any news on being able to deactivate this feature?
i hate it. bring the old browser back PLEASEEEE
Where are my folders? The update sucks so hard!
at least give me the option !
The new browser sucks. I don't know how else to put it. Wayyy too slow and clunky. Please give us an option to go back. All we need is more "favorites" colors.
i cant drag tracks into the sidebar anymore, i cannot drag samples into new folders in the browser, i cant organize anything anymore. i cannot make my sample packs anymore. workflow has significantly slowed down. please explain the fix
Please add colors to tags it will improve this system so much. Also add colors to drum pads in drum rack, much needed.
Please fix the Browser section which for Vst 2 is totally broken. Let us navigate by folder.
The tagging system is a great feature, but you forget the most important tag : "Untagged"
I think the clear button does that, may be wrong tho
Why do I have two groups for devices? One that says "Devices" and the other one "devices"?
I'm just fine with the new browser functions, although it takes a lot of time. But what I want to know, when I install Live on a new computer (same user library, external SSD) will the Tags still remain? Cheers
You really should be able to add more collections than the default 7!
it would be really useful to be able to tag a projects folder instead of just the als file. this would make it easier to keep the tag/project in place with creating new versions!
i know this is possible with color tags but i think it should be the same with the new tags, it would make my life a little easier :)
Where does that Acid House Beat RK 5 samples come from?
Please let us tag an entire folder and it's subfolders at once. I love the tagging system but there's no way I'm tagging my 2TB of samples individually.
what i did was for example search for 'kick' and then select them all and tag kick
saved searches are not moveable to change the order of them. would cool if they would be.
and they are not editable after they were saved
Hey Team, I'm trying to save instrument/fx racks into custom folders in my library tab without it being put in a parent folder. IE. I made a FILTERS folder and all of my VST and Stock filters show but any filters I've made and saved as a rack are being put in a parent folder called AUDIO EFFECT RACK and I have to click the arrow to open that folder to show my racks. I need JUST the racks to be visible at all times. Having them in a parent folder defeats the purpose of this whole system making things quickly accessible. Another big issue is not being able to manually organize the folders in the Library. I want to organize everything in that tab from the "most frequently used" at the top and "less used" at the bottom. Also, why not allow more collections? I'd rather use these than this new tagging system. Collections works effeciently but limited to 7 folders and Library tagging has unlimited folder options but doesn't work efficiently... A few minor tweaks and it would be a bullseye! 😅
how to unmask a cateogory in the filter section?
okay ableton i cannot call you guys directly and email takes soo long. so please help me here. help!!! idk why but anything i drag into the sidebar doesnt work anymore. and if i try to rename a sample in the brower i also cannot do this anymore. anyone know whats going on??? Please tell me i can still do this.
I blame it on them using AI
I dont see the same things on the modulation section on my mac
The filter is the worst ever ... I purchased 12 but deeply regret because it slowed down everything ... when you have a lot of plugins you are lost if one doesnt remember their names ... please bring back the LIve 11 search function ... bring back the one can scroll doesnt have to look for the sidebar and search also for that ... now I cant use all the good stuff as it is upsetting to work with it ...
Living in 2024 where there's no option for some AI to scan and auto-tag sounds feels bad.
I want me a visual browser.
Adding myself to the obviously increasing amount of users that feel the new plugin browser is terrible to use and makes no sense at all, showing all plugin types from all vendors in a flat list is the worst possible experience you could provide other than randomly dropping them all over the screen (which at least it would be funny, while right now its just a sad sad experience), it boggles the mind how this idea was considered an improvement by some sort of genius team. Please provide an option to revert it back to its old useful layout....
What am i doing wrong? This feature has made a real mess of my plugins, its actually made it multitudes more untidy. Also it doesnt do groups by developer properly. If I click on say the fabfilter tag there arent any fabfilter plugins in it. Also I had to make a tag for Eventide and others but they show plugins not made by eventide under that tag. This is really annoying.
Hopefully im just doing something stupid and theres an easy way to fix this.
It has taken me ages to figure out how this works. I have google and searched for a solution or explanation about this issue with the way plugins are sorted. Why on earth was a video not made to show how this works?
Anyhow, for some reason some creator tags are already premade while others arent, and there are no correct plugins placed in those tags that are created automatically. Im not 100% sure, and im definitely not reinstalling Ableton to find out, but the way it looked to me is that Ableton makes some creator tags and makes an absolutely appalling effort at 1) creating the tags and then 2) filling them with the correct plugins.
So basically you need to create creator tags yourself and manually assign each plugin to a creator tag. Its actually so incredibly badly implemented that I feel like im wrong in some way. Its almost like something Microsoft would do.
But overall this is a really good update the quality of life features in this update are really substantial. The Roar effect actually seems pretty good too.
EDIT: I still don't see a reason to add this feature in. It's pretty much the same as the old way but just takes time and is a real pain to set up. I would honestly love to know if I'm missing something.
Hi there - thanks for the comment. The way that plug-ins are organized was indeed changed with Live 12. This means they won't be separated by developer by default anymore. The current method is to make your own tags and apply them manually. But, there are users requesting a "return to the old way", so if you feel the same we invite you to submit a feature request: bit.ly/3VayAKU . Thanks - Ableton
@@Ableton Ok thanks I have just done that! Overall I am going to continue using Live 11 for a while longer as I feel the browser in Live 12 is going to get an overhaul, or maybe even taken out completely for plugins. A lot of people will miss working as fast as they could on Live 11, it takes more clicks and much effort to do basic things now in the updated browser.
The new filter based browser is the most useless feature I've ever seen in Ableton since I started using it in 2006.
I can't add anything to collections. I can't change the color and name. Is anyone else having this problem?
Hi there, thanks for reaching out! We recommend getting in touch with our Technical Support team along with a Status Report via this link: bit.ly/3IB4J6U Find out how to create a Status Report here: bit.ly/43etak6 Our team will be happy to take a closer look at this for you.
I absolutely can't stand it. Bring the old version back, please!
Filters took over my 13” screen help
PLEASE ADD AI AUTO TAGGING FOR SAMPLES
It's there called similarly search. If you have a shit ton of folders with samples, just let the similarly search do its thing, then just click the add button. creates a sort of favorites in the Library sidebar. It's pretty neat.
I love the tag system. I'm gonna have so much fun with it
ugh, I hate the new browser, please give us an option to use the old style
We understand it's a completely new workflow for you. Here's a video by @SeedtoStage that should help! ua-cam.com/video/FIsKZ_coxtI/v-deo.html
@@Ableton No, it's not a "new workflow", its much worse user experience which should be obvious by now considering the amount of feedback on this video alone...
@djnonnus I agree.
we use it to make music not to learn filing systems, just let us use it how we want, give us flexibility, it's frustrating that I paid for the upgrade but still using 11 because of the awful browser@@Ableton
Bro this comment section lmao
Terrible new system. Please at least have option to turn back old way of sorting. Now it's absolute mess - I don't want to see a list of all my plugins, sorted by name. I want to see list of manufacturers when I click on Plug-ins, where they were neatly sorted into folders. Now there's only one huge list of ALL plugins. Who approved this and who thought it would be easier??
screw it im switching to Fl
Sorry but FL browser has tagging system also.
Personally, I like the new browser, tags are cool, it's way better than categorising stuff by colour dots like I had been doing it before.
Browser sucks
When you want to group you plug-ins by manufacturer, just add custom tags for it. I see a lot of negative feedback, but when you do a small investment in setting things up, things will get better soon. Ableton could maybe add some options to auto tag on manufacturers and type of plugin, that can make it I a bit easier for new users.
I'd like to strongly advice people who oppose the filter & tag sections to at least give this a fair try. Because it can save you _so_ much time once you set up your tags and groups; you don't even have to bother with the defaults! Seriously... having VST2 and 3 devices I always had to keep collapsing the main selection, then the folder I wanted and only then could I access my devices. Now? I open the VST section, I click, say, u-he and *done* . All my synths neatly in place.
Fun fact: even though your folders are invisible Live can still detect these AND filter on them! So if you have a folder called U-HE like I have... press ctrl + f in Live, type u-he and watch the magic unfold. Then set up your tag(s) and you're done. It's so easy once you set it all up....
It was so easy before without setting anything up. A lot of people don't want to spend days doing that. We want to make music, not have to organise a browser setup that is such a massive mess now.
@sonicbloomtuts Wow. Was wondering when your were going to do a 12 browser tutorial. Guess not? Agreed it's really confusing and now a clutter mess.
Here's what everyone is missing...
Group tags = Main Folder
Tags = Sub Folders inside that main folder..
You can combine vst with vst3 in those folders OR whatever you want, anything! Such as m4l, racks,tracks, samples etc etc. If it shows up on your browser it can be tagged.
But but but wait it gets better... you can save those
" folders " i.e reverbs, delays, distortion, etc etc as docked folders on the left column of the browser where you have your audio effects, sounds, midi fx tabs etc etc.
stop hating, this browser is amazing you will love it after 1 week working with it
I think it's very good as well. I just wish I could have a toggle for the old folder view, when I'm not using filters. Auto-tagging user library samples with AI would make the tag system so much more powerful, and allowing third party plugins to sort themselves into tags would be neat, too.
I still hate it after 4 months of working with it. The idea isn't bad, but it feels like it's in alpha stage.
i don't understand people saying the old plugin browser was better
it's not, exactly like this one