Does Music Practice Have To Be Hard? | Deliberate Practice vs Flow State
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2021
- Is there a way for music practice to be both enjoyable and effective? Deliberate practice aficionados say "No". Flow state devotees say "Yes". Who's right?
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I really liked the point of changing your mind when it comes to mistakes.
Instead of disappointment and negative self talk, curiosity!
You can truly turn that into deeper interest, knowledge and focus during your practise.
I play classical guitar and it really helps me when i feel frustrated somewhere to stop and think " why is that not getting out the way i want? Why is this string buzzing? " and then you realize that it is really interesting how for example just by moving slightly a finger, then the chords turns out cleaner.
I am also thinking a lot about this debate between those two ways of practicing, but as with many things in live, i tend to belive that it all comes down to the mindset you choose to adopt over it.
Curiosity is such a powerful thing. I was just listening to a podcast where someone was explaining that some of the great names from history (Leonard Da Vinci, Benjamin Franklin, and others) often didn't seem to be that much more intelligent than other people. But they WERE generally a lot more curious!
Very, very interesting - 'how interesting!' - video. I like that approach.
Glad you liked it, Neil!
Thanks for the insights into this stuff. I feel very skeptical about these ideas insofar as they sound right but absent real world implementation on a large scale by incorporating them into our pedagogical practices, how do we really know they work?
A lot of this stuff sound a bit like Gladwell who seems more like a carnival barker and showman than a serious thinker.
having said that, I am going to try to imitate the method you're describing here and see what happens :-D
There's a lot of good research into both these areas (Flow and Deliberate Practice). But more that needs to be understood for sure. And there isn't currently a consensus on how the two different areas fit together (or don't). So these are just my thoughts rather than "definitive truths". (They do match my experience, though)
Gladwell does tend to draw on good science. but he's typically looking to tell a story more than to provide a complete and balanced picture. If you want more on this then I'd start with Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (Flow) and Anders Ericsson (Deliberate Practice)
False dichotomy. Deliberate practice is a prerequisite for achieving the flow state, not an alternative to it. In music, you have to first become really, really good at something before you can perform it in a flow state. This requires countless hours of focused, deliberate practice. Speaking one’s native language is usually done in a flow state, because we have learned it and practiced it from birth, so we are so proficient that it just flows. That’s why we say that someone speaks fluently. There are no shortcuts to fluency. It takes years of hard work, and reading a book or meditating are not going to get you there. Stop watching UA-cam, grab your instrument, and get to work.
We can achieve Flow adding simple flow trigger in every step
Every human have skill in everything but proportion is different