That's the reason he doesn't know how to build a team because all he knows that wrap the characters with shield and they will be fine....... Because even when having Kokomi in the team, he kept on dying pointlessly Also he doesn't know how to use play with other characters
@@lulch212 I meant it more as a pun on “crust” as in the layer of the earth, but…..eh, to each their own, I’m gay, but I don’t think he’s hot at all. Actually none of the men in genshin. They all kinda suck. I’m not here for skinny no-ass-having bishounen pretty boys.
How do you just forget to bring a healer on floor 11? even if you use Zhongli you know to bring a healer for at least one side. Its just artificial struggling.
Bro got way too comfortable with 7/8 characters and refuses to play anyone else 😭 it’s always either raiden team or itto team or occasionally bloom team
@@pfortunato78 nah! Just one full sweep of aim and just that's it. I use her all the time against that boss and I can prove it especially when the Hypostasis 2.0 event came back.
switching to kokomi would remove his fast dendro application and since he is only using 1 dendro he needs nahida on field most of the time for bloom proc's, and putting kokomi on the field is just a dps loss
for magu kenki, just be sure you're always in front of him so his back are against the wall so once he teleports to the wall he won't be teleporting anywhere else
That's true for 80% of the time, but Kenki does have an attack in which he dashes forward, followed by an anemo slash, so he can escape that corner but that's kinda rare I guess.
@@protagkun8859 its anything but rare ..if you watch some more guides ..you can see some cc advise you to not push him too close to the wall or moving around him a bit to prevent him from doing it
maguu will always dash to where your camera i facing, and this includes burst animations too. but the mages will always tp to where your character is looking, and the same rule applies to the whopperflowers.
@@emeraly2721 I suppose I'm speaking only from my experience then, cause for me it's quite rare, and it never mattered if Kenki was against the wall or not, he just dashes forward whenever he feels like it. Most of the time for me when Kenki is against the wall, he'll just do basic attacks or his big plunge.
He also didn't use any healers on floor 11. It wouldn't make for good content if he beats it easily so he has to create more difficulties for a more entertaining video.
I think a lot of your issues can be solved just by understanding the enemy's mechanics. Like how to bait the hydro heralds, how to corner the magu kenki, and last but not least understanding the wenut's attack pattern.
@@nathho actually it's because they just 1 shot the bosses in the overworld so they never see any of the attacks. So then when it's in the abyss with way more health they actually see more attacks this has happened to me before lol.
Nah hard disagree on the Welnut, even if u can knock it down if stays down for maybe 5-7 seconds, spending most of the time underground is just ugh. Maybe it’s a skill issue but I feel like they should really try keeping bosses that purposely waste time out of the abyss lol
I’m pretty sure nahida alone on floor 11 would’ve been fine .. she can one shot all those blob things at the end with 1 skill you just have to do a full circle basically .. you could’ve probably taken yae and a healer or a different shielded instead of Sara and Tighnari
Sometimes I think Moga forgets the full extent of all his characters and their capabilities, Yae sounds perfect yet she most likely never crossed his mind
It pains me to see Diona and Layla being so forgotten lol Specially Diona because she's such an incredible unit. She's a battery, EM buffer, shielder, healer and ATL buffer with Noblese and Elegy. Please use her more Moga
Nope, its not. Healers in this game already over-heal but im assuming this is for content so he is playing it up. The proof is in the fact that he didn't use any healers on floor 11 as if to try to make it seem a lot harder.
I've had him since his first run and use him regularly and even I'm not this reliant on him lmao. Ig it's expected tho since I have an alt that didn't have him for over a year and still doesn't use him for abyss.
I'm a super casual player who knows the meta in theory but doesn't have the skills or time to actually apply it to the abyss- so moga struggling is relatable to me! Of course the part where he has literally every character in the game and five star weapons/constellations isn't relatable.. but hey, that's what I get for watching a content creator. It was a fun video to watch, as usual!
ok but u know the theoretical part and just lack the skill and/or resources (chars + weapons) to execute it moga ONLY has resources due to whaling but he lacks both the theoretical knowledge AND the mechanical skill
Same here, heck I didn't have Zhongli until his second rerun and I was still doing fairly well in the abyss. The only decent shielder I had was Diona and she carried me with both heals and a good shield. Though I suppose it cause I played Honkai and PGR more often, so dodges there are kind of a necessity xD
real accomplishment is beating abyss with teams that are horribly mismatched and do not synergize.. you dont use zhongli but then u use the utterly busted hyperbloom.. i mean come on.
I didn’t have zhongli until 3.0 and I can’t agree more with this. zhongli makes the game a little boring to me since you do less damage and you don’t even have to care about mechanics which is the fun of playing a game
the good thing about Zhongli is that he allows you to brute force a lot of things the bad thing about Zhongli is that he allows you to brute force a lot of things
Imagine how more crazy that bloom team would be if there was a second dendro applier and helaer (like a certain small buny character) instead of Yelan who's litteraly there just for style points 🙃
@@Relevart9169 Well from how many times his nahida died obviously he needed two healer. Also, I don't know if you understand how a nilou bloom team works but the extra blooms he would generate from having a second dendro in the team would way outshine Yelan's damage contribution in this team. Also, about yelan's hydro application, in bloom teams you are better off keeping a dendro aura on the enemy while triggering blooms with hydro to generate two seeds at a time instead of only one, Nilou's ring and kokomi are all the hydro application he needs.
@@wafaay7182 2 healers is just never a good comp no matter how u twist it, not to mention he'd need to switch to yaoyao to put out the bunny and he wasn't even doing that with kokomi's jellyfish let alone 2 at a time
@@wafaay7182 he died despite having two healers That doesn’t mean he needed two healers It means he needed to learn how to use his healer well, he died with nahida DESPITE Kokomis burst being up. The death was literally just cus he was trash at the game lmaoo
@@wafaay7182 He doesn't need two healers. He just needed to use the healer he had, which he wasn't doing very well. At one point when Nahida was getting wrecked and died Kokomi was at full burst just sitting there doing nothing.
Since you're on a Zhongli cleanse I think it'd be a great time bring out Albedo for your Itto team! He can snapshot Gorou's buff and do some really good damage as the third geo slot in that team.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe triple lvl 100 midnight Masanori and you have to talk to all three of them to even start the fight, all on the clock of course.
I will just say, I really did not expect you to struggle THIS much Moga... Not going to lie this almost makes me feel like I'm an actually skilled player now, considering I do not have zhongli and play Abyss Shield-less most of the time... Your friend might've been right, a month without him will do you some good.
this is so painful to watch kokomi and yelan are just chilling there with their burst up while nahida taps the worm xD dude is so stressed he keeps forgetting his characters have ults
Bro is so addicted to Zhongli that he forgot that Bloom damages the active character too. He really took a dendro team with NO healers to a floor with all hydro enemies and really except he won't die instantly
The only thing in your head is damage damage damage instead of thinking about synergy and survivability. Zhongli isn't necessary. Learn to dodge, have a healer for backup. You gotta learn enemy attack patterns. Stop using shields entirely until you can survive normal stuff.
For floor 11 I took Yaoyao into floor 11 instead of my other healers for chamber 2 and 3. Was fun watching the mimics and Hypo make bloom happen for themselves.
“OH MY GOD WHAT ARE THESE DUDES DOING?! I CANT EVEN MOVE!” This. This Moga. You’re so quick to blame the enemies when you’re the one that messed up in the first place. So many flaws in your game play or style or whatever. Genshin Impact is a strategy game, not spam skills and do big damage and hope to win game.
you can knock wenut down with yelans burst pose, so you can save some time without having to charge shot and then do burst animation. it's not much but as someone who beats wenut 1 second on time it's helpful.
@@Relevart9169 i mean it's not terrible, raiden can trigger spread and give him energy, and use her burst every once in a while. there's probably better options but the pure fact that she's electro and can farm energy makes her work relatively well.
Team-building issues aside (why would you neglect to bring a defensive unit in a team which creates dendro cores that can hurt you??), I think if Moga understood the different characters and the enemies' AI a little bit more this mightve been a lot less painful.
I think a big problem aswell not only with you being too uses to having zhongli is that you never learned any attack patterns of enemies or bosses. The hydro hypostasis fight was always like that and you waited to long at the start for your set up, and it got downed again because the hydro slime blew up in its vacinity. I think a video where you learn attack patterns for bosses would be cool, and good for your play overall.
Bro, his inability to make good team comps after all this time is kind of infuriating 😭 if you see the water mobs, just bring cryo units, you won't even get hit.
it's always funny watching him struggle without zhongli as someone who doesn't like using shields. healers > shielders but even then i don't use healers that much either lol
If you’re struggling to beat Abyss without Zhongli, then having him won’t change much. In fact, it’ll just make you perform even worse. I’m honestly glad you’re doing this challenge, because you NEED to stop relying on Zhongli. Hell, I’d even go so far as to say you should make it no shields at all.
I even play on mobile yet I don't struggle like this even without using Zhongli. Guess team building is definitely his main problem here, struggling without using Zhongli in almost any team he plays. It hurts me to not see Albedo in his Itto Team despite having him and chose Noelle instead just because of the shield yet Bennett & C4 Gorou can survive him enough. Another thing is that he probably forgot picking Kazuha then use other DPS or even like Xiangling in this video especially against those Frostarm Lawachurls.
Team building and a tad bit of game knowledge too. 😅 He could've used Raiden National on first half of floor 12 and beat those frost lawachurls so much faster - giving his second team so much more time. I'll give him that Wenut is a big pain in the ass bc it's pattern can be so random, but Magu Kenki can easily be manipulated by aiming your camera to the staircase/wall, forcing him to not teleport everywhere. He really got too much dependent on Zhongli and onga boonga everything atp.
Nahh I used ZL all the time back then and still managed to 36* abyss w/o him. Was on mobile too. Only switched to controller recently. I think the issue here isn't " him being used to using ZL." It's more to lack of knowledge abt enemies mechanics and teams.
@@amnos180188he issue is actually him isn't used to play without john lee on certain teams. It's painful to see nahida soloing wenut when yelan and kokomi have their burst ready. He knows the knowledge but once he cannot use his favorite tools on practice, he's suddenly forgot those knowledges.
@@enesjei when you have ZL, you don't need to learn enemies mechanics because there is no point in dodging. Hence why i said he do not have knowledge of the enemies mechanics nor fully understand the characters skills. If you know, whether you're used to using ZL or not, you will still be able to do it if you know the characters well. Hence why i said it's not really "using ZL too much" issue. It's the lack of understanding the mechanics and the characters. I mean there's nothing wrong in that. You play how you wanna play I guess. If he likes using ZL in his team then go ahead. It's the ppl with superiority issue that is annoying imo. The 'I don't use ZL and I can still beat abyss' brag. Or complaining abt the game is hard when you just do not want to learn the mechanics or characters' skills lol
here’s some abyss teams that don’t rely on zhongli: yelan w/ sunfire jean, miko hyper carry w/ dmc, Alhaitham/miko aggravate/quicken, Alhaitham hyper bloom, hu tao double hydro double pyro, hu tao triple hydro, kaeya melt/reverse melt, ayaka freeze (2 options ayaka w/ mona or ayaka w/ koko). I’ve tested all these teams this abyss and had a lot of fun :))
as a player who doesn't rely on zhongli, this video is painful moga, other shielders exist (diona, thoma, layla) [and healers, you were really making yourself struggle in floor 11 with no healers second half] and also, for your geo team first half, you shouldn't use both noelle and itto. choose one and then throw albedo (or someone else) in for more geo particles. running a dual dps team rarely works well (gorou and bennett heal so you wouldve been fine with just itto gorou bennett albedo) and don't forget to use nahida's skill!!! you got this, hopefully april will be a period of enlightenment for you 🙏🙌
As someone who used to have zhongli and used him on every single domain and abyss run since I got him I feel proud to say that I'm really good at dodging compared to moga
That was one of the most entertaining video on the channel. I'm curious about your thoughts after a month and more relatable content is always welcome.
Knowing you’ll have another abyss rotation without zhongli, here’s some advice, learn enemy attack patterns and learn to use bursts to give yourself i-frames
Yup, seeing his C3 Nahida both struggle and die so much was as painful as that guy who converted his primos to standard fates instead of intertwined fates 💀
After the one month of not using zhongli try not use zhongli too much to get better at dodging again. Also try to build a team that is not center around zhongli with big shield, try using a team without a healer my team hyperbloom only has xq as a healer that doesn't heal that much but It help me get better at dodging
Here's a tip against maguu kenki always Try to hit him and there is a wall in front of you because maguu kenki back dashing not teleporting. So if he tried to back dash he can't because there's a wall behind him.
For the hydro cube, i would recommend taking the heal from the light blue hydro slime as he spits it out to the hydro cube, it heals your active character rather than healing the hydro cube
Well you can only have one half with Zhongli so you still need to dodge sometimes. And Yoimiya is one of the characters that are just annoying to play without a shield.
Even without zhongli, you can still use other units for abyss. Don't forget other shielders exist (diona and layla have the next strongest shields I believe). For the hydro cube, a free team is usually the easiest and if you ever use a bloom type of team, it's basically necessary to have a healer/shielder. Personally, I don't have zhongli but I plan to get him. Even when I get him though, I'm mainly gonna use him for abyss and certain bosses/quests/etc. You shouldn't have to rely on him to do abyss. Not only would you be bad at dodging but there are a lot of enemy mechanics you won't know. Edit: For the hydro cube, it's hard to fight in general b/c of how little down time there is. When it shoots dolphins and has the bubbles around the cube, that's probably the longest time you have.
As a Zhongli main myself and someone who 36* while only playing mobile, I suffer with you, my friend. Though, I am better than you at dodging, which, very painful on mobile, because I do Abyss for my sister who DOES NOT HAVE ZHONGLI. Painful;) Stay strong, Moga, maybe you can show us Zhongli addicts how withdrawal is like^^
Moga.😩 I think its time for you to know that in the hydro hippo boss, at the end, you can just use nahida skill to mark the 3 slimes.... AND THEY WILL INSTANTLY VANISH!!!!!
Hope this doesn't come off as rude, but it's not that Abyss became harder. Rather you don't know how to team build properly and never bothered to try learning the attach patterns of the bosses and how to counter them 😅 With how your characters are built you shouldn't have been having trouble at all with floor 11, but because you didn't know anything about any of the enemies your floor 11 run made it look like you were already on floor 12. Something I like to do with new enemies is put up Zhongli's shield and observe their attack patterns. It doesn't take even 5 minutes for them to run through all of them and afterwards there usually aren't anymore surprises for when I fight them later.
I’m very proud of myself for struggling way less than you even though I am a f2p with only c0 5-stars and also with no zhongli For all first half chambers, raiden national works super well, the second half was my hyperbloom team of Nahida, Yelan, Shinobu and Venti while I used my Yoimiya, Yunjin, Diona Yelan for wenut. 600 primogem gamers
Cryo and even Pyro is a lot better on the second half of Floor 11 for the oceanid animals. I just used Mono Cryo with Ganyu, Shenhe, Diona, and Chongyun. Also for the Wenut, I like using Hyperbloom. I struggled a lot until I started adding Tighnari to my team. It saves so much time not having to run around too much. Also Raiden's E can bring the Wenut down quick too. My team was Raiden, Tighnari, Nahida, and Barbara and I was able to 36* pretty easily. I did have to retry maybe around 3-4 times but it goes much faster with low-cooldown skills. And by the way, I play on mobile so there is more hope for y'all PC and PS4 players.
MOGA!!!!!!!! you seriously need to learn more about team composition because there's TONS of teams in which you don't need zhongli at all, but you really went and tried to use a full geo team without him...... you got almost all characters up to lvl 90, JUST USE YOUR OTHER CHARACTERS!!! still really enjoyed your video and i still come back to watch you every time you upload, keep it up and at least try to use some different characters here and there!!!
@@sjin3475 yeah I know, itto can be quite tanky with the geo shields and all the def, but out of all teams to use in this abyss, he really chose one of the teams in which zhongli specially shines best..... bruh
It's Noelle's Atk, you can't swap two other characters if she is attacking or in the middle of Atk animation including charger Atk. You can dash to avoid.
Bros treating zhongli like a drug 💀
he kinda is 💀
If you watch ANY OF HIS VIDEOS Zhongli is ALWAYS HERE , Zhongli is a drug for him
That’s like being addicted to not using your brain 😭
Bros so hard for zongli than zongli is for osmathis wine 🍷
He kind of is💀
"Why am I struggling on Floor 11" He says after not putting a healer in his team and thinking he'll be all fine and dandy
That's the reason he doesn't know how to build a team because all he knows that wrap the characters with shield and they will be fine.......
Because even when having Kokomi in the team, he kept on dying pointlessly
Also he doesn't know how to use play with other characters
Moga: *has every unit in the game*
Also Moga: *can’t build a team without one crusty old rock man*
CRUSTY?! HE'S GORGEOUS
but yeah you're right he can't build a proper team without him
That crusty old rock man is the one that pulled me to play genshin. ❤
@@lulch212 I meant it more as a pun on “crust” as in the layer of the earth, but…..eh, to each their own, I’m gay, but I don’t think he’s hot at all. Actually none of the men in genshin. They all kinda suck. I’m not here for skinny no-ass-having bishounen pretty boys.
That’s like me with Ayaka and Yoimiya 🥲
bloom team is one hell of a drug
The problem wasn't you not having Zhongli, The problem was you actually forget how to build a team without him.
Easily the most accurate statement to be made regarding Moga's 'struggles' in this abyss despite having every unit in the game at his disposal.
@@baronsionis6855 at Level 90 !!!!!!!!!!
How do you just forget to bring a healer on floor 11? even if you use Zhongli you know to bring a healer for at least one side. Its just artificial struggling.
@@joeyisabsb1 Perfectly said, just artificial struggling
Bro got way too comfortable with 7/8 characters and refuses to play anyone else 😭 it’s always either raiden team or itto team or occasionally bloom team
Fun fact: nahida’s e can one shot all three hydro blobs from the cube at the final phase at once
Ohh i dont have her but i really did wonder why ppl werent doing rhat
sounds risky if you scuff it though.
@@pfortunato78 nah! Just one full sweep of aim and just that's it. I use her all the time against that boss and I can prove it especially when the Hypostasis 2.0 event came back.
@@pfortunato78 i mean u just need to hold E and make a circle . how come it sounds risky =S
@@krGt_ depends on where you are positioned. 1 didn't get hit because it was out of range I guess for me but it sure wasn't a problem or risky lol.
Seeing your Nahida die with Kokomi on the team with her ult completely charged hurts more than anything else in this video
screen dmg
I wouldn't even be suprised if Moga didn't know that Kokomis NAs and CA while in Burst heals the entire team
@@hakipower1 right lol
switching to kokomi would remove his fast dendro application and since he is only using 1 dendro he needs nahida on field most of the time for bloom proc's, and putting kokomi on the field is just a dps loss
@@zapdostanker while you're right, dying is a bigger dps loss
for magu kenki, just be sure you're always in front of him so his back are against the wall so once he teleports to the wall he won't be teleporting anywhere else
That's true for 80% of the time, but Kenki does have an attack in which he dashes forward, followed by an anemo slash, so he can escape that corner but that's kinda rare I guess.
@@protagkun8859 its anything but rare ..if you watch some more guides ..you can see some cc advise you to not push him too close to the wall or moving around him a bit to prevent him from doing it
maguu will always dash to where your camera i facing, and this includes burst animations too.
but the mages will always tp to where your character is looking, and the same rule applies to the whopperflowers.
@@emeraly2721 I suppose I'm speaking only from my experience then, cause for me it's quite rare, and it never mattered if Kenki was against the wall or not, he just dashes forward whenever he feels like it. Most of the time for me when Kenki is against the wall, he'll just do basic attacks or his big plunge.
@Protag Kun how'd you get that percentage?
Moga struggling with keeping Nahida alive when I don't think I saw him once use Kokomi's burst to heal his party
kokomi's burst makes her a walking statue of the seven, its so confusing to see him not take advantage of that lol
bro built 2 half-teams and put them on one side, then got mad that it didnt work out.....perfect showcase of being self-defeating
He also didn't use any healers on floor 11. It wouldn't make for good content if he beats it easily so he has to create more difficulties for a more entertaining video.
@joeyisabsb1 ye I get that....the comment was a joke...im not critically breaking down his run....this is jenshin impak....its never that deep
I think a lot of your issues can be solved just by understanding the enemy's mechanics. Like how to bait the hydro heralds, how to corner the magu kenki, and last but not least understanding the wenut's attack pattern.
Content creators can't be bothered to understand enemies. They will always try to brute force it and complain when they can't do that
Gladly I watch Sevy most of the time for Spiral Abyss run guides.
@@nathho actually it's because they just 1 shot the bosses in the overworld so they never see any of the attacks. So then when it's in the abyss with way more health they actually see more attacks this has happened to me before lol.
@@nathho the way xlice IMMEDIATELY came to mind
Nah hard disagree on the Welnut, even if u can knock it down if stays down for maybe 5-7 seconds, spending most of the time underground is just ugh. Maybe it’s a skill issue but I feel like they should really try keeping bosses that purposely waste time out of the abyss lol
I’m pretty sure nahida alone on floor 11 would’ve been fine .. she can one shot all those blob things at the end with 1 skill you just have to do a full circle basically .. you could’ve probably taken yae and a healer or a different shielded instead of Sara and Tighnari
Sometimes I think Moga forgets the full extent of all his characters and their capabilities, Yae sounds perfect yet she most likely never crossed his mind
Bro went extra hard waifu mode on his own ..let him enjoy it
@@protagkun8859 people really do forget how good Miko is
bro needs a sara cleanse next
It pains me to see Diona and Layla being so forgotten lol Specially Diona because she's such an incredible unit. She's a battery, EM buffer, shielder, healer and ATL buffer with Noblese and Elegy. Please use her more Moga
Her EM does nothing, she's a cryo unit, cryo teams don't use EM
@@Relevart9169 If you have her at C6, her burst gives teammates 200 EM while in it.
@@Shadowcynder1830 ye i know, but u don't use cryo units in dendro teams which are the main ones that want EM
well fridge teams exist at least
@@Relevart9169 he could have essily used her in the hydro mimics floor to freeze them, shield tighnari and guve him an EM boost for more dmg
Wait beating abyss without Zhongli is considered a challenge?
Probably just moga tbh
Lol fr I’ve been playing zhongli less for almost 3 years
its not if youve never had zhongli. but it definitely is if youre used to him
Nope, its not. Healers in this game already over-heal but im assuming this is for content so he is playing it up. The proof is in the fact that he didn't use any healers on floor 11 as if to try to make it seem a lot harder.
he has being in zhongli (genshin crack) for a long time, let's give some leniency lololol
Moga: I have no Hydro!
Also Moga: Hasn't used Kokomi Skill or Yelan or Nilou Burst.
As a Zhongli not-haver and not-wanter, I always laugh seeing people struggle without him. Geo daddy has been really spoiling you
I agree
exactly fellow GEO CeO not haver
Same lol
what charas do you use? @Loif93
I've had him since his first run and use him regularly and even I'm not this reliant on him lmao. Ig it's expected tho since I have an alt that didn't have him for over a year and still doesn't use him for abyss.
I'm a super casual player who knows the meta in theory but doesn't have the skills or time to actually apply it to the abyss- so moga struggling is relatable to me! Of course the part where he has literally every character in the game and five star weapons/constellations isn't relatable.. but hey, that's what I get for watching a content creator. It was a fun video to watch, as usual!
ok but u know the theoretical part and just lack the skill and/or resources (chars + weapons) to execute it
moga ONLY has resources due to whaling but he lacks both the theoretical knowledge AND the mechanical skill
Bro was so desperate for a shield he put noelle in an itto team 🤯 Zhongli really was a drug for him. Noelle was his cali sober drug
He even had Bennett and Gorou C6 who were enough to sustain Itto.
It was painful seeing moga not using yelan'sburst against wenut in his first few tries, but all's well that ends well
And him not reading the game telling him it's only Swirl elements
15:47 "I don't have any hydro dude" oh he's 100% faking it. No one is this clueless; na-uh nope."
@@sittingcrowd912 he meant he didn't have enough hydro to create blooms
@@yurimiracle7768 bro he has 3 hydro units and Yelan had her burst up
@@sittingcrowd912 that's the reason. He had yelan's burst but didn't active it so he said he doesn't have enough hydro
i also love how you're CONSTANTLY calling maguu kenki masanori. this has to be the 3rd or 4th time and it's actually so funny but in a charming way
It seems to me that Moga uses Zhongli as a GIANT crutch even though he really isn’t necessary
In my own experience, once you get used to not using Zhongli, you feel more acomplished. In my opinion, it's a massive sign of progress.
Same here, heck I didn't have Zhongli until his second rerun and I was still doing fairly well in the abyss. The only decent shielder I had was Diona and she carried me with both heals and a good shield. Though I suppose it cause I played Honkai and PGR more often, so dodges there are kind of a necessity xD
real accomplishment is beating abyss with teams that are horribly mismatched and do not synergize.. you dont use zhongli but then u use the utterly busted hyperbloom.. i mean come on.
@@mangshu21 sounds like a recipe for disaster 😭 the point of the game is to draft teams that synergize together
I didn’t have zhongli until 3.0 and I can’t agree more with this. zhongli makes the game a little boring to me since you do less damage and you don’t even have to care about mechanics which is the fun of playing a game
I’ve never had Zhongli ever and I’ve been playing almost since launch (2 months after) but I’m still kinda meh at dodging
the good thing about Zhongli is that he allows you to brute force a lot of things
the bad thing about Zhongli is that he allows you to brute force a lot of things
Finally feeling what anxiety hoyo was talking about 😂😂😂😂
"We don't wanna cause excess anxiety to our player" ...
* insert meme*
Well that was a fuc*ing lie 😂
Imagine how more crazy that bloom team would be if there was a second dendro applier and helaer (like a certain small buny character) instead of Yelan who's litteraly there just for style points 🙃
Why would u run kokomi AND yaoyao lol. Yelan is there for her dmg and good hydro application
@@Relevart9169 Well from how many times his nahida died obviously he needed two healer. Also, I don't know if you understand how a nilou bloom team works but the extra blooms he would generate from having a second dendro in the team would way outshine Yelan's damage contribution in this team.
Also, about yelan's hydro application, in bloom teams you are better off keeping a dendro aura on the enemy while triggering blooms with hydro to generate two seeds at a time instead of only one, Nilou's ring and kokomi are all the hydro application he needs.
@@wafaay7182 2 healers is just never a good comp no matter how u twist it, not to mention he'd need to switch to yaoyao to put out the bunny and he wasn't even doing that with kokomi's jellyfish let alone 2 at a time
@@wafaay7182 he died despite having two healers
That doesn’t mean he needed two healers
It means he needed to learn how to use his healer well, he died with nahida DESPITE Kokomis burst being up. The death was literally just cus he was trash at the game lmaoo
@@wafaay7182 He doesn't need two healers. He just needed to use the healer he had, which he wasn't doing very well. At one point when Nahida was getting wrecked and died Kokomi was at full burst just sitting there doing nothing.
Since you're on a Zhongli cleanse I think it'd be a great time bring out Albedo for your Itto team! He can snapshot Gorou's buff and do some really good damage as the third geo slot in that team.
I was thinking that, he wants a shield so much that forget Albedo is a perfect match with Itto and Gorou.
Masanori will have to make his first appearance in the Spiral Abyss next patch after hearing his name so many times in this video. 🤣
next we have to force him to do a not saying masanori challenge
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me. Maybe triple lvl 100 midnight Masanori and you have to talk to all three of them to even start the fight, all on the clock of course.
@@bjornnilsson2941 nah you have to do the whole quest 3 times on the clock and then they level up to lvl 300 second half of their HP bar
I will just say, I really did not expect you to struggle THIS much Moga...
Not going to lie this almost makes me feel like I'm an actually skilled player now, considering I do not have zhongli and play Abyss Shield-less most of the time...
Your friend might've been right, a month without him will do you some good.
this is so painful to watch
kokomi and yelan are just chilling there with their burst up while nahida taps the worm xD
dude is so stressed he keeps forgetting his characters have ults
It's nice to see Moga finally learning how the game works.
This was extremely painful to watch lol. It's like Moga just forgets everything about how the game works once Zhongli is not there.
I’ve been doing abyss without zhongli since the game launched. Kokomi works just fine
Kokomi is just another zhongli
BASED kokomi on field teams are effectively immortal 😂
@@simonditomasso9868 tbh that’s true lmao
@@ruruisu LITERALLY, I always have her 🥲 cosas sad
I have both and i dont care what other ppl say lol
Love seeing people struggle without shield characters. No idea how you have all units and still struggle though.
Haven't used a shield ever since I was a xinyan main in AR 40
Because they sucks at playing genshin without shield...just like a newbie
Bro is so addicted to Zhongli that he forgot that Bloom damages the active character too. He really took a dendro team with NO healers to a floor with all hydro enemies and really except he won't die instantly
The only thing in your head is damage damage damage instead of thinking about synergy and survivability. Zhongli isn't necessary. Learn to dodge, have a healer for backup. You gotta learn enemy attack patterns. Stop using shields entirely until you can survive normal stuff.
For floor 11 I took Yaoyao into floor 11 instead of my other healers for chamber 2 and 3. Was fun watching the mimics and Hypo make bloom happen for themselves.
Moga for future notice kokomi's e works for wenut. and kokomis e has very high range verticaly(up and down)
“OH MY GOD WHAT ARE THESE DUDES DOING?! I CANT EVEN MOVE!”
This. This Moga. You’re so quick to blame the enemies when you’re the one that messed up in the first place. So many flaws in your game play or style or whatever. Genshin Impact is a strategy game, not spam skills and do big damage and hope to win game.
you can knock wenut down with yelans burst pose, so you can save some time without having to charge shot and then do burst animation. it's not much but as someone who beats wenut 1 second on time it's helpful.
17:30 anemo can't swirl dendro and geo, so those elements won't work on those bubbles
Let me introduce one of the newest 4 stars we have gotten yao yao she is a really goof healer and a decent dendro applyer hope this helps :3
It won't help. His mind is stuck in a pre-dendro meta and his insistence to put Sara of all units in that Raiden Tighnari comp proves it.
@@baronsionis6855 "Raiden Tighnari team" just shouldn't even be said lmao
@@Relevart9169 i mean it's not terrible, raiden can trigger spread and give him energy, and use her burst every once in a while. there's probably better options but the pure fact that she's electro and can farm energy makes her work relatively well.
@@baronsionis6855 exactly I like the Sara representation but omg put her back in the locker if that's the team he constantly chooses lol
see you take zhongli out and suddenly the abyss is a big challenge. it's all in your head I swear 😭😭 good luck for the next abyss run lmao
I feel so bad for Nahida here 😭
Team-building issues aside (why would you neglect to bring a defensive unit in a team which creates dendro cores that can hurt you??), I think if Moga understood the different characters and the enemies' AI a little bit more this mightve been a lot less painful.
I think a big problem aswell not only with you being too uses to having zhongli is that you never learned any attack patterns of enemies or bosses. The hydro hypostasis fight was always like that and you waited to long at the start for your set up, and it got downed again because the hydro slime blew up in its vacinity.
I think a video where you learn attack patterns for bosses would be cool, and good for your play overall.
Bro is struggling with the abyss while having all of the characters
Bro, his inability to make good team comps after all this time is kind of infuriating 😭 if you see the water mobs, just bring cryo units, you won't even get hit.
It's always nice to be reminded that money cant buy ability/skill. Thanks for that.
For real this was a bit painful
Yes Moga
Yao yao is almost a must for Superbloom team
it's always funny watching him struggle without zhongli as someone who doesn't like using shields. healers > shielders but even then i don't use healers that much either lol
If you’re struggling to beat Abyss without Zhongli, then having him won’t change much. In fact, it’ll just make you perform even worse. I’m honestly glad you’re doing this challenge, because you NEED to stop relying on Zhongli. Hell, I’d even go so far as to say you should make it no shields at all.
I even play on mobile yet I don't struggle like this even without using Zhongli. Guess team building is definitely his main problem here, struggling without using Zhongli in almost any team he plays.
It hurts me to not see Albedo in his Itto Team despite having him and chose Noelle instead just because of the shield yet Bennett & C4 Gorou can survive him enough.
Another thing is that he probably forgot picking Kazuha then use other DPS or even like Xiangling in this video especially against those Frostarm Lawachurls.
Team building and a tad bit of game knowledge too. 😅 He could've used Raiden National on first half of floor 12 and beat those frost lawachurls so much faster - giving his second team so much more time. I'll give him that Wenut is a big pain in the ass bc it's pattern can be so random, but Magu Kenki can easily be manipulated by aiming your camera to the staircase/wall, forcing him to not teleport everywhere.
He really got too much dependent on Zhongli and onga boonga everything atp.
Nahh I used ZL all the time back then and still managed to 36* abyss w/o him. Was on mobile too. Only switched to controller recently.
I think the issue here isn't " him being used to using ZL."
It's more to lack of knowledge abt enemies mechanics and teams.
@@amnos180188 exactly
@@amnos180188he issue is actually him isn't used to play without john lee on certain teams. It's painful to see nahida soloing wenut when yelan and kokomi have their burst ready.
He knows the knowledge but once he cannot use his favorite tools on practice, he's suddenly forgot those knowledges.
@@enesjei when you have ZL, you don't need to learn enemies mechanics because there is no point in dodging. Hence why i said he do not have knowledge of the enemies mechanics nor fully understand the characters skills. If you know, whether you're used to using ZL or not, you will still be able to do it if you know the characters well.
Hence why i said it's not really "using ZL too much" issue. It's the lack of understanding the mechanics and the characters.
I mean there's nothing wrong in that. You play how you wanna play I guess. If he likes using ZL in his team then go ahead. It's the ppl with superiority issue that is annoying imo. The 'I don't use ZL and I can still beat abyss' brag. Or complaining abt the game is hard when you just do not want to learn the mechanics or characters' skills lol
Jesus, there's a lot of characters that came out now and still stuck with zhongli??
here’s some abyss teams that don’t rely on zhongli: yelan w/ sunfire jean, miko hyper carry w/ dmc, Alhaitham/miko aggravate/quicken, Alhaitham hyper bloom, hu tao double hydro double pyro, hu tao triple hydro, kaeya melt/reverse melt, ayaka freeze (2 options ayaka w/ mona or ayaka w/ koko). I’ve tested all these teams this abyss and had a lot of fun :))
as a player who doesn't rely on zhongli, this video is painful
moga, other shielders exist (diona, thoma, layla) [and healers, you were really making yourself struggle in floor 11 with no healers second half]
and also, for your geo team first half, you shouldn't use both noelle and itto. choose one and then throw albedo (or someone else) in for more geo particles. running a dual dps team rarely works well (gorou and bennett heal so you wouldve been fine with just itto gorou bennett albedo)
and don't forget to use nahida's skill!!! you got this, hopefully april will be a period of enlightenment for you 🙏🙌
i love how you just keep retrying floor 11 instead of changing the team
FUN FACT!!: healers exist in the game and you can use them in your team! still need to learn how to dodge tho
As someone who used to have zhongli and used him on every single domain and abyss run since I got him I feel proud to say that I'm really good at dodging compared to moga
That was one of the most entertaining video on the channel. I'm curious about your thoughts after a month and more relatable content is always welcome.
tbh i expected moga to be better at the game considering how much time and money hes spent on it💀
Nahida died so much to the point that hoyo will prob give you a 5 upgrade HP artifact
Knowing you’ll have another abyss rotation without zhongli, here’s some advice, learn enemy attack patterns and learn to use bursts to give yourself i-frames
Not only does he not know how to dodge, he also does not pay attention to the HP bar of characters XD
bros unironically trying to swirl dendro
"I do damage when he's not down. I dont get it" i think its because you only use yelan's burst when that boss is flying😬
I had Zhongli since 2022, and I still dodge attacks when his shield is up because I’m just so use to dodging a lot…😅
"The rolling bullbeep/beepholes" oh my god i love this beep and i do not even care where it is placed but i love it
Zhongli doesn't just stop incoming damage, he also stops Moga from losing his mind
Seeing C3 Nahida died multiple times (although having kokomi in the parties at fl12) is enough to make me cry 😢
Yup, seeing his C3 Nahida both struggle and die so much was as painful as that guy who converted his primos to standard fates instead of intertwined fates 💀
Can you just stop complaining about everything, it's literally your skill issue problem. Your characters all are very strong already
These types of videos always take away my motivation to do abyss😁
been playing since venti 1st rerun and never beat floor 12 bruh
Just build a rational team and a nahida hyperbloom team.
@@loungeshit i clear abyss pretty often but i cant get 9 stars on the 12th floor im missing a star on each chamber 😢
@@loungeshit do you want to?
Dw, he has skill issue. Team bulding that all u need tbh. Bloom teams, freeze team, national, double hydro team are always work in any abyss
I don't know why it oddly feels satisfying for the people who rely on zhongli so much getting beaten up without his shield 😅
After the one month of not using zhongli try not use zhongli too much to get better at dodging again. Also try to build a team that is not center around zhongli with big shield, try using a team without a healer my team hyperbloom only has xq as a healer that doesn't heal that much but It help me get better at dodging
You can scan every hypostasis slime with nahida
you use zhongli because his shield is strong. i use zhongli because i am madly in love with him. we are not the same.
And i used zhongli becoz his son came to me for some reason ..i just wanted a tankfei
I use Zhongli mainly because of his meteor animation (I even crowned his burst)
Moga…. its no zhongli challenge… you can use healers…. wheres bennet jean kokomi
Here's a tip against maguu kenki always Try to hit him and there is a wall in front of you because maguu kenki back dashing not teleporting. So if he tried to back dash he can't because there's a wall behind him.
he is trying to... swirl... dendro... on the wenut? ☠️
Moga: It's okay, we don't need ZhongLi, we don't use ZhongLi.
Diona and other shielders: 👁👄👁
Bro has all the 5* stars in the game and still struggling 😭
The audible sound of you smashing the 2 key was hella relatable as a former noelle main lmao
On this episode of “Moga Forgets Healers exist”
ignoring the fact that he cannot play without zhongli, WHY DOES HE KEEP USING TIGHNARI W SARA OH MY FUCKING GOD
Asa non zhongli haver, investments on your healers is a must 👍
For the hydro cube, i would recommend taking the heal from the light blue hydro slime as he spits it out to the hydro cube, it heals your active character rather than healing the hydro cube
i want zhongli for my yoimiya, but im worried my dodging skills will become non existent lmao
Well you can only have one half with Zhongli so you still need to dodge sometimes. And Yoimiya is one of the characters that are just annoying to play without a shield.
dont so that tro yourself..just get zhongli or use tankfei
If you don't use him in every team you make and only for Yoimiya in Abyss, nothing should happen
He isnt the only shielder ..dont feel bad for using shield characters ..enjoy the game how you want it
i use diona, and shes fine. especially at c6 you get a em boost and you have heals plus some melts.
How painful to watch should this be?
Moga: yes
Bro u could've just used a freeze team and you could've avoided all of that shit in floor 11
Even without zhongli, you can still use other units for abyss. Don't forget other shielders exist (diona and layla have the next strongest shields I believe). For the hydro cube, a free team is usually the easiest and if you ever use a bloom type of team, it's basically necessary to have a healer/shielder. Personally, I don't have zhongli but I plan to get him. Even when I get him though, I'm mainly gonna use him for abyss and certain bosses/quests/etc. You shouldn't have to rely on him to do abyss. Not only would you be bad at dodging but there are a lot of enemy mechanics you won't know.
Edit: For the hydro cube, it's hard to fight in general b/c of how little down time there is. When it shoots dolphins and has the bubbles around the cube, that's probably the longest time you have.
As a Zhongli main myself and someone who 36* while only playing mobile, I suffer with you, my friend. Though, I am better than you at dodging, which, very painful on mobile, because I do Abyss for my sister who DOES NOT HAVE ZHONGLI. Painful;)
Stay strong, Moga, maybe you can show us Zhongli addicts how withdrawal is like^^
Abyss on mobile… I forgot about that 😢
Our boi crutchin so hard on ZL he forgor how to build teams
Poor Moga. I feel sorry for the guy, seeing how much he's struggling. All because he "hAs" to go without using Zhongli for a while. SMH
Moga.😩 I think its time for you to know that in the hydro hippo boss, at the end, you can just use nahida skill to mark the 3 slimes.... AND THEY WILL INSTANTLY VANISH!!!!!
he just tried to infuse dendro with anemo while fighting the wenut
Hope this doesn't come off as rude, but it's not that Abyss became harder. Rather you don't know how to team build properly and never bothered to try learning the attach patterns of the bosses and how to counter them 😅 With how your characters are built you shouldn't have been having trouble at all with floor 11, but because you didn't know anything about any of the enemies your floor 11 run made it look like you were already on floor 12.
Something I like to do with new enemies is put up Zhongli's shield and observe their attack patterns. It doesn't take even 5 minutes for them to run through all of them and afterwards there usually aren't anymore surprises for when I fight them later.
I think he's forgot how to build a sustainable team without zhongli 💀
I recommend using those other...what +30 characters 😅
I’m very proud of myself for struggling way less than you even though I am a f2p with only c0 5-stars and also with no zhongli
For all first half chambers, raiden national works super well, the second half was my hyperbloom team of Nahida, Yelan, Shinobu and Venti while I used my Yoimiya, Yunjin, Diona Yelan for wenut.
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just a heads up, Nahida's ult is useless unless you use her E lmao
also Nahida's hold E one shots all of the hydro hypostasis blobs
Actually, it can be used for EM SHARING (A1 PASSIVE)
Not useless, remember it buffs the active Character's EM. But yea, the majority of the use comes out of it if you use nahida's skill
You can still use Nahida's Burst tho but mainly for I-Frame
Cryo and even Pyro is a lot better on the second half of Floor 11 for the oceanid animals. I just used Mono Cryo with Ganyu, Shenhe, Diona, and Chongyun. Also for the Wenut, I like using Hyperbloom. I struggled a lot until I started adding Tighnari to my team. It saves so much time not having to run around too much. Also Raiden's E can bring the Wenut down quick too. My team was Raiden, Tighnari, Nahida, and Barbara and I was able to 36* pretty easily. I did have to retry maybe around 3-4 times but it goes much faster with low-cooldown skills. And by the way, I play on mobile so there is more hope for y'all PC and PS4 players.
MOGA!!!!!!!! you seriously need to learn more about team composition because there's TONS of teams in which you don't need zhongli at all, but you really went and tried to use a full geo team without him...... you got almost all characters up to lvl 90, JUST USE YOUR OTHER CHARACTERS!!!
still really enjoyed your video and i still come back to watch you every time you upload, keep it up and at least try to use some different characters here and there!!!
itto doesn't really need zhongli though. he tanks either way with a gorou in the team
@@sjin3475 yeah I know, itto can be quite tanky with the geo shields and all the def, but out of all teams to use in this abyss, he really chose one of the teams in which zhongli specially shines best..... bruh
It's Noelle's Atk, you can't swap two other characters if she is attacking or in the middle of Atk animation including charger Atk. You can dash to avoid.